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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #225 on: 17 April, 2010, 12:42:44 am »
You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.  ;)

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #226 on: 17 April, 2010, 08:45:34 am »
I never said that money should be given to the private sector. The implication being that public sector R&D and commercialisation of results is funded and supported in order to offset the activities of the private.

Fair enough. I just lack your vision.

Most would say my naivety - I expect it would be much harder and more complex than I hope.


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I don't hear much from any political party about setting up new state-owned commercial enterprises. I think politicians on the the whole tend to see that as not being the role of government these days.

Let's face it, it would be a costly can of worms, and I can see why governments and would-be-governments steer clear of it. However, I'd really like to see some genuine Big Ideas for our countries that are properly planned and properly explained to the electorate. Most policy and argument is vague waffle about fairness, reducing waste, and so forth, or designed to appeal to our fears, prejudices and general ignorance.


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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #227 on: 17 April, 2010, 01:10:07 pm »
David Borrow apparently had the eighth largest MPs' expenses claim in 2007/8: £172,706.


Driving home tonight I was heartened by all the vox pops on the radio saying that after hearing the leaders' debate they would now be voting LibDem instead of Labour or Tory.


Didnt LibDems announce that they are going to get rid of all the oppressive legislation in the UK to do with civil liberties that has been forced on us by New Labour ?

I wipll have to look that one up but if there was a political party that guaranteed that it is going to dismantle the police state in the UK i would vote for them.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #228 on: 17 April, 2010, 01:22:05 pm »
So would I. It won't happen, though. Nobody's going to change any of that oppressive legislation.

It does all have the whiff of stage management, though. I was watching an analysis of that leaders' "debate" the other night, and one of the analysts began with the words "the Lib Dems are not going to win the election..." I keep hearing this. The Lib Dems are not going to win. Not going to win. But, they're "doing so well." It's almost like they're being set up to win, just to give the impression to the electorate that something genuinely new is going to happen.

We all know it doesn't matter which branch of the LibLabCon Party gets in, it'll still be the bankers and corporations calling the shots, but those who look no further than the colour of the flag flying above Number 10 will think something significant has happened when, in fact, nothing will change.

Just an observation.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #229 on: 17 April, 2010, 03:54:59 pm »
Lib Dems  want to scrap the pound and join the Euro which i dont agree with especially as the EU and the EURO are becoming unstable and besides from what i understand there are certain forces within the /UK establishment that wont let that happen and this is why the UK hasnt already scrapped the pound already so thats a failed policy.

I dont want their shite globalist/NWO currency as the Euro is a inbetween stage for a global currency.

They also propose to scrap the ID card scheme as well but wether they will if they get in is another story but i refuse to submit to /ID cards anyway.

I am also sick of elections in the UK being all about majorities and the first past the post horse race because it makes more sense for there to be proportional representation which would mean that a party like Labour would not be able to continue its wrecking spree of the UK unchallenged.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #230 on: 17 April, 2010, 06:02:19 pm »
We all know it doesn't matter which branch of the LibLabCon Party gets in, it'll still be the bankers and corporations calling the shots, but those who look no further than the colour of the flag flying above Number 10 will think something significant has happened when, in fact, nothing will change.

Just an observation.

An observation based on years upon years of exactly what you're talking about happening across the western world.

Yet people still get excited at election time. In fact, as time passes, elections seem to be getting more and more like the X-Factor final - not surprising, then, to hear Simon Cowell say he wants to get involved in politics, bringing more and more 'entertainment' value to the whole process.   

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #231 on: 17 April, 2010, 06:51:18 pm »
If I don't vote, it won't be out of apathy or being too lazy. I'm SICK OF THE LOT OF 'EM and why can't they put a none of the above option on the forms?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #232 on: 17 April, 2010, 07:49:57 pm »
If I don't vote, it won't be out of apathy or being too lazy. I'm SICK OF THE LOT OF 'EM and why can't they put a none of the above option on the forms?

Dude, write/ draw a 'none of the above' box onto your form. That's a standard spoil, right there, and far from apathetic (in my humble opinion).

