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Jumping the gun somewhat, I know but:
IF there were to be a sequel/franchise of unlimited budget, that you, dear thread-peruser had creative control over...what way would you like to see it go?

Personally (and bear in mind this is pure fantasy), I'd like to see an anarchic approach, with different actors/directors and writers,tweaking the costume and re-inventing JD and mega city every time: perhaps a Brendan McCarthy instalment done via roto-scope ( a la 'A Scanner Darkly') for one film, a Terry Gilliam 'Brazil' dystopia, the next: Storywise, I'd want something from the point of view of Marlon Shakespeare,America Jara or Beeny Bennet, something 'street-level' looking up.

What ideas do you guys have?

I've mentioned this before so sorry if I bore ya but I would like the following.

Dredd 2.

Fink,but greatly expanded upon,lots of flashbacks detailing how Dredd took on the Angle Gang then the other half of the film have Fink extract his revenge.The finale in Resyk would look crazy on the big screen.
Give fink the Seven victim treatment.
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Dredd 3.

A bastard cross between Midnight Surfer/America and Total war.Hover boards a must,no 'real world' excuses.
Basically Super Surf seven with the Total war nukes going off,Dredd must 'catch' Chopper because he's his only lead to the Total War cell's.Chop can give the viewer the different point of view whilst flipping to Dredds point and his unrelenting 'war on terror' angle....or something.


Money no object. Block War/Apocalypse War directed by Ridley Scott in Black Hawk mode...hardcore as fek.

Nice.

The purposeful introduction/set-up of Anderson and PSI-powers in the first film may have an arc yet to be disclosed. If Anderson's a popular character, she'll likely be back, whether as a vessel for Death or as an instrument for the most intimate/invasive surveillance of the Mega-citizens leading to Anderson's emotional upheaval; either is up for grabs.


Future arc inclusive of all the above elements and a big-fantasy-budget:

Involving Anderson in an aspect of the infiltration of the democratic uprising, including the inherent conflict of empathic emotions she would endure from emotionally surveilling the cits, maybe Anderson goes 'native'. Dredd concurrently proceeds with his merciless crackdown on the Dems as portrayed in Letter from a Democrat/Revolution.

As pure fan-tasy it could lead to either of these ultimate and outlandish conclusions: the Dead Man/Necropolis -including the return of Anderson- or Total War/America.



There's plenty of stories I'd love to see, including an Origins -never happen- type thing.



Otherwise I'd prefer if they just did new stories written for the screen.

Well, I'm all about the Angel Gang for a sequel. I feel like the core of the Judge Child saga could be stripped of its interstellar elements and blended with The Cursed Earth. Anderson's a PSI so easy to have her roped in. Introduce Hershey and Spikes Harvey Rotten, a land raider, genetically-resurrected tyrannosaurs, crazed war robots and send them off into the wasteland. Kill everything, blow everything up. Dredd lurching through a sandstorm near death. Fucking awesome.

After that, still can't see the Dark Judges working in this take but has to be some take on Block Mania/Total War after that. Throw Fink into the mix, as stated above.

Joe:
Anderson's definately a great character to have included in 'DREDD' in terms of audience-empathy (visible face)and 'developability' (coz lets face it,-we don't want Joe to go on any odyssey of self-discovery anytime soon), I'd completely agree that tailor-made stories for the films would be the way to go rather than  trying to faithfully reproduce anything from the strip: but there are elements, like ' DanboJohnJ' suggestion of 'Resyk' that I reckon would workvery well cinematically, and would love to see incorporated.
Blackmocco
I love the gang and if the '95 JD had any saving grace, it showed how the great Mean Machine can really work as a design: but Spikes Harvey Rotten kinda belongs to the spirit of '78 to me (personally...).

I'd combine elements of The Day the Law Died and Judge Death Lives. Insane head of SJS with latent psychic abilities (perhaps awakened after a horrific, disfiguring injury) assassinates the Chief Judge and assumes control of Justice Department. With the aid of his apparent supernatural abilities and invulnerability, he styles himself 'Judge Death' (the SJS uniforms with their skull emblems becoming the standard uniform of his lieutenants the 'Dark Judges') and begins to institute increasingly harsh laws until the slums are basically turned into concentration camps. A small band of judges - including Dredd and Anderson - rebel and lead the fightback, with the citizens caught in the crossfire.

I'd also like to see a take on the 'Democracy' arc though it would probably be problematic to put on screen - perhaps a blend of the human drama of America with the high-stakes, ticking-clock, huge scale action of Total War - a tense thriller where the audience's sympathies constantly flit between the judges and the terrorists. The ambiguous morality of Dredd is something I'd really like to see explored on film.

Surely this should be the 'Fantasy Sequel Thredd'...      ::)

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
I'd combine elements of The Day the Law Died and Judge Death Lives. Insane head of SJS with latent psychic abilities (perhaps awakened after a horrific, disfiguring injury) assassinates the Chief Judge and assumes control of Justice Department. With the aid of his apparent supernatural abilities and invulnerability, he styles himself 'Judge Death' (the SJS uniforms with their skull emblems becoming the standard uniform of his lieutenants the 'Dark Judges') and begins to institute increasingly harsh laws until the slums are basically turned into concentration camps. A small band of judges - including Dredd and Anderson - rebel and lead the fightback, with the citizens caught in the crossfire.

If it's that convoluted just to get Death in and make believable, why bother? Just do a different story or go balls-out with a slightly altered Judge Death story.

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 08:34:07 PM

I'd also like to see a take on the 'Democracy' arc though it would probably be problematic to put on screen - perhaps a blend of the human drama of America with the high-stakes, ticking-clock, huge scale action of Total War - a tense thriller where the audience's sympathies constantly flit between the judges and the terrorists. The ambiguous morality of Dredd is something I'd really like to see explored on film.

There are several ways to do this and for it not to be a complete bastardisation of the stories.

Quote from: Fisticuffs on 27 June, 2012, 08:36:37 PM
Surely this should be the 'Fantasy Sequel Thredd'...      ::)

Can't use, that domain's been taken for the second sequel after Twedd.

I'd like to see a Brit-Cit crossover..incorporating Armitage coming over to the Meg to investigate the death of a Wally Squad member..we could see Frank..Zero..and Brit-Cit Judges all in one film

Sex

While we're in full fantasy mode, how about a prequel? Booths election rigging and Fargos rise and fall-a'la 'origins'? Ive always been fascinated by the untold story of the beginnings of MC1, and 'Origins' didn't really satisfy my curiosity as much as i would have liked. But a Young Dredd? Could it work? Maybe as a flashback segment to flesh out Dredds past a little?

QuoteIf it's that convoluted just to get Death in and make believable, why bother? Just do a different story or go balls-out with a slightly altered Judge Death story.

Never understood this mentality. I Like Judge Death, but his origin story sucks. Seeing as this movie Dredd is deviating quite heavily from the source material, why not an entirely fresh take on Judge Death? I'd be very interested to see what Garland would do with the character.

What about Call Me Kenneth!!!!  :o

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 08:51:15 PM

Never understood this mentality. I Like Judge Death, but his origin story sucks. Seeing as this movie Dredd is deviating quite heavily from the source material, why not an entirely fresh take on Judge Death? I'd be very interested to see what Garland would do with the character.

I wouldn't say Dredd is deviating heavily, the characters aren't altered, the city is still pretty much Mega; it's just ignoring most of what it doesn't need to explain rather than being contradictory.

Since Death is a fairly fantastical character either way, why does where he originate from need changing? Best to do something else than change it substantially just to fit some vague verite idea.

I'm supportive of taking characters from the comics and putting them on-screen but subtantial alterations of character I think are pointless, just be creative and do something new.

QuoteI wouldn't say Dredd is deviating heavily

And I would say - granted I haven't seen the finished film - that DREDD is a fairly loose adaptation as these things go.

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Since Death is a fairly fantastical character either way, why does where he originate from need changing? Best to do something else than change it substantially just to fit some vague verite idea.

In the Batman comics Ra's Al Ghul is an immortal 'international assassin' who wears fruity clothing, rocks a mean sideburn/'tache, is immortal and has lived for hundreds of years.

I like what they did with the character in Batman Begins, drastically altering his origin and appearance to fit into the type of film they were making.

Seriously though..Call Me Kenneth and the Robot Wars story is made for the big screen

Think I-Robot in Mega City One

If they bring Judge Death into it, then it should be a horror movie, somewhere around 'The Thing' meets 'Alien' ;)

Some of the stuff I remember reading definitely had a fantasy/horror theme to it. We're already getting hard R rated action film, I don't think a hard R rated horror would be a stretch

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 08:34:07 PMI'd also like to see a take on the 'Democracy' arc though it would probably be problematic to put on screen - perhaps a blend of the human drama of America with the high-stakes, ticking-clock, huge scale action of Total War - a tense thriller where the audience's sympathies constantly flit between the judges and the terrorists. The ambiguous morality of Dredd is something I'd really like to see explored on film.

This is absolutely what I want to see. America+Total War. I think its scope would raise the stakes as a sequel should. And tell an inherently human story as Judge Dredd should. Hell, the title markets itself; Dredd: TOTAL WAR

Not sure about a third film. I'd take Judge Death, as since the Total War film will have done the 'city on the brink of annihilation by conventional weapons/people thing.

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 09:10:04 PM


And I would say - granted I haven't seen the finished film - that DREDD is a fairly loose adaptation as these things go.


In the Batman comics Ra's Al Ghul is an immortal 'international assassin' who wears fruity clothing, rocks a mean sideburn/'tache, is immortal and has lived for hundreds of years.

