JUDGE DREDD GOES INTO PRODUCTION FALL 2010
RELIANCE BIG PICTURES TO FINANCE
Reliance BIG Pictures, together with IM Global, the international sales company that Reliance acquired only last week, will finance DNA's 3D production of JUDGE DREDD, a $45 million film adaptation of the iconic 2000 AD comic-book character created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra.
Filming will take place over the fourth quarter of 2010 in Johannesburg.
JUDGE DREDD is being made by the writer/producer partnership behind The Beach, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Sunshine, and Never Let Me Go. Alex Garland, Andrew Macdonald and Allon Reich will produce a script written by Garland.
Pete Travis, director of Omagh, Vantage Point, and Endgame will direct. Wagner will be a creative consultant on the film.
DNA has engaged Michael Murphy (District 9) as South African co-producer.
Jason Kingsley and Chris Kingsley, owners of Rebellion/2000 AD, will co-produce.
Said John Wagner: 'Alex Garland's script is faithful to the original concept that made Judge Dredd a favourite bad-ass hero. It's a high-octane slay ride through the dark underbelly of the vast future city. A fan pleaser. With their track record, I have every faith in Alex Garland, Andrew Macdonald and Allon Reich.'
Said Alex Garland: 'I grew up reading Judge Dredd. The incredible writers and artists of 2000 AD were formative influences on me. Andrew, Allon and I have developed this adaptation of Judge Dredd with an emphasis on adrenaline and realism, but with all the scale and spectacle of Mega-City One. We think Pete's propulsive, edgy style is a perfect match for the project.'
The deal was negotiated on behalf of Reliance by IM Global CEO Stuart Ford assisted by attorneys Strook and Strook with DNA principals Macdonald and Reich, DNA head of business affairs Jo Smith, and Miles Ketley of Wiggin & Co. Ford's IM Global will handle international sales on the project.
About Reliance Big Entertainment:
Reliance BIG Entertainment Ltd. (RBEL) is the flagship media and entertainment arm of India's Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group, with a significant presence in film entertainment (film production, distribution, and exhibition), broadcasting and new media ventures.
RBEL's motion picture brand, Reliance BIG Pictures (www.reliancebigpictures.com) has built an impressive film production slate in Hindi, English & other Indian languages, which it markets and distributes worldwide. Following Reliance BIG Pictures' association with IM Global, the company now benefits from an international sales team with an excellent reputation and global presence dedicated to selling its Bollywood and regional language slate.
In Hollywood, Reliance BIG Pictures has partnered with Steven Spielberg and Stacey Snider on the formation of DreamWorks Studios and has development deals with Nicolas Cage's Saturn Films, Jim Carrey's JC 23 Entertainment, George Clooney's Smokehouse Productions, Chris Columbus' 1492 Pictures, Tom Hanks' Playtone Productions, Brad Pitt's Plan B Entertainment, Jay Roach's Everyman Pictures, Brett Ratner's Rat Entertainment, Julia Roberts' Red Om Films and Brian Gazer and Ron Howard's Imagine Entertainment.
RBEL's group company, Reliance MediaWorks Limited (www.reliancemediaworks.com), is India's fastest growing film and entertainment services company and a member of the Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group. It operates BIG Cinemas, India's largest cinema chain with over 525 screens spread across India, US, Malaysia, Nepal and Netherlands. Reliance MediaWorks has a dominant and comprehensive presence in Film Services: Motion Picture Processing and DI; Visual Effects; Film Restoration and Image Enhancement; Animation; 2D to 3D Conversion; Digital Mastering: Studios and Equipment rentals with presence across at US, UK, Japan and India. Reliance MediaWorks' television venture, BIG Synergy, is among the top players in the television programming industry.
The Reliance Anil Dhirubhai Ambani Group (www.relianceada.com) is amongst India's top three business houses and has interests in telecommunications, energy, financial services, infrastructure and media and entertainment.
About IM Global:
IM Global was founded in March 2007 by former Miramax International head Stuart Ford. The company quickly established itself as one of the leading sales agents in the international community handling a wide variety of mainstream commercial, arthouse and genre fare.
The company is one of the most prolific players in the international arena, and its slate currently has in post production Oren Peli's Area 51, Will Ferrell starrer Everything Must Go, The Astral from SAW director James Wan, The Company Men with Ben Affleck and Tommy Lee Jones, and John Cusack thriller The Factory. In active pre-production are Halle Berry starrer Dark Tide, Kevin Costner starring and directing vehicle A Little War Of Our Own, Protection starring Dwayne Johnson, and Madonna's directorial debut W.E. In May of 2010 it was announced that Reliance Big Pictures had acquired a majority interest in the company.
Awesome! That is all that needs to be said.
Fantastic! Congrats to all involved for their hard work so far!
Quote from: Cyber-Matt on 13 May, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
...will finance DNA's 3D production of JUDGE DREDD...
This seems to imply to me that it will be filmed in 3D, rather than a 2D to 3D post production conversion. If this is so, then
awesome sauce!
ARSOM!
All the best for this new production.
Seriously looking forward to this!
Roll on the release date!
Ok, now I'm excited! :)
I'll put aside my hurumphing at 3D for one time only.
HURRAY.
There, did you enjoy it? Normal service will be resumed immediately.
This sounds very cool. Looking forward to seeing and hearing all the reveals as they happen!
Ok so with this much actually stated and sorted is this the kinda time when its pretty surprising if it falls over? Is it time if not to count our chickens to at least have a nosey to get a rough estimate?
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Well done to everyone involved so far - I wish you all the luck in the world!
Of course I'll only 100% believe this is actually going to happen when we see the first production photos....
Shall we retire the old thread now?
So you're saying it's been "green lit"? Or should that be red and green lit? badum-tish!* Geddit?
*yes, I know it's usually red and blue, and that's also not the 3D technique used now, but I've been waiting two days to do that gag. :-P
Fantastic News!
To see this rubber stamped now has made a lot of Fans very happy indeed especially seeing as those who actually know, create and were brought up with Dredd are behind it.
All the very best with this!
I HOPE. In response to Radiator's thoughts about characterization - that Dredd is like, a minor character in the film. LIKE JESUS IN BEN-HUR.
I know that's just echoing (maybe) Mark Millar's treatment for a Superman film but I wouldn't mind if Dredd played second fiddle. He'd have more impact that way. Let the city and the perps do the characterisation for ye.
In a word, Fan-smegging-tastic. :D
:D :D :D :D :D!
Three thumbs up!
Quote from: James S on 13 May, 2010, 01:12:56 PM
ARSOM!
What he said!
Cant wait till the first pics start to sneak out and also look forward to the "Win tickets to the premier" competition.... right guys?? Hello? :D
Its been mentioned several times that the producers have a certain actor in mind - Wagner stated a while ago:
QuoteI'm not at liberty to name names....but the one I've heard suggested seems an excellent choice. He's got the looks and he's got the voice.
I've heard vague rumours about two particular actors -
Gerard Butler and
Thomas Jane.
Out of the two, Jane seems the more likely option - Butler is quite a big name these days so is probably out of their price range. Personally I think that's a good thing - he was fun in
300, but the guy can't do a decent American accent and he's been in quite a few stinkers lately.
I haven't seen Jane in anything, so can't really comment, but on the face of it he seems a pretty good choice.
Those that suggest
Jason Statham need their heads examined (sorry bluemeanie!) - he would be an awful choice and like Butler can't do the accent.
My personal preference would be
Ron Perlman, though again he might be too big a star, and he might also be considered as too old.
Wow! So does this mean... it's actually happening? Really happening?
QuoteWow! So does this mean... it's actually happening? Really happening?
It would appear so.
Jock posted this the other day
Quoteglad this news has broke - i've been wanting to let you all know things were still moving forward and to not lose faith but had to bite my lip...
heading up for another meeting with DNA on friday, it's all systems go.
I'm sure there are more potential hurdles for the production to get past and it could still all fall apart (as with any movie in pre-production), but the news so far is very encouraging.
Hope hope hope this turns out to be the Dredd film we've always dreamed of. All the ingredients are there.
Quote from: radiator on 13 May, 2010, 03:29:47 PMMy personal preference would be Ron Perlman, though again he might be too big a star, and he might also be considered as too old.
Depends on what point in Dredd's life they go for. It'd be fun to have an older Dredd played by Perlman at the start and the rest of the film play out in flashback. Perlman was born to play Hellboy, of course, but an older Dredd also seems to be his supplementary destiny. ;)
The only thing that might count against Jane is he appeared as Punisher and some actors are wary about playing too many characters from comics (especially as Dredd and Frank Castle have similarities), although I think that is changing now too given the success of Iron Man.
Quote from: Emperor on 13 May, 2010, 04:40:18 PM
Depends on what point in Dredd's life they go for. It'd be fun to have an older Dredd played by Perlman at the start and the rest of the film play out in flashback.
Well if you went down that route, wouldn't it just be an idea to go straight for Clint Eastwood?
Jane has the muscle and the chin, he'd be the perfect choice (not to heavy on the $45 mill' budget either)!
That all sounds like good news but it would be good if they could find some more cash for the budget but having said that it may be sufficient anyway.
Not at all keen on the idea of the film being in 3D as i see it as a gimmick and it possibly jumping on the Avatar bandwagon.Its not like its a pre-requisite for a good film and i see it as a waste of time and money.
I curious why they are choosing to film in Jihannisburg.
I assume cost is the reason for the filming in South Africa. I guess it has a industrial enough inner city to act as a good backdrop. As for the 3d aspect, if you don't like it, ignore it and go see it in 2d :) that's what I'll do.
Tom Jane as Dredd?
He just wants his drokking kids back!
anyone who gets that reference gets mailed a biscuit
Hung.
Garibaldi please. :D
He's a good choice too.
AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS NOW :D :D :D
Amazing news. Dredds first proper film imo.I'm glad Hollyweird are'nt involved,we might get a true faitfull attempt.I hope they get a badass Special forces soilder for the judges post film weapons training.Dredd and the boys need to be like super urban commandos in the way they move with guns and hand to hand combat.Get some ex SAS now ;)
And keep the helmet on.
I've just cum.
Thomas Jane too wimpy, he'd need to seriously beef up although they can pad the suit out to give him more bulk i suppose.
I'd say go for Pearlman, no guarantee we'll get follow up movie so go balls out and make the best movie you can first so his age isn't an issue.
Death seems the obvious choice for bad guy but may be too supernatural for inclusion in what will be sold as a sci-fi film.
They need to show the city, what it is like to live there, why they need Judges etc...
Dredd is about crime and crime is what they must show.
Anything that appeared in the Stallone movie will be avoided here, they will not want to make any comparisons with that, so no Angel Gang, no Cursed Earth, no Day The Law Died storyline but hey... there are hundreds of other Dredd tales they can plunder for a plot.
And the Judges need to be real bad ass, zero tolerance stuff.
I'm trying not to get too excited about this, I really hope it's good but until I'm sittin there in the cinema with a grin on my face as the end credits roll I'll hold off on the woopin and hollerin.
Oh, and ditch the gimick 3D and spend the money on production.
Great news!
If this turns out to be a hit it could have an amazing effect on Dredd's (and by association, 2000ads) profile.
Now we just need to hope that the ABCs cartoon is out around the same time and we'll have a multi-media 2000ad offensive!
QuoteDeath seems the obvious choice for bad guy but may be too supernatural for inclusion in what will be sold as a sci-fi film.
Anything that appeared in the Stallone movie will be avoided here, they will not want to make any comparisons with that, so no Angel Gang, no Cursed Earth, no Day The Law Died storyline but hey... there are hundreds of other Dredd tales they can plunder for a plot.
I've already said on the other thread, but I'd much rather they leave out all the big name villains for the first one - I'd quite like the antagonists to be a human threat like Whitey Logan or Total War - make the first movie a simple police procedural/chase movie - Wagner's rather vague description seems to suggest this may be the direction they're going in.
If there is ever a sequel then they afford to be a bit more ambitious and put some of the crazier elements from Dredd's world on the screen, but overall I hope they use Batman Begins as a template - trim all the weirder excesses from the source material and make it work in a more realistic context.
I quite like the idea of a really intense movie where there are numerous shoot outs, chases etc building to a nerve-shredding, action-packed climax, take the audience right to the edge of they're seat.... then at the end of the movie Dredd returns to base and the audience realise that as far as Dredd's concerned it's just been another ordinary shift!
I am pleased.
ARSOM ARSOM ARSOM ARSOM.
I am trying not to get too excited about this and to keep me expectations low but TBH fuck it, it is going to be ARSOM.
V
The City should be the protagonist. It should be Sci-Fi based but with Cop Show grounding. The whole film should be one day from start to finish with a big kick ass Graveyard shift, and a common thread - maybe a serial killer (Maybe?) running throughout as an arc to pull it all together.
No Death, Mean Machine or other large villans, it should be the streets and future crime that kick ass in this film. I want it raw, bloody and well [spoiler]fuckin[/spoiler] mean and moody with Dredd being the biggest and best mean and moody [spoiler]motherfucker[/spoiler] out there.
If any of you have seen District Nine think about the last 15 minutes of that film, gritty, raw and no holes barred... that's how I want my Dredd!
Thomas Jane would be fine by me, he's an excellent actor -Boogie Nights is a favourite- he's also a massive comic book fan.
Who said Jane is a wimp?
(http://whatsontv.co.uk/blogs/tvspy/files/2008/08/thomas_jane.jpg)
I hope this production goes well, shooting it in Jo'burg means that $1 is probably worth a lot more there.
How many of you put your hand over the top of his head in the photo. I know I did.
Not got the chin.
V
I am somewhat excited by this latest news.
May I politely ask that if there are bike cannons the sound effects actually make my ears bleed in the cinema. Thankyou.
And that they blow people to bloody chunks and a reddish mist.
Dredd wise, Josh Brolin has got a big old chin. And a suitably gruff voice.
I think a little bit of wee just came out
The zenith of human achievement is at hand! Well apart from tacos and chip butties. :)
This is great news and very exciting.
I wouldn't mind at all if they plumped for Thomas Jane to play Dredd.
I wonder what age range they're going to aim the movie at?
How outrageous a casting decision would it be to have a very old Dredd as a framing device and have him played by Clint Eastwood?
Quote from: Garageman on 13 May, 2010, 08:11:13 PM
Thomas Jane would be fine by me, he's an excellent actor -Boogie Nights is a favourite- he's also a massive comic book fan.
(http://whatsontv.co.uk/blogs/tvspy/files/2008/08/thomas_jane.jpg)
...not only that, these are specifically his types of comics. He hates superhero comics, but he loves sci-fi/fantasy, crime-noir, and horror comics. Is he my ideal choice? No. But he ain't bad at all either.
My primary choices are:
- Gerard Butler
- Mark Strong
- Ray Stevenson
- Kevin Durand(although his buck-toothed look may bother some)
ARSOM. Get it right this time, that's all I ask.
(http://www.crusaderdesign.co.uk/img/JD_ThomasJane.jpg)
Thomas Jane doesent look so bad actually in the kit (respect to Judge Minty for the photo)
YOU DIDN'T MODIFY THAN CHIN DID YOU?
Yeah I think Jane's not a bad idea for a young(er) Dredd.
I'm surprised Rebellion haven't done a Judge Yourself app for phones where it sticks a helmet on your photos...
Come on folks get real...
(http://stars.hitflip.de/Ron_Perlman_HF_L_2_60107_24041.gif)
He can act and he's got the chin ffs
Good luck to the people behind this. I really hope it goes well.
But I'm not getting excited. Once bitten...
Quote from: Steve Green on 14 May, 2010, 07:48:00 AM
I'm surprised Rebellion haven't done a Judge Yourself app for phones where it sticks a helmet on your photos...
Best idea in this thread ;-)
Quote from: LARF on 14 May, 2010, 08:50:18 AM
Come on folks get real...
(http://stars.hitflip.de/Ron_Perlman_HF_L_2_60107_24041.gif)
He can act and he's got the chin ffs
Perlman's too weird looking, that's why he's usually caked in make-up.
Jane maybe good one for Dredd, Perlman a great choice!
but still think that Michael Hogan of Battlestar Galactica a perfect dredd if helemt still on! well I bet many of you put your hand over the top of his head in the photo!
(http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michael-hogan.jpg)
I didnt doctor the chin on him when i put a photoshop mask and pasted him in he almost lined up perfectly (weird or what)
As for placing your hands above the chin to see the dredd jawline lol i admit i did it! :D
I'm siding with Ron Perlman Block on this one.
Quote from: Garageman on 14 May, 2010, 09:11:55 AM
Quote from: LARF on 14 May, 2010, 08:50:18 AM
Come on folks get real...
(http://stars.hitflip.de/Ron_Perlman_HF_L_2_60107_24041.gif)
He can act and he's got the chin ffs
Perlman's too weird looking, that's why he's usually caked in make-up.
He'll have a helmet on, you'll only see the chin!
Great news!
Great news. That press release says all the right words for me. Hope it follows through.
I don't think Perlman is 'weird' looking - he has a certain unconventional look for sure, but I count that as a strength - I'd rather that than have someone that is too young and too conventionally handsome.
I also think Perlman would really nail Dredd's curmudgeonly, slighty sarcastic nature too.
Having said that, I do expect them to go with someone younger....
I've been thinking about actors that have worked with Dredd's producers in the past - it's possible that they may be looking to work with some of the same actors again....
How about Jeremy Renner for Dredd? He played Sgt Doyle in 28 Weeks Later. Rose Byrne (Sunshine, 28 Weeks Later) as Hershey?
This news is so good it makes me want to submit a Dredd script to 2000AD involving the hunt for a multiple-doppelganger perp named John Arsom so I can shoehorn in some dialogue like:
Judge 1: "Is this Arsom?"
Dredd: "This is Arsom!"
simply so I can post the panel of Dredd declaring that THIS IS ARSOM everywhere.
Oh, and his family would run Arsom Industries, so we could get some hover trucks with ARSOM written on the side in the background of various panels.
I'm with Josh Brolin block - who you fightin' with?
STATHAM.
Seriously though, Perlman is just too funny looking. Dredd's not supposed to be ugly.
Cool news!
Keeping ear to the ground for more snippets of info!
Can someone post Dredd-candidates-with-helmets so I can keep track of all the contenders?
Still Perlman for me - the chin, grizzly bugger with a presence, acting ability, known quantity, billing-wise, won't mind at all keeping the helmet on his bonce, etc.
I stand by my belief that there is only one man who has the chin to play Dredd. David Coulthard.
Get Ron Perlman to dub his voice and we have a winning Dredd
Quote from: ming on 14 May, 2010, 02:21:23 PM
Can someone post Dredd-candidates-with-helmets so I can keep track of all the contenders?
Still Perlman for me - the chin, grizzly bugger with a presence, acting ability, known quantity, billing-wise, won't mind at all keeping the helmet on his bonce, etc.
Im up for creating them if someone can give me a list so far :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendgreen/sets/72157622391190853/
If you need different angles to match photos...
Excellent thanks Steve (btw been a member of your fb group for sometime) This gives me something to do this weekend hurrah! :)
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 14 May, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
STATHAM.
Seriously though, Perlman is just too funny looking. Dredd's not supposed to be ugly.
or bald.
was in one of Progs that Dredd got shaved head?
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 13 May, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
Tom Jane as Dredd?
He just wants his drokking kids back!
anyone who gets that reference gets mailed a biscuit
This is doing my head in now.
And I like the Thomas Jane idea. I'm surprised I hadn't thought of that before since I pimp him for every other film under the sun.
Great news though. Can't wait to hear more about this!
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If Pearlman gets cast as Dredd i would just see Ron Pearlman in a judges helmet.Jane is not as well known so,30+pounds more gym beef on his frameand yeah,mabey.An umknown would be best though imo.
So....
When are we getting the casting announcement?
Hope the lawmaster is done properly this time too.Fat wheels like the Batpop* no a bloody scooter.
*Get the guys who made it to do the Lawmaster?
I would love the guy who did the Batpod have a go.
I'm still amazed how much of that is live-action after seeing the behind-the-scenes video.
I think it would be easier to do than thr pod,due to the main body is more like a normal bike,all you really need are the tyres and fairings.
(http://www.kellyskindergarten.com/Games/GamestoMake/images/krabs.gif)
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Quote from: vzzbux on 14 May, 2010, 08:58:49 PM
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Is that a suggestion for Clancy Brown ?
He would be one of my choices as well.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 May, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
If Pearlman gets cast as Dredd i would just see Ron Pearlman in a judges helmet.Jane is not as well known so,30+pounds more gym beef on his frameand yeah,mabey.An umknown would be best though imo.
Thomas Jane doesn't need to beef up anymore than what he was in the Punisher.
Thomas Jane gets my vote.
Quote from: Garageman on 14 May, 2010, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 May, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
If Pearlman gets cast as Dredd i would just see Ron Pearlman in a judges helmet.Jane is not as well known so,30+pounds more gym beef on his frameand yeah,mabey.An umknown would be best though imo.
Thomas Jane doesn't need to beef up anymore than what he was in the Punisher.
Forgot he was in that...i'm thinking back to his Deep Blue sea days.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 14 May, 2010, 09:57:59 PM
Is that a suggestion for Clancy Brown ?
He would be one of my choices as well.
Oh yes with Ron Pearlman as second string.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 14 May, 2010, 11:02:25 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 14 May, 2010, 09:57:59 PM
Is that a suggestion for Clancy Brown ?
He would be one of my choices as well.
Oh yes with Ron Pearlman as second string.
The Kurgan as Dredd? It is like all the films and comics I watched and read as a lad are colliding.
You know what's great? Judge Dredd will beat Darren Aronofsky's RoboCop in getting made!! :D
Quote from: weehawk on 15 May, 2010, 01:03:33 AM
You know what's great? Judge Dredd will beat Darren Aronofsky's RoboCop in getting made!! :D
Well thats good news. The "imposter/ripoff/third best/pretender/charlatan" coming second to the main man on the silver screen is kudos enough for me.
I have high hopes on this movie now its not in a studio and not governed by the big buck welding hammer of the executive.
The men and I will call them that are men of honour (know live and breathe Dredd) who are dictating the ambience of this movie and this will shine through tenfold and will undoubtedly put Dredd on a mantel. (Please please let this be the case!).
Quote from: davethomson on 14 May, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
I stand by my belief that there is only one man who has the chin to play Dredd. David Coulthard.
Get Ron Perlman to dub his voice and we have a winning Dredd
If you're going to dub the voice, go for Toby L!
Quote from: Dash Decent on 15 May, 2010, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: davethomson on 14 May, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
I stand by my belief that there is only one man who has the chin to play Dredd. David Coulthard.
Get Ron Perlman to dub his voice and we have a winning Dredd
If you're going to dub the voice, go for Toby L!
Absolutly. Whenever I read the Dredd strips its Toby Longworth's voice I hear.
Movie Dredd would work better 50 years into the future (see: Origins) than a 120 years-hence city with spaceports and shit.
Make the Judges a new, underfunded department. Have Rico as a slowly-corrupting support character. Work to the budget. Keep it procedural and street level.
Do not, in any way, set stuff up for the sequel with a nod and a wink. And no Death, Death's a superhero/mystical type of character with nothing interesting to add to the core themes of Dredd.
Quote from: Garageman on 14 May, 2010, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 May, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
If Pearlman gets cast as Dredd i would just see Ron Pearlman in a judges helmet.Jane is not as well known so,30+pounds more gym beef on his frameand yeah,mabey.An umknown would be best though imo.
Thomas Jane doesn't need to beef up anymore than what he was in the Punisher.
It appears Jane has regained that "Punisher" build, as seen in this latest issue of Men's Fitness:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/shazam-kree/Thomas-Jane-Is-Ripped-for-Men-s-Fit.jpg)
A possible Rebellion and co. 3D epic? The crime is life, the punishment .... Death!!!
Quote from: weehawk on 15 May, 2010, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 14 May, 2010, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 May, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
If Pearlman gets cast as Dredd i would just see Ron Pearlman in a judges helmet.Jane is not as well known so,30+pounds more gym beef on his frameand yeah,mabey.An umknown would be best though imo.
Thomas Jane doesn't need to beef up anymore than what he was in the Punisher.
It appears Jane has regained that "Punisher" build, as seen in this latest issue of Men's Fitness:
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/shazam-kree/Thomas-Jane-Is-Ripped-for-Men-s-Fit.jpg)
I dug Punisher out late last night to have a butchers,and yeah hes more pumped than i remember him,he was leaner in Deep Blue Sea.He can do it,voice needs gruffing up a bit though.
Jane for Dredd, Peter Crouch for Judge Death!!!! thanks Rebellion.
With Dredd being made in Jo'burg, he may be going home, there's even a South African security company with his namesake:
(http://www.junkmail.co.za/images/201007/images_paper/free201007__20100215_100249_1675102_.jpg)
http://www.dreddsolutions.co.za/ (http://www.dreddsolutions.co.za/)
I can hear Jamaican musician Prince Buster's 1967 song "Judge Dread" playing while Dredd strides around downtown Jo'burg...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKgh_tpDoTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKgh_tpDoTc)
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Quote from: Emperor on 13 May, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
How outrageous a casting decision would it be to have a very old Dredd as a framing device and have him played by Clint Eastwood?
It would be absurd and totally shit, given that Eastwood is 80.
But luckily, nobody thinks it will happen, because it won't
Quote from: Garageman on 14 May, 2010, 09:11:55 AMPerlman's too weird looking, that's why he's usually caked in make-up.
Anbody with a chin that protrudes as far as Dredd's (as depicted by certain artists, anyway) would look a bit weird without the helmet on, to be honest... and Perlman is the only actor on the block whose chin
really is that big.
Hugh Jackman would be good a good choice.
David
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 13 May, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
Tom Jane as Dredd?
He just wants his drokking kids back!
anyone who gets that reference gets mailed a biscuit
But seriously, what's this from?
Quote from: SAJse on 17 May, 2010, 01:05:05 AM
But seriously, what's this from?
THE GREATEST SERIES YOU'LL EVER SEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDSqcCPRsW0)
Any news from Jock on how his meeting went last Friday?
It has a lot to live up to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYO4ZoLlYiE&playnext_from=TL&videos=3omA9_YSlAo&feature=grec
Quote from: brendan1 on 16 May, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 13 May, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
How outrageous a casting decision would it be to have a very old Dredd as a framing device and have him played by Clint Eastwood?
It would be absurd and totally shit, given that Eastwood is 80.
But luckily, nobody thinks it will happen, because it won't
Cheers, not even a very old Dredd? How about as Fargo?
Quote from: Emperor on 18 May, 2010, 11:57:20 PM
It would be absurd and totally shit, given that Eastwood is 80.
But luckily, nobody thinks it will happen, because it won't
Cheers, not even a very old Dredd? How about as Fargo?
They are clones so it would make as much sense as the first Dredd film having two different actors playing clones.
[spoiler]He has a cameo as the guy who buggers Hollister to death with a razorwire vibrator.[/spoiler]
Sssh.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 18 May, 2010, 11:50:51 PM
It has a lot to live up to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYO4ZoLlYiE&playnext_from=TL&videos=3omA9_YSlAo&feature=grec
Cheers for the link, Rog. Painful, but I can't say I disagree with them.
So Tharg,when can we expect the next big juciy titbit of info,Director or Dredd lead for eg? 1 month,2? How about some spoiler free hints on the direction the tone of the film will take? A hard,dark 18 or a multiplex friendly toned down pg?
Who's going to handle the FX? Weta,they did most of D9 on the cheep.Will Dredds uniform lok like the comics and the Minty film or are we going to get another abomination like last time? You need to get some info out to us fans coz im(and im sure a few others) going nuts.. :D
Keep the helmet on pls.
QuoteDirector
They've already announced the director.
I can't see Judge Death being in this movie, that would be too fast for those new to Judge Dredd, people have to like Dredd first and then bring in somebody who is his exact opposite in so many ways.
It worked for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Quote from: radiator on 20 May, 2010, 04:02:39 PM
QuoteDirector
They've already announced the director.
Missed that one,or forgot? long day....
The following link gives a little insight into Pete Travis Film Making techniques and what he enjoys about film. Worth a listen :)
http://www.filmdetail.com/archives/2008/03/07/interview-pete-travis-and-matthew-fox-on-vantage-point/ (http://www.filmdetail.com/archives/2008/03/07/interview-pete-travis-and-matthew-fox-on-vantage-point/)
Quote from: Garageman on 19 May, 2010, 12:18:38 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 18 May, 2010, 11:57:20 PM
Cheers, not even a very old Dredd? How about as Fargo?
They are clones so it would make as much sense as the first Dredd film having two different actors playing clones.
You do realise that clones very rarely look identical?
Well, they'd be genetically identical, which isn't the same as being exact copies of each other, but it's more like so called identical twins, right? Or am I somehow forgetting something? Been a while since I read stuff about genetics.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 May, 2010, 06:50:00 PM
You do realise that clones very rarely look identical?
I beg to differ.
(http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2000AD-Prog-1664-Judge-Dredd-and-Rico-Carlos-Ezquerra.jpg)
(http://www.awn.com/files/imagepicker/1/clonetv02_CloneWarsTV-Ambu.jpg)
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Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 20 May, 2010, 05:53:31 PM
The following link gives a little insight into Pete Travis Film Making techniques and what he enjoys about film. Worth a listen :)
http://www.filmdetail.com/archives/2008/03/07/interview-pete-travis-and-matthew-fox-on-vantage-point/ (http://www.filmdetail.com/archives/2008/03/07/interview-pete-travis-and-matthew-fox-on-vantage-point/)
Cheers for that. Grabbed it from the link to the MP3. Good listen. The heartening thing about Travis is he makes films for grown-ups, and he makes them very well. I'm sure he'd like to make more of a name for himself, and knows this is a dicey and tainted property to do that with, so he may be out to prove something. This is good news all round.
QuoteHuman cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of an existing or previously existing human. The term is generally used to refer to artificial human cloning; human clones in the form of identical twins are commonplace, with their cloning occurring during the natural process of reproduction. There are two commonly discussed types of human cloning: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning. Therapeutic cloning involves cloning adult cells for use in medicine and is an active area of research. Reproductive cloning would involve making cloned humans. A third type of cloning called replacement cloning is a theoretical possibility, and would be a combination of therapeutic and reproductive cloning. Replacement cloning would entail the replacement of an extensively damaged, failed, or failing body through cloning followed by whole or partial brain transplant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning#Human_cloning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning#Human_cloning)
Thanks for the reminder, thought that was the case, but the case was stated with such seriousness I thought "is there something I'm forgetting?" but no. Cheers Gumpty
No problemo I had to look it up to find out myself :D
Are we talking of sci-fi or sci-fact for the Dredd Movie. On the subject of cloning, who knows where the future will go?
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The fact influences the rest. No point using the word if that's not what's actually meant. Why would you CLONE something if you DIDN'T want a perfect replica?
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 20 May, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
The fact influences the rest. No point using the word if that's not what's actually meant. Why would you CLONE something if you DIDN'T want a perfect replica?
You cant clone a perfect replica as you will find differences between them no matter how small.
It cannot be done.
Also identical twins are never actually identical and the same as above applies.Cloning is a generalised term and i am not sure what term you should use instead of it.They can be very very similar to each other as identical twins used to live next door and it took ages to tell one from the other.Even their personalities were very different .
Perfect on a genetic level. There are differences from the life experience and the clone will always be a younger version of the original host. On top of that there's iris and fingerprints, but those are essentially "experiences" issues as they form due to currents in amniotic fluid in the womb.
But to all intents and purposes? Yeah, my clone would look like me at that age. Just like so-called identical twins (a phrase I used earlier) look pretty much the same, as they get older experiences draw differences upon them - scars, habits etc.
That's why it's called cloning and not "having a child".
If you delve into the star wars universe no too clone troopers have the same personality. Also cloning techniques are very complicated even at such a supposed highly advanced technical galaxy.
I know Star Wars is not real but its my sad obsession. But it did happen along time ago in a galaxy far far away so who knows.
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I don't think anybody outside of Star Wars or Judge Dredd actually expects a clone to demonstrate even a similar personality to it's host, are we?
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 20 May, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
Perfect on a genetic level. There are differences from the life experience and the clone will always be a younger version of the original host. On top of that there's iris and fingerprints, but those are essentially "experiences" issues as they form due to currents in amniotic fluid in the womb.
But to all intents and purposes? Yeah, my clone would look like me at that age. Just like so-called identical twins (a phrase I used earlier) look pretty much the same, as they get older experiences draw differences upon them - scars, habits etc.
That's why it's called cloning and not "having a child".
I would have thought that fingerprints an iris colours are determined genetically rather than being formed by what you are calling "experience" but i dont really know anything about it.
Its the element of chaos in nature that means no two living things are absolutely identical and i am not sure if there is any way around that.It must be part of or the thing that enables evolution to be possible.
Which is why we had Rico turning to the "Dark Side of Force" :)
We don't need exterior explanations of "cloning" for the simple fact that clone judges are created identical and the concept has been set up that way in the Dreddverse.
And they're identical (as much as any two organisms will be) in the real world too (although younger than the host.
And it's not the colours that are different, it's the actual pattern of the iris. For the same reasons that twins don't have identical fingerprints.
Michael Murphey (South Africa Co-Producer) speaks (very briefly and with nothing of any interest)
"My company is co-producing with Henry McDonalds, the producer from the UK who has made movies like 28 Days Later and The Beach." (http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=40096)
Who's Henry McDonalds? Does he mean Andy MacDonald (Producer), or did the reporter mess up?
Humour site Hayibo (http://www.hayibo.com/2010/05/20/judge-dredd-film-to-be-shot-in-jo%E2%80%99burg-for-extra-realistic-crime-violence/) on Dredd and how Johannesburg is ideal for him.
None of the information in the article is factual.
The film's chief consultant, and Judge Dredd creator, John Wagner, stated that when he heard about the crime coming out of Jo'burg – "sexual violence, cold-blooded murder, hijackings" – he also pushed to have the film produced there.
"If only I had those images when I was creating Dredd back in '77", commented Wagner "I could have made Dredd much darker".
He said the vision now was to dump the actors into the city, have them fire their laser guns at a street gang, and make them react to whatever comes their way. It'll be very much a method actor's dream."
Once again, this is a humour site, and not a news source!
its happening.
thats all that matters!!!!
Wowee :lol:
And the (working?) title is.....
Judge Dredd 3D
IMGlobal have published a little blurb.
"Judge Dredd 3D is set in a high-octane, dystopian future where state-endorsed enforcers act as judge, jury and executioner as they dispense justice. This journey through the dark underbelly of a vast futuristic city is based on the cult favorite 2000AD comic book character.
Directed by: Pete Travis
Written by: Alex Garland
Produced by: Andrew Macdonald, Alex Garland, Allon Reich, Jason Kingsley and Chris Kingsley. "
Starting to look all offical now. Bloody hope they get it right,tone ,look and all.
With all the aforementioned familiar with Dredd and with John Wagner as consultant the right ingredients are there Now all remains is the acting and story to come up trumps.
Yeah,cross Black Hawk Down with Bladerunner please.And try to kep the uniform as faithfull as possible,green boots n gloves and pads this time and a leather bike suit rather than lycra...And bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
QuoteAnd bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
Get real - the old lawgiver always looked a little silly, but it kinda worked in the context of the comic - as a real prop it would just look laughable.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 May, 2010, 12:22:26 PM
Yeah,cross Black Hawk Down with Bladerunner please.And try to kep the uniform as faithfull as possible,green boots n gloves and pads this time and a leather bike suit rather than lycra...And bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
How can you stay faithful to the uniform if you change it to a leather bike suit ?
Anyboy here met the Kingsley brothers. I wonder if they ever lurk here.
How about Garret Dillahunt(Sarah Connor Chronicles, Last House On The Left) as Dredd?
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/shazam-kree/garret.jpg)
....also, I think a Judge Dredd film should be a cross between the environment of "Blade Runner", the visual power of "300", and the humor and violence of both "Inglorious Basterds" and "Kick-Ass".
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 May, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 May, 2010, 12:22:26 PM
Yeah,cross Black Hawk Down with Bladerunner please.And try to kep the uniform as faithfull as possible,green boots n gloves and pads this time and a leather bike suit rather than lycra...And bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
How can you stay faithful to the uniform if you change it to a leather bike suit ?
Synthyleather or whatever it was called(going back 20 years)point is no lycra.Hes a biker not a superhero.
Quote from: radiator on 22 May, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
QuoteAnd bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
Get real - the old lawgiver always looked a little silly, but it kinda worked in the context of the comic - as a real prop it would just look laughable.
Hated the new style ones from the off,much prefer a version based on the old one,like a big magnum.
For me the absolute don't-fuck-about-with too much are
the helmet
the badge
the eagle
the shoulder pad
I think if you keep reasonably close to the original concept, you can mess around with the rest of the uniform a lot more.
Something tough and leatherish would work on the suit, but it could have body panels, sewn in armour etc.
The key is 'if you're going to change it, make it an improvement' which is where I thought the 95 movie fell down.
The green can be knocked right back to near grey without it harming the look IMHO.
Do we need to visually quote Blade Runner every time anyone makes a film set in a future city? Dredd was out nearly 6 years before Blade Runner hit our screens and Mega City had it's stylings filtered through several of the most talented artists in comics by that stage. Blade Runner paid homage to Dredd and a little Moebius, not the other way round.
Just an easy example of a dark future city thats all,can't be arse typing all that out.
///and was was refering to the tone of BR as well as the look.Serious,dark and suspensfull with detective elements mixed with the kenitic energy of an urban war film like BHD.Thats what i would like to see.
Quote from: radiator on 22 May, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
QuoteAnd bring back the old lawgiver,much cooler than the bulky new style.
Get real - the old lawgiver always looked a little silly, but it kinda worked in the context of the comic - as a real prop it would just look laughable.
Current model of the Lawgiver wees all over the so-called "classic" version.
Thank you Tharg for seeing sense and retiring it, while keeping the new version at least somewhat reminiscent of the old one. Hope the new LG makes it to the screen rather than the rather anonymous design that made it last time (with stupid "double-whammy" rounds).
The less humour in the film the better.
Mega city is a grim metropolis full of down trodden inhabitants policed by a fascist regime. The film should reflect this. Full on grit and misery.
Rob (Wank Stain) Schitheadner tried the comic in the original abortion and look what happened to that. Judge Drag indeed.
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Quote from: vzzbux on 22 May, 2010, 10:47:38 PM
The less humour in the film the better.
Mega city is a grim metropolis full of down trodden inhabitants policed by a fascist regime. The film should reflect this. Full on grit and misery.
Better mention that to John Wagner then, I don't think he knows, he's been writing Dredd full of black humour for decades, Mayor Ambrose anyone, Otto Sump?
There's nothing wrong with a bit of humour in a serious film, it makes it that bit more real, an aspect that's lost on many film-makers.
Dredd has a taciturn/dry wit like dirty Harry, it's what makes him a classic character and HUMAN, take that away and it's less appealing. The city also reflects this character trait, it's a coping mechanism.
Black humour (which is very acceptable) is a little different to that shit Mr Schitner pulled.
EDIT and no double whammy.
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What Garageman said.
Indubitably
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 May, 2010, 10:59:37 PM
Black humour (which is very acceptable) is a little different to that shit Mr Schitner pulled.
If you didn't laugh, it wasn't humour. Humour, though black, is still humour and there's nout wrong with it.
Quote from: Garageman on 23 May, 2010, 12:03:07 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 May, 2010, 10:59:37 PM
Black humour (which is very acceptable) is a little different to that shit Mr Schitner pulled.
If you didn't laugh, it wasn't humour. Humour, though black, is still humour and there's nout wrong with it.
Isn't that what I just wrote??
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Quote from: vzzbux on 23 May, 2010, 12:11:43 AM
Isn't that what I just wrote??V
Not really in the context of your original post:
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 May, 2010, 10:47:38 PM
The less humour in the film the better.
Mega city is a grim metropolis full of down trodden inhabitants policed by a fascist regime. The film should reflect this. Full on grit and misery.
Rob (Wank Stain) Schitheadner tried the comic in the original abortion and look what happened to that. Judge Drag indeed.
As for the casting of Judge Dredd, my top choices are still.....
Ron Perlman,
Clancy Brown,
My latest choice is Josh Brolin if they'rre aiming for a younger Dredd
FFS garageman stop fucking nitpicking.
Arguing for arguments sake. Get a life.
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Let's pour oil on troubled waters, eh?
Or find somewhere more interesting to pour it. Seabirds anyone?
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 23 May, 2010, 12:59:13 AM
As for the casting of Judge Dredd, my top choices are still.....
Ron Perlman,
Clancy Brown,
My latest choice is Josh Brolin if they'rre aiming for a younger Dredd
clancy brown for me
i quite liked the lawgiver from the game dredd vs death but deffo the new version over the old
I don't care who they chooose for Hershey as long as they get the hair right this time around.
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 23 May, 2010, 03:45:41 PM
I don't care who they chooose for Hershey as long as they get the hair right this time around.
Hershey may not even be in the film.She must be a totally unimportant character for you if you dont care who plays her yet you are worried about her hairstyle.
Cant see Hershy gettin a look in here.
Still think the studio will want to distance itself from the Stallone Dredd as much as possible, so I'm guessing just about everything that featured in that movie will be excluded from this.... no Hershy, no Fergie, no cursed earth, no clone storyline, no rico, no day the law died storyline etc....
Clean slate, fresh start and all that.
It just has to be a good crime story, with an emphasis on just how mental a place Mega City One is. Sorta with the tone of SE7EN crossed with Human Centipede, that kinda thing.
Doesn't have to be Judge Dredd saves the world.
About the no cursed earth thing, I'm wondering, with the budget and the location, they're going to be using the slums of Johannesburg as a shanty town/undercity equivalent.
I get the feeling it's going to be more of an early mega-city along the lines shown in 2070 pre-atomic war rather than what the Meg became.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 23 May, 2010, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 23 May, 2010, 03:45:41 PM
I don't care who they chooose for Hershey as long as they get the hair right this time around.
Hershey may not even be in the film.She must be a totally unimportant character for you if you dont care who plays her yet you are worried about her hairstyle.
Of course, I care about her correct casting choice beyond her signature hairstyle.I just thought that was too obvious to say anything about. They could even recast
Diane Lane again, but only if she wears the wig.
Quote from: Steve Green on 23 May, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
I get the feeling it's going to be more of an early mega-city along the lines shown in 2070 pre-atomic war rather than what the Meg became.
Maybe that's not a bad idea - a sort of young Dredd origin story. That would certainly distance itself from the Stallone film.
don't if this is been said before.i would like clint eastwood playing dredd as the last clone of him on his death bed.looking back.just a thought
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 23 May, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Of course, I care about her correct casting choice beyond her signature hairstyle.I just thought that was too obvious to say anything about. They could even recast Diane Lane again, but only if she wears the wig.
Phwoar Yes please!
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 23 May, 2010, 04:55:13 PM
don't if this is been said before.i would like clint eastwood playing dredd as the last clone of him on his death bed.looking back.just a thought
so then logically you would need a young Clint Eastwood playing him in the flashback, doesn't make sense really. A death-bed flashback wouldn't suit Dredd either, it's not about nostalgia.
Quote from: Martin Jameson on 23 May, 2010, 04:46:35 PM
Maybe that's not a bad idea - a sort of young Dredd origin story. That would certainly distance itself from the Stallone film.
Can it not just be Dredd, mid-thirties, breaking heads in 2099 like in prog two?
If they have Dredd as a ten-year-old boy, or a ninety-year-old man on his deathbed, I will be very displeased.
Quote from: Garageman on 23 May, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Can it not just be Dredd, mid-thirties, breaking heads in 2099 like in prog two?
That's much more like it, though I would also be happy with an older Dredd, provided his age doesn't play a significant part in the plot.
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 17 May, 2010, 01:55:45 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 17 May, 2010, 01:05:05 AM
But seriously, what's this from?
THE GREATEST SERIES YOU'LL EVER SEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDSqcCPRsW0)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I've not seen that before so I'm not sure where I heard the quote recently. :|
Quote from: Steve Green on 23 May, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
About the no cursed earth thing, I'm wondering, with the budget and the location, they're going to be using the slums of Johannesburg as a shanty town/undercity equivalent.
I get the feeling it's going to be more of an early mega-city along the lines shown in 2070 pre-atomic war rather than what the Meg became.
Did I read this wrong or has something been mentioned about the Cursed Earth being cut?
Quote from: Garageman on 23 May, 2010, 07:34:10 PM
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 23 May, 2010, 04:55:13 PM
don't if this is been said before.i would like clint eastwood playing dredd as the last clone of him on his death bed.looking back.just a thought
so then logically you would need a young Clint Eastwood playing him in the flashback, doesn't make sense really. A death-bed flashback wouldn't suit Dredd either, it's not about nostalgia.
Like Space Cowboys? Toby Stephens played a passable Clint. Though I'm not really a fan of the whole deathbed concept.
Nothing from the makers, just something someone brought up and avoiding elements of the Stallone film.
Quote from: SAJse on 24 May, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Did I read this wrong or has something been mentioned about the Cursed Earth being cut?
Other than a reference, does it really need to be in the film?
I don't think it would hurt showing why they've all crammed together, and reinforcing why the judges are there.
Of course, they did this in the opening titles in the Stallone film, but I think if you're going to show it, there should be some more of the ruined America, maybe have the shanty towns clustered around the West Wall.
I think something like a favela sprawling around the base could look interesting.
still hoping for a "bust "on an illegal vid shoot featuring the suits of the stallone film to tie the fact that that version WASN'T real, canon (danny or otherwise) and just in fact an illegal use of a judge's image ...wonder if sly would cameo as the actor prostesting his innocence to which dredd would obviously reply "i knew you'd say that" ;)
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 May, 2010, 08:23:17 PM
I don't think it would hurt showing why they've all crammed together, and reinforcing why the judges are there.
Of course, they did this in the opening titles in the Stallone film, but I think if you're going to show it, there should be some more of the ruined America, maybe have the shanty towns clustered around the West Wall.
I think something like a favela sprawling around the base could look interesting.
That's it, a reference, visual or otherwise, but it doesn't need to be a part of the plot like in the first effort.
Quote from: Garageman on 24 May, 2010, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: SAJse on 24 May, 2010, 06:39:51 PM
Did I read this wrong or has something been mentioned about the Cursed Earth being cut?
Other than a reference, does it really need to be in the film?
Not really. I was just wondering if they dropped it for something new and eXtreme.
Because acid storms, blazing rivers and poisonous rats on rocks are for pussies...
We bring you 'The *REALLY* Cursed Earth' :)
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 23 May, 2010, 04:15:14 PM
Cant see Hershy gettin a look in here.
I won't be surprised if they have Hershey as Cheif Judge... just not as a street judge.
Quote from: Steve Green on 25 May, 2010, 07:59:25 AM
Because acid storms, blazing rivers and poisonous rats on rocks are for pussies...
We bring you 'The *REALLY* Cursed Earth' :)
Haha, don't rule anything out after last time.
For the plot I reckon it should be based on Total War, to establish the whole fascism angle with the irony of the democrats being the terrorists which would also be a lovely relevant social commentary.
Pepper in elements of Origins for background of Justice Dept and Mega City One and to explain why the judges are such bastards and how Dredd came to be and I think you've got a perfect starter point for follow on films, bringing in the more 'out there' villains and storylines.
what about a judge death story line and the 4 dark judges? could be done with all the special effects nowadays
I'd go with Total War over the Dark Judges. I think it's too much to introduce for a first film, and I think the democracy storyline would be grittier and more suited to a reboot.
More PSU than PSI. Something along the lines of Terror/Total War would do me fine.
I'm interested to see what other characters they can use, without having the baggage of a backstory - Vienna for example.
I'd like to see more of the other Judges than just Dredd, and his interaction with those, e.g. Roffman, Giant, DeMarco etc.
I would like the first(hopes more) film starts on a basic plot,something old school that introduces the universe,mabey Supersurf 7 or Fink,whatever as long as its a sort of shortish stand alone story....BUT i would like that to thread into blockwar(subplot?),with the whole Orlok the Assassin angle that would set up prt 2 which could be a full on Apcolypse War movie.Dreaming,who cares thats what I want.Judge Death,cool as his is could come along as dumb on the big screen.Keep it as ground into reality as possible.
I think we should stay away from the Judge Death arc for the first film. We don't want a full on horror fest for the first outing, lets establish a Sci-Fi flick first.
Undecided on what storyline to go for, maybe Judge Cal or the robot wars.
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How about a more down to earth Dredd story. Nothing epic. Dredd hunts an alien serial killer. That's it. And leave the epic for the 2nd and 3rd movies.
QuoteHow about a more down to earth Dredd story. Nothing epic. Dredd hunts an alien serial killer. That's it. And leave the epic for the 2nd and 3rd movies.
Agreed - Dredd has to be established as a cop, not a soldier. As much as I like the idea of Total War being the villains in the movie, perhaps he should be up against criminals rather than terrorists.
I'd go for something akin to the "graveyard shift" as the theme (showcasing lots of different Meg craziness), with something cool like "the Hunters CLub" as a main subplot within that structure. Maybe something slightly more sci-fi, but the Hunters Club is a damned fine "filmic" concept - maybe add another case that Dredd can actually solve at the end! Maybe Maybe! After all, hes prove to be a ratehr important character in the long run...
Quote from: radiator on 01 June, 2010, 06:57:06 PM
Agreed - Dredd has to be established as a cop, not a soldier. As much as I like the idea of Total War being the villains in the movie, perhaps he should be up against criminals rather than terrorists.
He ain't a cop either, he's a Judge, one of many who practice "Instant Justice", punishment without trial or due process, the most important aspect that needs to be hammered home from the beginning. Total War would be ideal to feature. Ordinary perps will feature anyway but the politcs of "Instant Justice" and those against it are the vital notion to get across even if only in the background.
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 01 June, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
I'd go for something akin to the "graveyard shift" as the theme (showcasing lots of different Meg craziness), with something cool like "the Hunters CLub" as a main subplot within that structure. Maybe something slightly more sci-fi, but the Hunters Club is a damned fine "filmic" concept - maybe add another case that Dredd can actually solve at the end! Maybe Maybe! After all, hes prove to be a ratehr important character in the long run...
This one seems ideal
Pretty excited about this, especially after seeing the budget. Granted it's not Michael Bay money, but DNA have proven to be a studio who can make small budgets go a very long way, and it's far from a small budget. I'm guessing in Johannesburg that'll stretch even further, so I'm guessing this is gonna look pretty damn sweet.
Haven't read the whole thread (was a bit late to it) but I'm all for holding off on Death for the first movie, might be a little too out there. As an introduction to Dredd and his world viewers will have enough on their plate without throwing anything too wild at them. That said, if Death is to appear in the sequel then they'll have to sow the seeds, have dimension jump tech and aliens featured in some way in the first movie, so that they're setting up a world where a storyline like the Death one can exist without seeming mental.
3D ...bah. Everything else seems very agreeable though. Dredd is great source material for any film. The choice in villains alone is incredible. All those choices have already been made of course, with the script written. We can only await and salivate.
Fair dues to all involved.
A routine 59c as a pre-credits intro could really help set the scene and flesh out the world Dredd is set in.
I'd rather they kept J. Death & co. away from the live action films but have them in spin-off anime instead.
According to the Virgin Website their definatley remaking RoboCop. Perhaps they'll be TWO futuristic Lawmen slugging it out at the Box Office.
A cross between America and Total War would be perfect IMO.
I think they should be fighting an invasion of miniature 9/11s.
Garth Ennis's Monkey on my Back would be great, they could mix it up with the day the law died or leave that and Cal's trumna that drove him nuts for a sequel.
will any of the dark judges or walter the wobot be in it
Quote from: judge cooper on 16 June, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
will any of the dark judges or walter the wobot be in it
Hopefully not the Dark Judges till the Second or Third movie.
As for Walter...they can stick him in the background...maybe for sale in a robot shop window.
I think it will be a pretty straight tough cop action movie with Dredd taking on crim scum/ Democratic terrorists or terrorists who turn out to be the first batch of cloned Judges who became corrupt and are now Mega Cities super criminals.
These original Judges conspired to destroy the democratic system assassinating the United States last President and unleashed the Nuclear war when they're more honest colleagues [ including young Joe and Rico Dredd ]tried to take them down.
Now, mutated by the rad lands radiation into hideous forms they want revenge and...
Yeah, well it seemed to be going somewhere! ::)
I think it will be Dredd a shooting people with his gun. And there will be giant alien robots in it that transform-yes wow! Into cars and helltrekkers and some of these giant robots shall be wise and good and some are Republicans.But it don't matter dick cos Dreddy a blasts them all.
And their little dog too.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 16 June, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
These original Judges conspired to destroy the democratic system assassinating the United States last President and unleashed the Nuclear war when they're more honest colleagues [ including young Joe and Rico Dredd ]tried to take them down.
Now, mutated by the rad lands radiation into hideous forms they want revenge and...
Noooo...that's not Canon.
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 16 June, 2010, 09:47:35 PM
I think it will be Dredd a shooting people with his gun. And there will be giant alien robots in it that transform-yes wow! Into cars and helltrekkers and some of these giant robots shall be wise and good and some are Republicans.But it don't matter dick cos Dreddy a blasts them all.
And their little dog too.
I see what you did there. ;)
I'd love to see a representation of the Atomic War at some point :)
was judge cal in the one with sylvestor stallone with rico
why did they add in an ABC warrioir in
Quote from: judge cooper on 22 June, 2010, 01:51:00 PM
why did they add in an ABC warrioir in
Because the script called for a war droid and Kev Walker was one of the production artists, so Danny Cannon told him to "Draw Hammerstein."
Cheers
Jim
That ABC warrior was badass as hell in that movie. I want one. :thumbsup:
Oh my, as for this new Judge Dredd film actually happening and getting a start date: yeah baby!!
This movie should be a lot of badass fun for all.
Also, just to throw this out there, I'd enjoy having Judge Anderson in the movie.
I can see why they wouldn't do it, they've got enough on their plate to characterize in a first movie. But hey, in a smaller role with her psychic abilities downplayed a bit, it could work well.
I think it should be a two-and-a-half hour version of Awakening of Angels. That or the mutant teddy bear one that Garth Ennis did.
i would laugh if they stuck call-me-kenneth or tweak in it
I think PSI should be left out of this one, or just a little role at most. Too much too soon could lose a lot of the under initiated.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 24 June, 2010, 07:44:33 PM
I think PSI should be left out of this one, or just a little role at most. Too much too soon could lose a lot of the under initiated.
I agree with you there. No PSI and no Dark Judges.
Fatties, Boingers(r), Uglies, Skysurfers, muties, Power-Tower disasters, cracking perp / Democrat skulls and general hard-arsedness are what i personally require. Give me them.
i think the perp in it should be fink angel or at least some one out of the cursed earth in it
Judgement Day will probably appear in Case Files 17, out early next year.
Oops, wrong thread! :-[
I just hope and pray that they've managed to sign Stallone up to play Dredd again, the movie just wouldn't be the same without him.
BTW, difficult to type sarcasm.
This is great news, can't wait.
they should cast simon cowwel :lol:
they should ressurect mean machine for the bad guy
Quote from: judge cooper on 28 June, 2010, 11:17:27 AM
they should ressurect mean machine for the bad guy
There will be no resurrection as the first film didn't happen so in movieverse he isn't dead.
V
Much as I'd like to see someone like Call Me Kenneth etc, I think there's enough scope to have an original 'villain'. Otherwise, we've seen it before and know what happens don't we? As for Psi's, I agree with Vzzbxx that if they're in it, it should be as a minor role.
I do think having the Dem movement would work; America could be a later installment!
M.
how many referances to the comics are there in number 1
Quote from: Mikey on 29 June, 2010, 09:39:01 AMI agree with Vzzbxx that if they're in it, it should be as a minor role.
Naturally, would be fun to have in a smaller role.
Quote from: judge cooper on 29 June, 2010, 11:13:52 AM
how many referances to the comics are there in number 1
A lot, though not the same definitely references, by using character names at least. The general story seems to draw from The Day The Law Died somewhat, and it also has Rico, also uses names such as Griffin although he's nothing like the original Griffin. The Angel Gang are in the movie, of course Judge Dredd, Judge Hershey... the lawmaster (flying), lawgiver...
Also just gotta come clean and say it, nobody really wants Call Me Kenneth in the movie right? :D
I mean, I get they could do various things with it, but worker robots revolting against humanity... well, yeah, that's just not the most interesting or original plot to use for the movie in my opinion.
