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Title: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 01:59:26 AM
By my reckoning, every strip that's been set in the Dreddverse...

(https://i.imgur.com/xh93rst.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2021, 07:03:54 AM
I'm not seeing anything? But that could be me as I'm having all sorts of problems seeing images on the page at the moment?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: alphadogau on 16 January, 2021, 07:10:32 AM
Excellent work !
Would you consider adding:
Flesh
The Dead Man
Strontium Dog
Rogue Trooper ?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 January, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
Funt, you continue to be the hero this board needs (but probably doesn't deserve).
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sintec on 16 January, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: alphadogau on 16 January, 2021, 07:10:32 AM
Excellent work !
Would you consider adding:
Flesh
The Dead Man
Strontium Dog
Rogue Trooper ?

Is there a rouge trooper -> dreddverse connection?

I'm assuming the Flesh connection is Satanus - but doesn't that then end up pulling in the entire Millsverse as that's then connected to ABC Warriors->Nemesis->Savage->RoBusters. None of which really feels like Dreddverse to me.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
The Fr1day incarnation of Rogue Trooper ends up in MC1 during Casualties of War (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=900), which inferred that world was Dredd's future (in much the same way Strontium Dog is Dredd's future). But there are all kinds of slight connections to other strips, some of which are extremely tenuous (such as Robo-Hunter being in Brit-Cit, albeit one significantly different from what we see elsewhere).

Things are further complicated by references to MC1 in Mills's output, and with the Hammerstein crossover; but then it feels like with his Langley-era strips that Mills has ret-conned Ro-Busters and ABC Warriors out of its original continuity and into a distinct one of its own.

The Dead Man should definitely be in the Cursed Earth list, mind.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: TordelBack on 16 January, 2021, 11:26:01 AM
Does Chopper need an additional entry for Mega-City 2?

And am I missing Satanus Unchained?

This is lovely, and a surprisingly good memory-jogger.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2021, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
(in much the same way Strontium Dog is Dredd's future)

More accurately, Dredd is Strontium Dog's past. The way time has been demonstrated to work in Dredd continuity means that although Dredd exists in SD's past timeline, it doesn't automatically follow that SD is the future of Dredd's timeline. The timelines can diverge at any point post-Judgement Day, setting Dredd's future on a different path from the one that results in the SD universe.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:46:44 AM
Yeah—that. Really, it's obviously just John Wagner having fun with his toys, but Dredd has compared to many other strips (*cough*constant Marvel/DC reboots*cough*) been fairly tight from a continuity standpoint. Looks like from the dates we have, this might need addressing in 2028, assuming 2000 AD still exists then, and assuming the editor at that point gives a crap about extreme nerds. (Strontium Dog states a massive nuclear war occurs in 2150. Dredd is currently set in 2143.)

Personally, I couldn't give a rat's arse about such connections. I see them as fun asides rather than anything to worry about—alt dimension shenanigans. After all, we don't feel compelled to roll in Batman's entire continuity into Dredd, and then by extension the entire DC universe (or at least one of them). Do we?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:46:44 AM
I see them as fun asides rather than anything to worry about—alt dimension shenanigans. After all, we don't feel compelled to roll in Batman's entire continuity into Dredd, and then by extension the entire DC universe (or at least one of them). Do we?

No, but that's explicitly an alternate dimension story, rather than a time travel one, although the distinction between an alternate dimension and an alternate timeline is a pretty fuzzy one.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 16 January, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:46:44 AM
I see them as fun asides rather than anything to worry about—alt dimension shenanigans. After all, we don't feel compelled to roll in Batman's entire continuity into Dredd, and then by extension the entire DC universe (or at least one of them). Do we?

No, but that's explicitly an alternate dimension story, rather than a time travel one, although the distinction between an alternate dimension and an alternate timeline is a pretty fuzzy one.

Yeah, and that's the key - when I read 'time travel' in the Rogue/Stront/Dredd crossovers, I just fudge that in my head to 'dimensional travel' and hey presto!*

*Although the first Dredd/Stront crossover makes great - and explicit - use of time travel shenanigans as an integral part of the plot!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2021, 12:10:47 PM
Ohhh that's pretty - work VPN allows me to see the images again firmly pointing my problem to our ISP Talktalk and I've popped to their forum to get some advice - anyway that isjust wonderful.

Following on from IndigoPrime's comment is it worth having a box for crossovers, so say Dredd Bats, Dredd Aliens, Dredd Predator etc etc.

Also listing Daily Dredd's under the Judge Dredd box? Entirely your perogative cos this is simply magnificent as it is.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2021, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2021, 07:03:54 AM
I'm not seeing anything? But that could be me as I'm having all sorts of problems seeing images on the page at the moment?

Imgur's having issues - I can't see any images posted here and the imgur homepage is just empty frames

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2021, 12:10:47 PM
Ohhh that's pretty - work VPN allows me to see the images again firmly pointing my problem to our ISP Talktalk and I've popped to their forum to get some advice - anyway that is just wonderful.

Or this could be it - let me know if you get a fix as I'm on talktalk too
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
update - changing my VPN to USA seems to work - looks like its a problem with Imgur for UK users
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 January, 2021, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 January, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
update - changing my VPN to USA seems to work - looks like its a problem with Imgur for UK users

Yeah just had a reply to my post on the Talktalk forums and they say it happens every year and gets fixed, but aside from changing things like going onto a VPN (or different one) your knacked until they do Maybe a compnay as big as Imgur (Are Imgur big?) forget to update their Certificates (or whatever) the same as everyone else!

Anyway back on topic - that map is still astonishing huh.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Mike Carroll on 16 January, 2021, 04:52:09 PM
Excellent work, Funt!

(Although: Dreadnoughts is set mostly in Colorado, so that's in the middle of the Cursed Earth on your map...!)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 05:19:40 PM
You probably don't need to, but you can right-click and open the image in a new tab to get a slightly larger version of it.

*Edit - oh, and the stories are presented in their lists in order of publication. In case anyone was wondering.

Responding to queries & notes:

- The Dead Man, of course, should be listed in the grouping for The Cursed Earth.

- I can shift Dreadnoughts into that listing as well.

- Regarding Millsverse strips (Flesh, Ro-Busters, Savage et al), that opens up something of a can of worms (or "Wuurrrmms!" if we include Armoured Gideon and therefore The Order). My thought was to pretend none of that was really happening. I realize that means ignoring the Satanus through-line, but, well, let's say I was sticking more with obvious thematic continuity. My logic breaks down with the inclusion of Judge Planet and Pussyfoot 5, but if the writers can interconnect all of this disparate stuff just to have fun then I can have fun with diagrams, grudammit!

- The Rogue Trooper crossover is a bit weak sauce - a one-off starring Fr1day and his knife. It *could* get added to the inter-dimensional box without anyone blushing, but then that opens up the entire Rogue-i-verse. As it was actually a Judge Dredd story we could just walk away whistling quietly and hope nobody notices.

- Strontium Dog is an interesting one - the two timelines *could* fit, but it's tricky to marry the UK presented in Portrait of a Mutant as being the future of the UK presented as Brit-Cit. It's a weak link, and mentally I do what Jimbo does and pretend it's a mixture of dimensions and time. (Also, can of wuuurrmms! because SD spins into Durham Red, Dogs & Tales.)

- Chopper mostly resides in Oz in his solo stories, in the same way as JD mostly resides in MC-1, so I just chose a location. Nobody gets to live in two places in this diagram. You don't get anything for a pair ... not in this game!

- Satanus Unchained is a tricky one - it's definitely in the Dreddverse - probably need to add that. But then, Mills-verse! Aieee! Circles of continuity making my brain bleed!

