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Film & TV / Re: The Trailer Thread
« on: 23 May, 2019, 07:14:21 pm »
I assume if he was really interested in more Terminator he'd be making it himself and not 4 Avatars but JC does have a story credit ... with 4 other writers.

As usual the trailer's probably not selling the film that it actually is, but even so, for me this franchise hasn't had anywhere else to go since 1984. Everything since has been a remake.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 22 May, 2019, 07:51:31 pm »
Each to their own. Personally I found it quite jarring that we go from surveying the wreckage of Hiroshima to lightheartedly joking about brothels so quickly. I think the ending overall was very cynical and bleak, given the context,  though as I mentioned before I did like where Jon's story ended up.

It was the most human response: We still have to get on with the mundanity of running this place, feeding and wiping people's arses, but let's still have a sense of humour amongst ourselves. If anything it underlined what the show has been saying all along, that monarchies/statecraft is for mugs and you'll probably end up getting the shit-end of the stick, and then the shaft.

I find it hard not to be amused at the Iron Throne being replaced by a wooden wheel-chair: Bran the cripple leaves the heavy lifting of running Knots Landing to Tyrion the dwarf –a role he'd probably never be elected for– which I suppose is positive progression of some sort.

Jon and Arya seemed to get the best deal out of everyone. They at least looked happy.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 22 May, 2019, 01:04:59 am »
and some Marvel sequel expanding hinting style ending. Who couldn't be happy with that?

Can't wait for all those spin offs now. The Adventures of Arya et al.

Maybe it's a symptom of modern viewing but I've never interpreted the many stories that conclude with characters splitting-up/moving-on from their past and homeland to mean 'MCU style spin-off'. It's a legitimate resolution for a young assassin who's simply outgrown where she's from.

Besides, that spin-off isn't apparently planned.

The three successor shows are all prequels. In the finale, Arya goes on to explore what's west of Westeros. Have you considered exploring sequels? Specifically, Arya Stark as she travels west of Westeros?

Nope, nope, nope. No. Part of it is, I do want this show — this Game of Thrones, Dan and David's show — to be its own thing. I don't want to take characters from this world that they did beautifully and put them off into another world with someone else creating it. I want to let it be the artistic piece they've got. That's one of reasons why I'm not trying to do the same show over. George has massive, massive world; there are so many ways in. That's why we're trying to do things that feel distinct — and to not try and re-do the same show. That's probably one of the reasons why, right now, a sequel or picking up any of the other characters doesn't make sense for us.


News / Re: Rebellion Sets Up $100 Million U.K. Film and TV Studio
« on: 19 May, 2019, 04:01:20 pm »
A Welsh epic.

Prog / Re: Prog 2131 - The Ape of Good Hope
« on: 19 May, 2019, 03:38:48 pm »

I'd like to see Henry Flint get a signature strip that's all his own. It's been a long time since Shakara.

Although anything that takes him away from doing as much JD as possible is a toughie as he's stamped his boots all over that.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 16 May, 2019, 11:08:05 pm »
I read that 18.4 million watched the last episode through official platforms.

That would probably only account for the US audience. GoT is available in 170 countries.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 14 May, 2019, 09:14:13 pm »
I enjoyed the episode immensely and the cinders of Randyll and Dickon Tarly say 'told ya so'.

Books & Comics / Re: The Al Ewing USA loan thread
« on: 13 May, 2019, 12:09:48 am »

Jock and Al need to team-up so Marvel can have Jock Ewing emblazoned on their covers.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 09 May, 2019, 05:29:02 pm »
It was entirely *in* character for Season 1 or 2 drunk Tyrion, and emphasising those elements reinforces the divisions that are happening amongst the good guys, especially wrt Varis, who would have had no love for the old Tyrion. He's still the imp, and he's regressing into the alcoholic he was before leaving King's Landing.

There's a ton of stuff to dislike about the most recent episode, but I can't get behind this criticism.

And that division is something which the Varis and Tyrion scene achieves very well, without drunken Tyrion from season 1 or 2.

