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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #15 on: 11 January, 2019, 06:44:36 pm »
the portrayal of Stannis is a particular sore point - he's a standout fan-favourite character in the books, but the show's writers never really got a grasp on what makes him compelling

Really?! I've read all the books and I can barely remember him.
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« Reply #16 on: 11 January, 2019, 06:57:49 pm »
At least the declinging quality of story telling in GoT later series means I have some incentive to buy the books if and when they arrive - that's if I can bring myself to revisit Feast of Crows onwards to remind myself who Griff etc are!

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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #17 on: 11 January, 2019, 07:05:18 pm »
At least the declinging quality of story telling in GoT later series means I have some incentive to buy the books if and when they arrive - that's if I can bring myself to revisit Feast of Crows onwards to remind myself who Griff etc are!

Again: really? If ever I wanted to see an example of the Law of Diminishing Returns, it's reading the Song of Ice & Fire (aka GoT) books.

The reason why the TV series takes such liberties with the later books is because there's very little plot, drawn out over hundreds of pages. This is not to defend the writing choices the writers did make, merely an observation that the later books are pretty thin pickings. I have literally no desire to read the final (?) book if and when GRRM deigns to finish it.
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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #18 on: 11 January, 2019, 07:24:33 pm »
I would have felt the same, Jim, if it wasnt for how badly plotted the last series was - it will take some reversal for the series to have a satisfying ending , so I'm left clutching at the books in the hope of piecing together some enjoyment out of the latter half of the tale

the portrayal of Stannis is a particular sore point - he's a standout fan-favourite character in the books, but the show's writers never really got a grasp on what makes him compelling

Really?! I've read all the books and I can barely remember him.
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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #19 on: 11 January, 2019, 07:40:52 pm »
I have very much come round on the later books. I - like most people - didn't much care for them on first reading but I love them now. While they still have some epic 'wtf' moments*, they are dense and are generally more concerned with the characters internal struggles and dilemnas than they are with exciting plot twists. They also include very important character development for Dany and Jon who, having both ascended to power in the previous books, now have to grapple with the politics of ruling and attempting to win the peace (and both failing in their own ways).

A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons, taken together (they were originally intended as one book) are also quite deliberately slower paced to represent the lull between the cataclysmic events of the opening trilogy, whereas the intended next book (The Winds of Winter) will see things gathering pace for the big finale (for a start, it's opening chapters will essentially comprise two giant battles). They aren't page turners in the same sense, but I very much disagree with the common opinion that Martin has 'lost control' over the narrative. I fully understand why some people struggle with the Dorne and Iron islands plots in A Feast for Crows - I did at first - but there is a lot of meat on the bones and the books are well worth revisiting.

Having said all that, I totally understand the need to pare them down for TV adaptation, I just think the TV show writers have badly floundered in how they have handled things, especially concerning Stannis and the farcical Dorne storyline.

*Like the Daznak's Pit scene (where Dany escapes from the Gladiator stadium on the back of Drogon) which imo the show totally bungled and is so much cooler and frankly more metal as it plays out in the books.

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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #20 on: 11 January, 2019, 10:09:49 pm »
I enjoy Game of Thrones - the books and the series.  But I don't understand why he's written a history book (Fire & Blood), except that clearly he's got some form of writer's block with The Winds of Winter.  And I don't understand why everyone is standing still facing in the same direction here:



Did they sail all the way to Westeros like that?  Didn't they get cold?  Hadn't they been on a ship before?  What are they looking at?  "It's only a model" etc.
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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #21 on: 11 January, 2019, 10:16:33 pm »


Did they sail all the way to Westeros like that?  Didn't they get cold?  Hadn't they been on a ship before?  What are they looking at?  "It's only a model" etc.

They have dragons.

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« Reply #22 on: 12 January, 2019, 01:31:10 am »
Yeah, I never really saw the thing about Stannis in the show. I kept hearing how he was supposed to be this awesome character. All I ever got the impression of that he was a weak, pussywhipped gobshite that had plans and executed them like an utter moron, getting people killed. How anyone followed him on the show is beyond me.

As for this prequel, hopefully it just does its own thing, because most things that are remotely successful and have spin-offs that try to capture what made the original brilliant ends up failing.

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Re: Game of Thrones prequel
« Reply #23 on: 12 January, 2019, 09:07:39 am »
This what I'm hoping for from a reread - I didn't strugglw with the later books as much as I feared I would given what I'd heard. and foudn the ongoing stories of the characters I knew near as compelling as I had always.  The new characters not so much, and with the TV ignoring them completely or giving their plotws to others, I would need to reread to get everything straight -I wouldnt put it past a second read to be a much better experience


I have very much come round on the later books. I - like most people - didn't much care for them on first reading but I love them now. While they still have some epic 'wtf' moments*, they are dense and are generally more concerned with the characters internal struggles and dilemnas than they are with exciting plot twists. They also include very important character development for Dany and Jon who, having both ascended to power in the previous books, now have to grapple with the politics of ruling and attempting to win the peace (and both failing in their own ways).

A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons, taken together (they were originally intended as one book) are also quite deliberately slower paced to represent the lull between the cataclysmic events of the opening trilogy, whereas the intended next book (The Winds of Winter) will see things gathering pace for the big finale (for a start, it's opening chapters will essentially comprise two giant battles). They aren't page turners in the same sense, but I very much disagree with the common opinion that Martin has 'lost control' over the narrative. I fully understand why some people struggle with the Dorne and Iron islands plots in A Feast for Crows - I did at first - but there is a lot of meat on the bones and the books are well worth revisiting.

Having said all that, I totally understand the need to pare them down for TV adaptation, I just think the TV show writers have badly floundered in how they have handled things, especially concerning Stannis and the farcical Dorne storyline.

*Like the Daznak's Pit scene (where Dany escapes from the Gladiator stadium on the back of Drogon) which imo the show totally bungled and is so much cooler and frankly more metal as it plays out in the books.