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Colin YNWA

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Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« on: 03 May, 2020, 04:59:30 PM »
So to celebrate my 608th week on this forum... or my 14535th post (christ I must of had something better to do in those 140 months???) I've decided to revisit one of the things that was running when I first joined and hopefully folks will join in - lets see.

When I joined Roger 'Alas departed' Godpleton was running a tourney* (I think they are called) to see who was 2000ad's favourite writer and I felt it was long since time we revisited that idea. With some changes.

So soon to start (hopefully if this gets traction) will be a tourney with 32 writers to see who will face off against Wagner - but first we will need to get our 32 competitors. 27 slots have gone already determined by nicking the hard work of our own AlexF** and 'Heroes of 2000ad Blogspot' and using his data (un-updated as I'm far to lazy) to find the 27 writers whose work has appeared most often. To determine the remaining five places I've decided to run qualifiers of 20 others who missed out either just, as they are 'rookies' - well just started working for Tharg at least (and just can be a number of years now!) or might be known more as an artist etc. We'll start with those and see how they go.

If you have gone this far you'll properly be willing to bear with me while I explain:

RULES

1. MOST IMPORTANTLY - any writer who has got this far is an better writer than we will ever be and so even if you really don't like someones work (which is fine) keep it lovely like I know you can.

2. Each day I will start a new thread with a Face-off between two writers - the writer to get the most votes after 7 days will progress to the next round.

2. For each 'face off' I will have a thread to collect votes (and comments about the writers involved work) simple write the name of the writer you want to win that 'face-off' at the top of a post - feel free to say what you will after that but it will help me (see being lazy above) if you write the name of your vote at the top of the comment.

3. I will count up votes in each round after 7 days - 1 week - of starting it and annouce the winner in that thread - once I've done that feel free to add but your vote won't count and you might be charged (if I can work out how to charge you (?!)

4. In the event of a tie I will have the casting vote - cos ya know I'm self absorbed

5. We are voting for favourite, not best - so how much you like their body of work WRITING, not editing etc - that will be important, particularly in qualifying as you'll see - You can do that anyway you want. I'm going with quality of their work first, with quantity as a secondary factor. You can do it based on hpow lovely their hair is if you wish!

6. For the qualifying we'll have the following format:

a. The twenty qualifies (picked by me if I missed anyone blah bad luck them - sorry!) have been drawn a random using a random name picker thingie I found online. 5 qualifiers will take five slots against the current 27 automatic qualifiers
b. The qualifiers will therefore need to get through two rounds - first 10 'face-offs' to get us down to 10 - these ten will get another random draw for another qualifiying round to get us down to 5 to go to the main event.

6. Anything thing I've forgotten I'll make up as we go along.

I've hopefully found a nice little Tourney thing online for the last 32 to display that properly and do seedings and what not. But I've still to play with that...

Anyway enough first Face off will appear tomorrow Monday 4th May - mark the date...

*Example of Roger's inspiring work https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=23216.15

** AlexF's glorious work http://heroesof2000ad.blogspot.com/

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #1 on: 07 May, 2020, 08:27:15 AM »
Late to the party, as ever, but always excited for this kind of voting-based tourney!
Although I haven't updated my blog for nearly a year (oops), I have been updating the baseline stats I'm using.
For the record, the current list of the top 27 most-prolific contributing 2000AD/Megazine/associated tie-in comics and Specials are:

John Wagner
Alan Grant
Pat Mills
Dan Abnett
Gordon Rennie
Robbie Morrison
Ian Edginton
Gerry Finley-Day
John Smith
Rob Williams
Garth Ennis
Peter Milligan
Alan McKenzie
Mark Millar
Si Spurrier
Kek-W
Cat Sullivan (Droid Life has been going a long time, y'all)
Tom Tully
Grant Morrison
Michael Carroll
Alan Hebden
Al Ewing
Alan Moore
John Tomlinson
Steve Moore
Michael Fleisher (Go on Colin, pair him up against Mark Millar, pretty please, the world needs to know the most hated 2000AD writer of all time)
Arthur Wyatt

(With TC Eglington and Alec Worley doing their damndest to catch him)

Colin YNWA

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #2 on: 07 May, 2020, 08:40:21 AM »
Thanks AlexF.

Arh I very nervously took that list to my list of automatic qualifiers and I'm pretty close, a couple of exceptions aside were folks towards the bottom are going through qualifying that would be automatic on your updated list AND I've just realised a couple of names I've missed off the qualifies - damn damn damn - some quick adjustment might be needed here hold on...

One thing I will say is as I'm not counting Wagner in this as he would just stomp everyone - I'll do a world club filed type thing at the end if this holds interest there is a surprise entry in the qualifies (don't spoil the surprise if you work it out) based on my original run through your site AlexF...