Summary: maybe, we'll see.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 16 January, 2021, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 16 January, 2021, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
(in much the same way Strontium Dog is Dredd's future)

More accurately, Dredd is Strontium Dog's past. The way time has been demonstrated to work in Dredd continuity means that although Dredd exists in SD's past timeline, it doesn't automatically follow that SD is the future of Dredd's timeline. The timelines can diverge at any point post-Judgement Day, setting Dredd's future on a different path from the one that results in the SD universe.

Aye, you've put me straight on this before - though Johnny and Dredd met again a few years ago, so maybe it's after that point rather than Judgement Day that the timestream separated into the SD trouserleg and the Dreddworld one (though it's a bit of a stretch to imagine Britain would revert to the far-less-futuristic version than the one that Johnny comes from).

Funt - amazing work.  It's something I've wanted for years.  I've always thought there should be a section like this in the Megazine - an atlas of sorts, with the main events of Dreddworld history summarised for each place, illustrated with reprinted panels as required.  I'd take that as a Megazine floppy over reprinted strips any day.  Look and learn, Meg-Tharg.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
Still resisting the inclusion of Flesh, Strontium Dog & Fr1day because "tra la la I can't hear you", but The Cursed Earth zone got some additions and I fixed the background colour problem in the bottom half:

(https://i.imgur.com/2pw9Yr4.png)


*This is really nerd-heaven for old timers, but I think for newer readers it doesn't offer much - many of these stories are obscure one-offs. Reason for creation: I was just curious about how many spin-offs Judge Dredd had created, and needed some way to organize the list beyond it just being a really long list.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Professor Bear on 16 January, 2021, 07:50:16 PM
Helter Skelter's ending cut Dreddworld off from the alternate realities of other 2000ad stories - at least until End of Days decided that no longer applied - and I assumed the intent was to avoid this kind of nitpicking so Dreddworld didn't have to tie itself in continuity knots explaining something minor.  If something from another 2000ad story happened in Dreddworld's past (IE: in stories already published), then that's fine, because those realities/stories still existed as possibilities at that point in the past, but not anymore because of the events of Helter Skelter.  Except End Of Days said that doesn't count anymore, so whatever, I guess.

Quantum Wave Theory Time travel wibble-wobble posits that no future is set in stone because that future doesn't actually exist and is merely a possible outcome of all events that are currently in motion, and even if you collapse the waveforms into a singular observable point go into the future, it doesn't mean the future you observe will definitely exist, because once you travel back to the past, the waveforms are un-collapsed everything is in motion again and events can turn out differently.

In other words: Dredd and Anderson went to the City Of The Damned, but that wasn't how their future turned out.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Andrew_J on 16 January, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
Brilliant work Funt.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Robin Low on 16 January, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 05:19:40 PM
- Regarding Millsverse strips (Flesh, Ro-Busters, Savage et al), that opens up something of a can of worms (or "Wuurrrmms!" if we include Armoured Gideon and therefore The Order). My thought was to pretend none of that was really happening. I realize that means ignoring the Satanus through-line, but, well, let's say I was sticking more with obvious thematic continuity. My logic breaks down with the inclusion of Judge Planet and Pussyfoot 5, but if the writers can interconnect all of this disparate stuff just to have fun then I can have fun with diagrams, grudammit!

- Strontium Dog is an interesting one - the two timelines *could* fit, but it's tricky to marry the UK presented in Portrait of a Mutant as being the future of the UK presented as Brit-Cit. It's a weak link, and mentally I do what Jimbo does and pretend it's a mixture of dimensions and time. (Also, can of wuuurrmms! because SD spins into Durham Red, Dogs & Tales.)

The sad thing is, I figured and argued all this out into a coherent picture years ago... and now I find I just don't care any more. There's little or no more meaningful Strontium Dog to be had now that we've lost Carlos and John W has all but retired. Dredd is either drifting or being pulled in different directions by different writers. It seems unlikely that we'll get anymore Savage out of Mills (except savage swipes at anyone who looks at him funny).

Very nice map though - respect the work put into it. Don't let my disillusionment distract from that.

Regards,

Robin
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 11:44:48 PM
Hi Robin,

There was a timeline I saw, years ago now - I think it was in the Games Workshop Judge Dredd RPG, and it tied in information from Flesh, and also from Strontium Dog. Or maybe my old brain is mashing together bits of that and other lists from the board - probably yours if you published it here.

One thing I get about being a mad collector is that it doesn't matter much to the job of publishing 2000 AD every week - their concern is always going to be focused on the here and now - what are stories doing now, are they popular now and can we sell a collected edition?

Whether Top Dogs or Casualties of War or Pat's tendency to tie everything together (although the link between Slaine and Ro-Busters has yet to be explored) means anything is a bit irrelevant, I suppose, in the grand scheme of things. It's all just something that was published in the past.

It is sad, of course, that so many of our favorite creators are no longer able to thrill us in the pages of the comic - whether they've shuffled off the mortal coil or retired or drifted into pastures new - but I'm still keen to see what the new generation does with the thing that was never meant to last this long in the first place.

Dredd has shifted away from being this core driven mostly by a single writer into a milieu in which many writers weave their own visions - and it is weird, as a long-timer, to try to understand whether Dredd is a character or a narrative vessel.

The stories that have really gripped me recently are newer concerns, and if Dredd exists as the tent-pole that holds up the entire circus then ... okay. A tent-pole covered in old flyers that cover up the chips and dents. We lean against it, taking it for granted as we watch the new acts take to the floor.

All the best,

Linton
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 12:42:33 AM
Well, I must say that brought a tear to my eye.  Thanks, Funt... or Linton?  I like to think that it's your surname, and your first name is Geoff.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 January, 2021, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 12:42:33 AM
Thanks, Funt... or Linton?  I like to think that it's your surname, and your first name is Geoff.


The Geoff Linton?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 01:29:00 AM
Yah, yah, yah, yah. 
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 January, 2021, 02:35:42 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 January, 2021, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 12:42:33 AM
Thanks, Funt... or Linton?  I like to think that it's your surname, and your first name is Geoff.


The Geoff Linton?

Had to look that up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2VoHdpj2ZA) - had no idea Bob Mortimer was in the city now, yah?

But I'm like Mr. Kwesi Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvY5qU7ayg) in terms of the placement.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 January, 2021, 07:15:16 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 January, 2021, 11:44:48 PM
Hi Robin,

There was a timeline I saw, years ago now - I think it was in the Games Workshop Judge Dredd RPG, and it tied in information from Flesh, and also from Strontium Dog. Or maybe my old brain is mashing together bits of that and other lists from the board - probably yours if you published it here.

One thing I get about being a mad collector is that it doesn't matter much to the job of publishing 2000 AD every week - their concern is always going to be focused on the here and now - what are stories doing now, are they popular now and can we sell a collected edition?

Whether Top Dogs or Casualties of War or Pat's tendency to tie everything together (although the link between Slaine and Ro-Busters has yet to be explored) means anything is a bit irrelevant, I suppose, in the grand scheme of things. It's all just something that was published in the past.

It is sad, of course, that so many of our favorite creators are no longer able to thrill us in the pages of the comic - whether they've shuffled off the mortal coil or retired or drifted into pastures new - but I'm still keen to see what the new generation does with the thing that was never meant to last this long in the first place.

Dredd has shifted away from being this core driven mostly by a single writer into a milieu in which many writers weave their own visions - and it is weird, as a long-timer, to try to understand whether Dredd is a character or a narrative vessel.

The stories that have really gripped me recently are newer concerns, and if Dredd exists as the tent-pole that holds up the entire circus then ... okay. A tent-pole covered in old flyers that cover up the chips and dents. We lean against it, taking it for granted as we watch the new acts take to the floor.

All the best,

Linton

Funt Solo that is a glorious sentiment that I share so much of. You are a magnificent man of both data and words.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: TordelBack on 17 January, 2021, 09:35:13 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 17 January, 2021, 02:35:42 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 January, 2021, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 12:42:33 AM
Thanks, Funt... or Linton?  I like to think that it's your surname, and your first name is Geoff.


