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Author Topic: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES  (Read 33976 times)

Tiplodocus

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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #465 on: 24 February, 2019, 03:45:03 pm »
The character of Tilly gets worse and worse - they didn't have the dialogue for a happy fat character and a cute ditsy character so they just merged them in her.

You'll have to help me out here because this sentence reads like you are criticizing the writers for making Tilly more than two dimensional.
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« Reply #466 on: 24 February, 2019, 08:42:17 pm »
I think her character is best described as two lazy stereotypes merged together neither of which have any great depth.

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« Reply #467 on: 25 February, 2019, 10:10:21 am »
That's a shame you see her that way.

For me she's also working as a contrast to the angst complexities of Burnham and the straight arrow Federationism of Pike. And plays well (and funny) against both.
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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #468 on: 25 February, 2019, 10:16:59 am »

I think the character of Tilly is the least of this programme's problems. I'm finding S2 of The Orville far more entertaining all 'round - especially as they seem to have dialled back the wacky humour a notch or two.


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« Reply #469 on: 25 February, 2019, 10:48:42 am »
I also like Orville and it feels like S2 of Discovery is missing something (second season blues maybe ?)

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« Reply #470 on: 25 February, 2019, 02:39:11 pm »
Episode 6 was much better than 5. It still doesn't feel very Trek though. I was genuinely surprised by how little thought they gave to forcing a metamorphosis on an entire population, forever changing the culture of two sentient species. At least Tilly wasn't in it much (but her line about galaxy pie still made me want to punch someone).

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« Reply #471 on: 25 February, 2019, 06:49:56 pm »
Episode 6 was much better than 5. It still doesn't feel very Trek though. I was genuinely surprised by how little thought they gave to forcing a metamorphosis on an entire population, forever changing the culture of two sentient species. At least Tilly wasn't in it much (but her line about galaxy pie still made me want to punch someone).

Funny thing is, I'm finding it more and more Trekky all the time. In this case, it felt a bit like the original series - I think Kirk would have made exactly the same call.

I hope this isn't the end of this particular storyline, though. The problem with most Trek stories is that we don't get to see consequences very often, and it would be nice to see what happens next. Especially as we have some interesting new aliens.

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« Reply #472 on: 25 February, 2019, 07:34:45 pm »
Episode 6 was much better than 5. It still doesn't feel very Trek though. I was genuinely surprised by how little thought they gave to forcing a metamorphosis on an entire population, forever changing the culture of two sentient species. At least Tilly wasn't in it much (but her line about galaxy pie still made me want to punch someone).

Funny thing is, I'm finding it more and more Trekky all the time. In this case, it felt a bit like the original series - I think Kirk would have made exactly the same call.

I hope this isn't the end of this particular storyline, though. The problem with most Trek stories is that we don't get to see consequences very often, and it would be nice to see what happens next. Especially as we have some interesting new aliens.

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I know what you mean about Kirk.
I can kind of see the scene playing in my head if the original crew were in the same position. I think there’d be more to commincate to the audience that the decision was kind of a big deal.

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« Reply #473 on: 26 February, 2019, 08:01:06 am »
I really liked that episode. And yes, can imagine Kirk and co. resolving in exactly the same manner. Well maybe with less technobabble. But really good stuff.
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« Reply #474 on: 26 February, 2019, 06:33:40 pm »
I know what you mean about Kirk.
I can kind of see the scene playing in my head if the original crew were in the same position. I think there’d be more to commincate to the audience that the decision was kind of a big deal.

You're probably right about that. I notice there here are times - like the previous episode - when the characters stand around and yack when they should be doing something in a hurry, and times like this when they just get on with it. I'm guessing it's down to different writers, different directors, and what they thing makes for a more dramatic story or scene.

I am surprised by my increasing liking of the series, even though a number of my reservations still stand. I still think it would make a better post-Nemesis series and I'd still like to have seen the Axanar version of the Human/Klingon war, but I feel they're genuinely trying to appeal to long-terms fans as well as a new generation (no pun intended).

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« Reply #475 on: 26 February, 2019, 06:51:48 pm »
I think I've de-Trekked, unfortunately.  It's just so Trek-lite.  Like the American Office, but in space with no humor.  I can see the strings.  They did a whole episode where the gill-faced tree-man was definitely going to die - he had this big death scene where his best friend was going to euthanize him (with only one minute's warning, which isn't very friendly or scientific) and then at the very moment of death it turned out that actually he was just a fucking hypochondriac and there was nothing wrong with him at all.  Bah!

And the Spock-dangle is just so annoying.  When he showed up sometimes in Next Gen it was a real treat, but to have this "He's just around the corner!  Keep watching - you might get some Spock!" wrenches me out of the world of Star Trek and into the world of television producers trying to make me keep watching their show about space.  It's like Lost ultimately being a bunch of shit where none of the dangles actually resolve into anything but air time, except this is worse because I have an emotional connection to Star Trek.

I tried.  I hope everyone else remains pleasantly surprised.  (Don't get me started on The Orville.)
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« Reply #476 on: 26 February, 2019, 07:45:58 pm »
I liked her at the start but since the actress has shown her comic chops it seems more and more of her character centres around being awkwardly funny. I initially liked her but I don't like the way the writers have developed her character so far.

That's a shame you see her that way.

For me she's also working as a contrast to the angst complexities of Burnham and the straight arrow Federationism of Pike. And plays well (and funny) against both.

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« Reply #477 on: 26 February, 2019, 07:53:50 pm »
Maybe you just didn't understand that one of the crew is from that planet so it's like ok. This show is crazy they leave that human colony behind because of General Order 1 but then they go and do this

Episode 6 was much better than 5. It still doesn't feel very Trek though. I was genuinely surprised by how little thought they gave to forcing a metamorphosis on an entire population, forever changing the culture of two sentient species. At least Tilly wasn't in it much (but her line about galaxy pie still made me want to punch someone).

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« Reply #478 on: 26 February, 2019, 11:10:28 pm »
Man you lot are harsh.

You should be in the "Grim Rumours" thread.

This thread is for people who were "Pleasantly surprised".
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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #479 on: 26 February, 2019, 11:24:21 pm »

Time for Trexit?