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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16815 on: 19 February, 2020, 06:52:12 pm »
Siri: zeige mir schadenfreude.

Wunderbar! (Auch ein tragisches spiegelbild der idiotie des menschen.)
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16816 on: 19 February, 2020, 07:19:42 pm »
I thought the jew-hating painter was going to turn out to be Hitler until the bit about running for president...

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« Reply #16817 on: 19 February, 2020, 07:26:59 pm »
I thought the jew-hating painter was going to turn out to be Hitler until the bit about running for president...

Hitler's paintings, though fairly dull, were pretty decent.

Here's one of the other lad's.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16818 on: 19 February, 2020, 07:53:53 pm »

That's sad, JBC.

I just deleted my two penn'orth because... Well, it doesn't matter. What does matter, I think, is that you still care about this guy. What you do with that is up to you, but I think it's great that you care.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16819 on: 19 February, 2020, 07:57:09 pm »
I thought the jew-hating painter was going to turn out to be Hitler until the bit about running for president...

Hitler's paintings, though fairly dull, were pretty decent.

Here's one of the other lad's.

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Archetypal use of the classic line during his statement when being arrested: "I am not a racist but I have found out that the Holocaust was a hoax and I wanted to highlight this."

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16820 on: 19 February, 2020, 09:15:12 pm »

That's sad, JBC.

I just deleted my two penn'orth because... Well, it doesn't matter. What does matter, I think, is that you still care about this guy. What you do with that is up to you, but I think it's great that you care.

I don't know the guy; think I met him once or twice and said hello and that's it. I think he's a complete arsehole and I detest his views, but he's very clearly mentally ill and maybe needs psychiatric treatment rather than death threats.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16821 on: 20 February, 2020, 01:01:46 am »
The BBC's Andrew Neil infamously published Holocaust denier David Irving in the Spectator over the objections of the mag's own writers, I would have thought a BBC production could have managed to gain access or insight there and examine the role of the BBC in normalising extremism and conspiracy theories instead of seeking out a niche oddball in a whole other country to platform out of his well-deserved obscurity.

I'm thinking of that documentary the BBC did on Jimmy Saville's crimes and their aftermath and thinking how it would have been more helpful if the BBC just hadn't covered up his crimes for decades.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16822 on: 20 February, 2020, 06:24:34 am »
"Unskilled". I was (working) on an state training course on the '90s, and one of the older lads was an unemployed labourer, probably the definition of "unskilled manual". I watched him build the project workshop and toilets from the ground up: set-out, foundations, plumbing and electrics, floor, walls, roof, doors and fit-out. More skills than I'm ever likely to have. When the project foreman went on holidays, he handed me the keys and told me I was in charge. Because I had a college degree. I was in my early 20s and utterly clueless about essentially everything, but I was somehow "better". There's your problem right there.

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« Reply #16823 on: 20 February, 2020, 09:34:23 am »
Ah, brings back fond memories!  My first job after failing everything at school was as a plumber's mate on our local hospital redevelopment.  Many an hour clambering around ceiling spaces, holding pipes for him to weld, fetching and carrying, burring the ends of threads (and finger tips!) ....

Unskilled though?  TBH that there is the problem.  The whole academic / vocational debate has long been an absolute joke.  We now have more graphic designers and historians in this country than builders and brickies.  The only positive part is that both kids and parents are slowly waking up to this fact.  Fifteen years ago it would have been insane to suggest anything other than Uni to a parent.  Now though?

I'm just wondering how long its going to be before the government realises the fatal flaw in their argument that employers have got to wean themselves off 'cheap' labour.  Leaving aside for a moment the fact that some sectors rely on seasonal, mobile labour or that the cost of living is so prohibitive in some places that it makes it non-viable for locals to work for the sectoral wages, most businesses in the UK are operating on a shoestring when it comes to finance. 

The care sector in particular is about an inch away from collapsing under rising costs and collapsing funding, not to mention being massively over-leveraged.  The hospitality sector might as well close up shop if its going to have to put up prices since a lot of people are still living on 2008 (or worse) standards.  Considering the number of workers reliant on in-work benefits, its hard to see how they are going to be able to afford increased food costs and even harder to see how some of their employers are going to be able to find the money to pay them more without going under.

Let's face it, its a nice little sound bite that gives the appearance of 'taking back control' and 'honouring the referendum'.  As always the devil is going to be in the detail.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16824 on: 20 February, 2020, 12:03:35 pm »
I'm conflicted - he's repulsive and his views are appalling, but I remember the lonely, mentally ill fool that once was convinced he'd win the Nobel Peace Prize and shudder to think what will become of him now.
What does matter, I think, is that you still care about this guy. What you do with that is up to you, but I think it's great that you care.
Everyone has some good in them, no matter how far their views have taken them, and if someone was to reach out to him - to show him that his views are (to put it bluntly) disturbing - then there is still hope.
Most people who have these kinds of views are, in some way or other, damaged, so addressing that damage and assisting in the healing process is far more useful than the people calling for extreme measures. I'm not saying that such abhorrent comments should be dismissed, but it seems a shame that the culture of the time is to immediately jump to "burn the heretic" rather than something more nuanced and thoughtful.

I'm thinking of that documentary the BBC did on Jimmy Saville's crimes and their aftermath and thinking how it would have been more helpful if the BBC just hadn't covered up his crimes for decades.
They're scared that the rest of the big names who have worked for them are going to get the same scrutiny. Understandable that they are covering themselves, but there is a lot which hasn't been made public yet. Of course the rumor mill can't be taken as fact, but when you hear stories from so many people you have to wonder how much of it is true.
What are we standing at now? Three children's presenters? Four?
Dammit, I'm trying to keep my head under the parapet. Note that I didn't name any names. I'm so not digging myself into another shitstorm...

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16825 on: 20 February, 2020, 12:45:33 pm »
I found out a popular-in-the-1970s crooner (no names) has a taste for 13 year old girls and I wasn't even looking to find out such things, I was just looking up who'd performed in South Africa during the Apartheid boycott - oh, and also he performed in South Africa during the Apartheid boycott.  A real charmer.
If I know, the BBC certainly do, and it hasn't stopped them keeping him employed and maintaining his high profile.  When he dies - it doesn't look like it'll be long, but that's been the case for a while now - I imagine everyone will be shocked by the "new revelations" only just discovered.

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« Reply #16826 on: 20 February, 2020, 02:14:35 pm »
I'm thinking of that documentary the BBC did on Jimmy Saville's crimes and their aftermath and thinking how it would have been more helpful if the BBC just hadn't covered up his crimes for decades.

Not just the Beeb mind.  Considering that our esteemed Prime Minister considers historical abuse claims to be a waste, the 'revelation' of the scale of abuse back in those days is no doubt unhelpful.  I say 'revelation' because too many are able to attest personally to both how widespread it was and how supportive authorities were.