The Geoff Linton?

Had to look that up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2VoHdpj2ZA) - had no idea Bob Mortimer was in the city now, yah?

But I'm like Mr. Kwesi Johnson (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvY5qU7ayg) in terms of the placement.

How did I never realise that you're not only the legendary Funt Solo, but also the fabled Linton Porteous of Dundee. Tiny mind blown.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
Yes, it just occurred to me too who Funt is. Some people's names stick in your head forever. But as always, TB was quicker on the draw than me.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 January, 2021, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Professor Bear on 16 January, 2021, 07:50:16 PM
Quantum Wave Theory Time travel wibble-wobble posits that no future is set in stone because that future doesn't actually exist and is merely a possible outcome of all events that are currently in motion, and even if you collapse the waveforms into a singular observable point go into the future, it doesn't mean the future you observe will definitely exist, because once you travel back to the past, the waveforms are un-collapsed everything is in motion again and events can turn out differently.

In other words: Dredd and Anderson went to the City Of The Damned, but that wasn't how their future turned out.

This reminds me of reading New Scientist - where at some point about halfway through the article I realize that I don't understand anything because quantum physics does that to you. So, I really appreciate the translations - I can get behind time-travel wibble-wobble no problem at all.


Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
Yes, it just occurred to me too who Funt is.

Back in the days of the olde forum software, you could change your user name at will - so I think I started out as grey_area, then I was "fate amenable to change" (yes, very much a Banks fan, and Excession is the dog's bollocks), and there was even a moment where there was a push for everyone on the board to go by their real names (something to do with putting your money where your mouth was). Then, I changed to Funt Solo in a moment of whimsy - and the software changed and the names were locked in place. I suppose it could be worse...
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 01:16:23 AM
I'm a continuity nerd so I love discussion like this  :) and I really appreciate the thought process.
I agree it hard to fit th Mills-verse into this consistently. (Remember when Nemesis' son fed a Judge to Satanus).

Strontium is also super tricky given that Nelson Bunker Kreelman (or at least someone with that name) is now part of continuity...

Should I mention Zombo, Harry Angel and Tharg now being part of the Dredd-verse or is that going too far...?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 18 January, 2021, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 01:16:23 AM
Should I mention Zombo, Harry Angel and Tharg now being part of the Dredd-verse or is that going too far...?

Well spotted, that Squaxx. I'd forgotten the Zombo / Angel / Dredd crossover.

By the time you follow that back to Armoured Gideon's Book III (The Collector), which also featured Angel, you can also include (at least) the following: Bill Savage, Blackhawk, Sam Slade, Abelard Snazz, Shako, The V.C.s, MACH Zero, Wolfie Smith, Harry Twenty, Nick Stone, Dan Dare, Ace Garp, Matt Tallon, Captain Klep, Agent Rat, Robot Archie and Rick Random.

Oh, and Dredd (or a Judge) also shows up in the third book of Skizz.

Were there any judges at the party in Nikolai Dante's last outing?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 04:00:14 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 January, 2021, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 01:16:23 AM
Should I mention Zombo, Harry Angel and Tharg now being part of the Dredd-verse or is that going too far...?

Well spotted, that Squaxx. I'd forgotten the Zombo / Angel / Dredd crossover.

By the time you follow that back to Armoured Gideon's Book III (The Collector), which also featured Angel, you can also include (at least) the following: Bill Savage, Blackhawk, Sam Slade, Abelard Snazz, Shako, The V.C.s, MACH Zero, Wolfie Smith, Harry Twenty, Nick Stone, Dan Dare, Ace Garp, Matt Tallon, Captain Klep, Agent Rat, Robot Archie and Rick Random.

Oh, and Dredd (or a Judge) also shows up in the third book of Skizz.

Were there any judges at the party in Nikolai Dante's last outing?

Yes! There was a Judge(Dredd?) plus Strontium Dog, Halo Jones and Ro-Jaws.

Wasn't there a Dan Dare annual with a Dredd strip where a bunch of character turn up?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 18 January, 2021, 06:03:07 AM
Quote from: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 04:00:14 AM
Wasn't there a Dan Dare annual with a Dredd strip where a bunch of character turn up?

I bought that annual this summer but hadn't gotten around to reading it - until now. That's entirely wtf ... Pat Mills stars as a disgruntled droid who demands better conditions but ends up getting beaten into submission by all the characters he helped create (who are at a surprise party for Dredd on Luna-1). Not making this up.

Scanner required...

(https://i.imgur.com/rX1bBbp.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: broodblik on 18 January, 2021, 06:11:36 AM
Mmmmmm, maybe they know something then that we did not know today. Some kind of future-vision
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Trooper McFad on 18 January, 2021, 09:13:03 AM
That's me just seen the map due to the TalkTalk issues

Great map Funt
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: AlexF on 18 January, 2021, 09:25:12 AM
Amazing map! A very readable way to catalogue all the Dreddverse strips for sure.
Dare I suggest 'Hershey' gets its own link to Cuba on the map? Obviously most Hershey solo stories have taken place in MC1 but it's always satisfying to get more pins on a world map.

I'm intrigued to notice that Ciudad Barranquila seems to be a Buenos Aires / Montevideo conurbation. Somehow I'd always assumed it was in Mexico. That's the trouble with stories that trade in causal racism - they lack specificty! (No slight to Michael Carroll's current effort, I'm thinking more of the sugar beat)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 18 January, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 17 January, 2021, 04:39:36 PM

Back in the days of the olde forum software, you could change your user name at will - so I think I started out as grey_area, then I was "fate amenable to change" (yes, very much a Banks fan, and Excession is the dog's bollocks), and there was even a moment where there was a push for everyone on the board to go by their real names (something to do with putting your money where your mouth was). Then, I changed to Funt Solo in a moment of whimsy - and the software changed and the names were locked in place. I suppose it could be worse...

Ah, I wouldn't have got Fate Amenable to Change, but I've read a few Banks novels in the meantime.  Me, I started as Jayzus B.Christ with spaces, and then took them out when I had login problems.  Been here 18 or 19 fecking years, if memory serves.  Definitely would go for a different board name now - I'm far less messianic than I thought I was in my 20s - but I was just too lazy to think of one and then the names were locked in place.  Ah, it'll do.

As for that multi-character Dredd strip - I haven't read it, but I do remember David Bishop absolutely eviscerating it in those in-depth analyses of Dredd strips he used to do in the Megazine.  Bit harsh, I thought, given that it was clearly a whimsical bit of fun aimed at kids and not really part of the Dredd canon.  But while I'm not sure if the art is, to quote our Dave, 'pish', I'm not at all sure about Rodney Bewes playing Johnny Alpha.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 January, 2021, 12:00:04 AM
Alpha:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14104/production/_83708128_83708127.jpg)

Wulf:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/848988615682260995/UW8OFlv__400x400.jpg)


Starlord:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p071yy3n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 January, 2021, 07:13:48 PM
Arh Funt Solo I think I forgot to say that is chuffin' genius!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 20 January, 2021, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 January, 2021, 12:00:04 AM
Alpha:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14104/production/_83708128_83708127.jpg)

Wulf:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/848988615682260995/UW8OFlv__400x400.jpg)


Starlord:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p071yy3n.jpg)

Nailed it   :lol:
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 January, 2021, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 18 January, 2021, 09:13:03 AM
That's me just seen the map due to the TalkTalk issues

Great map Funt

This seems to be fixed now with any luck - seen it referenced (my me and others) elsewhere so spread the word!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 16 March, 2021, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 January, 2021, 06:03:07 AM
Quote from: alphadogau on 18 January, 2021, 04:00:14 AM
Wasn't there a Dan Dare annual with a Dredd strip where a bunch of character turn up?