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #233 on: 17 April, 2010, 08:03:19 pm »
And then you can say afterwards "shit, look - the Tories/Labour got in again! I'm glad I spoiled my vote, as it would have done no good anyway if I'd voted."


For anyone interested in tactical voting, there are hours of fun to be had from this website.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

The Greens are in third place in Brighton Pavilion (Labour) and have a genuine chance of winning. The 2005 results were:

Labour 15,995
Conservative 10,343
'Minority parties' 9,252
Liberal Democrats 7,070

If you lived there and reject the main parties you could vote Green for a laugh, or you could just write 'arseholes' on your ballot paper, which is funnier but changes nothing. Rejecting the electoral process doesn't actually change the composition of parliament. If you don't like the way they govern, refusing to vote isn't the same as taking the moral high ground any more than Pontias Pilate washing his hands is.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #234 on: 17 April, 2010, 08:11:30 pm »
Vote for Pingu.



Might as well.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #235 on: 18 April, 2010, 02:42:39 am »
Vote for Pingu.



Might as well.

If they are affiliated to or are a fifth cloumnist for foreign/offshore NWO/banking/Globalist interests like Bilderberg then dont vote for them either.

Nick Clegg has attended Bilderberg meetings.

All 3 main parties are affiliated to Bilderberg so i reject all 3 main parties and if you think that Nick Clegg is being set up to win you know he doesnt represent us.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #236 on: 18 April, 2010, 08:52:27 am »
If you don't like the way they govern, refusing to vote isn't the same as taking the moral high ground any more than Pontias Pilate washing his hands is.

For me, to spoil my vote is not just a rejection of the current leadership - it's a rejection of the process, itself.

It's certainly not an exercise in piety...

It's this:

To have my gang get into power and be able to tell you, and your gang, how to live your life seems fundamentally flawed, to me.

'an it harm none, do what ye will'

I have no wish to tell you, or anyone else, how to handle your finances, how to conduct your personal life or how to express your beliefs; religious or otherwise.

Spoiling my vote, therefore, may remain an expression of apathy to you, Usher, but it is the only expression with any integrity I am left with.    
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #237 on: 18 April, 2010, 12:02:50 pm »
Territoriality seems to be a human condition that has never really dissapeared. If you and your kith or kin outnumber others you can dominate that area by sheer weight of numbers alone and can therefore order the world to suit your interests or prejudices even.

Is that not the nature of human power since we first began creating civilizations, remaking the enviroment to our own liking?

Some more contentious theories about civilizations origins have rejected the hunter gather to collective farming hypothesis believing instead that organized violence,warfare was the trigger for settled communities. You bully one group into becoming farmers who grow the crops to feed the Army so it can go raiding, gathering more booty, territory and subject peoples to do the dirty work for you  [slaves.]

Er, I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem. Not that I believe a word they say but it's them or the Tories so my territorial prejudice and self interest would be better served by a Nick Clegg administration. How selfish of me, eh?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #238 on: 18 April, 2010, 12:52:06 pm »
Why can't we all have our own little local governments on the village/town or county level with Westminster there entirely for national co-ordination? It would be magnificently chaotic and uneven, but truly democratic. Local laws for local people.

If one side (nationally) gains 51% of the votes and gets to be in charge, that isn't democracy at all - that's just mob rule.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #239 on: 18 April, 2010, 02:11:33 pm »
Why can't we all have our own little local governments on the village/town or county level with Westminster there entirely for national co-ordination? It would be magnificently chaotic and uneven, but truly democratic. Local laws for local people.

Okay, so who is going to decide which little community we each get to live in? What if too many people want to live in one place? What if large numbers of old people go and retire to East Anglia, but nobody is working there; are the taxes from hard working Londoners or the industrious Scots going to be directed towards the massively increased healthcare needs of that region? When folks from Texting-While-Driving-Is-Fine are caught using their phones driving through Mobiles-Kill, are they tried in Texting-Is-Fine or Mobiles-Kill? While awaiting trial for murder, which region's prison are they kept in, and who foots the bill? This isn't just a can of worms, it's New Improved Wormo, with added Wriggle.

Things are difficult and badly coordinated as it is without even more fragmentation.

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