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Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« on: 01 June, 2013, 07:28:37 PM »
I've always liked the fact that Jim views original artwork in a slightly different way to many of us who, somewhat understandably, get distracted by all the pretty pictures.  It's nice to see such appreciation for the lettering skills evident on the pages and I'm sure he's not alone in this.  Hence this thread - sod the art, this is just for the lettering!  I'll post up bits and pieces of text - dialogue, sound effects, etc. - from various lettering robots from days gone by, and if anyone else wants to chip is with favourite examples then please feel free!

On to the lettering...


Tom Frame - Judge Dredd - Prog 66








Peter Knight - Black Hawk - Prog 131








Tom Frame - The VCs - Prog 150








More to follow…

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #1 on: 01 June, 2013, 07:45:08 PM »
Like the idea, Ming. Perhaps slightly biased on this one, but it's a favourite...

Judge Dredd - Prog 899 - Ellie De Ville

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #2 on: 01 June, 2013, 07:50:10 PM »
Lovely.

Before I get too carried away cropping text, would complete panels be more interesting than just boxes of text?  Seeing how the letterer makes the text and dialogue work around the artwork might make more sense than just giving examples of personal lettering styles, I guess...  Jim?

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #3 on: 01 June, 2013, 07:54:25 PM »
A nice, if slightly odd - thats odd in a good way, idea for a thread. Full panels, or as full as is reasonable/possible would seem to make more sense??

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #4 on: 01 June, 2013, 08:07:15 PM »
Seeing how the letterer makes the text and dialogue work around the artwork might make more sense than just giving examples of personal lettering styles, I guess...  Jim?

I definitely think the whole panel would help — context is all important!

I notice 2000AD seemed to favour that taller, thinner style in the early days — Frame, Knight and Aldrich were all very similar. I wonder if Tom had a hand in training the other two…

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #5 on: 01 June, 2013, 08:26:27 PM »
Progs 259 (freshly scanned today for use over on CAF) and 61 respectively, both by Mr Tom Frame.





The Cursed Earth Episode One art was the first original art i owned. And one of the many thrills was seeing Tom's lettering first hand - thats 2000ad for ya, even the letterer's were (rightly, in Tom's case) stars. That particular page is chockablock full of his choice lettering.
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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #6 on: 01 June, 2013, 09:17:52 PM »
Apart from the regular lettering, the one thing I loved about 2000AD/Starlord in lettering was the thought put to the bubbles to identify different voices.

The chamfered boxy robot voices, the voices of the biochips in Rogue, the Dark Judges dialogue, Spectral Torquemada's dialogue etc.

Apart from speech and thought bubbles this was the first time I'd actually noticed a conscious (and pretty consistent) design choice in speech balloons.

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #7 on: 01 June, 2013, 09:27:27 PM »
The chamfered boxy robot voices, the voices of the biochips in Rogue, the Dark Judges dialogue, Spectral Torquemada's dialogue etc.

Although I'd be the first to acknowledge the towering contribution the Frame droid made to the Galaxy's Greatest, I do feel that Steve Potter's contribution has been somewhat unfairly overshadowed — his lettering in Nemesis Bks I-III is brilliant. To this day, I still can't figure out a way to replicate that Torquemada balloon digitally, and the way the spiders' balloons were surrounded by webbing that anchored to the panel borders in BkII was just superb.

(Annoyingly, my Nemesis TPBs are in a box somewhere and I can't lay my hands on 'em for a scan.)

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #8 on: 01 June, 2013, 09:35:41 PM »
Yep, he did an amazing job lettering Nemesis.

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #9 on: 01 June, 2013, 09:37:30 PM »
Bloody hell, I already love this thread!

Gawd bless ya for starting this up, Ming. We letterers need all the love we can get.

Also: Totally agree on Steve Potter's lettering. I was ploughing through my Nemesis collections recently, for the first time since I actually started lettering with any serious intent, and the quality of his work leaps out. His title logos during the Redondo era are breathtaking.
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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #10 on: 01 June, 2013, 09:49:05 PM »
First time I've noticed that it's Brother Solom and Gomorrah in the Cursed Earth panel - not Sodom.

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #11 on: 01 June, 2013, 10:50:51 PM »
First time I've noticed that it's Brother Solom and Gomorrah in the Cursed Earth panel - not Sodom.

Aye, its little things like that, that often go un-noticed - but once seen......
Like the way the speech balloon is in front of Anderson.




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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #12 on: 01 June, 2013, 11:03:01 PM »
Like the way the speech balloon is in front of Anderson.

Ah, now, y'see I would never have done that. I'm quite happy to mask parts of balloons so that artwork appears to be in front of/behind balloons and FX, but that one makes no sense because it's on a different plane to the character. (Worse yet, it's in front of the Dredd balloon which means that Dredd's balloon must be even further back.)

Personally, I'd have butted McDonald's balloon to the top edge of the panel, like Dredd's, moved it to the right, and taken a chunk out of it so it looked like it was behind his own head.

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #13 on: 01 June, 2013, 11:04:44 PM »
I love this thread already - but we need scans of the Nemesis panels from someone!

Lettering is the unsung talent in the creative team. If you don't believe me, check out the twilight graphic novel


Imagine that in the prog, spoiling Zombo ...  oof.

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Re: Ye Olde Lettering Skill Appreciation Thread
« Reply #14 on: 01 June, 2013, 11:08:43 PM »
Holy shit. I thought I'd seen some crappy lettering in that Twilight book, but nothing as bad as that!

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