I bought that annual this summer but hadn't gotten around to reading it - until now. That's entirely wtf ... Pat Mills stars as a disgruntled droid who demands better conditions but ends up getting beaten into submission by all the characters he helped create (who are at a surprise party for Dredd on Luna-1). Not making this up.

Scanner required...

(https://i.imgur.com/rX1bBbp.png)

Quick roll-call of Starlord and 2000AD characters: Mek-Quake; Hammerstein; Wulf; Johnny; Ardeni; Mr 10%; The Mekon; Starlord; Digby; Tharg; MACH Zero; Walter; Dan Dare; Suzi Cho; Blocker; Ro-Jaws (now idea who that is behind Blocker).
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 16 March, 2021, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 January, 2021, 11:22:07 AM
The Fr1day incarnation of Rogue Trooper ends up in MC1 during Casualties of War (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=900), which inferred that world was Dredd's future (in much the same way Strontium Dog is Dredd's future). But there are all kinds of slight connections to other strips, some of which are extremely tenuous (such as Robo-Hunter being in Brit-Cit, albeit one significantly different from what we see elsewhere).


I think Fr1day had gone through a space, rather than time warp, though it's been decades since I read that story.


I see the Brit-Cit connection as being in name only (also mode of transport - zoom tube) - in much the same way that a story set in New York needn't be in the same 'universe' as another in a city by the same name.  There's also a map of the Pacific Ocean in a 1983 Sam Slade story which bears no relation to what we've seen in the Dreddverse.  That was old Slade which was set around 2150 or so.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 17 March, 2021, 06:42:06 AM
isn't Ciudad Barranquila on the site of present day Barranquila, on the northern coast of Colombia?

and since we are talking Latin America, Guatemala needs an entry.

Great Map.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 March, 2021, 08:55:17 AM
Ciudad Barranquilla is centred on Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 17 March, 2021, 12:53:40 PM
Now I've seen the map full-size can I make a suggestion for the next iteration?  Al's Baby is in the Historical section of Mega-City One.  Seeing as Chicago appears on the map perhaps Al's Baby should be in a historical section for The Cursed Earth instead.  I don't think we've ever seen the 22nd century version, but Chi-Town would probably count as Cursed Earth, even if it is still a city (a lá Las Vegas).
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 March, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Chi-Town is in Las Vegas?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 18 March, 2021, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 17 March, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Chi-Town is in Las Vegas?

Not last time I checked?  Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 18 March, 2021, 02:09:40 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 18 March, 2021, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 17 March, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Chi-Town is in Las Vegas?

Not last time I checked?  Why do you ask?

Oh Grud! I was being super-dense. I've always had this mental block for Chicago where I get it muddled up with Manhatten, so I got confused by your post and thought that you were saying Chi-Town was set in Las Vegas.

All through my life I keep having to re-learn Chicago's actual location - plus the correct spelling of resteraunt restaurant.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 18 March, 2021, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 18 March, 2021, 02:09:40 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 18 March, 2021, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 17 March, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
Chi-Town is in Las Vegas?

Not last time I checked?  Why do you ask?

Oh Grud! I was being super-dense. I've always had this mental block for Chicago where I get it muddled up with Manhatten, so I got confused by your post and thought that you were saying Chi-Town was set in Las Vegas.

All through my life I keep having to re-learn Chicago's actual location - plus the correct spelling of resteraunt restaurant.

Nah - I was saying that in the 22nd century, Chicago / Chi-Town would be in the Cursed Earth, like Las Vegas (as we saw in 2100's Cursed Earth).  Stirling work on the map, btw.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 March, 2021, 04:37:07 AM
Here you go, Sheridan [still best viewed magnified in a new tab]:

(https://i.imgur.com/6nShcs9.png)

I've moved the boxes around a bit for more visual balance, and added Hershey to the Barranquilla box. The gap in the bottom right I think could do some justice to the idea of crossover stories - but in a limited way. Maybe folk can help here, but I know there are tenuous connections to at least the following:

- Fr1day
- Strontium Dog
- Flesh
- The ABC Warriors
- Savage
- Nemesis

What else could I put there, and what would be a good title for that section?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 19 March, 2021, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 March, 2021, 04:37:07 AM
Here you go, Sheridan [still best viewed magnified in a new tab]:

(https://i.imgur.com/6nShcs9.png)

I've moved the boxes around a bit for more visual balance, and added Hershey to the Barranquilla box. The gap in the bottom right I think could do some justice to the idea of crossover stories - but in a limited way. Maybe folk can help here, but I know there are tenuous connections to at least the following:

- Fr1day
- Strontium Dog
- Flesh
- The ABC Warriors
- Savage
- Nemesis

What else could I put there, and what would be a good title for that section?

Excellent!

Both Flesh Book I and Nemesis the Warlock Book I take place in and around London (because Old One Eye's fossils are discovered when a line of the London Underground is being excavated, and the aliens are hidden in the forbidden levels - i.e. the London Underground again - specifically Waterloo - before being shipped away from Termight).
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 29 April, 2023, 07:53:40 PM
Working on a new map and playing around with the location of MC-1.

Question: is there some lore that places Pittsburgh inside the confines of MC-1?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 29 April, 2023, 08:19:54 PM
Quote from: Credo! on 29 April, 2023, 07:53:40 PMWorking on a new map and playing around with the location of MC-1.

Question: is there some lore that places Pittsburgh inside the confines of MC-1?
I remember an infographic in one of the early progs which said that (pre-Apocalypse War) MC1 stretched from Montreal in the north to Georgia in the south, but it didn't say how far west it went. And it was contradicted by the story in the 1980 annual set in "Mega-Miami" anyway.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 29 April, 2023, 09:02:09 PM
Right - the earliest map had it stop way before Florida - but then during the Apoc. War it stretched all the way down there. I think I just go with whatever seems right, considering the blancmange of contradictions on offer.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 30 April, 2023, 04:12:00 AM
Recently having read through to Judge Dredd/Aliens, the prelude 'Out of the Undercity' (progs 1313-1316) places the White House in the Undercity.

I was always under the impression that the Undercity was confined to Manhattan, and not the entire Meg.

Especially given that the Black Atlantic ports on the East side, and Cursed Earth gates along the West Wall, must be ground level. The logic of the Undercity gets a bit strange when you consider sea level - I'd love to see someone tackle an Undercity map which fleshes out the practical implications and how such architecture might be feasible.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 30 April, 2023, 06:49:21 AM

I once had a conversation with John Wagner (yes I did, in Wales), in which we explored the possibility that the Undercity isn't a single continuous area but many places under MC1's foundations which have been domed-off as part of a reclamation/preservation project that never happened.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Tjm86 on 30 April, 2023, 08:25:17 AM
In terms of maps there have been various ones in annuals / progs.  There are several map images in Block Mania that show the Florida panhandle as part of the city (albeit the maps are somewhat distorted). That said, the first Judge Dredd annual map has the city stopping much further North so there are clearly inconsistencies there.

It looks like the city at that time spread westward as far as Louisiana, Illinois and Tennessee.  Some of the Northern parts of the city look like they might have crossed the border into Canada.

The Sov bombardment in the Apocalypse War nuked out "every sector south of the 35th parallel, suggesting that prior to this point the Carolinas down to Miami were part of the city. This is before we get into more recent 'callings' as with the Total War storyline.  Even by the time of the Pit the city was in quite a different state with numerous wide open spaces that hadn't ever really been reclaimed since the AW.

I think Sharkey's idea that different parts of the city have been built from ground level whilst others have been built over / domed-off makes sense. The first appearance with Troggies uses places like The Bronx.  Fergie lives by the Ohio river, the Big Smelly.  The Werewolf storyline used Manhattan.  There is nothing to suggest that these are connected though.