Walter the Wobot is more badass than Kenneth.
Now, Max Normal the pinstripe freak, there's a guy I'd like to see get a cameo role.
I only have one suggestion, they should make it good this time!
Oh and there should be an awesome shoot out between the SJS and a corrupt judge.
Speaking of shoot out,i hope they show the Judges to be similar to army/swat forces in the way that they move rather than just standing there looking cool with a gun.
I agree
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 29 June, 2010, 09:43:02 PM
Speaking of shoot out,i hope they show the Judges to be similar to army/swat forces in the way that they move rather than just standing there looking cool with a gun.
It is something that I have been reluctant to say:
I hope that they completely redesign Dredd's uniform.
In my mind I have always seen a 'real' judge's uniform as being a lot sleeker than the comic version. It would have a lot more armour and larger equipment pouches on the belt. The Lawgiver would go and be replaced with more conventional weaponry or, at least, a weapon big enough to accommodate the various ammo Dredd and the other judges use.
The helmet would conform to the head a lot more. The helmets used by the original Judges in Origins being a a better design.
I have nothing against the uniform as it appears in the comic, I just feel that it would not translate well to the big screen.
I thought they did a decent job with the costumes and props in the Stallone movie, codpiece not withstanding.
I mean hey, everybody has their preferences, me I think some of the over-the-top stuff gives Judge Dredd character. The Lawgiver is a must in my book.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 29 June, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
I thought they did a decent job with the costumes and props in the Stallone movie, codpiece not withstanding.
I mean hey, everybody has their preferences, me I think some of the over-the-top stuff gives Judge Dredd character. The Lawgiver is a must in my book.
The costume in the movie looked okay, but just imagine a judge persuing a perp with all that oversized armour.
in this one will they have the normal judge armoour
Judges don't need to do too much on foot persuing as heat seekers, PSU and Law Master aides them enough.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 June, 2010, 11:03:48 PM
Judges don't need to do too much on foot persuing as heat seekers, PSU and Law Master aides them enough.
V
In the comic this works well, but would you watch a hour and a half film of a guy riding round on his bike doing nothing but shooting people?
Problem with redesignng the admittedly impractical costume is that lacking either a face or superpowers Dredd is the uniform. Drift too far from the current version and you may as well just call the movie Robocop and have done with it. The OTT visuals of the uniform are part of the concept - Judges need to be seen, to stand out even amongst the other 400 million kooks, to be interchangeable amongst themselves: a cool armoured stealth suit it ain't.
I'm very much in the Tordel camp on this one. Dredd needs to look like Dredd or it wont feel right at all. It seems to work and look good with the Judge Minty costumes so there is no reason why it can't work on the big screen. It's not just about themes it's about the iconography of Dredd.
Having had some experience with a real costume, I can see both sides of the argument.
But I would side with Tordel on this one.
I think there are certain elements of the uniform that are untouchable, the helmet being one of them.
The only thing I'd say is maybe a slight scallop at the back to make it easier to tilt the head back, but apart from that I would leave it be.
I think they could streamline the pads, lose the chain (even Kev Walker doesn't bother with it) but you need the helmet, and the shoulder pads (with one an eagle of some sort) IMHO
Yep.
Especially the helmet. It's Dredd's face.
Steven
If they do update or modify the uniform for the movie, I wonder if they'll incorporate it into the comics?
I remember when the 1995 movie came out they modified Dredd's helmet to look a bit more like the movie version for a while (and Dredd used the 'throat mic' more often, as he used it memorably in the film), before quietly dropping it later on.
Personally, I think they should stick to the basic design, and retain a few iconic details, but overall I'd like to see them bring the uniform/bike/gun up to date a bit - make it all look a bit more contemporary and functional.
If the actor playing Dredd is to remain helmeted for the entire film, I reckon they should think about modifying the design of it to show more of his face, or at least make the visor semi-translucent so we see the suggestion of eyes in close ups. Having the protagonist have his or her face covered for long periods of time never seems to work very well in my opinion (V For Vendetta, Spider-man/Green Goblin).
Quote from: radiator on 01 July, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
If they do update or modify the uniform for the movie, I wonder if they'll incorporate it into the comics?
I remember when the 1995 movie came out they modified Dredd's helmet to look a bit more like the movie version for a while (and Dredd used the 'throat mic' more often, as he used it memorably in the film), before quietly dropping it later on.
That recidivist Holden even admits to using the little shields at the collar
to this day. Tccch.
(http://files.posterous.com/pjholden/6k4G3dTXMQiEbLo03OlTspLaJYS0W0qjbbvhMk8aDiH4RxFqYpb7lUd4BwmJ/warzone1.gif?AWSAccessKeyId=1C9REJR1EMRZ83Q7QRG2&Expires=1277989134&Signature=TnBhmZrBt%2BJB%2FKoIWLXbmpFt28M%3D)
And thats part of the beauty of Dredd. People add their own touches and change things. As long as the overall ascetic is correct it doesn't matter. Siku dropped the cross bars surrounding the eyes, Ezquerra has the zip offcenter, Ron Smith gave the helmet a scowl, PJ does what the hell he wants. I think Boo Cook added a snap off bit on the back of the helmet and more motor bike leathers. I think a lot of small touches can be made to the uniform (making it more like contemporary motorbike gear is a good start) but leaving the overall effect. The silhouette shouldn't change even if small details do. And no cod piece.
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 July, 2010, 02:13:26 PM
Ezquerra has the zip offcenter
I think you meant to say "the zip
is offcenter". It's everybody else that has a version where it's not!
But your point is a good one. I love the Irving cue-balls and the D'Israeli wide-boys*.
*But I wouldn't want to see 'em at the movies.
This is the sort of thing I was talking about.
(http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/thepunishercharacters_games/13.jpg)
(http://l.yimg.com/jh/content/p/4/715390/the-punisher-20041005101309902_screen001.jpg)
(http://l.yimg.com/jh/content/p/0/715386/the-punisher-20041005101315339_screen001.jpg)
These are from the Punisher video game.
No thanks, I'll stick with the comic uniform, it's uniquely original and baroque, those modern uniforms are too generically dystopian. The comic uniform can be made to work if crafted properly out of the right materials and wouldn't have to be a ton weight unlike the Stallone version which was not baroque but more gaudy plastic "Power Ranger" than stately cryptofascist executioner.
Quote from: Ratty on 01 July, 2010, 09:31:53 PM
This is the sort of thing I was talking about.
(http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49437&d=1251394437)
Cheers!
Jim
Sorry, but if you change the uniform so it's unrecognisable from the comic you might as well call the film something else, "Future Cop" or something similar.
Dredd's uniform is too iconic to mess with.
What Jim said.
V
I think some of that stuff could go 'underneath' to add a some texture and realism to the leathers etc. Like the extra stuff on Batman. You don't really see it.
Personally, I think the elbow and knee pads are up for grabs as well as the boots, gloves and belt. I think the shoulder pads could be stylised somewhat as long as they retain some sort of eagle on the appropriate shoulder.
The Badge and especially Helmet should stay the same though, there's no reason why they can't. As well as some sort of nod to the original colour scheme for the rest of the costume.
I had an idea, that the shoulder pads could have some kind of electro reactive pigment, which could either be dull, or bright gold like police hi-viz vests.
Steven
Steven's post makes a
lot of sense - the value of direct experience!
Also:
Quote from: Minty on 01 July, 2010, 11:48:43 PM
I had an idea, that the shoulder pads could have some kind of electro reactive pigment, which could either be dull, or bright gold like police hi-viz vests.
Brilliant! Although I'm now also imagining a flashing blue light emerging from the helmet RoboHunter-style...
"Dredd to Control, am pursuing on foot"
Waah-ooh-waah-ooh-wah..
Yeah, I think the punisher ones which are fine, are just too generic if you steer it to far that way.
I think there are elements you can use, but there are certain iconic bits that are required for it to be dredd.
While we're designing things.. :)
For the Lawmaster, the design is limited by what tyres are commerically available as it's financially unviable to create custom ones.
In The Dark Knight, the Bat-Pod had to use tyres from the Tumbler which were square-based racing car tyres. This was the main reason why its instability required a stunt rider, and why he had to lie almost prone on the bike.
If they stick with the iconic wide tyre design for the Lawmaster then they'll go with something like the VEE Monsters (http://www.itascathunder.com/vrbr/tire.htm). Chopper City (http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm) built a Bat-Pod with these. Scroll down the page to watch the videos of the bike out on the streets, and see how a Lawmaster could look in action. Note that the rider sits upright.
This is a good video of it from the front. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjBvt8yvXg&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: CraveNoir on 02 July, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
If they stick with the iconic wide tyre design for the Lawmaster then they'll go with something like the VEE Monsters (http://www.itascathunder.com/vrbr/tire.htm). Chopper City (http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm) built a Bat-Pod with these. Scroll down the page to watch the videos of the bike out on the streets, and see how a Lawmaster could look in action. Note that the rider sits upright.
Bookmarked as reference. That practically
is a Lawmaster!
Cheers
Jim
How much would it cost to build a fleet of these?
re: The uniform/helmet, I think the best way to go would be to get Jock to design it, and allow him some freedom to modernise it as he sees fit - this may well be what has been done, I guess we'll find out pretty soon.
I think a lot depends on how they are approaching the film - if they are going for a Sin City/300 heavily stylised cgi look, then they can make the uniform as close to the comic as they want, but if they are going for the Dark Knight-esque realistic and gritty feel, then they will need to strip back the design a little and make it more practical looking.
Even those who argue that the uniform should remain unchanged must surely agree that whatever happens the bike and the gun need to be redesigned for the screen....
i say they should just leave the uniform and gadgets alone because it mighnt just make dredd a completly different person
Quote from: radiator on 02 July, 2010, 01:20:29 PM
Even those who argue that the uniform should remain unchanged must surely agree that whatever happens the bike and the gun need to be redesigned for the screen....
Agreed, but the
DoubleWhammy setting and voice is sacrosanct. Errr...
Bike, yeah as long as it's big and cool and heavily armed. Something batpod-ish would be great.
I don't see what's wrong with the MKII lawgiver for screen, it looks fine.
They redesigned it for the screen already and the MKII looks better than that.
I really don't think they need to stray that far at all to make Dredd and all his paraphenalia look good and cohesive to it's world. A lot of the so called "realism" we look for can be down to the texture of material used to make said gear, the lighting of it and the final "colour grade" that is applied in post production. The Spider-Man suit is a perfect example of this. They didn't change it from the original design at all but enhanced it through layered intricacy and good craft execution.
The Stallone Dredd was kind of the opposite to this idea. They sort of went mid way to redesigning the uniform then stopped at a certain point and went back to the original, then made it out of the wrong materials such as gaudy shiny gold plastic and tight nylons, so it ended up looking a bit gay -maybe Jean Paul Gautier wanted the codpiece, the gold and the stockings- it was a mish-mash of ideas and very ill-fitting, which is indicative of the mind-set of the '95 film production entire.
Ezquerra's original baroque design should always be the template.
Nothing changes. Everything must stay the same.
Quote from: Garageman on 02 July, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
Ezquerra's original baroque design should always be the template.
I agree. The original design would be perfect for the screen.
Nearest you can get to the Dillon Dredd for me.
Jock all the way. I know Dredd's Ezquerra's baby but Jock's Dredd looks real already
Quote from: radiator on 01 July, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
Having the protagonist have his or her face covered for long periods of time never seems to work very well in my opinion (V For Vendetta, Spider-man/Green Goblin).
To be fair, V and Green Goblin both wore full face masks, a lot can be conveyed from the nose down; with the full face covered there's a lot of gesticulation when speaking to try and emphasise stuff. Same with Power Rangers.
Ok here's my thoughts. I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I would definately like to see a scene with Dredd sans helmet.
Hold on, hold on, put down those torches... before you burn me hear me out.
Dredd's helmet is knocked off somehow and thereafter for the rest of that scene we see him from behind, in shadow or or the top half of his head obscured in some comedy way. The director could have some real fun with clever editing a la Bart's naked skateboarding in the Simpsons movie. We've seen this kind of thing in the comics loads of times over the years, it would serve as a knowing wink to the fans as well as toying with our fears. Or maybe even a bit where he use a face changing machine to make himself look like Rondo Hatton... or even better Stallone! Yeah let the big man have a cameo.
I've gone too far.
I'll get my coat.
Seeing Dredd's face in silouette would be a good way to increase the character's mystique. Of course if the actor under the helmet is well known that would kind of defeat the object.
The one thing that absolutley, without doubt that has to change is the golden codpiece from stallones movie.
Its just wrong!
Wasn't The Golden Codpiece the name of that film version of His Dark Materials?
I think their will be NO references at all to the 1995 Stallone Dredd film.
The DNA film makers will probably want a clean break making their Dreddy something entirely different. I think it might lean towards a brutal but fairly staright forward interpretation of the Justice System depicted in the Judge Dredd comic with Dredd battling enhanced criminals.
However they might try having a more political message with Democratic terrorists being sort of the Good guys commiting heinous acts of violence to restore democracy. Of course Democracy brought about the atomic war's that have devastated this future so in the end the brutal authoritivism [is that a word?] of Dredd and the Judges wins in the end. Chillingly they might bite the bullet and say that one day democracy will be over and Mega City 1 is what's coming, the real future not the techno liberalisms of Star Trek.
This is an entirely new vision of Judge Dredd so will have almost nothing to do with the 1995 one. No ABC warriors, no Stallone walk on part and NO CODPIECE.
Kind of like a western China?
Quote from: Emp on 10 July, 2010, 01:29:47 AM
The one thing that absolutley, without doubt that has to change is the golden codpiece from stallones movie.
Its just wrong!
Absolutely.
NO gold plastic codpiece thanks.NO codpiece at all because its completely superfluous.
A codpiece adds theatrical weight to any production.
The only place the 1995 costume deserves is on a Jimp being pulverised by Dredd in an opening sequence.
V
Quote
The DNA film makers will probably want a clean break making their Dreddy something entirely different. I think it might lean towards a brutal but fairly staright forward interpretation of the Justice System depicted in the Judge Dredd comic with Dredd battling enhanced criminals.
That's what I thought. Look at Batman Begins - a nicely rescued franchise there
i heard there was a problem with his shoulder pads being sewn on or not is it true they are
Er, not quite with you there, Coop. Could you explain? Cheers
well have you read the mega city histories because half way through the first one there was a huge contraversy between the writers whether they were sewn on or not
Ah, I see. Never knew that. I know that some artists seem to make it look like it's made of metal while others seem to make it look like plastic or soft fabric.
Ezquerra shows all the pads as removable, and attached to little metal fittings on the jumpsuit. There's your answer.
(http://www.internet.ad/ezquerra/Imatges/Demarco1.jpg)
Also: hubba.
Quotewell have you read the mega city histories because half way through the first one there was a huge contraversy between the writers whether they were sewn on or not
I vaguely remember this - it's from
Judge Dredd: The Mega-History IIRC.
The shoulder pads are supposed to be
body armour - something that has been shown explicity in the comics several times. I always found the idea some people thought that they might be made of fabric to be utterly ludicrous.
I've always imagined they would be made from sort sort of tough, lightweight alloy, or a sort of kevlar-type material coated with a layer of shiny metal.
The early '70's Clint Eastwood' Dredds could have had a more softer pad based material, but I still go for the idea of the armour being more plate based protection.
Mind you, recent news on 'Custard' based bullet proof armour (fluid based compound that rapidly hardens on impact) would show that both worlds are theoretically possible. I know motorbike protective armour has adopted this principle already....
who origenally came up with dredds armour? wass it ezquerra
By crikey, yes
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 July, 2010, 11:23:52 AM
Ezquerra shows all the pads as removable, and attached to little metal fittings on the jumpsuit.
I have to say, my eyes are always drawn to her shoulders in that picture...
Sigh.
Okay, back to board...
Quote from: radiator on 14 July, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
Quote
The shoulder pads are supposed to be body armour - something that has been shown explicity in the comics several times.
I've often thought it a bit daft that the armour only seemed to cover the shoulders. I.e. the parts of the body where injuries are generally not fatal. Well, okay, I suppose it can be indirectly fatal in that a wrecked arm means you can't use your lawgiver,etc,etc. A bit of chest armour would makes sense. (Albeit DeMarco appears to have hers built in. Boom Tsh!) From a practical perspective anyway, I know the shoulder pads stand out more from a visual perspective. Not that I'm suggesting the film version should be drastically changed to accommodate, just airing my thoughts on the costume in general.
Quote from: radiator on 14 July, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
I've always imagined they would be made from sort sort of tough, lightweight alloy, or a sort of kevlar-type material coated with a layer of shiny metal.
Maybe some sort of 'Plastisteel'? :P
Quotewho origenally came up with dredds armour? wass it ezquerra
I would say that while Ezquerra designed Dredd, McMahon should get a lot of the credit for refining the look of Dredd and his world.
Quote from: radiator on 14 July, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
The shoulder pads are supposed to be body armour - something that has been shown explicity in the comics several times. I always found the idea some people thought that they might be made of fabric to be utterly ludicrous.
I don't think that was ever specifically stated though they were frequently reffered to as "shoulder pads" by most artists/writers with a few to the contrary. It always made sense to me that they would be a toughned leather type/layered/lined and above all "
flexible" material, stuffed with something similar to kevlar on the inside. Seeing them as "armour" in the sense of shiny metal or alloy coated material always seemed cumbersome and a bit silly, Judges aren't medieval Knights and carrying a dead, hardened inflexible weight would be impractical and too decorative, the shiny plastic gold nonsense of the Stallone film was wrong in my opinion.
Maybe the eagle head on the right shoulder pad could be metal or coated but not all of it, having a rather large shiny metal shoulder while trying to apprehend a perp would make you too visible, a metal badge is bad enough.
It might not make sense being armour in a ballistic sense but the Judge armour was designed as biker armour so it makes more sense that way
now see, i always thought of them as metal but now think they are some sort of plasteen more like a very hard rubber offering protection (no jokes please!) and flexibility...
Although the eagle pad is metallic in outer appearance, I've never thought of the pads as metal. What can metal do when struck by a bullet? Deflect it dangerously, or absorb the force by shattering dangerously. You may be better off just taking the bullet. And what about the weight? I suppose there could be such a thing as a honeycombed, lightweight, non-brittle, impact absorbant, fantasy metal but then you've moved into the realm of meta-materials anyway, so can expand your horizons to include futuristic textiles and plastics which is what today's police/military use anyway.
Three paragraphs deleted here as I droned on about how I'd design/explain a bulletproof uniform, and how I had the idea for bulletproof custard (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10569761) years ago. Blah blah blah... I'm a real bore on this subject.
Oh, while I'm here, you can probably count out Jason Stratham who's in the Philippines in the autumn shooting Safe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1656190/), and probably Thomas Jane who's busy this Summer on LOL: Laughing Out Loud (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1592873/) and Melt With You (http://screenrant.com/thomas-jane-jeremy-piven-melt-with-you-niall-68602/), then is reportedly back at work on Hung (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1229413/) although I've seen no confirmation of that.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 15 July, 2010, 10:35:38 PM
Oh, while I'm here, you can probably count out Jason Stratham who's in the Philippines in the autumn shooting Safe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1656190/), and probably Thomas Jane who's busy this Summer on LOL: Laughing Out Loud (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1592873/) and Melt With You (http://screenrant.com/thomas-jane-jeremy-piven-melt-with-you-niall-68602/), then is reportedly back at work on Hung (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1229413/) although I've seen no confirmation of that.
I don't think there has been any definite confirmation on when Dredd will shoot only a proposed time in the Autumn, if all goes well and all ducks are in a row, usually these things get delayed.
They really need to start shooting this soon so I can see stuff and then comment on it.
Quote from: SAJse on 16 July, 2010, 06:53:56 AM
They really need to start shooting this soon so I can see stuff and then comment on it.
:lol:
I think all of Dredd's uniform is made of wood.
Pj Maybe's dad made their trousers?
I assume as they're riding about on motorbikes, they're wearing some fancy future bikers leathers. The pads are protection & the stupid helmet - well - no protection or strap to hold it on ...
The sooner we have a new JD Movie - the sooner I can throw away the last one :lol:
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/07/19/judge-dredd-screenplay-compared-to-die-hard-and-blade-runner/
Please god let this passage be all wrong from that article, "But things take a turn for the worse when Dredd and Anderson find themselves on the run from the Ma-Ma Clang."
Why would Dredd go on the 'run' when he has the full might of the Justice Department at his call. Still I have faith in Wagner and if he thought the script was okay I shall not pass full judgement yet :-\
Turning Anderson into a generic rookie Judge is a strange choice. Unless they intend to do something with her Psi talents at some point in the film. If they just want a female Rookie street Judge, Hershey or Beeny probably would have been better choices.
I take 'on the run' like they get caught alone and cut-off in a City-Block with this 'Ma-Ma Clang' after them. Really it could mean ANYTHING at this point.
Assuming there's any reliability in the report, the general idea sounds like the solid Graveyard Shift style of story that'd be my own preference. Personally i'd leave psychic powers out of this (for now) - muddies the waters.
Quote from: kraken on 20 July, 2010, 02:36:12 AM
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/07/19/judge-dredd-screenplay-compared-to-die-hard-and-blade-runner/
there is a bit of a yikes factor that our source is MTV. is this who the movie is being positioned for ??
that means mass market 14 year olds.
i hope dredd will not be g-rated pap/
Uh, no... MTV's Splash Page is one of the best entertainment news sites around.
I would have preferred the cadet name to be Dekker. A solid character that was under used and was [spoiler]incorrectly cut down in Judgement day.
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QuoteBut things take a turn for the worse when Dredd and Anderson find themselves on the run from the Ma-Ma Clang.
Not jumping to conclusions but I don't like the idea of Dredd being "on the run" as that is what all Stallone movies are about and in what way is Anderson utilised? I like the idea of it being set during one night, "Graveyard Shift". I don't like what else is mentioned in the review, if you can call it that since it's rather flimsy and full of useless hyperbole and references to Die hard, Blade Runner and cliches like high-octane and action packed which mean fuck all, but I won't make judgement on the script until I read it or see it.
Just so we all know what we're talking about:
http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/07/details-alex-garlands-judge-dredd.html
Words of the script reviewer:
Imagine DIE HARD taking place within the world of BLADE RUNNER; that's the JUDGE DREDD script offered by Alex Garland. Clocking in at 110 pages, this is not the most complex or plot heavy story. What is offered is a high-octaine, action filled screenplay, that is both hardcore and gritty.
MEGA CITY ONE is plagued by a new drug, SLO-MO, it slows everything down and produces visually stunning images, with time that moves at one percent normal.
Dredd has a rookie shadowing him for the night (CASSANDRA ANDERSON), she has some special abilities that the CHIEF JUDGE thinks could be very useful, however her JUDGE APTITUDE test score just put her below a pass. It's up to DREDD to see if she has what it takes to be a Judge and one night to do so.
The pair investigate a multiple homicide in PEACH TREE BLOCK. A place run and controlled by the MA-MA CLANG. After busting one of Ma-Ma's henchmen, Ma-Ma takes control and locks the entire place down, she seals the place with concrete shutters -- and no way out. Ma-Ma also tells everyone within the block to KILL THE JUDGES, or their families will suffer. Ma-Ma is the ultimate force in Peach Trees, more than the law, so everyone complies. Dredd and Anderson have to survive, holding onto their prisoner and try and escape the block. They begin on the ground floor and work their way up the 200 or so floors.
It's a very action heavy script, with some amazing sequences that will make any Dredd fan happy...this is a gritty film, that plays the world we are in as a realistic future, a very dark, unpleasant crime ridden world as Dredd explains 'Tweleve serious crimes reported every minute. Seventeen thousand per day. We respond to around six percent'. The famous 'I am the law' makes a few appearances.
It never felt too long or too short, It's just right. The pace is fantastic and if shot well would make for one visually stunning piece upon release.
There is a very cool sequence told from a junkie's POV high on SLO-MO, the cool visuals of melting images, vibrant colours and a slow raid by Dredd and Anderson will be something very cool to see.
I reckon that sounds ok. Not my dream movie but it seems a workable premise.
setting it in just one block is a good way to keep that budget trimmed, just a couple of establishing shots and maybe a flyover at the start to get the city set then down into the gritty action, little bit of street action then into the block. I like that Anderson has unknown abitlities (PSI) and Ma Ma Clang seems to be able to control the block or maybe bend it to her will (PSI). Sending the cits after Dreddy gives em a good chance to show quite a few of the Mega city crazes such as Fatties, Uglies etc this is sounding pretty promising. Introducing Anderson this way could also mean a visit from Death in the sequal should this prove a hit.
Does anyone know is this being shot in 3D or undergoing the dreaded conversion proccess?.
CU RadBacker
While I know it's just press-release speak, the key concern for me is 'gritty' - hopefully this doesn't mean an absence of MC1 kooks, simps, fatties, futsies, batgliders and uglies. Humour and weirdness (note= not synonyms for Rob Schneider) are a key part of Dredd, and essential to stop him being one more monosyllabic cop in a grim future.
Making Anderson a rookie sidekick hands the mandatory 'character arc' side of things over to her, which is a pleasing idea in that it (hopefully) frees Dredd up from learning the value of friendship and humility, or whatever. It also raises the possibility of her reporting on what's going on inside Dredd's head without the need for the man himself to emote.
Sounds like a promising direction. Remember however, a film can change almost beyond recognition even before it starts lensing, then if the studio don't keep their nose out, again totally before they finish. It's a better start than trying to cram almost every element ever of the Dredd story into a shiny codpiece though.
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 July, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
It's a better start than trying to cram almost every element ever of the Dredd story into a shiny codpiece though.
Or indeed making a particular 'epic'. I wonder if the recent (Morrison? Williams?) Dredd story where his bionic eyes are knocked out was any kind of an inspiration? More likely both are drawing from the same Die Hard well. 'Dredd stuck ina block' is an interesting idea, in that it emphasises the scarcity of judges and the scale of the city, while separating him from the might of backup without taking him out of the City or putting him at odds with Justice Dept. Not a bad idea. See also: Mutie Block.
I believe most people agree that the first 10 mintues of the Stalone Dredd were pretty much spot on Judge Dredd. Seems like this movie is going to be that, for the whole movie.
I approve.
Sounds.... interesting. It's clear at this point that we're going to see a fairly loose adaptation. As Colin says, it doesn't sound like the ideal Dredd movie, but it sounds pretty good and the limited scope of the plot makes sense considering the budget. I'm sure their plan would be to do a more ambitious, expansive sequel if this one does ok.
Garland seems to have changed the role of the judges slightly - only responding to six percent of crimes doesn't ring true for the comics, and though it does sound overly grim and gritty, I have faith that this will be balanced out by some humour - remember that even 28 Days Later had some light-hearted scenes and comedic moments.
The plot seems very simplistic (the Playlist site compares it to a videogame :-\) but I'm sure this is deliberate - as the film is going to be 3d I guess they're going for spectacle and are keeping the story bare-bones to not alienate non-fans.
I'm slightly concerned about the apparent use of the "I Am The Law!" catchphrase, and also the cheesy slang phrases like 'Ma Ma Clan' and 'Slo-mo'. Not sure why they didn't just carry some slang or villains over from the comics, but the mystery script reviewer does say that there are a few references for the fans in there, which sounds promising.
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 July, 2010, 09:13:18 AM
Making Anderson a rookie sidekick hands the mandatory 'character arc' side of things over to her, which is a pleasing idea in that it (hopefully) frees Dredd up from learning the value of friendship and humility, or whatever. It also raises the possibility of her reporting on what's going on inside Dredd's head without the need for the man himself to emote.
Yeah I think this use of Anderson has is pretty encouraging possiblities. We get a good character who Dredd can introduce the harsh realisties of Mega City One too and the audience can empathise with, leaving Dredd to be the hard bastard of the piece.
As long as we don't close on the line.
'Oh Cassie I've been such a fool and you've openned my eyes to what a grumpy old grump I've been. Giz a hug'
This could work.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 20 July, 2010, 09:54:52 AM
'Oh Cassie I've been such a fool and you've openned my eyes to what a grumpy old grump I've been. Giz a hug'
'Course unless i misremember, Anderson is the only judge Dredd has ever directly expressed affection for. Where's Logan/Perkins with a Prog ref and a scanned page when you need him?
I've got a bad feeling about this.
Certainly interesting if a little cliche.
Die Hard is the daddy of the modern action movie and Bladerunner is the film that saw the real future coming so nodding your head towards those two seems a pretty sound idea on paper but the devils always in the details.
Fingers crossed everybody. :-\
Whatever happens, they should really avoid releasing Dredd 3d in the summer of 2012, or it'll be completely overlooked because of the competition - Star trek II, The Avengers, Spider-Man Begin Again, Batman 3...
Stuck in a block trying to get out? Sounds completely awful to me.
The opportunity here is not for an action film, but more a 'mature' allegory of the world we live in transplanted to a near-fascist state. Dredd needs to be the enemy - not a hero with a big gun. The protagonist needs to be a citizen - we need to see things through their eyes.
The film-makers need to aspire to create something that will endure - not something that will fade away like the first film.
It should be aspiring to be more like "1984" than "Die Hard".
M@
With you all the way there Banners, but do 'mature allegories' shift merch (other than Eurythmics albums, I mean)?
And if only that first film would fade away!
It sounds like a mash up of The Warriors/300/Escape from New York to me, and SLO-MO seems like an excuse to do 300 style time stretchings.
If it's in continuity then for Anderson to be a Rookie it'd have to be set in the 2090s, before the comics begin. So we've got five main players:
Judge Dredd - in his mid to late 30s.
Rookie Judge Anderson - representing the genesis of PSI Division?
Ma-Ma - makes me think of Alabamy Blimps, and a female threat needs a gimmick so I'm picturing a Fatty.
Ma-Ma's Goon - Hopefully not the new Fergie!
Chief Judge - Goodman?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/149-346-25-JDD800x685.png)
From the Daily Star strip "Undercity", reprinted in Meg 3.45
Script: John Wagner/Alan Grant, Artist: Ian Gibson
Sounds promising. A 3D feast visually similar in style to 'Sunshine' perhaps? Won't break the budget and set things up nicely for Dredd2.
Marketing perspective here folks.
Introduce Anderson in this film so that in the next film we're all set for Judge Death.
Worked with the Joker. Batman Begins uses a ' Joe Public unknown villain', Batman kicks ass, everyone loves it - next film the big bad guy villain everyone knows.
Thats the Hollywood formula $$$$, lets show them how it's done properly Rebellion.
QuoteStuck in a block trying to get out? Sounds completely awful to me.
The opportunity here is not for an action film, but more a 'mature' allegory of the world we live in transplanted to a near-fascist state. Dredd needs to be the enemy - not a hero with a big gun. The protagonist needs to be a citizen - we need to see things through their eyes.
The film-makers need to aspire to create something that will endure - not something that will fade away like the first film.
It should be aspiring to be more like "1984" than "Die Hard".
I can see your point, but we ain't talking about Shakespeare here! I think the film's biggest chance to be a success is to be an all-out action movie. It only needs to establish Dredd and his world, sequels can develop things further. I think the message it needs to send is 'This is how the British do a superhero/comic book movie', and first and foremost it needs to show Dredd kicking arse, you can discuss the moral ambiguity of his actions later.
While all us fans would love to see an adaptation of something like
America, I can't see it interesting a mainstream audience. After all,
America only worked because it turned everything that came before it on its head - it's not a great introduction to the character and his world.
The 'stuck in a building' conceit is obviously a compromise for budgetary reasons, but done right it could make for a pretty exciting, tense premise - and I'd rather the filmmakers make a good looking, slick, modest film, than try to overreach themselves and it all looking cheap and nasty.
My only worry is that it's going to be too videogame-y/macho/action packed and end up being lumped in with the likes of
Gamer and
Crank and all those other third rate action films that only have limited appeal. I'm hoping that at least some of the substance from the comic strip is present in the script.
Here! Here!
See, you say "stuck in a building", but try to remember just how big a Mega-city block actually is. That's kind of like saying "stuck in a city" in contemporary terms. Still quite a lot of scope.
Just hoping we get some decent lawmasters this time round...
I still think it would be neat if the end of the film has an outrageous, climactic shootout/car chase and Dredd only just makes it to the end of the movie in one piece - all bloodied and limping - dead perps littering the floor all around him - the twist being that he considers it 'just another day at the office', nothing out of the ordinary, and at the end of the movie he gets patched up, gets ten minutes in the sleep machine, then it's off out on patrol again - roll credits.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 July, 2010, 02:00:29 PM
Just hoping we get some decent lawmasters this time round...
I hope they fly
... ok I don't.
Somebody give Radiator a job on this picture, quick. That would indeed be the perfect ending.
Strange, but the idea of another Dredd movie that tried to encompass his entire world filled me with dispair at the thought of how the budget limits would shine through.
Whereas the scenario mentioned in this article excites me.
Ma Ma Clang? Asiatic sounding, The wild, exotic East etc.
I don't think there will be too many allegories to the current War on Terror though I'm sure they exist. So for the more liberal minded perhaps this interpretation of the forthcoming J.D 3D movie will ease your perception of just another Hollywood action flick.
The Judges you could argue represent Western Imperialists come to 'kick Ma Ma Clang ass' only to discover themselves outnumbered and outgunned, surrounded by hostile forces and trapped inside territory their enemies are only all too familiar with.
Now what could be happening in the world today that's similar to that? ;)
So, now we 'know' that Mrs. Anderson's Little Girl is going to be almost exactly that, who do we favour for the role? Imagine what 15 years in the toughest school on Earth might do to a pretty psychic, or just put on your Pervy Dad hat and head for the casting couch!
And yes, Katee Sackoff is too old.
Katie Perrie for Anderson please (slap on blonde hair dye and she's already got the fringe)... with a guest appearance from Russell on SLO MO!
I am not unhappy with this news at all.
All it lacks Judge Death with his laser shield, genetically modified sugar and an army of CG robots at the end, but I'm sure if we all start writing to Mr Kingsley now, he'll see sense.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 July, 2010, 03:36:09 PM
So, now we 'know' that Mrs. Anderson's Little Girl is going to be almost exactly that, who do we favour for the role? Imagine what 15 years in the toughest school on Earth might do to a pretty psychic, or just put on your Pervy Dad hat and head for the casting couch!
And yes, Katee Sackoff is too old.
Manny moons ago on the old movie thread I suggested Kaley Cuoco for Anderson. I'd stand by that.
And Katee Sackoff has more obstacles than age. Lack of acting ability for one.
Sounds like a great idea for a reboot.No bagage and it plays to the budget.Now get the look right and we're onto a winner.
Can't wait for the merchandise,wants me a helmet n lawgiver.
Sounds a good fit for the budget - not sure about this slomo thing, just seems to be a bullet-time gimmick a decade on...
Some kind of hallucination would have been cool, along the lines of that McCarthy Dredd story, but maybe it would have been too much like the Scarecrow's fear drug in Batman Begins.
I just hope we get to see a good chunk of the meg before it becomes blockbound.
Quote from: dracula1 on 20 July, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
Katie Perrie for Anderson please (slap on blonde hair dye and she's already got the fringe)... with a guest appearance from Russell on SLO MO!
Anderson doesn't have a fringe, and if Brussel Bland comes within a million miles of this film, I will hunt down the creators and force them to watch his stand up routines.
Quote from: Noisybast on 20 July, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
See, you say "stuck in a building", but try to remember just how big a Mega-city block actually is. That's kind of like saying "stuck in a city" in contemporary terms. Still quite a lot of scope.
Indeed. I think its often glossed over that each City Block is in itself a full scale modern age city. With only a handful of Judge's assigned to full time patrol. Its gotta be easy to get lost and overwhelmed in there.
I'm holding out hope for a skysurfer gang attacking them in the block's arboretum. :)
If I'm interpreting the SLO-MO correctly, it's effectively jazzed up speed, meaning Dredd & Co take on some super-duper-fast perps, and we see the combat from both points of view.
The worry, for me, lies with the perp they're dragging through the block as he's a potential Fergie Mk II!
QuoteIf I'm interpreting the SLO-MO correctly, it's effectively jazzed up speed, meaning Dredd & Co take on some super-duper-fast perps, and we see the combat from both points of view.
That would make sense - I've read parts of Garland's script for the aborted
Halo movie, and in it he describes the Spartans as moving and fighting at an unnatural speed - a sort of amphetamine fueled haze. Perhaps he has recycled that idea into the
Dredd script?
However rereading the synopsis, it does seem to infer
slow motion:
QuoteMEGA CITY ONE is plagued by a new drug, SLO-MO, it slows everything down and produces visually stunning images, with time that moves at one percent normal.
I kind of hope not, as slow motion has surely been done to death by now thanks to Snyder et al? The film needs some kind of unique visual hook if it's going to be going for spectacle.
I dunno, though I believe that the anonymous script review is genuine, it isn't very well written (loads of typos etc), so it stands to reason that it probably includes some inaccuracies.
The more i think about this the more it sounds like a one man black hawk down which is a very good thing.
Quote from: radiator on 20 July, 2010, 02:02:06 PM
I still think it would be neat if the end of the film has an outrageous, climactic shootout/car chase and Dredd only just makes it to the end of the movie in one piece - all bloodied and limping - dead perps littering the floor all around him - the twist being that he considers it 'just another day at the office', nothing out of the ordinary, and at the end of the movie he gets patched up, gets ten minutes in the sleep machine, then it's off out on patrol again - roll credits.
sounds like a majority of progs to me
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 July, 2010, 07:27:17 PM
I'm holding out hope for a skysurfer gang attacking them in the block's arboretum. :)
If I'm interpreting the SLO-MO correctly, it's effectively jazzed up speed, meaning Dredd & Co take on some super-duper-fast perps, and we see the combat from both points of view.
The worry, for me, lies with the perp they're dragging through the block as he's a potential Fergie Mk II!
Slo-mo in filmspeak is exactly that, slow motion, no more, no less. It's not time-slicing or bullet-time or anything else.My own gripe with this script summary, if true and cogent, is the "Anderson" factor. I'm not sure that the PSI/paranormal element should be introduced in the first film. It leads me to think that they are actually going down the Judge Death route in successive films fairly soon, if not right away, if the first film proves a success. If they weren't thinking of this, I believe, they would not be priming the Anderson character and PSI abilities from the get-go since the arrival of "Death" is the obvious arc for the Anderson character bar none, otherwise, why bother with the PSI element at all? It is a plot device that produces more hassles and deus ex machinas in Dredd's futurescape than any other.
My own preference in Dredd stories, and what have been the most successful in the last two decades of Dredd, are the procedural, multi character type arcs and the Total War angle et al mixed in with the rest of "ordinary" Mega City living, these are really the least "comic book" and more "cinematic" elements of Dredd which will add future to my future puzzlement if they are going to introduce Death in the next films. I'm hoping for a less fantasy styled Dredd for cinema, like "The Dark Knight". I assume Rebellion are looking at the commercial return more than the the substance with this one, another tragic consequence of following the awful Stallone film namely, the neccessity for this reboot to bring in the cash form the start.
Anyway, who really knows what way they are going, we know fuck all yet, but Anderson does bother me. I think there are better characters, the Block idea is great and the more the Judges get to interact in scenes with the everyday ordinary citizens, the better, as this is what Dredd is really about, not just psychic powers and crime syndicates...and there better be plenty of room forsome Lawmater action.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 July, 2010, 08:06:15 PM
forsome Lawmater action.
Is this a new kind of slash-fic that has somehow passed me by?
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: radiator on 20 July, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
Garland seems to have changed the role of the judges slightly - only responding to six percent of crimes doesn't ring true for the comics, and though it does sound overly grim and gritty, I have faith that this will be balanced out by some humour - remember that even 28 Days Later had some light-hearted scenes and comedic moments.
Agreed on this point - the whole idea of the Judges is that they are over stretched, but also that instant justice is the only way to even to begin to tackle the problem - if they are only answering 6%, they may as well throw in the towel! :)
The trapped in block concept isnt too bad - not sure of the need for the shutters - a City Block is a massive thing, so you wouldnt need shutters to keep someone in surely, as there would be limited ways out of the damned thing that if you were in control of a large and determined gan of crims you could herd your Judges away from.
Quote from: Garageman on 20 July, 2010, 08:24:51 AM
QuoteBut things take a turn for the worse when Dredd and Anderson find themselves on the run from the Ma-Ma Clang.
Not jumping to conclusions but I don't like the idea of Dredd being "on the run" as that is what all Stallone movies are about and in what way is Anderson utilised? I like the idea of it being set during one night, "Graveyard Shift". I don't like what else is mentioned in the review, if you can call it that since it's rather flimsy and full of useless hyperbole and references to Die hard, Blade Runner and cliches like high-octane and action packed which mean fuck all, but I won't make judgement on the script until I read it or see it.
My thoughts exactly.
Just a load of cliched reviewer-speak.
Is it usual for scripts to be "making the rounds already" especially when a film is still in development or is this a euphamism for something that has been leaked ?
Its the "anonymous writer" aspect that i am not sure about and its a bit like saying you were told something in a pub or read it on a website somewhere.
The dreaded "Reboot" word is being used again and its one of my many pet hates.
What or who are the "Ma Ma clang" ? and whats all that about only responding to 6 percent of reported crimes ?
Is the JD that chronically under-resourced and short of Judges or are the crime rates in MC 1 in the script being overplayed and exaggerated for the sake of the film ?
The article also says this film is a reboot of the character and the franchise which it is not as JD is not part of any franchise and its not a reboot of the character either.Stupid Dickhead.You can tell that the writer of the article knows absolutely nothing about the character and then claims that the fans will be very happy with it because it has lots of action in the script.
::)
Give me a break.
Quote from: Ratty on 20 July, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 20 July, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
Katie Perrie for Anderson please (slap on blonde hair dye and she's already got the fringe)... with a guest appearance from Russell on SLO MO!
Anderson doesn't have a fringe, and if Brussel Bland comes within a million miles of this film, I will hunt down the creators and force them to watch his stand up routines.
Brussel Bland
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I dont want to see that useless overrated scruffy unfunny twat in the film either.
Isnt he married to a cut price - bargain basement Alanis Morrisette ?
No Katie Perry for me thanks as i dont want the film to be cheapened with dross like that.
I take it Dredd and Anderson are stuck inside this Crim controlled Block with other Judges trying to get them out ala Die Hard?
Well the only way for Dreddy to survive the fast attacks of the drug enhanced crims is for Anderson's psychic ability to predict which direction the scum are coming from so that's why she and not Hershey, Giant etc is in here with old Granite Face. The writer realised even Dredd by himself couldn't survive without ESP help.
It's Die Hard meets Bladerunner meets Minority Report! :)
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 20 July, 2010, 08:21:41 PM
I take it Dredd and Gunderson are stuck inside this Crim controlled Block with other Judges trying to get them out ala Die Hard?
How much better would that be? (Plus the laser shields and genetically modified sugar, obviously.)
Cheers!
Jim
If this film is really good, I'll be delighted. If it's really bad, I can take solace in the firstorm that will erupt on the forum.
If it's just mediocre, I'll be extremely angry.
What I've heard so far (unsubstatiated rumours) leads me to believe that the film could be good. I like the idea of setting the film in a block, as it enables us to get a view of life in Mega-City One without endangering the budget.
I'm concerned at the news that Anderson will feature in the film. I find myself wondering if she's been put in to please the fans, regardless of whether she bears any resemblance to the judge we know and love.
So far I'm not seeing anything about the plot that sounds particularly Dredd-like. Considering we know next to nothing, that's not really a problem yet. Still, Dredd's statement that they "only respond to 6% of crimes", doesn't sound right at all.
The news of "references for the fans", and multiple utterences of the phrase "I am the law", sets off major alarm bells in my head. In practice this generally ammounts to little more than giving the fans a nice pat on the head.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 20 July, 2010, 08:52:57 PM
So far I'm not seeing anything about the plot that sounds particularly Dredd-like. Considering we know next to nothing, that's not really a problem yet. Still, Dredd's statement that they "only respond to 6% of crimes", doesn't sound right at all.
On this quote, I take more it being about how overwhelmed Judges are all the time. Its not so much that they choose not to respond, they can't respond to all of them in time.
I've always kind of assumed this is the case in Dreddworld. So it rings true to me.
I'm OK with this little snippet of info... have a few gripes (concrete blocks to seal the doors... two words... HI EX!)
I don't think it'll be a Dredd 'on the run' more a Dredd fightin his way through.
I can see the Die Hard angle here... Dredd takin out gang members one by one... using the resources at his disposal to achieve his goal (get out).
Could be fun... but could also be branded as a Die Hard rip off.. same secario.. gang hold up building, holds hostages to ransom... one cop inside does away with the bad guys one by one etc....
Good idea to constrain the budget, having most of the action take place in one night and in one place (albeit a very BIG city block place).. Anderson's in there to introduce the Dark Judges in a future film... why else use the character.. the next film (if there is a next film) will be Judge Death.
And I'm sure the MA-MA Clang should read MA-MA Clan... that's gotta be some sort of gang name... that G has gotta be a typo.
Until something solid comes into fruition I am just happy this is underway and gathering momentum.
(Plus the laser shields and genetically modified sugar, obviously.)
V
Anonymous writer? Gotta be scojo.
I think the inclusion of Anderson isn't such a big deal. Age wise, if she's a rookie-18-20 years old, that could put Dredd at early 30's. As she's a rookie, and her psi talents are new to Justice Dept, if they are used sparingly and not relied on to carry the story then they might balance Dredd's tough no-nonsense approach, much like her role in the weekly when she was conceived.
On the trapped scenario, I like it. If this Ma Ma rallies or bullies the whole block into trying to get Dredd then it's gonna make for some spectacular scenes of carnage and action, especially if half of them are out of it on Slo-mo. Think of the zombies in 28 days later.
Just a thought from my fevered brain but if this SLO-MO drug slows everything down to 1% normal speed doesn't it mean that you can react quicker if you take the stuff?
You'll be able to anticipate someone's move long before they complete it and react accordingly. A resource stretched Justice Department would surely be very interested in that. :)
The SLO-MO drug reminds me of the story where some dude taunted the Department with is gadget which slowed down time.
V
Bring it on!
Quote from: vzzbux on 20 July, 2010, 09:50:03 PM
The SLO-MO drug reminds me of the story where some dude taunted the Department with is gadget which slowed down time.
V
Was it
Edwin the Confesser where a criminal wearing a revolutionary time device stole a lot and called himself the Invisible man or something.
He was spied on by a loony who loved to confess to every crime he could. Maybe
Edwin will appear in the movie as comic relief?
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 July, 2010, 03:36:09 PM
So, now we 'know' that Mrs. Anderson's Little Girl is going to be almost exactly that, who do we favour for the role? Imagine what 15 years in the toughest school on Earth might do to a pretty psychic, or just put on your Pervy Dad hat and head for the casting couch!
And yes, Katee Sackoff is too old.
Carey Mulligan.
(http://topnews.in/light/files/Carey-Mulligan.jpg)
Good call! Sparrow for Cass!
I was just about to mention Carey Mulligan for Anderson.
If the script is apparently "making the rounds" then why didnt the anonymous writer make the actual script available online rather than publishing a review of it ?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 July, 2010, 11:18:49 PM
If the script is apparently "making the rounds" then why didnt the anonymous writer make the actual script available online rather than publishing a review of it ?
Cause he has journalistic integrity and would like to see other early scripts in his career?
Peter, this is a very common part of the early development of second-string action movies in the internet age.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 20 July, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 July, 2010, 11:18:49 PM
If the script is apparently "making the rounds" then why didnt the anonymous writer make the actual script available online rather than publishing a review of it ?
Cause he has journalistic integrity and would like to see other early scripts in his career?
Does that include being anonymous ?
Or do you mean that the script has been leaked ?I can accept the need to be anonymous and not publish the script if that was the case.
Quote from: The Cosh on 20 July, 2010, 11:51:16 PM
Peter, this is a very common part of the early development of second-string action movies in the internet age.
I think that this comment explains it.Its my fault for being out of touch or naive as its not really something i know very much about or keep up to date with.
I'm wondering if it was this guy.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?4813-Michael-Bay-should-direct-a-new-Judge-Dredd-film (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?4813-Michael-Bay-should-direct-a-new-Judge-Dredd-film)
Scroll down to see a sample of his script.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 20 July, 2010, 11:57:50 PM
Does that include being anonymous ?
Or do you mean that the script has been leaked ?I can accept the need to be anonymous and not publish the script if that was the case.
He's probably an industry insider who sees many scripts. If he 'leaks' said scripts to the public, nobody is going to trust giving him scripts any more. Why kill the golden goose just to spoil some sci-fi action movie?
QuoteI'm wondering if it was this guy.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?4813-Michael-Bay-should-direct-a-new-Judge-Dredd-film
Scroll down to see a sample of his script.
I see he who should not be named (LOL) was bussy on the Michael Bay forum last year (LOL), I've never had the pleasure of reading one of his famouse scripts (LOL) but what he samples there is rather horrible (LOL). Then the smug shit goes and rags on poor Mr Bay (LOL) because Transformers 2 got some pretty bad reviews (it was still one of the biggest grossing movies last year). LOL
Anyone that LOL's that much has something wrong with em.
I'm glad there's a permo ban here.
CU Radacker
With regards to Judges responding to only 6% of crimes,i read it as that there are only enough Judges to handle 6% because there is that MUCH crime,to much to cope not lazy Judges.They are swamped,hence Dredd taking no shit.
Comments at AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/45838#comment_3456447) provide further details on the script.
Alex Garland's script is well done...
Yes, there are things I wanted to see this time around (like Judge Death) that I feel would have set it even further apart from the Stallone attempt, but all in all this is a very well written piece that really captures the feel of the character and yes Dredd is never seen without his helmet on. It also has a little Training Day flavor without the backstabbing between Dredd and Anderson and her PSI abilities are why she is even being given another attempt at being a Judge for one night under Dredd's supervision. Dredd is a hardass character in this version that still retains his violent streak throughout. Garland gives him just a little room to grow without getting away from what makes the character so special. I found myself laughing at the mean-spirited humor throughout. My main gripe with the material is just a minor one. There is a little tip or easteregg in act one with a thug wearing a tattoo of Judge Death. I would remove this, because it actually led me to anticipate the character coming into play in the script which I kept waiting for the character to appear, which only served to distracted me from the actual story at hand, which in turn does it a diservice. The story is solid and the interaction between Dredd and Anderson is what really made the read worthwhile. This is a fine reintroduction of the character who never loses his balls in this version and we can save Judge Death for the sequel.
Anderson uses the dialogue line "bitch" in a retort to one of Ma-Ma's clan, but it reminded me of the lame line in Stallone's version where Hershey replies "That's judge bitch" before headbutting Joan Chen. I would change it for that reason alone.
Anderson DOES end up naked in the script.
It has more focus on the characters and contained action, but that doesn't mean its not going to kick ass. It feels completely true to the spirit of the character and more like a tale from the actual comics. It still has scope, but more in an Escape From New York kind of feel.
by Passenger54
Dredd's arc would appear to be in accepting the value of PSI Judges.
Fascinating times!
Indeed, my inter-fanboy is squealing with joy.
Almost want to pop the Stallone flick in to celebrate.
Almost.
QuoteAlex Garland's script is well done...
Yes, there are things I wanted to see this time around (like Judge Death) that I feel would have set it even further apart from the Stallone attempt, but all in all this is a very well written piece that really captures the feel of the character and yes Dredd is never seen without his helmet on. It also has a little Training Day flavor without the backstabbing between Dredd and Anderson and her PSI abilities are why she is even being given another attempt at being a Judge for one night under Dredd's supervision. Dredd is a hardass character in this version that still retains his violent streak throughout. Garland gives him just a little room to grow without getting away from what makes the character so special. I found myself laughing at the mean-spirited humor throughout. My main gripe with the material is just a minor one. There is a little tip or easteregg in act one with a thug wearing a tattoo of Judge Death. I would remove this, because it actually led me to anticipate the character coming into play in the script which I kept waiting for the character to appear, which only served to distracted me from the actual story at hand, which in turn does it a diservice. The story is solid and the interaction between Dredd and Anderson is what really made the read worthwhile. This is a fine reintroduction of the character who never loses his balls in this version and we can save Judge Death for the sequel.
Anderson uses the dialogue line "bitch" in a retort to one of Ma-Ma's clan, but it reminded me of the lame line in Stallone's version where Hershey replies "That's judge bitch" before headbutting Joan Chen. I would change it for that reason alone.
Anderson DOES end up naked in the script.
It has more focus on the characters and contained action, but that doesn't mean its not going to kick ass. It feels completely true to the spirit of the character and more like a tale from the actual comics. It still has scope, but more in an Escape From New York kind of feel.
by Passenger54
Now that sounds a LOT more promising! Very reassuring that 'mean-spirited humour' is implied, but I agree about the Death tattoo thing - something like that should be left for the final scene, really...
As I've said before, even if the film never gets made, I'm sure that the very least we can expect out of this is that Rebellion publish a nice big book with the script along with all of Jock's concept designs and storyboards!
QuoteWith regards to Judges responding to only 6% of crimes,i read it as that there are only enough Judges to handle 6% because there is that MUCH crime,to much to cope not lazy Judges.
Obviously. My problem with the 6% line isn't that it implies that the judges are
lazy, it's that those statistics seem to show that Justice Department is a lot weaker and smaller in the movie, whereas in the comics Justice Department is a juggernaut with near unlimited resources, a fascist authority that rules Mega-City One with an iron fist.
On reflection, I can see why this revision makes sense in the context of a film - making Mega-City One even more dangerous and extreme, and making the fight against crime even more desperate (judges only just keeping a lid on things) means you don't have to justify the actions of the judges or even explain the judge system to the audience. If things were portrayed exactly as they are in the comics, people who aren't familiar with the Dredd universe would probably think the judges were a load of bullies and end up siding with the criminals.
Well that's certainly yet more interesting stuff and continues to give me confidence that this film is at least starting out well.
Some said that Ma Ma Clang might be a typo and lo it is. Ma Ma Clan makes a lot more sense.
I'd also put my weight behind Carey Mulligan for Anderson. But time will tell.
I'm pleasently optimistic about this whole thing now. Fingers crossed and all that.
could also be typo'd as Ma Ma Gang, which makes even more sense than clan as the Meg is full ogf gangs.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: The Cosh on 20 July, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 July, 2010, 03:36:09 PM
So, now we 'know' that Mrs. Anderson's Little Girl is going to be almost exactly that, who do we favour for the role? Imagine what 15 years in the toughest school on Earth might do to a pretty psychic, or just put on your Pervy Dad hat and head for the casting couch!
And yes, Katee Sackoff is too old.
Carey Mulligan.
(http://topnews.in/light/files/Carey-Mulligan.jpg)
Excellent choice!
And she gets naked in it!!!!
Oh... and I just KNEW Clang had to be a typo.
Sounding better and better from that extra snippet we got about the mean spirited humor etc... and did i read that right that the helmet stays on??
Mulligan seems a likely choice - she plays the lead in Never Let Me Go, the (interesting looking) forthcoming film from the same production team/screenwriter. Only problem is she may be too famous/in demand for this sort of thing.
She's a good actress and is young enough to be convincing as a cadet. They should definitely stay away from the 'blonde bimbo' look for Anderson (as she appears in the comics) - it wouldn't fit right in this gritty vision of Dredd.
Yeah, I think she would be great as a cadet Anderson.
Whether it's the kind of role she wants to have a go at is another thing entirely.
Mulligan dosn't look like the type who has gone through 15 years in the toughest school on earth.
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 12:50:24 PM
Mulligan dosn't look like the type who has gone through 15 years in the toughest school on earth.
Just like Anderson!
Initially I shared some of the concerns of others here but I'm really looking forward to this. I was hoping they'd use Anderson so giving her a lead role and possibly setting up J. Death is the icing on the cake.
Dredd's gonna take out a whole block!!
The only concern I have now is the prisoner they're tagging along. I hope he isn't "funny". Knowwhatamsayin?
+1 for nekid Cassy.
QuoteThe only concern I have now is the prisoner they're tagging along.
Don't think there's been any mention of a prisoner tagging along so far...
Quote from: Ratty on 21 July, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
I'm wondering if it was this guy.
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?4813-Michael-Bay-should-direct-a-new-Judge-Dredd-film (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?4813-Michael-Bay-should-direct-a-new-Judge-Dredd-film)
Scroll down to see a sample of his script.
I see Nelson still needs an arse kicking. And this was before he suffered permanent brain damage after viewing ROTF eleventeen times so he has no excuse for supporting Michael Bay.
