Nigel: The Dark Judges all go to thirteen. Look, right across the board, thirteen, thirteen, thirteen and...
Martin: Oh, I see. And most people agree that there should just be four?
Nigel: Exactly.
Martin: Does that mean they're scarier? Are they any scarier?
Nigel: Well, more are scarier, aren't they? It's not four. You see, most Dark Judging, you know, will be done with four. You're on four here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on four with your Dark Judging. Where can you go from there? Where?
Martin: I don't know.
Nigel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Martin: Put it up to thrirteen.
Nigel: Thriteen. Exactly. Nine scarier.
Martin: Why don't you just make four scarier and make four be the top number and make that a little scarier?
[Pause.]
Nigel: These go to thirteen.
