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Author Topic: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??  (Read 1731 times)

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #15 on: 17 February, 2019, 06:08:23 am »
That was a great listen. Don't necessarily agree with everything said - but then that's half the fun. The Eisner comparison is pretty shallow at this stage and its something that's better served later in the series. I also think they sometimes over look at things in a way that if you say enough things will stick BUT they are clearly knowledgable and thoughtful and definately hit more than they miss.

Great stuff and I'm really looking forward to how this will develop. Once a month may feel like a long wait since we're been treated so well by Conrad and Fox but well worth it.

Pretty much agree with everything said by Colin. Subscribed to the pod. A brilliant companion to Space Spinner - a Yang to Conrad and Fox's Yin.

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #16 on: 22 March, 2019, 07:49:10 am »
Just started to listen to the latest one that came out earlier in the week and its already a very interesting listen. I'd forgotten it was about so thought I'd just revive this thread to remind folks who might have missed it - like I was close to doing.

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #17 on: 23 March, 2019, 02:59:20 pm »
(well as long as you don't take it too far and forget folks are there to listen about comics and related stuff and not middle aged men belly aching as some podcasts seem to forget!)

Everything comes back to that.

I used to love that podcast; though it gradually became a bit of an anti-liberal rant.
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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #18 on: 23 March, 2019, 03:09:14 pm »
Yeah, ECBT2K started OK - when it was Richard and Steve (I think?) and you had more of a counter balance between the two, a but once Richard became a bunch of other people who thought like Steve, it became pretty depressing and mired in sniping - and i say that as someone who says what he thinks about modern stuff! Havent listened to it in ages, outside of possibly some of the Pat Mills interviews, so maybe it isn's such a downer these days.


(well as long as you don't take it too far and forget folks are there to listen about comics and related stuff and not middle aged men belly aching as some podcasts seem to forget!)

Everything comes back to that.

I used to love that podcast; though it gradually became a bit of an anti-liberal rant.

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #19 on: 23 March, 2019, 03:15:44 pm »
Aye, Rich and Flint worked well as a double act.  But later on if you'd taken a shot for every time "cheesecake" was mentioned you'd end up in detox.

(Edit: I don't really have a problem with either type of cheesecake)
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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #20 on: 25 March, 2019, 08:28:08 am »
Not finished this yet, in fact only half way through, so should probably finish before commenting... if I don't do this now though I'll lose sight of what I want to say and never get around to it, and I want to say its fascinating and at times infuriating.

Now to be far worth saying I adore 'Cursed Earth'. It came out when I was 6 and along with Flesh probably helped shape my view of what good entertainment is. I remember it feeling so special and important at that time. So when folks find a way to pick out faults with something so fundamental to my mindset my heckles naturally raise, powered by nostaglia. That said in hyper-analysing the tale Jeff and Graeme often seem to lose sight of what the story is. that being a wonderfully crafted action adventure for 6-12 years old created the 70s. A couple of examples of this really stood out to me this time.

First they are right in saying that the story isn't really a single story, but a premise on which to hang together a series of fantastic smaller tales into one whole. That said it does have a very effective spine that I think it works really well, in a way the Luna City stories doesn't. Luna One isn't a story from which to hang those smaller tales on its a scene shift it is just the premise. The overarching narrative of Cursed Earth remains consistantly there even if as secondary to the stories within.

What I think they miss is that the story is told and the ending is fantastic. They suggest that they story is the fight to cure Mega City 2 and that aspect is lost at the end. For me that was never the case. The idea of the disease ravaging MC1s twin city isn't the point, that's just an excuse to craft the story, which is the journey. The continue struggle to get there. not what happens when they get there which is utterly secondary. The Mega City 2 stuff is just the thing that thrown to 6 - 12 year olds to allow them to suspend belief to allow themselves to get pulled into that journey. It doesn't have to watertight as it just needs to sate the appetite of that specific audience and therefore 'The Legion of the Damned' and the final episode struggle from Dredd himself are just perfect. The struggle against 2-T-Fru-T (spelling?) isn't needed and isn't the point and would drag the ending away from the point of the story, the journey.

Another example is Spikes, they comment on the fact that he's just not a punk, he's the 'Emerson Lake and Palmer' fan's vision of such and of course he isn't. He's the 6-12 year old 2000ad fans vision of a punk. That is the scary, ununderstandable other as portrayed my the media and Mums of the time. A terrfiying rebel who can't be trusted and again as such perfect for the story as told in its context.

Likewise they do Tweak a massive disservice. Sure he's there to allow the tale of slavery to stand in the story and he works well for that. But he's also a cool anteater super-guy to emphasis man's humanity to anteater super-guys and ultimately man to entertain and thrill 6-12 year old boys. He may be bland in hindsight but he was so cool at the time and so in my eyes, clouded by nostaglia tinted spectacales, he remains so.

Now of course its great fun and I certainly do it a lot, to review these kids stories through a contempory lens and our modern sensibilities and a good story written for 6-12 years old should and can stand up to heavy scrutiny if its done well. In doing that however its important to remember the context and audience that story was crafted in and for me Cursed Earth passes that test really well and some of the questions the podcast raises seem to drift from that.

All that said the fact I have so much to say about the Podcast just goes to show what a great job they are doing in casting their clearly intelligent eye over the story and making me react in my defensive unnecessary way...

... but there had to say it.

Have to also so I'm really looking forward to listening to the second half.

Great, if infuriating, job!

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #21 on: 25 March, 2019, 01:09:44 pm »
I'm inclined to agree with everything you just said!
In defence of Jeff and Graeme, have a read of their own blog entry about the episode, in which Graeme admits that he's being way too curmudgeonly in his hate for Tweak...
http://www.waitwhatpodcast.com/drokk-ep-2-im-a-cheap-punk/

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Re: Drokk!! - a rival to SpaceSpinner 2000??
« Reply #22 on: 25 March, 2019, 06:46:48 pm »
In defence of Jeff and Graeme, have a read of their own blog entry about the episode, in which Graeme admits that he's being way too curmudgeonly in his hate for Tweak...

I refuse to believe it's possible to hate any character based on a tamandua. Tamanduas are brilliant.