Quote from: radiator on 21 July, 2010, 04:39:01 PM
QuoteThe only concern I have now is the prisoner they're tagging along.
Don't think there's been any mention of a prisoner tagging along so far...
Did I take it out of context? I'm slightly hungover.
Dredd and Anderson have to survive, holding onto their prisoner and try and escape the block.http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/07/details-alex-garlands-judge-dredd.html
Quote from: SAJse on 21 July, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
Initially I shared some of the concerns of others here but I'm really looking forward to this. I was hoping they'd use Anderson so giving her a lead role and possibly setting up J. Death is the icing on the cake.
Dredd's gonna take out a whole block!!
The only concern I have now is the prisoner they're tagging along. I hope he isn't "funny". Knowwhatamsayin?
+1 for nekid Cassy.
Think Midnight Run. Grumpy cop (well, bounty hunter)... smart ass criminal. All good.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) link=topic=28503.msg529207#msg529207
Think Midnight Run. Grumpy cop (well, bounty hunter)... smart ass criminal. All good.
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Rob Schneider could play that character
I've just read the plot preview... and I'm very glad I've not been getting excited about this film. If I'm honest, there's nothing much there to justify any reaction, positive or negative, but assuming the basic set-up of the story is described correctly then I'm entirely underwhelmed.
Regards
Robin
is there a scheduled release date yet? on one of my health promotion boards at work i'm planning one regarding "the law and you" with dredd being the ultimate in law as we know. which will cover everything for our students to know wether theyre allowed to or not and was going to use dredd as a centrepiece which will a) allow me to indirectly promote the comic film and everything else to a young potential audience in our school .
b) allow me to do a really big dredd for all to see!!!
Could be instructive to dig out "Escape from Kurt Russell Blcok"....
I remember that being a similar set up and being a good tale. Somewhere in the 900s possibly with Paul Marshall art?
Thats one other thign that seems a bit wrong - the "Peach Tree Block". Whats that about. I recall teh Stallone also avoided the satirical naming - hope they dont shy away from that here as well
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 21 July, 2010, 06:13:58 PM
Thats one other thign that seems a bit wrong - the "Peach Tree Block". Whats that about.
I've already looked into that, and this is the best fit: Peach Tree War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peach_Tree_War)
The Susquehannock's dominant political and military position among the Native American Nations of the area allowed it to assemble an army of warriors from multiple allied and neighboring tribes. An army of six hundred warriors landed in New Amsterdam itself, wreaking havoc through the narrow streets of the town which was mostly undefended as the bulk of the garrison was in New Sweden.
Yeah, IIRC the 'Peach Tree War' of the 17th C (attacks on New Amsterdam/Manhattan) was in retaliation for the execution of a native american woman who stole a peach from a settler's fruit trees. As always it was probably a lot more complicated than that, but the key parallels are: heavy-handed summary 'justice' incites an alliance of tribes to take action against the settlers. In New York City by another name. Works for me.
EDIT: Oh, there's a Wiki link in Leigh's post there, that more than covers it.
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 July, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
EDIT: Oh, there's a Wiki link in Leigh's post there, that more than covers it.
Craves post - im just the thickie who inspired it!
Even so, I like a good celeb block and that seems a little to blunt (if you get the reference that is!)
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 21 July, 2010, 06:13:58 PM
I recall teh Stallone also avoided the satirical naming - hope they dont shy away from that here as well
I seem to remember the block at the start being named Abbot & Costello.
Quote from: Robin Low on 21 July, 2010, 05:37:04 PM
I've just read the plot preview... and I'm very glad I've not been getting excited about this film. If I'm honest, there's nothing much there to justify any reaction, positive or negative, but assuming the basic set-up of the story is described correctly then I'm entirely underwhelmed.
Regards
Robin
The city block idea is good but I hope it can sustain a whole Dredd film without me itching to get outside and explore the city at some stage. There is a pattern it seems with Dredd films that filmmakers try to avoid the city on a large scale either because of expense or story reasons, like taking Dredd out of his uniform and landing him in the Cursed Earth for most of the Stallone effort but the city block is a superior compromise.
As I said previously my biggest concern is the immediate introduction of Anderson, that will mean that Judge Death may take up the rest of the storylines for future Dredd films. Most of these franchises only last about one or two sequels for less well known characters like Dredd before the market moves on to something else; I just think there are better Dredd tales to exploit than Death.
If I were to choose a good Dredd tale without going into the heavier politically weighted stuff like America or Democracy storylines I'd go for something like Mandroid which has such a great personal story or even Sin City (Satan's Island).
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 07:08:56 PM
The city block idea is good but I hope it can sustain a whole Dredd film without me itching to get outside and explore the city at some stage.
I've never been one of those people who think that the city is the real character of the series, but I do think it's an essential part of who Dredd is. Sure, he can go into the Cursed Earth, marshal Luna-1, on quests for the Judge Child, or a Tour of Duty, but he always comes home again. To sell Judge Dredd to an audience, you have to give them his city as part of the deal.
Now, one can argue that city-blocks are small cities in their own rights, but I actually think a city block is too claustrophobic. We need to see the panoramic views and the road systems sweeping
around the city-blocks in order to understand just what it is that Dredd and the Judges are faced with controlling.
In a city-block, no doubt we'll get to see many of the usual suspects that define the city, but I think this is going to be a road movie without the beauty of the desert.
QuoteAs I said previously my biggest concern is the immediate introduction of Anderson, that will mean that Judge Death may take up the rest of the storylines for future Dredd films.
I could live with that, but I'd like to have seen more of a procedural for the first story. That would have opened up more opportunities to show how the Judges and their system work.
Regards
Robin
More info from an anonymous someone who has read the script, taken from the comments at The Playlist (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/07/details-alex-garlands-judge-dredd.html)
It's an awesome script for setting up the world and also being true to what the fans would expect in the comics, as well as being a great introduction for those unfamiliar with the work. The slo-mo stuff is inventive and cool. It is certainly a 'hard R' judging (no pun intended) by the script (exploding heads, creative gunfights galore, etc) and the third act is great and exactly as it should be; hint: Dredd's worst fear is introduced to him...
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
Too pretty for my liking.
Quote from: Robin Low on 21 July, 2010, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 07:08:56 PM
The city block idea is good but I hope it can sustain a whole Dredd film without me itching to get outside and explore the city at some stage.
Now, one can argue that city-blocks are small cities in their own rights, but I actually think a city block is too claustrophobic. We need to see the panoramic views and the road systems sweeping around the city-blocks in order to understand just what it is that Dredd and the Judges are faced with controlling.
In a city-block, no doubt we'll get to see many of the usual suspects that define the city, but I think this is going to be a road movie without the beauty of the desert.
I'd have preferred something like "the Pit" since it would have enough scope out in the city while also ending up like "Assault on Precinct 13" (another Carpenter reference) but also showing what Judges do in full inside and outside of the Justice system.
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
Not a bad choice. His chin is perhaps not as impressive like gruff
Ron Pearlmans but a younger
Dredd is probably what a franchise is aiming for.
He can certainly act ok
StarTrek, LoTR etc.
Doom 3 but who could save that movie?
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
He'd do, I reckon. Nothing about him screams "NOT Dredd!" to me, and he even has canonical lips, if you're in a Mike McMahon Mood.
Yeah, Urban could be good.
And let's face it, unless they choose an unknown with a ludicrous prosthetic chin, he's never going to look exactly right.
Cue boarders posting pictures of Jimmy Hill/ Brucie/ etc en masse. At least it's not Perlman!
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2010, 10:04:38 PM
And let's face it, unless they choose an unknown with a ludicrous prosthetic chin, he's never going to look exactly right.
I think all we need is someone with a bit of hardness to their face and a hard chin and there's plenty of decent actors out there with that look who don't get cast enough cos they're not pretty. Ron Perlman was always a joke and is more suitable for grotesques, I doubt you could get a helmet to fit him.
I always thought either Gerald Butler, Woody Harrelson or Josh Brolin could pull off Dredd but I'm certainly not dissapointed that they've offered the part to Karl Urban.
Of course he might not like the script/character/production or be offered something more lucrative instead so it's still not a done deal.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 July, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
I always thought either Gerald Butler, Woody Harrelson or Josh Brolin could pull off Dredd
It's 10.30 at night, I've had a long day at work, and that is very funny indeed.
:)
SBT
You can go to bed happy now! :D
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:11:29 PM
Ron Perlman was always a joke and is more suitable for grotesques, I doubt you could get a helmet to fit him.
What utter rot!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
I am lost for words :o
Literally and that doesnt happen very often.I am utterly dismayed.
Who the fuck is he ??
He looks like the uglier and beaten up older brother of Leonardo De Caprio.
Someone is having a laugh and i never expected the actor to have a direct likeness but THAT is not JD.
I need to have a drink after that.
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 July, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
I always thought either Gerald Butler, Woody Harrelson or Josh Brolin could pull off Dredd
It's 10.30 at night, I've had a long day at work, and that is very funny indeed.
:)
SBT
What exactly is funny about the idea of Josh Brolin playing JD ?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 21 July, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:11:29 PM
Ron Perlman was always a joke and is more suitable for grotesques, I doubt you could get a helmet to fit him.
What utter rot!
but true of course, from Beauty and the Beast to Hellboy and not much in between.
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
I could definitely live with that.
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 21 July, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:11:29 PM
Ron Perlman was always a joke and is more suitable for grotesques, I doubt you could get a helmet to fit him.
What utter rot!
but true of course, from Beauty and the Beast to Hellboy and not much in between.
A)His gravelly voice has touched us all as the narrator of the Fallout series of games . "War. War never changes." will be quoted to doomsday.
B)Watch Sons of Anarchy. Perlman ownzone.
That being said, I wouldn't really want Perlman as Dredd.
At any rate, Karl Urban was phenomenal as Bones McCoy in Star Trek. I think he's got the chops. People shouldn't judge an actor on his pouty lipped glamor shot. That's why they are actors.
Urban is a good pick.
Lets not forget, Karl Urban has been a Tough Guy with a Gun (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010916/) before.
And holy crap, he was Eomer (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000144/)?!
He was my favorite actor in the Star Trek movie. I think he's a solid choice here.
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/badge-urban.jpg)
Made with Mike Carroll's Badger (http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/judgebadge.htm).
QuoteWhat exactly is funny about the idea of Josh Brolin playing JD ?
Think you may have missed the double entendre in IAMTS's post. I spotted it immediately for two probable reasons: a) I've just been reading Viz and b) Anderson gets naked in the film and my mind's gone a bit Freudian.
Worth remembering BC is still a gossip site so some rumours may be wrong...
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 21 July, 2010, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
I am lost for words :o
Literally and that doesnt happen very often.I am utterly dismayed.
Who the fuck is he ??
He looks like the uglier and beaten up older brother of Leonardo De Caprio.
Someone is having a laugh and i never expected the actor to have a direct likeness but THAT is not JD.
I need to have a drink after that.
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 July, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
I always thought either Gerald Butler, Woody Harrelson or Josh Brolin could pull off Dredd
It's 10.30 at night, I've had a long day at work, and that is very funny indeed.
:)
SBT
What exactly is funny about the idea of Josh Brolin playing JD ?
Who is Karl Urban you ask!!
Have you not been to the cinema in the past 6 years???
Hes a great actor and I have no problem with that choice at all..
But, the next trek movie is shooting soon and it could clash with dredd filming.
Shooting Trek early next year.. if Dredd goes before the lens autm this year they could squeeze it in.
Good choice, Urban can do a very good cranky git as we seen in his Bones.
We had better get another one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpb13mDBP1I
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 22 July, 2010, 01:27:10 AM
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Quote from: pauljholden on 21 July, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Karl Urban? I liked him a LOT in Star Trek - does he have the chops for Dredd? (and by chops, I mean, of course, chin)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/21/scoop-karl-urban-to-be-cast-as-judge-dredd/
I am lost for words :o
Literally and that doesnt happen very often.I am utterly dismayed.
Who the fuck is he ??
He looks like the uglier and beaten up older brother of Leonardo De Caprio.
Someone is having a laugh and i never expected the actor to have a direct likeness but THAT is not JD.
I need to have a drink after that.
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2010, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 July, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
I always thought either Gerald Butler, Woody Harrelson or Josh Brolin could pull off Dredd
It's 10.30 at night, I've had a long day at work, and that is very funny indeed.
:)
SBT
What exactly is funny about the idea of Josh Brolin playing JD ?
Who is Karl Urban you ask!!
Have you not been to the cinema in the past 6 years???
Hes a great actor and I have no problem with that choice at all..
I dont go to the cinema very much and i dont keep up to date with entertainment or anything like that as there are only so many hours in the day and my attention is on other things.
It also seems like i am in the minority by not being very happy with Karl Urban but thats my perogative and i am not easily pleased at the best of times.
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 21 July, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 21 July, 2010, 10:11:29 PM
Ron Perlman was always a joke and is more suitable for grotesques, I doubt you could get a helmet to fit him.
What utter rot!
but true of course, from Beauty and the Beast to Hellboy and not much in between.
The joys of being typecast.
Karl Urban is a great choice - a very versatile (if hammy) actor, and of indeterminate screen age. He was the best thing about Star Trek XI (aside from Zoe Saldana's pants). Plus the wife stalks him is a big fan, so I've some chance of seeing this in the cinema... Thrilled!
Another snippet on script content from Live For Films (http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/07/21/drokk-judge-dredd-could-be-karl-urban/)
Basically a day in the life of Dredd as he takes rookie Anderson to investigate a murder in a mega block that turns into a suspenseful cat and mouse chase between the two Judges and the bad guys of the block. All you want from a Dredd film is there – huge city, fat wheeled bike, Lawgiver, Judge Death tattoos are mentioned and most importantly of all Dredd's full face is never seen – just his chin. It has some brilliant fight scenes and could be great on the big screen.
Another mention here of the Death tattoo, which sticks out as a chronology buckler. How can a citizen sport a tattoo of Judge Death if Anderson hasn't faced him yet? It probably won't make it to the screen, but I hope there aren't other nods and winks to the fans which are going to end up as irritating.
Karl Urban
(http://www.ageofthering.com/atthemovies/cast/eomer.jpg)
QuoteAnother mention here of the Death tattoo, which sticks out as a chronology buckler. How can a citizen sport a tattoo of Judge Death if Anderson hasn't faced him yet? It probably won't make it to the screen, but I hope there aren't other nods and winks to the fans which are going to end up as irritating.
Could be setting up the Death angle a bit different to the comic, remember in the Game there were Death Cultists who worshipped his boneyness so maybe its a similar set up except the cultists know Death already exists in another dimension and need to bring him across but no one else does. The new Rookie with unkown abilities has horrible visions involving a bony death dealing super judge (and a way to beat it) and thats why they're determined to get Anderson through her training even though she doesn't have the aptitude.
Of course I'm guessing, geez this is fun, I haven't followed a movie this closely for a long time I just hope i dont ruin it for meself.
Karl Urban's a good choice, just known enough to get a few bums in the seats but not so well known it'd be odd for him to have a helmet on for the duration of the movie. And of course if this is successful he'll be aother actor from across the pond we'll claim as our own (Like Russell Crowe, he's a friggen Kiwi not and Aussie but not according to our meadia).
CU Radbacker
Wouldn't worry too much about the Death tattoo - if it is going to be an anomaly in a possible sequel it's a very small one.
Personally I think hard-arsedness, mental citizens, politics and satire would work much better in a film like this than supernatural superfiends.
Karl Urban, eh? Gets the thumbs up from me! I like him a lot.
I can see the Death tattoo hinted at in this movie as being like the playing card at the end of Batman Begins that teases the Joker's appearence in the sequel - Death may already exist in the movie universe.
In any case, Death's origin story will probably be rewritten for the movies (make him a rogue PSI judge or something) so I'm sure they have it all planned out.
And here he is in the redesigned SJS helmet.
(http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/ridd_012KarlUrban.jpg)
Most importantly he'll be contracted to keep the helmet on. Yay.
A better Urban in big ol' helmet photo. Yes, I know it's from Chronicles of Riddick, but it gives some idea. be grateful I'm not posting any of his oiled-up Cupid pics from Xena, as the wife (honest) has an extensive collection.
(http://www.propstore.com/img/products/763/cor-vaakorevealhelmet-dvd1.jpg)
Quote from: radiator on 22 July, 2010, 09:05:26 AM
I can see the Death tattoo hinted at in this movie as being like the playing card at the end of Batman Begins that teases the Joker's appearence in the sequel - Death may already exist in the movie universe.
Yeah, this was exactly what I was gonna say.
End the movie with Dredd taking down some bad guy with the tattoo who laughs maniacally and says "DEATH IS COMING FOR YOU ALL!"
I'm happy with Mr Urban if this does turn out to be true. Good actor and can do the grim action hero well even in dumb but fun fluff like the Doom movie.
Also glad that they seem to be taking the Batman Begins model a bit and saying "Lets make the first movie about DREDD... no big colourful villains to detract from him. We can save those for sequels."
I like that the reaction has been the complete opposite to the usual 'FUCK NO!' that fanboys are supposed to have to news like this!
I get annoyed when I say people say this site is constantly negative, and this is a nice illustration of how it is not.
Urban is a good choice for Dredd (the guy can act and keeps within the limited budget). All looks promising storywise and hints at a Judge Death appearance later can only mean a good return £$ on the initial effort.
I thought he was great in the Trek reboot, and fine in LOTR... I don't think I've seen him in anything else to make much of a judgement about him.
I'm sure Steve will be along in a minute to photoshop the helmet on...
Indeed, and I'd like state that my concern for fanboy pandering (which'd likely have the opposite effect on Dreddheads as we're a strange bunch), was brought on by the memory of Tim Hunter's shoddy Dredd script from the '80s which had a mangled Judge Death and lots of odd cameos. I'm sure Garland's script is considerably greater than the tidbits we've been hearing from non-fans.
radiator's rogue PSI Judge is a terrific idea.
I read (somewhere!!) last night that the plan was for three films, but I suppose that's just a contract thing in case it does well.
Meant to do this last night:
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:D
Quote from: Steve Green on 22 July, 2010, 11:24:02 AM
I thought he was great in the Trek reboot, and fine in LOTR... I don't think I've seen him in anything else to make much of a judgement about him.
I'm sure Steve will be along in a minute to photoshop the helmet on...
I'm on it!
Just looking for a suitable picture. :D
He looks good to me. I'm not bothered for a big chin. He does intensity well, but he does seem to portray a lot of emotion with his eyes? Seems like a proper actor, so hopefully he'll relish the challenge.
Optimistic.
Here's my quick bit of photoshoppery
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/welshbluemeanie/karldoom.jpg)
Wrong shoulder(!)
Just to get people thinking-
I'm surprised no one has thought a little more about why they would go all the way out to J'Burg, if the bulk of the script is said to be in a block, and could easily be shot in a backlot in the UK, or US...?
Even with Tax breaks, there must be other motives for using J'burg...?
Cheap crew? I know the unions in the US make it expensive even if its not location shooting.
If this pans out, I think he'll make a superb Dredd. I'm actually a pretty big fan of him - LOTR, Star Trek, Bourne, even Doom and Pathfinder are all on my DVD shelf.
John Wagner appears to have confirmed that there is some truth to the rumour (via facebook):
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The trouble in choosing the actor was finding one whose ego wasn't too overblown to play the part without showing his face. Big marks to Karl Urban just for that. He is, apparently, an old time 2000AD reader - proof right there that the guy's got class.
How about 28 Weeks Later's Imogen Poots for cadet Anderson?
(http://moviegrrlreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/imogen-poots.jpg)
Urban was absolutely tremendous as McCoy in Star Trek. Really exciting news if this comes off!
M@
Quote from: radiator on 22 July, 2010, 12:56:48 PM
How about 28 Weeks Later's Imogen Poots for cadet Anderson?
Aye, she'd be grand.
Sorry for the delay.
I couldn't find a suitable picture of the chap, where he didn't have either beard or a smile.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4818235138_ea159bfbe4_b.jpg)
Imogen looks good to me. Very, very good indeed.
EDIT: Nice work, Minty!
it was in total film;
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/karl-urban-judge-dredd-rumours (http://www.totalfilm.com/news/karl-urban-judge-dredd-rumours)
oh fuck off to user comments in it!
well good choice, never thought of that... but best feature of Urban is his eyes! how ironic!
I would rather have Thomas Jane as i had just got used to the idea,Urban is a good B movie star though just to boyish IMO and not mean/stern enough without sounding gravely/hammy ala Christian Bales Bats. Could be worse,could be Tom Cruise or some other Hollywierd ponce.
Thanks Minty for the superb photoshop of Urban as JD.
More news on 'Minty' the movie on Facebook please!!
Quote from: radiator on 22 July, 2010, 12:56:48 PM
How about 28 Weeks Later's Imogen Poots for cadet Anderson?
(http://moviegrrlreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/imogen-poots.jpg)
My Anderson crush just got a plus ten. Hubba!
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 July, 2010, 03:41:39 PM
I would rather have Thomas Jane as i had just got used to the idea,Urban is a good B movie star though just to boyish IMO and not mean/stern enough without sounding gravely/hammy ala Christian Bales Bats. Could be worse,could be Tom Cruise or some other Hollywierd ponce.
Urban is a good 'B' movie star??? What? 'B' movies like Star Trek and The Lord of the Rings?
Of course Thomas Jane has starred in blockbusters such as The Punsiher and Deep Blue Sea and errr... ahhh... cant think of anything else.
Urban is a great choice... IF he agrees to do it.
Pathfinder,Doom.Films he has headlined.I would class them as b movies.You think he earns as much as an A list star like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise? Nothing wrong with b movies.
Wagner seems to be talking as though its already a done deal, though obviously I could just be reading too much into it.
Mmmm, Poots could definitely work.
(http://cdn2.maxim.com/maxim/files/2010/05/21/imogen-poots/tg-imogen-poots_l1.jpg)
Just to clear up^ i wasn't asking for an A list actor,just stating that Urban is a good B movie actor,not my choice but im not criticising his skills.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 July, 2010, 04:05:40 PM
Pathfinder,Doom.Films he has headlined.I would class them as b movies.You think he earns as much as an A list star like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise? Nothing wrong with b movies.
Urban was really good in Out of the Blue (2006 New Zealand film)
well here the trailer, but not much of him there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35M3jSusb-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35M3jSusb-w)
Good choice for Dredd. He can do the arid wit and handle the action fine. Could have been so much worse.
Poots for Anderson! Provided she can pull off the accent, this is casting perfection.
Quotethis is casting perfection
To clarify, please note that
this was only a suggestion/speculation/imaginary casting on my part. She was in
28 Weeks Later by the same production team and it struck me that she would be a good choice for the role.
I don't want to start rumours!
Its all over the net now! and your to blame! ;)
I realise it's only speculation, I was just excited. Maybe I should have said it would be casting perfection.
Could do a lot worse than Urban. Liked him in Doom and he held up well in Chronicles Of Riddick.
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When does the next Star Trek film's shooting schedule begin?
If it clashes with the Dredd shoot then I suspect Karl Urban's agent would probably advise him to stick with the Trek rather than risk a new unfamiliar project even if he was the star.
Bit of a party pooper but it's gonna be tough shuttling between South Africa and L.A even for Dr McCoy or Judge Dredd.
January
http://www.nerdles.com/2010/07/21/star-trek-2-to-boldly-go-into-production-in-january/
Arrr!well, back to the drawing board, . . . there is still Jane vs. Stratham for the role.
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 July, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Arrr!well, back to the drawing board, . . . there is still Jane vs. Stratham for the role.
I would be a LOT happier with either of those two choices.
If anyone likes Thomas Jane than watch Give Em Hell Malone because its bloody excellent particularly the opening scene where he clears a building singlehandedly with just a pistol which Thomas Jane carries off perfectly..Its easy to imagine a similar scene in a JD film.
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 July, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Arrr!well, back to the drawing board, . . . there is still Jane vs. Stratham for the role.
Not really -- principle photography can be wrapped up in as little as six weeks on some projects. If "autumn" for the start of Dredd shooting means "September" then Urban would be able to do both.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 July, 2010, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 July, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Arrr!well, back to the drawing board, . . . there is still Jane vs. Stratham for the role.
Not really -- principle photography can be wrapped up in as little as six weeks on some projects. If "autumn" for the start of Dredd shooting means "September" then Urban would be able to do both.
Cheers!
Jim
Was just gonna say just that.. If filming starts when first announced (autumn wasn't it?) He'll be well done by the end of the year, in fact it would be a good thing to keep him busy until Star Trek starts filming and will also keep him in the public eye with Dredd released end of next year (is that right?) and Trek released 6 months or so later.
I'd really like to see this happen and will be very disapointed if Urban can't or won't do it.
I've gone from not giving the movie a chance to being very excited about it now!
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 22 July, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Of course Thomas Jane has starred in blockbusters such as The Punsiher and Deep Blue Sea and errr... ahhh... cant think of anything else.
Jane was in Boogie Nights and proved he could act.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 July, 2010, 06:33:11 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 July, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Arrr!well, back to the drawing board, . . . there is still Jane vs. Stratham for the role.
Not really -- principle photography can be wrapped up in as little as six weeks on some projects. If "autumn" for the start of Dredd shooting means "September" then Urban would be able to do both.
I doubt that production will begin in the Autumn, I think it was a tentatively announced lose period to gain more interest that they threw out, unless it's a rush job and soon all sets are built, all props, uniforms designed and crafted and all rehearsals/schedules done by then for say a one or two month shoot or Rebellion are just not telling us that some of this is all ready somewhat done. They've only secured investment and acquired a director, it's a long way before the cameras roll. Why rush it, we've waited long enough to rectify.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 22 July, 2010, 07:22:24 PM
Was just gonna say just that.. If filming starts when first announced (autumn wasn't it?) He'll be well done by the end of the year, in fact it would be a good thing to keep him busy until Star Trek starts filming and will also keep him in the public eye with Dredd released end of next year (is that right?) and Trek released 6 months or so later.
Doesn't really work like that, Star Trek (June 29, 2012 release date) could come out long before Dredd since it has a bigger budget, a cast and crew mostly set, a tried and tested method and a director who's done it before. Smaller films like Dredd can take a lot longer while it finds it feet in the marketplace, screenings and distribution etc. I can see Dredd being a Christmas 2012 film.
John Wagner seems to think Urban's got the part.
QuoteJohn Wagner: The trouble in choosing the actor was finding one whose ego wasn't too overblown to play the part without showing his face. Big marks to Karl Urban just for that. He is, apparently, an old time 2000AD reader - proof right there that the guy's got class.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Wagner/22334044612?ref=search&sid=1093241813.3829091810..1 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Wagner/22334044612?ref=search&sid=1093241813.3829091810..1)
I think Urban would do a very good job. He's a smart actor.
The fact that Bones McCoy felt like Bones McCoy without being a straight-up impression of DeForest Kelley is a pretty impressive feat - getting the essence of a character that an audience knows frighteningly well while still making it your own... that's a pretty good model for playing Dredd.
For Dredd's humour to come through without it being sneeringly smug or action-hero eggy requires decent brains.
He's got them brains, I reckon.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 July, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
John Wagner seems to think Urban's got the part.
QuoteJohn Wagner: The trouble in choosing the actor was finding one whose ego wasn't too overblown to play the part without showing his face. Big marks to Karl Urban just for that. He is, apparently, an old time 2000AD reader - proof right there that the guy's got class.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Wagner/22334044612?ref=search&sid=1093241813.3829091810..1 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/John-Wagner/22334044612?ref=search&sid=1093241813.3829091810..1)
So is that confirmed ?
Thank you garageman
The hype is certainly spreading, and not too many negatives if at all for Karl Heinz Urban (38 year old actor from New Zealand).
Or is this another "urban" legend you think ?
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3531/karlurbanjudgedredd.jpg)
Good choice-not one I'd contemplated but he was excellent in the Star Trek re-boot!
Excitement levels to the max!
Via Bleeding Cool:
QuoteJust yesterday it was rumored that Karl Urban was offered to play Judge Dredd and I can confirm that that's true.
When I confronted Urban at the end of Red press conference and asked him about this, he didn't seem surprised at all. First he gave a big laugh as he was expecting the question, but then, surprisingly, he actually talked a bit about it.
First, Urban stated it's true that he had been offered the role,
Quote"[Laughs] Good question. Yeah, I can't say too much about it, but I have been offered the role and we've been having discussions. We're working on it."
Quickly after that, I asked if Urban saw some of the excellent concept art they've been working on, "Yeah, it's phenomenal. I've been reading Dredd in one form or another for twenty-five years."
Lastly, when I asked about what comics they're drawing from he couldn't say specifically, but what he did end on telling me was, "I am the law."
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/exclusive-karl-urban-offered-and-wants-to-be-the-law-for-judge-dredd.php
OK,Slept on it after watching Doom last night and im getting usrd to him,jaw could be squarer but it could also be worse,any way update from Urban himself below(scroll down to end of article)
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=18394&count=0
VIDEO of Karl Urban on Dredd (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/07/22/karl-urban-judge-dredd-rumor/)
The actor...told MTV News:
"Yeah, that's correct, that's a big rumor going on. I can't say too much at this point but it's lookin' good."
Urban said he's been a fan of Dredd since he was a teenager, and "started reading Dredd 25 years ago."
"[He is a] phenomenal iconic comic book character, so it's a world I know and it would be a privilege and a pleasure to be able to bring that to life."
I think he should play Karl Heinz-Pilchards-in-Tomato-Sauce-Clayderman instead.
Tordelback is our Nostrodamos.
He's good at filthy crosswords too.
JayzusB thats a big ask and im not so sure he has the versality nor range :p
Quote from: CraveNoir on 23 July, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
Tordelback is our Nostrodamos.
I nooo you'd say that.
Just thought I'd chip in to give Karl Urban the coveted GhostPockets seal of approval...
(http://www.ctap4.org/video/images/MaleElephantSeal3.jpg)
(looks a bit like Rondo Hatton)
Although I would also add that his name makes him sound like a cut price R&B singer (Mr Urban I mean not the seal, whose name is Serj).
Karl Urban talks about Dredd a little more...
Collider.com (http://www.collider.com/2010/07/23/karl-urban-interview-judge-dredd-star-trek-2-red-comic-con-shoots-next-summer-confirms-dredd/)
Regarding the helmet issue, Urban says:
"...hypothetically if I went to a movie that was called "Judge Dredd" and the character or the actor who played Judge Dredd took the helmet and I would see his full face and features I would puke in my popcorn because that's not Dredd."
QuoteI would see his full face and features I would puke in my popcorn because that's not Dredd.
And with that, I have fallen in love.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 July, 2010, 10:34:19 AM
And with that, I have fallen in love.
Yeah, me too! But I saw him first.
I'm now of the mind that if Dredd is played by anyone
other than Karl Urban, I will be rather annoyed!
Yep - great little interview, really encouraging. I've always liked Urban, but that interview gave me a whole new level of respect for him - what a guy!
Crossing all my digits that this will happen.
Quote
You know what? This Dredd is not going to be wrapped up in ego. This Dredd is going to be faithful. The cool thing about Dredd to me was that with Dredd you always know where he stands. His attitudes are strong. What he does is strong.
QuoteI'm now of the mind that if Dredd is played by anyone other than Karl Urban, I will be rather annoyed!
Ha! I know exactly wehat you mean- he
is Dredd now...
Quotegreat little interview, really encouraging
Indeed, I was most pleased that he does seem to genuinely know and understand the character. And the 'Mr Wagner' was a nice touch, too!
He's definitely making all the right noises.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4820192125_58a0051ff6.jpg)
Also, Karl Urban was pretty good at being tough in the Bourne Supremacy too. I'm pretty pleased with this news and hope it all works out.
A definite man crush going on here too(!)
M@
The circumstances around this film could not be more different from the 1995 debacle - there seems to be a genuine desire to do things right this time.
Yeah, from DNA to the (hopefully) lead, definitely seems to be going in the right direction.
It bodes well that if Karl is in the role someone who it appears is empathic to the characters portrayal can lead to only positive things Its also apparent that that the production team writers and creators are joint in their decision making and delivery of this film and not to held to ransom over megastar wants a big plus again
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 23 July, 2010, 08:22:35 AM
JayzusB thats a big ask and im not so sure he has the versality nor range :p
Want to bet? http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,29214.30.html (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,29214.30.html)
He also said the plan is to shoot in South Africa in late October or early November
If this is the case he'll be well done before Star Trek starts shooting.
He's talking like it's a done deal.
This is all looking very good indeed.
The impression I'm getting is that it is a done deal, but no one is saying anything absolutely definitive yet as they have an official announcement/press conference planned.
QuoteThe impression I'm getting is that it is a done deal
Yeah- I can't see Urban being so open about it if he hadn't already signed.
if I went to a movie that was called "Judge Dredd" and the character or the actor who played Judge Dredd took the helmet and I would see his full face and features I would puke in my popcorn because that's not Dredd. He's mysterious and enigmatic. We're going to do it right. This Dredd is not going to be wrapped up in ego. This Dredd is going to be faithful.
Oh, I couldn't agree more, Mr Urban. My goodness you're a handsome, statuesque man with nice long limbs. I'll put on a little Clint Mansell while we do your make-up. Just relax while we chunkify your chin a little, and de-bee-sting your bottom lip. Debbie suggested to that nice Mr Travis that you take a bullet to the chin later in the movie 'cos we can just cut out a hole in the prostetics, and it'll look gruesome. No CGI neccessary. There...All done!
QuoteJust relax while we chunkify your chin a little, and de-bee-sting your bottom lip.
Yes, the dream-boat in question is definitely more Ron Smith Dredd than anything else.
Wonder if they will ad prosthetics re the JAW?
I seriously doubt it. The way I see it, it's much more important that he acts like Dredd than that he looks exactly like him.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 23 July, 2010, 03:05:39 PM
I seriously doubt it. The way I see it, it's much more important that he acts like Dredd than that he looks exactly like him.
And Dredd tends to look different depending on the artist anyway. He always has a prominent chin, but it's not always that big lantern jaw. Even compare Ezquerra's depiction of Dredd from the early stuff in Case Files 1 to his more recent pictures.
I've seen pictures that aren't far off from Urban's chin type. (It is actually quite prominent compared to the shape of his face. Just not the big lantern jaw.)
I'll admit to having my doubts when I saw this actor's face, but I agree the acting is the thing. He seems to have the right attitude right now.
Allways took Dredd as having more of a grimace than Jimmy Hill chin,hes just a scowly hard bast@rd to me so im cool with that.Theres a bit near the end of Doom where Urban pull a grimace,less lips more scowl and in that a split second i was sold,if he can pull that face for the film then consider me excited.
I was quite excited to see Bruce Willis sat next to Karl Urban in MTV's Splash Page vid.
Remembering the early pitch about DIE HARD and BLADERUNNER, I've also had my eye on Bruce for a Dredd role. But, just comparing the two actors side by side; of what may be and what could have been, is a real treat.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 July, 2010, 03:44:20 PM
where Urban pull a grimace,less lips more scowl and in that a split second i was sold,if he can pull that face for the film then consider me excited.
Allow me:
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/urban.jpg?t=1279897718)
(Second time I've posted this picture. Ah, well, if it ain't broke...)
Urban is definite Young JD in that picture !!!! Next up lights, camera, .... action! in Jo-burg' (the sooner the better too).
Have another one for good measure.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/urban2.jpg?t=1279901943)
Yup,ok i'm in.Bit doubtfull at first but now im fine,could be sooooo much worse.
Anyone know when its coming out?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 July, 2010, 03:44:20 PM
Theres a bit near the end of Doom where Urban pull a grimace,less lips more scowl and in that a split second i was sold,if he can pull that face for the film then consider me excited.
Is this the Doom grimace?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/doomfinale.jpg)
Could well be,if i remember the bit im thinking of was round about when it all went 'first person 'mode near the end,he looks in a mirror and grimicies(word?).
Step forward, Roger Godpleton:
Quote
We had better get another one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpb13mDBP1I
This is getting weird now...
Yes, Karl Urban's chin seems to be growing bigger every picture. Hey, Minty! Stick a helmet on one of those Doom scowls, will you?
Yeah thats it at 1 min in just as he turns away from the mirror.Badass.
tagline? "urban policing of the future!" :-X
Quote from: mogzilla on 23 July, 2010, 07:07:46 PM
tagline? "urban policing of the future!" :-X
Or guaranteed film mag headline.
Judge Dredd: Urban Renewal?
That scowls a Mike McMahon Dredd special!!! Even better than the Ian Brown of the Roses chin/lip combo' I suggested in a previous thread!
Quote from: CraveNoir on 23 July, 2010, 06:05:32 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 July, 2010, 03:44:20 PM
Theres a bit near the end of Doom where Urban pull a grimace,less lips more scowl and in that a split second i was sold,if he can pull that face for the film then consider me excited.
Is this the Doom grimace?
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll2/CraveNoir/doomfinale.jpg)
That's just about spot on.
Someone stick that on the Minty costume please.
But will he be able to act with those constantly flexed chin muscles? Urban could do a Brando and shove cotton wool into his lower lip, . . . less chance of chin cramp then.
Quote from: James on 23 July, 2010, 07:57:20 PM
Someone stick that on the Minty costume please.
Sigh...
I'll do it, then. I am the Photoshop god, enjoy:
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/dred.jpg?t=1279914755)
P.S. sorry, Jock, if DNA / Rebellion see my work, you're out of a job. Nothing personal
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3509/jskarlurban2.jpg)
tweaked it a bit
Quotetweaked it a bit
Nah, I'd still go with my one.
So that's a no to prosthesis then, that gurn is perfect. In fact I haven't been this excited by pictures of a man gurning since Tommy Mattinson.
Looks a bit like an Ezquerra Dredd chin when pulls it.Nice.He looks great stood there i bet now employ some ex special forces badass to teach the Judges how to move with a gun like a real(urban) commando,hand to hand fightings etc.
I can actually hear Commando Forces twitching.
Hopefully, all the judges will fire their lawgivers side-on, 'gangsta style' for added realism...
SBT
ducking and covering, to avoid CF wrath. :)
Judge Giant 'bustin capz'
Hey Judge Gumpy,
Can I post this pic on my FBook page please?
DAN
I dont mind but its Mintys uniform i used from his fb judge minty page
Um.
Dan made the uniform.
:)
Yep, the costume is Teivion's (Dan's) He is the man behind all the props and costumes in Judge Minty.
For reference Steve Green is the guy behind all the CGI and photo direction on Minty as well.
;)
It's probably been discussed before, but the Minty film is probably going to add a few zeroes to its viewing figures if the Dredd film is any good. Bring them both on!
Its all good publicity ill stick a watermarked text in the photo giving kudos to the minty uniform (cracking bit of a kit it is)
Lets hope the Dredd3D people approach Minty for costumes or advise. It's all been worked out to perfection by the Minty guys and would be silly for them not to.
Thanks for the comments guys ;-)
I am sure there will be plenty of comparison between Minty and Dredd3D- which in itself, is a great compliment...
New Zealand's Karl Urban in Judge Dredd sequel
http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14950807
It's a sequel? Oh nooooes!
Quote from: SAJse on 24 July, 2010, 10:27:29 PM
New Zealand's Karl Urban in Judge Dredd sequel
http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14950807
It's a sequel? Oh nooooes!
They can't count either! I'm not that good at maths, but I'm sure the last Dredd movie(released in 1995)is more than 13 years old?
Not karl, but a good likness.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/rattyangel/dredd.jpg)
Quote from: SAJse on 24 July, 2010, 10:27:29 PMIt's a sequel? Oh nooooes!
Yeah the plot is that Dredd and Hershey get kicked out of Justice Dept. for doing naughty sex stuff. Meanwhile, only they can save the city from an army of muties led by the evil reincarnated former President, Robert L. Booth. Naturally they succeed, thus proving that hot Judge sex is okay and doesn't get in the way of heroically saving MC-1 and being a general all-round bad-ass Judge whatsoever. Cue reinstatment to the department as full Judges, and a big wedding with lots of flowers and happy smiling faces. Dredd takes his helmet off for the 173rd time in the movie to kiss the bride and everybody lives happily ever cos' this is only the first of many awesome Judge weddings.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 July, 2010, 02:35:50 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 24 July, 2010, 10:27:29 PMIt's a sequel? Oh nooooes!
Cue reinstatment to the department as full Judges, and a big wedding with lots of flowers and happy smiling faces. Dredd takes his helmet off for the 173rd time in the movie to kiss the bride and everybody lives happily ever cos' this is only the first of many awesome Judge weddings.
You forgot the bit where Fergee is inducted into the Academy of Law, and shows the studious cadets that the true purpose of college is to par-tay.
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 July, 2010, 08:54:50 AMYou forgot the bit where Fergee is inducted into the Academy of Law, and shows the studious cadets that the true purpose of college is to par-tay.
PAAAAAAAAAR-TAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Oh Yeah! :D
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 July, 2010, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 July, 2010, 08:54:50 AMYou forgot the bit where Fergee is inducted into the Academy of Law, and shows the studious cadets that the true purpose of college is to par-tay.
PAAAAAAAAAR-TAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Oh Yeah! :D
ten years in a isocube for you perp.and parrrrty all you like lol
Dug out Escape from Kurt Russell block" (progs 938-939) and i think its a pretty decent template for the kind of film they are planning from the plot synopsis - one area where "krut Russell" seems to win over the new script is the inclusion of 3 warring gangs in the block, rather than one single overlord
There is a reference to rival gangs in one of the script reviews.
hope they dont call it "JUDGE DR3DD"
heh with all the tec no can any one put a dredd helmet on clint
I wish Pixar was making this... with Keith David as the voice of Dredd.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 25 July, 2010, 07:32:43 PM
I wish Pixar was making this... with Keith David as the voice of Dredd.
what about clint eastwood,s voice
Some tiny morsels I picked up over the past couple of days:
The script is VERY violent, and if they keep what's on the page it be rated "R" which'll come as a relief to Commando Forces' wallet.
A South African company dealing with product placement has been given a copy of the script. If Anderson knocks back a Pepsi that'll be why.
A poster on the CHUD forums said:
I've read the most recent draft of the script... assuming it doesn't get neutered before now and filming (and it's being independently produced so there's no reason to think it will) the groundwork is there for a really, really good old fashioned, gritty action flick. I feel like it's a mix between Mad Max and Blade Runner aesthetically, and totally brutal and uncompromised. It's B-movie stuff in the best of ways.
Urban is a solid choice. The Dredd of the script doesn't need charisma, he just needs to act tough and bristle through his teeth.
Die Hard is kind of a lazy comparison and doesn't really capture the edge of the script (the only similarity is that most of it takes place with them trapped in a building). There's some great stuff involving a street drug called "slo-mo" and the female lead's mind reading abilities. It's also very hard-boiled.
I don't know whether Pete Travis has the chops to translate what's on paper to celluloid but the script is badass. Dredd is badass. The movie drops you in and It all takes place on Anderson's first day and her first "police response", and although shit hits the fan right off the bat, to Dredd it's just another day and another call.
There are no sidekicks. The story is simple and straightforward and all takes place in like a 12-24 hr span. I thought it was really refreshing.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 25 July, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
Some tiny morsels I picked up over the past couple of days:
Oh, I am
so up for this.
Cheers!
Jim
Thanks for the new hints at the movie's possible direction CraveNoir. As said it's up to Mr. Travis now to translate it faithfully to the big screen. He should try some of that SLO-MO to help him put teeth in his direction :o.
Okay I know this is slightly digressing but....it's Sunday and I tell you what I don't like Monday's....but maybe just maybe one of the blocks could be called John Holmes......as it's the tallest in Mega 1 and quite big I hear?
Any other puns are quite appreciated as I don't want to look a knob........too late.
Quote from: charleswalter1860 on 25 July, 2010, 08:38:04 PM
...but maybe just maybe one of the blocks could be called John Holmes......as it's the tallest in Mega 1 and quite big I hear?
You're thinking of Tordelback Block.
QuoteThe script is VERY violent, and if they keep what's on the page it be rated "R"
ISTR Jock tweeting while doing script visualisations - something about drawing loads and loads of heads being blown off. It's probably quoted somewhere earlier in this thread.
Tut tut Tordel your such a boaster!! I hope your nose is'nt getting any longer.
Quote from: radiator on 25 July, 2010, 08:42:58 PM
ISTR Jock tweeting while doing script visualisations - something about drawing loads and loads of heads being blown off. It's probably quoted somewhere earlier in this thread.
This was Jock's tweet.
# speaking of destruction, i'm drawing quite a few heads being blown off today. dredd's not happy.9:51 AM Oct 2nd from TweetDeck
The Katie Price Bloc.....Could be a retirement bloc full of old Sailors(seamen)?
The Bruce Forsyth Bloc....A possible residential home for the elderly with bats in the roof....I don't get that?
Quote from: mogzilla on 25 July, 2010, 07:20:25 PM
hope they dont call it "JUDGE DR3DD"
ooh , very clever!
I bet , now you've said that , that's a real possibility! :think:
QuoteThe movie drops you in and It all takes place on Anderson's first day and her first "police response", and although shit hits the fan right off the bat, to Dredd it's just another day and another call.
Exactly as it should be, imo.
I'd do it as JUDG3 DREDD :)
I'll see your Judg3 Dredd, and raise you a JUDG3 DR3DD.
How about some subtlety:
JUDGE DREDD
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 25 July, 2010, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 25 July, 2010, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 July, 2010, 08:54:50 AMYou forgot the bit where Fergee is inducted into the Academy of Law, and shows the studious cadets that the true purpose of college is to par-tay.
PAAAAAAAAAR-TAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Oh Yeah! :D
ten years in a isocube for you perp.and parrrrty all you like lol
Actually what I'm really looking forward to is Dredd 3. Of course, the script is already written and leaked, and it looks like a doozy, folks.
As the movie opens it's clear that Dredd and Hershey's marriage is going through a tough time as they have to juggle full-time Judging with raising their two young kids. The twin boys, Joe and Rico Juniour, get up to no end of mischeif thanks to the influence of "Uncle Fergee".
But that isn't all they have to deal with, as Judge Death (played by Jim Carrey) appears to terrorise MC1. You have to love Jim's take on the classic Judge Death catchphrases... "You cannot kill that which does not live... so lets be
good little judges and
don't even bother
trying, okay?", and "The crime is life, the sentence... do ya wanna know the sentence, do ya? huh? You're gonna love it! iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's... Death!".
Add Judge Anderson into the mix and the tensions escalate even further as Hershey's jealousy is sparked. Will the pretty blonde Psi-Judge turn Joe Dredd's Head?
Great stuff, I'm sure we can all agree.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Karl-Urban-confirms-Judge-Dredd-role/tabid/418/articleID/167422/Default.aspx (http://www.3news.co.nz/Karl-Urban-confirms-Judge-Dredd-role/tabid/418/articleID/167422/Default.aspx)
QuoteThe Wellington-born actor told TV3 movie show Reel Late with Kate that he had officially been given the role, saying: "Yes, it's true, I am the Law". He added that he was "thrilled to bits" about landing the role.
Well thats settled,now start filming and give us a quick photo in costume...now plz.
Well thinks are certainly moving forward at a pace now. Pretty exciting stuff.
Kiwis can view the show here (http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Season-1-Ep-1/tabid/59/articleID/717/MCat/145/Default.aspx).
Now for Anderson and the Chief Judge.
I've always fancied Emily Procter from CSI: Miami.
And also thought she'd be a great Anderson (you see what I did there?)
But if they're going for an Anderson as cadet role (whcih is a clever way of having someone Dredd has to explain stuff to) then she might be too old.
Still, I'll post a pick of her anyway, becasue I'm nice like that.
(http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Emily-Procter-cm02.jpg)
She certainly has the cheeky Bolland Anderson smile down pat
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 July, 2010, 09:35:53 AM
She certainly has the cheeky Bolland Anderson smile down pat
There is that. OTOH, she's only two feet tall and has near-impenetrable Southern accent!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2010, 09:53:32 AM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 July, 2010, 09:35:53 AM
She certainly has the cheeky Bolland Anderson smile down pat
There is that. OTOH, she's only two feet tall and has near-impenetrable Southern accent!
Cheers
Jim
Her accent is magnificent!
And she's great with guns.
There's no reason for Garland to honour continuity, but it'd be a cute touch if Dredd is radioed to deal with Whitey Logan's gang just before (or after!) the end credits.
But the most deeply magnificent fan nod, simply because it'd show such class, would be if her classmate Judge Corey was somewhere there at the beginning with Anderson.
QuoteThere's no reason for Garland to honour continuity
Exactly how I feel. This movie has to appeal to the millions of folks out there- not the twenty or thirty fans who post here!
Can't it be both? ;)
Pumped for this movie, oh yes.
Top choice for Dredd.
She'd make a good Anderson.
I hope they can use the last movie for some pointers of what not to do . . .
Great stuff! Things are moving nicely right enough.
Now, I want the film to be as big a success as possible, and I can see the merits of bringing in Anderson as a rookie to introduce ideas, not least Psi Div, but...the real question to ask is will she have high heeled lady judge boots, like when she first appeared? This is important. They're so cute and add a touch of glamour, don't you think?
M.
Quote from: Mikey on 26 July, 2010, 12:34:36 PM
...the real question to ask is will she have high heeled lady judge boots, like when she first appeared? This is important. They're so cute and add a touch of glamour, don't you think?
Practical, too.
Quote from: radiator on 25 July, 2010, 09:21:50 PM
I'll see your Judg3 Dredd, and raise you a JUDG3 DR3DD.
oh god, what have i started? ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIoNYVDWl4
Check out the trailer for Urban's 2011 film, Priest, before it's taken down.
West wall, big bikes, Cursed Earth.
Hmm. I like the fact they've taken a 'creature' route for the vampires rather than just having pretty people. I think they could have come up with something better than that floppy flabby looking critter though.
Looks rather good though.
What a pile of pants. I hope Dredd 3D has abit more substance and visual style than that!
Quote from: CraveNoir on 26 July, 2010, 01:08:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkIoNYVDWl4
Check out the trailer for Urban's 2011 film, Priest, before it's taken down.
West wall, big bikes, Cursed Earth.
Looking a
touch Carl McCoy there, Mr Urban...
Cheers!
Jim
MASSIVE detailed review of the script at ScriptShadow (http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/2010/07/peach-trees.html)
Here's only a little extract.
When we meet Dredd he's suiting up. We meet his Lawgiver Gun, which seems to be matched to his DNA. The whole time, the top half of his face is hidden by his visor, and we only see chin and mouth, "as if they have been carved from rock."
He chases a car full of Slo-Mo junkies on his motorbike. Slo-Mo is a drug administered via inhaler, and not only does it slow down time for its users, it causes the world to look beautiful, iridescent and bright. When the junkies steamroll some civilians trying to get away from the Judge, they start to die.
Presumably, Dredd has all the authority of police, judge, jury and executioner.
Especially executioner.
While they die, we learn that the Lawgiver is voice-activated and contains many different kinds of ammo. We also learn something about Dredd. He has phenomenal aim, even when he has to place a shot through a civilian, "Remain calm. The bullet missed all major organs, and a paramedic team will be with you shortly."
Does Dredd get a sidekick in this tale?
Rookie Cassandra Anderson is an orphan who was given a Judge aptitude test (as is standard for orphans) at age nine. Although her score was unsuitable, she was entered into the Academy upon special instruction. When we meet her, we learn that her final Academy score is three percentile points below a pass.
As she stands before the Chief Judge, Dredd wonders why she's in uniform. When Anderson is able to point out how many people are in the next room observing her, without seeing them mind you, we realize that she's a psychic, a power she possibly developed as a child because she lived one hundred meters from a radiation boundary wall. While the fall-out proximity made her a mutant, it also killed her parents.
Although she's failed the Academy, the Chief Judge is giving her one more chance. She's to spend a day out in the field with Dredd, and he's to assess whether she makes the grade or not, "Sink or swim. Chuck her in the deep end."
"It's all the deep end."
Dredd informs of her what to expect out there. If she sentences someone incorrectly, she automatically fails. If she doesn't obey a direct order from him, she automatically fails. If she loses her primary weapon, or if it's taken from her, she automatically fails.
I like that a lot. Picking up on [spoiler]Anderson being a mutant [/spoiler]is a nice touch. Crossing all my extremities now.
Quote"It's all the deep end."
That sounds like a classic Dredd quip. Movie gonna own.
Oh, and SLO-MO doesn't make anyone super fast. It does just slow down their perception.
Shame. I was hoping for a hoarde of super fast attackers.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 27 July, 2010, 08:13:07 AM
Oh, and SLO-MO doesn't make anyone super fast. It does just slow down their perception.
It would however give them (the appearance of) super-fast reactions.
Gotta love the old shooting through the hostage routine, though why tinker with the induction age i wonder (less she was a late induction due to her powers)? Agree the deep end lines a god un.
Out of interest how spoilery is that script review? I know the final product could be different anyhow but I'm starting to think it might be time for me to avoid as many spoilers as possible (aside from cast photos etc)... I'm not very good at doing that but might try with this now I trust its got a good foundation.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 27 July, 2010, 08:56:52 AM
Out of interest how spoilery is that script review?
Thankfully it doesn't really reveal anything beyond the first act, about the first half hour or so.
Ohhh that all sounds good to me!
I'm actually getting excited about this now...
And BTW- thank you to CraveNoir for finding this stuff!
Thought this might be of interest:
QuoteThe remake of the 1987 sci-fi RoboCop has been cancelled.
The Wrestler director Darren Aronofsky was due to make the film.
The project was put on hold earlier this year due to financial problems at studio MGM.
According to Moviehole, the movie has now been scrapped altogether.
An insider told the website: "[RoboCop is] gone. Kaput. Cancelled. It was one of the first casualties. [Aronofsky] has lost interest anyway, I believe. think we're all just going to have to be happy with the three RoboCop movies that are out there."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a250984/darren-aronofskys-robocop-cancelled.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a250984/darren-aronofskys-robocop-cancelled.html)
I was a bit concerned that Aronofsky's Robocop might steal a little of Dredd's thunder as was the situation back in the nineties, especially as they were both 3d movies about gritty future law enforcers, and both due out in 2012.
The Dredd script sounds ace - I feel 2000% more positive about this whole project than I did a week ago.
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 09:32:16 AM
Thought this might be of interest:
QuoteThe remake of the 1987 sci-fi RoboCop has been cancelled.
The Wrestler director Darren Aronofsky was due to make the film.
The project was put on hold earlier this year due to financial problems at studio MGM.
According to Moviehole, the movie has now been scrapped altogether.
An insider told the website: "[RoboCop is] gone. Kaput. Cancelled. It was one of the first casualties. [Aronofsky] has lost interest anyway, I believe. think we're all just going to have to be happy with the three RoboCop movies that are out there."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a250984/darren-aronofskys-robocop-cancelled.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a250984/darren-aronofskys-robocop-cancelled.html)
I was a bit concerned that Aronofsky's Robocop might steal a little of Dredd's thunder as was the situation back in the nineties, especially as they were both 3d movies about gritty future law enforcers, and both due out in 2012.
The Dredd script sounds ace - I feel 2000% more positive about this whole project than I did a week ago.
At least the new Dredd has an easier task of being better than it's first outing, it's hard to beat the original Robocop.
Thinking about it, the combination of intense slo-mo sequences and 3d could work really well.
I tend to find 3d movies a bit annoying - in a locked off frame where there is no fast movement the effect is really cool, but (and I'm still not sure if this is just me - apparently quite a large percentage of people's eyes aren't capable of viewing 3d movies correctly) during action scenes the picture tends to go all blurry and the 3d effect subsides.
Having these super slo-mo gunfights seems to be a cool way of getting round this.
Apparently the [spoiler]slo-mo drug doesn't just make time slow down, it also makes the light iridescent and everything look beautiful and dream-like.[/spoiler]
These sequences should look really cool if the director can pull them off.
I've just been reading a draft of the script, and though I'm restricting myself to only skimming the first few scenes, I can reveal a few small things that people might be wondering about (without revealing anything at all about the plot or story).
