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JayzusB.Christ

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2355 on: 01 November, 2018, 07:28:24 pm »
Each to their own of course, but I always found it pretty repulsive.


Think that's the important point here (though I'd take the bottle of Scotch every time as well).
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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2356 on: 01 November, 2018, 11:40:54 pm »
DanDontDare: its huge business here. They've run out completely. Cannabis companies are booming, especially producers, and the market is expected to grow and diversify. For example, companies including Molson and Coca-Cola are planning to bring out cannabis drinks. (Fun story, though!)

JamesC: I'm not sure I follow the logic of keeping it illegal so organized crime is less nasty. I feel it's better to redeploy police resources into dealing with more damaging crimes.

Other points to note:
I also like Scotch.
Irish whisky is, at best, just about OK.
The cannabis I bought sent me high as a kite and was very, very good. I still have three and a half joints left, if anyone wants to come and visit.

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2357 on: 02 November, 2018, 03:09:08 am »
It's hard to argue.

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2358 on: 02 November, 2018, 09:44:46 am »
JamesC: I'm not sure I follow the logic of keeping it illegal so organized crime is less nasty. I feel it's better to redeploy police resources into dealing with more damaging crimes.

Also, one of the key arguments against legalisation — "soft drugs lead to hard drugs" — is idiotically circular. Soft drugs lead to hard drugs because you have to buy them from drug dealers whose business model is much better served if they can get you onto cocaine or heroin, which has better profit margins and guarantees repeat business.
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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2359 on: 02 November, 2018, 10:45:40 am »
JamesC: I'm not sure I follow the logic of keeping it illegal so organized crime is less nasty. I feel it's better to redeploy police resources into dealing with more damaging crimes.

Also, one of the key arguments against legalisation — "soft drugs lead to hard drugs" — is idiotically circular. Soft drugs lead to hard drugs because you have to buy them from drug dealers whose business model is much better served if they can get you onto cocaine or heroin, which has better profit margins and guarantees repeat business.

Indeed. As a long time smoker of the dreaded 'Erb I've often pointed out to sceptics that buying said product from a shop is far preferable to meeting some guy I hardly know in an area I'm not familiar with
. Selling from a shop would also force a certain quality of product. Mr Greengrocer wouldn't get away with selling contaminated Weed - Sprayed with chemicals or covered in minute fragments of glass, all of which is designed to give the illusion of 'Crystals'.

Jim also makes a good point about exposure to hard drugs buy having to buy illegally. Mr Greengrocer wouldn't be allowed to sell Heroin and Crack Cocaine - the shit that really damages you and has turned very nice people into horrible bastards that would happily steal a handbag from an elderly lady.

Admittedly, the act of smoking will damage you (Fag anyone) but you can eat weed quite easily with no ill effects.

I'm not suggesting everyone should smoke it but at the same time I see absolutely nothing wrong with Weed. And I can't stand Whiskey!

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2360 on: 02 November, 2018, 11:54:14 am »
JamesC: I'm not sure I follow the logic of keeping it illegal so organized crime is less nasty. I feel it's better to redeploy police resources into dealing with more damaging crimes.

Also, one of the key arguments against legalisation — "soft drugs lead to hard drugs" — is idiotically circular. Soft drugs lead to hard drugs because you have to buy them from drug dealers whose business model is much better served if they can get you onto cocaine or heroin, which has better profit margins and guarantees repeat business.

To be honest, I was more communicating a train of thought than suggesting a serious policy decision. I was questioning whether lots of money was truly being wasted on policing or prosecuting 'those who partake' specifically. From my own experience, it doesn't appear so (it seems those who partake are pretty much left to get on with it, as are small time dealers, but those with warehouse sized hydroponic operations or large scale smuggling rackets are stamped on. When this happens it's usually reported that it was part of a larger organised criminal operation). Jim's point about ethnicity or class background playing a part in how the police deal with the users wasn't something I'd previously considered.
To be honest I really don't know enough about the drugs trade, crime statitics or policing to make a serious argument. 
My own feelings about canabis are drawn from my own personal experiences - all of which lead me to believe it's vile. That's personal bias, it's just one of those things I have an emotional reaction to and when someone suggests legalisation or espouses the benfits of smoking weed there's a voice in side my head screaming 'fuck no'!
 

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2361 on: 02 November, 2018, 12:19:25 pm »
The voice in one's mind isn't necessarily logical or correct (and I do realise you're not arguing otherwise).

 I've had horrendous panic attacks and paranoia while smoking weed, and have found it sucks away my energy and ambition. On the other hand, I have friends who function perfectly well in everyday life despite being regular smokers.  (Indeed, one of Tharg's most talented and well-established script droids regularly posts about the joys of 'magic fags'.) Solution: I'll avoid it, and they can smoke it.

Jim is absolutely spot on about the ridiculous gateway drug argument, and it's something I've argued against for a long time.  The silliest thing about it is that I've heard it from hardened drinkers who are oblivious to the fact that they're utterly dependent on a far more serious drug which, due to its legality, they never see in the same light.
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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2362 on: 02 November, 2018, 05:31:04 pm »
The voice in one's mind isn't necessarily logical or correct (and I do realise you're not arguing otherwise).

 I've had horrendous panic attacks and paranoia while smoking weed, and have found it sucks away my energy and ambition. On the other hand, I have friends who function perfectly well in everyday life despite being regular smokers.  (Indeed, one of Tharg's most talented and well-established script droids regularly posts about the joys of 'magic fags'.) Solution: I'll avoid it, and they can smoke it.

Jim is absolutely spot on about the ridiculous gateway drug argument, and it's something I've argued against for a long time.  The silliest thing about it is that I've heard it from hardened drinkers who are oblivious to the fact that they're utterly dependent on a far more serious drug which, due to its legality, they never see in the same light.

True. And one that can effect the consumer differently too.

For example, if I drink too much alcohol, I’ll go a bit silly and sleepy.  At worst it will make me sick (literally).

When some other guys take it, they turn into violent wife punching scumbags. And they might actually be genuinely nice blokes the rest of the time.

I’m not arguing for legalisation of weed, but I can see there are double standards at work here.

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2363 on: 02 November, 2018, 06:43:37 pm »
one of the key arguments against legalisation — "soft drugs lead to hard drugs" — is idiotically circular. Soft drugs lead to hard drugs because you have to buy them from drug dealers whose business model is much better served if they can get you onto cocaine or heroin, which has better profit margins and guarantees repeat business.

Which is also pretty much the same business model as the drinks industry, isn't it?

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2364 on: 02 November, 2018, 10:35:13 pm »
I wish to add that I'm not much of a pot smoker. Like many people here, I bought it out of curiosity and have been most amused that it arrived, legally, in the mail. I enjoyed smoking it but doubt I'll do it too often. I know the health implications so I'm not treating it any differently to unhealthy food that I might eat sometimes.

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Re: Life is sometimes sort of okay because...
« Reply #2365 on: 03 November, 2018, 01:16:14 am »
one of the key arguments against legalisation — "soft drugs lead to hard drugs" — is idiotically circular. Soft drugs lead to hard drugs because you have to buy them from drug dealers whose business model is much better served if they can get you onto cocaine or heroin, which has better profit margins and guarantees repeat business.

Which is also pretty much the same business model as the drinks industry, isn't it?

Not really, no. The alcohol industry has no real interest in getting you hooked on more dangerous drugs, mainly because they're illegal and drinks companies will not make a profit.  The drinks industry just wants you to buy more of the same. The weed industry would only want you to buy more weed, were it legal here.

And I'm speaking as a man who is half-pissed right now and doesn't particularly enjoy weed.
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