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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1230 on: 02 October, 2019, 10:31:35 AM »
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1231 on: 02 October, 2019, 10:37:48 AM »
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.

"The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

In 1782, Judge Sir Francis Buller is reported as having made this legal ruling and in the following year James Gillray published a satirical cartoon attacking Buller and caricaturing him as 'Judge Thumb'. The cartoon shows a man beating a fleeing woman and Buller carrying two bundles of sticks. The caption reads "thumbsticks - for family correction: warranted lawful!""


https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html


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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1232 on: 02 October, 2019, 11:03:32 AM »
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.

"The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

In 1782, Judge Sir Francis Buller is reported as having made this legal ruling and in the following year James Gillray published a satirical cartoon attacking Buller and caricaturing him as 'Judge Thumb'. The cartoon shows a man beating a fleeing woman and Buller carrying two bundles of sticks. The caption reads "thumbsticks - for family correction: warranted lawful!""

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html

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the 'rule of thumb' has never been the law in England.

Even if people mistakenly supposed the law to exist, there's no reason to believe that anyone ever called it the 'rule of thumb'. Despite the phrase being in common use since the 17th century and appearing many thousands of times in print, there are no printed records that associate it with domestic violence until the 1970s, when the notion was castigated by feminists.

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1233 on: 02 October, 2019, 11:04:34 AM »
The oldest attribution refers to measuring something with a thumb instead of a ruler (as has been pointed out up-thread).
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"many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1234 on: 02 October, 2019, 01:16:26 PM »
Fair enough!

That'll teach me to thoroughly read my own sources.   :D

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1235 on: 08 October, 2019, 04:36:12 PM »
The oldest attribution refers to measuring something with a thumb instead of a ruler (as has been pointed out up-thread).
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"many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."

oh, where's that quote from sheridan?
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1237 on: 10 October, 2019, 12:54:30 PM »
Nasty vicious bitey-bitey things...

Klegg = Clegg (or, in Norwegian, Klegg).

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1238 on: 10 October, 2019, 02:54:41 PM »
As a kid I heard the feckers called clegs in Ireland too- this would have been in Clare, I think. Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1239 on: 10 October, 2019, 03:57:29 PM »
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1240 on: 10 October, 2019, 04:11:32 PM »
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).

I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself! - and also Ratoath.  I'm only guessing at the spelling, cos I've a vague feeling it's just horsefly as gaeilge, but alas my Irish education ran more towards rote-learning prepared statements on dífhostaíocht and ríomhairí.  It was pronounced "Crowhers".
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1241 on: 11 October, 2019, 04:16:47 AM »
They were called clegs in the Highlands, as well: it says from Old Norse kleggi on the interweb. Feckin' horseflies.
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1242 on: 11 October, 2019, 12:45:56 PM »
They were called clegs in the Highlands, as well: it says from Old Norse kleggi on the interweb. Feckin' horseflies.

Yup, always heard them called clegs in Scotland.

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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1243 on: 11 October, 2019, 04:44:49 PM »
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).

I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself! - and also Ratoath.  I'm only guessing at the spelling, cos I've a vague feeling it's just horsefly as gaeilge, but alas my Irish education ran more towards rote-learning prepared statements on dífhostaíocht and ríomhairí.  It was pronounced "Crowhers".

Nobber! They eat their young out there.
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Re: Things that went over your head...
« Reply #1244 on: 12 October, 2019, 12:09:59 PM »
I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself!


I'd never heard of it, but see that Nobber is just South of the border.  No opportunity for double entendres there.  And I'm sure it's never been said that the Archdeacon of Nobber is a euphemism.