...anyway I'm just going to have a quick look if there's an obvious swop I need to make in my qualifiers list...

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #3 on: 07 May, 2020, 09:18:18 AM »
Bollocks I'm a numb nut.

To correct some errors and to be fair (like they care!) to the writers I've actually dropped the indulgence I'd added to the automatic qualifers. I've now dropped a writer whose ability to create short and pithy pieces of writing has seen him appear in the Prog more often than some other automatic entries. A writers whose work here we should never under estimate and one who frankly will have earnt a small fortune in Heroclix and graphic novels - however I felt it unfair to cost a more ... official name their place. So may I publicaly now apologise to

Stephen Watson (of Paisley)

as he's lost his place in the competition.

Please forgive me you fine example of a man and a writer.

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #4 on: 07 May, 2020, 01:58:41 PM »
 :D

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #5 on: 08 May, 2020, 10:07:08 AM »
Chortle!

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #6 on: 11 May, 2020, 04:02:40 PM »
We all know Buttonman wins...
Maybe re-title this as 'Ultimate 3rd place after Wagner & Watson'?*






*Y'know... Wagner & Watson has a real ring to it. A private detective double-act from the mid sixties, who specialise in various arcane.... um... things.

You get the gist!


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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #7 on: 11 May, 2020, 04:16:06 PM »
*Y'know... Wagner & Watson has a real ring to it. A private detective double-act from the mid sixties, who specialise in various arcane.... um... things.

Or maybe going with John Wagner self description as 'the one who looks like a bent copper, it would be the hilarious misadventures of a bent 70s cop and his dapper criminal chum whose trying to go straight while seeking to become a food critic.

The public would lap it up!

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #8 on: 14 May, 2020, 06:46:44 AM »
So no new face off today - I miss it already BUT I'm preparing for second round of Qualifying already which will start in a week. There will be five face off to get the final 5 to join the 27 already in the tournment proper.

One change I think I'm going to do is reduce the length of the face offs from 7 days to 3 days to rattle things along a bit more. Any thoughts either way on that.

Can I also say thanks to the folks engaging with this. I wasn't sure it would gain traction but chuffed it has and seems to have encouraged folks to discuss creators who they may not have thought about for a while. Well done folks.

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #9 on: 14 May, 2020, 07:05:56 AM »
I am enjoying it thanks for the effort you put in  :thumbsup:

Colin YNWA

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #10 on: 14 May, 2020, 07:32:07 AM »
I am enjoying it thanks for the effort you put in  :thumbsup:

Well its not much effort - hence all the mistakes!

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #11 on: 14 May, 2020, 09:25:30 AM »
Thanks from the two-storey brain also, as, despite your humility Colin, it does take some effort to post the links, count the votes etc., and I'm having a lot of fun with this.

I also think that a three-day window is an acceptable time for voting from the next round, as they'll be plenty more voting to come.

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #12 on: 14 May, 2020, 07:43:54 PM »
Bollocks I'm a numb nut.

Stephen Watson (of Paisley)

as he's lost his place in the competition.

Please forgive me you fine example of a man and a writer.

Oh FFS - this is why my ears have been burning - sorry Head & Shoulders complaints department.

If I mentioned that I'd actually appeared in 102 issues would that help? (Reader Profile and Editor mention).

I am happy to put my oeuvre up against many of the greats - bring on 'Invasion 1990' and 'Death Planet' (original only).

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #13 on: 15 May, 2020, 06:58:53 AM »
I also think that a three-day window is an acceptable time for voting from the next round, as they'll be plenty more voting to come.

Thanks abelardsnazz, showing a surprising non-robotic dose of sense three days will make it fizz along I think.

Oh FFS - this is why my ears have been burning - sorry Head & Shoulders complaints department.

If I mentioned that I'd actually appeared in 102 issues would that help? (Reader Profile and Editor mention).

I am happy to put my oeuvre up against many of the greats - bring on 'Invasion 1990' and 'Death Planet' (original only).

The trouble in when I looked at it you were such a titan in your choosen field that I thought, like Wagner, you'd kill the field. Also was concerned people might be swung, even subconsiously by your life style journalism. If its any consolation I didn't include my three appearances in the Prog, nor will I if I get to artists.

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Re: Ultimate Not Wagner Tournament (self-absorbed remix)
« Reply #14 on: 15 May, 2020, 07:16:06 AM »
*Y'know... Wagner & Watson has a real ring to it. A private detective double-act from the mid sixties, who specialise in various arcane.... um... things.

Or maybe going with John Wagner self description as 'the one who looks like a bent copper, it would be the hilarious misadventures of a bent 70s cop and his dapper criminal chum whose trying to go straight while seeking to become a food critic.

The public would lap it up!

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