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Colin YNWA

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #780 on: 23 June, 2019, 09:15:40 pm »
Fair point - I seem to recall you've called me on that before Jim, when I've commented on it here abouts. I'll try to keep it in mind. Though why I should have to allow reasoned balanced evidence influence my fixed blinkered, long held view I'll never know.

Let's see how I get on over the next 'year' - but please bare with me and do call me out if needed.

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #781 on: 23 June, 2019, 11:00:30 pm »
I seem to recall you've called me on that before Jim

To be fair, I didn’t really ‘call you’ on it — I absolutely had this wrong, too. I remember John Smith complaining bitterly on the old 2000AD Usenet group that Andy’s ‘rocket fuel edict’ had robbed A Love Like Blood of a couple of extra episodes that it needed (which it really did) and I can see why he thought that, and, from there, why a lot of the rest us thought that, too. It’s only relatively recently from talking to Andy that the rocket fuel thing and the reprint thing (both of which I was aware of separately) dropped into place chronologically.
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« Reply #782 on: 23 June, 2019, 11:37:11 pm »
Yeah, that stupid foreign rights packaging deal did for Storming Heaven. I was told I could do it as one book of about 45 pages (not enough pages) or two books of 90 pages total.  (Which was too many pages.)

So it was somewhat irritating when that deal ended up coming to nothing, despite its format being imposed on already commissioned work.

TBH, Storming Heaven was a creative failure anyway - not a work I ever revisit - and taught me that superheroes really aren’t my thing.

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« Reply #783 on: 24 June, 2019, 07:18:30 am »
(Which was too many pages.)

You know you get paid by the page, right?! There’s a reason why Pat Mills’ catchphrase is “He didn’t think it too many”…
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« Reply #784 on: 24 June, 2019, 07:37:50 am »
What can I say?  That some of us still have the sad vestiges of creative integrity?

As I said, I haven’t looked at I n years, but Storming Heaven probably needed another 15-20 pages. Most of it devoted to some desperately needed character development.

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #785 on: 24 June, 2019, 10:25:10 am »
What can I say?  That some of us still have the sad vestiges of creative integrity?

CRAZY TALK.
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« Reply #786 on: 27 June, 2019, 05:34:12 pm »

Which is why, in the early period where Dredd was the only (?) full colour strip, it would move around the comic, or sometimes be broken up with an entire strip in between, or break up a B&W strip, seemingly for no reason.

Once again fantastic insight Jim.The weird thing about this though is this is prior to the 6 pages of colour Dredd scattered around the Prog (starts Prog 620?). This is still the era of colour centre pages only. Don't think I've ever seen a strip have one page before Dredd like this. When you look at how packed the Prog is you kinda see why it happened, we get a back inside cover story page. Just really strange. .

I might be wrong, but I think the first time a strip got split mid-prog was Ace Trucking Co. (Last Lug to Abbo Dabbo) in prog 261, and I think the cause was a color ad.  This occurs with relative frequency after that point.

Prog 535 just seems to be a really unlucky combination of story-lengths that (with the color center pages) forced Tharg's (mighty) hand.  The only way to fix it would be to put one of the story pages on the back cover.  Whilst that isn't unheard of, I can only think of once that it was done without coloring it (maybe in prog 358).  The 535 problem recurs a few times.

Progs 547 & 548 are also oddballs, with their color pages and staples off-center.  (Off-center color pages had happened before when they had a special color center pull out: like Mask in prog 494, Diceman in prog 473 and so on.)

By the time we reach prog 589 (with an extra four color pages), splitting stories becomes normal, with Dredd (later Slaine) nearly always split by another thrill.  This gets resolved in prog 650 when more color pages get added.  Finally, the prog goes full color in prog 723, making perhaps some editorial pagination headaches disappear.
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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #787 on: 28 June, 2019, 04:47:18 pm »
Prog 535 just seems to be a really unlucky combination of story-lengths that (with the color center pages) forced Tharg's (mighty) hand.  The only way to fix it would be to put one of the story pages on the back cover.  Whilst that isn't unheard of, I can only think of once that it was done without coloring it (maybe in prog 358).  The 535 problem recurs a few times.

One episode (I think the first) of Eye of the Traitor had a black and white back page - earlier in the 300s.

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« Reply #788 on: 28 June, 2019, 07:53:44 pm »
Wow Funt Solo that's some cool work!

And Sheridan nice top up.

I actually really liked Storming Heaven when I read it a bit back. It seemd to work with its drug fuelled theme. Be interesting to see how I get on with it when it rolls up again soon (ish I think)

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« Reply #789 on: 28 June, 2019, 08:33:23 pm »
Prog 535 just seems to be a really unlucky combination of story-lengths that (with the color center pages) forced Tharg's (mighty) hand.  The only way to fix it would be to put one of the story pages on the back cover.  Whilst that isn't unheard of, I can only think of once that it was done without coloring it (maybe in prog 358).  The 535 problem recurs a few times.

One episode (I think the first) of Eye of the Traitor had a black and white back page - earlier in the 300s.

Oh yeah: prog 330.  Thanks.
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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #790 on: 28 June, 2019, 09:49:55 pm »
Prog 535 just seems to be a really unlucky combination of story-lengths that (with the color center pages) forced Tharg's (mighty) hand.  The only way to fix it would be to put one of the story pages on the back cover.  Whilst that isn't unheard of, I can only think of once that it was done without coloring it (maybe in prog 358).  The 535 problem recurs a few times.

One episode (I think the first) of Eye of the Traitor had a black and white back page - earlier in the 300s.

Oh yeah: prog 330.  Thanks.

No wonder I remembered it - the first prog I bought!

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #791 on: 15 July, 2019, 09:35:56 pm »
So Prog 1200 comes and, well we'll get tot he content in a bit but man I'm no fan of the format.

And as the logo thread is a hot property right now I'm also no fan of the mast head either.

Also Chris Blythe whose colour I often love and admire seems to be doing a little too much shiney shiny at this time too. Don't remember this lasting.

Right old group me tonight aren't I!

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #792 on: 16 July, 2019, 04:59:24 pm »
bubstandard

Isn't that the term for describing the glut of Wolverine comics in the late 90s?

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Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« Reply #793 on: 16 July, 2019, 08:18:22 pm »
bubstandard

Isn't that the term for describing the glut of Wolverine comics in the late 90s?

Exactly a John Smith comic that's as good as any of a bunch of contemporary Wolverine comics. I mean I could have used a word as bland as substandard but heck I am talking about purple prose Smith here*

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