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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #15 on: 15 May, 2013, 04:04:29 pm »
I agree with Adobe's policy of punishing paying customers, it is the only way to fight piracy.  I do not actually comprehend how this is the case, but I am sure they know what they are doing.

Well, I trust no-one is such a greedy bunch of money-grubbing cunts that they'd ignore the existence of freeware that does all the things their products do, just across several programs rather than in one place, anyway.  I have faith that no-one could be that stupid or blinded by greed.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #16 on: 15 May, 2013, 04:44:37 pm »
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Adobe's policy of punishing paying customers

I agree. Aren't the people who already pirate Adobe software just going to find a workaround for this anyway?

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the existence of freeware that does all the things their products do, just across several programs rather than in one place

Really? Cos I don't see a serious alternative to Photoshop out there...

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #17 on: 15 May, 2013, 05:29:52 pm »
They're perhaps not as polished as overall packages, but there are plenty of alternatives.  A lot of artists switched to Manga Studio years ago, and I'd have done it myself only I'm too lazy to learn to work around a few minor niggles.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #18 on: 15 May, 2013, 06:00:20 pm »
I'm not talking about an alternative to Photoshop from a comic artists perspective - I'm talking about an alternative, serious, high end image editor. I don't believe there is one.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #19 on: 15 May, 2013, 06:16:19 pm »
I recently scan read an intro to a news article and thought Adobe's Creative Cloud was for mobile devices, so bizarre it seemed.

For quite a few years Adobe has trounced the opposition (with pretty decent programs and by gobbling up other companies such as Macromedia, which IIRC gobbled up other companies such as Aldus – remember PageMaker anyone?). Being a market leader gives Adobe power to call the shots but then again QuarkXpress used to be the market leader in page layout software until Adobe caned it for value for money with its Creative Suite. QuarkXpress was so undercut by Adobe, InDesign became the norm. I don't know anyone who uses QuarkXpress anymore.

But Adobe being the market leader gave us the benefit of compatibility. People such as myself are constantly sharing files with repro houses, printers, agencies, freelancers etc which makes freeware not really an option for me.


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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #20 on: 15 May, 2013, 06:29:51 pm »
I'm not talking about an alternative to Photoshop from a comic artists perspective

I worked in a design firm that used Inkscape and Gimpshop*.  The only paid art software package used in the office was Sketchbook Pro, with one guy taking care of file compatibility for the entire office by converting formats before sending files to the relevant workstations.

(Although to be honest, I did later install a copy of CS on my work pc as I was more familiar with it than these hippy-dippy socialist art packages)

* I think this is now only available as ad-supported freeware.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #21 on: 19 May, 2013, 05:16:34 pm »

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #22 on: 23 May, 2013, 10:53:36 pm »
Probably worth me chipping in here, as I've been vocal about my displeasure at this move elsewhere already... and I don't care who I offend, for once.

Adobe can shove their Creative Cloud model. With great prejudice. And no lube.

I've worked like a crazy man to get to a point where I'm generating some regular income from comics. I've incorporated both Photoshop and Illustrator into my workflow, and to be honest, my instinct is to ay 'I'll use these programs for as long as I can'.

But, as it looks like I've gained enough of a foothold in comics to say I'll be on the scene for a little while at least, I feel I have to look towards the long term. Hence, Adobe are getting the boot.

Like Jim, I've invested in Manga Studio 5. It should be noted that Manga Studio already enjoys favour with a good number of jobbing comics artists, especially those using Cintiqs and the like. I can see it becoming the new industry standard.

As for Illustrator, I'll be replacing that with Corel Draw early next year. It'll simply do everything Illustrator does, and I've got time between now and then to investigate any issues or workarounds as required.

I'm really at a loss as to what Adobe's thinking behind this move is. It's certainly making their software seem far less appealing. I don't have £18.00 a month to spend on access to software I'm already using, thank you very much, and if I can buy a complete software package for less than 3 months' subscription fee, then that's what I'll do.

Goodbye, Adobe. I love your software, but I hate how you do business.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #23 on: 25 May, 2013, 12:53:09 pm »
If anyone was planning to get a copy of CS6 before Creative Cloud becomes the only option, you'll need to be quick. I hear that Adobe have made the boxed copies of CS6 returnable if the vendors get them back in by the end of the month…

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #24 on: 25 May, 2013, 03:55:42 pm »
I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't see CS6 being pirated to fuckery and back.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #25 on: 25 May, 2013, 05:28:48 pm »
Nice to see Computer Arts championing the little guy and capturing the zeitgeist in their new issue...

"...[Adobe] appears to be making a big effort to make designers' lives easier with new features that show genuine innovation, and solve real problems for creative professionals".

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #26 on: 25 May, 2013, 07:49:39 pm »
Nice to see Computer Arts championing the little guy and capturing the zeitgeist in their new issue...

"...[Adobe] appears to be making a big effort to make designers' lives easier with new features that show genuine innovation, and solve real problems for creative professionals".

That would be the too much money problem  :D

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #27 on: 03 October, 2013, 11:54:06 pm »
It seems Adobe are busily proving their cloud credentials...

Adobe says attackers compromised 2.9 million accounts, stole source code


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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #28 on: 10 October, 2013, 07:55:42 am »
Sorry to bang on about this, but a week after the announcement of accounts being hacked, only this morning - a week later - have I received an email saying my account was compromised. Simply not good enough.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud (or: Monopolies in Action)
« Reply #29 on: 10 October, 2013, 08:16:18 am »
Sorry to bang on about this, but a week after the announcement of accounts being hacked, only this morning - a week later - have I received an email saying my account was compromised. Simply not good enough.

Yeah. I got one a couple of days ago advising me to change my password. The link redirected to me a "Forgotten your pasword?" page.

NO, ABOBE! I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN IT — YOU FUCKING GAVE IT AWAY!

Gaah!

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