I like what they did with the character in Batman Begins, drastically altering his origin and appearance to fit into the type of film they were making.

I'd say the Stallone film deviated heavily but not the new one.

I think the Nolan Batman films are a greater extrapolation -or reduction- from the comic Batman than Dredd is of Dredd. If Dredd adopted the realism of Nolan's construct Anderson wouldn't be a PSI.

Quote from: Beeks on 27 June, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
Seriously though..Call Me Kenneth and the Robot Wars story is made for the big screen

Think I-Robot in Mega City One

It'd be fantastic fun but robots as enemies don't always make great central villains, then again you never know.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 27 June, 2012, 09:16:47 PM

Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2012, 08:34:07 PMI'd also like to see a take on the 'Democracy' arc though it would probably be problematic to put on screen - perhaps a blend of the human drama of America with the high-stakes, ticking-clock, huge scale action of Total War - a tense thriller where the audience's sympathies constantly flit between the judges and the terrorists. The ambiguous morality of Dredd is something I'd really like to see explored on film.

This is absolutely what I want to see. America+Total War. I think its scope would raise the stakes as a sequel should. And tell an inherently human story as Judge Dredd should. Hell, the title markets itself; Dredd: TOTAL WAR

Yes! I always thought that America with an Action Total War Twist would be perfect for a movie.

Me being employed on it it probably the least plausable  :lol: :lol: :lol:

We'll vouch for ya.

I think a serial killer hunt movie like Silence of the Lambs/Seven would be awesome. Dredd and Anderson team up again to hunt down a mysterious killer (later to revealed to be Judge Death)

Could get to see a lot more of Mega City One that way too.

I do like the look of Karl Urban now, but I still wouldn't mind if they used sequels to get as many different people to play Judge Dredd as possible. Every movie could be a different actor.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 27 June, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
Every movie could be a different actor.

but would they keep the 'elmet on?

Of course! That's the only way the different actors would work in my opinion.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 27 June, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
I think a serial killer hunt movie like Silence of the Lambs/Seven would be awesome. Dredd and Anderson team up again to hunt down a mysterious killer (later to revealed to be Judge Death)

Could be the hunt for leftie.




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Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 June, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
Me being employed on it it probably the least plausable  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just keep schtum this time...

Or perhaps they could pay you to run a Peter Jackson style V-log.    ;)

Logically taking it outdoors would be a start. I reckon D2 would be shifting the focus from Dredd himself towards Big Meg..

Quote from: Anderson's Shame on 27 June, 2012, 09:55:01 PM

Just keep schtum this time...

Or perhaps they could pay you to run a Peter Jackson style V-log.    ;)

One day I'll tell you what really happened in a pub near you..

Would a virtual pub do?

I like the idea of a story involving the angel gang. More fantastical characters like the Dark Judges don't seem to fit well with this world, and I agree with Joe that, rather than reinvent them, we'd be better off using other material.

Robot wars and Mechanismo would fit, however they're not terribly original concepts. A Mechanismo story would look like a rip-off of RoboCop 2, and Spielberg's forthcoming Robopocalypse is going to saturate the robot-revolution genre for the immediate future.

Judge Grice could be turned into something interesting. Forget the Grice of Purgatory and Inferno, focus on the original non-crazy character. Instead of resisting Dredd's attempts at liberalisation (which wouldn't work without the whole Democracy backstory), he could be pushing for excessively harsh crack--downs. When Dredd opts for the status quo, Grice attempts his assassination and makes a bid for power. Cue civil war, fighting in the street - and make sure Walter gets introduced somewhere along the line. . . 

For Dredd 2 I very much like the idea of America - Total War that several posters have already mentioned. I could also imagine The Cursed Earth.

As for another sequel: JUDGE DEATH, JUDGE FIRE, JUDGE FEAR, JUDGE MORTIS. A bit of imagination and good judgment is all it takes and these villains would go down in cinematic history.

Keeping it simple...The Apocolypse War ftw

Quote from: daviebond on 28 June, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Keeping it simple...The Apocolypse War ftw

I dunno, I don't think the world developed in this film would suit that. In the comic, pre-war Mega City 1 was a bloated, overpopulated sprawl that the Sovs proceeded to half-demolish. The movie Mega City already looks half demolished. Might work for movie #3, but we need at least one more film developing things before we start tearing them down.

Quote from: Beeks on 27 June, 2012, 08:52:10 PMWhat about Call Me Kenneth!!!!  :o

Quote from: Beeks on 27 June, 2012, 09:11:51 PMSeriously though..Call Me Kenneth and the Robot Wars story is made for the big screen

Think I-Robot in Mega City One

I'm with you on that one.  I'd really hoped they'd be able to include robots in the upcoming movie, specifically to allow Call Me Kenneth or the Heavy Metal Kid some screen-time.  Just imagine...  That would work so well, even as a fairly throwaway scene.

One thing I'm curious about regarding the Dredd film is the tech-level, and how that might open up or curtail potential follow-up storylines.  No hover-boards, lasers, robots, , face-changing, aliens, muties, Gila Munja..?

Quote from: vzzbux on 27 June, 2012, 09:53:53 PM

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 27 June, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
I think a serial killer hunt movie like Silence of the Lambs/Seven would be awesome. Dredd and Anderson team up again to hunt down a mysterious killer (later to revealed to be Judge Death)

Could be the hunt for leftie.

Some elements of the Graveyard Shift would be fantastic, that's for sure (Leftie being my favourite sequence).

Howzabout this one:

The Warlord
Now there's a story that would work insanely well as a high-octane standalone action flick, and would incorporate some fantastic elements.  Consider the following:

+ A clear central villain with a not-overcomplicated plot
+ Giant, supernatural Samurai warriors
+ Psi-Judges and Psi-Amplification
+ H-wagons (being taken out with giant bows and arrows)
+ Dredd going on a 'journey' beloved of Hollywood - given up for dead but still prevails
+ Giant, supernatural Samurai warriors
+ Dramatic conclusion involving death of Omar and McGruder stepping down

It'd be great.

Some combination of Doomsday and Mechanismo might work well, with Nero Narcos as the bad guy behind sabotage of the Judges' equipment and the robot Judges going haywire.

Can I make my tiresome and mirthless joke about Karl Heinz-Pilchards-In-Tomato-Sauce Clayderman again? Yes? No?

Fuck it -

I hope the villain in the sequel is Karl Heinz-Pilchards-In-Tomato-Sauce Clayderman!!! Remember him? Ho Ho! Imagine that!!! Karl Heinz-Pilchards-In-Tomato-Sauce Clayderman on the big screen. It would be highly amusing not to mention extremely unlikely!!!

But really though, I'd love to see Chopper in the sequel.

Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 June, 2012, 10:00:49 AMBut really though, I'd love to see Chopper in the sequel.

Chopper would be great, but would confuse the hell out of people in a fils with Dredd.  "He's the good guy, right?  But I thought Dredd was the good guy!  Is Dredd the bad guy?  I'm so conflicted!  I don't understand this!  I'm scared - make it stop!"

Thinking about this some more, quite a few of my favourite Dredd stories are ones where Dredd's not the central focus, or at least somewhat peripheral, so will never get a film treatment and are therefore perfect Fantasy Dredd Film material.

Consider the following list of earlyish stuff off the top of my head that falls into this category:

UnAmerican Graffiti
Shanty Town
The Mega-Rackets series
Magnificent Obsession
The Big Sleep
Midnight Surfer
Kenny Who?
The Witness
The Haunting of Sector House 9
PJ Maybe

I would love to see The Pit on-screen, but it involves Dredd doing a desk job while supporting characters get much of the focus and the ending isn't particularly dramatic.

Would make an awesome basis for a Dredd TV series, though, if we're talking fantasy spin-offs.

Quote from: a chosen rider on 28 June, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
Some combination of Doomsday and Mechanismo might work well, with Nero Narcos as the bad guy behind sabotage of the Judges' equipment and the robot Judges going haywire.

Judges against robot-Judges? Are you really that keen to see the cries of "The Raid rip-off!!" replaced with "RoboCop rip-off!!"? Masochist! :D

Maybe we should just go with Judgement Day. Everyone loves zombies, right! Yay, zombies! Comical wisecracking badguy magician with comical talking cloak! Mutant Bounty Hunter from alternate future! Various radical stereotypes acting all racial! Shotguns with dumb macho names! Zombies! Zombies!

Or not.

Is Judge Dredd a Hero or Villain? Nice question but is a Film really the best medium to explore that? The comics have had a long run of dealing with this issue and probably have done it better than any Film could.

DREDD works best for an audience who know that he's a tough even merciless Cop but the alternative is usually something much worse. I think some DEM movement set off Nuclear weapons to try and discredit the Judge System only to end up being so despised by the citizens of Mega City 1 they overwhelming backed the Judges.

Better Justice Depts Kevlar fists to the promise of freedom they'd allegedly be given by liberators happy to liquidate them by the million. Good satire in a comic not so good for Movie audiences expecting something a little bit different from the original. Familiar but bigger is what they usually want!  :-\

Quote from: ming on 28 June, 2012, 09:32:30 AM

One thing I'm curious about regarding the Dredd film is the tech-level, and how that might open up or curtail potential follow-up storylines.  No hover-boards, lasers, robots, , face-changing, aliens, muties, Gila Munja..?

I agree. This movie looks so low-tech and down-to-earth, it hard to imagine supernatural forces, hoverboards etc fitting in. Dredd the strip was pretty much anything goes, at least in the early years, everything from wizards to alien tourists being thrown into the mix. This movie? Not so much.

