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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #105 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:32:28 pm »
True, this is why I am a bit conflicted in this regard.  Would a heterosexual couple acting in the same way have had the same affect on me?  I'd already figured out Stamets' orientation from his interaction with his old research partner so it wasn't much of a revelation.  Am I being unfair to the characterisation here?  Maybe.  As I say, it just jarred a little.  Sorry.

Well, I'm not trying to be a dick by asking. I'm just curious. The scene didn't seem much different to me from O'Brien and Keiko or Worf and Dax. I would assume (although how you'd avoid the promo material pointing out Stamets and the doctor are a gay couple) it might have been a surprise to someone out there watching.
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« Reply #106 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:34:01 pm »
TBH I have actually avoided all the promo material.

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« Reply #107 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:35:30 pm »
So did I.

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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #108 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:37:08 pm »
I miss the robot faced dude from the pilot whose head would flash the words "RED ALERT" on his face during an emergency. 

I was completely expecting something more like this:

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« Reply #109 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:37:21 pm »
Would really love to see more character of Lorca, even he did blew up his ship with crew.

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« Reply #110 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:38:48 pm »
Worf and Dax enjoyed a long and developing relationship - this was just, bam! There was no build up (unless I missed it).

Sorry. I know the question wasn't for me.

Yeah, I deleted that part. Didn't mean it to look so snappy, Sharky. That wasn't intended.

Yeah, DS9 showed us that for sure, and at 22 episodes over multiple seasons mostly concentrating on character development, it had the time to do that. We've less episodes with this one, and it's a show less concerned with ensemble so some of this stuff has to be a little more broad strokes. Everything in the scene tells us what we need to know about them and their relationship in a condensed form without making a big song and dance about it. If the writing's a little clunky, so be it. The message is more important.
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« Reply #111 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:41:50 pm »
But Lorca is totally supposed to come across that way. It can bother you in that you don't see it as becoming of a Starfleet Captain but I don't think it's a fault with the script.

Yeah. We are clearly supposed to regard Lorca as a man whose moral compass is seriously off, leading to the question of whether we are misjudging him, or whether Burnham's willingness to buck the chain of command is going to come into play again…
It comes into play every episode.And every episode she learns a lesson about it,but I digress...
Im not really buying that as a tough moral choice.He left a man(even if its Mudd) to be tortured and killed.Thats hard to justify.
And the whole thing about his last crew...are we suppose to care?

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« Reply #112 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:44:25 pm »
Sorry I snapped back, Blackmocco. Very un-Trekkie of me! (Maybe Lorca's my great-great-great-grandson...)
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« Reply #113 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:47:46 pm »
But Lorca is totally supposed to come across that way. It can bother you in that you don't see it as becoming of a Starfleet Captain but I don't think it's a fault with the script.

Yeah. We are clearly supposed to regard Lorca as a man whose moral compass is seriously off, leading to the question of whether we are misjudging him, or whether Burnham's willingness to buck the chain of command is going to come into play again…
It comes into play every episode.And every episode she learns a lesson about it,but I digress...
Im not really buying that as a tough moral choice.He left a man(even if its Mudd) to be tortured and killed.Thats hard to justify.
And the whole thing about his last crew...are we suppose to care?

A man who would have betrayed him at every turn to save himself, though. Mudd simply couldn't be trusted. Nonetheless, I think leaving him behind makes it clear we're supposed to be a little unsettled by Lorca. He's bereft of the morals and goodwill we usually associate with someone in his position on this show. All the better to create some drama and conflict.

Plus, they could only seat two in the LEXX fighter ship...! (Tyler actually says that to Mudd as they're leaving: "This was always a two-man job!" I assume in reference to the fighters being two-seaters.)
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Re: PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE NEW STAR TREK: DISCOVERY SERIES
« Reply #114 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:50:20 pm »
How the hell did he know he was going to find a two-seater during his escape? :|
You ninjad that while I was writing.Yeah,not buying that either.
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« Reply #115 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:51:17 pm »
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« Reply #116 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:51:41 pm »
How the hell did he know he was going to find a two-seater during his escape? :|

Indeed. I have a feeling Tyler isn't exactly who he says he is. Could be wrong, though.
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« Reply #117 on: 18 October, 2017, 07:53:17 pm »
How the hell did he know he was going to find a two-seater during his escape? :|

Indeed. I have a feeling Tyler isn't exactly who he says he is.
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« Reply #118 on: 18 October, 2017, 08:00:22 pm »
The captains we're familiar with would have put Mudd and Whatsisname on the two-man fighter and stayed behind (except that Whatsisname would have been killed before launching so the captain would have escaped anyway). Also, Lorca killing his entire previous crew and surviving seems unlikely as well. How would an officer who did that remain a captain in Starfleet? That just leaves a bad taste.
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« Reply #119 on: 18 October, 2017, 08:04:07 pm »
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