Swearing/Slang - [spoiler]As far as I can tell, there is no future swearing (Drokk, Stomm or slang etc) - it's proper swearing all the way.[/spoiler]
Intro - [spoiler]There is a brief opening voice over, then its straight into the action.[/spoiler]
The City - [spoiler]The set up of MC1 is described as a more realistic take on the city - the mega-blocks are described simply as giant skycrapers rather than the dome shaped buildings of the comics - but overall the set up is very true to the world of the comics (each block is described as a city in its own right). Contrary to early reports we do see a lot of Mega City One before the action shifts to Peach Tree block in act two.[/spoiler]
The Lawmaster - [spoiler]The lawmaster is described in the script as a fat wheeled bike. There is a bike chase early on. [/spoiler]
Dredd's Helmet - [spoiler]Dredd is seen without the helmet on, but when he is, his face is obscured by shadow.[/spoiler]
Eastereggs - [spoiler]There's lots of little fan references in the script - so far I've noticed 'Wagner Drive', and 'Sternhammer Block'[/spoiler]
Overall, it sounds very cool - like a more real-world, gritty take on the comics. They should call it Dredd Begins.
Hi, new guy here.
Been a long time reader of Judge Dredd, long time lurker here, and a long time poster on the Judge Dredd imdb boards. A sudden spike in my Judge Dredd anticipation led me to sign up here.
Intro aside, I just read the leaked Garland draft for the new Judge Dredd movie, and while I have no intention of spoiling anything, I wanted to share my general impressions:
Holy crap. That was one intense, thrilling and in all ways awesome script.
I can see what Pete Travis has been chosen to direct, for as scripted, this movie is every bit as intense as Vantage Point and then some. I've read quite a few scripts lately, but this is the seriously best one I've read in as long as I can remember. It has all the makings of an action/sci-fi cult classic.
I just hope that they do not tone the movie down one bit in the transition from page to screen. All the scripted violence and similar must remain intact. And I mean all of it. All the makings of one fantastic reboot which will make the audience forget about Judge Stallone once and for all are here. They just need to bring it to the screen intact.
Can people be really careful about posting script and plot details?
I've been privvy to some of the info for a while -but I'd be really gutted to find out something else by reading/enjoying/contributing to this thread....I'd rather wait till I'm sat in the cinema..
I know you have so far, but just a reminder ;-)
QuoteCan people be really careful about posting script and plot details?
And can I echo this, please?
If I wanted to read the script, I would!
If you do feel the need to post any details,
please wrap them in spoiler tags!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 July, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
And can I echo this, please?
Thirded!
OTOH: "It's all the deep end." That's
good.Cheers
Jim
QuoteOTOH: "It's all the deep end." That's good.
Yup!
DREDDHEAD SCRIPT REPORT (http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/07/dreddhead-script-report.html)
Script Report up at my blog. There are no plot spoilers. It's mostly concerned with changes from the comic, and whatever nods there are to fans.
i couldn't help my self and have given it a read, defibnatly wont spoil but damn thats pretty impressive. The whole Dredd Begins thing is pretty correct, this is Dredd in a more belivable world, something that would exist 50 or 100 years from now. And man if they keep the violence in were talking one bloody movie, Dredd seems spot on and the Anderson character quite similar to her comic coiunterpart.
CU Radbacker
Where are you guys getting the script from??
I'd like a read of it!!!
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 July, 2010, 11:34:12 AM
And can I echo this, please?
Thirded!
OTOH: "It's all the deep end." That's good.
More than that, it's significantly better than
any line in the Stallone version.
As to tagging spoilers, Fourthed, even though I plan to get tanked up on spoilers to avoid (or at least prepare for) disappointment. Maybe we need to designate SPOILERS and NO SPOILERS threads? (As if anyone would pay attention...)
Or perhaps two threads, one for spoilers and one where spoilers are banned and get removed? Then people like me, who want to know absolutely everything about it before I see the thing, can ensure we don't annoy those who don't.
AND it would stop me reading this thread title as "JUDGE DREDD GOES INTO PRODUCTION FAIL" every single time! :o
By the way, the reason I'm happy to see spoilers is because no matter how great (or not) the movie turns out to be, to me it'll only ever be an adaptation of the proper material. And while I'm as excited as the next Earthlet, it'll only ever be half as exciting as, say, the next Dredd strip by Wagner & Ezquerra.
But mostly looking good so far. Good line of dialogue, good casting, positive things in the storyline... not sure about the 'more realistic city blocks' and 'real swearing' though. I was kind'a hoping to take my increasingly Dredd-obsessed (by the time the movie is out) nine year old and seven year old to it. I'm hoping for a 12A.
SBT
maybe there'll be an adaptation ? c'mon even the stallone thing conned carlos into doing one.
Jock should do the adaptation.
QuoteI'm hoping for a 12A.
No chance.
At a stretch, it possibly might scrape a 15.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 July, 2010, 12:34:37 PM
Good line of dialogue, good casting, positive things in the storyline... not sure about the 'more realistic city blocks' and 'real swearing' though. I was kind'a hoping to take my increasingly Dredd-obsessed (by the time the movie is out) nine year old and seven year old to it. I'm hoping for a 12A.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I'm hoping for the most restrictive rating possible, as that means a much truer adaptation of the source material, and a more hardcore, gritty and overall better movie as they don't have to hold back any punches. Making it appropriate for a nine year old (which your seven year old will be by the time the movie is out) would mean watering the movie down considerably, so much so that it in my opinion will severly hurt the movie overall.
I think it would be better if they made best movie possible for the long term. That may well mean that the movie might be too mature for a nine year old upon release, but it will be something he and all other Dredd fans can enjoy on Blu-ray and DVD for all future.
The alternative would be a watered down movie that your son might enjoy in theaters upon release, but that he'd probably end up considering as a wasted opportunity just a few years down line, along with all other Judge Dredd fans expecting a movie as mature as the source material.
If the movie gets made with that script as it is, we're looking at an 15 minimum, possibly an 18.
I didn't mean to read it, but it was there. And good stuff it was, too.
QuoteI'm hoping for the most restrictive rating possible
Thus cutting out the greatest percentage of your potential audience?
remember, ratings are a lot less restrictive now than they once were. You can get some pretty graphic violence in a 15 these days providing the language in the script isn't too Pete and Dud.
Also, Watchmen was an 18.
An 18 film only please Mr. Travis. Make number 2 a 15 rated to maximise the Judge Death potential.
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 27 July, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
If the movie gets made with that script as it is, we're looking at an 15 minimum, possibly an 18.
I didn't mean to read it, but it was there. And good stuff it was, too.
WHERE??
Quote from: norse_sage on 27 July, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
[.... as that means a much truer adaptation of the source material, and a more hardcore, gritty and overall better movie as they don't have to hold back any punches.
...Making it appropriate for a nine year old (which your seven year old will be by the time the movie is out) would mean watering the movie down considerably, so much so that it in my opinion will severly hurt the movie overall.
Devil's advocate time:
True to
which source material? Dredd has been a
lot of things in 30-odd years, and a fair bit of the good stuff was aimed at pre-pubescent boys. And why shouldn't a 2000AD movie be suitable for a 12 or 13 year old, if perhaps not all 9 years olds? That's when my Dredd obsession was at its height! It's a very old chestnut at this point, but I don't think graphic ultra-violence and swearing is necessary - I'd certainly settle for a 15, maybe even a 12A - Avatar was pretty violent fare. Pushing for an 18 seems counter-productive... we're not looking to compete with Machete.
I'd guess Watchman got the 18 certificate more for the rape than the violence.
Quote from: norse_sage on 27 July, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 July, 2010, 12:34:37 PM
Good line of dialogue, good casting, positive things in the storyline... not sure about the 'more realistic city blocks' and 'real swearing' though. I was kind'a hoping to take my increasingly Dredd-obsessed (by the time the movie is out) nine year old and seven year old to it. I'm hoping for a 12A.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I'm hoping for the most restrictive rating possible, as that means a much truer adaptation of the source material, and a more hardcore, gritty and overall better movie as they don't have to hold back any punches. Making it appropriate for a nine year old (which your seven year old will be by the time the movie is out) would mean watering the movie down considerably, so much so that it in my opinion will severly hurt the movie overall.
You mean the 9 year old I was when I first started reading the comic? Of all the news Ive heard, this seems the least appealing. Dredd is hardcore yes, but in a way that the supposedly censorious editorial of a conservative company were willing to publish it for under 10s back in the 70s.....
It strikes me that it is far better to pitch your film at a lower classification when you're making it, rather than have it cut to shreds after the fact. You're also far less likley to fall into the trap of relying on the appeal of buckets of 3D CGI gore instead of engaging action and dry wit.
I'd be happy if they kept it 12A, 15 at the most - I thought the Dark Knight was gritty enough at that rating.
I don't think it even needs to be an 18 at all.
Hi, Scott. Eff off, Scott.
I enjoyed a lot of it. There were bits that didn't sit well with me - [spoiler]such as execution as a pretty standard sentence, and Anderson's nude scene seemed tacky[/spoiler] - but it was pulpy and exciting and there were lots of bits that read as if they would look really f good on screen. Nothing really all that new for violent action movies, but far enough removed from generic superhero movies and much more in the spirit of Dredd than most of the Stallone movie.
Guys- IGNORE HIM.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 July, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
Guys- IGNORE HIM.
Mods: BAN HIM.
Again.
Like I wasn't in a bad enough mood this afternoon already.
Bah!
Jim
yeah obviously not enough geneticaly modified sugar and laser shields in this, they need to re-write it. ::)
I've read the script and if what we get is even half as good as it reads it'll be a million times better than the Stallone pap. This guy is Dredd, he has all the right manerisms, the right attitude and the right gun..
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Radbacker on 27 July, 2010, 03:37:16 PM
yeah obviously not enough geneticaly modified sugar
I have to admit, I do love the
spectacular cluelessness of "genetically modified sugar" which Mongo still hasn't edited out of his feeble screenplay as far as I know, despite the fact that not only is it just a rubbish plot device, it makes
no sense at all scientifically.
A quick fly-over the scorched wastelands of alt.comics.2000ad reveals that he also has a bee in his bonnet about "Slo-Mo" being an "obvious name"... from a man who called his principle villain Judge
Hades.
Comedy gold, I tells ya. If only we could get him signed up to the JBF...
Cheers!
Jim
Isn't Die Hard in a block, Die Hard?
The ignore button is right there in the post, you know. "Battle not with monsters..." etc.
Haven't read the script, but re the rating: if Dredd starts shouting "fuck!" instead of "drokk!", then to me he might as well take the helmet off and be done with it, cos he's not the character i know. No amount of headshots will push it up to an 18, thats just not the way the bbfc works these days. Explicit fantasy violence doesnt concern them so much. But language, and Anderson nude might do it. And frankly, there's no need for either.
Bottom line is that if it's not a 12A, i may see it once, or even wait for rental. If it gets the lower rating, it gets at least one, probably two or three, cinema visits from my whole family.
SBT
Isn't it a really bad idea to read the screenplay before watching the film? Spoilers don't come bigger than that
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 July, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Bottom line is that if it's not a 12A, i may see it once, or even wait for rental. If it gets the lower rating, it gets at least one, probably two or three, cinema visits from my whole family.
A very intelligent point, well made. My cinema outings, even my DVD watching, bow to the (largely) benevolent dictatorship of my family. I'm sure many of us are in that boat.
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:06:36 PM*genetically engineered sugar* beet
This not the same thing as sugar, you moron. Sugar beet is a plant, and has DNA. Sugar is a crystalline carbohydrate:
there is no DNA* in sugar, so it can't be genetically modified.As was explained to you, at length, when you first trotted this clunker out as a plot device in your turkey of a screenplay.
Thanks for playing, though!
Cheers
Jim
*But there is sugar in DNA.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 27 July, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
Isn't it a really bad idea to read the screenplay before watching the film? Spoilers don't come bigger than that
Yep.
I'm avoiding it. I like sneaky glimpses of stuff, but the screenplay would be too much of a spoiler for me. Especially considering some of my favourite films bare no resemblance to the original screenplay.
Steven
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
A quick fly-over the scorched wastelands of alt.comics.2000ad
Blimey it really is a ghost town, isn't it?
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 July, 2010, 03:57:22 PM
Isn't Die Hard in a block, Die Hard?
Good point well put :)
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
The fact is sugar can be genetically altered.
No, it fucking can't. It can be
chemically altered, but since it has no DNA and no genes it cannot, by definition, be genetically altered. This is not difficult to understand.
Jim
:o
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
I thought sugar comes from sugar beet. So I'm not sure your point stands up but who cares.
And if you were so minded, you could extract water from human beings, and it would still be H2O, with no DNA in it. You can no more genetically alter sugar in your example than you can the water in mine.
You remember that conversation, Scotty-boy, from the last time you crashed here and someone asked you if you had
ever admitted to being wrong about something...? Well, now's the time.
Jim
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:34:11 PM
I'll mention this just once cos I'll get banned but is there any chance Rebellion can consider my screenplay.
Right. OK. Now we've established that this
is Scott without recourse to IP addresses and the like, can we throw this little [spoiler]cunt[/spoiler] off the forum, please?
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: norse_sage on 27 July, 2010, 01:09:01 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I'm hoping for the most restrictive rating possible, as that means a much truer adaptation of the source material, and a more hardcore, gritty and overall better movie as they don't have to hold back any punches. Making it appropriate for a nine year old (which your seven year old will be by the time the movie is out) would mean watering the movie down considerably, so much so that it in my opinion will severly hurt the movie overall.
I shall disagree in return! I've been reading Dredd since I was six years old- and I've never read anything in the "proper strip" (by which I mean the weekly, not the various offshoots aimed at the older audience like 'Heavy Metal Dredd', etc) that wouldn't be entirely suitable for a young audience, if done with sense and care. I don't want a movie that is made just to make the point that "Dredd is cool BECAUSE it's massively violent", I want a movie that succeeds because it successfully adapts the existing Dredd onto a bigger canvas, and makes people fall in love with what we all love.
QuoteI think it would be better if they made best movie possible for the long term.
Yep, absolutely. But the best DREDD movie possible. All I ask is that it's like the comic. Or what's the point?
Quote
The alternative would be a watered down movie that your son might enjoy in theaters upon release, but that he'd probably end up considering as a wasted opportunity just a few years down line, along with all other Judge Dredd fans expecting a movie as mature as the source material.
But "as mature as the source material" means "suitable for the under 12s". Dredd, the strip, is many things- but "just for adults" isn't one of them.
By the way, that "link to the script" has gone down. I'd like a read. Has anyone got... uh, "any ideas where it might be"?
SBT
When people quote him, I'm still exposed. Passive scojoing can be a killer. Of you.
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:37:21 PM
In the grand scheme of the story the sugar isn't that important. It doesn't matter if it can work - it's sci-fi - I think the fi stands for FICTION. :lol: It's just a means to move the plot forward.
And the SCI stands for SCIENCE. You really are incapable of accepting that there is
anything wrong with your feeble screenplay, even when it's stuff that is just flat out factually
wrong, aren't you?
Jim
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
You assert my screenplay is feeble
Are you wrong about the sugar? Yes or no?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 July, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
But "as mature as the source material" means "suitable for the under 12s". Dredd, the strip, is many things- but "just for adults" isn't one of them.
Point. I'm a bit unsure about the real world swearing, but when I think about it, would it really sound right if this bad ass future lawman shouted 'Drokk!' on screen? For non fans, it may undermine the 'serious' or gritty aspect the film makers are going for.
If it's good, he can say whatever he likes!
M
EDIT. Yer man really is a classic isn't he? It's hard to believe he's actually serious!
Quote from: Mikey on 27 July, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
Point. I'm a bit unsure about the real world swearing, but when I think about it, would it really sound right if this bad ass future lawman shouted 'Drokk!' on screen? For non fans, it may undermine the 'serious' or gritty aspect the film makers are going for.
If it's good, he can say whatever he likes!
M
EDIT. Yer man really is a classic isn't he? It's hard to believe he's actually serious!
Future swearing works fine in Farscape and Firefly. Stick with it I say.
Everytime Scojo posts, God kills a kitten. Think of the kittens people.
Quote from: Mikey on 27 July, 2010, 04:45:32 PM
Point. I'm a bit unsure about the real world swearing, but when I think about it, would it really sound right if this bad ass future lawman shouted 'Drokk!' on screen? For non fans, it may undermine the 'serious' or gritty aspect the film makers are going for.
If it's good, he can say whatever he likes!
M
Yeah, part of me agrees with that. Especially the last bit. But, of all the things wrong with the last attempt at a Dredd movie, the "future swearing" wasn't one of them. Well, except "HOLY DROKK!"- which was, of course, fucking horrible. So horrible, in fact, that you just KNOW it was spelled "Holy Drok!", with one 'k', in the script. Which was, of course, typed by a gibbon.
But then, I'm so used to "drokk", "grud" and "stomm" that I actually use them in real life, and have done for years, so I'm not the best judge of whether they would have a negative impact. I'm sure my eldest thinks they're actually real swear words, and even uses them himself. Which is quite funny. Listening to a seven year old fuck-up on a video game and shout "STOMM!" is really rather marvellous.
SBT
Drokk etc. I don't honestly know.
I think if you're going to have it, you have to go for broke with it.
If it's just used once or twice, people go 'huh'?
If it's done along the lines of BSG with Frak, where it's used repeatedly then it seems to sit better, eventually.
The flipside of this is I thought it was a bit weird when you had Adama calling a cylon a cocksucker in the Razor miniseries... because it's the exception rather than their established norm.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 July, 2010, 04:38:04 PM
Yep, absolutely. But the best DREDD movie possible. All I ask is that it's like the comic. Or what's the point?
I'll settle for a decent SF action film with a passing resemblance to Dredd if it does good box office and gets good press. The most important thing for the franchise is that it's a good film in its own right.
I don't hold out much hope for a sales bump, except that I firmly believe there are significant numbers of people who are aware of Dredd and 2000AD at or just below the threshold of their popular culture awareness; they understand that the title existed without necessarily knowing that much about it or that it's still going. If the mythical high street push isn't going to come off the back of the CLiNT and Strip launches, then
surely the Dredd movie has to be the right opportunity?
Cheers!
Jim
QuoteHaven't read the script, but re the rating: if Dredd starts shouting "fuck!" instead of "drokk!", then to me he might as well take the helmet off and be done with it, cos he's not the character i know.
From the (very little) part that I read, it seems that it's the perps doing the swearing rather than Dredd, but imo, if Dredd did go around saying "Drokk!" this movie would get laughed out of the cinema. Stuff like that works on the printed page, but doesn't when its said aloud.
I would MUCH rather the film be a 15, minimum. Part of the reason the 1995 movie failed was that it wasn't sure what it wanted to be - it was half violent action movie, half all ages action/adventure film and as a result was a mess. It's very important that this movie has balls - I don't want a watered down, toothless Dredd and to succeed it needs to be a solid action movie that's going to impress and win over a larger audience.
Someone brought up
The Dark Knight, and while that film got away with quite a lot for it's 12A rating, ultimately, Batman never kills anyone. I don't want a namby-pamby,
Lawman of the Future version of Dredd who only ever uses stun rounds.
Quote
I've been reading Dredd since I was six years old- and I've never read anything in the "proper strip" (by which I mean the weekly, not the various offshoots aimed at the older audience like 'Heavy Metal Dredd', etc) that wouldn't be entirely suitable for a young audience, if done with sense and care.
Disagree entirely. Films and comics are very different mediums - comics can get away with a hell of a lot more than films can.
Just purely because of the body count, who Dredd is and what he does, a decent film adaptation would never be suitable for, or marketed at, kids.
If you seriously thought this was going to be a movie you would be able to take young children to, you're dreaming.
here! here! old chap!
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 July, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
If it's done along the lines of BSG with Frak, where it's used repeatedly then it seems to sit better, eventually.
But a TV series has time to let it bed in.
Honestly, I don't think it's such a problem. I haven't read the script (!) but it's hardly as if Dredd is effing and jeffing (in MC1 terms) constantly, so the odd swear isn't so bad. From what I've read on this thread, the city apperance has been changed - furry muff - but that's a
greater departure from the comics than bad words. (EDIT
Quoteit seems that it's the perps doing the swearing rather than Dredd
There you go then!)
I think Judge Death should appear with
sugar from another dimension that drives the cits wild. The hitherto unmentioned Dentist Div could make a great contribution, and leave Dredd with a grudging repect for their methods etc.
M.
Dredd doesn't swear at all, although he does whisper [spoiler]CUN[/spoiler][spoiler]TFUC[/spoiler][spoiler]KULOUSB[/spoiler][spoiler]UMHOLES[/spoiler] nine to twelve times, but it's used only in the appropriate situations.
I'm gonna be disapointed if he doesn't.
Quote from: Jared Katooie on 25 July, 2010, 07:32:43 PM
I wish Pixar was making this... with Keith David as the voice of Dredd.
ewwwwwww that is the worst idea yet
pixar/disney is the worst of american animation.
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 04:58:52 PM
QuoteHaven't read the script, but re the rating: if Dredd starts shouting "fuck!" instead of "drokk!", then to me he might as well take the helmet off and be done with it, cos he's not the character i know.
From the (very little) part that I read, it seems that it's the perps doing the swearing rather than Dredd, but imo, if Dredd did go around saying "Drokk!" this movie would get laughed out of the cinema. Stuff like that works on the printed page, but doesn't when its said aloud.
But Dredd is funny - thats the beauty of it - it laughs at itself. The future swearing is just an aspect of that that conveniently allows you a lower rating and a bigger audience. If its a script that would seem silly with amusing swear substitutes, I find it hard to see how its a Dredd film - becasue there should be enough other madness and off the wall stuff to put those words into the context of this mental future.
I just hope Dredd is going to call out what he's about to do just before doing it.
BOOT KNIFE!
I hope he still keeps gun in his boot,makes more sense when hes on a bike,esier to grab.
BOOT GUN!!
Quote from: Minty on 27 July, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
I just hope Dredd is going to call out what he's about to do just before doing it.
BOOT KNIFE!
KNIFE! FORK! TEETH!
WILLY! FLUSHING HANDLE! LIGHTSWITCH!
QuoteBut Dredd is funny - thats the beauty of it - it laughs at itself. The future swearing is just an aspect of that that conveniently allows you a lower rating and a bigger audience. If its a script that would seem silly with amusing swear substitutes, I find it hard to see how its a Dredd film - becasue there should be enough other madness and off the wall stuff to put those words into the context of this mental future.
But people would be laughing
at the film, not
with it, which is an important distinction. It's the same reason that Batman doesn't call everyone 'chum' in the Nolan movies like he does in some of the comics.
For better or worse, though not without humourous moments, the Garland script appears to present a toned down, grittier version of Dredd. Personally, I think this is the right approach if they want to attract a wider audience. It's an adaptation - just taking the comic exactly as it is and putting it on screen without changing anything at all (which it seems quite a lot of people here want) simply wouldn't work, imo.
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
QuoteBut Dredd is funny - thats the beauty of it - it laughs at itself. The future swearing is just an aspect of that that conveniently allows you a lower rating and a bigger audience. If its a script that would seem silly with amusing swear substitutes, I find it hard to see how its a Dredd film - becasue there should be enough other madness and off the wall stuff to put those words into the context of this mental future.
But people would be laughing at the film, not with it, which is an important distinction. It's the same reason that Batman doesn't call everyone 'chum' in the Nolan movies like he does in some of the comics.
For better or worse, though not without humourous moments, the Garland script appears to present a toned down, grittier version of Dredd. Personally, I think this is the right approach if they want to attract a wider audience. It's an adaptation - just taking the comic exactly as it is and putting it on screen without changing anything at all (which it seems quite a lot of people here want) simply wouldn't work, imo.
You're quite possibly right, but removing the elements that distinguish Dredd from,say, Robocop just seems like playing it safe. They said the new Dr Who would flop for example, as too out there for the mainstream. I think these things are attractive differences, if dealt with properly. A Dredd that was pretty "faithful" in tone I think would be pretty wacky, but would, like the comic, have us laughing with the wackiness not at it - you only laugh at it if you think the produceres dont know how ridiculous it is, but if its clear its all part of the fun, then I think it adds more than your bog standard swearing.
QuoteA Dredd that was pretty "faithful" in tone I think would be pretty wacky, but would, like the comic, have us laughing with the wackiness not at it - you only laugh at it if you think the produceres dont know how ridiculous it is
They should definitely do everything they can to avoid 'wacky'.
We don't want another
The Spirit on our hands. That was a film that
was trying to be funny, but still got laughed
at.
Quoteremoving the elements that distinguish Dredd from,say, Robocop just seems like playing it safe.
Risking big bucks on a obscure property like Dredd? I think playing it safe is the way to go. I guess I just have a more mainstream sensibility for these sorts of things - for example, I tried to listen to that Dredd audio play that came free the Meg years ago. I turned it off within a few minutes because it made me cringe so much.
Even in the comics, the tone of Dredd varies from story to story, and I'd rather have something that is tonally more like
The Pit or
Mandroid than
The Judge Child.
The script has been leaked online and I just read it.
I'm a long term fan of Judge Dredd, If I haven't read every episode I've read at least 95% of the Dredd episodes and I'd say that this script is very faithful to the comic in feel. If you've heard that it's set up like Die hard in MC1 that's pretty much on the money and it's not a bad thing either. If you're gonna take any action film as a template Die Hard is really as good as it gets anyway - take a look back at that movie if you forget and you'll realize just how tightly scripted economic it is.
This is going to be a relatively low budget production by todays sci-fi action movie standards so a lot of the weirder stuff would honestly be superfluous to the thrust of the story anyway.There is still no reason the film makers can't insert some of that stuff in there. The focus is on the action and the characters of Dredd and Anderson who are practically identical to how they are in the comics. The same can't be said for the film from '95.
Also take a look at district 9 that came out last year and you'll know that a film like this can be done on a budget successfully, and apparently a producer from that film is also working on Dredd. Its also shot in SA like district 9 meaning Johannesburg can be used for location shooting doubling for MC1. Director Pete Travis has experience in working out there too for his last film Endgame.
I could go on and on with reasons why it could all work out perfectly but I wont - there are also things that could've been included e.g the Ma-Ma clan could've been the Angel gang - so on.
Some of the violence in this thing is 100 times harder than even something like Robocop, I hope they keep it all in. It reads like something that could have been made back in the 80s. All in all I'm impressed so far.
Quote from: Minty on 27 July, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
I just hope Dredd is going to call out what he's about to do just before doing it.
BOOT KNIFE!
Yeah he does do that kind of thing. I don't recall him using bootknife though.
Most of the Humour comes from the over the top violence funnily enough (if you find that kind of thing funny - which most of us probably do reading 2000ad) and not the straight forward satirical stuff.
I found it all quite funny, but who knows if the people making it understand that like Paul Verhoven does - and play violence for laughs.
Mike Carroll's Badge and chain render shows up on this report!
http://www.themppc.com/magpress/karl-urban-claims-law/
Sites are still using the Reel Late quotes as confirmation that negotiations are over and that he's signed, but I've not seen any other source for that news, and I'm wary of it.
Something that got lost in the deluge of reports over the past week is this Movieline interview with Urban in which he relates how he became a fan, which would appear to be around 1987.
http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/karl-urban-on-joining-judge-dredd-and-what-would-make-him-puke-in-his-popcorn.php
It looks like a lot of posts have been deleted off this thread which is very boring if you werent here at the right time.
Aaaaaaaaand this just in. Video of Urban talking about it (still at SDCC) saying he's in a frame of to do it, and this is the film Judge Dredd fans have so richly deserved for the last forty! years.
http://www.reelzchannel.com/trailer-clips/49178/judge-dredd-interview
A cultural argot worked quite well in "A Clorkwork Orange" and that was far more pronounced, no reason why it can't work in Dredd as long as the attitude's there.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 27 July, 2010, 07:30:56 PM
Aaaaaaaaand this just in. Video of Urban talking about it (still at SDCC) saying he's in a frame of to do it, and this is the film Judge Dredd fans have so richly deserved for the last forty! years.
http://www.reelzchannel.com/trailer-clips/49178/judge-dredd-interview
Forty years! he says it like a sentence. A wrong one though.
Quote from: drich90212 on 27 July, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
I could go on and on with reasons why it could all work out perfectly but I wont - there are also things that could've been included e.g the Ma-Ma clan could've been the Angel gang - so on.
The Angel Gang were not drug dealers and they lived in the Cursed Earth, so they couldn't be.
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
Quoteremoving the elements that distinguish Dredd from,say, Robocop just seems like playing it safe.
Risking big bucks on a obscure property like Dredd? I think playing it safe is the way to go. I guess I just have a more mainstream sensibility for these sorts of things
It's not a Hlooywood sized budget so why would they need to play it safe, the best sci-fi never does, 2000AD never did either so let's keep it in that spirit. look at where playing it "safe" got the Stallone film.
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
QuoteA Dredd that was pretty "faithful" in tone I think would be pretty wacky, but would, like the comic, have us laughing with the wackiness not at it - you only laugh at it if you think the produceres dont know how ridiculous it is
They should definitely do everything they can to avoid 'wacky'.
We don't want another The Spirit on our hands. That was a film that was trying to be funny, but still got laughed at.
Quoteremoving the elements that distinguish Dredd from,say, Robocop just seems like playing it safe.
Risking big bucks on a obscure property like Dredd? I think playing it safe is the way to go. I guess I just have a more mainstream sensibility for these sorts of things - for example, I tried to listen to that Dredd audio play that came free the Meg years ago. I turned it off within a few minutes because it made me cringe so much.
Even in the comics, the tone of Dredd varies from story to story, and I'd rather have something that is tonally more like The Pit or Mandroid than The Judge Child.
If they were my bucks being spent, I'd probably agree with you! And tonally, I've long subscribed to teh idea of the Hunters Club/Graveyard shift procedural as the best template. But I also would like them to leave room in the same world for Citizen Snork, or Mayor Dave.
You can play it safe, but I'm not convinced playing it sae actually acheives that goal. Arent some of the best remembered and succesful things the things that broke the mould rather than tried to fit in? Star Wars anyone?
Not that I disagree with you that much - just that i don't want them to be embarassed by the breadth of Dredds world.
The script as it is doesn't reveal an awful lot about Dredd's world, leaving it wide open for any sequels to explore thhe City in more detail. It's mostly set in one block, though it's made clear that the City is huge and there are glimpses of it at the beginning and end, and it establishes Dredd and Anderson and the Justice Department well enough that a film bigger in scope would not contradict anything in it.
I'm sure lots of it will change, but the tone seems mostly right, and the characterisation is pretty spot on.
I don't mind spoilers, personally, by the way... I read Lord of the Rings before that was a movie and still enjoyed it :)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 27 July, 2010, 07:19:00 PM
Mike Carroll's Badge and chain render shows up on this report!
http://www.themppc.com/magpress/karl-urban-claims-law/
Woohoo! I've been noticed!
And don't forget: anyone who wants a personalised Judge badge only has to follow the link at the bottom of this post...
-- Mike
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 27 July, 2010, 09:16:27 PM
And don't forget: anyone who wants a personalised Judge badge only has to follow the link at the bottom of this post...
Ooh. Would you look at that? Cool!
Cheers
Jim
I'm not one for spoilers so I'll not be checking out the script but it's good that so many who've read it seem to have such positive reaction to it.
Damn you internet!
Assuming this is not a fake and having only read the first 12 pages(I'm not reading anymore)everything bodes well for a totally arsom movie!
Please be arsom!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 July, 2010, 10:24:47 PM
Damn you internet!
Agreed. This script is a poisoned chalice, I really wish I hadn't got hold of it. I too read the first scene and said no more but now it's
there mocking me with it's spoilsome secrets. I don't think I have the willpower to delete it and will surely cave eventually. My only hopes are either that my puter spontaneously combusts or that I hide in the freezer til the film is released.
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 10:36:08 PM
The film does have one singular achievement...
The worst villain name in motion picture history -
MA-MA!
::) Crappy-dappy! :D
I knew you'd say that!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 July, 2010, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 10:36:08 PM
The film does have one singular achievement...
The worst villain name in motion picture history -
MA-MA!
::) Crappy-dappy! :D
I knew you'd say that!
Of course, the singular irony of that is that those words were penned by a man whose supposedly superior script features a villain called
Judge Hades.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 July, 2010, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 July, 2010, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: DNAman on 27 July, 2010, 10:36:08 PM
The film does have one singular achievement...
The worst villain name in motion picture history -
MA-MA!
::) Crappy-dappy! :D
I knew you'd say that!
Of course, the singular irony of that is that those words were penned by a man whose supposedly superior script features a villain called Judge Hades.
Cheers!
Jim
I don't know Jim. I think you're being a bit unfair there!
I've got a good one. How about Chief Judge Despotic criminally mastermind?
That's pretty good isn't it? Or is it a bit ambiguous?
Well in a cold sweat with shaking hands, I found the script and read it. I was compelled. I didn't really want to do it but I couldn't stop myself.
It's fantastic. From beginning to end. [spoiler]It's Dredd in full on hard arsed action mode. Think Mandroid. Yes, it's just one side of the Dredd world, the 'action hero' side, but I think it's the kind of tone that will translate best to the big screen.[/spoiler]
Can't wait to see it.
Tit count?
Coming right up.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/great-tit-3066.jpg?t=1280272070)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 27 July, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
MASSIVE detailed review of the script at ScriptShadow (http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/2010/07/peach-trees.html)
The more I hear, the more I like! Not as hilarious as Mark's take but we've got to work with what we have. :lol:
Nice, professional review style too. Just the right amount of info without spoiling things.
I just read this entire thread (take that, Things I Was Supposed To Be Doing!) and have gone from being aware that another Dredd film was possibly somewhere out there possibly one day possibly possibly to extra excited painfully hard happy chappy.
I started reading this thread prepared to get more and more despondent as more news was leaked revealing how much it would be a big stinky but everything I'm reading is making me happier.
And the Urban gurney pic montage back around the 30th page was perfect. Instant sale. :D
Just read the script review... am getting officially excited now.
Read the script (as found via google) holy shit that's good. A pretty much spot on dredd (certainly as written, this dredd is pretty consistent with comic book dredd) Anderson is pretty great too (with a story that cements their relationship and reminds me a great deal of city of the damned) and the plot- while being a much smaller in terms of the stake and scale - was a fantastic and worthy dredd script.
Roll on the movie!
QuoteMoon director Duncan Jones has revealed that he turned down the chance to helm the Judge Dredd movie.
The British filmmaker, who is a fan of the 2000AD comic book character, revealed to Man Made Movies that he was sent the script for Alex Garland's adaptation before Vantage Point's Pete Travis was named as director.
Jones admitted that he didn't want to make Garland's script because it didn't match his specific vision for the character.
"I would have loved to do the Judge Dredd movie that is under way," he said. "I was in fact sent the script to look at. It's a great script, and I hope I will not rue the decision of passing on it. Thing was, I had such a strong idea of what I wanted to do with a Dredd movie, I could not bring myself to take it on and not do it my way!"
He continued: "My Dredd would have been really weird, and dark and funny, but not your traditional introduction to a hero character. I don't even know if I could have made my version of the film pitch-able. It was maybe too off the wall."
Such a shame! Perhaps if the Dredd movie does well, Jones could be offered Strontium Dog or another 2000ad property?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a251952/duncan-jones-turned-down-judge-dredd.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a251952/duncan-jones-turned-down-judge-dredd.html)
Moon was in my eyes the best film of last year. I loved it. I think however the script is the right way to go for the reboot. Maybe he can do Dredd2: Dredd vs Death :D
Moon was certainly one of the best film from last year (just goes to show that all the special effects in the world.. yes Avatar, I'm looking at you... is no substitute for a well told story) and fair play to Jones for passing if he felt it wasn't right for him.
I'd like to know just what ideas he would have for Dredd... Get McCarthy to do production designs on it... instant cult classic!
I wonder what the chances of getting some art or script droids cameoing in the film are?
If Stan Lee can shoehorn his way into every Marvel pic, then surely the droids deserve their day...
Or one of us lot from the forum ;)
Thinking up more grisly death scenes for yourself John?
Of course ;)
Quote from: drich90212 on 27 July, 2010, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: Minty on 27 July, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
I just hope Dredd is going to call out what he's about to do just before doing it.
BOOT KNIFE!
Yeah he does do that kind of thing. I don't recall him using bootknife though.
Sorry pedant alert :D .Blood of Satanus
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/bootknife.jpg)
Blood of Satanus 3 isn't in the film script though I assume
And you're not a moderator.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 28 July, 2010, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: drich90212 on 27 July, 2010, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: Minty on 27 July, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
I just hope Dredd is going to call out what he's about to do just before doing it.
BOOT KNIFE!
Yeah he does do that kind of thing. I don't recall him using bootknife though.
Sorry pedant alert :D
Don't know if that pedant alert is aimed my way? If it is I'm well aware Dredd uses a boot knife in the comics - I was referring to the Peach tree script.
I think we all know Dredd enough here to know about BOOT KNIFE.
sorry i meant i was the pedant,no offence
Psssst! Wanna know who Judge Anderson is gonna be played by? (http://soaps.sheknows.com/youngandrestless/news/id/10687/The_Young_And_The_Restless_Elinor_Donahue_To_Play_/)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 28 July, 2010, 07:25:56 PM
Psssst! Wanna know who Judge Anderson is gonna be played by? (http://soaps.sheknows.com/youngandrestless/news/id/10687/The_Young_And_The_Restless_Elinor_Donahue_To_Play_/)
For a second there I believed it...!
Quote from: Steve Green on 28 July, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
I wonder what the chances of getting some art or script droids cameoing in the film are?
If Stan Lee can shoehorn his way into every Marvel pic, then surely the droids deserve their day...
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 28 July, 2010, 04:35:27 PM
Or one of us lot from the forum ;)
or he who shall not be named executed.
Direct from
John Wagner, via facebook....
QuoteWent up to London to see Alex Garland, Pete Travis and the DNA team today and look over what they've been up to. They've found some nice locations in South Africa and with some great CGI are a long way towards creating a convincing Mega-City One. They're keen to include a lot of Mega-City background detail - good g...raffiti, for instance - and while I can provide a lot of it I'll also be happy to pass on any good fan suggestions to them. What odd sort of shopfronts would there be - e.g. Male Pregnancy Advice Bureau - what odd sights might you see on the streets or in the home. All suggestions welcome!
Get yourselves over there and give him some suggestions!
Hello.
This is my first post so be gentle ! But I've wanted to say something for ages ! I've been following the Dredd flick on the imdb and I noticed the same guy there has been posting on this site...and pretty much every other.
The guy who said its like Die Hard and they should have chosen his screenplay. Yeah, that guy. Nothing to add really, its just I've been on lots of sites and he always turns up. He is on a one man personal quest to say how rubbish and un-original the screenplay is and I can't help but laugh at his ability to be everywhere. Is he a regular to you guys ?
QuoteIs he a regular to you guys ?
You'll be unsurprised to find out that he's banned from this site. He does pop up every now and then in another guise, but he is not welcome.
You, on the other hand, are!
Hmmm.
Quote from: TordelBack on 28 July, 2010, 10:15:20 PM
Hmmm.
Hmmm indeed. Moderators, check the Reported Posts thread!
He has his own personal forum...he'd love the company...
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics (http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics)
by the way, I'm John Wagner.
he's persistent i'll give him that...
quick flush him out !is garageman really....? and gordon rennie THE replacement of wagner ? your thoughts please!
Quote from: Garageman on 28 July, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
He has his own personal forum...he'd love the company...
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics (http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics)
Oh good god. I just spent three minutes perusing that. He really does just piss into the wind, doesn't he? Other than "John Smith", is there anyon else there?
Good god.
SBT
I, in the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, am far too trusting.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 July, 2010, 10:41:39 PM
I, in the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, am far too trusting.
and are you wearing carpet slippers?
Quote from: mogzilla on 28 July, 2010, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 July, 2010, 10:41:39 PM
I, in the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, am far too trusting.
and are you wearing carpet slippers?
... might be...
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 July, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 July, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
He has his own personal forum...he'd love the company...
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics (http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comics.2000ad/topics)
Oh good god. I just spent three minutes perusing that. He really does just piss into the wind, doesn't he? Other than "John Smith", is there anyon else there?
Good god.
SBT
Anybody who still posts on that forum needs their head examined. It amazes me tht a certain few still do, I wouldn't say to battle wits, but mainly to argue with
him. It's a real web gutter. Absolutely bizarre.
Quote from: Garageman on 28 July, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
by the way, I'm John Wagner.
Whoa !
The John Wagner ?
Quote from: Garageman on 29 July, 2010, 01:00:36 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 July, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
by the way, I'm John Wagner.
Whoa !
The John Wagner ?
Indubitably, go ask scojo on his forum.
I don't know who he is, I'll just take your word for it.
This is...so cool.
Y'know, you ever think about what you would say if you met someone you really wanted to meet ?
Well, I was hoping I would say something slightly better than 'so cool'. The really sad and tragic part is that I actually put some thought into that.*
Still.
Such is life.
*It's better than 'you rock!' at least.
A large grain-of-salt is waiting for you.
Quote from: Garageman on 29 July, 2010, 01:23:58 AM
A large grain-of-salt is waiting for you.
I've just made a major prat of myself, haven't I ?
Man, this is like collage all over again.
Quote from: radiator on 28 July, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
Direct from John Wagner, via facebook....
QuoteWent up to London to see Alex Garland, Pete Travis and the DNA team today and look over what they've been up to. They've found some nice locations in South Africa and with some great CGI are a long way towards creating a convincing Mega-City One. They're keen to include a lot of Mega-City background detail - good g...raffiti, for instance - and while I can provide a lot of it I'll also be happy to pass on any good fan suggestions to them. What odd sort of shopfronts would there be - e.g. Male Pregnancy Advice Bureau - what odd sights might you see on the streets or in the home. All suggestions welcome!
Get yourselves over there and give him some suggestions!
Nice to know they're paying attention to the little details. Do you have a link?
I'm going to be a bit of a troll here and come straight out and say it;
a Pat Mills Movie is something I've always loved to see. Satanus, Rico, every Pat deployment and subtext would be the biggest two fingers to Hollywood evah. It'd be on the edge of the seat stuff waiting to see how they'd shove all the SFX together.
Seriously.
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 01:31:18 AM
Man, this is like collage all over again.
Get a grown-up to help you with the scissors.
Quote from: Garageman on 28 July, 2010, 10:18:56 PM...by the way, I'm John Wagner.
Well you can see why somebody would think that. I mean, you can spell and use grammar and stuff. And this is the internet. You
must be a proper writer or some crap. ;)
Quote from: SAJse on 28 July, 2010, 12:40:31 AM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 27 July, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
MASSIVE detailed review of the script at ScriptShadow (http://scriptshadow.blogspot.com/2010/07/peach-trees.html)
The more I hear, the more I like! Not as hilarious as Mark's take but we've got to work with what we have. :lol:
Nice, professional review style too. Just the right amount of info without spoiling things.
Woohoo! Somebody noticed! :D
Quote from: Krombasher on 29 July, 2010, 04:13:34 AM
a Pat Mills Movie is something I've always loved to see.
Yes, and I'd like Kenneth Brannagh to play him.
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 July, 2010, 06:38:38 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 01:31:18 AM
Man, this is like collage all over again.
Get a grown-up to help you with the scissors.
hahahahaha. I'm sorry that really made me laugh. sorry to fly off the rails like that.
Quote from: pauljholden on 28 July, 2010, 09:36:10 AM
Read the script (as found via google) holy shit that's good. A pretty much spot on dredd (certainly as written, this dredd is pretty consistent with comic book dredd) Anderson is pretty great too (with a story that cements their relationship and reminds me a great deal of city of the damned) and the plot- while being a much smaller in terms of the stake and scale - was a fantastic and worthy dredd script.
Yeah, I did too. I promised myself I'd only read the first few pages but I was gripped and read the whole drokkin' thing! It's wonderfully gritty with some excellent one liners and a fair few nods to creators and 2000AD strips. I reckon most of us are going to be happy.
The thing that shocked me was how adult the piece is - there's a fair bit sex and violence in there, not that I'm complaining!
Oooh, can't wait!
On a side note - I stupidly ventured to Sc*j*'s domain. Man, that prick makes me angry, he claims he's a fan then does his best to slag everything off. He really needs a slap.
I plan to avoid the script or to read much more about the Dredd film & avoid the hype. I'd rather be blown away watching it at the flicks...
Quote from: willthemightyW on 29 July, 2010, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 July, 2010, 06:38:38 AM
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 01:31:18 AM
Man, this is like collage all over again.
Get a grown-up to help you with the scissors.
hahahahaha. I'm sorry that really made me laugh. sorry to fly off the rails like that.
College.
I meant college !
:-[
Quote
On a side note - I stupidly ventured to Sc*j*'s domain. Man, that prick makes me angry, he claims he's a fan then does his best to slag everything off. He really needs a slap.
Me too; actually quite enjoyed the pig-headed lunacy of it all, and read some bits of his scripts for the first time. They weren't
quite as bad as I'd been led to believe, but I haven't seen them in their entirity, and by Christ he really doesn't want to take any advice on board.
And is that really John Smith arguing with him? surely he has better things to do.
so, "dogget" what are your views on rennie's take on dredd? how did you enjoy this weeks?
.....plus, if garageman was the wag we'd know. the fella doesnt have any qualms about being on facebook to be hounded by certain prats so why would he on here? we have several creators grace our world even the mighty ezquerra !!!
Here's a nice little interview, sorry if it's been posted already.
http://www.collider.com/2010/07/23/karl-urban-interview-judge-dredd-star-trek-2-red-comic-con-shoots-next-summer-confirms-dredd/ (http://www.collider.com/2010/07/23/karl-urban-interview-judge-dredd-star-trek-2-red-comic-con-shoots-next-summer-confirms-dredd/)
Quoteif I went to a movie that was called "Judge Dredd" and the character or the actor who played Judge Dredd took the helmet and I would see his full face and features I would puke in my popcorn
Respect.
Quote from: mogzilla on 29 July, 2010, 05:03:28 PM
so, "dogget" what are your views on rennie's take on dredd? how did you enjoy this weeks?
In all honesty, I haven't bought a prog or a Megazine in a year or two...
:-[
I still buy the Case Files though. I'm up to the Oz story in 11
Anyway, Rennie wrote one of the first Dredd stories I ever saw and if he's taken over then I'm sure Dredd is in good hands.
When it comes to the new flick, I'm wondering when we're gonna get the whole 'How long will Anderson's hair be in the movie' topic ! I know it's just around the corner.
Anderson's hair Silk Spectre long and played by the delightful Malin Akerman please
Mr. Travis! ;)
Elizabeth Shue for Anderson !
Oh, man, she's too old now.
Why do all the cool people have to get old !
Grrr....
QuoteOn a side note - I stupidly ventured to Sc*j*'s domain. Man, that prick makes me angry, he claims he's a fan then does his best to slag everything off. He really needs a slap.
Ooooh, where is he... linky link
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 06:41:38 PM
When it comes to the new flick, I'm wondering when we're gonna get the whole 'How long will Anderson's hair be in the movie' topic ! I know it's just around the corner.
My only demand is that we get an Anderson who is FOXY AS ALL HELL LET LOOSE and sassy with it, true to the character.
Judge Cassandra Anderson is possibly the single most unhealthy crush I've ever had.
Hello!
This is my first post. I've been a lurker for AGES, but everyone else seems to get their prog about a week ahead of me, so for some reason that stopped me ever joining, although I kept lurking which still spoilt things, so...
I'll stop talking right there.
Anyway, in a further oxymoron I just saw the Peach Tress script, and am frankly over the moon. That's how it should be done, I reckon.
I actually forget what it was I meaning to say. Oh well. I'm out of fags, so I'm gonna nip to the garage. Anyone want owt?
Couldn't find cake, so I got you a kebab and a copy of Razzle.
Well, it IS Friday night.
Quote from: HdE on 29 July, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: doggettX on 29 July, 2010, 06:41:38 PM
When it comes to the new flick, I'm wondering when we're gonna get the whole 'How long will Anderson's hair be in the movie' topic ! I know it's just around the corner.
My only demand is that we get an Anderson who is FOXY AS ALL HELL LET LOOSE and sassy with it, true to the character.
Judge Cassandra Anderson is possibly the single most unhealthy crush I've ever had.
and that's why you're not directing.
Some things must be denied for the good of all mankind ;)
Quote from: Garageman on 27 July, 2010, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: radiator on 27 July, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
Quoteremoving the elements that distinguish Dredd from,say, Robocop just seems like playing it safe.
Risking big bucks on a obscure property like Dredd? I think playing it safe is the way to go. I guess I just have a more mainstream sensibility for these sorts of things
It's not a Hlooywood sized budget so why would they need to play it safe, the best sci-fi never does, 2000AD never did either so let's keep it in that spirit. look at where playing it "safe" got the Stallone film.
The Stallone Film was rated
R (in America) I wouldn't call that a ''safe'' rating. :eh:
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
It's not a Hollywood sized budget so why would they need to play it safe, the best sci-fi never does, 2000AD never did either so let's keep it in that spirit. look at where playing it "safe" got the Stallone film.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
The Stallone Film was rated R (in America) I wouldn't call that a ''safe'' rating. :eh:
R for
Rank.
Quote from: Garageman on 02 August, 2010, 12:42:08 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
It's not a Hollywood sized budget so why would they need to play it safe, the best sci-fi never does, 2000AD never did either so let's keep it in that spirit. look at where playing it "safe" got the Stallone film.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
The Stallone Film was rated R (in America) I wouldn't call that a ''safe'' rating. :eh:
R for Rank.
hm...Maybe they should just go ahead and go for the full blown NC-17 then. >:D
So is it official then Karl Urban will be Judge Dredd?
Not official, he did say that he was approached for the part. So, he's in consideration, possibly the front runner.
Can't wait for this movie, I have high hopes.
According to the most recent interview with Karl Urban, he has accepted and is officially the new Judge Dredd.
Or rather the first. Judge Stallone doesn't count as far as I'm concerned.
I have very high hopes with JW being consulted on a regular basis with the production team and then JW consulting fans for feedback also it can only lead to positive things.
You know Urban never even crossed my mind for Dredd (I was too busy pinning my hopes on a genetic fusing of Ron Perlman and Tom Jane for the lead) but I have to say I'm pretty happy with that. He's pretty gruff, has good presence and he's passed the chin test. Best of all m'lady fancies the pants off him so she'll have something to dribble over while I'm geekgasming. Nice.
Any word on how the Judge Uniforms look?
I still have this nightmare of armored ''crotches'' coming back! :sick:
Nope.
I'm sure they've learned the lessons of 95 though.
The good news is they've based it on Brian Bolland's art. The bad news is they only had this single page of Bolland's work to hand (http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/sputnik/53/jd_end.gif).
^^ Might be a fib.
^^ OK, is a fib.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 August, 2010, 07:17:04 PM
The good news is they've based it on Brian Bolland's art. The bad news is they only had this single page of Bolland's work to hand (http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/sputnik/53/jd_end.gif).
^^ Might be a fib.
^^ OK, is a fib.
Is there supposed to be a picture? :eh:
Nothings coming up except a ''fortunecity'' logo.
Who would you like to score the soundtrack for the new film?
Believe it or not, but I wouldn't mind Alan Silvestri coming back doing the music.
I actually liked his ''Mega-city suite'' & ''DREDD'' theme.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
Who would you like to score the soundtrack for the new film?
Believe it or not, but I wouldn't mind Alan Silvestri coming back doing the music.
I actually liked his ''Mega-city suite'' & ''DREDD'' theme.
Agreed.
Silvestri's score was one of the only good things in that film.
They should base the movie uniform on the classic 'Luna-City' period Dredd - cape, Sheriff's badge, round helmet etc. ;)
As for the soundtrack, I don't think an orchestral score would suit the tone of what they're going for. Ideally they should get John Murphy, the composer of 28 Days Later/Sunshine to do it.
Failing that, enlist Warp records to put together a compilation soundtrack of moody electronica and mental beats.
Quote from: radiator on 02 August, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
They should base the movie uniform on the classic 'Luna-City' period Dredd - cape, Sheriff's badge, round helmet etc. ;)
Don't make the helmets too round. It'll be like watching Judge Spaceballs !
Quote from: radiator on 02 August, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
They should base the movie uniform on the classic 'Luna-City' period Dredd - cape, Sheriff's badge, round helmet etc. ;)
As for the soundtrack, I don't think an orchestral score would suit the tone of what they're going for. Ideally they should get John Murphy, the composer of 28 Days Later/Sunshine to do it.
I'd personally wouldn't mind seeing Dredd with a cape, atleast partly.
For the soundtrack, I say Tyler Bates(300, Watchmen), or Graeme Revell(Sin City, Planet Terror).
How about rad capes?
Soundtracks eh? Sounds good, let's see...
Clint Mansell would be a good choice for the musical score. He did Requiem for a Dream, The Wrestler, Smokin' Aces, and Karl Urban's own Doom. :D
If they went with two composers for contrasting styles, like the recent Batman movies, I'd also throw Angelo Badalamenti in there.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 07:18:34 PMIs there supposed to be a picture? :eh:
Nothings coming up except a ''fortunecity'' logo.
Works fine when I click it. Anyway, what I was trying to link to was this: Dredd End (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=960&bih=1032&q=dredd+end&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2010, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 02 August, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
Who would you like to score the soundtrack for the new film?
Believe it or not, but I wouldn't mind Alan Silvestri coming back doing the music.
I actually liked his ''Mega-city suite'' & ''DREDD'' theme.
Agreed.
Silvestri's score was one of the only good things in that film.
Silvestri's score wasn't so bad if you take a listen to it but the way it was used in the film was lame. I didnt really like the parts that sounded (Bah -BaH _BAAH!} like SU- PAH _MAAN! That really turned me off when watchin it in the cinema - pretty cringe worthy. And those are the parts of the score that were most prominent.
Don't know about you but when I think Judge Dredd I sure as hell don't wanna be reminded of Superman or any other of those cheesy Superheroes.
I'm more inclined to go for a percussive experimental or just out of the ordinary soundtrack for the new Dredd. When I was a kid back in the 80's reading 2000ad and watching TV and Movies it was stuff like this that was most memorable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loPojPH68IA&feature=related ( V -Miniseries theme)
More Terminatoresque
Or this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG7HRYXssMM&feature=channel ( Equalizer Theme)
Something like the Aliens score: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVuo0lM4qio or Predator is much more fitting for Dredd than some generic superhero theme. Think more Donnie Darko than BatMan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-QR93EywM
Yes Slow but , it has Atmosphere!
Even the Trailer music that they didn't use in the Stallone film would be more fitting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVP54byTjDE
To each their own. Personally, I think the Aliens score is almost as bombastic as the Judge Dredd score, and the Dredd score doesn't really sound much like Superman to me.
I do think a more gritty and less bombastic score would be good, but I did really like Alan Silvestri's score.
Yeah Aliens is pretty Bombastic in places but it was fitting for what was happening onscreen, I didn't get that sense with the old Judge Dredd score. To be honest as movie scores go I much prefer the one for the original 1979 Alien.
Anyway I just hope thy don't take it the generic superhero route and do something that can stand up against something like the original terminator and stuff like that.
Quote from: drich90212 on 03 August, 2010, 01:35:45 AM
Yeah Aliens is pretty Bombastic in places but it was fitting for what was happening onscreen, I didn't get that sense with the old Judge Dredd score. To be honest as movie scores go I much prefer the one for the original 1979 Alien.
Anyway I just hope thy don't take it the generic superhero route and do something that can stand up against something like the original terminator and stuff like that.
What about something like ROBOCOP? Best theme song ever! :cool:
Quote from: doggettX on 02 August, 2010, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: radiator on 02 August, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
They should base the movie uniform on the classic 'Luna-City' period Dredd - cape, Sheriff's badge, round helmet etc. ;)
Don't make the helmets too round. It'll be like watching Judge Spaceballs !
Personally I'm hoping we see something like this.
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss44/miraclemanfan/Dreddpost.jpg)
I like how there are pouches on the pants, it kinda reminds me a little of Boba Fett.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 03 August, 2010, 02:00:15 AM
Quote from: drich90212 on 03 August, 2010, 01:35:45 AM
Yeah Aliens is pretty Bombastic in places but it was fitting for what was happening onscreen, I didn't get that sense with the old Judge Dredd score. To be honest as movie scores go I much prefer the one for the original 1979 Alien.
Anyway I just hope thy don't take it the generic superhero route and do something that can stand up against something like the original terminator and stuff like that.
What about something like ROBOCOP? Best theme song ever! :cool:
Basil Poledouris' score for robocop was brilliant, sadly he past away not so long ago. Jerry Goldsmith would of been a natural choice, but he's no longer with us either!
I'd go for Alan Silvestri or maybe James Horner-if he can reproduce the style of his better 80's and 90's scores.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ne5Lb2SiFHg/Rp97heuvWjI/AAAAAAAAE6U/AMAz-flrX3s/s400/NO+CAPES!.jpg)
Much as I like big orchestral scores, reckon Dredd would be better with something a bit electronic/industrial tinged, but still really classy. I'm thinking scores like Solaris or Sunshine, really great sci-fi scores those, and also way cheaper to do.