Despite the unlimited budget I would still keep it simple and use a  sequel to establish Dredds world in a wider context.

I would combine Origins with the Graveyard Shift -thus why the Judges exist and demonstrate why they were needed. You could also introduce lots more of the crazier elements of Dredds world as he works through his shift -boing, sky surfers, fatties, scrawlers, wreckers, organ leggers -the main villain would be PJ Maybe.

Rather than a narrow focus this approach gives more depth to the other main character which is Mega City One itself.

I would tell 40 five minute stories, each one based on a particular prog, and each one designed and actualised to look like the work of a different artist. Dredd would battle the starborn thing looking like an early ezquerra, drive off and then skid into close-up looking like he's based on kevin o'neill, and face varks. It would all be in 3D, would be screamingly funny, full of great gags. Id do sob story, the stupid gun, citizen snork, judge death... a bit of everything basically, except the epics.

The five hour director's cut on blu-ray though, would include the sov invasion and aftermath.

SBT

When is this Kickstarter project scheduled?

Do "The Cursed Earth" or "The Apocalypse War".

Obviously.

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 June, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
I would tell 40 five minute stories, each one based on a particular prog, and each one designed and actualised to look like the work of a different artist. Dredd would battle the starborn thing looking like an early ezquerra, drive off and then skid into close-up looking like he's based on kevin o'neill, and face varks. It would all be in 3D, would be screamingly funny, full of great gags. Id do sob story, the stupid gun, citizen snork, judge death... a bit of everything basically, except the epics.

The five hour director's cut on blu-ray though, would include the sov invasion and aftermath.

SBT

Brilliant :D

Even one Vark ("Vark!") would be worth the price of the ticket.

And you've hit on something: the epics get all the hype, but the gold is in the "normal" stories.

That Mark Millar story where Dredd got a new bike.

or the Al Ewing/Roach/McCarthy one where he got a new uniform.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 June, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
or the Al Ewing/Roach/McCarthy one where he got a new uniform.

We can agree Dredd needs to get a new something, then. Maybe he and Anderson could find a magic whistle?

Nero Narcos' Frendz gang takes on a sector house as a show of force. Exploding Lawgivers, a tense siege mentality, robots going haywire - it'd be a sort of Dredd take on the original Assault On Precinct 13, with Dredd having to cobble together a resistance. The ending would be a totally balls-put retaliation with Dredd storming Narcos's mansion.

If this thing makes bank on a small budget it's probably still going to set out lean budgets for future sequels. I like the idea of gritty, small, personal stories vs unbridled fanwank anyway.

Quote from: jamesedwards on 29 June, 2012, 01:30:12 AM
...The ending would be a totally balls-put retaliation with Dredd storming Narcos's mansion.

Sounds like a Rip-off of 'The Raid'.( always with the jokes-me ) But seriously folks, thinking about this:

Quote from: jamesedwards on 29 June, 2012, 01:30:12 AM
I like the idea of gritty, small, personal stories vs unbridled fanwank anyway.

and this...

Quote from: Syne on 28 June, 2012, 12:03:29 PM
... the epics get all the hype, but the gold is in the "normal" stories.

The epics do lend themselves to the notion of a screen-writing 'arc' far better than the six-page, self-contained, 'slice-of-life-in-the-big-meg' stories:

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 June, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
...40 five minute stories, each one based on a particular prog...

That idea, while a faithful recreation of prog-reading, might make a very difficult-to-watch film, I think.  One of the things that impressed me so much about the story, that Mr Garland wrote, was its deceptive simplicity and how smart it was to[spoiler]have a rookie version of Anderson as our 'in'*(by that I mean slightly out of their depth character, that can have some things explained to them and the audience at the same time[/spoiler]
Much as I might wish to impart the joys of the strip to a cinema audience, I'm not sure that's the way.

I was thinking about my fantasy sequel the other night, and I had an idea that I'll confess may sound perverse, but bear with me on this one: what if Rob Schneider was in it? I bet he's not expensive, and it'd be a strange and quirky element given the cinematic history of JD* (and, as interweb comments demonstrate, the Stallone film is the total sum of Judge Dredd as a character to millions of people)...

I was originally thinking (as you do) that it might be nice to see him die in a hale of bullets or get hit by a mo-pad or something, and then I thought "hmmmmnn..." what if there was some spirit-crushed down-trodden citizen role played by Schneider, devoid of all the 'comedy'/mugging derpa-derpa-Rob-Schneider-is-a-stapler' crap, that no-one wants to see him do anyway.
What would be a better illustration that this Meg aint that Meg?

A dark, futsie, suicidal Rob Schneider anyone?

Quote from: darnmarr on 29 June, 2012, 01:53:57 AM
What would be a better illustration that this Meg aint that Meg?

How about a Meg where Schneider can't exist.

Quote from: darnmarr on 29 June, 2012, 01:53:57 AM
The epics do lend themselves to the notion of a screen-writing 'arc' far better than the six-page, self-contained, 'slice-of-life-in-the-big-meg' stories:

Some do, some don't.


The Cursed Earth and the Judge Child are far too episodic to be films. Apocalypse War is nice and contained as is the Day the Law Died, but that plot's been somewhat bastardised by the Stallion '95 film. Necropolis is too big, complex and involving.

I think the political/social stories are a better fit over all. A scaled down Day of Chaos may work well though, if the bigger stories are what you want.

I definately think smaller, more stylish stories work better as screenplays - The original Die Hard, Assault On Precinct 13, The Warriors and Smokin Aces are all models a future Dredd could draw from in a way that Lord Of The Rings, The Avengers or Transformers 3 aren't.

Dredd is a cop story + novelty at it's best in the comic, and I sincerely believe that will carry on into a successful film series that's both exciting and artistically satisfying provided nobody gets anything to do with Judge Death/Deathworld green lit.

What about same plot as this Dredd, except, now here's the twist... He has to fight ALL THE WAY DOWN!

As long as they stay clear of the Cursed Earth, then I'm up for anything they'll attempt in the (hopefully) two planned Dredd sequels; keep it tight, relatively simple, focused and streamlined (no convoluted politics), and remember that Dredd is basically a cross between 'Dirty' Harry Callahan, Rorshach, and a Stormtrooper, enforcing an absolute and utterly ruthless judicial system in Fritz Lang's Metropolis (or something akin to it), a city so utterly insane that without said judicial system it would implode - or explode, take yer pick - in twenty-four hours flat, don't attempt to either justify or vilify said judicial system, just show that without it, what's left of civilization would crumble under rampant criminality... if they stick to something like that, it'll work like gangbusters, dunno how they'll do Judge Death though!

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 29 June, 2012, 03:01:24 AM
What about same plot as this Dredd, except, now here's the twist... He has to fight ALL THE WAY DOWN!

:D

Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 June, 2012, 06:37:17 PM
A bastard cross between Midnight Surfer/America and Total war.Hover boards a must,no 'real world' excuses.
Basically Super Surf seven with the Total war nukes going off,Dredd must 'catch' Chopper because he's his only lead to the Total War cell's.Chop can give the viewer the different point of view whilst flipping to Dredds point and his unrelenting 'war on terror' angle....or something.

This actually sounds really good. My favourite idea for a sequel yet.

Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 29 June, 2012, 12:24:36 PM

Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 27 June, 2012, 06:37:17 PM
A bastard cross between Midnight Surfer/America and Total war.Hover boards a must,no 'real world' excuses.
Basically Super Surf seven with the Total war nukes going off,Dredd must 'catch' Chopper because he's his only lead to the Total War cell's.Chop can give the viewer the different point of view whilst flipping to Dredds point and his unrelenting 'war on terror' angle....or something.

This actually sounds really good. My favourite idea for a sequel yet.

Cheers,i think it would have a mix of everything and noot be too " out there" to alienate casual cinema goers.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 27 June, 2012, 09:44:10 PMI do like the look of Karl Urban now, but I still wouldn't mind if they used sequels to get as many different people to play Judge Dredd as possible. Every movie could be a different actor.

On the other hand I think Urban has perhaps earned the right to play the character again, should he so wish. From what I heard early on, He was one of the few contenders in the frame who was happy (indeed more than happy) with keeping the helmet on. Once the first film has established a precedent and other actors out there realise they can keep the helmet on without doing their careers any harm, there will no doubt be more. But Karl was the one who 'got it' in the first place. To my mind, just for having the balls to don the helmet and keep it on without whining about in the first place, he's earned the right to own the character if he wants it, at least for the next couple of movies.

^^ This.

^^ This.

Not to sound like a parrot but......

This^

^^ absolument

^^ Totally this!  :D

^This Plus Infinity -Do I win? :D

^ This to infinity plus one. I win.  :lol:

Seriously though, I'd like to see a terrorist plot ala Total War (but not necessarily based on any particular story from the progs). Drama, action, suspense and the political satire that us squaxx know is one of the series' strong points. What's not to like?

Or, move things forward a bit and show the city growing - Ezquerra-style lumpy blocks, great sweeping flyovers etc all under construction and some more hi-tech stuff including robots and power boards. This could all be a backdrop to a Chopper story, giving us more of a citizens' point of view.

Quote from: darnmarr on 27 June, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
Jumping the gun somewhat, I know but:
IF there were to be a sequel/franchise of unlimited budget, that you, dear thread-peruser had creative control over...what way would you like to see it go?

Personally (and bear in mind this is pure fantasy), I'd like to see an anarchic approach, with different actors/directors and writers,tweaking the costume and re-inventing JD and mega city every time: perhaps a Brendan McCarthy instalment done via roto-scope ( a la 'A Scanner Darkly') for one film, a Terry Gilliam 'Brazil' dystopia, the next: Storywise, I'd want something from the point of view of Marlon Shakespeare,America Jara or Beeny Bennet, something 'street-level' looking up.