The Tyrion line to Brienne was written purely as motivation to move Brienne and Jamie to a situation where they could consummate an aspect of their relationship that never seemed to exist in the first place. That was cheap, and in the broader context did none of the characters any favours.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 09 May, 2019, 02:25:12 am »
The one thing that really didn't work for me was Jaime deciding to go back to Cersei, but on reflection there's ambiguity as to whether it's actually to support or kill her - he could be implying all the bad shit he's done was for or because of his relationship with her. He doesn't explicitly say which it is and there'd be a certain symmetry in him being King Slayer and a Queen Slayer.

With added ambiguity, the decision by Jamie to go back to Cersei was still on-point and in accordance with the growth of his character – as a knight he'd kept his word to defend the North and when the job was done he went back to Kings Landing.

I think it's more what they did to Brienne and Tyrion to get him there – which wasn't needed since seeing Bran again was the captsone on his realising the consequences of his actions and the need to atone (and possibly kill Cersei).

What was always more of a platonic relationship of mutual admiration – I'm glad someone like you exists in this world – that culminated in Jamie knighting Brienne, was suddenly turned into a bizarre episode provoked by an out-of-character line from Tyrion that results in both Jamie and Brienne responding with I'll show you virgin! – as if they ever need to prove anything of the sort to Tyrion or themselves.

I like friendly, drunken banter between characters, but that is just odd. Even a drunken shag with Tormund while Jamie slips off at dawn would've played better.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 02 May, 2019, 01:50:34 pm »
Considering there had been fewer complaints with seeing things at night in previous episodes in the show's dark ligthing scheme, the decision to emulate the naturalness of the Barry Lyndon aesthetic and mimic the effect of shooting only with available light in a pitch black battle full of smoke and snow means it was going to be hard to see even without the degradation of streaming compression. Going underlit was a design choice. They didn't want us to see everything.

“The showrunners decided that this had to be a dark episode,” says Wagner. “We’d seen so many battle scenes over the years – to make it truly impactful and to care for the characters, you have to find a unique way of portraying the story.”

Wagner says that the majority of the darkness in the episode is thanks to the night-time shoot, with the rest of the atmosphere produced on-set through lighting choices. “Another look would have been wrong,” he says. “Everything we wanted people to see is there.”


4k HDR would improve it.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 01 May, 2019, 01:23:20 am »
the details will be made clear by the end of the (book) series.

Looks like we'll never know.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 01 May, 2019, 01:01:59 am »
Is Winter still coming?  I thought it was supposed to be tied up with the Night King and/or the wall (admittedly the wall is mostly still in place, but at least some of it is now gone).

The climate is unpredictable in Westeros: Summer lasted 9 years and the next Winter could last just as long. It's never really declared that the Night King is the cause of the Winter, only that he uses it.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series [SPOILERS]
« on: 01 May, 2019, 12:49:54 am »
He was never a crow. He was created before the Night's Watch was IIRC.

You're right I'm thinking of the Night's King.

Film & TV / Re: Game of Thrones: the last series
« on: 30 April, 2019, 11:50:37 pm »
My reading of 'Game of Thrones' has always been in the description- a frivolous game played by narcissistic mortals, but ultimately irrelevant to the millennia old threat beyond the wall, now making it's play (backed up by the onset of a severe ice-age).
That has been the underlying narrative, as the viewer was made aware in the first few minutes of the first scene almost 10 years ago.

That threat was summarily negated in this episode, over the course of mere hours, with relatively little cost to mankind (or the main cast) and with a completely unsatisfying one-punch kill.

Whats next for A Song of Curry and Rice?
Our heroes take on Cersei and Pop-Up Pirate (who joined the cast 20 minutes ago) then have a final kerfuffle among themselves over who gets to sit on the melted swords?

I think the bigger point of that futility still stands and has not been negated – Winter is still coming. The only thing that's gone is the self-appointed embodiment of it – who used to be a Crow and declared himself King. As another narcissitic long-time player he's been wiped off the board, but no matter what, Winter cannot be beaten and it's still coming to King's Landing. I'm still not sure that Night King story is fully over but there's the possibility that no-one gets out alive, and even if they do, there won't be much to rule over when it's finished.

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