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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #15 on: 23 January, 2017, 07:53:41 pm »
The Last anything has a fairly good track record:


These films and others are fairly well rated, so perhaps there is hope.

Bugger!  Now you've got me thinking of the next Star Wars film as a reboot of Last of The Summer Wine.

Now that would be a mashup and a half!


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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #16 on: 23 January, 2017, 09:08:08 pm »
I was going to make some serious (well for me) fanboy comments on the fact that the one good thing the rubbish trilogy did was the names that really harked back to the serials that the films are sporned from and 'The Last Jedi' is utterly flat and uninspiring ... but then you lot came along and started making it clear this wasn't something to be taken seriously with your wringly stockings talk and I felt foolish for trying to be serious.

So glad I didn't attempt to make serious comment on this disappearing reveal, I'd have looked a right numpty.


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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #17 on: 23 January, 2017, 10:09:08 pm »
I'll take it seriously.

Cool name for the film, im pleased. Better than "the force awakens".

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #18 on: 24 January, 2017, 12:27:21 am »
I'll take it seriously.

Cool name for the film, im pleased. Better than "the force awakens".

I like it as a name, and it means we don't know who the Last Jedi is.  It could continue to be Luke (with Rey being something other than a Jedi), it could be Rey (with Luke either dying or turning to the Dark Side) or it could be something else entirely.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #19 on: 24 January, 2017, 01:40:00 am »

Or Luke is the last Jedi ever and the philosophy of his Force teachings will change - as long as the franchise can survive and Disney allow that.



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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #20 on: 24 January, 2017, 01:55:00 am »
It's also somewhat of an 80s throwback - makes me think of The Last Starfighter.

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Or Luke is the last Jedi ever and the philosophy of his Force teachings will change - as long as the franchise can survive and Disney allow that.

I've often thought that Lucas* really painted Star Wars into a narrative corner by firmly establishing that a) jedis are celibate monks and b) there can only ever be two sith at any one time. In the spin-offs and subsequent films they have really had to bend these rules to breaking point.

*Think I'm right in saying that those two things are prequel inventions?

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #21 on: 24 January, 2017, 02:36:09 am »
I like it as a name, and it means we don't know who the Last Jedi is.  It could continue to be Luke (with Rey being something other than a Jedi), it could be Rey (with Luke either dying or turning to the Dark Side) or it could be something else entirely.

Yes. Technically Luke would be the last Jedi, at the moment anyway. Leia never received the training (as far as I'm aware. I guess she might have between films) and Rey isn't a Jedi yet. (We know just having force ability doesn't make one a jedi.) And Kylo is a knight of Ren* not a Jedi. Presumably all the other padawans at Skywalker college are dead.

Of course, once Rey is trained up that would make her the last Jedi, or the first of a new lot. (Or even something else as you say.) 'Last' is often interpreted as final, but it can have an elastic quality. I've got no children, or siblings, so I'm the last of my line (not including cousins - a few of those have kids). But it's possible I might father a child in future, although I doubt it. Either way I'm the last Mardroid right now. :lol:

The film title is simple but I think I like it. It does seem to suggest that Luke will be a large focus of the film, which is welcome. I hope they don't kill him off at the end to pass on the baton/lightsaber as it were, since they did that already with Kenobi, and it's become a bit of a cliche in films where mentor types are concerned. It's fine that the new trilogy films follow Rey as the new eyes into this world. She represents the future, but the old needn't be done away with yet.

*And possibly a Sith. Kylo Ren is basically the same thing anyway. Of course we know from the cartoons that there can be other dark-side force-users as demonstrated by The Inquisitors and the bald minx with the two lightsabers, whose name has skipped my memory, with the two Sith lords (Sidious and Dooku**) pulling the strings. I wonder if it turns out that Kylo Ren is just a pawn of that nature and there are actually two sith rather than just Snoke in the background. Probably , not. I think that would be too complicated.

** And of course there was Maul and Savage too, but each group did't consider the other sith.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #22 on: 24 January, 2017, 06:26:01 am »
I was going to make some serious (well for me) fanboy comments on the fact that the one good thing the rubbish trilogy did was the names that really harked back to the serials that the films are sporned from and 'The Last Jedi' is utterly flat and uninspiring ... but then you lot came along and started making it clear this wasn't something to be taken seriously with your wringly stockings talk and I felt foolish for trying to be serious.

So glad I didn't attempt to make serious comment on this disappearing reveal, I'd have looked a right numpty.

Aye, but then again, where else can you have a discussion amongst fans about Star Wars that goes off on such a bizarre tangent and still have everyone talking to each other afterwards?

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #23 on: 24 January, 2017, 06:58:44 am »
I like it as a name, and it means we don't know who the Last Jedi is.  It could continue to be Luke (with Rey being something other than a Jedi), it could be Rey (with Luke either dying or turning to the Dark Side) or it could be something else entirely.

Yes. Technically Luke would be the last Jedi, at the moment anyway. Leia never received the training (as far as I'm aware. I guess she might have between films) and Rey isn't a Jedi yet. (We know just having force ability doesn't make one a jedi.) And Kylo is a knight of Ren* not a Jedi. Presumably all the other padawans at Skywalker college are dead.


Of course, once Rey is trained up that would make her the last Jedi, or the first of a new lot. (Or even something else as you say.)

Luke's status, and (initial) ownership of the title, is already established in the Force Awakens crawl:

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the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.



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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #24 on: 24 January, 2017, 07:04:58 am »
b) there can only ever be two sith at any one time.

I'm not sufficiently versed in SW continuity to know if that is cast in stone… I've come across some discussion of the 'Rule of Two' when I googled the relevant Yoda quotation and it doesn't seem like it is*. Whilst it's certainly a very literal interpretation of Yoda's words, you could also take his comment (as I did) to mean that the Sith only ever work in pairs… which has the benefit of making a lot more sense than the other interpretation…!

(And, let's face it, having a reputation for plain-speaking, Yoda does not.)


*From an admittedly fairly perfunctory skim. I have neither the time nor the energy to disappear down that rabbit hole!
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #25 on: 24 January, 2017, 07:17:35 am »
Of course, "Jedi" is plural too...
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #26 on: 24 January, 2017, 07:26:03 am »
Of course, "Jedi" is plural too...

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #27 on: 24 January, 2017, 08:08:29 am »
The Last Picture Show is a great movie too.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #28 on: 24 January, 2017, 09:19:14 am »
"The Rule of Two", an awful EU extrapolation from Yoda's remarks on Maul in TPM, mainly exists to explain how Vader killing the Emperor destroys the Sith - itself a term for a particular cult which doesn't appear on screeen in the OT. So not only would I not worry about it, I'd also assume that after RotJ as darkside company policy it was viewed as a complete disaster, and those boys are nothing if not pragmatic.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« Reply #29 on: 24 January, 2017, 09:41:07 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong but rule of two was mentioned in Star Wars Rebels also?
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