What ideas do you guys have?

Dredd 2: Bear with me here, I think the movie should start with Dredd and Anderson dealing with none other then... BOING! A bunch of punk kids misusing Boing! and causing death and destruction, this being the movie's first act, it can also devoted to showing the advancement of Dredd and Anderson's working relationship, their banter and what have you... and perhaps old Max Normal can lend them a word to the wise or two on the case. Would also seriously like to see Maria and Walter at the start in Dredd's Rowdy Yates apartment... I know many think they aren't serious enough, or that they humanize Dredd too much, but really they actually can work, and help show what the state of his home 'life' is. Would be great to include Dredd pursuing the only relaxation he knows: reading The Book of Law at home before the case. So, by the begginning of the second act Dredd and Anderson catch all the punk kids and put an end to the Boing! Troubles... which leads us into their next case: a series of bizarre serial killings in which the victims leave behind no trace of violent death... save the terror in their eyes ;).

I think the second act should be Dredd and Anderson pursuing the perpetrator of these serial killings with a task force of other Judges, including perhaps familiar characters like Hershey and what have you... and Judge Death is finally discovered. Basically from here on it should cover the original Judge Death story, ending the movie on a sad note of Anderson sacrificing herself, being entombed in Boing! to keep him contained... and perhaps from Dredd we finally see a small smidgen of humanity at what becomes of his partner... but not too much of course.

Dredd 3: Not as vivid in my head as how 2 should be, but I think after Anderson has been entombed, Dredd is perhaps paired with Hershey, and the two solve some cases together... until a familiar trio of dark Judges bust their buddy Death out of Jail, leaving it to Dredd, Hershey and Anderson to put an end to them as they run rampant... and of course allowing us to see "GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DREDD!"

Quote from: Mark Taylor on 30 June, 2012, 12:37:59 PM

... I think Urban has perhaps earned the right to play the character again, should he so wish...

Of course he does, but here on Fantasy Sequel Island: Mr Urban either 'wishes/does not wish' to be in the sequel, dependant upon whatever suits your fancy.- It's like the unlimited budget: rather convenient.

For the sequel something like The  Samurai Chopper for the Lawmaster would be nice. Not sure how well it would handle in action though.

(http://lostinasupermarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/zero-engineering-Type-9-motorcycle.jpg)

I think there was a picture of one customised with lawmaster colours floating around somewhere.

http://www.zeroengineeringeu.com/ (http://www.zeroengineeringeu.com/)

Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 02 July, 2012, 10:09:51 PM

I think there was a picture of one customised with lawmaster colours floating around somewhere.

Itt was a different bike:

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8435/tvrex1.jpg)


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p_CXcHWZJDE/TG5Ys8pi1hI/AAAAAAAAAug/X2zGu6xQFQY/s1600/travertson_DSC0062.jpg)


(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4142/4910107070_c4aeef8fd3_z.jpg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hRf8yvT87U

Yep that's it.

That colour scheme doesn't make me think Dredd...

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/1960s_TV_BAtmobile_01.jpg)

Anybody else reckon 'Batman' pretty much used the lawmaster idea already?

Quote from: darnmarr on 02 July, 2012, 10:44:57 PM
Anybody else reckon 'Batman' pretty much used the lawmaster idea already?

Should that stop them? Nolan Batman films are more like Judge Dredd anyway.

I guess after decades of 'Robocop-rip-off' accusations and then the oodles and oodles of 'plagiarised Raid' nonsense of late: I might just be  too weary to start explaining to legions of Batty-boys* that the fat-tired bike thing is also original and independant Dredd-related creation.

(*fanboys of Batman)

This thread should be locked.

If you were good enough to be a MOD you could, but alas.

Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 03 July, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
This thread should be locked.

Anti-batmite!

in no particular order, here are my fantasy Dredd movie ideas:

- film The Pit (it's by no means the best Dredd story ever, but I think it's the most filmable)
- Film 'Goodnight Kiss'.  I like 'Goodnight Kiss', me
- A Dredd movie directed by Terry Gilliam, with Robert de Niro as Dredd
- Sam Worthington as young Dredd, Bruce Willis as old Dredd
- film one of the Dredd/Batman crossovers
- whatever is filmed, have the whole thing narrated by Walter the Wobot

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but I think they should film an 8-10 minute Future Shock to play before the next one and any other 2000AD films that may head our way.

there's a whole other thread there - wouldn't the Future Shocks (well a lot of them anyway) make a great, short tv series?

Quote from: judgefloyd on 14 July, 2012, 01:27:57 AM
there's a whole other thread there - wouldn't the Future Shocks (well a lot of them anyway) make a great, short tv series?

It would be too much like the Twilight Zone.

Quote from: Misanthrope on 14 July, 2012, 01:40:11 AM

Quote from: judgefloyd on 14 July, 2012, 01:27:57 AM
there's a whole other thread there - wouldn't the Future Shocks (well a lot of them anyway) make a great, short tv series?

It would be too much like the Twilight Zone.

Except set in the Future!

Quote

Except set in the Future!

Not all future shocks were set in the future.

Quote from: Misanthrope on 14 July, 2012, 02:35:52 AM

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Except set in the Future!

Not all future shocks were set in the future.

But they're branded with a nice picture of Tharg, which makes all the difference.

Just been re-reading the 'Mega City Undercover' trade

I'd love Lenny to be in a sequel

Quote from: Misanthrope on 14 July, 2012, 02:35:52 AM

Quote

Except set in the Future!

Not all future shocks were set in the future.

Yeah but since they were set in the past, they were still written in the future.

Quote from: Beeks on 14 July, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Just been re-reading the 'Mega City Undercover' trade

I'd love Lenny to be in a sequel

I think that would fit really well. Or at the very least a name drop. I'd love to see a Dirty Frank cameo as well.

Has anyone considered the possibility that if Dredd is only a modest success at the box-office, say around the $120m mark worldwide (give or take a few mill either way), we'll definitely get a sequel, but it may not have the budget needed to pull off an epic narrative like the 'Origins'/Cursed Earth story that Alex Garland has in mind. 

If Dredd does decent but not gangbusters (which I hope and pray it does, don't get me wrong) business, and DNA Films get, say, a $60m (3-D cost included) budget for the sequel, would it make sense, both practically as well as commercially, to make the Dark Judges script that Alex Garland was working on for a whole year, for the following reasons;

1) Having already gone through something like sixteen drafts of the Dark Judges script, it could be turned into a full shooting script relatively quickly.

2) If the Dark Judges script could be written relatively quickly, the sequel could be turned around in equally decent time, maybe even quick enough for a production start next summer or autumn/fall, meaning a tentative release date of September 2014, just two years after the release of Dredd, to strike whilst the iron is hot, so to speak...

3) Even casual comic and sci-fi fans not overly familiar with 2000 A.D. and the minutiae of Dredd's world and mythology have heard of Judge Death, and the prospect of having one of the most widely-known and iconic comic-book villains finally realized on the big screen would be a compelling commercial prospect, dare I say more than the 'Origins' idea, if you're the powers-that-be at Reliance and IM Global, what would YOU think has the better box-office appeal; Judge Death in all his grisly glory, or Fargo and Rico in a backstory....?

Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope we get a full Dredd movie trilogy, but I think we need to consider 'what if' scenarios, a bumper box-office for Dredd is not guaranteed, but enough for a sequel with a slightly larger budget and featuring the Dark Judges will do me just fine, my opinion anyway...

Re: budget, presumably they'd be able hit the ground running with a sequel (even if it isn't much more than $40m again), as they already have a lot of design work, props and costumes bought and paid for. They might even have kept things like the bikes around so they can be used again.

I don't think it would make a huge impact on available budget having the costumes and props already, and to be honest I'd like to see them have another crack at the bike, and for that matter tweak the costumes to keep it fresh.

I'd like to see whether 3D could be dispensed with and the money from that used on the rest.

Without the slo-mo conceit is 3D really worth it?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/13/tech/gaming-gadgets/3-d-hype-bubble-finally-busted/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/13/tech/gaming-gadgets/3-d-hype-bubble-finally-busted/index.html)

It's certainly not in as strong a position as when Dredd was being greenlit.

Quote from: Steve Green on 16 July, 2012, 01:25:11 PM
I'd like to see whether 3D could be dispensed with and the money from that used on the rest.
Without the slo-mo conceit is 3D really worth it?
It's certainly not in as strong a position as when Dredd was being greenlit.

Considering that Dredd secured financing at the height of the post-Avatar 3-D craze, it's likely the stereoscopic requirement was a prerequisite of getting said financing, and whilst the slo-mo effect certainly justifies the 3-D in Dredd, circa 2012, by the time the sequel comes around in 2014 or 2015 - the latter more likely - the public's love affair/tolerance for 3-D in films may have expired by then.  I agree that should a Dredd sequel be greenlit, contractual obligations notwithstanding, they should ditch the stereoscopic images and throw the full weight of whatever budget they eventually secure on production values... when people watch Dredd ten years from now, the fact it was shot and released in 3-D won't even be mentioned, the quality of the film, however, will be.

Based on this Empire Magazine news piece...

QuoteGarland, meanwhile, shares some pointers on where, should Dredd do the requisite box office, a possible trilogy might take Mega-City One's finest. Short answer: outside Mega-City One, because "outside is this desert terrain, The Cursed Earth". And could there be a place in the story for the don of dark judges himself, Judge Death? Find in Empire's September issue.