The geography of MC1 has always been something fluid in some respects.  I would agree with LOTP, a map of the undercity as well as the city itself would be an interesting exercise.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 30 April, 2023, 04:23:01 PM
Oh - thanks for the reminder about the Big Smelly being the Ohio river - that's why Pittsburgh is important - it's the start of the Ohio, which then travels west (and out of the city) - which is how Dredd and McGruder sneak in during Necropolis.

I've got two aspects of lore that I need to keep in mind, geographically:

1. Erie (on the southern shore of Lake Erie) needs to be out of the city. (Fog on the Eerie)
2. The city has to encompass Pittsburgh (because of the Big Smelly).

---

Follow here, if ye dare, my tale of mapping woe...

1. I chose an equirectangular projection vector map of the world, but I had to add the lakes myself:

(https://i.imgur.com/dj3Cpza.png)


2. The Cursed Earth (prog 81) with my red annotations:
(https://i.imgur.com/zMtopC7.png)

3. The Judge Child:
(https://i.imgur.com/jzSQwQh.png)

4. JD Mega-Special #1 [vague]
(https://i.imgur.com/55OWvSq.png)

5. Shamballa (701) - Ranson didn't like placing cities on coastlines - so quite abstract.
(https://i.imgur.com/KymX4Kg.png)

6. Map from online:
(https://i.imgur.com/BxcZv9V.png)

7. JD RPG (Mongoose):
(https://i.imgur.com/AIwfjJJ.png)

8. Another vector map project from someone a few years ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/mqt2jAI.png)

9. Based on Bob's Law (from prog 355):
(https://i.imgur.com/vaaoO4T.png)

10. My current fitting:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ua5gPbd.png)

11. With meta-sectors overlaid:
(https://i.imgur.com/E8Wc8hw.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 30 April, 2023, 04:51:39 PM
For the idea of a linked-up Undercity, this uses NASA's "earth at night" map to show us the light pollution (which also shows us the centers of population, and how the various parts of the Undercity might link up, or not):

(https://i.imgur.com/OMQCDkS.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 30 April, 2023, 05:56:54 PM

Maybe something catastrophic happened to MC1 while Dredd was faffing about in the Cursed Earth.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 30 April, 2023, 08:54:33 PM
I think Mega-City One is a bit like Craggy Island, in that its boundaries expand and contract according to the needs of the story. Unlike Craggy Island, though, its west side seems to have expanded, rather than fallen into the sea.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 01 May, 2023, 01:59:00 AM
I'm inclined to agree with your suggestions, my headcannon has been that the Undercity comprises an array of domed/capped off areas that the Meg has grown around, and eventually on top of. These may be loosely connected via other sewers, caverns or foundations. But how the city forms around these domes isn't clear.

I guess it's a bit difficult to imagine how mega structures might work over uneven terrain. Visualisations of MC-1 tend to err with the suggestion of a completely flat base - we see flat, stepped layers bur rarely inclines, unless it's an elevated roadway - so exactly how stacked blocks would maintain form atop natural hills, cliffs or even mountains remains to be seen. I almost want to see an horizontal cross section of the city to see how it's constructed atop the land.

The height of the Undercity has varied over the years, from only the upper floors of the WTC removed, to something a few stories high with entrances directly onto the lower building rooftops. I guess this lends credence to the idea of a dome, or of various different sections.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 01 May, 2023, 07:00:11 AM
Another marker to consider is Cincinnati.

About 300 miles West of Pittsburgh. Similar to Erie, the city "took two close hits during the war".

Of interest to MC-1 but not under their jurisdiction. 

Featured in Progs 1371-1373
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dash Decent on 01 May, 2023, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 30 April, 2023, 04:12:00 AMThe logic of the Undercity gets a bit strange when you consider sea level

Perhaps rising sea levels due to climate change led to the building of sea walls.  The walls then became one side of the 'box' built around and over (part of) the old city.  The sea walls were built sufficiently close to the coastline that we don't see any real change in the shape of the continents on future maps.  Also, the top/'lid' to these boxed-off sections provides some of the nice flat base that gives MC1 it's very even surface.

And yes, I realise how totally ridiculous that would all be given the scale of it all.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 01 May, 2023, 02:42:21 PM

I often wonder about First Contact with aliens - was alien technology used to build MC1? Maybe we should get the descendants of Erich von Däniken on the case...

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 May, 2023, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 01 May, 2023, 01:59:00 AMI'm inclined to agree with your suggestions, my headcannon has been that the Undercity comprises an array of domed/capped off areas that the Meg has grown around, and eventually on top of. These may be loosely connected via other sewers, caverns or foundations. But how the city forms around these domes isn't clear.

I guess it's a bit difficult to imagine how mega structures might work over uneven terrain. Visualisations of MC-1 tend to err with the suggestion of a completely flat base - we see flat, stepped layers bur rarely inclines, unless it's an elevated roadway - so exactly how stacked blocks would maintain form atop natural hills, cliffs or even mountains remains to be seen. I almost want to see an horizontal cross section of the city to see how it's constructed atop the land.

The height of the Undercity has varied over the years, from only the upper floors of the WTC removed, to something a few stories high with entrances directly onto the lower building rooftops. I guess this lends credence to the idea of a dome, or of various different sections.

I always think of the Undercity a bit like under the oldtown in Edinburgh, bits built, used, sealed up forgotten then built on by new generations. Then someone rips out a fireplace...

as an aside I have been told by a cooncil ex-employee that there is a very very corroded iron beam that holds up a very prominent tenement building, but its two stories underground in a basement arch so no one takes ownership of it... only a matter of time  :( and that big bank building on The Mound, moves downhill about an inch a decade.
 
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 May, 2023, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 January, 2021, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 January, 2021, 12:42:33 AMThanks, Funt... or Linton?  I like to think that it's your surname, and your first name is Geoff.


The Geoff Linton?

THE LINTONATOR? wow, yah, yah, you Edwardian cockerel you!
well done on the cartography, perhaps we should get these on pencils cases yah yah...
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 01 May, 2023, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 May, 2023, 03:15:03 PMI always think of the Undercity a bit like under the oldtown in Edinburgh, bits built, used, sealed up forgotten then built on by new generations.

That's how I envisaged it - rather than dome off a big city, you just build enormous foundations, and the base of your block becomes the ceiling of the undercity. Then someone builds a block next to that one. Then someone builds a tween block plaza. You can imagine these city-bottom areas becoming more and more blocked off from sunlight until they're entirely shut-in - an organic, gradual process.

I reasoned my way out of rising sea levels by having the various nuclear explosions causing global cooling and reversing the global warming we're currently experiencing. (And they said nuclear wars were bad! Yah.)

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Quote from: gogilesgo on 01 May, 2023, 07:00:11 AMAnother marker to consider is Cincinnati.

Thanks - noted.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 01 May, 2023, 06:29:58 PM
The original Undercity concept was very much a network of sealed and abandoned subway tunnels and passageways. I imagine this much like the WW2 shelters beneath UK cities (like the Anchor Exchange in Birmingham) or the Paris Catacombs.

Even Las Vegas has, if I recall, effectively an Undercity - giant spillways in case of flooding that have become home to a large homeless population.

I guess the concept has been exaggerated and expanded over the years to include the entirety of Old New York, oddly stuck in the 80s despite being part of the city proper until decades later. Hey, maybe it's a timeslip caused by radiation?

Ties in I suppose with the gradual retconning that the Meg was no longer intentionally constructed in the 2030s, but formed of urban sprawl to be eventually isolated by the nukes.

The Undercity is a great location and definitely an interesting idea, but one I would like to see a little more world building devoted to.
_ _ _

As an aside; Batman: Arkham Knight has a believable Undercity on Founder's Island. The new developments have been built on a platform atop and through the old buildings.