I'd vote for Clint Mansell myself, the guy's incredibly versatile, has been responsible for some great scores and is tech-savvy so should do something suitably sci-fi. Failing that they can do worse than getting Underworld to do something along the lines of their Sunshine score.
Vangelis or Trent Reznor
A bit of Cyber Punk by Prodigy would be nice. Prodigy's frenetic music used when the city block goes up! All citizens bailing out of the exploding block fire bug style, using Boing, gliders and shit to escape.
Quote from: dracula1 on 03 August, 2010, 01:28:42 PM
A bit of Cyber Punk by Prodigy would be nice. Prodigy's frenetic music used when the city block goes up!
Hmm. I think you could score a big chunk of the film using Cubanate's genre-defining industrial album, Cyberia. Well, I'd like to see it, even if no-else would!
Cheers
Hun
No industrial!
It's so overused in SF films. There has to be a scene where "scary" looking punks all wearing black leather with studs through their eyelids pogo around menacingly to some crap industrial music. Apparently, it's "futuristic". Bloody cliched more like.
If I had my way it would be a sparing amount of Warp stuff but mainly orchestral please.
SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS,
[spoiler]FUCKIN'[/spoiler] SPOILERS!
Please, guys, not all of us have read the script or want to. In fact, this is the last time I look at this thread - I don't want to know any more Just don't spoil it anywhere else on the board either.
For the OST, another vote for Clint Mansell. The guy's a genius. Crazy to think that he was once one of the shouty blokes in PWEI.
Quote from: spaceghost on 03 August, 2010, 01:41:36 PM
No industrial!
It's so overused in SF films. There has to be a scene where "scary" looking punks all wearing black leather with studs through their eyelids pogo around menacingly to some crap industrial music. Apparently, it's "futuristic". Bloody cliched more like.
If I had my way it would be a sparing amount of Warp stuff but mainly orchestral please.
Ah, but I don't necessarily mean disco beats and sampled guitars, I just mean electronic stuff with a slightly industrial soundset, something vaguely mechanical and techy sounding. I'm not talking Rammstein here.
Like James says, Vangelis or Reznor would be nice if Mansell's busy. I see Reznor's scored David Fincher's upcoming movie which should be interesting.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 03 August, 2010, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: spaceghost on 03 August, 2010, 01:41:36 PM
No industrial!
It's so overused in SF films. There has to be a scene where "scary" looking punks all wearing black leather with studs through their eyelids pogo around menacingly to some crap industrial music. Apparently, it's "futuristic". Bloody cliched more like.
If I had my way it would be a sparing amount of Warp stuff but mainly orchestral please.
Ah, but I don't necessarily mean disco beats and sampled guitars, I just mean electronic stuff with a slightly industrial soundset, something vaguely mechanical and techy sounding. I'm not talking Rammstein here.
Like James says, Vangelis or Reznor would be nice if Mansell's busy. I see Reznor's scored David Fincher's upcoming movie which should be interesting.
Yes I like the way you're thinking Keef. The last thing I want is another forgettable action/super hero soundtrack that doesn't convey any atmosphere or feeling. I like the Vangelis Blade Runner, which was very inventive and and atmospheric. Let's hope the film makers don't have the music just as an after thought.
Because his son turned down the SCRIPT, I think David Bowie should provide the soundtrack.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 03 August, 2010, 02:07:46 AM
I like how there are pouches on the pants, it kinda reminds me a little of Boba Fett.
Those are extremely impractical. If you are going to carry something into combat, it's always best to have it close and tight to the body.
For instance when doing some of my past jobs I would wear the following.
Side arm in holster strapped to waist and leg, velcro and stud release(It doesn't wobble when running about, come loose or make a noise).
Spare mags (for side arm), velcroed to both legs (Again, tight to the body and in the best position for ease of use, won't make a noise or come loose).
I won't go into the waist and upper body stuff.
Let's just say that those cargo pockets might look useful but they are not designed for combat, ease of use, etc... Good for round camp or for putting a map on on an orienteering comp. Let's stick with the leathers and all his ancillary kit in his belt pouches.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 03 August, 2010, 01:52:36 PM
SPOILERS, SPOILERS, SPOILERS,
[spoiler]FUCKIN'[/spoiler] SPOILERS!
Please, guys, not all of us have read the script or want to. In fact, this is the last time I look at this thread - I don't want to know any more Just don't spoil it anywhere else on the board either.
Totally f-in agree - NO F****** spoilers!!!
On another note - what will the film be called? Will it just be called Judge Dredd? Or will it be Judge Dredd: ________ just to distance itself from the '95 movie?
Quote from: strontium71 on 03 August, 2010, 08:51:54 PM
On another note - what will the film be called? Will it just be called Judge Dredd? Or will it be Judge Dredd: ________ just to distance itself from the '95 movie?
If this would have been an Origin film I would have gone with just
DREDD, but sense This movie isn't a origin tale I figure they will just call it Judge Dredd.
Judge Dre3D.
According to the screenplay, it's just called 'Dredd'.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 03 August, 2010, 10:20:56 PM
According to the screenplay, it's just called 'Dredd'.
SBT
I like it. :)
Also Is it true this movie will be 3-D? Isn't that rather cheesy?
And how much does it cost to film in 3-D?
i dont think it costs more to shoot in 3D (as long as you've go them flash camera's) but it adds quite a bit to the cost if you convert to 3D in post production (not only does it cost a shed load I've yet to see a good 3D conversion).
I think the main thing with shooting in 3D is that it needs to filmed quite a bit brighter (something to do with the 3D image being much darker than the 2D image) so you have to light appropriatly. I think this is how it works but I'm not a cinematography or director so i may be wrong>
CU Radbacker
I think its the glasses that make things darker, not the actual 3D process, but you still have to compensate for it.
ahh yes, that would make sense as they're polarized.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 03 August, 2010, 07:47:25 PM
For instance when doing some of my past jobs I would wear the following.
Side arm in holster strapped to waist and leg, velcro and stud release(It doesn't wobble when running about, come loose or make a noise).
Spare mags (for side arm), velcroed to both legs (Again, tight to the body and in the best position for ease of use, won't make a noise or come loose).
And that was just the HellTrek.
The 3D thing is a weird one, I'd initially thought it was a great idea if only for getting the movie noticed. After all, I figured with 3D being the big thing people would go and see it just because it was the current 3D movie. Noticed the last time I was at the cinema though that Toy Story was just out and showing on a heap of screens in both 3D and 2D, and weirdly every 2D showing was fully booked but the 3D ones weren't. It struck me as strange, maybe given the choice people just don't like 3D as much as I'd assumed.
Possibly Keef's Toy Story 3 observation may have to do with young kids - I know my eldest (4) hates wearing the glasses, to the point that we don't even try to bring him to 3D showings. For myself I'll always grab the 3D version since I get to the cinema so rarely that I want to maximise the experience with whatever fad is going, although as others have noted fast motion is always blurry for me.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 03 August, 2010, 10:20:56 PM
According to the screenplay, it's just called 'Dredd'.
SBT
Will you PLEASE!!! use spoilers in future !!
PLEASE !!
USE FUCKING SPOILERS !!!
I dont want to know what the film is going to be called but now its too late !!!
:D
The next but one is called DREDD 3.
:P
SBT
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 04 August, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 03 August, 2010, 10:20:56 PM
According to the screenplay, it's just called 'Dredd'.
SBT
Will you PLEASE!!! use spoilers in future !!
PLEASE !!
USE FUCKING SPOILERS !!!
I dont want to know what the film is going to be called but now its too late !!!
:D
Yeah imagine knowing the name of a film before you go to see it! It makes the conversation with the desk attendant when you're trying to buy your tickets soooo much less interesting.
I mean, buying the tickets is part of the experience, y'know?
"Hi, I'd like 2 tickets for a movie."
"Which movie would you like to see, sir?"
"I don't know what it's called."
"Well how do I know what movie you want to see, then?"
"It's about a futuristic lawman in this huge future city and he's like, judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one!"
"Ah, right! So you want to see..."
"HEY... DON'T tell me what it's called, I don't want to know until I see the opening credits, okay? Sheesh!"
"Okay well that's two tickets for... if I got the wrong film you can't blame me, right? Here you go. I suggest you don't look at them. It's in screen five. Don't forget or you'll have to look at them. Oh, and there's a poster on your left as you go in that you won't want to look at either." (rolls eyes). "Next!... Somebody sane, please."
Hand up all those who are going to see this in both 2D and 3D. :wave:
V
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 04 August, 2010, 06:08:32 PM
"Next!... Somebody sane, please."
Yes, I'm having to bite my tongue a bit with all these complaints (not yours Peter Wolf, I know it was a gag) about spoilers.
My usual response, in real life is thus:
"Oh fuck off, it's a FILM! GROW UP! If you don't want to know anything about a certain film, don't go on the fucking Internet, to a website devoted to said film and peruse threads pertaining to said film!"
If people seriously want to avoid everything about a particular film or tv show, then fine- go and live in the 1970s when such things were avoidable. However, these days, you've got no chance, sorry.
Just wait til the publicity kicks into gear... And don't, whatever you do, come up and talk to me in real life, because I WILL drop snippets into conversation just to piss you off. Because it's funny to watch grown men get upset over such things. I won't mention them here, of course, unless there's a thread devoted to such things. Why haven't we got one yet?
SBT
Quote from: vzzbux on 04 August, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Hand up all those who are going to see this in both 2D and 3D. :wave:
V
If this movie is in 3-D I'll see it in 3-D at the theater
and 2-D at home when it hits the blu-ray. :D
I saw the stallone twice at the cinema for my sins, so I'll probably catch it in 2D and 3D.
I was going to mention wanting a return the 70s and lack of internet, but then I remembered I read the Marvel Star Wars adaptation before I saw the film as a kid, so even then I was spoiling things for myself...
Live and don't learn :)
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
I saw the stallone twice at the cinema for my sins, so I'll probably catch it in 2D and 3D.
I was going to mention wanting a return the 70s and lack of internet, but then I remembered I read the Marvel Star Wars adaptation before I saw the film as a kid, so even then I was spoiling things for myself...
Live and don't learn :)
SPOILERS BELOW
I saw the Stallone Dredd
f i v e times at the cinema, so I win! Or actually, I massively lose.
And re spoilers, I habitually seek out 'making of's of films I'm interested in, comics-adaptations, novlisations, etc, before the movie. Always have done. And so have we all! And I stand by what I said earlier, that the structure and plot of the existing 'Peach Trees' script is not of the type that 'spoilers' are relevent.
[spoiler]It's a linear script, a series of incidents. There's no twisty turniness, no plot-reversals, and nothing happens like you wouldn't expect. It's entertaining, but that's about it. And the Anderson nude scene won't make final cut, betcha.[/spoiler]
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 04 August, 2010, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
I saw the stallone twice at the cinema for my sins, so I'll probably catch it in 2D and 3D.
I was going to mention wanting a return the 70s and lack of internet, but then I remembered I read the Marvel Star Wars adaptation before I saw the film as a kid, so even then I was spoiling things for myself...
Live and don't learn :)
SPOILERS BELOW
I saw the Stallone Dredd f i v e times at the cinema, so I win! Or actually, I massively lose.
And re spoilers, I habitually seek out 'making of's of films I'm interested in, comics-adaptations, novlisations, etc, before the movie. Always have done. And so have we all! And I stand by what I said earlier, that the structure and plot of the existing 'Peach Trees' script is not of the type that 'spoilers' are relevent.
[spoiler]It's a linear script, a series of incidents. There's no twisty turniness, no plot-reversals, and nothing happens like you wouldn't expect. It's entertaining, but that's about it. And the Anderson nude scene won't make final cut, betcha.[/spoiler]
SBT
Can someone tell me where I can find the script?
I'd like to review it myself.
The Anderson [spoiler]naked scene was a bit of a surprise to me ! When I first heard of it, I thought someone was kidding, but nope. It's in the script. I reckon it'll make the final cut but it will be filmed tastefully. So we don't get to see her... well, y'know. Mind you, its not actually her, but some fellas fantasy. I did like the whole she's really behind him thing. Its great to have a scene in someone's mind. Cool stuff![/spoiler]
Man, I hope they pick the right woman to be Anderson. We got a pretty good Dredd, I just hope they put as much thought into Cass.
I have a friend who makes a big deal of putting his hands over his ears and complaining when the trailers are on in the cinema because he doesn't want films spoilt. Makes him look a complete twat.
Quote"Oh fuck off, it's a FILM! GROW UP! If you don't want to know anything about a certain film, don't go on the fucking Internet, to a website devoted to said film and peruse threads pertaining to said film!"
No, I don't think so.
What if I, for example, posted the ending of the latest Strontium Dog series on the boards? Would 'Fuck off and grow up, it's only a comic' be a suitable reasonsing for me doing this?
Of course it wouldn't. Me doing it would be stupid, selfish and rude, especially when there was a facility (spoiler tags) that I could employ so prevent those who didn't want to know from knowing.
That said- I think Peter complaining about you mentioning the title of the script is a
wee bit OTT...
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 05 August, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
That said- I think Peter complaining about you mentioning the title of the script is a wee bit OTT...
I suspect that was entirely his point :D
Watched Repo Men last night (crap movie that i gave up on due to the torture porn), but it gave me hope for Dredd.
There were quite a few scenes of a huge Blade Runner-esque metropolis with what was probably a similar budget to our lawman's, and it did look good.
Bit more originality in the design and you've got a passable Mega City. Maybe even as good as the opening shots of that other movie...
I haven't seen any spoilers beyond the first act anywhere on the net, including this thread, and I wonder if the big so-called spoiler was this post...
Quote from: dracula1 on 03 August, 2010, 01:28:42 PM
A bit of Cyber Punk by Prodigy would be nice. Prodigy's frenetic music used when [spoiler]the city block goes up! All citizens bailing out of the exploding block fire bug style, using Boing, gliders and shit to escape.[/spoiler])
...which wasn't a spoiler at all.
Also the widely leaked script is from much earlier in the year. Once a budget and director were in place things will have changed, and will continue to do so.
Richmond, for one, spoiler tags dont work if you access the site through a pho e as i do. So i did have the end of this weeks stront 'spoiled' by the thread. But thats my fault, and im certainly not going to bitch about it. Besides, spoliling the comic is one thing- its the original text. The dredd movie is an adaptation, of no more importance to me than that fairground ride. Its nice to have, but hardly essential.
SBT
QuoteThe dredd movie is an adaptation, of no more importance to me than that fairground ride. Its nice to have, but hardly essential.
Fair enough, but it
is important to other people.
Has anyone else heard about Karl Urban's involvement as Dredd?
on his IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0881631/) profile he is attached to the Dredd production... I don't do IMDb Pro so I can't see any more details of the preliminary cast...
DISCLAIMER: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NEWS BECAUSE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ ALL THE PAGES SINCE I LAST DROPPED INTO THIS THREAD!!
Quote from: KevLev on 05 August, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
Has anyone else heard about Karl Urban's involvement as Dredd?
on his IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0881631/) profile he is attached to the Dredd production... I don't do IMDb Pro so I can't see any more details of the preliminary cast...
DISCLAIMER: I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NEWS BECAUSE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ ALL THE PAGES SINCE I LAST DROPPED INTO THIS THREAD!!
It's been mentioned once or twice. Not sure if he is 100% confirmed as Dredd but he appears to be 99% certain.
Thanks James! I've just been to Cravenoir's top notch Dredd movie info site, and Karl Urban looks pretty well confirmed.
We are all chompin' at the bit here folks! Rehashing news on old news, . . . come on Mr. Wagner and co. a few more reveals to quell our curiosity please. Whose the actress playing Anderson for example!!!
Who do you think will play Ma Ma?
I'm thinking Sigourney Weaver [spoiler]in a fat suit[/spoiler]
she was in Pete Travis' Vantage point.
Am I the only one who couldn't give a flying shit about 3D films? I'm still not sure colourisation was a good idea.
Quote from: Dunk! on 05 August, 2010, 10:42:55 AM
Watched Repo Men last night (crap movie that i gave up on due to the torture porn), but it gave me hope for Dredd.
There were quite a few scenes of a huge Blade Runner-esque metropolis with what was probably a similar budget to our lawman's, and it did look good.
Bit more originality in the design and you've got a passable Mega City. Maybe even as good as the opening shots of that other movie...
I thought that was alright actually. Though I'm guessing I partly agree in that the whole torture thing seemed out of place. It was kinda like the rest of society hadn't really changed much while a bunch of psychopaths ran around legally tearing people's guts out.
Repo Men is arsom, though it does loose the plot in the last act [spoiler]The whole weird organ removal and scanning filmed like a sex scene, it was just weird but i suppose if it was all happening in his mind it could be just to show how his job really f'd him up[/spoiler].
I think its a prety good asthetic to inspire to.
CU Radbacker
Anyone know when they actually start filmimg?
In tne Collider interview (http://www.collider.com/2010/07/23/karl-urban-interview-judge-dredd-star-trek-2-red-comic-con-shoots-next-summer-confirms-dredd/), Urban says "I believe it's slated to start shooting in late October or early November in South Africa."
MP3 of interview (http://media.collider.com/collider_audio/Comic_Con_2010/Karl_Urban_Comic_Con_2010_RED.mp3)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 06 August, 2010, 10:55:17 AM
In tne Collider interview (http://www.collider.com/2010/07/23/karl-urban-interview-judge-dredd-star-trek-2-red-comic-con-shoots-next-summer-confirms-dredd/), Urban says "I believe it's slated to start shooting in late October or early November in South Africa."
MP3 of interview (http://media.collider.com/collider_audio/Comic_Con_2010/Karl_Urban_Comic_Con_2010_RED.mp3)
Hadn't seen that interview, the way he talks about Dredd is heartening, sounds like he may actually "get it" which is encouraging.
I'm not overly bothered about 3D either. Toy Story 3 was fine, I see Avatar is coming back for more money too. I imagine '3D' is more $ to film. I'd rather they kept it 2D & spent the extra $ on something extra in the film, like script or sausage rolls
The reasons why 3d is being pushed so much is because
A: Its impossible to record from the back of the cinema- so no more dodgy DVD's being sold prior to official release. This means far less revenue lost to pirates- you have to go to the cinema to see it, so that equals bums on seats, which equals profit....
B: Cinemas have deals with distributors to show the films as part of the investment in projection technology.
so its pretty much here to stay. Its only a case of sorting out how to best use it, and whether its a tool or an addition.
D
Quote from: Teivion on 06 August, 2010, 05:41:24 PM
The reasons why 3d is being pushed so much is because
A: Its impossible to record from the back of the cinema- so no more dodgy DVD's being sold prior to official release. This means far less revenue lost to pirates- you have to go to the cinema to see it, so that equals bums on seats, which equals profit....
B: Cinemas have deals with distributors to show the films as part of the investment in projection technology.
so its pretty much here to stay. Its only a case of sorting out how to best use it, and whether its a tool or an addition.
D
Hadn't thought of Pirates. Curse them.
Quote from: Teivion on 06 August, 2010, 05:41:24 PM
A: Its impossible to record from the back of the cinema-
Unless some enterprising pirate realises that all he has to do it put one lens of his 3D glasses in front of the camera lens...
-- Mike
Quote from: Teivion on 06 August, 2010, 05:41:24 PMA: Its impossible to record from the back of the cinema-
Every single 3D movie I've seen so far has also been released in 2D at the cinemas simultaneously.
I have only watched Clash of the Titans in 3D and found myself enjoying the technology rather than following the film, so found it rather distracting. May take some getting used to.
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Quote from: vzzbux on 06 August, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
I have only watched Clash of the Titans in 3D and found myself enjoying the technology rather than following the film, so found it rather distracting. May take some getting used to.
I think that's a problem with Clash of the Titans, not you. ;)
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 August, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
I have only watched Clash of the Titans in 3D and found myself enjoying the technology rather than following the film, so found it rather distracting. May take some getting used to.
V
I've seen quite a few 3D movies now. Trust me, Clash of the Titans sucked. It was one of these movies that demonstrated you can have all the right ingredients in place, but the finished meal will still suck just as badly if you overcook it.
It will be a 2D Dredd for me.3D sucks and gives me a headache.It made Avatar even worse(if possible).
I saw Avatar and the 3d didn't really work for me either.
However about a month later I saw clips at a seminar on 3d film making, in a different cinema, and it was brilliant.
I don't know if anyone knows if the projector has to be set up to work properly, or the 3d stuff works 'out of the box ?
Saying that, Alice In Wonderland's 3d was pretty dull.
From what I gather Clash wasn't intended to be 3D, and wasn't filmed with that in mind. Rather, when Avatar started raking it in they did a quick 3D retooling of it, so I doubt it makes the most of the tech.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 August, 2010, 09:58:52 PM
From what I gather Clash wasn't intended to be 3D, and wasn't filmed with that in mind. Rather, when Avatar started raking it in they did a quick 3D retooling of it, so I doubt it makes the most of the tech.
I suppose they had to try something to rescue it from insipid mediocrity. It didn't work.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 08 August, 2010, 12:44:40 AM
It didn't work.
Clearly, they needed a clockwork owl.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 August, 2010, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 08 August, 2010, 12:44:40 AM
It didn't work.
Clearly, they needed a clockwork owl.
Cheers!
Jim
Even Sylvester Stallone's Judge Dredd would have been better with a clockwork owl!
i heard they were dubbing clint eastwoods voice on to the film,OJ :lol:
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd)
Apologies if its been posted before now.
It looks pretty much like a done deal and Karl Urban seems pretty enthusiastic about the whole thing.
Hats off to Uncle Gumpty who posted this way past my bedtime. Dedication or what?! :)
Super pumped after watching that,the guy seems like he wants to do a great faithfull job and not just collect a fat paycheck.No all i needs is a costume shot and i'm good untill the trailer,no spoilers for me ;)
so will they make the mistake of opening the film in the usa first ??
Quote from: das on 11 August, 2010, 06:23:34 PM
so will they make the mistake of opening the film in the usa first ??
Don't mind if they do. :D
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 11 August, 2010, 01:20:59 AM
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd)
Apologies if its been posted before now.
Watching that I can really see him doing a great job. I used the patented Rob Schneider Hand Over Face Check to see how I feel about the chin, and the feeling was good.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 11 August, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 11 August, 2010, 01:20:59 AM
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd)
Apologies if its been posted before now.
Watching that I can really see him doing a great job. I used the patented Rob Schneider Hand Over Face Check to see how I feel about the chin, and the feeling was good.
Are you sure it was patented by Rob Shitedner ? ;)
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 12 August, 2010, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 11 August, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 11 August, 2010, 01:20:59 AM
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/judge-dredd-2012/karl-urban-is-judge-dredd)
Apologies if its been posted before now.
Watching that I can really see him doing a great job. I used the patented Rob Schneider Hand Over Face Check to see how I feel about the chin, and the feeling was good.
Are you sure it was patented by Rob Shitedner ? ;)
More or less positive, it's how he made his millions.
I'm looking forward to the inevitable console game tie-in.
[spoiler]2 Player co-op mode, different routes/missions depending on whether you play as Dredd or Anderson etc.[/spoiler]
Quote from: James on 12 August, 2010, 08:31:53 PM
I'm looking forward to the inevitable console game tie-in.
[spoiler]2 Player co-op mode, different routes/missions depending on whether you play as Dredd or Anderson etc.[/spoiler]
I think in a game they would probably be together much of the time but you would switch between the two considering the type of mission. Maybe. Kind of like how they use Sam in Evil Dead: Regeneration. (Which probably doesn't ring any bells for a lot here. Maybe the gargoyle character in Primal would be a better example.)
so i FINALLY have completed collecting all the volumes of the megazine and getting around to Vol3.
first ten or so issues are all about the sly/dredd. and funny reading all the hate mail, but even funnier is how many of YOU all really go on & on with how good a movie it is.
and a lot of the same comments that i see in this thread.
just goes to show, it all comes around again.
Producers Confirmingly Confirm Urban is Dredd
The past couple of weeks have seen reports regugitate the Reel Late With Kate interview where Karl Urban apparently confirmed his role as Dredd, but no official announcement has been made, until now.
Producer, Andrew Macdonald, in an interview for Never Let Me Go (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1334260/) at Movie-Con III gave everyone the much needed confirming confirmation. Empire has the scoop (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28653).
Andrew Macdonald: "The main thing about Dredd is that it's a fantastic comic that was completely messed up twenty years ago. Our idea is to make a very hard, R-rated, gritty, realistic movie of Dredd in Mega City, so we've got to get the tone right. He's not going to take off his helmet. His bike is going to feel real. He's going to hit people and it's going to feel real. There's been a change in comic-book movies; they were treated unseriously and now they're treated seriously. We've cast a guy called Karl Urban to play Dredd. We'll be shooting in Johannesburg, it's being directed by Pete Travis, we're shooting with the people who did District 9 – and if we get it right, Alex has a couple of ideas for other stories as well. It's not based on any one comic, and John Wagner is involved in every decision.
"It's about economics. In the last film they had epic architecture, but then they had to make it for everyone. Then they had to cast a moviestar, so then you had to see his face. But the most important thing for us is getting the tone right, so it's not going to be a fantasy place, it's going to be a real place, and we're going to make it for the same price that District 9 was made for."
More of the interview can be found with Empire here (http://www.empireonline.com/movie-con).
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
and we're going to make it for the same price that District 9 was made for."
The budget for District 9 was $30 million, I thought Dredd was supposed to be $50 million? That's a big difference. I hope he's wrong.
I hope not, they can make an amazing movie for 30 mill, and with that budget, the threshold for a sequel is lower. Good stuff.
Maybe the 50 mill are prodcution + advertising?
Do we know who is distributing yet?
Quote from: Garageman on 13 August, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
and we're going to make it for the same price that District 9 was made for."
The budget for District 9 was $30 million, I thought Dredd was supposed to be $50 million? That's a big difference. I hope he's wrong.
I'm not that fussed about the budget, as long as the tone is right I'm booking my ticket. Besides 'District 9' looked like a film twice it's budget, although I found the end result rather disappointing.Don't forget also that Stallone's involvement in the last Dredd film ate up at least 20 million dollars of that films budget.
A success at the box office for the new Dredd film equals a sequel with a bigger budget and a wider scope.
And John Wagner's involved this time! :D
Bring it on! :thumbsup:
Quoteif we get it right, Alex has a couple of ideas for other stories as well
Exciting stuff!
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM...and John Wagner is involved in every decision.
I'll never get bored of hearing this.
And the clockwork owl did make an appearance in the Clash of the Titans remake. I thought it was alright actually. Though I thought they were smart to keep the running time down so that's probably not a good sign.
It appears that the saddo whos name I dare not speak has made it over to the Empire forum!
Get the straight-jacket!
Quote from: Garageman on 13 August, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
and we're going to make it for the same price that District 9 was made for."
The budget for District 9 was $30 million, I thought Dredd was supposed to be $50 million? That's a big difference. I hope he's wrong.
I think its a mixed blessing and in todays falsely generated economic climate its more than i would ever have expected in terms of expecting a film that is a financial risk being made at all.
Also a bigger budget would have meant more of a widescale set but a bigger budget film would stand to lose more if it wasnt a success and if that happened there would be no more JD films ever so in a sense its better to start small with hopefully a low budget success like District 9 and then get bigger if another film is made.
Think of Terminator.James Cameron would have liked a bigger budget but ultimately you do the best you can with the resources that you have and anyway a bigger budget doesnt automatically mean a better film any more than a low budget resulting in a worse film.
Its all ultimately going to rely on how good a director the film has and unfortunately we wont know until we watch the film.
At least thats the way i see it and i am more thinking out loud rather than just contradicting your comment as you have more knowledge of filmmaking than i do.
There's a limit to how low your budget can go unless you want direct to DVD.
Quote from: Garageman on 13 August, 2010, 11:43:21 PM
There's a limit to how low your budget can go unless you want direct to DVD.
Or a very short showing at cimemas like i week or something like that.
Another thing that hasnt really been talked about much is how District 9 had an internet promotional campaign going on long before the film was out and thats how it got my attention and interest and i have very little interest in seeing films anymore.
The JD film would have to do the same thing to generate interest in it before anyone starts saying District 9 was a big success with a budget of 30 million without taking that into consideration.
Of course with an online promo campaign and website 2000 will be promoted as well by default so its a win-win situation and if Rebellion and the makers of the film dont do this then they are shooting themselves in the foot as they are going to have to work hard to make this film a success.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
Our idea is to make a very hard, R-rated, gritty, realistic movie of Dredd in Mega City[/b], so we've got to get the tone right. He's not going to take off his helmet. His bike is going to feel real. He's going to hit people and it's going to feel real. There's been a change in comic-book movies; they were treated unseriously and now they're treated seriously.
More of the interview can be found with Empire here (http://www.empireonline.com/movie-con).
this great ! just what i wanted to hear!!!
anything less then a R rating would have frankly nuked the project.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 13 August, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
It appears that the saddo whos name I dare not speak has made it over to the Empire forum!
Get the straight-jacket!
And someone else seems to have joined up just to argue with him. Using a virtually identical username. Which kind of makes it look like he's arguing with himself.
Every statement by these people is making me more optimistic about this movie. To have Urban confirmed and to know that Garland is already contemplating sequels were welcome nuggets but the overall attitude just seems spot on.
Quote from: Garageman on 13 August, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 August, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
and we're going to make it for the same price that District 9 was made for."
The budget for District 9 was $30 million, I thought Dredd was supposed to be $50 million? That's a big difference. I hope he's wrong.
His statement about 'the same budget as District 9' is I think not entirely accurate, he just meant in the same ball park in other words its not a mega budget movie. He's just trying to get across that District 9 didn't have much of a budget but still manged to be one of the best Sci-Fis of recent times.
If you notice elsewhere in his statement he made reference to the Stallone Dredd being made 20 years ago when it was closer to 15. Some people just use fuzzy logic or over/under play things to get their point across.
I think it was previously widely reported that the budget is around about the $45 - $50 mil mark, but who knows how much of that is for marketing - perhaps thats a separate thing that they decide if the finished product is good enough to commit more cash for promotion.
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 August, 2010, 01:23:31 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 13 August, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
It appears that the saddo whos name I dare not speak has made it over to the Empire forum!
Get the straight-jacket!
And someone else seems to have joined up just to argue with him. Using a virtually identical username. Which kind of makes it look like he's arguing with himself.
He is arguing with himself because @dreddhead and @dreddhead123 are both Scott.
@dreddhead - "Newbie" - 8 posts
@dreddhead123 - "newbie" - 12 posts
All on the same thread.The odd thing is that they joined at different times - a year apart from each other and thats interesting.Its probably not possible to open two accounts at once at least not from the same IP address so if they are both Scott then opening one account and letting it lie dormant and then opening another a year later may be a way of bypassing that problem.It also makes them slightly more convincing as seperate forum members if you dont read between the lines.
If they are both newbies then how is it that @dreddhead knows that @dreddhead 123 writes his own JD scripts ?
@dreddhead writes - Or are you going to post your excuse for a script yet aye ?
Just how does @dreddhead know this about @dreddhead123 ?
Then right on cue his script appears because he prompted it himself.
As things progress then the usual sort of thing will happen and Scott will try to sabotage as many threads and forums as possible to do with the film and he chose Empire because its high profile.
Someone should tip off whoever looks after the Empire forum about Scott before it escalates.
That all sounds very creative- how good is this script that he's been writing?
:-[ I'm a div. I just figured that someone was having a pop at him.
In my defence I'm really very sleep deprived at the minute. In my natural state I'm much more cynical.
I have a theory about dreddhead. He is just a guy that is more excited about the new movie than anyone else- just took a look at that Empire thread and if he is both guys he seems to see both sides of the argument quite clearly.
He is the ultimate DreddHead even down to writing a full screenplay himself - he wants to debate the movie so much if there isn't anyone else in the room he's gonna look in the mirror like the Green Goblin or Smeagol and argue with himself.
I'm Pretty sure He's the one that posted these vids on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69PkBX-_l-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azex55kgceo&feature=channel
I think the jokes on us for falling into his trap of thinking he's serious about attacking the film, hes clearly not. Just so excited that he's blown a gasket and doesn't know what to do with himself.
I commend the man.
I don't know the full history of him on this forum but obviously he has uncontrollable creative urges that must be satisfied.
Somebody for GODS SAKE READ HIS SCRIPT before we have to go to DEFCON 1!
QuoteI don't know the full history of him on this forum but obviously he has uncontrollable creative urges that must be satisfied.
He accused someone (that he had never met) of being a paedophile, laughed at someone when their cat died and has completely destroyed at least one 2000 AD related messageboard.
Quote from: drich90212 on 14 August, 2010, 03:08:12 AM
I have a theory about dreddhead. He is just a guy that is more excited about the new movie than anyone else- just took a look at that Empire thread and if he is both guys he seems to see both sides of the argument quite clearly.
He is the ultimate DreddHead even down to writing a full screenplay himself - he wants to debate the movie so much if there isn't anyone else in the room he's gonna look in the mirror like the Green Goblin or Smeagol and argue with himself.
I'm Pretty sure He's the one that posted these vids on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69PkBX-_l-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azex55kgceo&feature=channel
I think the jokes on us for falling into his trap of thinking he's serious about attacking the film, hes clearly not. Just so excited that he's blown a gasket and doesn't know what to do with himself.
I commend the man.
I don't know the full history of him on this forum but obviously he has uncontrollable creative urges that must be satisfied.
Somebody for GODS SAKE READ HIS SCRIPT before we have to go to DEFCON 1!
You don't know how wrong you are.
They have been warned.
QuoteYou don't know how wrong you are.
OK so the guy really is unstable. I retract my earlier assessment of the situation.
Google 'scojo dredd' and you'll find out
Is it news that the Dredd Actor has been confirmed (over on SFX)?
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 August, 2010, 02:29:25 AM
:-[ I'm a div. I just figured that someone was having a pop at him.
In my defence I'm really very sleep deprived at the minute. In my natural state I'm much more cynical.
It was interesting and it gave me something to think about for 10 minutes but thats definately the first time i have seen anyone argue with themselves online or otherwise.
"You're an internet Troll !!!!"
:lol:
Anyway enough about that guy, I just think its good news that the tone of the script by Alex Garland is not going to be watered down.
A big reason why I liked the script is that it pulled no punches, it had that Robocop feel of over the top violence that is very much in keeping with the comic. And the story was well paced.
Hollywood studios nowadays all seem to be toning down films just to appeal to the tween market. Like they're the only ones that go to see movies. Lucky this isn't really a Hollywood movie.
QuoteQuote:Empire Online: Karl Urban has been confirmed for the leading role in Judge Dredd by producers Andrew Macdonald and Allon Reich of the new film. Urban had been rumoured for the role already, but in a Movie-Con Q&A this evening the pair confirmed that he has been cast for the film, shooting in South Africa soon.
"The main thing about Dredd is that it's a fantastic comic that was completely messed up 20 years ago," said Macdonald. "Our idea is to make a very hard, R-rated, gritty, realistic movie of Dredd in Megacity, so we've got to get the tone right. He's not going to take off his helmet. His bike is going to feel real. He's going to hit people and it's going to feel real."
"There's been a change in comic-book movies; they were treated unseriously and now they're treated seriously. We've cast a guy called Karl Urban to play Dredd. We'll be shooting in Johannesburg, it's being directed by Pete Travis, we're shooting with the people who did District 9 – and if we get it right, Alex has a couple of ideas for other stories as well. It's not based on any one comic, and John Wagner is involved in every decision."
Anyone know whos doing the SFX?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 August, 2010, 09:23:33 PM
Anyone know whos doing the SFX?
Mat Irvine.*
Cheers!
Jim
*To nerds of a certain age, Mat Irvine may just have had the coolest job known to man.
I know what I'm doing...
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 14 August, 2010, 02:16:41 AM
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 14 August, 2010, 01:23:31 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 13 August, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
It appears that the saddo whos name I dare not speak has made it over to the Empire forum!
Get the straight-jacket!
And someone else seems to have joined up just to argue with him. Using a virtually identical username. Which kind of makes it look like he's arguing with himself.
He is arguing with himself because @dreddhead and @dreddhead123 are both Scott.
@dreddhead - "Newbie" - 8 posts
@dreddhead123 - "newbie" - 12 posts
All on the same thread.The odd thing is that they joined at different times - a year apart from each other and thats interesting.Its probably not possible to open two accounts at once at least not from the same IP address so if they are both Scott then opening one account and letting it lie dormant and then opening another a year later may be a way of bypassing that problem.It also makes them slightly more convincing as seperate forum members if you dont read between the lines.
If they are both newbies then how is it that @dreddhead knows that @dreddhead 123 writes his own JD scripts ?
@dreddhead writes - Or are you going to post your excuse for a script yet aye ?
Just how does @dreddhead know this about @dreddhead123 ?
Then right on cue his script appears because he prompted it himself.
As things progress then the usual sort of thing will happen and Scott will try to sabotage as many threads and forums as possible to do with the film and he chose Empire because its high profile.
Someone should tip off whoever looks after the Empire forum about Scott before it escalates.
Peter! I would so love it to be so, but Dreddhead is infact me!
I'd been following the links to the Empire site and I couldn't bite my lip any longer!
I know it was weak of me!
And for the love of Christ! I'm not Scojo! And you can print that on a bumper sticker!
frak ! can we please not use this topic (or any on this forum) for that drokking awfull starwars crap.
the first dredd movie is better then that lucas trash !!!
gauntlet thrown.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 14 August, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
Peter! I would so love it to be so, but Dreddhead is infact me!
I'd been following the links to the Empire site and I couldn't bite my lip any longer!
I know it was weak of me!
And for the love of Christ! I'm not Scojo! And you can print that on a bumper sticker!
This makes me feel better.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 August, 2010, 09:23:33 PM
Anyone know whos doing the SFX?
I've not come across any hints of that, but it's likely to be a bunch of different small effects houses rather than the big names. Our own Steve Green let me know of Altered State (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/194030501020), a VFX company in Cape Town which is working on some aspect of the production. From their portfolio I'd guess that'll be in the area of props, set-dressing and practical effects, or perhaps previsualization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Previsualization).
I did some digging a few weeks ago and came across the newly constructed Cape Town Film Studio (http://www.capetownfilmstudios.co.za/), and since Altered State have said they're relocating to just north of the site, I'm certain that's where the filming will take place.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 15 August, 2010, 01:36:43 AM
I've not come across any hints of that, but it's likely to be a bunch of different small effects houses rather than the big names. Our own Steve Green let me know of Altered State (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/194030501020), a VFX company in Cape Town which is working on some aspect of the production. From their portfolio I'd guess that'll be in the area of props, set-dressing and practical effects, or perhaps previsualization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Previsualization).
Looks like they've started:
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/ALTDESIGN.jpg)
Very badass. The helmet is truly the most important part, I'd say the shoulders are the second.
then the cock, the knees, the balls...
followed closely by boots, the boots are a big aspect.
I'd assumed when they said they were working with the District 9 guys they meant that meant their effects guys. Think it was a collaberation between Weta and someone else?
No, its just the South african producer of District 9
QuoteDreddhead is infact me!
Ha! Apologies!
I've posted a link to the Minty site and Steve's Showreel on Altered States' Facebook, just to show them that they can stay faithful to the true vision of Dredd!
Any chance of our fine Minty team getting involved, .... they've designed pretty much everything (helmet, costumes, fire arms, CGI bike). Would cut costs if the South Africa people took some of this excellent work on board.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 14 August, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
Peter! I would so love it to be so, but Dreddhead is infact me!
I'd been following the links to the Empire site and I couldn't bite my lip any longer!
I know it was weak of me!
And for the love of Christ! I'm not Scojo! And you can print that on a bumper sticker!
You naughty boy.Go upstairs to your bedroom.
:D
... And Peter will be waiting for you.
He has a ladder ;-)
Quote from: LARF on 15 August, 2010, 05:33:32 PM
... And Peter will be waiting for you.
He has a ladder ;-)
It took 2.5 hrs use of various coercive interrogation tecniques to get the confession out of @dweezil2 but stupidly i didnt get his address.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 15 August, 2010, 08:41:48 PM
Quote from: LARF on 15 August, 2010, 05:33:32 PM
... And Peter will be waiting for you.
He has a ladder ;-)
It took 2.5 hrs use of various coercive interrogation tecniques to get the confession out of @dweezil2 but stupidly i didnt get his address.
Yeah! But you loved every dirty moment of it!
:D
Filed under non-news!
The Heat Vision blog at The Hollywood Reporter covers the Urban casting, and says:
Several studios are lining up to ask "Dredd" to the dance but the production team wants to line up the female lead before signing any distribution deal.
http://heatvision.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/08/karl-urban-judge-dredd.html
Feature film distribution is mostly done by a handful of big media corporations (Sony, Warners, Fox etc), and covers theatrical release, TV rights, DVD etc.
Good to know this production is generating such a positive buzz! :D
Now that sounds like great things are expected with this lot clambering for the rights.
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 18 August, 2010, 09:40:43 PM
Now that sounds like great things are expected with this lot clambering for the rights.
Yeah I was a little perturbed that instead of emphasizing its comic origins they went with the "remake of the Sylvester Stallone vehicle" angle though!
All shall become clear they are not as informed as us :)
Going back to the casting for Anderson, I'd be very happy if Alice Eve was to get the part. I'm not sure how she'd handle an action type role as a judge, but my obsession with her is growing to near unhealthy levels and I want to see her in more films.
I actually cannot believe how well this is going. Surely there will be bumps somewhere?
Jennifer Garner of 'Electra' fame for Anderson. She's got the looks and ability to handle all the high octane action they're promoting!
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 August, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Jennifer Garner of 'Electra' fame for Anderson. She's got the looks and ability to handle all the high octane action they're promoting!
Really? I don't think she really looks anything like Anderson though. (Apart from both being well endowed ladies.) Even if you did dye her hair blond.
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 August, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Jennifer Garner of 'Electra' fame for Anderson. She's got the looks and ability to handle all the high octane action they're promoting!
she's not that nice. And she's a pretty terrible actress. I like the look of Alice Eve though.
Both Alice Eve and (now I've seen 28 Weeks Later) Imogen Poots have the yummm factor.
Your Right about Alice Eve and I don't think she's doing that x-men thing anymore either.
She's got got big teeth though.
(http://www.thecinemasource.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/alice_eve-shes_out_of_my_league-1.jpg)
Her Teeth have Teeth.
Looks like this is all old news to y'all but to me, this news is fresh ink, and has made me grin like an idiot. Cant wait
Quote from: dracula1 on 19 August, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Jennifer Garner of 'Electra' fame for Anderson. She's got the looks and ability to handle all the high octane action they're promoting!
I respectably disagree with Spaceghost's [probably wrong and uninformed] opinion. Jennifer Garner is indeed hot. That Eve girl looks nice but I hope the Dredd film isn't cursed by a Mega City version of Megan Fox. All arse and no brains. That's my criteria for a girlfriend, not Judge Anderson.
Though I do wish Cassy was my girl. :thumbsup:
Jennifer Garner retired to bring up Ben Afflecks kids.Who ever play Anderson better wear a tight uniform if shes to live up to my kiddie comic crush.
Still think that Cuckcoo lass off Big bang theory would be a good one (as suggested on here by someone)shes got the dizzy sass down.
I'm glad Anderson is in it, she's a great character, and a fun one.
Very excited for this movie, and you've got to love how John Wagner described the script as a "high-octane slay ride through the dark underbelly of a vast futuristic city."
Slay ride, that's an awesome phrase.
At the risk of incurring terrible wrath,
[spoiler]Anderson is a rookie in the new film so the actress would have to be reasonably young, quite a bit younger than Karl Urban at least.[/spoiler]
Bridget Regan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2125623/) would be a great choice for Anderson, she kicked ass in Legend of the Seeker. She's a redhead who dyed her hair brunette for recent roles, she could go blonde for this one.
In finding out who Alice Eve and her teeth were I discovered she once played a braless lesbian nanny... in Sex and the City 2. Please don't give me a reason to watch a film that otherwise could have been specifically designed to keep me away from it.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 20 August, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Bridget Regan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2125623/) would be a great choice for Anderson
..and
she was in
Sex and the City 1. Stoppit!
Can we please stop talking about Alice's (I feel I'm obsessed enough now to be on first name terms) teeth? She's just wonderful in every way. Christ I think I need professional help with this.
If they cast Alice Eve, does that mean the film will have more than a SHOESTRING budget?
Purely thinking with Little Keef, it's just struck me I'd quite like Jessica Beil as Anderson. She's got the figure to live up to my comic-crush, and they wouldn't need to blonde her up too much.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 18 August, 2010, 08:46:57 PM
The Heat Vision blog at The Hollywood Reporter covers the Urban casting
I'm pleased to see it says "the producers have said Urban will be hatted through most of the movie."
That's in contrast to Stallone, of course, who was hated through most of his movie.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 20 August, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Bridget Regan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2125623/) would be a great choice for Anderson, she kicked ass in Legend of the Seeker. She's a redhead who dyed her hair brunette for recent roles, she could go blonde for this one.
She did indeed, but I reckon Cara would be a better Anderson. She also kicked ass, looked incredibly good in tight leather (just add helmet, er that didn't come out right) and there were enough of those "different" episodes to show that could act fairly well. Just tone down the blusher love.
No photo but http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3248988/
Anybody up for Pammy Anderson as our Psi favourite ;) Her and the Mitchell Brothers were good in 'Barbed Wire' years back!
Quote from: dracula1 on 20 August, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
Anybody up for Pammy Anderson as our Psi favourite ;) Her and the Mitchell Brothers were good in 'Barbed Wire' years back!
Thank god for that smilie, I thought you might be serious. TELL ME YOU AREN'T SERIOUS??!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 20 August, 2010, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 20 August, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
Anybody up for Pammy Anderson as our Psi favourite ;) Her and the Mitchell Brothers were good in 'Barbed Wire' years back!
Thank god for that smilie, I thought you might be serious. TELL ME YOU AREN'T SERIOUS??!
That would kinda suck sh*t. I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Looks wise, totally. I don't know anything about her personally, but she could learn lines, and act - Job done
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Looks wise, totally. I don't know anything about her personally, but she could learn lines, and act - Job done
She was a plank of wood in Iron Man II
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Looks wise, totally. I don't know anything about her personally, but she could learn lines, and act - Job done
She was a plank of wood in Iron Man II
I've not seen it. She's good in Ghost World.
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Looks wise, totally. I don't know anything about her personally, but she could learn lines, and act - Job done
She was a plank of wood in Iron Man II
I've not seen it. She's good in Ghost World.
Round my house we call her Drama Plank, in reference to the fact that Keanu Reeves has always been known as Action Plank. Now she's expanding into action though, so I guess she's a diverse plank. Looks cracking though.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 21 August, 2010, 12:39:25 AM
Round my house we call her Drama Plank, in reference to the fact that Keanu Reeves has always been known as Action Plank. Now she's expanding into action though, so I guess she's a diverse plank. Looks cracking though.
Yeah, she's never convinced me she can act no matter how many indie flicks she's done and we had enough dramatis plankus in the last Dredd flick.
She's no Klaus Kinski, but I'd like to see her in the uniform. Maybe Pammy would be better, everytime I think of Anderson, I think peroxide, silicone and Hepatitis - ;)Bang on!
Sereously tho, I just think unknowns all the way.
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 21 August, 2010, 12:49:21 AM
She's no Klaus Kinski, but I'd like to see her in the uniform. Maybe Pammy would be better, everytime I think of Anderson, I think peroxide, silicone and Hepatitis - ;)Bang on!
Sereously tho, I just think unknowns all the way.
With the budget under, what? $50 million? they would have to look for a unknown which I am all for! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Garageman on 20 August, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: Sepp Salerno on 20 August, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
I see Anderson as more your Scarlett Johansson stock
That dull?
Thank God. I thought I was the only male on planet earth who didn't get his rocks off to Scarlett Johansaan.
The Biel idea intrigues me though.
Stallone's "salary" reduced the last flick's budget by about $20 million, so that evens things out a bit with this one...and then he did this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Dredd_stallone.JPG)
and these days he still doesn't get it:
QuoteBut I do look back on Judge Dredd as a real missed opportunity. It seemed that lots of fans had a problem with Dredd removing his helmet, because he never does in the comic books. But for me it is more about wasting such great potential there was in that idea; just think of all the opportunities there were to do interesting stuff with the Cursed Earth scenes. It didn't live up to what it could have been. It probably should have been much more comic, really humorous, and fun. What I learned out of that experience was that we shouldn't have tried to make it Hamlet; it's more Hamlet and Eggs...
QuoteIt probably should have been much more comic, really humorous, and fun.
Mm, because if there's one over-riding factor about Dredd since the very beginning it's that it's been 'really humorous and fun'.
:lol: brilliant.
Hang on! The Italian stallion is right, isnt he? Dredd has always been for me, primarily, a humorous and fun strip. One thats capable of so much more, yes, but from the off it was more often hilarious than serious. It's one of the many problems i have with that godawful 'peach trees' script thats knocking about: its not funny.
SBT
I really don't think it is that true these days with a lot of Wagner stories.
Many of the best JW strips are a bit more serious, America, Total War/Terror, The Pit, Sector House etc. compared to a lot of 80s strips.
That said, I only read the first few pages of Peach Trees.
If they can pitch it at the Robocop/District 9 balance of action and humour or even Die Hard I'll be happy.
There is humour in a lot of Dredd strips. Mainly of the black kind but it's certainly there.
One of the problems with the Dredd film was making it too campy. (Not that there isn't some campness in the comic too, particularly the costumes, but the balance went too far that way.) It was the stereotypical view of what a comic book movie should be.
That being said, I liked parts of it. Mainly the start and bits of the Cursed Earth stuff.
Humour; okay but Judge Dredd's set in a severe future city. And the city is grim and insane. Fashion, environmental design, city-scape, city-wide oppression- they take themselves far too seriously as the controlling forces of the future. This must be the satire. The citizens' all too human ways of coping with the insanity creates humour and pathos.
That's my take on it. If a directer feels he has to emphasise these to a camp opera he insults the readership. He insults the audience. Its plain as day, even filmed at night. Stylized comic book violence is where you can emphasise dramatic licence, futuristic/alternative world technology effectuation will govern the opera so, don't try too hard to understand Dredd. He's already here.
Quote from: Garageman on 21 August, 2010, 03:35:26 PM
Stallone's "salary" reduced the last flick's budget by about $20 million, so that evens things out a bit with this one...and then he did this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Dredd_stallone.JPG)
and these days he still doesn't get it:
QuoteBut I do look back on Judge Dredd as a real missed opportunity. It seemed that lots of fans had a problem with Dredd removing his helmet, because he never does in the comic books. But for me it is more about wasting such great potential there was in that idea; just think of all the opportunities there were to do interesting stuff with the Cursed Earth scenes. It didn't live up to what it could have been. It probably should have been much more comic, really humorous, and fun. What I learned out of that experience was that we shouldn't have tried to make it Hamlet; it's more Hamlet and Eggs...
I like Stallone, but he was just wrong for the part. Plus I don't know how the directer Danny Cannon even got the job? he was absolutely WRONG for the project!. Has anyone here read 'The Art of Judge Dredd'? One of the writers William Wisher said this in the opening page, on figuring out how to '
manhandle' the character...Quote
I remember looking at the comic book for the first time. The artwork was wonderful. Dark.Intense. The humour was edgy enough to cut glass with. Dredd. Cop Judge. Jury. And often, executioner. An unforgiving hero in a violent and frightening future. It was great. It was funny. It was powerful. I was hooked. But it was scary too. Because I mean let's face it the guy's a fascist. In any normal story he'd be the villain. It worked just fine in the comic. But to translate Dredd's world to the screen would take a big budget. And I wasn't sure how to keep Dredd who he was and make him someone I could really care about. And if I couldn't care about him, how could I hope to convince anyone else to?Now the underlined parts is what I have a problem with.
I mean a character doesn't have to be sympathetic or a underdog for a audience to care about
them. Dredd is not supposed to be a 'flawed' emotional character who talks feelings or being a pansy like 'Oh, poor me, I have all these cool powers, but I'm sad' Spider-Man. :lol: He is what he is and that's someone who kicks ASS first and asks questions latter (if you are lucky). He is a being who looks at the LAW as his Religion! If you look at him in a religious sense He's really a fundamentalist (in this case of the Law) in the extreme. And the people doing the first film just didn't get it!
QuoteHas anyone here read 'The Art of Judge Dredd'?
I actually have that somewhere but have never took it out of its shrink wrap.
V
It's a lovely book Vzzbux, there's some gorgeous Kev Walker art in there.
As for the Peach Trees script, there's plenty of very Dredd-like humour in there. Some of his one liners are excellent and could have come from Wagner himself. I'd hate Dredd to be played as an all out comedy, I think Steve's list of Dredd's best scripts is spot on, all of 'em have some humour but are really quite serious in tone. Having read the script, I'm really optimistic, I think there's some very sensible decisions being made.
In the spirit of radio 4, pete, i couldn't disagree more. Nervous of anything spoilery without being able to tag it on my phone... and, to be honest of tearing just an 'important' script to shreds on the official Rebellion forum- which i dont think would be smart or helpful. But, giving no details away, Dredd didnt read like the character i know, more a rough-approximation filtered through an 80s action flick, there was one visual that made me laugh in the whole thing- only one, and the villain's henchmen characters were straight out of batman. It reads, to me, like a first person shooter game adaptation, has a serious lapse of taste where one character is concerned, and hits too many of the same beats as the 95 version, often at exactly the same points in the narrative.
I hope its not the shooting script, and im aware (and its obvious from its lack of substance) that the director will make or break it, but even so im not going to praise it to the skies when it disappointed me so much.
SBT
Fair enough SBT, a fine response my friend!
We'll agree to disagree then you can laugh at me when I have egg all over my face on it's release!
No, let's fight about and call each other shitbags! :)
Personally, i have a feeling that no matter how bad i think the script is, it'll be a reasonably successful movie and the start of a franchise. There is a confidence about the script that the 95 one didnt have, and its not trying to be two or three things at once. Much depends on the director and the designs... But hey, if JT Pegg is anything to go by, they may have that sewn up! ;)
We'll see, and i cant wait til the stuff starts leaking out. Er, as it were.
But i just hope 'that scene' is excised before shooting starts. It's just horrible, tasteless and juvenile, and distressingly close to the centre of the movie, which MAY indicate the writer thinks its important. Especially as there's that under-developed stuff that runs alongside with (censored) and her reactions to (censored) in the (censored), that never really goes anywhere.
SBT
Yup SBT, ye shitbag, we're going to have to agree to... erm agree on that scene. It's crass, not big and not clever...
Personally i think Karl Urban (even though he`s a bit lacking in the chin department) will do a great job as Dredd,he`s a brilliant actor and has played some pretty gritty(hey :-X) roles. with todays computer fx and post production i`m betting the Mega City will be top notch, c`mon the last expedition into Dreddland looked pretty good, but was sadly let down by the story and unfortunate casting-i`m not knocking Stallone, he has his place, it`s just not in justice dept. i`ve just yesterday watched `Expendables` and loved it. I`m looking forwards to seeing the first offerings of Dredd Movie clips and eagerly await a trailer. It`s going to be a winner.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 August, 2010, 10:51:07 AM
No, let's fight about and call each other shitbags! :)
Personally, i have a feeling that no matter how bad i think the script is, it'll be a reasonably successful movie and the start of a franchise. There is a confidence about the script that the 95 one didnt have, and its not trying to be two or three things at once. Much depends on the director and the designs... But hey, if JT Pegg is anything to go by, they may have that sewn up! ;)
We'll see, and i cant wait til the stuff starts leaking out. Er, as it were.
But i just hope 'that scene' is excised before shooting starts. It's just horrible, tasteless and juvenile, and distressingly close to the centre of the movie, which MAY indicate the writer thinks its important. Especially as there's that under-developed stuff that runs alongside with (censored) and her reactions to (censored) in the (censored), that never really goes anywhere.
SBT
Okay, now I need to read it. Where can I read this script?
Just Google 'Leaked Judge Dredd Script' and its top of the shop.
Only read Judge Dredd for over a year now. Re-watched the old film and it made me cringe. Lets hope this is the one we've all been waiting for *fingers x'd*.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 22 August, 2010, 07:43:44 PM
Just Google 'Leaked Judge Dredd Script' and its top of the shop.