The idea that Judge Death and the Dark Judges, rather then being super-natural fiends from another dimension, could rather be group of irradiated Cursed Earth mutants acting as a twisted mirror to the Judges of Mega-City 1... I could totally see that working in a satisfying way.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 July, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
Based on this Empire Magazine news piece...

QuoteGarland, meanwhile, shares some pointers on where, should Dredd do the requisite box office, a possible trilogy might take Mega-City One's finest. Short answer: outside Mega-City One, because "outside is this desert terrain, The Cursed Earth". And could there be a place in the story for the don of dark judges himself, Judge Death? Find in Empire's September issue.

The idea that Judge Death and the Dark Judges, rather then being super-natural fiends from another dimension, could rather be group of irradiated Cursed Earth mutants acting as a twisted mirror to the Judges of Mega-City 1... I could totally see that working in a satisfying way.

The Hills Have Eyes?

That would not be the Dark Judges. That would be this...
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=2000ad&choice=474 (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?Comic=2000ad&choice=474)

If you're gonna do the Dark Judges, might as well be faithful. Them being human mutants doesn't really make them special. Them being so otherworldly and shocking is key for me.

Hell yeah, I'd love to see a sequel have Judge Death and the Dark Judges. Mixing horror into the genre mix would be a great touch for a sequel.

That said, there are many stories to tell, I'd also enjoy some Cursed Earth action, or even just a story involving any of the many great Mega City stories.

I don't know about everyone else, but to me, the most iconic thing about the Dark Judges is their image. Not where they come from.

They have just got to be brought to the screen, and I don't think being from another dimension would work in this world they have created. It has to have a bit of realism to it, and being twisted psychotic mutants with physic powers works for me. Or even better, their origins don't even have to be explained. They could just appear.

Dredd won't ask where they come from, or why they are here. He will just be trying to stop them.


As for the trilogy idea, I would much rather see the Dark Judges and Mega City One in the second one. I think every film now is going to be a gamble with no guarantee of one after it, and there is still so much of Mega City One to see, it would be a shame to go out to the cursed earth in number two, then never see another film.

If they treat the films more episodic then like a trilogy arc, I think that would work better too. Then we aren't left with a cliffhanger that will never get resolved, but plus each film will stand up on it's own. And of course, my main reason for wanting this is, they could make endless amounts of them. Which also works as a kind of homage to the 80s action movie style that Dredd had.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 September, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
As for the trilogy idea, I would much rather see the Dark Judges and Mega City One in the second one. I think every film now is going to be a gamble with no guarantee of one after it, and there is still so much of Mega City One to see, it would be a shame to go out to the cursed earth in number two, then never see another film.

If you introduce such heavy and extreme characters like the Dark Judges into a film then narratively and thematically it's hard to go any further after that as they are kind of the ultimate antagonists for Dredd, the Judges and the City.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 01:52:06 PM
If you introduce such heavy and extreme characters like the Dark Judges into a film then narratively and thematically it's hard to go any further after that as they are kind of the ultimate antagonists for Dredd, the Judges and the City.

True, but then again I think it could work, as it puts across that Dredd's job is a never ending one. He defeats the cities ultimate foe, but then life goes on. Some other creeps are causing trouble. Though I would quite like to see the Cursed Earth, so maybe going out there after the Dark Judges would be different enough so they don't actually need to make a worse foe.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 September, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
True, but then again I think it could work, as it puts across that Dredd's job is a never ending one. He defeats the cities ultimate foe, but then life goes on. Some other creeps are causing trouble. Though I would quite like to see the Cursed Earth, so maybe going out there after the Dark Judges would be different enough so they don't actually need to make a worse foe.

An audience might not see it that way. I see nothing wrong with holding the Dark Judges back for a third film as it makes thematic sense for it to follow an Origins/Cursed Earth film.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 02:31:28 PM
An audience might not see it that way. I see nothing wrong with holding the Dark Judges back for a third film as it makes thematic sense for it to follow an Origins/Cursed Earth film.

Yeah, I am by no means thinking that there is anything wrong with it, but if there was only to ever be one more film made, I know which story I would prefer.

The missus hasn't seen the film yet (she's coming to my 4th viewing on Saturday) but she made a good point last night that it would make great dramatic sense for the dark judges to be in the last part of the trilogy. If Anderson continues to be a main presence then having her sacrifice herself in the final film (along the lines of the encased in Boing solution in the comics) would be a fitting close to a trilogy.

Trilogies are great, but of course so are two movie series. I'd love a trilogy, but with Hellboy only having two, etc, it'd seem very ambitious to be able to get three out of this. That said, if the audience and money is there, of course I personally would like 1000 Dredd films.

I'd haveTrapper Hag in both the 2nd and 3rd films followed closely by a Trapper Hag solo outing.

After the success of the Olympics is there an opportunity for a Big Dave crossover?

I like the idea of teaming up Judge Cal somehow with the Dark Judges for a third film, after all their motives were ultimately the same - kill everyone.

Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 10 September, 2012, 04:48:58 PM
I like the idea of teaming up Judge Cal somehow with the Dark Judges for a third film, after all their motives were ultimately the same - kill everyone.

Judge Cal rules, and I love The Day The Law Died, but I'm not sure if that's what John Wagner would want a movie to focus on. From an interview, he said this about the 90s movie:

"Dredd was never meant to be a dynastic power struggle. Dredd is down on the streets breaking heads and being a bastard. More than that he's the city and the people of Mega-city One."

From that description, it sounds like focusing on one of the occasions where Dredd is against the system of Mega-City law isn't what he'd want a movie to focus on.

I wonder how that will work?
Will Cal summon them from another dimension or will he have a more grounded take and create a 4 man hit squad of 'dark' judges,Will there be a supernatural slant to them.I hope there is,that was their charm IMO.Would love to see Mortis with his horse skull head spreading decay rather than some guy in a suit shooting people,same for Death.Go all out and swing for the fences with it.

Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 10 September, 2012, 05:03:30 PM

Judge Cal rules, and I love The Day The Law Died, but I'm not sure if that's what John Wagner would want a movie to focus on.

From that description, it sounds like focusing on one of the occasions where Dredd is against the system of Mega-City law isn't what he'd want a movie to focus on.

I expect if they took ideas from 'The Day The Law Died' for a new film it would be wise for them to steer clear of the things such as the Frame plot that were so prominent in that Stallone version.

Judge Cal as a character was not even touched upon in that film, and I can imagine it being done with more of an action emphasis that was achieved in the old Judge Dredd film. The insanity of the Cal Character is so extreme - he would work so well in a movie. Incidentally there was one season of '24' which had a mad President character who was very reminiscent of Judge Cal.

Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
I wonder how that will work?

Could be that they take a differnt approach to the Dark Judges other than the alternative reality angle.

When he mentioned Cal I assume the DJ's will replace the Kleggs?

Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
When he mentioned Cal I assume the DJ's will replace the Kleggs?

Yeah That would make sense if it were to happen.

In my mind the sequel would be called:

DREDD: ORIGINS

and then film three:

DREDD VS DEATH

Has this been posted?

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/09/10/dredd-studio-head-hints-sequels-could-happen/

Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 10 September, 2012, 05:23:54 PM

Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
When he mentioned Cal I assume the DJ's will replace the Kleggs?

Yeah That would make sense if it were to happen.

And Cal orders the whole city to be judged,hope he makes that Judge put the dress on,would be amusing.

Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 05:28:44 PM
In my mind the sequel would be called:

DREDD: ORIGINS

and then film three:

DREDD VS DEATH

I dunno, I don't think ORIGINS is really necessary. 'Dredd' is a great introduction to the character and more time explaining how the Judge system and Dredd came to be just seems like it could be better spent. I would say it's better to keep it vague so people can make up their own conclusions. If they are really that curious, they can always read the comics, which works out well for 2000ad too!

Pretty much every comment I have seen about sequels has been people wanting to see Judge Death. He's just gotta be done.

QuoteI dunno, I don't think ORIGINS is really necessary. 'Dredd' is a great introduction to the character and more time explaining how the Judge system and Dredd came to be just seems like it could be better spent.

Garland has already said that a possible second film would concern the origins of the judges and Fargo.

Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 06:13:34 PM

QuoteI dunno, I don't think ORIGINS is really necessary. 'Dredd' is a great introduction to the character and more time explaining how the Judge system and Dredd came to be just seems like it could be better spent.

Garland has already said that a possible second film would concern the origins of the judges and Fargo.

Maybe they could cover it all in a montage at the start of the sequel?

Well yeah, but they are still just ideas, doesn't mean fact. And this is the Fantasty sequel thread afterall.  :D

I reckon Owen Wilson would make a good Cal  :lol:

Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 September, 2012, 06:15:41 PM
Maybe they could cover it all in a montage at the start of the sequel?

Wouldn't be much of a story then, and would just be a cheap set-up, like something they'd do at the start of a trilogy like LOTR to set up characters. Dredd's all ready been set-up for the audience. I think the point of the second film is discovering the storyrather than just telling it as background exposition.

Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
I reckon  would make a good Cal  :lol:

John Lithgow could have done it (years ago)

but Owen Wilson definitely has the look.  :D

A thought I had, taking into account what Alex Garland's ideas were, was to have the Angel Gang as like a futuristic biker gang in Mega City One, who have to flee to the Cursed Earth to escape punishment for their crimes. After a cool opening shoot out on the streets between the bikers and the Judges, the main ones (Pa, Link, Mean Machine and Junior) escape, with Dredd on their tail, but they lose him. Naturally Dredd cannot let them escape Judgement, so goes out to the Cursed Earth after them.