Then we have Futurama which seems to have borrowed quite a lot from Dredd's world, with a mutie-inhabited Old NY.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 01 May, 2023, 07:00:22 PM
Mole People - Living in the Tunnels Beneath New York (https://youtu.be/pnwB0BYL_DE)

Artists who lived in a secret room inside a working mall, for four years. (http://wrafwraf.com/trummerkind.html)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dash Decent on 03 May, 2023, 06:00:31 AM
Quote from: Credo! on 01 May, 2023, 07:00:22 PMArtists who lived in a secret room inside a working mall, for four years. (http://wrafwraf.com/trummerkind.html)

...running a secret faction of ninja Judges.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: AlexF on 04 May, 2023, 10:42:37 AM
Credo!, this is another astonishingly thorough piece of work. Get it published in the Megazine, and it ought to prompt reams of story ideas!
We've had plenty of tales set in the radiactive wastes of teh Cursed Earth, but not enough, I feel, in teh bombed-out sections of Florida. Might there not be even one part that survived the Apocalpyse War, with mutant Judges running a small city sector... perhaps using mutant alligators and living in a swamp-base..? Or, you know, DisneyWorld..?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 04 May, 2023, 12:20:17 PM
I lived in South Carolina for a while. Wonder what it's like in Dredd's time?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 04 May, 2023, 12:30:22 PM

Grim.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 04 May, 2023, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 04 May, 2023, 12:30:22 PMGrim.
So, no change then.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 04 May, 2023, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: nxylas on 04 May, 2023, 12:20:17 PMI lived in South Carolina for a while. Wonder what it's like in Dredd's time?

Before the Apocalypse War?  Halfway to Mega-Miami!

After the Apocalypse War?  A nuclear hellhole, destroyed by Sov TADs.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 May, 2023, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 May, 2023, 03:12:50 PMA nuclear hellhole, destroyed by Sov TADs.

Nerdy nit-pick: the Sovs weren't using TADs - just regular nukes.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Proudhuff on 04 May, 2023, 06:38:12 PM
Not got it to hand, but is the recent reprint of Anderson in the swampy south on there?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 May, 2023, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 04 May, 2023, 10:42:37 AMGet it published in the Megazine

The map I used at the start of this thread isn't mine - only the overlay data. I am developing my own vector map of Dredd's world to satisfy my ability to edit things. I edited in Lake Louisiana just yesterday.

When it's mostly done, I've got a prototype for an interactive version, where you can focus on bits of the map and click on areas to bring up relevant stories. Like click on Murphyville to get a list of all the stories that feature it, kind of thing.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 May, 2023, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 May, 2023, 06:38:12 PMNot got it to hand, but is the recent reprint of Anderson in the swampy south on there?

No - but it will be in the shiny new interactive version I'm working on. I'll need some help from the hive mind to pinpoint complex globe-trotting stories. I went through Devlin's Reign of Frogs saga, and it visits many corners of the world.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Proudhuff on 04 May, 2023, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Credo! on 04 May, 2023, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 May, 2023, 06:38:12 PMNot got it to hand, but is the recent reprint of Anderson in the swampy south on there?

No - but it will be in the shiny new interactive version I'm working on. I'll need some help from the hive mind to pinpoint complex globe-trotting stories. I went through Devlin's Reign of Frogs saga, and it visits many corners of the world.

:P  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 04 May, 2023, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 04 May, 2023, 06:38:12 PMNot got it to hand, but is the recent reprint of Anderson in the Swampy South on there?

I'm not alone, right...?

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 05 May, 2023, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: Credo! on 04 May, 2023, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 May, 2023, 03:12:50 PMA nuclear hellhole, destroyed by Sov TADs.

Nerdy nit-pick: the Sovs weren't using TADs - just regular nukes.

That's the kind of pedantry I love!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 09 June, 2023, 05:41:43 PM
Huh - just discovering now that the idea of irradiated deserts (like The Cursed Earth) are a bit weird, because (all things being equal) the radiation from nukes would decay rather quickly (weeks) so that decades later it wouldn't be the "high rads" situation often depicted.

Perhaps the types of bombs used in Dredd's world were more of a deliberate dirty-nuke idea that caused long-lasting radiation issues?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 June, 2023, 06:03:57 PM

There are currently around 100 nuclear power plants in the USA, each one of them a potential target. Coupled with chemical plants, storage facilities, etc., that's a lot of really toxic shite lying about the place. Conventional bombs would easily spread all that stuff about the environment. Hell, look what those evil idiots at Norfolk Southern did to poor old East Palestine with just a train and an emergency flare.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 09 June, 2023, 08:20:15 PM
I was under the impression that the baking heat and rads were at least in part due to artificial weather control. Protecting the city from fallout meant that weather patterns elsewhere were disrupted, thus the weather outside the city became increasingly chaotic. This resulted in the severe storms, heat and dust bowls.

Factor in also that the retconned Death Belt is said to be a result of experimental anti-grav devices from the Atomic War. Even muties are now explained away not just as a result of radiation, but a side effect from the original anti-rad pills given out by Booth, which protected from radiation but gave high incidence of bizarre birth defects.

This does suggest that the first muties were the children of adult survivors of the Atomic Wars, which does get a little squiffy timeline-wise when muties (and the Cursed Earth in general) are often treated as an age-old staple of Dredd's world, but would actually - especially in earlier stories - have been a rather recent development. In 2099 for example, by the new explanation, there shouldn't have been muties older than late twenties.

In a sci-fi world, you can always subtly update the explanations to make pseudo-scientific sense according to the current frame of reference.

In reality, thousands of nukes have already been tested on land around the world in the past century, prior to moving to simulated testing.

Fun fact - nuke tests at Bikini Atoll were the inspiration for Spongebob, lil' muties on the bottom of the sea.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2023, 05:48:51 AM
Getting close to finishing my new vector map of the Dreddverse. Here's South-Am:

(https://i.imgur.com/4Wm8cQT.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 June, 2023, 07:55:15 AM
Looking forward to the who thing. This is a big thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 12 June, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
Pan-Africa:

(https://i.imgur.com/HGtt0Ea.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Proudhuff on 24 June, 2023, 04:33:03 PM
looking good!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 24 June, 2023, 06:42:17 PM
Working on the general principle that "everything published is true, but also - geography", this is my take on Oz...


(https://i.imgur.com/yBY9YMC.png)


Based partly on this (from Oz):

(https://i.imgur.com/RjZwMTb.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 June, 2023, 07:52:56 PM
Which begs the question: what the heck happened to Perth? Did the residents just decide they wanted to be an island?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 24 June, 2023, 08:20:32 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 June, 2023, 07:52:56 PMWhich begs the question: what the heck happened to Perth? Did the residents just decide they wanted to be an island?
Atomicwardidit
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 24 June, 2023, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 June, 2023, 07:52:56 PMwhat the heck happened to Perth?

The only lore to follow-up on Brendan McCarthy's whimsical map and admit the existence of Perth Island is the Jihad audio drama - but I don't know if it goes into any detail about the how.

My personal space math hypothesis is a combination of over-mining and some kind of atomic wars experimental defensive shield (like the one used by East-Meg One) that had an unfortunate side effect - maybe 'porting all the incoming nukes into a neat line in an already weakened crust.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 24 June, 2023, 09:15:14 PM

Whatever happened, it was obviously Perth-shattering.

I'll get me rad-smock.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 24 June, 2023, 10:03:33 PM
Also, what happened to Bananaland on your map?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2023, 06:49:27 AM
Quote from: nxylas on 24 June, 2023, 10:03:33 PMAlso, what happened to Bananaland on your map?

Option #1: I was modeling my map on the 701 Shamballa map, which doesn't indicate borders.
Option #2: Bananaland (& the Fostaoperahauz*) cross some kind of invisible silly-boundary.
Option #3: It's there, just not labeled.