Thanks.
wouldnt it be creepy if dredd actually had stallones face under that helmet in the comics
sheesh
this STILL not finished yet? Don't they know I'm waiting here? ::)
Read all the script last night, seems pretty good, but I have a feeling that this one won't be used. Yes "ONE" meaning that there's bound to be others out there that haven't been leaked but I'd still go and watch this version when/if made.
Call me cynical but I think they leaked this to keep us sweet. In that "Leak that first draft of the script and see how it goes down?!" because it did seem like a quick draft. I thought proper scripts described lighting, background noise, camera angles and weather in every scene like, or something there or there about? So I don't know, I really want to believe it trust me but we'll wait and see.
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
I thought proper scripts described lighting, background noise, camera angles and weather in every scene like, or something there or there about?
Only if you're Scojo. Proper screenwriters know that the director will quite rightly take the hump at some uppity writer telling them how to do their job.
Cheers!
Jim
Yeah didn't think of that, sorry. But i bet theres writers out there like that.I think what I'm try say is that it just looked very bare bones to me. Or am I expecting to much lol.
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 10:39:09 PM
Yeah didn't think of that, sorry.
Good lord -- don't apologize to
me! I think it's a very common misconception, but as I understand it, it's actually the mark of an amateur screenwriter.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
Read all the script last night, seems pretty good, but I have a feeling that this one won't be used. Yes "ONE" meaning that there's bound to be others out there that haven't been leaked but I'd still go and watch this version when/if made.
It seems like rather a dumb way to do it as I can't imagine the basic idea of the story changing much and they didn't need to leak a whole screenplay to tell us the premise. This is a script that was handed out to prospective investors and distributors so it's no surprise it ended up on the web since it was out there. They needed to get as many people interested as possible since they needed the capital. They aren't like Lucasfilm who don't need to show scripts to anyone cos the money's all ready in place.
Plus, most people when they read a draft script who have never done it before find it a rather dull experience since there are no images, music to play along and they tend to come away with a rather underwhelming impression of what the film will be like, which is a mistaken belief as the script is not the film but the blueprint. So it doesn't pay off in the end to leak scripts.
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 10:26:32 PM
I thought proper scripts described lighting, background noise, camera angles and weather in every scene like, or something there or there about?
No, not particularly. It is adviasble to have as little description as possible, where the scene is set and maybe camera angles. Flowery descriptions are discouraged, they're not novels, they need to communicate the basic actions to director and actors. Everything else atmos, lighting, "emotion" is designed, created during pre-production and the shoot. It's not a script writers job to use subjective language in screenplays as it means nothing and doesn't really give a sense of pace or action and can't be translated to mean anything directly to the screen. The idea is for the basic structure/incident/subtext of the story to come through the basic scene directions and dialogue.
Right I get it now. I don't know much about screenwriting (I never was good at anything like that a school) but you've cleared everything up a bit, so thank you Garageman and Jim Campbell.
I take it a slightly more detailed one will go through at some point when everything is ok'd by investors?
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 11:17:07 PM
Right I get it now. I don't know much about screenwriting (I never was good at anything like that a school) but you've cleared everything up a bit, so thank you Garageman and Jim Campbell.
I take it a slightly more detailed one will go through at some point when everything is ok'd by investors?
If anything, moving towards more drafts to a final shooting script it gets pared down to a minimum, scenes broke down etc. Anything that changes will be dialogue or new scenes written, others cut out. The whole idea is to cut the fat out that doesn't relate to what can be shot.
So everything gets broken down into scenes, then the scenes get broken down to dialogue and scene settings etc.?
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 23 August, 2010, 11:29:56 PM
So everything gets broken down into scenes, then the scenes get broken down to dialogue and scene settings etc.?
The script stays a script in it's final pared down form as a shooting script which has basic action and dialogue for the crew and for the shoot. Each scene is given a number as the script is broken down into a shooting schedule because scenes are shot
out of order and only the pages for that day's shooting are generally used by the crews etc. Pages are often coloured different -for script revisions etc- so everyone should have the same colour on that particular day to avoid confusion with older versions of scripts which may be still around. The director/actors/crews will write their own notes on their own copies marking dialogue, extra directions etc. It can get more complicated but that's the gist.
I get it now, I apologise for the hassle.
What would be your ideal Dredd story for this new movie Garageman?
Quote from: SpongeJosh on 24 August, 2010, 12:01:58 AM
I get it now, I apologise for the hassle.
What would be your ideal Dredd story for this new movie Garageman?
The "trapped in a city block" idea in the "peach trees" script is pretty good and presumably has been chosen to exploit the medium budget while ginving us an insight into everyday life in the Meg. I haven't read the script cos I don't want to spoil it too much but I don't care for the Anderson angle as I prefer a more stripped down approach to the job of Judging without the intrusion of "psychic powers" and all that but I can understand why they went fo it with the whole mind/drug aspect. The rookie angle is great too.
Other Dredd stories like "The Pit" would be of similar vein except the judges end up defending a Sector House from a siege ala "Assault on Presinct 13" rather than trapped in a City Block.
I think something like "Mandroid" could be an interesting adaptation with a bit of tweaking or something akin to the Dredd procedurals like "Satan's Island/Sin City". Stories like "Graveyard Shift" are interesting but not enough in and of themselves to work alone and need more meat but would make good starting points. The political stories like "America" & "Total War" would be the bigger and better challenge but not right for an intro, maybe.
There are a couple of smaller stories that could be combined or amalgamated but It boils down to distilling all the basic ideas central to Dredd into a direct form in a 120 page script and how to work that into a certain budget.
http://www.thecallsheet.co.za/v/1394
QuoteDNA Films, the makers of Trainspotting, The Beach and The Last King of Scotland, chose Cape Town Film Studios for the production of Judge Dredd. DNA producer, Andrew McDonald, says "The film is not location specific and could have been made in any country in the world The affordability of South Africa as a film destination and the new high tech Cape Town Film Studios provided us with the ideal combination."
I just came here to say that! :)
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/08/pre-prod-officially-underway-at-cape.html
QuoteNico Dekker, CEO of Cape Town Film Studios, South Africa's largest and newest film studio, announced that the studio has secured the first major 3D action film to be made in Africa, Judge Dredd. This popular comic book figure, initially brought to life on the big screen by Sylvester Stallone, will once again grace the big screen. Nico says it is a major breakthrough for the studio and the country to have secured a production of this caliber before the official construction phase of Cape Town Film Studios has been finished. Cape Town Film Studios, which will officially only open its doors in October this year, is the first custom built Hollywood style film studio complex of its kind in Africa.
Nico said that the production will be spending over US$20 million in South Africa. Normally for every Rand spent on production, an economic impact factor of 2.5 is accrued. This means that the production will have an economic impact factor on Cape Town and South Africa of US$50 million.
DNA Films, the makers of Trainspotting, The Beach and The Last King of Scotland, chose Cape Town Film Studios for the production of Judge Dredd. DNA producer, Andrew McDonald, says "The film is not location specific and could have been made in any country in the world The affordability of South Africa as a film destination and the new high tech Cape Town Film Studios provided us with the ideal combination."
Pete Travis who recently directed End Game and is known for his direction of Vantage Point, is the director of Judge Dredd.
Michael Murphey, who was co-responsible for the production of the blockbuster film District 9, will act as co-producer. Michael says, "Cape Town Film Studios provides the ideal location for the making of this exciting new DNA project." Michael, an American filmmaker who worked for Miramax and major Hollywood based production companies, was based in Los Angeles for most of his life. He rates Cape Town Film Studios among "the best film studio complexes of its kind in the world."
Andrew and his core film team recently visited Cape Town Film Studios to prepare for their up and coming production. His team included Mark Digby, the set designer of Slumdog Millionaire; the Oscar-winning cinematographer Anthony Dod Mantle; the writer of The Beach, Alex Garland; and the assistant director of Sherlock Holmes, Lee Grumett.
Andrew says they can't wait to return and start the production.
The pre-production for Judge Dredd officially started on Monday, 23 August at Cape Town Film Studios and the physical production will conclude in March 2011. Nico says that the studio was ready to receive the pre-production team on Monday and that they are fully aware that final phase of construction at the studio will continue until end September 2011. He says that Judge Dredd is a dream production to start with since it is largely studio based, extremely high tech and will also explore new ways of film making. "Judge Dredd will use most of the available 17 000 square meters (200 000 square feet) of production facilities and will be based at Cape Town Film Studios for the duration of the production," says Nico.
He added that Judge Dredd was the first production to confirm and that various other international films are interested to film at the studio. "We are receiving a constant flow of interest from local and international producers."
Anant Singh, chairman of Cape Town Film Studios, says "Securing Judge Dredd as the first production at Cape Town Film Studios is a major breakthrough for the studios and sets the tone for the future. Our vision to create an exceptional, world-class facility for South African and international films is now an exciting reality." Anant predicts that the studio will help to herald a new phase of filmmaking in South Africa by attracting productions that would usually not consider coming to the country.
Four major sound stages, multipurpose workshops, art departments, make-up rooms, wardrobe rooms, star rooms, production offices, green rooms and storage spaces form part of the first phase of the studio. Cape Town Film Studios is owned and financed by Anant Singh's Videovision Entertainment and Marcel Golding's Sabido Investments (the owners of e.tv and e.sat).
Submitted by Cape Town Film Studios
Posted on 25 Aug 2010
So, it looks like it's happening then. :D
Thank Grud! for that, about drokkin' time.
Great news, exciting stuff. Let the games begin!
Now all we need is a spy on set with a camera phone.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 25 August, 2010, 08:24:54 PM
Now all we need is a spy on set with a camera phone.
No, we don't.
I sincerely hope no spy pics leak, as no good can come of that.
Such pictures are low resolution, feature the cast out of character, and are by default neither properly lit nor colour timed - meaning that regardless of how good the final movie might look in the end, such pictures will make the movie
look like it's going to be crap. If such pics leak prior to the official, properly lit photos which actually represent what the movie will look like are out, the online movie community will judge the movie down the drain based on the leaked pics.
Case in point, Jason Momoa looks pretty damn good as the new Conan. He'll own the role in a way Schwarzenegger ever could, as Arnold was even more miscast as Conan than Stallone ever was as Dredd. Sadly, many have already determined that Momoa has no business being Conan, wince he was judged by spy shots where he was smiling and relaxing off camera. Those pics spread like wildfire, and generated nothing but negative hype.
I'd rather wait for the official pictures of Judge Dredd.
A bit of footage from an interview with Urban at SDCC (so I'm not sure if this hasn't surfaced in a different form):
Quote"I can say that the producers of this film are going to make a very gritty, hardcore, faithful adaptation of the comic," said Urban. "Mr. Wagner, who created the character, and Jock, one of the key artists, have been on board as collaborators right from the beginning."
"It is no way related to any previous film versions," he added, distancing the film from 1995's critically panned "Judge Dredd" movie starring Sylvester Stallone.
"I'm thrilled to bits about this opportunity," said Urban. "I've been reading 'Dredd' in one form or another for 25 years, so to be given the opportunity to portray such an enigmatic, iconic comic book character is one that I'm absolutely elated about."
Unfortunately:
Quote"Judge Dredd" is expected to begin filming soon and hit theaters in 2012.
That seems a long way off - I wonder if anyone will opt for suspended animation until then? If so take this as a warning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/08/26/karl-urban-judge-dredd/
Quote from: Emperor on 26 August, 2010, 06:58:16 PM
Unfortunately:
Quote"Judge Dredd" is expected to begin filming soon and hit theaters in 2012.
That seems a long way off - I wonder if anyone will opt for suspended animation until then? If so take this as a warning:
2012 was always the proposed release date ever since the option was first announced, so it's no surprise, in fact I'd be very worried if they said it was coming out next Summer considering the amount of production involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSN11HkB4UM&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: drich90212 on 27 August, 2010, 10:25:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSN11HkB4UM&feature=player_embedded
I just hope the movie going public in this country (U.S.A) aren't tired of ''comic book'' movies by the time this is released.
This movie will have a TON of competition in 2012. :think:
If they are filming over Christmas it could easily be ready for a late 2011/early 2012 release.
Can't wait to see the production and costume designs for this, infoon that should be hitting the net fairly soon I'd think.
I wanted to check out Peter Travis' form as a director. Although the critics bashed Vantage point, it went straight to the U.S. Box Office number 1.
He's been in cahoots with Paul Greengrass of the Bourne phenomenon since Omagh. This interview gave me a little insight into the director's approach.
http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Film-Review/vantage-point-pete-travis-interview (http://www.indielondon.co.uk/Film-Review/vantage-point-pete-travis-interview)
This point on his film strategies.
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QuoteBut I think we've both come from a tradition where we love to use the camera in a realistic way – we're both influenced by directors such as Alan Clarke and Costa Gavros. And I think we've both come up telling stories in a way that's true – but also that the truth of the story can be told by the way the camera can tell its story and the fact that by putting the camera and making it feel like it's really there and what you're seeing has a realism to it, it also has an emotional quality. I think a lot of people don't get hand-held cinematography – it gets used in a kind of gimmicky, ridiculous way most of the time. But I think it's an emotional tool and both Paul and I recognise that it's a tool that can tell an emotional story in a powerful way. In the same way that Paul used it on United 93 and I used it on Omagh, on big movies like Vantage Point and Bourne it's also a tool that can be very, very exciting. You can make the action more exciting. You can really feel like you're in the car during the car chases and the explosions really feel like you're caught up in them.
Quote from: Krombasher on 28 August, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
I wanted to check out Peter Travis' form as a director. Although the critics bashed Vantage point, it went straight to the U.S. Box Office number 1.
I got Vantage point just to see what he was like.And he good,solid direction,got a half decent performance out of the cast and it was well shot.I've seen better thrillers but he was good,seeing as its also one of his first big films im not worried.Could have been Eli Roth or Lois Letterier.
heh as long as we get the real DREDD.JUDGE JURY EXOCUTIONER
Is there going to be Future swearing (Drokk, Stomm) or is it all F*ck this & F*ck that?
In the future, swearing will not exist.
Quote from: Garageman on 28 August, 2010, 08:41:55 PM
In the future, swearing will not exist.
I meant in the 'movie' :crazy:
However that is a pretty good question.
Will 'swearing' become so common place in the future that it's no longer considered 'nasty' or 'dirty' to say? :lol:
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 28 August, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
Is there going to be Future swearing (Drokk, Stomm) or is it all F*ck this & F*ck that?
Script I read didn't have Drokk, Stomm etc... but could easily be added if the filmmakers so wished I guess.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 29 August, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 28 August, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
Is there going to be Future swearing (Drokk, Stomm) or is it all F*ck this & F*ck that?
Script I read didn't have Drokk, Stomm etc... but could easily be added if the filmmakers so wished I guess.
If the movie doesn't have DROKK or STOMM the producers are taking this WAY to seriously (and a missed opportunity) I mean can you imagine hearing DROKK! or STOMM! in public? they could be the new ''FRAK''. :lol:
dont know why they did,nt use the comic helmet in that 95 movie.geehs judge minty has done with no prob,s
There are certain aspects I can see why they did it - the padded neck/cutaway to make it easier to look up.
The wider visor and the removal of the nosebridge is a bit odd, even with a narrow visor it's fine to see out of (provided you have the right material), and it's not as if they had to do much in the way of stunts wearing it...
What percentage of the 95 film did Stallone wear the helmet? Couldn't have been much so comfort and peripheral vision wouldn't/shouldn't have come into it. Fucktards.
V
Quote from: Steve Green on 29 August, 2010, 09:11:21 PM
There are certain aspects I can see why they did it - the padded neck/cutaway to make it easier to look up.
The wider visor and the removal of the nosebridge is a bit odd, even with a narrow visor it's fine to see out of (provided you have the right material), and it's not as if they had to do much in the way of stunts wearing it...
i have 3 comic helmets and i have no problem seeing out them up and down.and a film one don post that is.
I just checked Boxofficemojo To see how the Stallone version performed and it ain't pretty.
Total Lifetime Grosses USA $34,693,481 30.6%
+ Foreign: $78,800,000 69.4%
= Worldwide: $113,493,481
Domestic(USA)Summary Opening Weekend: $12,291,536
(#5 rank, 2,204 theaters, $5,576 average)
% of Total Gross: 35.4%
> View All 4 Weekends
Widest Release: 2,204 theaters
I'm hoping the new film performs better in the US market this time around.
The flick made $78 million overseas, now was this due to Stallone or because people knew who DREDD was?
I'm excited for the new film, I read 'Peach Trees' and if that's what ends up on screen, you'll hear no complaints from me, although that script seems to imply that Justice Dept. has no Psi Div, which is an odd angle.
Karl Urban, eh? Well at least it was anyone BUT Jason Statham! Statham would have been an instant "I'm not paying to see it"
For the record, Stallone wasn't great in the role but at least looked good with the helmet on. That movie is crap though :S
Which Box-Office is more important for this new Film?
The U.S. or Worldwide?
Because I have a bad feeling that it won't make back it's $50 million Budget stateside. :think:
Worldwide. Money is money afterall. It really bugs me when people only state the US take for a film, like ships fall of the edge of the Earth when they leave BP-owned waters.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 30 August, 2010, 01:03:38 AM
I have a bad feeling that it won't make back it's $50 million Budget stateside. :think:
I have the same bad feeling. This movie wont make it's money back. Although it's 'zarjaz' to us, I just can't see the movie-going public, paying to see something they know nothing about. I have no doubt it will be truer to what Dredd is than that Stallone crud was, but it just isn't financially viable making a Dredd film. The only way I could see Dredd making it on celluloid, is as a manga style cartoon series.
....my few groats worth!
Quote from: minus on 30 August, 2010, 03:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 30 August, 2010, 01:03:38 AM
I have a bad feeling that it won't make back it's $50 million Budget stateside. :think:
I have the same bad feeling. This movie wont make it's money back. Although it's 'zarjaz' to us, I just can't see the movie-going public, paying to see something they know nothing about.
Well, the movie going public didn't have a clue about IRONMAN and look how well that movie did.
However that was PG-13 so more people could go to it, whereas Judge Dredd will be a HARD R thus fewer buts in seats.
It's possible it may pull a ''PUNISHER'' (Thomas Jane version) and make most of it's money by DVD rentals/purchases.
Ah well you may indeed know otherwise. I seriously live under a rock these days. I haven't been to a cinema for at least a decade, and haven't had a TV for half as long. I was under the impression that everyone downloaded videos for 'free' these days. It just seems like an awful lot of money to try recuperate!
I'm looking forward to the movie! Not so keen on the 'peach tree' block name though. I'm fighting with Dan Tanner all the way!
D9 made back its budget and then some and nobody heard of that before.I would be quite happy with a 15,leave the language out and it should be ok.Centurion for example was gory as hell and that was a 15,enough brutality for Dredd and more chance of people seeing it.
To me, my first concern is; will this film struggle to find an American distributor? "Solomon Kane", which has been well recieved critically(particularly the fandom), still has no U.S. distributor. Same with "Dylan Dog: Dead of Night". Filming was finished for some substantial time now and there's still no release date for the U.S. Early screenings of it have been quite positive. So I hope "Judge Dredd" is more fortunate in this department than the former two.
Quote from: minus on 30 August, 2010, 03:22:22 AM
The only way I could see Dredd making it on celluloid, is as a manga style cartoon series.
Other animation styles are available. ;) Not that I dislike manga/anime* but I'd prefer a western animation style for Dredd. If we ever get an animation based around Hondo city characters by all means go the anime route.
As for the film making it's money back... I know drokk all about this. I'd be happy if they dropped the language and brought it down to 15 though. It's not as if there is much bad language in the strip anyway. Just go with the comic alternatives if they need them. I can understand why the creators might not wish to do that as this take is supposed to be gritty and realistic, but considering the massive changes that have gone on in the world in that period (nuclear war, totalitarian police-states, etc) a change in language isn't completely 'out there'.
Yes, I agree with what you are saying. I'm not into manga at all really... I guess I misused the term. Perhaps the money spent on this movie might have been a safer investment as well as being more inline with the comic book origins of the subject matter, if animated rather than filmed using actors etc. For the price, you could get several episodes too I imagine.
As for the 'rude words'... What is so wrong about the way 2000 AD got around this issue in the past? Nothing wrong with DROKK! I'd be all for the idea of substituting swearwords! It seems totally plausible to me that the future will have totally different offensive language to today.
I am not sure on Drokk. In the 95 abortion I did cringe a little when the cadet expleted the word Drokk. Maybe the shitness of the film clouded it but I doubt it.
Drokk creeping into american youth speak. 1:26 in and towards the end.
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/7/23/16/human-centipede-cosplay-19967-1279918389-24.jpg
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Quote from: minus on 30 August, 2010, 08:13:28 PM
As for the 'rude words'... What is so wrong about the way 2000 AD got around this issue in the past? Nothing wrong with DROKK! I'd be all for the idea of substituting swearwords! It seems totally plausible to me that the future will have totally different offensive language to today.
That's what I'm saying. I know they want this movie to be ultra gritty & 'realistic'
But I'd like this to at least be a little more Faithful to the books.
I mean I've never even seen the F-bomb used in Dredd & I'm a lifelong reader.
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 August, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
I am not sure on Drokk. In the 95 abortion I did cringe a little when the cadet expleted the word Drokk. Maybe the shitness of the film clouded it but I doubt it.
It sounded more like Dr
akk then Drokk. Man those guys couldn't even get the cursing right in that one.
Same here - personally I'd avoid it.
I think if you are going to have it, it needs to be used more and used more convincingly.
Just paying lipservice to it and having the occasional one doesn't work IMHO.
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 August, 2010, 09:07:21 PM
Same here - personally I'd avoid it.
I think if you are going to have it,it needs to be used more and used more convincingly.
Just paying lipservice to it and having the occasional one doesn't work IMHO.
I think that could be done with the current script.
Quote from: drich90212 on 27 August, 2010, 10:25:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSN11HkB4UM&feature=player_embedded
I notice they say Dredd was messed up in a movie "over 20 years ago", also in other interviews they say 20 years ago. 15 years, it's been 15 years people. :D
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 August, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
Drokk creeping into american youth speak. 1:26 in and towards the end.
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/7/23/16/human-centipede-cosplay-19967-1279918389-24.jpg
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I'm not sure that was the correct link? Thanks anyway. :)
Is the projected budget higher or lower than Sin City? I viewed the latter last night on Blu-Ray... very effective, all those CG sets, ideal for something like Dredd, even with the addition of colour.
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 August, 2010, 09:07:21 PM
Same here - personally I'd avoid it.
I think if you are going to have it, it needs to be used more and used more convincingly.
Just paying lipservice to it and having the occasional one doesn't work IMHO.
And if Anderson doesn't utter the immortal line "Grud On A greenie" I shall run from the cinema crying like a scolded five year old!
Higher, but Sin City was 5 years ago. (Budget $40,000)
- Steve
Quote from: dweezil2 on 31 August, 2010, 03:28:34 PM
And if Anderson doesn't utter the immortal line "Grud On A greenie" I shall run from the cinema crying like a scolded five year old!
I Like the way you think. :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: SAJse on 31 August, 2010, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 August, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
Drokk creeping into american youth speak. 1:26 in and towards the end.
I'm not sure that was the correct link? Thanks anyway. :)
OOOOP me bad :-[, Here goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFV2McS6NQc
V
Quote from: SAJse on 30 August, 2010, 01:35:57 AMWorldwide. Money is money afterall.
Tell that to Aardman, who were dropped like a stone by Dreamworks when Wallace & Gromit made $56m in the US but $192m internationally. Or tell it to Simon Pegg & Edgar Wright, who watched Shaun of the Dead—against all the odds—hit #7 in the US top-ten, despite playing in about three theatres, magically hold that position for a second week, and then have the distributor decide the take wasn't enough to go wide.
US take is hugely important in the industry, far more than what happens elsewhere—doubly so if the movie is first released in the US or has a simultaneous worldwide release.
Elsewhere, the biggest thing that could scupper the movie's success is the previous film.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 September, 2010, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 30 August, 2010, 01:35:57 AMWorldwide. Money is money afterall.
Tell that to Aardman, who were dropped like a stone by Dreamworks when Wallace & Gromit made $56m in the US but $192m internationally. Or tell it to Simon Pegg & Edgar Wright, who watched Shaun of the Dead—against all the odds—hit #7 in the US top-ten, despite playing in about three theatres, magically hold that position for a second week, and then have the distributor decide the take wasn't enough to go wide.
US take is hugely important in the industry, far more than what happens elsewhere—doubly so if the movie is first released in the US or has a simultaneous worldwide release.
Elsewhere, the biggest thing that could scupper the movie's success is the previous film.
That's why I'm really concerned about the rating of the upcoming movie.
Unfortunately almost all of the time ratings play a HUGE role on how well a movie does in this country (U.S.A.) The last really big R movies in this country were the MATRIX flicks & that one all the Christians went to go see were a hippie got the crap literally beat out of him and crucified to two by fours. :lol:
That's why I'm surprised they are using real cursing instead of the 'future' cursing.
I mean why handicap this movie anymore then it is? (unknown in this country except for that crap from 95) I mean I would like to see this movie succeed to a point were we can see bigger budgeted sequels in theaters and tell bigger stories like the 'Apocalypse War, The Cursed Earth, The Dark judges, The Devil You Know, America, Twilight's Last Gleaming, Total War' and not low budgeted direct to DVD crap with the generic 'villain of the week' story(if were lucky). :thumbsdown:
Put some singing and dancing in it, then release it in India first ;)
Any idea what the background to the 95 film getting an R was? It seems ludicrous that it did compared to PG-13 films like Terminator Salvation, or The Dark Knight.
Was there a real-life event that triggered a particular backlash?
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 September, 2010, 01:46:15 AM
Any idea what the background to the 95 film getting an R was? It seems ludicrous that it did compared to PG-13 films like Terminator Salvation, or The Dark Knight.
Was there a real-life event that triggered a particular backlash?
Exactly!
A movie can still be ''gritty & hardcore'' and still get a PG-13 today.
Thank almighty Grud for imdb
From the beginning the film was intended to receive a PG-13 rating. Due to excessive violence the MPAA refused to downgrade the initial R rating despite repeated appeals by the studio and Stallone. Mostly because of schedule constraints the film could not be re-cut and was released with an R rating.
Ratings are really much less strict these days when it comes to violence. It's only 'sexual' swearing or extreme gore that pushes films into an R rating.
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 September, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
Ratings are really much less strict these days when it comes to violence. It's only 'sexual' swearing or extreme gore that pushes films into an R rating.
Which was proven with Terminator Salvation.
With the ''BOOBSHOT'' of Moon Bloodgood, it was R. Without it...PG-13. Just one Topless scene on the cutting room floor was all it took. :crazy:
I bet they try for an R but it get a 15 anyway.Providing its not full of bonking and torture porn levels of violence that is.Lot more relaxed nowadays.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 September, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 September, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
Ratings are really much less strict these days when it comes to violence. It's only 'sexual' swearing or extreme gore that pushes films into an R rating.
Which was proven with Terminator Salvation.
With the ''BOOBSHOT'' of Moon Bloodgood, it was R. Without it...PG-13. Just one Topless scene on the cutting room floor was all it took. :crazy:
All this talk of the ratings board reminds me of This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Watched it quite recently, really good documentary that explains a lot about how ratings in the states work and how weird some of their standards are (they
reeeeeeeally don't like sex).
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 01 September, 2010, 10:58:00 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 September, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 September, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
Ratings are really much less strict these days when it comes to violence. It's only 'sexual' swearing or extreme gore that pushes films into an R rating.
Which was proven with Terminator Salvation.
With the ''BOOBSHOT'' of Moon Bloodgood, it was R. Without it...PG-13. Just one Topless scene on the cutting room floor was all it took. :crazy:
All this talk of the ratings board reminds me of This Film Is Not Yet Rated. Watched it quite recently, really good documentary that explains a lot about how ratings in the states work and how weird some of their standards are (they reeeeeeeally don't like sex).
I've seen it and was justly outraged over how much Control certain groups in this country have. >:(
Quote from: vzzbux on 31 August, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: SAJse on 31 August, 2010, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 August, 2010, 08:59:42 PM
Drokk creeping into american youth speak. 1:26 in and towards the end.
I'm not sure that was the correct link? Thanks anyway. :)
OOOOP me bad :-[, Here goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFV2McS6NQc
V
The kid's quite good actually. I thought Madhouse was by Megadeth for some reason.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 01 September, 2010, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 30 August, 2010, 01:35:57 AMWorldwide. Money is money afterall.
Tell that to Aardman, who were dropped like a stone by Dreamworks when Wallace & Gromit made $56m in the US but $192m internationally. Or tell it to Simon Pegg & Edgar Wright, who watched Shaun of the Dead—against all the odds—hit #7 in the US top-ten, despite playing in about three theatres, magically hold that position for a second week, and then have the distributor decide the take wasn't enough to go wide.
US take is hugely important in the industry, far more than what happens elsewhere—doubly so if the movie is first released in the US or has a simultaneous worldwide release.
Elsewhere, the biggest thing that could scupper the movie's success is the previous film.
Interesting. I kinda hate the Americans more though*. I'm not sure if that was your intention.
Deffo agree on your last point.
* j/k
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 September, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
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With the ''BOOBSHOT'' of Moon Bloodgood, it was R. Without it...PG-13.
A scene so utterly innocuous it's been available on 'no nudity' YouTube ever since.
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 September, 2010, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 September, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
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With the ''BOOBSHOT'' of Moon Bloodgood, it was R. Without it...PG-13.
A scene so utterly innocuous it's been available on 'no nudity' YouTube ever since.
Really... (toddles off to youtube)
New Shorter Title: DREDD
IMGlobal's site updated today with a changed title, and new text. No longer is it Judge Dredd 3D, but simply DREDD, though it has to be said that whomever wrote the following bumph doesn't know what they're talking about: "...on Cursed Earth"?!
DREDD takes us to the wild streets of Mega City One, the lone oasis of quasi-civilization on Cursed Earth. Judge Dredd (Karl Urban) is the most feared of elite Street Judges, with the power to enforce the law, sentence offenders and execute them on the spot - if necessary. The endlessly inventive mind of writer Alex Garland and the frenetic vision of director Pete Travis bring DREDD to life as a futuristic neo-noir action film that returns the celebrated character to the dark, visceral incarnation from John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra's revered comic strip.
Starring: Karl Urban (Star Trek, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy)
Directed by: Pete Travis (Vantage Point, Omagh, Endgame)
Written by: Alex Garland (28 Days Later, Sunshine)
Produced by: Andrew MacDonald, Alex Garland, Allon Reich
Nice and Simple.
Dredd - I like it!
Interview with Alex Garland in this month's Edge magazine. There's a couple of mentions of Dredd, but the only thing Garland says is:
QuoteGarland: ...I wouldn't dream of anticipating where films would be in 30 years. I don't even know where they'll be in 3 years. We're supposed to be making Judge Dredd in 3d, but will that be a bad idea in 3 years time? Will the fad be over?
Edge: Is that native 3d?
Garland: We're planning to shoot in 3d.
I share his concerns, but at least this confirms that it won't be a dodgy 'conversion job'.
Just "Dredd"?
Hmm...
Yes, I like it!
-- Mike
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 03 September, 2010, 02:30:00 AM
Just "Dredd"?
Hmm...
Yes, I like it!
-- Mike
Same here.
Short, Sweet, Simple & to the point.
Maybe the title could be done like this
DREDD ;)
Olivia Thirlby Cast in Judge Dredd
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=69518
Isn't Andrew MacDonald quoting as saying they'd be making some big announcements once they had cast Anderson?
Quote from: drich90212 on 03 September, 2010, 06:43:27 PM
Olivia Thirlby Cast in Judge Dredd
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=69518
Interesting, not someone I'm familiar with which is good I guess, even if she doesn't look like the Anderson in my mind (based on a google image search that is!). She's certainly easy on the eye though. Can't actually remember her in Juno at all mind you.
So thats Anderson,never seen her perform so im not going to comment except to say that i hope she changes her hair colour to blond.
I'm new here, is this the right place to discuss whuch villain we'd like to see in the movie? I vote P.J.Maybe maybe
Quote from: radiator on 03 September, 2010, 06:48:34 PM
Isn't Andrew MacDonald quoting as saying they'd be making some big announcements once they had cast Anderson?
He said they'd make a deal with a distributor once the female lead had been cast. The deal will be done next week at the Toronto Film Festival according to IMGlobal and Screen Daily.
Interview i pulled just to see what shes like if anyones interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5rWLx1kaKo
Yeah, not sure if she'd make a good Anderson. Doesn't quite seem a good choice to me. I guess judging (no pun intended) by that youtube interview, she does have an interest in law. We'll have to see what the make up department can do to make her look like Anderson more. It's also whether she can act the part. She should be force fed a backlog of progs right away!
I loved Juno so any link to that is good.
Except maybe not a Kimya Dawson soundtrack, as much as I love her.
I'm going to take that interview with a pinch of salt. There're a lot of actors whose films I enjoy, but come off as eejits in interviews. I'm just worried that she's there as a love interest.
Did DNA/Rebellion 'screen test' so to speak asking several actressess to read through some lines before picking the one they felt encompassed the character best?
Or did they have someone like this young lady in mind to begin with? They seem to have offered the role of Judge Dredd to Karl Urban with him pretty much as there first choice, leading man wise.
Was it the same for Anderson?
Whose the Chief Judge gonna be? Griffin? McGruder? Silver? Sinfield...? :lol:
Quote from: pops1983 on 03 September, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
I'm just worried that she's there as a love interest.
You obviously haven't read the script. [spoiler]There's a scene where Dredd and Anderson find an abandoned apartment in the city block and stop to rest after a heavy skirmish. They enter the bedroom, Dredd proceeds to show her the
long arm of the law.[/spoiler]
I'M GONNA PUMP YA FULL OF EVIDENCE! I AM THE LAW BABY!
GOOD GWACIOUS
Oh OK! I see why this is going to get a R rating!
There's a pun there about Dredd sentencing her to 9 months.
But seriously, who is the Chief Judge? My money's on Griffin, hope they let have the eye patch.
in the script, the Chief Judge is [spoiler]unnamed, but is a middle aged woman[/spoiler]
Helen Mirren? Judi Dench?
Quote from: Garageman on 03 September, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: pops1983 on 03 September, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
I'm just worried that she's there as a love interest.
You obviously haven't read the script. [spoiler]There's a scene where Dredd and Anderson find an abandoned apartment in the city block and stop to rest after a heavy skirmish. They enter the bedroom, Dredd proceeds to show her the long arm of the law.[/spoiler]
WOW they really are deviating from the source material. :o
Not really feeling it but I'm happy with Urban so I'll wait and see.
I wonder if they'll change her hair?
And that other thing? :o
Eh? Dredd is going to WHAT?
Olivia Thirlby - Imdb Resume
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1880888/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1880888/)
Interviews / Trailers of Note.
What Goes up (2009) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k8CsHKIEGE&p=3C10E176ACA8CBC4&playnext=1&index=5)
The Wackness(2008) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTjabyDv1g)
The LAte Late Show - Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22J4YxjNeVY)
Juno Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuN0Z65sp5c)
HAMBURGER PHONE
I think I've missed something
Quote from: pops1983 on 03 September, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
I think I've missed something
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/02/07/juno1_wideweb__470x321,2.jpg)
Looking distinctly more blonde in the snapshot attached to this article, although still a little darker than the typical Anderson look. At least we know she's gone blonde before so she should be able to pull off the look. Much as some people would argue it doesn't matter, I would certainly would like to see a blonde Anderson in the movie. Touches like that, inconsequential as they may be, demonstrate to the fans that the filmmakers do care about attention to detail.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/09/03/olivia-thirlby-cast-opposite-karl-urban-in-judge-dredd/
(http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/thirlby-anderson.jpg)
aye
She actually makes good blond. Not all brunette girls can, particularly those who have a dark complexion, but she look fine. Her facial features aren't far off from that picture either.
Yeah, she has that Dredd chin too!
She's got a bright, perky intelligence and can sling out a deadpan line. I reckon she'll be great. Maybe not booby enough for those of you that grew up using Anderson and a wet sock, mind.
I'm starting to get concerned about the budget not being large enough,i thought it was 45 million pounds not dollars...i know D9 etc but still.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 September, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
I'm starting to get concerned about the budget not being large enough,i thought it was 45 million pounds not dollars...i know D9 etc but still.
It's being shot in South Africa which means the dollar will stretch further there. There are no big name actors. In the last Dredd effort Stallone took $20 million of it's $85 million budget which cut it down to $65 million in -'95 rates- plus knock off whatever they had to pay for the other actors. FX has moved on quite a bit since '95 so that may be cheaper in terms of what can be pulled off in terms of scale but still expensive and time consuming.
I hear what your saying,just a bit worried.They will have to be very prudent.I just watched the trailer for Dragonballz because it had a 45 mil budget and it looked bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haIO5WRipyo&feature=related
Hope she read the bit about gettin her kecks off.
I've never seen her before but that pic of her with the blond hair looks fine to me.
When are we gonna get a look at production designs?? That's what I wanna see!
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 September, 2010, 04:22:43 PM
I hear what your saying,just a bit worried.They will have to be very prudent.I just watched the trailer for Dragonballz because it had a 45 mil budget and it looked bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haIO5WRipyo&feature=related
Yeh! this looks poor, has a made for T.V. feel to it (like Xena or Power Rangers). The 'Dredd' people are going to have to focus budget on specific's and not spread it about to thinly.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 September, 2010, 04:22:43 PM
I hear what your saying,just a bit worried.They will have to be very prudent.I just watched the trailer for Dragonballz because it had a 45 mil budget and it looked bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haIO5WRipyo&feature=related
Well, here's hoping that the film ends up more like "Predators", "Solomon Kane", "A Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy", and "Sin City", as they all had a budget of 40 million or so and overall looked good.
Ahh,thats good to know,Soloman was a top film.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 04 September, 2010, 05:23:46 PM
Ahh,thats good to know,Soloman was a top film.
Indeed. Destined to be an all-time cult classic.
In "Solomon Kane" and "Predators", the budget is noticeable at certain times, but the important thing was that they, as Dracula 1 put it, "focused on specifics".
Another one for for the $40million club.
Serenity.
How about Judge Cal and Judge Fish aided by the Kleggs as the bad guys?
;)
Quote from: Sweaty Machete on 05 September, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
How about Judge Cal and Judge Fish aided by the Kleggs as the bad guys?
;)
Sadly I don't see that happening. :'(
Quote from: Sweaty Machete on 05 September, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
How about Judge Cal and Judge Fish aided by the Kleggs as the bad guys?
;)
I can definately see Cal working on film, but the Judge Fish thing might be too much. The Kleggs? I don't know, but I will say that if at some point they decide to use The Dark Judges in a sequel, I don't see why The Kleggs would be that far fetched.
Sadly the Kleggs aren't likely to appear I'd say. Dredd is just too conservative these days! Call me an old fart...which I probably am, but those old days of Dredd were really fun! All this realism stuff... I don't know, it just isn't as imaginative to me. Dig into the old thrill vaults... Rinus Limpopop Quince from the Judge Child days. Now that's a great character!
Quote from: minus on 05 September, 2010, 04:52:06 AM
Sadly the Kleggs aren't likely to appear I'd say. Dredd is just too conservative these days! Call me an old fart...which I probably am, but those old days of Dredd were really fun! All this realism stuff... I don't know, it just isn't as imaginative to me. Dig into the old thrill vaults... Rinus Limpopop Quince from the Judge Child days. Now that's a great character!
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE! :thumbsup:
As much as I loved 'THE DARK KNIGHT' I curse it to hell for ushering in the ''realistic'' era of comic movies. >:(
HA HA! Well at least someone agrees! Many wouldn't! I had a Thrill Sucker infestation during the '90's so I have a decade which I missed. Started the progs 8 years ago, and things had changed. Don't get me wrong, the new Dredd stuff I do enjoy! Really liked the PJ story recently. It just seemed more imaginative in the early 80's. Ur... going off topic here! The movie......
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 04 September, 2010, 12:46:04 AM
Looking distinctly more blonde in the snapshot attached to this article, although still a little darker than the typical Anderson look. At least we know she's gone blonde before so she should be able to pull off the look. Much as some people would argue it doesn't matter, I would certainly would like to see a blonde Anderson in the movie. Touches like that, inconsequential as they may be, demonstrate to the fans that the filmmakers do care about attention to detail.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/09/03/olivia-thirlby-cast-opposite-karl-urban-in-judge-dredd/
(http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/thirlby-anderson.jpg)
Thanks. I was wondering if she'd look alright as a blond, and she does.
It would be great to see some kind of inter-web viral campaign for 'DREDD' (like they did with Dark Knight). Use it to slowly reveal Dredd's bike or outfit as the film is develops. It'll keep us all choppin' at the bit and is great promo' and advertising for the film.
I'd hope so - once you have sets, props and costumes built, it's a shame to not do something to create a buzz.
I'd love them to do a citizen's POV, where you just glimpse the Judges, they're either silouetted or only partly visible.
Quote from: Steve Green on 05 September, 2010, 02:02:47 PM
I'd hope so - once you have sets, props and costumes built, it's a shame to not do something to create a buzz.
I'd love them to do a citizen's POV, where you just glimpse the Judges, they're either silouetted or only partly visible.
I agree little snippets here and there, nothing overdone, keep the same branding throughout providing us with little tasters of the big meg.
aye keep wishing
Quote from: minus on 05 September, 2010, 04:52:06 AM
Sadly the Kleggs aren't likely to appear I'd say. Dredd is just too conservative these days! Call me an old fart...which I probably am, but those old days of Dredd were really fun! All this realism stuff... I don't know, it just isn't as imaginative to me. Dig into the old thrill vaults... Rinus Limpopop Quince from the Judge Child days. Now that's a great character!
I agree but I think there is room or both the realistic and the more crazy stuff. I recently got back into reading all the new stuff after not really reading much Dredd since half way through the pit. I remember at the time when that story first started I was getting pretty bored by it - but having now read it in its entirety I see that was the turning point in the way Wagner approached the writing. I also read Total war Mandroid Alien Vs Judge Dredd and Origins at the same time and I think they're all great stories. Alien Vs Dredd is the closest thing to the old classic Dredd stories though.
I think since this is the first movie it would be good to establish some fantastical stuff in there to make room for characters like the Dark Judges in future. Something along the lines of Necropolis would really work on film. Remember this is not the Dark Knight. Absolute realism works but its not the only way a film can work, Alien and the Thing are the examples of films that make both approaches work.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 05 September, 2010, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: minus on 05 September, 2010, 04:52:06 AM
Sadly the Kleggs aren't likely to appear I'd say. Dredd is just too conservative these days! Call me an old fart...which I probably am, but those old days of Dredd were really fun! All this realism stuff... I don't know, it just isn't as imaginative to me. Dig into the old thrill vaults... Rinus Limpopop Quince from the Judge Child days. Now that's a great character!
I agree but I think there is room or both the realistic and the more crazy stuff.
I think since this is the first movie it would be good to establish some fantastical stuff in there to make room for characters like the Dark Judges in future. Something along the lines of Necropolis would really work on film. Remember this is not the Dark Knight. Absolute realism works but its not the only way a film can work, Alien and the Thing are the examples of films that make both approaches work.
Other good examples of this are "Brotherhood of The Wolf", "District 9", "Pan's Labyrinth", and of course, "Predator".
Actually, I'd class Alien and The Thing as being within the realm of realistic sci-fi.* I suppose the creature itself is a bit of a stretch when considering a)its very existence and b) how quickly it grows etc, but everything else seems very gritty and realistic including the industrial nature of the ship and the crews reactions.
I agree with what you say though. I wouldn't mind Judge Death turning up in future films as long as it were done the right way. Having the seeds of thatin this film wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as it is just that.
I think there are other interesting stories that can be told first though and they should be given priority on film.
*Okay, they're really horror films rather than sci-fi, but there are certainly sci-fi elements. Particularly in Alien anyway.
Quote from: dracula1 on 05 September, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
It would be great to see some kind of inter-web viral campaign for 'DREDD' (like they did with Dark Knight). Use it to slowly reveal Dredd's bike or outfit as the film is develops. It'll keep us all choppin' at the bit and is great promo' and advertising for the film.
Let's just say some ''fan-made'' promotional stuff is in the works that will get the people talking. :cool:
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 05 September, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 05 September, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
It would be great to see some kind of inter-web viral campaign for 'DREDD' (like they did with Dark Knight). Use it to slowly reveal Dredd's bike or outfit as the film is develops. It'll keep us all choppin' at the bit and is great promo' and advertising for the film.
Let's just say some ''fan-made'' promotional stuff is in the works that will get the people talking. :cool:
Sounds interesting, . . . reveal more please!!!
Quote from: dracula1 on 05 September, 2010, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 05 September, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 05 September, 2010, 12:29:32 PM
It would be great to see some kind of inter-web viral campaign for 'DREDD' (like they did with Dark Knight). Use it to slowly reveal Dredd's bike or outfit as the film is develops. It'll keep us all choppin' at the bit and is great promo' and advertising for the film.
Let's just say some ''fan-made'' promotional stuff is in the works that will get the people talking. :cool:
Sounds interesting, . . . reveal more please!!!
All in due time. :cool:
Dredd featured on The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/06/judge_dredd/) (again).
M@
There's another update on Den Of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/586345/judge_dredd_movie_latest.html). Nothing we don't know already, but it's nice they're keeping uptodate with the news with the inclusion of Olivia Thirlby as Anderson.
I've just seen a Synopsis here
http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/09/07/judge-dredd-movie-retitled-dredd-official-synopsis-revealed/
"DREDD takes us to the wild streets of Mega City One, the lone oasis of quasi-civilization on Cursed Earth. Judge Dredd (Karl Urban) is the most feared of elite Street Judges, with the power to enforce the law, sentence offenders and execute them on the spot - if necessary. The endlessly inventive mind of writer Alex Garland and the frenetic vision of director Peter Travis bring DREDD to life as a futuristic neo-noir action film that returns the celebrated character to the dark, visceral incarnation from John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra's revered comic strip."
That is the synopsis (with errors) from the distributor IM Global which has all ready been posted.
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I hope this movie doesn't bomb.
"The lone oasis of quasi-civilization on Cursed Earth"? Whoever wrote that synopsis is clearly not overly familiar with the source material. Let's hope it's a bodge and not actually taken from the film.
Quote from: Noisybast on 09 September, 2010, 08:47:33 AM
"The lone oasis of quasi-civilization on Cursed Earth"? Whoever wrote that synopsis is clearly not overly familiar with the source material. Let's hope it's a bodge and not actually taken from the film.
If you look at some other synopsis the grammar doesent quite work in places (will try and find areas to back my argument up).
Suffice to say I think this was just slapped in as a filler (at least im hoping it was).
Blimey. I've just caught with all the posts from July onwards and I need a lie down.
I've a sudden urge to give Vantage Point another look.
Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024059.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) just reported that UK distribution rights have been signed. The all important US rights still to come, but it's very nice to hear that there's a lot of buzz surrounding the project. That can only be good news for the morale of those involved, and perhaps lead to a little boost in the budget or other aspects of the production.
IM Global's mammoth roughly $7 million pre-sale deal over the weekend with Entertainment for UK rights to "Dredd 3D" is indicative of the three-headed beast that the Toronto Film Festival has become — a launchpad for fall films and a place to do business on domestic acquisitions and, increasingly, foreign sales.
US deals may seem like the sexiest fest biz, but it was the size of the IM Global-Entertainment pre-sale deal for "Dredd" that had film execs buzzing on Sunday. They say it's likely the biggest territory deal, whether foreign or domestic, to come out of Toronto in recent times.
DNA Films is producing "Dredd," while Reliance Big Entertainment and IM Global financed.
I think this is the confusingly named Entertainment: http://edcllc.com/
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 September, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
I think this is the confusingly named Entertainment: http://edcllc.com/
Actually pretty sure it's this company here, if indeed they are a different company (yes, very confusing). http://www.entertainmentfilms.co.uk
Yes, that makes a lot more sense. Thank you.
I'm guessing that while modestly budgeted films can seek distribution later in the process, it makes financial sense for a larger budgeted project to get those matters locked in place before tons of money goes flying around.
More good stuff as Dredd is the star attraction behind the scenes at the Toronto Film Festival. (Like I know WTF I'm talking about!)
Variety reports (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryId=13&cs=1)
Stuart Ford's sales company IM Global has landed more than $30 million in foreign pre-sales for DNA Films pic "Dredd" ... making it by far the biggest deal of the fest so far.
In five days, IM Global has sold the pic to a raft of major territories including Germany (Universum); Spain (Aurum); Australia (Icon); Canada (Alliance); Russia (CP Media); Benelux (eOne); Latin America (IDC); and Scandinavia (Svensk).
U.S. buyers likewise are circling "Dredd" and a domestic deal is expected to be closed within the week.
With this currently promised $30 million in pre-sales, the budget for Dredd is all ready half-way to break-even. So what are they using to convince the investors that it's worth it - a script, karl urban and Jock's art book? or is there even a preliminary showreel?
Wow - good news!
QuoteWith this currently promised $30 million in pre-sales, the budget for Dredd is all ready half-way to break-even. So what are they using to convince the investors that it's worth it - a script, karl urban and Jock's art book? or is there even a preliminary showreel?
John Wagner has mentioned that he has seen some sort of sfx showreel - cgi work of how a 'convincing' Mega City will look in the movie.
It goes into production in November and it has just secured $30 million-worth of pre-sales, so the budget is nearly covered already (making the idea of a sequel pretty likely and people are going to be looking long and hard at other Rebellion IP):
Quote$30 million is really not bad going at all. Variety note that this is the most successful sales effort in Toronto this year. It would seem that whatever IM are selling the film on – possibly no more than a talent list, synopsis and some artwork – is making this one look like a sure bet for netting customers here, there and everywhere. Though I guess the promise of boosted 3D ticket prices probably didn't hurt, and neither will have the furious online buzz for the film.
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/09/14/new-judge-dredd-film-already-doing-well-in-pre-sales/
Just thought I'd add this from bleedingcool.com in to the mix.
New Judge Dredd Film Already Doing Well In Pre-Sales
Pete Travis' $45 million reboot of Judge Dredd's cinematic second life should be gearing up steadily for a November shoot in South Africa. Already, however, the film's sales agent IM Global are beavering away busily, lining up distribution deals around the world.
Just during the ongoing Toronto Film Festival, IM have managed to secure a total of $30 million worth of international deals. That means, from the point of view of the producers, the film is already two thirds of it's way to break-even. Cue spurious rumours of early sequel development being kick-started and other Millar-esque blarney?
$30 million is really not bad going at all. Variety note that this is the most successful sales effort in Toronto this year. It would seem that whatever IM are selling the film on – possibly no more than a talent list, synopsis and some artwork – is making this one look like a sure bet for netting customers here, there and everywhere. Though I guess the promise of boosted 3D ticket prices probably didn't hurt, and neither will have the furious online buzz for the film.
Grud let this great news please result in a toy line by HASBRO! :thumbsup:
So my question is will this money go towards a increase in the filming budget?
Worth looking at the Variety piece this is based on (as long as you can get round all the movie biz speak like skedded):
QuoteIn five days, IM Global has sold the pic to a raft of major territories including Germany (Universum); Spain (Aurum); Australia (Icon); Canada (Alliance); Russia (CP Media); Benelux (eOne); Latin America (IDC); and Scandinavia (Svensk).
Over the weekend, IM Global struck a hefty $7 million deal for the futuristic pic with Blighty distrib Entertainment.
...
Ford's decision to come TIFF this year and treat the fest as an active trading market means "Dredd," penned by Alex Garland, has sold to 90% of the world here at the fest.
U.S. buyers likewise are circling "Dredd" and a domestic deal is expected to be closed within the week.
www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
If the UK deal was $7 million then I'd imagine the US one will be quite a bit larger than that, so if they are right they will have essentially covered the budget months before filming starts - a very impressive achievement, one that'd surely guarantee a sequel.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 12:47:17 AMSo my question is will this money go towards a increase in the filming budget?
Doubtful - they'll have everything costed up at this stage. They also want to prove they can bring this in on a lowish budget and make a tonne of cash, which will set them up very nicely for sequels, where they will be looking for a bigger budget.
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:13:09 AM
www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
If the UK deal was $7 million then I'd imagine the US one will be quite a bit larger than that, so if they are right they will have essentially covered the budget months before filming starts - a very impressive achievement, one that'd surely guarantee a sequel.
But wouldn't this movie still need to at least make back it's budget at the U.S. B-O before a sequel can be given the go ahead?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:13:09 AM
www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
If the UK deal was $7 million then I'd imagine the US one will be quite a bit larger than that, so if they are right they will have essentially covered the budget months before filming starts - a very impressive achievement, one that'd surely guarantee a sequel.
But wouldn't this movie still need to at least make back it's budget at the U.S. B-O before a sequel can be given the go ahead?
Not if it makes back the budget in pre-sales, which it seems well on course for doing - they'll have the $45 million in the bank before they have to spend it all. It could be into profit before they sell a ticket. Everything is gravy after that - the distributors are going to want to make back the big bags of cash they have just spent so there will be a big publicity drive for this so the expectation must be that this is going to easily make it to $100 million (I don't know what ticket sales you'd need in the UK to make back an outlay of $7 million but that is going to contribute to a big slice of the take), as long as it doesn't suck giant hairy goats balls of course.
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:13:09 AM
www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
If the UK deal was $7 million then I'd imagine the US one will be quite a bit larger than that, so if they are right they will have essentially covered the budget months before filming starts - a very impressive achievement, one that'd surely guarantee a sequel.
But wouldn't this movie still need to at least make back it's budget at the U.S. B-O before a sequel can be given the go ahead?
the distributors are going to want to make back the big bags of cash they have just spent so there will be a big publicity drive for this so the expectation must be that this is going to easily make it to $100 million
In the U.S. right?
Sweet Jebus, I hope the HARD
R doesn't hurt it at the B.O.
:think:
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 02:44:48 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 01:13:09 AM
www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
If the UK deal was $7 million then I'd imagine the US one will be quite a bit larger than that, so if they are right they will have essentially covered the budget months before filming starts - a very impressive achievement, one that'd surely guarantee a sequel.
But wouldn't this movie still need to at least make back it's budget at the U.S. B-O before a sequel can be given the go ahead?
the distributors are going to want to make back the big bags of cash they have just spent so there will be a big publicity drive for this so the expectation must be that this is going to easily make it to $100 million
In the U.S. right?
No necessarily - you'd be happy with that globally I suppose (before DVD sales kick in), as the take would be double the budget, but if they could do that in the US then that'd be great. To make back $30 million they'd have to be expecting sales at least 3 or 4 times that to cover their outlay.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 02:44:48 AMSweet Jebus, I hope the HARD R doesn't hurt it at the B.O.
:think:
We'll see - if the US distributors lay down $10-20 million then they'd obviously have decided it either wouldn't or that going for this classification might help make it more of a must-see. It'll be interesting seeing what the numbers work out as - I assume someone has figured out the sums on this one with regard to what the distributors are prepared to pay versus what the expected take would be.
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 03:21:07 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 02:44:48 AMSweet Jebus, I hope the HARD R doesn't hurt it at the B.O.
:think:
We'll see - if the US distributors lay down $10-20 million then they'd obviously have decided it either wouldn't or that going for this classification might help make it more of a must-see. It'll be interesting seeing what the numbers work out as - I assume someone has figured out the sums on this one with regard to what the distributors are prepared to pay versus what the expected take would be.
I'd just like to say to everyone on the boards that 'normally' I don't care what A movie is rated (Some of my favorite movies being A Clockwork Orange, Robocop, ALIEN) However, There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film. I know it seems R movies are doing relatively well now (The Expendables, Resident Evil Afterlife) But DREDD (as far as I know) doesn't have the STAR power of The Expendables or the Built in Video Game fan base that R-E has here in the states.
I think a film needs to make back 2 to 3 times its budget before it starts to make a profit. Though at 45 million I wouldn't have thought Dredd would have a problem. Assuming the marketing guys aren't smoking crack or wacking off to porn on the job. We're expecting better than Doom, right?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 03:51:13 AM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 September, 2010, 03:21:07 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 02:44:48 AMSweet Jebus, I hope the HARD R doesn't hurt it at the B.O.
:think:
We'll see - if the US distributors lay down $10-20 million then they'd obviously have decided it either wouldn't or that going for this classification might help make it more of a must-see. It'll be interesting seeing what the numbers work out as - I assume someone has figured out the sums on this one with regard to what the distributors are prepared to pay versus what the expected take would be.