A cool western style chase movie ensues across the baron wastelands, with Dredd trying to hunt them down before they can make it to another Mega City where they would be out of his jurisdiction or something. Good opportunity to see some whacky mutants, cool stunts and Satanus. Plus it shows how relentless and unstoppable Dredd is. Theoretically it could be done quite low budget, but I don't actually know anything about that.

This is of course, if they got to do two more films. If not, I would rather they just went straight for the Dark Judges. Or even just Judge Death, and have the rest of them in another one.

Ok I'll throw in my idea for the 2nd movie.

Film begins with Dredd voice over explaining the evolution of Mega City One.  We see sped up footage of the building of the city into the Meg we know and love and the year which is also on screen advances 8 years.  We see Dredd clean shaven wearing an immacule uniform which has now developed into the comic book costume riding the comic book Lawmaster  through the insanity that is Mega City One. 

We get a cameo from Anderson to show how she's developed (we'll see more of her in the third movie when the Dark Judges show up!)  We then spend the next 10 to 15 minutes in one of the classic short Dredd stories to get us settled in then the Cursed Earth saga begins.

Box Office Gold!

I'm thinking Origins but it's the Angel gang who have 'found' the long lost body/grave of Fargo thought destroyed in the Atomic war. Dredd sets out across the Cursed earth with a small crew to investigate.Flashbacks aplenty showing what happened etc.Spikes Rotten or even Chopper? could be the 'messenger' who delivered the new/DNA sample to the Judges and he guides them back to the Angels.
When they get there they get royaly fucked up by Pa and the gang,taken captive and offered to Satanus.
Dredd escapes,busts em up,finds Fargo yada yada flashback the end.

The following day: another self-contained story graveyard-shift stye covering the next 24 hours after this one:  after all, as Joe points out: 'it's all the deep-end.

Loved the Graveyard Shift, from way back, shows many aspects of the Meg, that would be great.

My Name on one of the buildings, after that  I would be happy if they did a  Dredd version of 'women in love' with Joe and Giant having a manly tussle in front of a burning Mo-pad.

A story of suppressed passion and a tragically doomed love causing repercussions through three generations of blind muties in the under-city... as told to 'Woodlock' the new tenant of a part of the under-city called 'Cross-Thrush Grunge' by the old housekeeper...

That's right... Dredd 2: 'Wuthering Depths'

I trust Alex Garland and hope his vision, no matter how doomed he paints it, comes to the screen.

Other than that, I'd love to see Diane Lane return to play Hershey (but with less smooching)

I would love Chopper to be the Anderson of the next movie (that is, the heart/human element through which Dredd is viewed). Against a backdrop of some political stuff - that could be Democracy Now/Total War/pro- or anti-mutant stuff, with Dredd by the end beginning to show one or cracks in the stoicism and becoming slightly more human. Not too fussed about seeing the Cursed Earth really, like to see more of the city and the things that make it tick first.

Haven't read through the last 9 pages yet, but Anderson central to an anti-mutant backdrop..

QuoteGarland has already said that a possible second film would concern the origins of the judges and Fargo.

Unfortunately Garland said this on his Q+A thread:

QuoteQ:  If the studio commissions a sequel, would you definitely do it? Or have we assumed too much?
A:  There are some variables which would rule me out immediately. 

I just took that to mean if it didn't make enough money there was no chance of another? A case of not counting your chickens,tempting fate etc.

The question was

QuoteIf the studio commissions a sequel,

so the premise was that there is enough money.

Wonder if Simon Pegg will get into  2nd dredd movie 2014

He's friendly with Karl what with working on Star Trek ... just a thought

Quote from: Richard on 11 September, 2012, 03:02:04 PM
The question was

QuoteIf the studio commissions a sequel,

so the premise was that there is enough money.

Yeah,it just seemed like it was an off the cuff comment,cross that bridge when we come to it sorta thing to me.Actors and Directors are always saying things like this,I don't take them to seriously until the dust has settled.

For my pennies worth I would love to see the Pit as a basis for the next movie, but I think someone else mentioned that it would probably make a better TV series. I'm sure I read or watched somewhere Alex Garland saying he thought the future of Dredd might lie in TV given the advances that outfits like HBO have made in recent years.

Anything with Guthrie and DeMarco as additional characters and cameos from Dirty Frank and/or Simping Detective would keep me very happy, and add a nice little comedic element. Jeff Bridges as Dirty Frank?

Personally, I have misgivings about Origins and the Dark Judges. Origins for me seems to touching ground that the 95 movie used, and the Dark Judges, as ace as they are, could ruin what to me feels like a hugely believable world.

Several people have mentioned Cal and it's a shame Cal was never written as a midget, Peter Dinklage would be perfect as Cal.

Quote from: judge devs on 11 September, 2012, 08:36:04 PMSeveral people have mentioned Cal and it's a shame Cal was never written as a midget, Peter Dinklage would be perfect as Cal.

He's always classy and likeable, would he really play maniacally crazy well? Still, always a solid choice.

Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 10 September, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
Loved the Graveyard Shift, from way back, shows many aspects of the Meg, that would be great.

I love the hell outta that one too, though I think I'd like it as just the cold open first part of the movie. Probably 10 to 15 minutes could cover that, while sprinkling in a bit of whatever the larger plot is to be. Whether that be Judge Death appearing, PJ Maybe killing somebody, or what.

Well personally, I don't really want to see any "citywide disasters" or "fantasy horrors" sequel. Both of these have been done to death recently in more movies than I can think of on the way to the iso cubes.

This Dredd Universe is more suited to police procedural and lots of action; if a big city threat must exist, it must be realistic; Total War is a possible basis, but I reckon an attempted DoC that Dredd narrowly averts would be really cool - Sov spies, bioweapons, rioting cits, Total War, etc.

I love the idea of the aforementioned Armitage in MC1 idea; imagine Armitage breaking heads and Dredd kicking perps, Dirty Frank (realistic version), the SJS and perhaps some of the more exotic crazes that could validly be near-future; for example, Chopper, Sump or the Fatties. It'd put PJ as the main villain here; having him as a side-plot works well in the comic, but would be difficult to do in a 96 minute movie; all the other bad guys would be side-plots and perps manipulated by PJ for his own evil ends.

So if I were Grud, Dredd 2 would be that and Dredd 3 would be DoC/Total War; the latter could possibly have things like Kleggs on the Streets. I say again, this plot would be foiled by Dredd (just) and not result in citywide devastation. The Sovs would be hiding in the cursed earth so some excuse to do that.

Quote from: Martin Howe on 12 September, 2012, 12:29:43 AM
Well personally, I don't really want to see any "citywide disasters" or "fantasy horrors" sequel. Both of these have been done to death recently in more movies than I can think of on the way to the iso cubes.

I can dig everybody has different taste and preferences of course, but I disagree on some points. For one, this is often a big topic for sci-fi fans, the "fantasy" thing. I think we could classify the Dark Judges as sci-fi horror, outlandish and otherwordly and to us maybe seemingly supernatural, but it fits. That it's such a shock is exactly why it'd fit well in a realistic film, the contrast would make for great stuff.

For me, a very realistic and down to earth take is also something we've seen done to death. But then again, what hasn't been? There's always a new spin to put on things, but I'd like this series to embrace some of the weirdness of the comics if possible.

Since the first Dredd looks a bit like an Anderson story being a mix of the story of Giant getting promoted and Beeny in Cadet (wanting to bring change to the judges), this is what I imagine Garland could be up to next.

The second movie being Cursed earth story(the Booth episode will probably be interwoven with Origins)  and having Chopper comming along for the ride(as a pointman, scout of some sort maybe?) instead of Spike (the criminal who's good at riding a motorbike). An idea would be to let mutants say "Drokk" "Grudd" and so on, as if it was part of a cursed earth dialect.
Could be really cool. Especially if Chopper gets to die as beautiful as in Song for a surfer. Imagine him making a run for it, out the city and Dredd(even if he likes him, can't fight his inner urge to pass judgement), and then he flies on away on his board out into the wasteland. Or as a hero, think about Dark Knight Rises ending but with a hoover board, even Dredd would be moved by it.

The third with Judge Cal and Death will probably blend with Cal's "Sentence the whole city to death" and Death's "Life is a crime". Cal becoming chief judge by blackmail, which gets covered up (due to the scandalicious nature of the shit Cal has). Dredd get's in the know about the cover up and then leaves for the long walk since the "big lie" has gotten to corrupted to high up, and that he knows what he knows could destroy the fait in the system.
Him leaving makes people going nuts. Cal actually tries his best, but is heavily burdened by the fact that the dirty ways of Dredd worked better than his own "shining path" to justice in the eyes of people. Cal could for example be a powerfull psychic like Anderson (being one being the way he got hold of the stuff to blackmail the judges, by reading their minds) and then naturally turns more and more mad than before and in some magic way becomes Death (badly burnt + psychic powarz or something) and naturally(because, who wouldn't?) sentences the whole city to death.
Then Dredd returns and together with Anderson they open up a can of gaze into the fizt of dredd.

I haven't seen the first one yet, but reading the screenplay and watching the trailer makes me think it made the most out the characters as possible instead of going to deep with other stuff (which Matrix 2-3 suffered great from). And that fit for Anderson in the first could also be applied to Chopper as a doomed hero/rebel and a mad Cal who turns worse the more power he gets (could be cool if Dredd being a clone of Fargo making Dredd unsurpassable in Cal's eyes, as if it the Dredd-blood line meant to much for him).

