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sheridan

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16065 on: 17 September, 2019, 10:44:19 am »
UK news outlets swallowed the spin, though, including Channel 4 news.

What was the spin on Johnson running away from scrutiny (again)?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16066 on: 17 September, 2019, 11:19:38 am »
Wily Boris cleverly avoiding a cynical ambush by the intransigent Neo-Nazi EU superstate, a sort of Dunkirk manoeuvre in response to Brussels Blitzkrieg but presumably without the thousands of French rearguard troops dying while covering his oh-so noble retreat, and then being painted as cowards ever more.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16067 on: 17 September, 2019, 11:51:29 am »
You could confuse them even more by actually showing some of the African and Indian soldiers and sailors who helped in aspects of the evacuation.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16068 on: 17 September, 2019, 01:23:25 pm »
You could confuse them even more by actually showing some of the African and Indian soldiers and sailors who helped in aspects of the evacuation.

Or the Highland Division being left behind and sacrificed in a rear-guard action with the French.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16069 on: 17 September, 2019, 01:54:35 pm »
UK news outlets swallowed the spin, though, including Channel 4 news.

What was the spin on Johnson running away from scrutiny (again)?

To be fair (an outdated concept when you're defending someone you hate) a press conference can be scheduled anywhere - but they chose to have it right next to the railings where they knew there'd be booing protesters. Now this may just be an unplanned coincidence, or it may have been deliberate scheduling to make him look bad, in which case it would be a very petty stunt.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16070 on: 17 September, 2019, 02:04:29 pm »
To be fair (an outdated concept when you're defending someone you hate) a press conference can be scheduled anywhere - but they chose to have it right next to the railings where they knew there'd be booing protesters. Now this may just be an unplanned coincidence, or it may have been deliberate scheduling to make him look bad, in which case it would be a very petty stunt.

You'd presume BJ's people knew where it was to be held and checked it out, well in advance, but it transpires they requested a change of venue at the last minute.


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« Reply #16071 on: 17 September, 2019, 02:12:04 pm »
Which lends weight to his version of events - that the Luxembourg PM planned this as an ambush, and BJ's lot weren't aware until the last minute.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16072 on: 17 September, 2019, 02:26:17 pm »
Which lends weight to his version of events - that the Luxembourg PM planned this as an ambush, and BJ's lot weren't aware until the last minute.

It was BJ who requested the change of venue at the last minute not that the venue itself was sprung on them. Not that it really matters: he went to the EU with nothing to offer and left with nothing.


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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16073 on: 17 September, 2019, 02:42:56 pm »
Well, that’s it, isn’t it? The course of events was that the venue had been agreed, and Johnson could do his big podium thing. But when he rocked up, yet again he’s faced with protesters. His team then suggested moving everyone inside, despite the fact the podiums were already mic’d up, and the more important issue that there wasn’t enough room for all of the accredited journalists. Johnson’s team suggested cherry picking a select few (which in itself should set of FUCKING LOUD alarm bells), but Bettel reportedly didn’t give the slightest shit and was happy to continue. Johnson chickened out.

This was then framed by the usual parties as an EU attempt at humiliating the PM, and Channel 4 went along for the ride. The reality is we’ve now sunk to the point as a country where we’re being humiliated on a daily basis anyway, by just our very existence and actions; and also, the UK still doesn’t understand that the point of the EU is it gives everyone a much greater collective voice, from the mighty powerhouse of Germany through to the very smallest members.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16074 on: 17 September, 2019, 03:54:36 pm »
On balance, I think there was a sense that Bettel was quite amused by the predicament that Johnson found himself in. But it's just schadenfreude: not a planned set-up.

Johnson is really being hoisted by his own petard. He keeps bluffing that he's got everything under control: you couldn't ask for a clearer metaphor of his actual relationship with Europe.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16075 on: 18 September, 2019, 03:30:44 am »
Youtube lefty Jack Saint's two-part thesis "All Cops Are Bad (in Media)" examines authoritarianism in US cop movies, and the second part covers Judge Dredd (1995), Dredd (2012) and Wagner/Cooper's One-Eyed Jack.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16076 on: 18 September, 2019, 09:32:05 am »
Aye saw that, Jack makes good video essays on socio-political elements of media.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16077 on: 18 September, 2019, 10:21:14 pm »
Now, do I have time to watch the latest Channel 4 news reports..?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16078 on: 19 September, 2019, 05:42:30 pm »

I like most of you, and we've eaten the same food, read the same books, listened to the same music and watched the same telly for our entire lives, but I've given up hope of ever understanding The English:





http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2



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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #16079 on: 19 September, 2019, 07:10:00 pm »
Just the English..?
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