I'd just like to say to everyone on the boards that 'normally' I don't care what A movie is rated (Some of my favorite movies being A Clockwork Orange, Robocop, ALIEN) However, There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film. I know it seems R movies are doing relatively well now (The Expendables, Resident Evil Afterlife) But DREDD (as far as I know) doesn't have the STAR power of The Expendables or the Built in Video Game fan base that R-E has here in the states.
...but at the same time, however, R-rated films like "300", "District 9", and "Underworld" didn't have star-power either and did quite well at the boxoffice.
If "Dredd" has good reviews, positive word of mouth, and is given an appropriate release date(like August or September), it should do fine.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 03:51:13 AM
There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film.
The previous film wasn't really an R, it was paticularly tame, An R then is not an R now and one of the reasons it failed was because people were expecting more and it compromised on the content because they wanted to market it to the after cinema younger audience as well.
Quote from: SAJse on 15 September, 2010, 04:09:15 AMI think a film needs to make back 2 to 3 times its budget before it starts to make a profit.
Yup. People forget that the 'budgets' mentioned in these things are
production budgets—the money required to make the film. They ignore the marketing budget, which is usually roughly the same. That's why Serenity was considered such a disaster. It 'cost' $39m and grossed a smidge under that, but went on to sell a massive pile of DVDs. The assumption by most is that it went on to profit, and so why wasn't there a sequel? The reality is that even with its massive DVD sales, it likely still made a loss. (See also: Scott Pilgrim. Even if that becomes a cult hit on DVD/Blu-Ray, it's never going to make back what they spent on it.)
Dredd will need to open high in the US—#2 at the minimum, and take $15m+ in its opening. Overall, it needs a US gross of at the very least in the $60m area to have any chance at all of spawning a sequel. The signs so far are encouraging, though, and the fact the production budget is pretty low is smart. A $150m Dredd film would be a dumb move. The one they're doing provides an opportunity. If it bombs, it'll still not be a horrible loss; but there's the chance it could do a Kick-Ass ($28m budget, $95m gross).
On star power, that could be an issue, but Urban's relatively well-regarded, and it's also clear we're now beyond solely star-driven vehicles, even in the action/sci-fi space. Hollywood just doesn't have the money anymore.
There are also dvd and blu-ray
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 15 September, 2010, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: SAJse on 15 September, 2010, 04:09:15 AMI think a film needs to make back 2 to 3 times its budget before it starts to make a profit.
Yup. People forget that the 'budgets' mentioned in these things are production budgets—the money required to make the film. They ignore the marketing budget, which is usually roughly the same. That's why Serenity was considered such a disaster. It 'cost' $39m and grossed a smidge under that, but went on to sell a massive pile of DVDs. The assumption by most is that it went on to profit, and so why wasn't there a sequel? The reality is that even with its massive DVD sales, it likely still made a loss. (See also: Scott Pilgrim. Even if that becomes a cult hit on DVD/Blu-Ray, it's never going to make back what they spent on it.)
Dredd will need to open high in the US—#2 at the minimum, and take $15m+ in its opening. Overall, it needs a US gross of at the very least in the $60m area to have any chance at all of spawning a sequel. The signs so far are encouraging, though, and the fact the production budget is pretty low is smart. A $150m Dredd film would be a dumb move. The one they're doing provides an opportunity. If it bombs, it'll still not be a horrible loss; but there's the chance it could do a Kick-Ass ($28m budget, $95m gross).
On star power, that could be an issue, but Urban's relatively well-regarded, and it's also clear we're now beyond solely star-driven vehicles, even in the action/sci-fi space. Hollywood just doesn't have the money anymore.
I was just about to mention the dvd/blu-ray revenue. Apparently the Tom Jane Punisher movie only got greenlit for a sequel after dvd sales eventually pushed it into profit, so the idea that a movie
needs to make a certain amount on its make or break opening weekend isn't always true. Mind you that initial box office might be more crucial on a $45million budget (Punisher only cost about $15mil if I remember correctly/vaguely).
At any rate, this is brilliant news, my assumption was that a lot of that pre-sales money could go towards a big marketing push to make sure it does the business.
It's brilliant to hear that things are running so smoothly for Dredd's production-it's generating some amazing pre-release buzz. There's obviously a lot of good will aimed toward the film and I have no hesitation in declaring......
Bring on a sequel!
Us fans deserve it!
Can't wait for Dredd 1 too. :D
45 mil isn't that bad a budget when you think that District 9 only had 30 mil
Judge Dredd featured here as Character to watch
http://ifanboy.com/podcasts/video/iFanboy_-_Episode__180_-_Josh_s_Shelves__iFanboy_Membership_Grand_Prize__and_Judge_Dredd
skip to (12:49)
I'm hoping the uniform looks similar to this :thumbsup:
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9116/1397831-1702_large.jpg) (http://www.comicvine.com/1702/105-1397831/)
And yes I noticed the '95 Gloves, Eagle & Collar. :lol:
Is it my imagination or is the Dredd badge a photo of the Termight Replicas replica?
Quote from: Dash Decent on 17 September, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
Is it my imagination or is the Dredd badge a photo of the Termight Replicas replica?
No it's not your imagination
http://2000adcovers.blogspot.com/2010/09/ding-dong-dredd-calling.html
QuoteThe chunky angular respirator, eagle and shoulder pads also fell into that blocky, utilitarian look. I should have carried to look through to the badge and belt buckle but I had been generously given a Termight Replica badge by Wakefield Carter and I thought it would be a shame not to use it!"
Good write up in the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2010/sep/16/judge-dredd-dna-toronto
Couple of brief comments from Urban on the film here.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28952
How long before they let us see some concept work? (besides what's out there now)
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 September, 2010, 12:56:21 AM
How long before they let us see some concept work? (besides what's out there now)
I know theres been a fair trickle of news coming out of late but it would be nice to see a few screenies coming out. Props, set design (if there going to have any could be all greenscreen) and or a sneaky glimpse of the all important Uniform.
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 22 September, 2010, 01:08:55 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 September, 2010, 12:56:21 AM
How long before they let us see some concept work? (besides what's out there now)
I know theres been a fair trickle of news coming out of late but it would be nice to see a few screenies coming out. Props, set design (if there going to have any could be all greenscreen) and or a sneaky glimpse of the all important Uniform.
Now that's what I'm talking about! :thumbsup:
Or at least a quick glimpse of his helmet or badge.
Do we know yet if Dredd's uniform is going to be a more faithful adaptation to what is in the comic? (Universal Knee & elbow pads, Large Chain & Badge, Zipper down the middle)
Or is it going to be something completely different?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 September, 2010, 01:35:59 AM
Do we know yet if Dredd's uniform is going to be a more faithful adaptation to what is in the comic? (Universal Knee & elbow pads, Large Chain & Badge, Zipper down the middle)
Or is it going to be something completely different?
I can see the uniform resembling Hugh Jackman's Wolverine leather suit in X2 & 3 or Ben Affleck's Daredevil suit a little bit in that it might be "molded" to give Urban an accentuated buff look. I say the boots, knee & elbow pads & gloves will be of a very opaque green.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 September, 2010, 01:28:42 AMOr at least a quick glimpse of his helmet or badge.
Dude!... :-[
snigger.....
All i want to see is that they are staying faithfull,just to make sure the uniform looks right,i'm cringing in case they make it an all black affair,black pads,boots etc.He will lose some of his identity i think.Keep the colours.
I could stand losing the green bits, or at least toning down the shade to the point where it's almost black but the yellow shoulder pads should stay. And the helmet highlights too of course.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 September, 2010, 09:40:17 AM
I could stand losing the green bits, or at least toning down the shade to the point where it's almost black but the yellow shoulder pads should stay. And the helmet highlights too of course.
I think if they made the green more akin to Soviet Bloc green (like Bulgarian 7.62 ammo tins) that it would look great; it tends to come across as slightly sillier because of how vivid the colors are in the comics. But of course, IRL, no color but the neons show as brightly as it does in the pages of comic books.
What works as a comic doesn't always work on-screen. Frankly, most of the 'real' Dredd suits shot for the Prog over the years make little sense. They're too bulky and awkward. To my mind, the Stallone film *almost* got there with the uniform. The main material was clearly wrong (should be more biker leather), as was the codpiece, but the garb worked well enough.
I'd like the character to remain faithful (although some rumour that the script is sadly lacking in humour—black or otherwise), and for the visuals to be reminiscent of the comic, but I don't care for them slavishly recreating the strip and ending up with something that's unworkable.
I thought Stallone's helmet was pretty well done, and yes, Dredd's gear is absurdly bulky.
Id be happy if they used Judge Minty's props to be honest. The detail in the inisignia, buckles, belt clips, padding and eagle is to my mind spot on.
The helmet too is pretty much there the only thing which needs a little (and I hope im not going to be flamed here) is the actual body suit itself I think a tailor leather possibly with a few subtle bits of padding here and there discreetly around the main body parts (pecs, sixpack arms etc) would bolster the look and feel.
And by that I mean not your Batman look which is by far ott but a toned down practical look.
I think your right Gumpty. The Minty costume is mint :)
With some tailored leathers it would be awesome. I can see why that wouldn't be practical for the fan film cost wise though.
Agreed, the Minty costume is marvellous. The two piece untailored leathers do, however, cause a doubling up between groin and chest, making the wearer seem paunchier than they are. Well, some of us anyway. <Cough cough>. Others just fill it nicely...
But there's a huge difference between selling a look to a fan audience and selling it to global joe public, so id expect the movie uniform to be 'toned down' a bit. I dont for one second think they'll go as extreme as the 95 version did in changing it, but i wouldnt be surprised to see something resembling 1702's cover. Black gloves and boots works for me, as would a Siku and Kev Walker style chainless badge.
SBT
I reckon we'll see a more armoured uniform, perhaps similar to the Dark Knight suit. The shoulder, elbow and knee pads will be built into the suit, re-coloured and reduced in size.
All speculation of course but I bet I'm right.
I think 'toned down' is certainly the way to go. I see no real reason for keeping the basic design elements though. Sometimes the shoulder pads look extremely large in the comic. Something smaller and perhaps more stylised as far as the eagle pad is concerned(that poking out beak on the eagle for example could get caught on stuff).
I also think some kind of chest armour would be a good idea. Nothing too bulky, mind. I actually saw a couple of cops just the other day. Judging by the padded look of their tops they appeared to be wearing bullet proof vests*. It only looked slightly bulky though and actually looked integral to the uniform rather than an add-on. Something like that, except maybe even a bit thinner what with the advances in future tech, and armour manufacture etc.
*This was in the grounds of Bromley library too, so I'm not sure why! Maybe it's become more standard uniform these last few years? A slightly scary thought!
Over in the U.S. all of the cops wear bullet proof vests all the time.
Go with Brian Bollands vision of Dredd and uniform and your there. No need to redesign this will cost $$$$'s.
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 September, 2010, 06:27:50 PM
Go with Brian Bollands vision of Dredd and uniform and your there. No need to redesign this will cost $$$$'s.
Well, I'd make the shoulder pad a bit smaller and have the eagle's beak arc down to the rest of the other shoulder pad. But Bolland's design does seem to be pretty workable as a movie outfit.
Agree with Gumpty on the Minty cozzies,just get the leather jumpsuits to fit better and you've cracked it.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 22 September, 2010, 09:40:17 AM
I could stand losing the green bits, or at least toning down the shade to the point where it's almost black but the yellow shoulder pads should stay. And the helmet highlights too of course.
Yellow shoulder pads, are you sure?
Quote from: dracula1 on 22 September, 2010, 06:27:50 PM
Go with Brian Bollands vision of Dredd and uniform and your there. No need to redesign this will cost $$$$'s.
No matter how good something looks on the page -even Bolland's uniform- the reality is a lot different. The uniform has to fit a variety of body shapes, not what just looks good on who plays Dredd and Anderson.
The basic Ezquerra design is always the best to start with and work from there. If olive green pads don't really work, and they probably don't, change them. The uniform must be just that, "uniform", it must adhere to a the chosen design style or
cut of line that is reflected in the helmet, the badge and any metal on the uniform, and the pads etc. Everthing on the uniform must conform to the style that is chosen, something that is not always considered in the comic, though Jock certainly does.
QuoteYellow shoulder pads, are you sure?
You get rid of the yellow shoulder pads and it's just a space Nazi outfit.
We should be careful. We are a finite number of posts away from "He should take his helmet off, so the paying public can see Urban's face, or they won't come."
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 September, 2010, 08:30:38 PM
We should be careful. We are a finite number of posts away from "He should take his helmet off, so the paying public can see Urban's face, or they won't come."
SBT
It's going to bug me if they take the helmet off and show him. It's one thing if they take it off and keep him shadowed/censored, but there's just no sense in showing Dredd's face. One of the major goofs of the '95 movie.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:18:05 PM
No matter how good something looks on the page -even Bolland's uniform- the reality is a lot different. The uniform has to fit a variety of body shapes, not what just looks good on who plays Dredd and Anderson.
Not neccessarily, they could contrive it so that the eagle shoulder pads are only worn by higher ranking Judges, such as Dredd, whilst the other grunts just have the shoulder armour on both shoulders.
I think the important thing with the uniform is that they are distinctive, and not just generic future armour that, minus the Judge motifs, could appear in any sci-fi movie. Jock's concept art looks promising mind
Quote from: pops1983 on 22 September, 2010, 08:35:41 PM
Not neccessarily, they could contrive it so that the eagle shoulder pads are only worn by higher ranking Judges, such as Dredd, whilst the other grunts just have the shoulder armour on both shoulders.
I never mentioned the eagle, the helmet and every other part must be capable of being worn by all street Judges, singling out the eagle or any other part of the uniform is not the issue. There's no reason why all Judges can't have an eagle, the only reason they didn't all have eagles in the '95 film was because they didn't have the money to make 'em.
Quote from: RJMooreII on 22 September, 2010, 08:24:57 PM
QuoteYellow shoulder pads, are you sure?
You get rid of the yellow shoulder pads and it's just a space Nazi outfit.
and Dredd would look like Big Bird. No prop uniforms that have been made -even in Minty- ever had yellow shoulder pads. They'd look like marigolds on his shoulders. It would also be like wearing hi-viz at night.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:47:21 PM
and Dredd would look like big bird. No prop uniforms that have been made -even in Minty- ever had yellow shoulder pads. They'd look like marigolds on his shoulders. It would also be like wearing hi-viz at night.
Well, I always figured it was just bronze-gold metal. Not
bright yellow.
Quote from: RJMooreII on 22 September, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:47:21 PM
and Dredd would look like big bird. No prop uniforms that have been made -even in Minty- ever had yellow shoulder pads. They'd look like marigolds on his shoulders. It would also be like wearing hi-viz at night.
Well, I always figured it was just bronze-gold metal. Not bright yellow.
It pays to say what you mean, yellow ain't exactly gold and Dredd did have yellow elbow and shoulder pads as Bolland coloured them.
(http://itsalljustcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/judge-dredd.jpg)
You could also have the pads as a dark-tan, flexible, matte material with a gold/silver Eagle head piece.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:55:23 PM
It pays to say what you mean, yellow ain't exactly gold and Dredd did have yellow elbow and shoulder pads as Bolland coloured them.
(http://itsalljustcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/judge-dredd.jpg)
You could also have the pads as a dark-tan, flexible, matte material with a gold/silver Eagle head piece.
Man, if you have to suffer police brutality, why can't it be at the hands of nutjobs in brightly colored outfits with fixed-visor helmets? At least you could bite the curb laughing.
But, yes, that's one of my fav. Bolland pieces. But, like I said, I figured it was just 4-color stand-in for bronze-gold metal.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: RJMooreII on 22 September, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 08:47:21 PM
and Dredd would look like big bird. No prop uniforms that have been made -even in Minty- ever had yellow shoulder pads. They'd look like marigolds on his shoulders. It would also be like wearing hi-viz at night.
Well, I always figured it was just bronze-gold metal. Not bright yellow.
It pays to say what you mean, yellow ain't exactly gold and Dredd did have yellow elbow and shoulder pads as Bolland coloured them.
(http://itsalljustcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/judge-dredd.jpg)
I never understood why Bolland (as great as he is) coloured the Elbow pads ''Yellowish'' they are meant to be green.
it was me who made the 'yellow shoulder pads' comment originally. I was just trying to distinguish between a general yellow colour and the stupid golden jewellery sported by Stallone.
I trust the costume designers to get this one right. I think will look at the cod piece debarcle and just get it right.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 September, 2010, 09:45:35 PM
I trust the costume designers to get this one right. I think will look at the cod piece debarcle and just get it right.
Really what made Stallone's codpiece and shoulder ornaments look so weird was that they were 1) too bright and 2) the rest of the outfit was pretty lightweight/thin. There just wasn't enough bulk on the rest of the suit, so the metal stuff looked really uneven and sort of tacked on.
Don't forget the black tights.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/purpleshana/sylvester_stallone.jpg)
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 10:13:55 PM
Don't forget the black tights.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/purpleshana/sylvester_stallone.jpg)
YARG! :o Is that a real photo or photoshop?
Photoshop hasn't advanced enough to produce that level of shame.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 11:09:38 PM
Photoshop hasn't advanced enough to produce that level of shame.
I don't know what's worse.
The Hair, the Shirt or the fact that this photo is real!
Yep I agree Kevin Keegan really let himself down then.
They should have Stallone dressed like that in the new film, playing a simp. That'll teach him, he'll wish he had a helmet to hide behind.
But to get back to this whole movie thing, do you think they'll radically redesign the Lawmasters again. Get a wee endorsement for Harley Davidson in there? Both the U.S. Military and several of their State police forces have used Harleys, so it wouldn't be too preposterous. I bloody love Harleys, so maybe I'm a bit biased here
I reckon they'll redesign the Lawmaster. The comic version is way too blocky and angular. It's the most dated looking piece of Dredd's kit.
If it were me, I'd go for a fucking massive, powerful, sleek and sexy monster bike with all curves and 2 foot wide tires. Something like the bikes in 'Akira' but with guns.
In the Stallone film's production, they build a bike with Lawmaster-style tyres and it was impossible to steer.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 September, 2010, 09:37:58 PM
I never understood why Bolland (as great as he is) coloured the Elbow pads ''Yellowish'' they are meant to be green.
They used to be either. Look at the elbow and knee pads in America, yellow. I think Colin mentioned that there was later a memo from Tharg to all Art droids to standardise the pads as green
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 September, 2010, 09:28:03 AM
In the Stallone film's production, they build a bike with Lawmaster-style tyres and it was impossible to steer.
Yeah, I remember that. They did ok with the Bat-pod in the Dark Knight though. Tires like that would be fine.
From what I've learned, the uniform will be drab, functional, and look like it can survive a firefight. The film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
I think if we imagine a mid-point between the comic and today's sexiest riot gear, we'll come close to what Urban and Thirlby will be wearing.
I'll just quote myself on the subject of the Lawmaster:
Quote from: CraveNoir on 02 July, 2010, 11:20:36 AMFor the Lawmaster, the design is limited by what tyres are commerically available as it's financially unviable to create custom ones.
In The Dark Knight, the Bat-Pod had to use tyres from the Tumbler which were square-based racing car tyres. This was the main reason why its instability required a stunt rider, and why he had to lie almost prone on the bike.
If they stick with the iconic wide tyre design for the Lawmaster then they'll go with something like the VEE Monsters (http://www.itascathunder.com/vrbr/tire.htm). Chopper City (http://www.choppercityusa.com/PS-Pod.htm) built a Bat-Pod with these. Scroll down the page to watch the videos of the bike out on the streets, and see how a Lawmaster could look in action. Note that the rider sits upright.
This is a good video of it from the front. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjBvt8yvXg&feature=player_embedded
QuoteThey did ok with the Bat-pod in the Dark Knight though. Tires like that would be fine.
I hated every design decision in the Dark Knight. I still liked the movie, I just thought they basically botched everything aesthetically.
QuoteThe film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
More departures from the canon stories? Are we ever going to see a Judge Dredd movie where he has to fight both sides of the MacDonalds/Burger King hamburger wars and the Jolly Green Giant? :lol:
QuoteFrom what I've learned, the uniform will be drab, functional, and look like it can survive a firefight. The film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
I think if we imagine a mid-point between the comic and today's sexiest riot gear, we'll come close to what Urban and Thirlby will be wearing.
That pretty much sounds like what I was expecting. Going for a more realistic look makes perfect sense to me - I only hope that they keep one or two of the weirder design elements in some form or other - I wouldn't want the uniform to look
too generic!
Quote from: RJMooreII on 23 September, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
QuoteThey did ok with the Bat-pod in the Dark Knight though. Tires like that would be fine.
I hated every design decision in the Dark Knight. I still liked the movie, I just thought they basically botched everything aesthetically.
QuoteThe film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
More departures from the canon stories? Are we ever going to see a Judge Dredd movie where he has to fight both sides of the MacDonalds/Burger King hamburger wars and the Jolly Green Giant? :lol:
I didn't like the Bat-bike re-design either-it looked ugly, impractical and clumsy.
I hope the Dredd production designers haven't drawn their inspiration from it.
But yeah, great film.
Quote from: radiator on 23 September, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
That pretty much sounds like what I was expecting. Going for a more realistic look makes perfect sense to me - I only hope that they keep one or two of the weirder design elements in some form or other - I wouldn't want the uniform to look too generic!
Like I said earlier, Judge Dredd without some crazy colorful outfit elements is just going to look like a generic space marine or a Nazi. I don't really much care about design-realism, especially given it's based on a comic book. It's one thing not to copy the obviously stylized art elements, but if it just ends up looking like something out of Rainbow Six I'm going to hate them just like I hated the hacks that made the so-called "X-Men" movies, with their made-for-tv generic black outfits.
An I had better not see a single HK G36 in the movie.
It's unlikely they will go that generic, losing the flavour of the strip. However, surely it's important to avoid the kitsch. Remember Batman & Robin?
as long as there's some kind of Eag;e Shoulder pad and Sheild Badge I'll be happy. Doesn't matter if they shrink them just as liong as they keep the iconography.
CU Radbacker
Pops mentioned the Harley idea, ... it's a good one. No need to redesign the Lawmaster a real world equivalent is bound to be out there already. Harley involvement somehow may result in a whole group of people(especially in the U.S.) viewing the new film that wouldn't normally have taken an interest in a brit' portrayal of an American cop.
Make him a ultra brutal biker cop, heavy leather clad outfit, metal knuckle dusters and chains with boots that crush heads in combat. Looking at Kev Walker and Jocks evolution of Dredd is about it (but can they keep the essence of Carlos and Bollands Dredd in the mix to)?
I'm a little worried that it could end up looking too generic.
If it was up to me...
Colourwise, I'd go black and grey, or greenish black for pads and gauntlets.
Definitely dull down any metal to more gunmetal rather than gold.
Bodysuit, leather or something hardwearing, with some padding as suggested.
The helmet doesn't need to change much,
The badge is obviously vital, as is I would say are the shoulder pads.
Chains, belt buckles, knee and elbow pads are adaptable without losing the iconography of Dredd.
Still, I'll only be bothered if they change the uniform and make it look even more oddball.
Quote from: Steve Green on 23 September, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
I'm a little worried that it could end up looking too generic.
Same here. :'( I want my Dredd Recognizable!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 23 September, 2010, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: RJMooreII on 23 September, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
QuoteThey did ok with the Bat-pod in the Dark Knight though. Tires like that would be fine.
I hated every design decision in the Dark Knight. I still liked the movie, I just thought they basically botched everything aesthetically.
QuoteThe film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
More departures from the canon stories? Are we ever going to see a Judge Dredd movie where he has to fight both sides of the MacDonalds/Burger King hamburger wars and the Jolly Green Giant? :lol:
I didn't like the Bat-bike re-design either-it looked ugly, impractical and clumsy.
I hope the Dredd production designers haven't drawn their inspiration from it.
But yeah, great film.
the bat bike only came close to lawmaster was with the wheels and the gunnery
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 23 September, 2010, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 23 September, 2010, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: RJMooreII on 23 September, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
QuoteThey did ok with the Bat-pod in the Dark Knight though. Tires like that would be fine.
I hated every design decision in the Dark Knight. I still liked the movie, I just thought they basically botched everything aesthetically.
QuoteThe film-makers don't want to give the audience reason to un-suspend their disbelief in a brutal future with (arguably!) impractical or over-designed elements.
More departures from the canon stories? Are we ever going to see a Judge Dredd movie where he has to fight both sides of the MacDonalds/Burger King hamburger wars and the Jolly Green Giant? :lol:
I didn't like the Bat-bike re-design either-it looked ugly, impractical and clumsy.
I hope the Dredd production designers haven't drawn their inspiration from it.
But yeah, great film.
the bat bike only came close to lawmaster was with the wheels and the gunnery
I don't know, I thought the gunnery was overcompensating a bit much. :lol:
Quote from: Garageman on 15 September, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 03:51:13 AM
There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film.
An R then is not an R now
And in case you haven't noticed a PG-13 then is not PG-13 now! :lol: Terminator Salvation was surprisingly Violent. However I think the ratings are a tad schizophrenic as
Star Trek 2009 was PG-13, but I think that was more PG then ''13'' . :crazy:
Quote from: Garageman on 22 September, 2010, 10:13:55 PM
Don't forget the black tights.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n97/purpleshana/sylvester_stallone.jpg)
Now imagine if he took the helmet off and all that Soul Glo flopped out? Thank God for small mercies.
Makes me wonder how it would've turned out with Weird Al playing the lead though. $$$ <
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 23 September, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 15 September, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 03:51:13 AM
There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film.
An R then is not an R now
And in case you haven't noticed a PG-13 then is not PG-13 now! :lol: Terminator Salvation was surprisingly Violent. However I think the ratings are a tad schizophrenic as
Star Trek 2009 was PG-13, but I think that was more PG then ''13'' . :crazy:
The difference between a PG and a PG-13, or even a PG-13 and an R etc. can apparently come down to how good a relationship the ratings board have with the studio in question. There are a
lot of politics involved.
Sly looks like a right cock in that picture (abit like Timmy Mallet on steroids)!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 24 September, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 23 September, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 15 September, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 15 September, 2010, 03:51:13 AM
There are many of us Dreddhead's in the states (at least the ones I know) Believe the R hurt the B.O. of the previous film.
An R then is not an R now
And in case you haven't noticed a PG-13 then is not PG-13 now! :lol: Terminator Salvation was surprisingly Violent. However I think the ratings are a tad schizophrenic as
Star Trek 2009 was PG-13, but I think that was more PG then ''13'' . :crazy:
The difference between a PG and a PG-13, or even a PG-13 and an R etc. can apparently come down to how good a relationship the ratings board have with the studio in question. There are a lot of politics involved.
Anyone here ever see ''this film is not yet rated''? if you haven't you should as it shows a lot about what goes on behind the scenes.
Also getting back to a previous topic, who here would like to give TOTO a try for the future Dredd films score? I love what they did for ''DUNE'' and I think they could do a good job.
I LOVE Vangelis, but I'm afraid we'd just get a ''Remixed'' Blade Runner.
Hate synth scores,i think they date badly.Much prefer classical.
Atticus Ross should do the sound track, he did sterling work on the book of eli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYo1tSM2qh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsT_WQ11jck
Just as long as it's not Danny Elfman, and includes no reference whatsoever to 'i am the law' by bloody anthrax (or the fink brothers, come to that), has a punchy, recognisable theme and reinforces the happy/sad/exciting/funny bits, and isnt some heavy metal mix up of shit nu metal bands who think 'dredd rawks, maaan, he's the fuckin duuude', or worse- rappers, then i dont really care.
SBT
^All of the above^
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 25 September, 2010, 12:19:56 AM
Anyone here ever see ''this film is not yet rated''? if you haven't you should as it shows a lot about what goes on behind the scenes.
Yeah, great film!
I still reckon they should see of Mansell would do it. He's got range, but, most importantly, all his scores are wonderful and relevant.
I just wanted to bring up that Stallone was disappointed with the original movie, and he himself thought that it should have stayed closer to the comics. He disapproved of the slap-stick sidekick and bad graphics, for example.
Quote from: RJMooreII on 25 September, 2010, 01:08:20 PM
I just wanted to bring up that Stallone was disappointed with the original movie, and he himself thought that it should have stayed closer to the comics. He disapproved of the slap-stick sidekick and bad graphics, for example.
In hindsight, he says these things now that he sees it's failure is so apparent, but those failures are what he signed up for.
Quote from: Garageman on 25 September, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
In hindsight, he says these things now that he sees it's failure is so apparent, but those failures are what he signed up for.
Well, once he's signed on and they actually start making the movie it's not as if he can just drop off set. Hell, pay me a couple million dollars and I'll be in the worst movie ever.
Quote from: RJMooreII on 25 September, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 25 September, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
In hindsight, he says these things now that he sees it's failure is so apparent, but those failures are what he signed up for.
Well, once he's signed on and they actually start making the movie it's not as if he can just drop off set. Hell, pay me a couple million dollars and I'll be in the worst movie ever.
hand bags at dawn heh heh
Quote from: RJMooreII on 25 September, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 25 September, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
In hindsight, he says these things now that he sees it's failure is so apparent, but those failures are what he signed up for.
Well, once he's signed on and they actually start making the movie it's not as if he can just drop off set. Hell, pay me a couple million dollars and I'll be in the worst movie ever.
Well, no. You can pretty much guarantee that a star with the influence of Stallone has messed with the script and insisted that it is changed to suit whatever whims he happened to have at the time.
There is also the fact that it was widely reported that he was a bit... overbearing to the then fresh-faced and (probably) overawed Danny Cannon.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 September, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
Well, no. You can pretty much guarantee that a star with the influence of Stallone has messed with the script and insisted that it is changed to suit whatever whims he happened to have at the time.
There is also the fact that it was widely reported that he was a bit... overbearing to the then fresh-faced and (probably) overawed Danny Cannon.
That may be true, I don't know. But the movies Stallone directs and writes himself are all pretty good, and while they're sometimes over the top they're never campy in a bad way.
Rambo and the Expendables were the only action movies in a decade I actually liked.
Quote from: RJMooreII on 25 September, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 25 September, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
In hindsight, he says these things now that he sees it's failure is so apparent, but those failures are what he signed up for.
Well, once he's signed on and they actually start making the movie it's not as if he can just drop off set. Hell, pay me a couple million dollars and I'll be in the worst movie ever.
He had a lot of say in the direction of that script, because the fact is if Stallone had not signed on for Dredd, the film would never have been made. As I said elsewhere the film was eventually tranformed into a typical Stallone vehicle from the typical Stallone template of "an innocent man accused of a crime he did not commit who then goes on the run" not as a film of Judge Dredd. It was tailored for Stallone because of his Hollywood clout.
Stallone was present at the reshoots which Danny Cannon was never allowed to be involved in after the initial production ended plus he was in the edit suite a lot when the producers didn't like what Cannon was showing them and Sly directed the editing of the Kiss sequence which he wanted in. Stallone had more power than Cannon who was basically a "director for hire".
It's also worth noting that Stallone's story is—how shall I put this?—'fluid'. He's changed stance on the '95 Dredd flick so many times. He's said it should have been darker, then funnier. It should have been more like the comics, but then more its own thing. He thought it was great, or rubbish, or a missed opportunity, or something he wishes he'd done better, or something he wishes he'd never done.
Aside from comic-book movies not having really broken in '95, I think the biggest and most apparent problem with Judge Dredd was that no-one understood the property. Throw in a rookie director, a by-the-numbers script and an overpaid past-his-prime Hollywood actor, and you've a recipe for disaster.
While I still worry about 201x's Dredd, the fact they're at least talking to John Wagner and asking his advice is hugely promising, and the fact Rebellion's actively involved is essential as well. In terms of those involved, we know Urban can act, and that Garland can write. The budget is smallish, but District 9 was fantastic and cheaper. I wonder about Pete Travis, but it's clear he doesn't want his career to stall, and Vantage Point at least performed well, despite split critical reception. In fact, the same is true of Urban—I imagine since Dredd is a lead (as opposed to his sometimes high-profile but oft supporting roles so far), he's going to seize this opportunity and do the best he possibly can.
QuoteAside from comic-book movies not having really broken in '95, I think the biggest and most apparent problem with Judge Dredd was that no-one understood the property. Throw in a rookie director, a by-the-numbers script and an overpaid past-his-prime Hollywood actor, and you've a recipe for disaster.
I agree with all of that aside from 'past-his-prime' :P Maybe inappropriate choice for the movie.
QuoteThe budget is smallish, but District 9 was fantastic and cheaper.
As I've said elsewhere, for some reason high budget special effects are becoming more unbelievable and plastic looking as time goes on; probably because of dumbass Executive meddling and the fact they're using it instead of (instead of complimenting) frankly better looking devices, like generating real effects out of real materials. Terminator 2 was made 19 years ago and it the CGI still looks decent, and often better than stuff that came out last summer.
My problems with Transformers notwithstanding (mainly ROTF) I think it had some of the best CGI I've ever seen. Probably the best infact. Though the circumstances are slightly different. They couldn't really afford to half-ass it when the supposedly main characters where all built on a computer screen.
Though a lot of big budget stuff looks crap aswell, like you say. I suppose it mainly comes down to the care and attention paid by those running the gig and bossing everyone around (note to Lucas).
I despised Transformers, both of them. Michael Bay and his 45 minutes per movie of U.S. military propaganda, nonsensical storylines with no basis in the show or comics, and robots who bear no resemblence to the actual Transformers. Gah.
Quote from: SAJse on 26 September, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
My problems with Transformers notwithstanding (mainly ROTF) I think it had some of the best CGI I've ever seen. Probably the best infact.
I thought the CGI on Transformers was too fast, blurry and really confusing. Most of the fight scenes looked like a load of Meccano in a tuble dryer. I couldn't tell which big robot was which or who was fighting who. And neither did I care.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2010, 06:52:35 PM
He's said it should have been darker, then funnier. It should have been more like the comics, but then more its own thing. He thought it was great, or rubbish, or a missed opportunity, or something he wishes he'd done better, or something he wishes he'd never done.
To be honest, with the exception of "It was great", I agree 100% with him on the rest.
It
should have been darker, funnier, more like the comics but also able to stand on its own. It
was rubbish, a missed opportunity and something he should have either done better or not at all.
QuoteI thought the CGI on Transformers was too fast, blurry and really confusing. Most of the fight scenes looked like a load of Meccano in a tuble dryer. I couldn't tell which big robot was which or who was fighting who. And neither did I care.
I've never watched either of the
Transformers movies all the way through, but from what I have seen I thought the design of the robot characters was very poor. A well designed character of creature should be immediately recognisable from it's silhouette alone, but they were all indistinguishable - especially when fighting one another.
It looks to me like they tried so hard making them look 'realistic' and the transformations appear vaguely plausible (a waste of time in such a film imo) they forgot to give them any distinctiveness or character. They look too 'bitty' and lack solidity.
On Transformers, the CGI was actually mostly very good indeed—it's the direction that was utterly dreadful. Still shots are fine, with enough clarity—it's the constant camera wobble and slam-cutting that ruined the visuals on that movie. (I don't agree regarding the designs, at least entirely—humans look similar in silhouettes, and the Autobots in both films were easy enough to distinguish. The second film had a definite 'generic' Decepticon problem though, along with having a script that cunningly ditched every good bit about the first film and just concentrated on the awful stuff.)
On Stallone, my point was more that he's never been consistent. At some points, his opinion of Judge Dredd has been spot-on, but it constantly changes. One minute, he's ruing the fact that it wasn't dark enough, but then he's moaning that it wasn't 'funny' and that it should have been more like a 'comic' (as in the Beano or something). Even now, I don't think he gets the character at all.
Yeah, that I can go along with. I'm still not sure what he meant with his oft-quoted "Hamlet 'n eggs" thing other than "Hey Ma, I done made a funny - Hyuk hyuk hyuk".
I bought my son a giant sized 'Judoon' figure from Forbidden Planet on Saturday (only £3.99, bargain!), and was struck by the similarity between his and Dredd's shoulder armour.
I think the movie armour would look good based on this sort of design with some colour changes. What do people think?
(http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/spaceghost71/judoon1.jpg)
by the way, that's not a picture of the figure. It's not that big...
All aliens should wear New Rock Reactors
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2010, 10:19:13 AM
...he's ruing the fact that it wasn't dark enough, but then he's moaning that it wasn't 'funny'...
But those aren't contradictory. The actual Judge Dredd comics are both dark and funny. The fact that it's so insanely grim is part of the joke.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 25 September, 2010, 08:20:32 AM
Just as long as it's not Danny Elfman, and includes no reference whatsoever to 'i am the law' by bloody anthrax (or the fink brothers, come to that), has a punchy, recognisable theme and reinforces the happy/sad/exciting/funny bits, and isnt some heavy metal mix up of shit nu metal bands who think 'dredd rawks, maaan, he's the fuckin duuude', or worse- rappers, then i dont really care.
SBT
I'm going to think a little out of the box here, but I would love to see Brendon Small
(Home Movies, Metalocalypse) do the music for the movie. I think the guy is a real musical genius.
Behold my drunken sweeping statements:
Brendan Small? Good shout, whether or not he'd do it is another matter entirely.
*BURP*
CGI?
Ye know the difference between CGI and Special Effects? That word: SPECIAL
A good special effect is like a magic trick. Give me Ray Harryhousen over Pixar anyday.
*BURP*
And on a side note about the Transformers movies, the CGI was alright, but at one point they were described at as 'biological shape-shifting life-forms'. No Michael Bay, they are not. The correct taxonomy is 'ROBOTS IN DISGUISE'.
*BURP*
The uniform is going to look different to what we're used to seeing. Different may be interpreted as completely wrong. I'm reserving judgement
*BURP*
Taxi fer Pops
Quote from: pops1983 on 27 September, 2010, 10:44:32 PM
Behold my drunken sweeping statements:
Brendan Small? Good shout, whether or not he'd do it is another matter entirely.
*BURP*
CGI?
Ye know the difference between CGI and Special Effects? That word: SPECIAL
A good special effect is like a magic trick. Give me Ray Harryhousen over Pixar anyday.
*BURP*
And on a side note about the Transformers movies, the CGI was alright, but at one point they were described at as 'biological shape-shifting life-forms'. No Michael Bay, they are not. The correct taxonomy is 'ROBOTS IN DISGUISE'.
*BURP*
The uniform is going to look different to what we're used to seeing. Different may be interpreted as completely wrong. I'm reserving judgement
*BURP*
Taxi fer Pops
Typing from a laptop or do they have computers in bars where yer at? :lol:
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2010, 10:19:13 AM
On Transformers, the CGI was actually mostly very good indeed—it's the direction that was utterly dreadful. Still shots are fine, with enough clarity—it's the constant camera wobble and slam-cutting that ruined the visuals on that movie.
Yeah, that's what I meant. I wouldn't mind seeing an ABC Warrior made by these guys, minus Bay filming it from a Boing bubble.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 27 September, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
by the way, that's not a picture of the figure. It's not that big...
I was a little confused there for a sec.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 27 September, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
by the way, that's not a picture of the figure. It's not that big...
That's what she said.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 27 September, 2010, 11:06:15 PM
Quote from: pops1983 on 27 September, 2010, 10:44:32 PM
Behold my drunken sweeping statements:
Brendan Small? Good shout, whether or not he'd do it is another matter entirely.
*BURP*
CGI?
Ye know the difference between CGI and Special Effects? That word: SPECIAL
A good special effect is like a magic trick. Give me Ray Harryhousen over Pixar anyday.
*BURP*
And on a side note about the Transformers movies, the CGI was alright, but at one point they were described at as 'biological shape-shifting life-forms'. No Michael Bay, they are not. The correct taxonomy is 'ROBOTS IN DISGUISE'.
*BURP*
The uniform is going to look different to what we're used to seeing. Different may be interpreted as completely wrong. I'm reserving judgement
*BURP*
Taxi fer Pops
Typing from a laptop or do they have computers in bars where yer at? :lol:
Typing on the shitter, in the bar I used to work in :lol: Loadsa free booze. S'right
I think I'm gonna like you ''pops'' :lol:
Yeah the music could be the thing which will really F**k this up. Definitely NO METAL. And NO RAP either! I hope I never hear a bloody rap song ever again! Don't get me wrong, I've done my fair share of Venom and BDP, but I don't want it in Dredd. As for Vangelis... my god... can't think of much worse! >:(
Only watched Transformers 2 recently, and it hit me watching it that its really odd Michael Bay is considered Mr Blockbuster Explodey Action Movie, because if there's one thing he consistently proves he can't film to save himself, its coherant and exciting action scenes. Instead he should be remembered for the ludicrous amounts of fake tan he piles on his actors.
I've said it before, but I would like a grungy score by John Murphy (who did 28 Days Later and Sunshine). Failing that, a dark electronica compilation by Warp records artists would do the job. Something sparse, futuristic and alien sounding.
The type of film 'Dredd' is likely to be - gritty, bleak, lean and violent - isn't going to suit a traditional orchestral score or 'theme'. I also think the producers will have better taste than to put any metal on the soundtrack.
Quote from: Garageman on 25 September, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
the fact is if Stallone had not signed on for Dredd, the film would never have been made. As I said elsewhere the film was eventually tranformed into a typical Stallone vehicle from the typical Stallone template of "an innocent man accused of a crime he did not commit who then goes on the run" not as a film of Judge Dredd. It was tailored for Stallone because of his Hollywood clout.
Stallone was present at the reshoots which Danny Cannon was never allowed to be involved in after the initial production ended plus he was in the edit suite a lot when the producers didn't like what Cannon was showing them and Sly directed the editing of the Kiss sequence which he wanted in. Stallone had more power than Cannon who was basically a "director for hire".
I would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
Regarding score, I hope they go stay the heck away from both metal and rap songs, as both would do nothing but date the movie horribly.
But I wouldn't necessarily want a classic orchestral score either.
Don't shoot me, but I think something akin to the "Resident Evil" score would be terrific...
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
Personally, I thought Silvestri's score for the Stallone film was perfect. It's one of the things I really like about the film. I loved that reprising main theme. I know they won't, but I would actually really like it if they worked Silvestri's theme into the new film's score. I've gotten kind of fond of it and it feels very Dredd-ish to me now. The soundtrack itself was actually pretty cool too with The Cure, Cocteau Twins and Leftfield tracks. At any rate, it was pretty cool stuff at the time to a junior high school kid from middle-America.
Welcome to the boards. :)
Quote from: VideoKidVsTheVoid on 28 September, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
Personally, I thought Silvestri's score for the Stallone film was perfect. It's one of the things I really like about the film. I loved that reprising main theme. I know they won't, but I would actually really like it if they worked Silvestri's theme into the new film's score.
Could not agree with you more! :thumbsup:
Quote from: VideoKidVsTheVoid on 28 September, 2010, 04:23:54 PMThe soundtrack itself was actually pretty cool too with The Cure, Cocteau Twins and Leftfield tracks. At any rate, it was pretty cool stuff at the time to a junior high school kid from middle-America.
Could not Disagree with you more. :lol:
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
Also known as the "cup the balls" incident.
Quote from: Garageman on 28 September, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
Also known as the "cup the balls" incident.
:eh: What are you guys talking about?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 28 September, 2010, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 September, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
Also known as the "cup the balls" incident.
:eh: What are you guys talking about?
QuoteAlthough some say this story is an urban legend, Sly Stallone, while making the
movie Judge Dredd, had sex with an extra, forgetting that he was still wearing
his microphone. The whole crew supposedly heard him telling the girl, "Slap my
butt."
To add to his humiliation, the cast had T-shirts made up and wore them the next
day. They said, "Slap My Butt."
http://groups.google.ie/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/505a1580ccf32978/ae82a372b33361ba%23ae82a372b33361ba (http://groups.google.ie/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/505a1580ccf32978/ae82a372b33361ba%23ae82a372b33361ba)
Quote from: Cyclopz on 28 September, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 28 September, 2010, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 28 September, 2010, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
Also known as the "cup the balls" incident.
:eh: What are you guys talking about?
QuoteAlthough some say this story is an urban legend, Sly Stallone, while making the
movie Judge Dredd, had sex with an extra, forgetting that he was still wearing
his microphone. The whole crew supposedly heard him telling the girl, "Slap my
butt."
To add to his humiliation, the cast had T-shirts made up and wore them the next
day. They said, "Slap My Butt."
http://groups.google.ie/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/505a1580ccf32978/ae82a372b33361ba%23ae82a372b33361ba (http://groups.google.ie/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/505a1580ccf32978/ae82a372b33361ba%23ae82a372b33361ba)
Channeling ''George Takei''
OH...MY! :-[ :lol:
Think he wore the helmet while doing it? :o
Loving all the hype for this movie. DREDD is a cool title, the girl cast for Anderson looks good, filming starts soon... nice!
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 29 September, 2010, 03:03:53 AM
Loving all the hype for this movie. DREDD is a cool title, the girl cast for Anderson looks good, filming starts soon... nice!
Hopefully we'll start to see just a small peak at some concept art.
the "Slap My Butt!" incident...? :lol: the "cup the balls" incident. :o Shit, you lot really know your Dredd stuff, don't you? I was under the impression Dredd didn't have balls, as he is a clone and there is no need for him to reproduce. Looking at the photo of 'Sly' posted earlier, I'd say he was chosen as Dredd specifically for this reason.
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
QuoteI would very much like to know more about happened behind the scenes of the 1995 movie.
Do you know where I could find that?
About the "Slap My Butt!" incident...?
I was thinking more about what the movie originally was intented to be, and what Stallone/the producers/Cannon did to pervert into what it became, but hey, that stuff is cool too...
QuoteTyping on the shitter, in the bar I used to work in Loadsa free booze. S'right
Heh. Glad I'm not the only one who posts here while rat-arsed. More than once I've had to nervously re-check the previous night's postings, peering through quaking fingers.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 29 September, 2010, 03:45:08 AM
Hopefully we'll start to see just a small peak at some concept art.
I had a read through my 'Art of Judge Dredd the Movie' book last night at the concept art for the 95 film. What struck me was how much excellent work went into it by Kev Walker. Lots of lovely sets and design pieces which at their heart were very MC1 and very Dredd. Then you can see the other concept artists take those ideas and subtly drain what is so right about them out. I hope Jocks concepts and designs make it further through the process than Mr Walkers. I'll certainly be more circumspect now looking at any design work for the new film, waiting to see what they actually end up with.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 29 September, 2010, 08:52:44 AM
QuoteTyping on the shitter, in the bar I used to work in Loadsa free booze. S'right
Heh. Glad I'm not the only one who posts here while rat-arsed. More than once I've had to nervously re-check the previous night's postings, peering through quaking fingers.
Me too. He was quite coherent though.
This is a STUPID question I know, but just humor me m'kay?
John Wagner is the creator of Dredd, right?
But does that mean he owns the character?
No, the character and stories are owned by Rebellion. They hold all usage rights to the character. Rebellion are then able to grant legal rights of limited duration for other parties to exploit the character such as for merchandise, or making a film.
BTW, the film rights will almost certainly preclude anyone from making a TV show of the property (or any realated characters or situations), and probably have a say in video game production.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 30 September, 2010, 08:38:26 AM
No, the character and stories are owned by Rebellion. They hold all usage rights to the character. Rebellion are then able to grant legal rights of limited duration for other parties to exploit the character such as for merchandise, or making a film.
BTW, the film rights will almost certainly preclude anyone from making a TV show of the property (or any realated characters or situations), and probably have a say in video game production.
Going on the basis of rights for other film adaptations (LotR, Spiderman ect) rights to things like computer games and merchandise tend to be separated into movie rights and book rights. A lot of the LotR console games could only use characters and situations from the films, LotR Online however was licensed under the book rights so could use any characters and locations from the books but none created especially for the film. I'm sure CF can confirm it but looking at the items in his cellar blog the Dredd film had a knock on effect of more Dredd comic merchandise unrelated to the film itself. All good for us fans, although maybe not CF's bank balance
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/112/1124600p1.html
Urban, while promoting Red, was asked about Dredd.
Things are going great - we've got a really great script and we're putting together a really fantastic cast. Pete Travis is directing and we're going to start shooting in about eight weeks in South Africa.
It is kind of based on an amalgamation of stories. It's a day-in-the-life of Dredd as he gets to put his rookie — Anderson — through her paces. It's going to be hardcore.
It's going to be much more gritty, much more real — the environment, Mega City One, is going to feel like a real city. It's not going to feel like a Hollywood back-lot. There will be no gold cod-pieces, and we're definitely going to stay faithful to the way that the character was originally conceived and written. He'll keep helmet on.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 30 September, 2010, 07:53:34 PM
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/112/1124600p1.html
It's going to be much more gritty, much more real — the environment, Mega City One, is going to feel like a real city. It's not going to feel like a Hollywood back-lot. There will be no gold cod-pieces, and we're definitely going to stay faithful to the way that the character was originally conceived and written. He'll keep helmet on.[/i]
I don't know how to feel about this.
So is MC-1 just going to look like a modern day city only bigger?
I mean what does he mean by ''feel like a real city''?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 30 September, 2010, 10:14:33 PM
It's not going to feel like a Hollywood back-lot.
Thats all he means by real. I seriously doubt they are gonna make it look like a current day city. Really.
Well this part made me feel better...
Quote from: CraveNoir on 30 September, 2010, 07:53:34 PM
There will be no gold cod-pieces, and we're definitely going to stay faithful to the way that the character was originally conceived and written. He'll keep helmet on.[/i]
Did I miss the news on who will distribute the movie stateside?
Or have they yet to Announce it?
And is that a good or bad sign?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 October, 2010, 03:04:57 AM
Did I miss the news on who will distribute the movie stateside?
Or have they yet to Announce it?
And is that a good or bad sign?
I don't believe it has been announced, they boxed off the rest of the world pretty easily so I'd imagine the lack of an announcement on the US distribution could be down to them weighing up offers.
My take on the city, is that it is going to be more like a 2070 'Origins' style city rather than the more familiar MC1.
The Big Meg Is the Big Meg, no difference to how it was conceived by Carlos/Wagner way back to how it's portrayed now. May hint at the budget restrictions of what's possible. I feel a 'Hardware' type feel to this movie might be in the offing (remember the movie based on a future shock short from years back)?
Quote from: dracula1 on 01 October, 2010, 11:07:57 AM
The Big Meg Is the Big Meg, no difference to how it was conceived by Carlos/Wagner way back to how it's portrayed now. May hint at the budget restrictions of what's possible. I feel a 'Hardware' type feel to this movie might be in the offing (remember the movie based on a future shock short from years back)?
I'm sure it will have a far larger scope than Hardware. The sets for that film looked like they were knocked up for about ten quid!
By the time they've paid Urban his fee's and done all the 3d technical stuff a tenner might be whats left for the special effects! :P
Quote from: dracula1 on 01 October, 2010, 12:29:59 PM
By the time they've paid Urban his fee's and done all the 3d technical stuff a tenner might be whats left for the special effects! :P
Urban won't be on a 'nth' of what Stallone was on-don't fret! :)
Phewww!!!! :D
Interviewer:
"Are you gonna pay homage to the first film and throw in some Stallone lines?"
Karl Urban:
"No"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKZxajfY1w
I didn't realise he had an English/Australian/New Zealand accent.
Think the producers of this movie read these forums?
If they know what's good for them!
(I just wanted to say that, it sounded cool :D)
And Karl Urban is definitely rockin' in the badass interviews promoting this.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 02 October, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
And Karl Urban is definitely rockin' in the badass interviews promoting this.
I think they made the right decision casting him as Dredd. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cyclopz on 02 October, 2010, 01:18:32 AM
Interviewer:
"Are you gonna pay homage to the first film and throw in some Stallone lines?"
Karl Urban:
"No"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKZxajfY1w
Was it me or was Karl Urban really conveying a "you dont know what the fuck your talking about" in his reply to that interviewer there ?
To that end you can see Karl is focused for this movie.
First of all i did think that casting Carl Urban as JD was a bad idea but that was mostly based on looks and i said as much here as i didnt know anything about him otherwise.
But the more i listen to him talk in interviews i like the idea more and more and more particularly as he comes across as very intelligent and articulate and clearly isnt just another emptyhead actor.
Its clear in that interview linked above that the interviewer was a complete idiot and i could tell what Carl Urban was thinking when asked that idiotic question but he tried to hide it well but i liked the way it killed the interview as it ended right there and then and i liked the way he answered it .
"How can we find a way to make the film like even more arsesumm i mean like even more arsesumm than it is like already so its like you know like totally arsesumm...."
Roseanne Barr or Kathy Bates for Ma Ma Clang?
Read the first few pages of the script and i just pictured Roseanne for some unknown reason? not seen her for years but i think it could work... sorta
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 October, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
Roseanne Barr or Kathy Bates for Ma Ma Clang?
Read the first few pages of the script and i just pictured Roseanne for some unknown reason? not seen her for years but i think it could work... sorta
I was thinking more like Futuramas very own...
(http://slurmed.com/fanart/javier/201_mom-smiles.gif)
June Brown?
(http://images.newstatesman.com/articles/2007/969/970_p17.2.jpg)
Wow, serious interviewing there.
[spoiler]"As a rider of Rohan, what was it like to get the shit kicked out of you by John McClaine?"[/spoiler]
[spoiler]"So, uh, you are typically are in just nothing but awesome movies. Uh, do you always go "Hey, that's an awesome movie, you guys need some Karl Urban" or do they go "What can we make this to make it more awesome? Get me some Karl Urban"...[/spoiler]
Couldn't they have got a five year old to interview him, or something?
Either Dot or Babs Windsor would do or Betty off Corrie?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 October, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
Roseanne Barr or Kathy Bates for Ma Ma Clang?
Read the first few pages of the script and i just pictured Roseanne for some unknown reason? not seen her for years but i think it could work... sorta
I can see someone like Miranda Richardson, Sigorney Weaver, Helena Bonham-Carter, or Glenn Close in prosthetics.
Glen Close is amazing in everything she does so yeah.
Bella Emberg.
How about Zelda from the Terrahawks ;)
(http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0S0zuwmfadM7GQAuQVWBQx./SIG=12ktr04iu/EXP=1286131366/**http%3a//www.virginmedia.com/images/puppets-terrahawks-290x400.jpg)
How is "Ma Ma Clang" percieved to be ? Do we have any idea of age, stature, race or persona ?
Im taking this woman (if it is one) is the "arch villian" of the story.?
she's an enormously fat, middle aged ex-prostitute turned ruthless gang boss.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 October, 2010, 08:55:11 PM
she's an enormously fat, middle aged ex-prostitute turned ruthless gang boss.
Thanks for the update :)
Dawn French
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/HLZzDCU1Dvd/French+Saunders+Play+Sydney/mQxwu0oUS2a
DREDD knows wno,s guilty and who,s not
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 02 October, 2010, 10:14:56 PM
DREDD knows wno,s guilty and who,s not
I think Death might challenge him on that one.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 October, 2010, 08:55:11 PM
she's an enormously fat, middle aged ex-prostitute turned ruthless gang boss.
If that's in the movie, I'm liking the sound of that.
(still haven't read the script)
Quote from: George Moore on 02 October, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 October, 2010, 02:19:23 PM
Roseanne Barr or Kathy Bates for Ma Ma Clang?
Read the first few pages of the script and i just pictured Roseanne for some unknown reason? not seen her for years but i think it could work... sorta
I was thinking more like Futuramas very own...
(http://slurmed.com/fanart/javier/201_mom-smiles.gif)
How about Phyllis Diller in a fat suit? With that voice of hers and a great make-up/fat suit-prosthetics I think she'd make a mean villain.
(especially with her already wide eyed & crazy look (as seen here)
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/38/59178-9202a8c04000641f80000000078a16aephyllis-diller_large.jpg) (http://www.screened.com/9202a8c04000641f80000000078a16aephyllis-diller/131-59178/) :lol:
How about Kirstie Alley ?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SXJr2uq5jcA/S7F8j_zyooI/AAAAAAAAA38/xhdZAwfARGs/s1600/03.29.10_kirstie_alley_oprah.jpg)
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 03 October, 2010, 06:55:06 AM
How about Phyllis Diller in a fat suit? With that voice of hers and a great make-up/fat suit-prosthetics I think she'd make a mean villain.
(especially with her already wide eyed & crazy look (as seen here)
I can see a slightly insane looking grannie/mumsie type like that being good in the role (i.e. she seems sweet, will call you 'dearie' but she'll happily pop a cap in your ass if you get in her way, or worse, feed you to her mutie corgis) but you couldn't put an old lady like that in a fat-suit!