What I'd hope they do with the cursed earth would be a total war story. Them being peaceful, but heavily struck down since protests makes people think instead of the mindnumbing rioting. The movie starts of with a demonstration for democracy which in a split second turns into blood bath "Play dead citizen!", and then tv shows the judges having done the right thing. Things went so bad even Dredd is having remorse, and Total war starts to plan to make the most out of their name "The only art that's legal is propaganda...". So they turn to former President Booth. Dredd is having thoughts about a great walk (reasons being some mix of letter from a democrat/to judge dredd mixed with America) but instead turns to assassinating Booth for the greater good.
The trip through the cursed earth to reach Booth goes by land for some reason, and going there maps out Dredds upbringing: which could be him being cloned as a way to continue Fargo's legacy by being a living symbol ending with killing Fargo thinking him having sex with a woman being attempted rape (the whole Monk thing could confuse Dredd to a point not knowing what sex is plus him being blinded by the big lie). Then a cover up follows, and Dredd turns hardass to being able to cope with what he done.
Well well, all well after Booth killed Dredd returns to MC1. He looks up a Total War member and tells her or she that they're better of without a creep like Booth. But Dredd get's the answer, a question in fact, if he really thinks that they dare using good methods due to that they're scarred of the judges. (I'd love a story where this was explored on a personal level. Good guys using bad guy tactics. Like in America). They turned to someone as scary as Booth to match the judges. Dredd get's the last word, something well said, and then it's the end of that.

Third movie could use a psychic making people hallucinate the dark judges. Say that a psi judge is being obsessed with Dredd, but feels betrayed due to Dredd having some doubt about what he does, and then turns radical. The psi judge gets zonked on some mind altering drug and becomes powerful enough to spread a mass hallucination.
Judge fire would be seen leading people to burn stuff.
Fear makes people run off ledges or what not.
Mortis is seen watching over the dead as a scary looking angel.
Death is the psi judges inner reflection of Dredd, what his obsession and anger with him has made Dredd look like, and the psi judge is seen as him.
Could be a fairly simple but effective horror movie. The dark judges being a bit like Batman begins scarecrow hallucinations but in 3D. And Dredd ending it with a fist of Dredd. He then warns about how easy it is to take down a system contra how dangerous it is to make a new one.

I think Garland will make the story personal. Dredd and Anderson. Dredd and Chopper. Dredd and Cal. I'd love if the it got a symbol angle. Dredd more or less fighting his disappointment about Fargo not being perfect by killing Booth( and making Total war better) and how easily following someone can turn into killing ones idols with the psi judge being fanatic about Dredd.

As I mentioned, I hope Garland doesn't goes to big and far with things. 95 Dredd was a mix of stories turned into a mess. Hopefully it'll be more in the details, small ones, so that it doesn't get in the way of the characters.

My fantasy sequel? A very cheap 'found footage' mockumentary reality horror film with dredd investigating strangeness in a block that turns out out to be supernatural goings-on. That then turns out to be the dark judges trying to break through into mc1. Think [REC], with everthing flmed by some justice dept-approved publicity shyster, who dredd immediately hates.

SBT

Sequel number one

Dredd judges Rico in a story line lead by characterization and dialog, not violence in a pretty close rewriting of the original Dredd sends Rico to titan strip. (This ties in to the very first film and at the same times allows some exploration of Dredd and the philosophy of the Judges)

Meanwhile Anderson (and maybe another major Judge character) investigate what turns out to be Judge Deaths arrival, al the while bemoaning the fact that Dredd isn't there to help as  Death begins to slaughter people left right and center.

Dredd and Rico get into a very bitter struggle as Dredd realises there's actually something more important to deal with and contemplates just killing Rico before doubling his efforts to arrest him. However this delays Dredd to much and he arrives at the Anderson crime scene to see Death nearly kill her before he makes his escape. Film ends with all the Judges standing around going erm, this is bad, how the hell are we going to deal with that thing.

Which leads on to, sequel number 2 (oh hell yes it's a trilogy) which is basically NECROPOLIS!

And that makes the films in order A hi action, a gritty action, a drama action and an outright horror action, which at the end of the day reflects Dredds strips in 2000AD and the Meg pretty well. Plus it means I managed to tye in the Stallone flick to make a quad despite the fact I don't like it all that much.

Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 05:28:44 PM
In my mind the sequel would be called:

DREDD: ORIGINS

and then film three:

DREDD VS DEATH

^^^ This.  I'm very glad they didn't use the Dark Judges for the first film; mainly because the audience has to know early on that Dredd is a morally ambiguous antihero.  Pitting him against the ultimate evil early on means you are forced to see him as the good guy rather than marvel at his sheer bastardice (which I did when I watched the film - if anything he's even more brutal than the comic version).

This film was perfect as an introduction to Dredd as a character.  But the audience doesn't know a whole lot about the world he lives in or how it came about - that would be the second film's job, in my book.  I don't really care if it deviates substantially from the comic as long as it keeps the basic theme:  Democratic America  made a catastrophic mess of things so the Judges decided to take over, and naturally not everyone is happy about this.  Cue lots of democratic protests, so Dredd still gets to be on the streets cracking skulls.

So by the third film, we know all about MC1 and the Justice system, it's time to put it them the tree and throw stones at them.  Enter the Dark Judges:  like Necropolis, the whole city and Judge system is nearly destroyed, and now we know just how much grit Dredd has (bastard or no) we can see he is the only hope for this kind of clusterfuck.

(It's kind of hard, though, to see how a supernatural element could be introduced to this realistic version of MC1.  Even the tech isn't all that hi, so too much wacky sci-fi like dimension jumps don't seem apt either.  Any suggestions?  A huge cloning mistake maybe?)

Excuse my shitty grammar and missing information, by the way. 

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 10:22:03 AM
(It's kind of hard, though, to see how a supernatural element could be introduced to this realistic version of MC1.  Even the tech isn't all that hi, so too much wacky sci-fi like dimension jumps don't seem apt either.  Any suggestions?  A huge cloning mistake maybe?)

What do you think about by my outline about Death being hallicunated? That a psi judge would project him and the other dark judges into peoples heads.

So when they see the psi judge, they see Death (who himself projects Death the way he portrays Dredd in his own head.).

Death would be like someones inner image of Dredd turned into a giant hypnotic nightmare. A bit like Batman begins when people are zonked on the gas and see scarecrow.

I'd love Dredd to face that, in two ways. One as an enemy, and one way getting to face how he is percieved.

That way Death wouldn't open a door to other dimensions, but instead invest into people being psychics. How the psi judge manages to make the hallicunations mass spread could be done by getting some slo mo in his system or something, and give him a bad trip during his upped brain powarz.

QuoteDeath would be like someones inner image of Dredd turned into a giant hypnotic nightmare. A bit like Batman begins when people are zonked on the gas and see scarecrow.

I'd love Dredd to face that, in two ways. One as an enemy, and one way getting to face how he is percieved.

Hmmm, maybe.  Could work - but where does the danger come from?  I mean, the audience knows the whole time that Death is only a psi-projected mirage and doesn't actually exist, so how do you avoid the dreaded 'it was just a dream' conclusion?  Or maybe I've misunderstood your idea?

If you're going to do Death then just do him,no changing him or the other DJ's.Have faith in it ,don't changed  it so much that he is barely recognizable.
There are plenty of other stories that are more grounded in the strips that could be done and would be easier to keep the new tone.Having rouge Judges with masks on or whatever just takes away what Death is.
If you're going crazy supernatural badass from another dimension just do it otherwise do Total War/America.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 12:03:14 PM

QuoteDeath would be like someones inner image of Dredd turned into a giant hypnotic nightmare. A bit like Batman begins when people are zonked on the gas and see scarecrow.

I'd love Dredd to face that, in two ways. One as an enemy, and one way getting to face how he is percieved.

Hmmm, maybe.  Could work - but where does the danger come from?  I mean, the audience knows the whole time that Death is only a psi-projected mirage and doesn't actually exist, so how do you avoid the dreaded 'it was just a dream' conclusion?  Or maybe I've misunderstood your idea?

I was thinking a bit like having people going mental in a part of MC1, lead by these projections. For example people setting fire to everything can see Judge Fire leeding them, and see him in things burning.

And think of Mortis being seen, standing over dead people as if he was watching them. But again not for real, but real enough for the citizens to go crazy.

The chaos itself will be very real, set in motion by all these people hallicunating characters looking like dark jugdes. And behind the judge death is the psi judge, how he'd imagine he'd want to be Dredd since the real Dredd is not "good enough" any longer (as in bad ass).

But seriously. I'd have not problem at all with Death from another dimension like in the comics. Far from. It would probaply be movie of the year  ;) It's just that I don't know the origins of Death, and thought this could be one way of doing it by having Dredd vs someone who wants to kill his idol (But ending with Jesse James putting his fist through Robert Fords head)

This may come across as unnecessarily harsh, but there's a lot of seriously piss poor fanwankery going on in this thread.

If the Dark Judges don't translate well to film, just don't film them! Why change them to be so far removed from the original concept, when you could channel the effort into developing the stuff that does work?

For me, I'd stick with something less fantastical for part two and go with something slightly more in keeping with the world established thus far, while expanding what we know about the Big Meg. Get Dredd out onto the streets, putting the fear of Grud into the cits. Maybe introduce PSU, build on the surveillance stuff we've already seen. We've seen the scummier end of the city - show us the lux-apts, show us the 1%, show us the Democrats blowing them to hell for the cause. Give us hottie stands and belly wheels, servo-droids and sexmeks, dunks, taps and organleggers. Skysurfers, bat-gliders and futsies amok.

