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Wiki / Re: What happened to the wiki?
« on: 03 May, 2013, 02:28:40 pm »
Last I knew, the thing that killed the wiki was both lack of time, and the apparent lack of legality concerns up front, as noted in http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,28096.0.html. I had access to it once, no idea why I was stripped of the access.

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Wiki / Theming: Multiple (values) per (field)
« on: 31 March, 2010, 06:16:16 pm »
I've been working on the Prog and Megazine templates to get rid of a bunch of extra whitespace that was making the page look a bit 'tarded. That's been done, so now I'm working on other small improvements. The one I'm currently addressing is simply: the display of multiple values (say, Characters) for a particular field (say, Cover Characters).

It appears most of the CSS for the site was put in the custom theme, and I don't have access to modify MediaWiki:Common.css. Because the infoboxes are floated divs, when there are multiple values for one entry, they munge up and look a bit silly. For example, see:

  http://wiki.2000adonline.com/index.php/Judge_Whitey

As an example of what I'm seeing as the solution, take a look at:

  http://wiki.2000adonline.com/index.php/Prog_1

Note that each of the Cover Characters are on the first line. To rig this up, I've a) manually spit the first character, if it exists (_1), and b) started the loop at 2, adding a break before each entry:

  http://wiki.2000adonline.com/index.php?title=Template%3AProg&diff=10521&oldid=10520

This particular change would effect every loop in our major templates, so I wanted to confirm with anyone onlooking if they had any alternate suggestions. I've attempted to do the same thing with commas (and it didn't come out well). The downsides to this particular approach are a) this should probably be done with a clear:left in the CSS, not a break, and b) if a particular story has tons of characters or other elements, it could make the infobox pretty long.

Thoughts?

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Wiki / Re: Copyright of text: CC, GDL, None?
« on: 31 March, 2010, 02:22:10 pm »
To further clarify.

* Obviously, characters, names, content, IP, images, all belongs to Rebellion. No question.
* Clearly, a wiki like this is intended to be reference material.

Here's a literal example. I'm an indexer over at the Grand Comics Database, where I indexed the first 25 issues of 2000 AD. Here's the index for issue 2: http://www.comics.org/issue/163903/. You'll note that I've added the characters to each thrill (and/or character status, like "death"), as well as a short synopsis (for that *part*). I even went so far as to notate the Nerve Centre and even advertisements (see http://www.comics.org/issue/163905/).

Under a CC/GDL license, the compilation of all this data - the effort involved to create said reference - becomes freely available. The fact that I collated "Bill Savage; Peter Silk; Brigadier Bentley Pearson; Blossom (death)" becomes reusable by anyone else. Every particular version of a thrill's synopsis, from my first version ("As Savage is shown around the secret base of the Official British Resistance, he discovers a traitor in their midst who then takes the Brigadier hostage."), to the inevitable "final" version (edited by the frothing masses of wiki users) are freely available to use and republish.

*That's* the sort of effort and content I want freely available under the CC or GDL licenses. Most everyone who uses wikis can make the distinction between "your" IP and "our" IP. I want nothing less than to protect both our interests.

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Wiki / Re: Copyright of text: CC, GDL, None?
« on: 31 March, 2010, 02:08:18 pm »
What you're effectively asking is can you use the material you'll ultimately find about the place on your wiki and make money from the advertising.

Actually, that's the least of my concerns. Knowing if it's CC or GDL ensures that the /effort/ I put forth /isn't going to waste/: my effort becomes freely available for everyone to use, assuming they follow the same infectious restrictions. I have no intention of doing my own wiki (or working on the Wikia one) if Rebellion is putting out an official one. If Rebellion's official one didn't exist, the only reason I would put out my own (versus using Wikia's) would be to ensure that my /effort/ was /"rewarded"/, via the meagre dollars associated with Google Ads (or similar). But, truthfully, I make plenty of money a year and don't need an extra 50 to 100 USD of income a month. It's chump change. (And, yes, that's the literal figure, as I run a few other wikis already.)

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There are no legals on the wiki at present because it's not 'official' yet ... However, there will be once it goes live and will likely be under one of Rebellion's own personal licences.

That's the death knell I wasn't hoping for, unfortunately. Stops me from contributing to the wiki.

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Wiki / Re: Copyright of text: CC, GDL, None?
« on: 29 March, 2010, 02:06:40 pm »
So, should be a slam dunk to get it under a CC/GDL license, then? ;)

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Wiki / Re: Copyright of text: CC, GDL, None?
« on: 29 March, 2010, 01:17:33 pm »
Thanks much - PM'd. My understanding, IANAL-wise, is that a) all images retain the copyright holders, b) quotes/snippets, etc. are considered "fair use", c) the collection/presentation/organization of images, quotes/snippets, and created content (i.e., user contributions) would be CC/GDL'd. I believe that's how other wikis have treated such a thing. Note, however, that I'm American, so the terms/beliefs above are decided slanted to this side of the pond's understanding of things.

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Wiki / Copyright of text: CC, GDL, None?
« on: 28 March, 2010, 09:37:29 pm »
G'day. Long ago, I received ownership of 2000ad.wikia.com, originally renamed from judgedredd.wikia.com (which has since been recreated and reabandoned, it appears). Since that time, I had set up a draft wiki on a localhost to test out my own non-Wikia approach to the topic (since, I figured, if I were going to spend all that time on it, I'd want to earn money from my own ads, and not Wikia's). Generally, I'm not that fond of many of Wikia's approaches either (mass changed that often screw up wikis, etc., etc.). I set up a bunch of templates for it (similar to yours), and began adding obsessive amounts of detail. This info was never published online: I just hadn't gotten around to it.

After doing a random search today on a 2000 AD topic, I noticed that an official wiki has been setup. What I haven't been able to find, however, is copyright policy: most wikis nowadays are GDL or Creative Commons - i.e., the text is "freely" available, with infectious restrictions. I see no such indication on the official wiki, however. What license, if any, are contributions to the wiki published under? If it's not a GDL or CC license, I'm afraid that'll silence me harshly.

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Website and Forum / Re: 2000 AD Online
« on: 08 August, 2008, 12:24:52 am »
Oh god, please bring back all the historical information about each issue. I've been using that data to obsessively catalog my own collection with the artists behind each thrill, etc. That was the most important feature, for me, of the old site. I'd hate to see it go. Puh-wease.

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