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I wasn't sure what to do with Chunder Range* - does it mean a range of hills? A range like rangeland for grazing? Is it a place or a town or a city? Or is it just somewhere that McCarthy boked when he was touring Oz?


*Actually on my vector map, but set to invisible at the moment.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: 13school on 25 June, 2023, 07:15:40 AM
Putting on my Sydney-Melbourne conurb resident's hat - though going by your map I'm actually just outside of it, as in 121 years Melbourne seems to have expanded 0kms west - it's much more likely (for this particular region's values of "likely") that the bulk of the conurb would largely be along roughly a straight line between Melbourne and Sydney (though more along the coast going towards Sydney), just because all the population centers and transport routes are in roughly a straight line between the two. And if you really wanted to be realistic, the part spreading out from Melbourne would go a lot further north and north-west-ish, just because that's where the people are currently.

So yeah, maybe expand it inland a little.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2023, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: 13school on 25 June, 2023, 07:15:40 AMSo yeah, maybe expand it inland a little.

I hear ya. Like, we could expand it up into Shepperton, and then include Wangaratta & Albury - connecting us to Canberra (which is currently included). My problem there is that I didn't want the city to encompass the Snowy Mountains. (Also - tempting to nuke Canberra - just for laughs.)

Australians, mountaineering:
(https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/-/media/npws/images/events/cto/wild-things-anatomy/wild-things-anatomy-01.jpg)

Like, MC-1 does contain the Appalachians (which we've never really seen in-strip), but I just thought I should avoid mountain ranges where possible, and I didn't want to make a hole in the Conurb, because it's usually depicted as a whole coastal strip.

Here's my height map underlay, and you can see that I've had the city skirt around the Snowy's:
(https://i.imgur.com/xweI0od.png)

And this is the night-lights underlay:
(https://i.imgur.com/pcKyonO.png)

I'll play around, though, and fire out some options.

Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2023, 06:19:01 PM
Just for the sake of interest, these are the source maps:

JD Meg's first world map:
(https://i.imgur.com/1FdubNt.png)

Shamballa map:
(https://i.imgur.com/N63pvcd.png)

Oz map:
(https://i.imgur.com/l2afjjF.png)

Movie map:
(https://i.imgur.com/tWeUvbO.png)

Mongoose RPG map:
(https://i.imgur.com/WrQFqei.png)

Recent-ish fan map:
(https://i.imgur.com/40pb6Ti.png)

Not sure where this came from map:
(https://i.imgur.com/uzCpuV0.png)


Some of them don't actually include Melbourne, or just clip it.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2023, 08:53:27 PM
I made an optionally larger Conurb - inflating around Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra just a little:

(https://i.imgur.com/bL1loHQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/GF69hoa.png)

Good news for folk in Ballarat, but seems like Bendigo, Shepparton & Wangarata were outside of the defenses when Booth went nuke crazy.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: 13school on 26 June, 2023, 08:14:16 AM
Yeah, the Great Dividing Range is the big problem - it seems a bit unlikely that my childhood home town of Sale (or Gippsland in general) would make it into the Conurb while an actual population center like Bendigo misses out (and presumably Geelong would get nuked right away, what with having a refinery on the edge of town). But having the Conurb entirely inland doesn't make much sense either

Presumably all the Mega-Cities are just based on the parts that didn't get nuked out, and there's nothing currently on the stretch of coast that the Conurb runs along so it makes sense that the survivors moved there and turned tiny holiday towns like Seaspray into bustling megapolis
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dash Decent on 26 June, 2023, 03:18:26 PM
Funt, are you an Aussie?  I hadn't realised.

I take the Chunder Ranges to be a mountain range of some sort, like the Great Dividing Range.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 June, 2023, 07:52:56 PMWhich begs the question: what the heck happened to Perth? Did the residents just decide they wanted to be an island?

Western Australia has grumbled a few times about pulling the pin and ceding from the rest of Australia.  I don't think they'd necessarily be unhappy about Perth being its own island.

I'm looking forward to the map of Hondo and surrounds.  Has Sino-cit completely bricked up the South China Sea.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 26 June, 2023, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 26 June, 2023, 03:18:26 PMFunt, are you an Aussie?  I hadn't realised.
No, I'm Scottish. Perhaps a bit Aussie, though, in an honorary capacity - as some locals once shouted "go back to the country, you fuckin' feral" at me, in a park in Shepparton. I definitely felt a sense of belonging to the culture at that point. (To be fair, I was rather feral.) I spent a year in Oz, though - and managed to get about the place a bit. My sister lives in Cowell - over on the Eyre Peninsula. She's got Aussie citizenship now. I live in the US.


Quote from: Dash Decent on 26 June, 2023, 03:18:26 PMI'm looking forward to the map of Hondo and surrounds.

This is a work in progress, and I'm feeling it might be too cluttered with labels. What do you think?

(https://i.imgur.com/UWG7ALX.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: sheridan on 27 June, 2023, 08:57:50 AM
Nothing to add, but good work!
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 29 June, 2023, 06:28:19 AM
Thanks, Sheridan. It's slowly coming together...

(https://i.imgur.com/dH0yIJs.png)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 July, 2023, 02:12:33 AM
Currently trying to draw up a list of stories set in The Undercity.

I have the obvious three:
 - Cry of the Werewolf
 - The Day the Law Died
 - Necropolis

I know there's an effective sequel to Werewolf - does anyone recall the name of that one?

And any others?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: NapalmKev on 02 July, 2023, 07:34:16 AM
- Creep

Cheers
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 02 July, 2023, 08:56:50 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 02 July, 2023, 02:12:33 AMCurrently trying to draw up a list of stories set in The Undercity.

I know there's an effective sequel to Werewolf - does anyone recall the name of that one?

And any others?

Out of the Undercity Progs 1313-1315
Aliens Incubus Progs 1322–1335
Ratfink's Revenge Meg 328-330
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 02 July, 2023, 11:02:56 AM
The Ewing/Davis-Hunt Tempest series (can't recall if there were two or three).
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: nxylas on 02 July, 2023, 02:40:01 PM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 02 July, 2023, 07:34:16 AM- Creep

Cheers
Bit rude, he only asked a question.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 02 July, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
Further Undercity tales;

The Troggies (progs 36-37) features a proto-Undercity.

Anderson, Psi Div: The Possessed (progs 468-478)

Anderson, Psi Div: Reasons to be Cheerful (meg 2.20-2.11)

Karyn: Concrete Sky (meg 2.67-2.62)

Lobo/Judge Dredd: Psycho Bikers vs The Mutants from Hell (one-shot crossover)

Daily Dredds:
The Undercity (14/08/82)

Text Stories:
Everything Must Go (meg 206)

Novels:
Dreddlocked
Dredd Dominion (alternate continuum Undercity)
Judge Dredd vs. Death
Anderson, Psi Div: Fear the Darkness

IDW - JD: Deviations (alternate universe sequel to Cry of the Werewolf)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Leigh S on 02 July, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 02 July, 2023, 02:46:06 PMFurther Undercity tales;

The Troggies (progs 36-37) features a proto-Undercity.

Anderson, Psi Div: The Possessed (progs 468-478)

Anderson, Psi Div: Reasons to be Cheerful (meg 2.20-2.11)

Karyn: Concrete Sky (meg 2.67-2.62)

Lobo/Judge Dredd: Psycho Bikers vs The Mutants from Hell (one-shot crossover)

Daily Dredds:
The Undercity (14/08/82)

Text Stories:
Everything Must Go (meg 206)

Novels:
Dreddlocked
Dredd Dominion (alternate continuum Undercity)
Judge Dredd vs. Death
Anderson, Psi Div: Fear the Darkness

IDW - JD: Deviations (alternate universe sequel to Cry of the Werewolf)

Theres a second serialied Daily Star Dredd from 1988 called the Undercity - ran from May to Aug and is in Volume 2 of the Rebellion collections

The Alligator story from the 300's was the sewers rather than the Undercity?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 July, 2023, 05:06:21 PM
This is all gold - thanks!