As for the story? Dunno. If I did, I'd be a handsomely paid screenwriter, not a charming and well-endowed IT grunt. Probably something involving a high-speed bike chase and some shooting. Maybe a monkey. People like monkeys.

So a bit like Johnny Alpha when he made one of his enemies belive he saw the grim reaper ;)

And sorry for misspelling a couple of words and so on. Wrote the stuff in a rush while being tired = my english takes a serious hit in it's spelling and grammar.

Quote from: Noisybast on 13 September, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
... Probably something involving a high-speed bike chase and some shooting. Maybe a monkey. People like monkeys.

Frink: "That monkeys gonna pay!"

Dark Judges in sequel pros/cons debated pretty exhaustively way back here if anyone fancies a gander:
Dark Judges in sequel? Nice pics and a heated debate ... (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36163.0.html)

Quote from: Noisybast on 13 September, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
This may come across as unnecessarily harsh, but there's a lot of seriously piss poor fanwankery going on in this thread.

If the Dark Judges don't translate well to film, just don't film them! Why change them to be so far removed from the original concept, when you could channel the effort into developing the stuff that does work?

For me, I'd stick with something less fantastical for part two and go with something slightly more in keeping with the world established thus far, while expanding what we know about the Big Meg. Get Dredd out onto the streets, putting the fear of Grud into the cits. Maybe introduce PSU, build on the surveillance stuff we've already seen. We've seen the scummier end of the city - show us the lux-apts, show us the 1%, show us the Democrats blowing them to hell for the cause. Give us hottie stands and belly wheels, servo-droids and sexmeks, dunks, taps and organleggers. Skysurfers, bat-gliders and futsies amok.

As for the story? Dunno. If I did, I'd be a handsomely paid screenwriter, not a charming and well-endowed IT grunt. Probably something involving a high-speed bike chase and some shooting. Maybe a monkey. People like monkeys.

No, I'm with you. I'd like it if the two others wouldn't go to big. A trip to the cursed earth followed by some doubt in the system. That there won't be too much spectacle to  take away the focus from Dredd. I think Nolan's Batman often had that very problem, making it sometimes hard to forget to invest in him as a character since his enemies steals the show.
And Anderson seems like she needs quite some room too. So that she doesn't feel rushed or shoehorned into the story.

And monkeys would totally make both sequels a mint :D

Yeah but Judge Death in particular is pretty iconic, I don't see what's wrong with making them fit into this version of Dredd with a bit of tinkering. Like i've said before, I think it is his image not his origins that are important.

The Judge Dredd comics have matured a lot since the Dark Judge stories and I don't think now, with the current more realistic approach to comic book movies proving so popular, beings from from another dimension would go down well. It just seems a bit silly, where as they could be done really scary instead which would be awesome.

D2.Chopper sends Dredd with his team out into the CE looking for 'origins',bumps into the Angle gang who have Fargo or Booths remains,big scrap and Dredd wins...
D3.Fink comes looking for revenge.
Swap Hershey for Anderson and make sure Chop has a powerboard.

Or go all out on a faithful Dark Judges adap.


Either way I can't ruddy wait.

Angel^ obviously.

I mean, their origins don't even have to be explained and then people can make up their own theories where they come from. People who like the comic book origin can stick with that, people who don't can believe they are just some psycho mutants.

If some crazy bastards starts killing people in Mega City One, Dredd won't be asking them why they are here, he will just be trying to kill them.

It worked quite well with the Joker in The Dark Knight. It never explained where he came from or anything like that, he just appeared.

To not use them in a film would be a major waste and I think too many people want to see them compared to those who don't.

Quote from: darnmarr on 13 September, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
Dark Judges in sequel pros/cons debated pretty exhaustively way back here if anyone fancies a gander:
Dark Judges in sequel? Nice pics and a heated debate ... (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36163.0.html)

You made a good point early on about the bird bones and stuff. It works in a comic, but does it in a movie?

But either way. I'm sure Garland will know what he's doing, since people around him (him included) seem to know their Dredd enough to not wanting it to go to waste. And hopefully Karl Urbans talk about "the big lie" and Garlands constant mentioning of America will lead to some very exciting stuff.

Or maybe just get David Lynch to do it, and then nobody will know what the hell is going on.

Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 13 September, 2012, 03:31:32 PM

It worked quite well with the Joker in The Dark Knight. It never explained where he came from or anything like that, he just appeared.

The Joker wasn't dead or walking around as a combustible skeleton. They even explained that Anderson is a mutant so the DJs need some kind on background.

Call me crazy, but I think the Dark Judges more or less as is would work well in a very realistic film. After all, horror movies are supposed to be set in realistic regular every day life, until something crazy and unimaginable happens. Ditto for some out-there sci-fi stuff.

Audiences are fine with an evil robot from the future coming to a realistic modern day world in Terminator, they're fine with say Candyman or Freddy Krueger doing supernatural messed up stuff to every day city kids, etc. People can suspend their disbelief.

Thinking about it some more... If sequels were to be successful, they would probably have to be quite different, and maybe going from a high octane action flick, to a supernatural thriller would work.

Mainly thinking how Aliens was a great sequel to Alien as it completely changed in style.

Where as Die Hard 2: Die Harder for example (though, I actually quite like die hard 2) wasn't seen as such a great follow up to Die Hard. Though it did have a great tagline: 'They said Lightening never strikes twice. They were wrong'

Well either way, I am sure Alex Garland will get it right.

How about this...?

The mother of the main villain from the first film discovers what happened to her daughter and [spoiler]swears to avenge her death[/spoiler], hunt down Dredd and destroy him.

Her name is NaNa.

Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 13 September, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
Call me crazy, but I think the Dark Judges more or less as is would work well in a very realistic film. After all, horror movies are supposed to be set in realistic regular every day life, until something crazy and unimaginable happens. Ditto for some out-there sci-fi stuff.

Audiences are fine with an evil robot from the future coming to a realistic modern day world in Terminator, they're fine with say Candyman or Freddy Krueger doing supernatural messed up stuff to every day city kids, etc. People can suspend their disbelief.

Would be cool if it's never really explained. A bit like in The Road, that it really doesn't matter how for example the world went to hell, only survival means something. And what more important, to survive as a human or just stay alive (for example killing others/eating human flesh).

Maybe Necropolis could be done a bit like The road or The pianist? Dredd nearly "the dead man" looking for Anderson and killing Death and the other Dark Judges in the process. Simple but scary awesome.

Definitely agreed, that'd be great.

I saw Metropolis not long ago, and re-read America shortly after. And I got me thinking that I'd really love to see a silent film adaption of America.

Just imagine Dredd standing next to Beeny in the bed. All angry, almost flapping with his arms. A text reads: 'ANSWERS!' and Beeny starts fingering on a keyboard, Dredd's angry face is next to him.
Dredd is slowly moving upwards, till he stands straight, from anger to authority. A text reads: 'That's better'.
Close up on Beeny's face. Text: -I lied for you. Ami. next text: -Hard to imagine me. Scared little Benny Beeny lying to the judges... next text: -It was no act of courage...

Shining black and white, itchy character movement. Switching between big set pieces and focus on faces.
An orchestrated soundtrack which greatly details what's happening. Melancholy sounding tributes to Escape from New York and Blade Runner when showing of the city, pounding drums sounding like a march when the democratic march is shown (first shot a long road where row after row of protesters are growing. Second shot, low shot showing boots mechanically marching. Third signs of Democracy or death/Democracy now!. Fourth raised fists of protesters. Fifth blows of daysticks. Sixt judge standing over a protester. Text: 'PLAY DEAD CITIZEN!'.)

Metropolis almost put the tears in me, can't imagine what kind of feelings America would result in...

Different strokes for different folks, do you find silent movies more moving/effective in general? I don't, myself. I think acting with audio line delivery and whatnot could help an America adaptation.

Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 01 October, 2012, 01:55:42 AM
Different strokes for different folks, do you find silent movies more moving/effective in general? I don't, myself. I think acting with audio line delivery and whatnot could help an America adaptation.

Far from all of them. Dr Mabuse and Metropolis (Both Fritz Lange) are my favourites. They're epic, and still feel very original.
I also like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu and The man who laughes.

The idea came from thinking about the thoughts Beeny has, that instead of having a voice over it could be done taking a smaller step from the book, moving pictures with sounds.

Maybe the idea itself is most suited for some fan film or something. (Masking the low budget with high contrast, blur and cracks in the film hehe)

For a "real movie" Sophia Coppola or Nicolas Winding Refn maybe? I think both of them are very good at making their films work in a special way that I think would suit America.

Quote from: Borntohula on 01 October, 2012, 06:41:46 AM
The idea came from thinking about the thoughts Beeny has, that instead of having a voice over it could be done taking a smaller step from the book, moving pictures with sounds.

Moving pictures and a soundtrack.*

Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 01 October, 2012, 01:55:42 AM
Different strokes for different folks, do you find silent movies more moving/effective in general? I don't, myself. I think acting with audio line delivery and whatnot could help an America adaptation.

The 'twist' in 'America' is dependant on the narrative voice being read rather than heard. I don't know if a silent Dredd film is exactly much of a commercial seller realistically but:

artistically, this sounds to me like a very elegant solution to the main problem of adapting that story.

Quote from: M.I.K. on 30 September, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
How about this...?

The mother of the main villain from the first film discovers what happened to her daughter and [spoiler]swears to avenge her death[/spoiler], hunt down Dredd and destroy him.

Her name is NaNa.

Oh... my... friggin'... god. 
I laughed really friggin' hard as I read this.  Well done, mate.  Well done.