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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 07 June, 2019, 06:35:24 pm »

The History of the Stocking is better. Trust me on this.


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Part of the ongoing consolidation of the internet datascape.


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Off Topic / Re: RIPs
« on: 06 June, 2019, 08:35:58 am »

Kerr Holmes - now he would be a character!


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 06 June, 2019, 07:51:21 am »

No you don't, you only think you do.


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 06 June, 2019, 06:55:14 am »



Any suggestions on subjects?


How about a nice, easy one to start with: "Does God exist?"


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 05 June, 2019, 09:14:38 pm »
Sweet feckin Jesus, would ye ever just turn off your computers and go outside?

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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 05 June, 2019, 07:08:01 pm »

When I found out about debating societies I felt hugely let down that they didn't have one at my school. A grasp of, and practice in, proper debating might have proved hugely useful in my life, especially the most recent decade or two of it. (As a man with a great many axes to grind, I have only recently begun to explore the correct operation of the grinder.)

I do enjoy a good argument (not a slanging match - those are just tiresome), the way it stimulates and challenges the little grey cell can be quite exilerating. I sometimes hear a comedy program on Radio 4, I forget what it's called, where humorous debates are held under the title, "this house believes that..." The subject can be anything and they have an impartial chair and votes at the end and everything. I'd love to be able to participate in something like that.

Maybe we should have a go? Pick a subject, serious or silly, two debators and a chair. Start with opening statements, then cross questioning, then chair and audience questions, closing statements and a vote or/and general comments. No rancour, no name-calling, no expectations - just good natured and civilised debate.

I commend this notion to the House!


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 05 June, 2019, 06:33:45 pm »
Thanks, Tordels. It was of genuine concern to me that I'd upset you with that meme. I'm relieved to find out I'd misread the situation as I deeply appreciate our association here and would not wish to jeopardise it. You have been, and always shall be, a Gent.

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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 05 June, 2019, 12:46:54 pm »
Quote
In the spirit of personal responsibility,
forgiveness and commitment to positive future
 behaviour,both the target and the offender
 express their acceptance of the proposed
 solution/s and discuss what can be done to
 prevent a recurrence.

I'm always harping on about personal responsibility, so here goes...

I believe I was wrong and that my actions have caused a rift between Tordelback and myself. This may be a misperception but, just in case it isn't, here's where I think I went wrong: Tordels paid me a compliment and I responded with a joke (to-whit, a silly Futurama meme) instead of an appreciation of the compliment (which I should have expressed).

My posts are often too long, too condescending and too complicated. Instead of simplifying, I overcompensate - often dropping in what I intend as jokes and quips in inappropriate places. This has alienated me from many other members.

To remedy my actions, I propose to be more mindful of all the members of this forum with whom I interact, and to listen to any suggestions you may have

And if all else fails, here comes the obligatory lame joke, you can always just look at me as The Legendary Partridge.



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Off Topic / Re: RIPs
« on: 05 June, 2019, 06:31:29 am »

Well said, Tordels, he was the true star of the show and that Last Scene will live with me forever.


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 04 June, 2019, 11:23:38 pm »
Is this the right room for an argument?

I told you once...



In my book, that’s a weaselly way of saying “yes”.
 

I take it back - change! :D


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 04 June, 2019, 08:13:46 pm »

We've butted heads on this forum often enough, Jim, and you can come across as aggressive but I'm content to accept that you don't mean to. In any case, I wouldn't criticise you for it as I'm reliably informed that my own style can seem arrogant/condescending/disrespectful (pick one or all of the above) - even though I don't intend to come across that way.

I enjoy our discussions so don't ever change - I know I won't!


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 04 June, 2019, 04:26:24 pm »

True, but that doesn't mean we all have to go along with it.


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 04 June, 2019, 02:41:19 pm »

Only on alternate Fridays when there's a 'k' in the month.


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Off Topic / Re: Basic Argumentation, And The Causing Of Offence
« on: 04 June, 2019, 12:58:29 pm »
I find it helpful (in all aspects of life) to try and remember the Trivium method of Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric.

Step 1, Grammar.
Ensure an understanding of definitions, context, conclusions, assumptions etc. In the physical world, this step can be compared to reading and understanding the instructions contained with flat-pack furniture - knowing what Dowel C or Bracket F refers to.

Step 2, Logic.
Extrapolate meaning and reconcile contradictions. In the example, matching all the pieces and parts in the instructions with the physical parts of the flat-pack to ensure it all makes sense; are the instructions correct for the item to be built and are all the parts present and correctly identified.

Step 3, Rhetoric.
Construct and present a valid response. Putting all the parts together in the correct configuration to end up with a sturdy new bookcase.

Do I always go through this process properly? No, unfortunately - which can result in a wobbly bookcase.

When it comes to arguments, I find the biggest problem to be emotion. For example, if someone says to me, "the Earth is flat because A+B=C," my immediate reaction is an emotional one - something along the lines of, "oh f*ck off, you bloody idiot," which is not helpful. The best response is to put the emotion aside, understand what A+B=C actually means, construct a logical response and then put that response into words. Unfortunately, this in itself often leads to an emotional response - at which time it's probably time to walk away as emotional arguments cannot be defeated by logical arguments. Whilst emotion is important to inform our arguments, it cannot be relied upon to carry them.


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