(Data will become part of interactive Dredd-map.)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 July, 2023, 11:08:55 PM
and the post-Chaos Day Goblin King.

Back to the map - Remind me: What's the Web and where was it mentioned?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dash Decent on 04 July, 2023, 01:27:43 AM
Quote from: Lawman of the Present on 02 July, 2023, 02:46:06 PMIDW - JD: Deviations (alternate universe sequel to Cry of the Werewolf)

If we're including IDW, I think "Toxic" may have some undercity stuff in it?  Or perhaps it was more 'maintenance level', so below habitation but not undercity.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 July, 2023, 04:44:30 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 04 July, 2023, 01:27:43 AMIf we're including IDW

I've been including anything I can get data for (prog, Meg, audio, novel, IDW). Having said that, I've been avoiding the Mongoose RPG.


Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 July, 2023, 11:08:55 PMRemind me: What's the Web and where was it mentioned?
It's a massive, mutated coral structure that grows both in water and on land, and has spread over (apparently) all of Indonesia. (The yellow coloring on Borneo *might* be related, but originates from "mutagens" on the Shamballa map.)

Mentions of The Web are from the aptly-titled Web (meg 3.19) and The Hard Way (2250-2255).

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Next thing I'm looking for is Dreddverse time travel stories. I already have this list:

Top Dogs
City of the Damned
Judgement Day
In the Year 2120 (callback to City of the Damned)
Darkside (callback to City of the Damned)
Project Providence
Dead Zone: Invisible (the one about the magic bracelet from the future)

What am I missing?


Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: NapalmKev on 04 July, 2023, 05:47:08 AM
The Exterminator.

Cheers
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 04 July, 2023, 12:47:08 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 04 July, 2023, 04:44:30 AMNext thing I'm looking for is Dreddverse time travel stories. I already have this list:

Not exhaustive, but here are a few more

The Invisible Man Prog 134-135 (does this count as time travel?)
Time Retrieval Daily Star 31/12/83
Time Stretcher Daily Start 29/6/85
The Squadron That Time Forgot Prog 446
The Power of the Gods prog 600 (Can't quite recall but I think there was some time back and forth)
Time Machine Progs 889 - 890
What Ever Happened To Bill Clinton? Meg 2.81
Repeat Offender Meg 2.81
Fog on the Eerie progs 1037-1040 (Dredd &co almost fried in The Atom Wars)
Breaking Bud progs 1929-1933 (sequel to Dead Zone, featuring future cops)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2023, 01:05:30 PM
Off the top of my head you're missing these Dredd stories:

The Other Slab Tynan
The Squadron that Time Forgot
Night of the Ripper
Time Machine
Judge Death - The True Story
Dead Reckoning
Travels with Muh Shrink
Fog on the Eerie
The Strange Case of Bill Clinton
Whatever happened to Bill Clinton?
Generation Killer
Tempus Fugitive
Time and Again
Time's Squared
By Private Contract

Sure there's some that have escaped me, though.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2023, 01:58:38 PM
Oops, didn't see GGG's post. Sone duplication there.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 04 July, 2023, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2023, 01:58:38 PMOops, didn't see GGG's post. Sone duplication there.

No matter. Great call on Generation Killer - that's a lot of fun
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2023, 03:45:32 PM
Quote from: GoGilesGo on 04 July, 2023, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 04 July, 2023, 01:58:38 PMOops, didn't see GGG's post. Sone duplication there.

No matter. Great call on Generation Killer - that's a lot of fun

My first prog, so it's a one-off that's burned deep into my synapses! I've spent 23 years and counting waiting for Dredd to have a return match with Imal...
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 04 July, 2023, 05:19:55 PM
Of course "Travels with Muh Shrink"! Thanks for more lists of gold!

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Okay - the reward for doing brilliantly is more questions.

I've got two more lists on the go:

1. Multiverse
(Alternative earths - or dimensions, but within the Dredd-canon.)
Department K
The Apocalypse War - alt. earth from Apocalypse Warp
Samizdat Squad [Black Flowers] - alt. earth from Apocalypse Warp
Devlin Waugh [Blood Debt] - The Chasm of Perpetual Delight and Endless Sorrow
Devlin Waugh [Kiss of Death] - The Lost City of Grok
Judge Dredd [Helter Skelter]
Judge Dredd [Choose Your Own Xmas]
Judge Dredd [Dread Dominion] [novel]
Judge Dredd [Perchance to Dream] - alternity special
Judge Dredd [The Medieval Dredd] - alternity special
Judge Dredd [A Dream of a Thousand Flowers]


2. Crossovers
(Where the Dreddverse interacts with other comic realities.)
Batman / Judge Dredd
Lobo/Judge Dredd [Psycho Bikers vs The Mutants from Hell]
Predator vs Judge Dredd
Armoured Gideon [The Collector]
Nemesis the Warlock [Book V: The Vengeance of Thoth]- MILLSVERSE
Judge Dredd vs Razorjack [The Corrosion]
Skizz III [The Gunlords of Omega Ceti]
Sinister Dexter [Wish You Were Here]
Judge Dredd - Casualties Of War - ROGUE
Judge Dredd - Hammerstein - MILLSVERSE
Judge Dredd - Exit the Dragon - ACE GARP
Judge Dredd - End of Days - ICHABOD
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: NapalmKev on 04 July, 2023, 05:27:15 PM

Crossover.

Dredd Vs Aliens.

Cheers
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 05 July, 2023, 08:17:28 AM
This seems a decent place to start for Crossovers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_crossovers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_crossovers)

In addition, IDW experimented with a few Dredd crossovers some years back:


(https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/120/4103936.jpg)
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Lawman of the Present on 05 July, 2023, 11:54:18 AM
My understanding was that the X-Files one was just a variant cover and not an actual story?
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: AlexF on 06 July, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
That one from the latest Xmas Prog (I think?) where 3 versions of Dredd all meet?

Also the latest One-Eyed-Jack story from the Meg is both time travel and crossover.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: GoGilesGo on 06 July, 2023, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 06 July, 2023, 10:01:11 AMThat one from the latest Xmas Prog (I think?) where 3 versions of Dredd all meet?

Trinity by Ken Niemand. Definite crossover that you could also call a time travel piece given the age digs directed at prog Dredd by both Urban and Stallone Dredds (surely in continuity they would all be the same age).

Back to the Undercity, I just re-read Dredd Vs Predator today. It remains a little underwhelming but the final fight takes place in what looks like the concreted over Manhattan.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Dash Decent on 07 July, 2023, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 04 July, 2023, 05:27:15 PMCrossover.

Dredd Vs Aliens.

Cheers

Not to mention the more recent Predator vs Judge Dredd vs Aliens.

If covers are allowed, there was definitely an Archie/Dredd cover.  Archie has had two crossovers with the Predators (plus also President Obama, Kiss, and the Ramones, to mention just a few), so there's a two degrees of Archie Andrews connection going on there.

As for time travel stories, "The Magnificent Time Box of Professor Q Poopsnaggle" was going to be published in prog 32,818, but some idiot went back in time and mentioned it on the internet in 2023 so we had to pull it from the publication schedule.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 07 July, 2023, 12:48:15 PM
Shako showing up in both Mega-City 1 and the Kingdomverse should also not go without mention.

The CIAs most wanted bear in multiple dimensions.
Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 July, 2023, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 07 July, 2023, 12:37:19 PMThe Magnificent Time Box of Professor Q Poopsnaggle

++absorbing data++


Title: Re: Dreddverse Map
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 July, 2023, 07:05:52 PM
Realizing that a single listing for MC-1 was going to be far, far too long - I designed a method of splitting it up into content-chunks with a callout:

(https://i.imgur.com/hDYhhGc.png)