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 03 October, 2010, 10:52:09 AM
How about Kirstie Alley ?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SXJr2uq5jcA/S7F8j_zyooI/AAAAAAAAA38/xhdZAwfARGs/s1600/03.29.10_kirstie_alley_oprah.jpg)
Good shout,always have her look pissed and it could work.
my god her neck is attempting to eat her head.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Radbacker on 04 October, 2010, 12:11:55 PM
my god her neck is attempting to eat her head.
CU Radbacker
Otherwise known as "Lucas Neck Syndrome".
(http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/george-lucas/pictures/george-lucas-picture-5.jpg)
All that money he must have and he can't get rid of that neck?
Maybe he was his own inspiration?
Still no word on a US Distributor then? Hopefully there is some real buzz about this movie behind the scenes. For a close comparison Solomon Kane never got a theatrical release in America and missed out big time at the box office.
There's been no word, which I think we can take to mean there's no deal yet. For all we know there's progress being made behind closed doors. Either way there's still plenty of time.
Jock tweeted a couple of hours ago:
jock4twenty: more DREDD work just come in. logo's, billboards, more costumes.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 04 October, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
There's been no word, which I think we can take to mean there's no deal yet. For all we know there's progress being made behind closed doors. Either way there's still plenty of time.
Jock tweeted a couple of hours ago:
jock4twenty: more DREDD work just come in. logo's, billboards, more costumes.
Maybe a few snippets will emerge in the coming weeks regarding productions shots.
Im guessing although theres a fair proportion of green screen being used, basic apartment sets and a few other locales (grand hall interiors etc) will be created.
Quote from: CraveNoir link=topic=28503.msg552002#msg552002 date=1286222083
Jock tweeted a couple of hours ago:
i]jock4twenty: more DREDD work just come in. logo's, billboards, more costumes.[/i]
Somebody tell that man how to use an apostrophe before they let him design any billboards!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Goosegash on 04 October, 2010, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: Radbacker on 04 October, 2010, 12:11:55 PM
my god her neck is attempting to eat her head.
CU Radbacker
Otherwise known as "Lucas Neck Syndrome".
(http://images.askmen.com/galleries/men/george-lucas/pictures/george-lucas-picture-5.jpg)
I think we should all thank our lucky stars Lucas ain't anywhere near this new dredd production. :lol:
QuoteCT Film Studios snares major film
Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:04
The brand new multimillion rand Hollywood-style studio complex, Cape Town Film Studios (CTFS), officially opens its doors in September to host production on Judge Dredd, a 3D live action international feature film produced by DNA Films (Trainspotting, The Beach, The Last King of Scotland).
CTFS CEO Nico Dekker says that the studio complex was not originally scheduled to be fully operational as early as September. "So we have been through quite an intense process to get ready for Judge Dredd. A core team from DNA Films has been here since 23 August and we've been working around them, laying cables, putting in roads and landscaping the backlot. It's been a fantastic process and I'm grateful for the trust that DNA Films has put in us. They will use most of the 17 000 square metres we have available, including our four sound stages."
The American co-producer on Judge Dredd, Michael S Murphey (supervising producer on the South African megahit District 9), says that DNA Films, like many European companies, was interested in exploring South Africa as a possible location.
"At first they considered Johannesburg but there were concerns about where the studio shoot would take place. The next logical step was to investigate Cape Town Film Studios. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's one of best studios I've ever seen anywhere in the world," he explains.
Read more in the September 2010 issue of Screen Africa
Taken from http://www.screenafrica.com/ (http://www.screenafrica.com/) the article contains more info but I cant find the link to download the pdf version.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 05 October, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
I think we should all thank our lucky stars Lucas ain't anywhere near this new dredd production. :lol:
I don't know, I think I could suffer another Dredd Turkey if it financially ruined George Lucas
I'm still trying to get over George Lucas' neck! Amazing how far CGI has come.... I would have sworn that neck was real!
Clip of Bruce Willis and Karl Urban interview, promoting RED. Urban giving the "harcore, gritty, faithful to the comic, keeping helmet on" shpeel. Says it's six weeks from shooting.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/karl-urban-talks-judge-dread-reboot-how-will-it-be-more-like-the-comic_video_1252726
also posted on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk4yNTleb_Y&feature=youtu.be&a
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 04 October, 2010, 09:32:23 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir link=topic=28503.msg552002#msg552002 date=1286222083
Jock tweeted a couple of hours ago:
i]jock4twenty: more DREDD work just come in. logo's, billboards, more costumes.[/i]
Somebody tell that man how to use an apostrophe before they let him design any billboards!
Cheers
Jim
holds hands up - whoops! totally right there jim. artists grammar. i'll be sure to get some mistakes on screen just for you. sorry, i mean mistake's.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 05 October, 2010, 09:36:07 AM
Clip of Bruce Willis and Karl Urban interview, promoting RED. Urban giving the "harcore, gritty, faithful to the comic, keeping helmet on" shpeel. Says it's six weeks from shooting.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/karl-urban-talks-judge-dread-reboot-how-will-it-be-more-like-the-comic_video_1252726
also posted on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk4yNTleb_Y&feature=youtu.be&a
Ooh Judge Dread reboot. A new film about the reggae singer.
Quoteartists grammar
And you did that on purpose as well?
Because signs are always correct... ;)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 05 October, 2010, 12:43:52 PM
Quoteartists grammar
And you did that on purpose as well?
i'm not very possessive about being an artist.
Quote from: minus on 05 October, 2010, 02:40:56 AM
I'm still trying to get over George Lucas' neck! Amazing how far CGI has come.... I would have sworn that neck was real!
I must say i never noticed it before but it looks freaky but you do an image search as every photo is the same.
I did an image search.... I think the neck has gotten bigger after each new Star Wars episode. Either that, or his head is getting smaller! :lol:
Termight's Dredd Badge shows up in this article.
http://www.celebritysentry.com/actors/karl-urban-talks-dark-helmeted-dredd-screen-rant/
There's nothing new here, and best ignore the "Dredd is set to lens in ten weeks", as the author didn't change it when cribbing from an old article on Empire (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=28952). Urban himself said only yesterday that he'll be showing up for work in six weeks.
Quote from: jock on 05 October, 2010, 09:39:51 AM
sorry, i mean mistake's.
I hate you. I just thought you should know.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 October, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: jock on 05 October, 2010, 09:39:51 AM
sorry, i mean mistake's.
I hate you. I just thought you should know.
I thought it was the done thing to fill your script with typos, just to make the letterer's day more interesting?
Here's Judge Anderson ;)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/MegacityJusticeUK%20Items/JudgeAnderson.jpg)
Edge interview with Alex Garland. A couple of Dredd comments. More confirmation that it will be shot in native 3D.
We're supposed to be making Judge Dredd in 3D, but will that be a bad idea in three years' time? Will the fad be over?
Is that native 3D?
We're planning to shoot in 3D.
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-alex-garland-part-two
Not going to lie,i'm thinking very perverse ''leave the uniform on'' thoughts.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 05 October, 2010, 07:23:16 PM
Not going to lie,i'm thinking very perverse ''leave the uniform on'' thoughts.
She knows what you're thinking.
Very good point,guess thats me off to the perv cubes
...when I was 15, I spent the weekend with a friend from school drawing Anderson in the raw. :lol: We sent it to Tharg but it never appeared in the Nerve Centre. It was a great drawing too!
'in the raw' not heard that for years lol.I'm sure i saw a sexy drawing of Anderson once years ago unzipping her uniform,or was it just a pervy kids dream?
HA HA! "in the raw"! I'm becoming and old fart faster than I imagined! HELP!
Nice pictures! The top one looks a bit like that 'Princess' Diana character from the 20th Century who ended up at Resyk! (ReSyk, Inc was founded in 1999 specializing in processing mixtures of contaminated plastics.... so Google has just informed me). Just woken up at 1.30PM.... not sure what century this is.... :o
Anyway, way off topic here!! :o Maybe this Anderson in the raw thing should be a new topic... if it hasn't been done already! Or one of those drawing comps I have seen here before...
Waaaaaay too many links in that chain ::)
That fine top pic is by our Uncle Fester IIRC. From the great 2000AD advent calendar 2009.
Better to leave these things to the imagination rather than the long chain version approach.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 October, 2010, 03:36:35 AM
Waaaaaay too many links in that chain ::)
Also, as of Prog 1704 that topiary is plainly not regulation.
I wonder if The Dredd Movie will get a B-Movie clone like snakes on a train and the terminators.
It would definitely be worth a watch just to see what shite them come up with. How about Future Cop as a title or Dread.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 October, 2010, 09:59:03 PM
I wonder if The Dredd Movie will get a B-Movie clone like snakes on a train and the terminators.
It would definitely be worth a watch just to see what shite them come up with. How about Future Cop as a title or Dread.
V
I betcha dollars to donuts this is what we get. :'(
Or worse yet, we end up this...
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/1045/72809-punisher_warzone_finalposter_full_large.jpg) (http://www.screened.com/punisher_warzone_finalposter_full/131-72809/)
:sick:
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 07 October, 2010, 12:26:45 AM
Or worse yet, we end up this...
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/1045/72809-punisher_warzone_finalposter_full_large.jpg) (http://www.screened.com/punisher_warzone_finalposter_full/131-72809/)
:sick:
Still better than the Thomas Jane effort.
Quote from: Ratty on 07 October, 2010, 01:08:25 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 07 October, 2010, 12:26:45 AM
Or worse yet, we end up this...
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/1045/72809-punisher_warzone_finalposter_full_large.jpg) (http://www.screened.com/punisher_warzone_finalposter_full/131-72809/)
:sick:
Still better than the Thomas Jane effort.
Are you serious? what was so good about Warzone?
It was absolute CRAP!
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 07 October, 2010, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: Ratty on 07 October, 2010, 01:08:25 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 07 October, 2010, 12:26:45 AM
Or worse yet, we end up this...
(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/1045/72809-punisher_warzone_finalposter_full_large.jpg) (http://www.screened.com/punisher_warzone_finalposter_full/131-72809/)
:sick:
Still better than the Thomas Jane effort.
Are you serious? what was so good about Warzone?
It was absolute CRAP!
What was good about Punisher: War Zone was that for all its flaws, it got the portrayal and background/origin of Frank Castle AKA The Punisher RIGHT.
The story left some to be desired, true; the villains were a joke, and the overall tone too campy, but it got the Frank Castle characther, who he is and why he does what he does right.
Also, it had the right level of violence.
All the previous movies with Punisher in the title, including that horrid joke starring Tom Jane, were Punisher in name only. Those movies had been better off been called something else, as they failed to capture the personality of Frank Castle, they failed in finding what makes him tick, and worst of all, they failed absolutely miserably in giving him motivation to do what he does.
For worst case scenario, you'd be better off posting a picture of the 2004 so called "The Punisher" starring Tom Jane.
The Judge Dredd equalient of that would be that Dredd himself was a below par insubordinate emo judge, an unpopular outsider on the force who spends his days feeling sorry for himself, and really wants another job but carries on as a Judge just because he made a promise to his father Fargo on his deathbed. He really just want to be with his stripper girlfriend who just dumped him for one of the more poular judges on the force.
Wereas a Judge Dredd equalient of Punisher War Zone would be THE Judge Dredd we know and love, with the background and motivation we love him for, who just happened to be in a movie where there is too WAY much focus on simps and fatties. In other words, not the best Judge Dredd movie there could be, but miles better than what came before.
Just like Punisher War Zone isn't the best Punisher movie there could be, but is still miles better than what came before.
I actually quite enjoyed the Thomas Jane Punisher-in an old school action movie kind of way.
Though I admit I haven't seen Punisher-War Zone, although I've read it had a lot of problems during production. I might have to give it a go at some point.
Garth Ennis' 'Welcome Back Frank' which formed the basis of the first Punisher movie is genius however, whatever the final movie turned out to be like.
After not watching any movies for years I decided, on a whim, to watch all Marvel adaps (of the mdern era so no Lundgren Punisher for me) in the order of their release. I have still not caught up, the overall quality level not being high enough to sustain my interest for more than a couple at a time.
War Zone is next on the list, still unwatched, so can't comment on that score (although on gut instinct alone I felt that the lead was woefully miscast, what do I know?, he's one of the few things most people praise about the film) but I have seen the Thomas Jane movie and can honestly say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. It had it's flaws but was much better than I expected it to be and Jane nailed it. He should have been back.
The fact that he wasn't is part of a much bigger problem to my mind. Studios are far to quick to give up, none of them have the courage of their convictions anymore. The Avengers will see a 3rd Hulk in as many movies, Spiderman is being rebooted, FF completely rebooted, Punisher has now been 3 guys in as many films, although scrapping the Lundgren movie would have made sense after so long even if it had been a classic. Daredevil wasn't perfect so we got a weak Electra movie instead of a sequel. It just seems too easy to start from scratch rather than say "yeah, we made some mistakes but we'll learn from them and do better in the sequel.
I'm actually genuinely shocked that Nicholas Cage is gonna be in Ghost Rider 2.
Anyway, Dredd...
Austin Live's Bettie Cross interviews Karl Urban for his new film RED. He talks about getting in shape for the role. 9mins 30sec in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVJBfzlBn4
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 07 October, 2010, 04:11:09 PM
.... Studios are far to quick to give up, none of them have the courage of their convictions anymore. The Avengers will see a 3rd Hulk in as many movies, Spiderman is being rebooted, FF completely rebooted, Punisher has now been 3 guys in as many films, although scrapping the Lundgren movie would have made sense after so long even if it had been a classic. Daredevil wasn't perfect so we got a weak Electra movie instead of a sequel. It just seems too easy to start from scratch rather than say "yeah, we made some mistakes but we'll learn from them and do better in the sequel.
I see your point, but I think they were right to re-cast in those cases. They have yet to get Bruce Banner right, Toby Maguire's getting on a bit, and Spideman 3 completely ruined what was a decent pair of films. Ben Affleck? It's not good when Codin Fartill steals the show.
But I agree, they reboot because they get it wrong and they get it wrong because they think they know how to portray an established well loved character better than the people who made that character established and well loved. Case in Point? We all saw Stallone's Dredd
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 October, 2010, 07:21:43 PM
Austin Live's Bettie Cross interviews Karl Urban for his new film RED. He talks about getting in shape for the role. 9mins 30sec in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVJBfzlBn4
He comes across as such a level headed, amiable and smart guy. Thanks for the link Crave although I had my hand conceal half of his head for most of the interview just to be sure.
:)
Yeah... I'm still unsure about him as Dredd. He will probably pass as a particular rendition of Dredd, but to me he isn't meaty enough to be a Jock type of Dredd.
Strikes me as its going to be old school 70's Dredd,lean like Dirty Harry rather than the new stuff,love both but im more familar with the old stuff.I can't seee the pads being as big so im prepping my self for the early Ezquerra biker cop look.
Quote from: minus on 07 October, 2010, 10:18:23 PM
Yeah... I'm still unsure about him as Dredd. He will probably pass as a particular rendition of Dredd, but to me he isn't meaty enough to be a Jock type of Dredd.
Possibly early Ian Gibson.
Another Urban/Willis Red video interview. A bit of Dredd (5 minutes in) which seems to confirm the plot of the leaked script for any doubters out there.
It's essentially a day in the life of Dredd as he puts his Rookie through her paces.
http://www.collider.com/2010/10/07/bruce-willis-karl-urban-interview-red-looper-judge-dredd
Quote from: weehawk on 08 October, 2010, 02:09:07 AM
Quote from: minus on 07 October, 2010, 10:18:23 PM
Yeah... I'm still unsure about him as Dredd. He will probably pass as a particular rendition of Dredd, but to me he isn't meaty enough to be a Jock type of Dredd.
Possibly early Ian Gibson.
Or contemporary Karl Urban...
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 07 October, 2010, 08:17:13 PMHe comes across as such a level headed, amiable and smart guy.
With an ego in check. There wouldn't be too many actors willing to don the helmet and NOT take it off for 90 minutes. I guess he sees this film as a potential stepping-stone to bigger Hollywood leads and/or just an opportunity to play a character that he's enjoyed reading for so long. It's all good.
I've just done a bit of a roundup of recent news snippets, and some actual casting news that no-one else picked up on. Oh, and the start date for filiming is November 15th!
Click the banner in my sig. Why you would get your Judge Dredd Movie News from anywhere else is beyond me! ;)
Video of Urban and Willis over at Collider promoting Red,Urban talks Dredd 5 mins in,nowt fresh really.
http://www.collider.com/2010/10/07/bruce-willis-karl-urban-interview-red-looper-judge-dredd/#more-53403
surely the costume,s must be on the peg by now,or is it still to early if you catch my drift :crazy:
Saw this guy on a poster. If he had any kind of acting ability, he would make a pretty good Dredd.
(http://www4.images.coolspotters.com/photos/149864/the-undertaker-profile.png)
Undertaker,he has the grimace.Always thought Sid Vicious had the chin n build when i was a lad to play Dredd.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9090/sidvicious3.jpg
Pricipal photography on Judge Dredd commences on 15 November and will be completed by the end of February 2011. Background plates and second unit footage will be shot in Johannesburg.
Wow, that's how short shooting will take?
I'm surprised this isn't getting released before 2012.
That's pretty standard for any film really - Anyone up for heading South Africa-way with a camera and being a big spy?
Wonder if hes tried the cozzie on yet?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 08 October, 2010, 11:47:54 PM
Pricipal photography on Judge Dredd commences on 15 November and will be completed by the end of February 2011. Background plates and second unit footage will be shot in Johannesburg.
Wow, that's how short shooting will take?
I'm surprised this isn't getting released before 2012.
That's longer than a lot of films. FX will probably take a year.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 08 October, 2010, 08:16:16 PM
Undertaker,he has the grimace.Always thought Sid Vicious had the chin n build when i was a lad to play Dredd.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9090/sidvicious3.jpg
Aww, it's
that Sid Vicious. :( The other lad in the hat could be a good Saint of Killers, if somebody ever gets round to making a Preacher film.
I thought you meant the Sex Pistols front man too. I haven't really watched the world of oiled-up homo-eroticism that is WWF, since I was about 15.
I'm optimistic about Urban, just so long as he doesn't do his Deforest Kelly voice
He was my childhood choice before the Sly film,thankfully i've grown up since then. :-[
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 09 October, 2010, 10:48:09 AM
Wonder if hes tried the cozzie on yet?
yes but what does it look like :( :-\ :D
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Say again - all after nsivbbl....
.....after seeing those meat head wrestlers, I'm now really glad what's-his-name is playing dredd.
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 09 October, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
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:lol: What happend?
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 09 October, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
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Tried to shorten it to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253df6fqntyenim&feature=related
That didn't work
try re-posting just the url - The suspense is killing me
Quote from: Cyclopz on 09 October, 2010, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 09 October, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
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Tried to shorten it to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253df6fqntyenim&feature=related
That didn't work
try re-posting just the url - The suspense is killing me
:o I must know! :o
Yeah me n all,got it in my head that its a vid of Urbans costume test with added lawmaster.
This isn't Dredd related at all, but! I thought I'd show photos of the upcoming
2011 Hasbro MARVEL action figures http://www.toyark.com/news/marvel-toy-news-4/captain-america-2011-comic-series-figures-3362/
What's Amazing is these figures ain't even 4-inches tall, yet they have a ton of detail!
(U.S.Agent & Winter Soldier could easily pass as Dredd characters) :lol:
http://www.toyark.com/news/marvel-toy-news-4/marvel-universe-2011-wave-2-3361/
Now look at those and tell me Hasbro wouldn't do a KILLER job on a series of comic & film inspired Dredd action Figures? :thumbsup:
And yes I know they are prototypes, but lately the latest Marvel releases have been damn near perfect!
I have no qualms with hasbro producing the figures. From the current Star Wars line I am sure they would do a bang up job.
V
Another Urban Red interview. He talks about Dredd for a whie. (3mins 50secs in.) Nothing new.
http://gordonandthewhale.com/fantastic-fest-video-interview-red-actor-karl-urban/#more-88267
What is the goal of this new movie?
To please the few thousand hard core Dredd Heads or to bring in new fans and a new generation to this franchise?
Or can it do both?
Bottom line: to make money.
to make LOADSAMONEY
Well I keep hearing these comparisons to Shaun of the Dead, and District 9. I really enjoyed Shaun.... thought District 9 was a pile of crud though. However, apart from similar budgets, Dredd will have nothing original with a wide appeal like say Shaun did. It pains me to say it, but Dirty Harry in a Batman suit won't make loads of money. It needed Death in it to have some chance of making a dent on the box office. I really would like to think I'll be eating my words in a year or so, but I have a bad feeling about this. The script may have some realism to it.... a day in the life of.... but it is just too bland!
Ducking for cover.... :lol:
Quote from: minus on 11 October, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
It pains me to say it, but Dirty Harry in a Batman suit won't make loads of money. It needed Death in it to have some chance of making a dent on the box office. I really would like to think I'll be eating my words in a year or so, but I have a bad feeling about this. The script may have some realism to it.... a day in the life of.... but it is just too bland!
Ducking for cover.... :lol:
I don't agree that it needed Judge Death to succeed, but From what I've heard the script ain't that great.
yeah, the script is fairly mediocre really... more like an episode from a tv series than an actual movie.
Quote from: minus on 12 October, 2010, 12:18:01 AM
yeah, the script is fairly mediocre really... more like an episode from a tv series than an actual movie.
Plus I don't like the ''realism'' they are aiming for.
I mean there is nothing realistic about Dredd's universe (satirical yes, realistic no)
By making this a predictable realistic universe (Think Nolanverse) you take out a lot of great story material.
How com the Marvel movies can have ''Asgard'' and make it believable, but ''Deadworld'' is too much of a stretch for dredd?
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 12 October, 2010, 12:29:01 AM
How com the Marvel movies can have ''Asgard'' and make it believable, but ''Deadworld'' is too much of a stretch for dredd?
Many believe that the inclusion of Anderson as the rookie is due to the possibility of Death in future films.
Even if this film is 'gritty' and realistic, that does not preclude that. Even in a universe where supernatural things happen, that doesn't mean they happen everywhere all the time. Even, the vast majority of Dredd strips have no supernatural elements although how realistic they are depends on whether one thinks America will develop into totalitarian police-states. I'd say 'doubtful' but not impossible.
As an introduction to Dredd, I think 'a day in the life' isn't a bad idea. There's nothing wrong with a simple story as long as it's exciting, and that's very much due to other elements we haven't seen yet. Mood. Tone. Acting. Etc.
Better to introduce the dark judges in a universe like this rather than something campy. Nolan's Scarecrow was kinda creepy but I can only imagine how he would've turned out had he been introduced in the Batnipples series. Just look at Two-Face as an example.
Quote from: SAJse on 12 October, 2010, 01:05:03 AM
Better to introduce the dark judges in a universe like this rather than something campy. Nolan's Scarecrow was kinda creepy but I can only imagine how he would've turned out had he been introduced in the Batnipples series. Just look at Two-Face as an example.
That's a good point.
It's not that I'm against a more realistic Dredd, (and I definitely don't want the Dreddcodpiece) it's just that I don't see why if you have A realistic world then you can't have any of the more ''out there'' characters or story lines.
I haven't searched for the script but sadly after not being able to escape some stuff, I can't for the life of me see the reason for filming in 3D if it's mostly set [spoiler]in a city-block[/spoiler]!
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 October, 2010, 02:47:08 AM
I haven't searched for the script but sadly after not being able to escape some stuff, I can't for the life of me see the reason for filming in 3D if it's mostly set [spoiler]in a city-block[/spoiler]!
For the Slow-mo scenes? :-\
the Dreddcodpiece! :lol: As to the 3D thing.... it's as if the script has been written around the whole fact it is being filmed in 3D... with that slo mo and all. I'm sure it will look amazing, but it appears the story has been strung around the 3D effect.
I was a victim of the 90's thrill sucker invasion and didn't pick up a prog again until 2002. Dredd had become 'real and gritty'... and not as much fun in my opinion. I mean, I cant see Dredd ever going off planet again to different worlds. That off world jigsaw disease was far more imaginative than anything we have seen this century! In a few years this so called realistic sci-fi will look like boring old crap!
I pray to god that it's not just for the slow-mo!
I found the bullet time amazingly effective in 2D during The Matrix, obviously the surround sound helped.
Quote from: minus on 12 October, 2010, 03:03:23 AM
the Dreddcodpiece! :lol:
Ya, it's the dredd equivalent to the bat-nips. :crazy:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 October, 2010, 03:11:58 AM
I pray to god that it's not just for the slow-mo!
I found the bullet time amazingly effective in 2D during The Matrix, obviously the surround sound helped.
At first I thought the 3-D was going to be for Anderson's ''Major Boobage'' :lol: but then I saw a pic of the actress playing her...then I had to wright that idea out! :o
yeah well, some Anderson nudity would certainly boost ticket sales! Particularly in 3D!!!
Quote from: minus on 12 October, 2010, 03:23:42 AM
yeah well, some Anderson nudity would certainly boost ticket sales! Particularly in 3D!!!
Not by much. It certainly didn't help Piranha 3-D! :lol:
From IMDB
Box Office
Budget:$24,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:$10,106,872 (USA) (22 August 2010) (2470 Screens)
Gross:$24,899,775 (USA) (4 October 2010
:lol:
Quote from: minus on 12 October, 2010, 04:01:50 AM
:lol:
Trust me, if Big TATAS was all it took to make big Box Office then ''SHOWGIRLS'' would have made ''TITANIC'' levels of money! :lol:
Yeah but they didn't have the Dreddcodpiece too!!
Funny to see so many people down on this movie, which has:
- Wagner consulting;
- A lead actor who not only gives a shit but actually gets Dredd;
- A creative team with genuine drive and enthusiasm;
- A young but eager production unit, keen to use Dredd as a springboard (which can only happen if it's good);
- A decent scriptwriter;
- The backing/involvement of Rebellion, who cared enough about the brand/character that they bought it.
Of course, it could suck. The script might be too simple. But remember that Dredd is a huge risk, and what you see on paper often doesn't resemble what you get on screen. Some scripts look great but don't translate; others look pedestrian but suddenly become an exciting spectacle on the big screen.
There are issues, granted, but they're all clearly for obvious reasons. The smallish scale is a common thread, but they only have limited funds. But if this movie is a success, they can expand the scope; also, if it doesn't do that well (i.e. it makes less than double the production budget), it won't be considered a massive failure. A $40m Dredd (or whatever) that takes $50m will be seen as OK. A $200m Dredd that takes $50m will ensure no-one will touch the character again for a generation.
As for Death, he'd be a terrible character for the first movie. Dredd isn't Tales From The Crypt. It's more Robocop meets CSI, set in a satire-drenched future take on modern-day USA. Death might work for a sequel at some point, but dumping people into Dredd's world cold (as most viewers will be) and then dropping Death into the equation might break that suspension of disbelief, or simply have Dredd marked out as an ill-conceived sci-fi/horror flick.
QuoteFunny to see so many people down on this movie
It's the internet, IP- We Know Better.
QuoteAs for Death, he'd be a terrible character for the first movie
Absolutely agree. In fact, Death is not s great character for a movie full-stop.
Who's being down on the movie?
I personally can't wait. The more news that comes out about Dredd, the more excited I get!
I think the only people who are expressing negative views are people who have never read the comic, so haven't a clue about the films' potential or individuals who's only frame of reference is the Stallone movie.
QuoteWho's being down on the movie?
I personally can't wait. The more news that comes out about Dredd, the more excited I get!
Yeah, I'd say that the vast majority of people here are optimistic (to varying degrees) about the new movie (myself included - IP sums up exactly how I feel about it), but this thread has recently become swamped with so much drivel and nonsense posts it can be hard to discern at times. Thank God for the likes of CraveNoir's constant little snippets of juicy new info, which help to keep this thread relevant.
Agreed - I have nothing but high hopes for the film.
We ought to be lucky they're even touching the franchise again.
People are just so negative these days without any sort of evidence to back it up!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 12 October, 2010, 10:44:38 AM
I think the only people who are expressing negative views are people who have never read the comic, so haven't a clue about the films' potential or individuals who's only frame of reference is the Stallone movie.
I've seen more negative comments on this board than anywhere else, frankly. Personally, I think the people involved in the film have got it right: reasonably low budget, but NOT kitchen-sink; enthusiastic production unit wanting to make this a 'launchpad' for them; a decent actor that actually gives a shit but doesn't appear to have an ego the size of a planet (and who dismisses the Stallone flick at every opportunity); consultation from Wagner; etc. Sure, it might suck, or it might be too generic, or it might not have wacky elements (which, to be fair, aren't evident in most Dredds these days anyway—although it's easy enough to add Dredd craziness as background elements rather than as major plot-points), but it's looking good to finally get a version of Dredd on the screen that actually resembles the character we all think rocks.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 12 October, 2010, 11:09:37 AM
I've seen more negative comments on this board than anywhere else, frankly.
That can't be a surprise though as this board surely has the highest proportion of long time Dredd fans than any other board? People with a long term vested interest in the character are going to have stronger opinions. Personally I can't wait.
I agree. I'm so excited I think I'm going to burst. I've even been weighing up the pros and cons of buying a 3D television JUST TO WATCH THE DREDD FILM ON in case they release a fully 3D version on DVD.
I'm desperate to see some more of Jock's production art, or, better yet, some final costume designs.
And as for Urban, the more interviews I read, the more convinced I get that he's the right man for the job. I can't wait.
Quote from: IndigoPrime link=topic=28503
I've seen more negative comments on this board than anywhere else, frankly.
Really?
Well, they clearly don't know what they're talking about either!
:lol:
What's most heartening is that in all the interviews I've read and watched of Karl Urban he clearly seems as excited about making Dredd as I am about watching it.
:thumbsup:
I'll buy the eventual Blu-ray even though I don't have a player yet! :D
QuoteAs for Death, he'd be a terrible character for the first movie
QuoteAbsolutely agree. In fact, Death is not s great character for a movie full-stop.
IMO You're wrong about that. I was just looking through Judge Death & Judge Death Lives the other day and I thought the story and Bollands artwork were very cinematic. If this first Movie is a success and establishes the world correctly I think the Dark Judges would be perfect for a sequel.
I think the trick would be how to fit it in. They could take a leaf out of the Star Wars book where they establish characters in one movie and continue that storyline in another. Death doesn't have to be the main villain in a sequel but could just be established as a threat at first ala Boba Fett or Jabba. At he end of Judge Death there's even a similar cliff hanger to Empire Strikes Back where Anderson is encased in Boing - Like Han in Carbonite.
That example may be too similar, but the point is because Dredds world is so vast it leaves room to establish elements in one film to be carried on into another (Assuming there are sequels). The same sort of thing could be done with Block Mania in one film and then the Apocalypse war in another. 'But Sovs wont make sense in a film set in the future' - Then call them Volgs!
There are tons of things that can be taken from the comics Just spread the plot points out a bit more than they did in the Stallone film where it all became a 1-1/2 hour cluster f@*k.
QuoteIt pains me to say it, but Dirty Harry in a Batman suit won't make loads of money. It needed Death in it to have some chance of making a dent on the box office.
I agree with that slightly - not specifically about Death but not going for complete realism. At the end of the day Judge Dredd is Sci-Fi, and it is possible to make gritty and realistic Sci-Fi, we've all seen Alien Blade Runner and District 9.
If by 'gritty and realistic' the film makers mean that they're gonna throw out most of the Sci-Fi element, the one thing that distinguishes the Judge Dredd comic from most of the other crap that's out there, then they'd be missing a trick.
One 'out there' Dredd badguy i want to see in part 2 is Fink Angel,that story would work well i think with a Super Surf 7 sub plot or at least a Chopper cameo.Never gonna happen though :(
A Chopper story could really work in a sequel. The tension between Dredd's steely devotion to upholding the law versus Chopper's desire to be free of the confines of life in the Big Meg. It could be epic. Judge Death on the other hand : stupid. I hope he's left out of any films that may come in the future.
Quite surprised that the occasional comment about Urban's physicality are popping up every couple of pages on this thread, because he doesn't look the way Dredd does at the moment. It really wouldn't make sense for him to, because they're not starting his introductory movie with him as a 50-odd year old Apocalypse War survivor, remember Dredd didn't start out haggard and toweringly beast-like, so if the movie is starting things relatively early in his career I reckon Urban is spot on.
And I personally could not be more pumped for this movie, its genuinely paining me that I need to wait so long. Ouch!
What I'd love to see them do is something along the lines of webisodes that have been done for TV series.
Maybe even using them as a sounding board for future ideas, see what's popular...
Quote from: dweezil2 on 12 October, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
What's most heartening is that in all the interviews I've read and watched of Karl Urban he clearly seems as excited about making Dredd as I am about watching it.
:thumbsup:
I'll buy the eventual Blu-ray even though I don't have a player yet! :D
Same here.
At first I was a tad hesitant, but his recent interviews have won me over.
I think a lot of people (myself included) forget that Dredd didn't have the ''monster chin'' in the beginning.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 12 October, 2010, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 12 October, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
What's most heartening is that in all the interviews I've read and watched of Karl Urban he clearly seems as excited about making Dredd as I am about watching it.
:thumbsup:
I'll buy the eventual Blu-ray even though I don't have a player yet! :D
Same here.
At first I was a tad hesitant, but his recent interviews have won me over.
I think a lot of people (myself included) forget that Dredd didn't have the ''monster chin'' in the beginning.
I should have said
Dredd didn't have the ''Chin of Justice'' in the beginning :lol:
Interview with Urban on UGO, covering RED, Priest, Dredd etc. Full interview here: http://www.ugo.com/movies/karl-urban-interview This is the juicy bit:
Jordan Hoffman: So you're about to take off for shooting Dredd. You're going to South Africa to shoot, have you been there before?
Karl Urban: No I haven't. I'm looking forward to going there.
Jordan Hoffman: Is there a lot of location shooting or a lot of sets? I imagine because it's in the future it's a lot of sets.
Karl Urban: Yeah but we're using the crew from District 9, and I think that, as much as possible, it will be set in a real world. It's not going to feel like a Hollywood studio back lot. We're going to be using real locations.
Jordan Hoffman: What have you been doing to prepare? Have you been doing physical training or have you been reading up on the character or have you just been doing your own thing?
Karl Urban: I'm in a state of daily physical training for the character at the moment. I've invested a lot of time in reading up on the character.
Jordan Hoffman: Have you seen designs, have you seen the helmet yet?
Karl Urban: Yeah I've had the costume on. We did a laser skin [scan?] and yeah I'm very happy about the look of it. I have to say: no gold cod pieces.
Jordan Hoffman: Was there a moment when you got the costume on when you just wanted to shove everybody out of the room so you could be alone with it and run around?
Karl Urban: [laughs] Yeah, well. . .it takes time to get used to any costume you're wearing. You have to figure out how to move in it.
Cheers CN
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 October, 2010, 07:43:56 AM
Jordan Hoffman: Have you seen designs, have you seen the helmet yet?
Karl Urban: Yeah I've had the costume on. We did a laser skin [scan?] and yeah I'm very happy about the look of it. I have to say: no gold cod pieces.
I'm so excited now. Going on other comic book adaptations, it's possible we might get a promo shot soon then
SHOW US THE COSTUME DAMMIT!!!
QuoteIMO You're wrong about that. I was just looking through Judge Death & Judge Death Lives the other day and I thought the story and Bollands artwork were very cinematic. If this first Movie is a success and establishes the world correctly I think the Dark Judges would be perfect for a sequel.
Indeed, Bolland's work is superb, but even if you put Judge Death and Judge Death lives together, I doubt there's be enough plot to fill an hour, let alone an entire movie.
The big problem is Death himself- he was good in his time, but if he was on screen now, he would come across as yet another serial killer offing people in ironic ways- like the fella from Saw.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 October, 2010, 09:49:44 AM
Indeed, Bolland's work is superb, but even if you put Judge Death and Judge Death lives together, I doubt there's be enough plot to fill an hour, let alone an entire movie.
Naah, I reckon it'd be enough... expand the scene in the nightclub at the beginning, bung in a scene with Death chasing Anderson around in her own head, hint at her turning the tables too perhaps, expand Deathworld to include a flashback to
some of the origins, Anderson could surely pick up some of that by reading the minds of the dead.
QuoteThe big problem is Death himself- he was good in his time, but if he was on screen now, he would come across as yet another serial killer offing people in ironic ways- like the fella from Saw.
I'd never consider Death as a serial killer either - I reckon it's your perception of him framed by a succession of semi-comedic outings, Death is a great villain, you just need to recall your younger self reading those first two stories... He is bringing his religion to a new world... invading with a hideous ethos... I think there's definite merit in exploring that concept.
Haven't read the DJ special yet, but if reports of it are correct, I'm sure the whole Dark Judges thing has legs enough for a sequel to Dredd, should it warrant a sequel.
The problem I have is that Dredd doesn't really need a big arch enemy in the way that US superheroes do. He's an enforcer of the law so his 'enemy' is lawlessness. In fact, in a lot of Dredd stories, his enemy is stupidity.
The citizens of Mega City 1 are often used to satirize the most moronic traits and behaviour of modern society while Dredd waits for it all to go wrong so he can crack some heads and say "I told you so."
Judge Death, whilst being an iconic character, is also a bit one note. I suppose he could be made to work in a film but the idea doesn't interest me very much.
The design of the costume has been sourced from the this animal apparently.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvYdaNoRyBwXlRBua6F1MS7y6ivbmbyZA9EW9JINVPLBm5iFA&t=1&usg=__DrpTuUm_aFtwJADj8WrvqkdAFMY=)
Quite frankly as a long time reader of 2000ad and Judge Dredd, Dirty Harry running around in a Blue tit man costume, doesn't cut the mustard. And I can quote Star Wars.(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvYdaNoRyBwXlRBua6F1MS7y6ivbmbyZA9EW9JINVPLBm5iFA&t=1&usg=__DrpTuUm_aFtwJADj8WrvqkdAFMY=)+(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQomXfuc-mDyOmbia4LNTBkniZdAH2ktWcX5s0R4qL_vmskF94&t=1&usg=__D8LaarTX_fvMkI2B89MKDRPyok8=)
Quoteexpand the scene in the nightclub at the beginning, bung in a scene with Death chasing Anderson around in her own head, hint at her turning the tables too perhaps, expand Deathworld to include a flashback to some of the origins, Anderson could surely pick up some of that by reading the minds of the dead.
Yeah but none of that is plot- it's just padding!
QuoteI reckon it's your perception of him framed by a succession of semi-comedic outings
I think you're probably right.
But, I think Lee says it best with:
QuoteDredd doesn't really need a big arch enemy in the way that US superheroes do. He's an enforcer of the law so his 'enemy' is lawlessness.
I know , i am up to mplay one of the judges and am at the recall stage . life long fan and collector for 30 years , missed out on last dredd film as jobs clashed ...need all support i can get on this one . as yet , no home grown talent is on board the film . surely they could use someone like me ?? previous credits include "star wars ", "robin hood " Currently looking for judge costume and accessories for filming for recall . anyone help out there ?? :)
my agents address is morrisagent@yahoo.co.uk
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 October, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
But, I think Lee says it best with:
QuoteDredd doesn't really need a big arch enemy in the way that US superheroes do. He's an enforcer of the law so his 'enemy' is lawlessness.
True for the comic and maybe for a TV show, but that dynamic doesn't work for a single 90-minute movie.
While Judge Death wouldn't be my choice for a villain, [spoiler]it looks almost certain that that is what Garland intends to do if there is a sequel, and frankly, I'd be very interested to see his take on the character.[/spoiler]
Another note on Urbans physicality, I noticed that in this interview and others
http://gordonandthewhale.com/fantastic-fest-video-interview-red-actor-karl-urban/#more-88267 (http://gordonandthewhale.com/fantastic-fest-video-interview-red-actor-karl-urban/#more-88267)
he is looking trimmer than he has in the past. I'm imagining he'll look Clint Eastwood-esque in the suit like the McMahon Bolland version of Dredd.
Quote from: KevLev on 13 October, 2010, 10:09:13 AMHaven't read the DJ special yet,...
What is this "DJ special" of which you speak? Am I missing something?
Dark Judges. A special edition of Zarjaz, fashioned by two awesome regulars* of this forum and printed by the illustrious and bejewelled publishing house that is FutureQuake Press.
Quick, go put in your order with Bolt-01!
*Bluemeanie and Fester
Quote from: KevLev on 13 October, 2010, 10:09:13 AMI'd never consider Death as a serial killer either - I reckon it's your perception of him framed by a succession of semi-comedic outings, Death is a great villain, you just need to recall your younger self reading those first two stories... He is bringing his religion to a new world... invading with a hideous ethos... I think there's definite merit in exploring that concept.
Haven't read the DJ special yet, but if reports of it are correct, I'm sure the whole Dark Judges thing has legs enough for a sequel to Dredd, should it warrant a sequel.
:thumbsup:
I didn't realise : thumbsup : was a smily.
Just packing some back issues away and I just happened to start reading them again as you do , when I came across Prog 938/939's Dredd - Escape From Kurt Russell.
With the exception of an absent Anderson does it remind you of anything?
I haven't read the movie script but little snippets hither and thither sure sound familiar....
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 October, 2010, 07:43:56 AM
Jordan Hoffman: Have you seen designs, have you seen the helmet yet?
We did a laser skin [/b][scan?] and yeah I'm very happy about the look of it. I have to say: no gold cod pieces.
Jordan Hoffman: Was there a moment when you got the costume on when you just wanted to shove everybody out of the room so you could be alone with it and run around?
Karl Urban: [laughs] Yeah, well. . .it takes time to get used to any costume you're wearing. You have to figure out how to move in it.
Laser skin scan? :cool: so are we to assume the ''uniform'' will be skin tight light in the comic?
Heh, I guess they're doing something like a cyberscan, then they can prototype the helmet in CG over the top, before committing to a physical piece.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 13 October, 2010, 06:11:43 PM
Laser skin scan? :cool: so are we to assume the ''uniform'' will be skin tight light in the comic?
Yeah. Apparently they're actually filming him and the other judges in the noddy. They're adding in the suit later with CGI.
So if Anderson looks a bit bouncier than she should... well. Now you'll know why.
I might possibly be joking..
I did wonder at the laser skin scan. It does suggest there maybe some added CGI (I.e. they scan his form to put in elsewhere) but I think that was expected anyway.
Quote from: Krombasher on 13 October, 2010, 10:20:28 AM
The design of the costume has been sourced from the this animal apparently.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvYdaNoRyBwXlRBua6F1MS7y6ivbmbyZA9EW9JINVPLBm5iFA&t=1&usg=__DrpTuUm_aFtwJADj8WrvqkdAFMY=)
For some reason those Blue ridged wings remind me of those Reman Soldiers (those Vampire looking guys)from STAR TREK:NEMESIS.
I thought "laser skin" was a typo, and that it was intended to be "laser scan".
There are any number of reasons to do a full body scan of an actor, replicating them within a computer. In fact I believe the 1995 film had the first digital stunt double in a feature film, and it was definately one of the very first to use previz.
Oh, and if the cod-pieces aren't gold, what colour are they?? ;)
The scan is probably for toys/collectables too,did the same thing with star wars.
I'd assume the scan is for all of the above. But I think that Karl Urban was alluding to them scanning his body for an extra form fitting uniform, I'd suppose they do that a lot in these kinds of movies nowadays - especially comic book movies.
Dredd's too stylish to buy off the rack.
Emphatically Yess. His seem to fit OK.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 October, 2010, 07:29:36 PM
Oh, and if the cod-pieces aren't gold, what colour are they?? ;)
Dredd's so tough the bullets bounce of his crouch! :lol: He doesn't need no ''pedazzled'' cod-pieces!
http://www.newsarama.com/film/karl-urban-RED-Dredd-Priest-Bones-101013.html
In the meantime, Urban says "All my focus and energy is on "Dredd" and I'm really looking forward to doing that."
A complete reboot of the franchise for film, Urban explains, "the Dredd story we are going to tell is really a day in the life of Dredd as he puts his rookie through her paces to determine whether she's going to make it as a judge. It's certainly going to be a high-octane, action-fueled kind of a film. I feel very confident that this is going to be the 'Judge Dredd' movie that audiences have been waiting for since 1977. I say that because we've got (Judge Dredd co-creator) John Wagner on board and he's 100 percent behind what we are doing. I think we're just going to be a lot closer to the source material than any other version that's been made."
While many fans lamented the corny nature of Sly Stallone's 1995 turn as the character, Urban says that tone is key in this new outing. He confirms there is comedy in the writing, but he trusts director Pete Travis' sense of balance.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 13 October, 2010, 10:07:34 PM
While many fans lamented the corny nature of Sly Stallone's 1995 turn as the character, Urban says that tone is key in this new outing. He confirms there is comedy in the writing, but he trusts director Pete Travis' sense of balance.[/i]
I do so hope that the "comedy" is in keeping with character, that is to say black in nature and not a lot of it.
We need to see gritty, punchy, dark and kickass cool. Mr Travis I emplore you to read a few graphic novels before you add humour.
Arghh,want some more offical titbits,concept art or a few criptic prop/set photos at least,need to see that they are going in the right design direction.
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 13 October, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
I do so hope that the "comedy" is in keeping with character, that is to say black in nature and not a lot of it.
We need to see gritty, punchy, dark and kickass cool. Mr Travis I emplore you to read a few graphic novels before you add humour.
The example of a bit of script earlier worked well in tone as far as humour is concerned.
[spoiler]It was a few posts back but it was a conversation between Dredd and Anderson. This is purely from memory as I can't be bothered going through all the posts, and I don't want to read the script, so the wording is probably wrong.
Dredd: "I noticed you're not wearing your helmet."
Anderson: "It blocks my telepathic ability."
Dredd: "So would a bullet."[/spoiler]
It's very Dredd, dry dark humour, but it's also funny.
Personally I want to see Dredd leap his lawmaster through the shattering remains of a gigantic plate glass window after just having shot through the glass with his bike cannon in mid air a split second earlier. I suspect it's not in the script, though. It should be. If not it should be in the next one, dammit!
It just should!!
QuoteI do so hope that the "comedy" is in keeping with character, that is to say black in nature and not a lot of it.
From the little bit of the script I've read, [spoiler]I would say there is definitely humour in there, and indeed it's very black humour - there doesn't appear to be much trademark Mega City wackiness or eccentricity from the comics, but then it's arguable whether that would translate to film anyway.[/spoiler]
I'm thinking in particular of a bit very early on where [spoiler]Dredd has just chased down a speeding car on his bike - there's a couple of bits in that scene that should get big laughs in the cinema.[/spoiler]
Urban on G4's Attack of the Show, talking Dredd (4mins 40secs in).
http://g4tv.com/videos/49228/Interview-with-Reds-Karl-Urban-/ (http://g4tv.com/videos/49228/Interview-with-Reds-Karl-Urban-/)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 14 October, 2010, 12:49:11 AM
Urban on G4's Attack of the Show, talking Dredd (4mins 40secs in).
http://g4tv.com/videos/49228/Interview-with-Reds-Karl-Urban-/ (http://g4tv.com/videos/49228/Interview-with-Reds-Karl-Urban-/)
That link opened a blank page and something started downloading to my PC! When I cancelled the download, the page then loaded! Wrapping the link in URL tags seems to sort that out(I've just done it in the quote above).
Quote from: Mardroid on 13 October, 2010, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 13 October, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
I do so hope that the "comedy" is in keeping with character, that is to say black in nature and not a lot of it.
We need to see gritty, punchy, dark and kickass cool. Mr Travis I emplore you to read a few graphic novels before you add humour.
The example of a bit of script earlier worked well in tone as far as humour is concerned.
[spoiler]It was a few posts back but it was a conversation between Dredd and Anderson. This is purely from memory as I can't be bothered going through all the posts, and I don't want to read the script, so the wording is probably wrong.
Dredd: "I noticed you're not wearing your helmet."
Anderson: "It blocks my telepathic ability."
Dredd: "So would a bullet."[/spoiler]
It's very Dredd, dry dark humour, but it's also funny.
:thumbsup:
Not sure I'd categorise that as Dredd humour but it works.
Karl Urban Interview cinemablend with Katey Rich.
Dredd talk is 7mins 40secs in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSLfgFwi5QQ
He talks about fan concerns, the enigma of Dredd's appearance, and the usual spiel about the production. You'll need to turn the volume up!
@SAJse: Thats more in tone with Dredd thanks for that.
@Crave: I dont know where you find these but thank you for the constant updates it is appreciated.
Attack of the Show Interview.
Talks Dredd at 04:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratZRSj15w4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratZRSj15w4&feature=related)
Well, after watching the Attack of the Show Interview, I've changed my tune about Urban. :lol: Just looking at that fight scene with Willis has me thinking he could actually make a great Dredd! :-[ Perhaps with a modest budget, the movie may turn out better than a full on Hollywood job in a funny sort of way. I guess they HAVE TO make it work! The fact anyone is giving Dredd another go after the last disappointment suggests they are serious about getting it right. And Urban certainly appears to want it to be done properly.
watched the fight scene with willis.when karl said old man he sounded like dredd :thumbsup:
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 15 October, 2010, 06:47:52 PM
watched the fight scene with willis.when karl said old man he sounded like dredd :thumbsup:
...and he was doing the grimace :)
he,s the man ::)
Not just a man,he is the LAWWWW.
Sry,had Anthrax on this arvo
This week's prog (1707) suggests a release for end of 2011, early 2012. Elsewhere I've heard first quarter of 2012.
Wow after watching that Attack of the Show interview I ammmm EXCITED!! :D
Any other block busters up for release at that time? What competition will DREDD have?
Yay! It's Judge Dredd.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/urbanred.jpg?t=1287235839)
(Sorry, drac, don't know what else in the cinema at that time)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 16 October, 2010, 09:31:10 AM
This week's prog (1707) suggests a release for end of 2011, early 2012. Elsewhere I've heard first quarter of 2012.
That matches up, generally "first quarter" 2012 would start about September (I think?) 2010. Release schedules work in mysterious ways.
yep! he's been method attacking the grimace for sure! and it's subconsciously popped into his role in Red :P
Somebody get the photoshop on that pic and pop a helmet on him.
I was looking through IMDB's 2012 list only the other day. It'll be a massive year for geek film if even a quarter of them actually get made:
Batman 3, Iron Man 3, Kick-Ass 2, Ghost Rider 2, World War Z, Deadpool, Sin City 2, Nick Fury, Doctor Strange, Bad Boys 3, Indiana Jones 5, Dune, Yellow Submarine, Men in Black 3, The Dark Tower, The Bourne Legacy, 24, I Robot 2, Untitled Alien Prequel #2, Gears of War, Clash of the Titans 2, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Hobbit 1, Halo, Monsters Inc 2, Kung Fu Hustle 2, Doc Savage, Madagascar 3, Who Framed Roger Rabbit 2, Silver Surfer, Get Smart 2, Highlander, GI Joe 2, Iron Fist, Flash Gordon, Soylent Green, The Jetsons, Naked Gun, Slap Shot, [REC] Apocalypse, Hack/Slash, Judge Ice (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1737587/plotsummary), and many more.
My eye was caught by 2012's "When the Wind Blows", not a remake of Raymond Brigg's touching story of how not to survive a nuclear war, but... A group of kids who are genetically engineered to fly are on the run from part-human, part-wolf predators called Erasers....Which may be the blueprint for the greatest film ever made. Or quite the opposite of that.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 October, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
Somebody get the photoshop on that pic and pop a helmet on him.
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4757/39jskarlurban3.jpg)
magic :o
Thanks CN for the in-depth insight into up and coming films Dredd will be pitted up against. Thats a fair bit of competition! Hope our film doesn't get lost in the mix. If they stick to the roots and essence of what Dredd is about it should stand out from the crowd.
:o http://www.imdb.com/news/ni4958709/
If ''DREDD'' doesn't make this much in it's first day of release then I will have lost all hope in my fellow Americans. :(
How much extra does a ticket for a 3-D flick cost anyway?
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 16 October, 2010, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 October, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
Somebody get the photoshop on that pic and pop a helmet on him.
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4757/39jskarlurban3.jpg)
I'm liking it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Lol,looks like hes got wind...other than that cool :)
Remember, that's a sort of worm's-eye view of him; his chin seems a bit bigger than I think it actually is. Still and all, he'll do fine.
Must admit all fears i had that he was miscast have gone,can't wait for it now.
I think he's going to be great as Dredd - and is certainly saying all the right things...
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 12 October, 2010, 08:34:52 PM
Quite surprised that the occasional comment about Urban's physicality are popping up every couple of pages on this thread, because he doesn't look the way Dredd does at the moment. It really wouldn't make sense for him to, because they're not starting his introductory movie with him as a 50-odd year old Apocalypse War survivor, remember Dredd didn't start out haggard and toweringly beast-like, so if the movie is starting things relatively early in his career I reckon Urban is spot on.
And I personally could not be more pumped for this movie, its genuinely paining me that I need to wait so long. Ouch!
Let's talk about the chin issue. Dredd always had a strong jawline but, as the years have gone by, he has often looked like a clone of Jimmy Hill, never mind Judge Fargo!
In a film where Dredd never removes his helmet, a prominent jaw is an advantage for him, providing a contrast to other helmet-wearing judges sharing a screen with him. Urban has a reasonable jaw but it's not a particularly outstanding one.
Any thoughts on this?
Dredd's chin was never very prominent in the early stories, his big lips were his most recognisable feature. If you compare pictures of Urban with the very early McMahon Dredds, the resemblance is striking. And seeing as how the new film is set fairly early in Dredd's career, I think it's a good likeness.
I'm guessing that the whole chin thing was an easy way for artists to identify Dredd.
As the regular police disappeared and the judges replaced them in the early stories, maybe it was decided that they needed a visual shorthand for Dredd when the badge wasn't shown.
Looking at the development, I'm also guessing the Bolland grimace was also a factor in emphasising the chin...
Always took it for a scowl or a grimace rather than a huge chin.
I do think Urban's chin is a tad small and I have to admit it's hard to picture him in a judge's uniform - but I think he'll come through; he's certainly got the relevant scowls and sneers. If he can keep it up for the whole film I'm not too worried.
Better a decent actor who loves the source material than just choosing someone because their chin's big.
And yeah, Dredd didn't always have a huge chin. Carl Urban's jaw is more wide than long but i think it'll be fine.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 October, 2010, 05:47:43 PM
I do think Urban's chin is a tad small and I have to admit it's hard to picture him in a judge's uniform - but I think he'll come through; he's certainly got the relevant scowls and sneers. If he can keep it up for the whole film I'm not too worried.
Better a decent actor who loves the source material than just choosing someone because their chin's big.
And yeah, Dredd didn't always have a huge chin. Carl Urban's jaw is more wide than long but i think it'll be fine.
Yeah , it seems as though he subconsciously does a Dredd sneer anyway when he's pissed off and in character - and Dredds petty much pissed off all the time anyway so his chin doesn't bother me too much. I kind of imagine he'll look similar to the Fabry Bisley Dredd on that Megazine cover.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4739/judgedredd04.jpg)
If what I hear is about right Judge Dredd in this movie would be around 35 years old.
With that in mind I think it works for Karl Urbans portrayal of Dredd.
For a later Dredd who says to say he hasnt had his jawbone strengthened in some way ?
I think there was a post a few weeks back about Dredds many injuries, could it not be a factor ?
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 17 October, 2010, 09:13:14 PM
For a later Dredd who says to say he hasnt had his jawbone strengthened in some way ?
I think there was a post a few weeks back about Dredds many injuries, could it not be a factor ?
Nah. Origins shows Fargo had the jaw too. The Fargo clan all remarked on it as well as including (granted mutated) versions themselves. That being said the kiddie version of Rico and Joe had quite small chins but they weren't fully grown yet. (Ironically the foetal version in the tanks had the lantern jaws. Heh.)
Besides, I think they've got the technology in fixing up a person's jaw to make it look how it was.
In short, I think from an in-world point of view he has always looked the same,despite how various artists draw him, apart from the usual ageing. As an adult, people's jaws don't grow. (His nose could have though, but we don't see much of that.)
I'm not saying that to shoot down Urban's role though. We can say that his physical appearance fits the depiction of an artist when he was that age, but I don't think an in-world explanation holds up, if that makes sense.
QuoteJordan Hoffman: So you're about to take off for shooting Dredd. You're going to South Africa to shoot, have you been there before?
Karl Urban: No I haven't. I'm looking forward to going there.
Jordan Hoffman: Is there a lot of location shooting or a lot of sets? I imagine because it's in the future it's a lot of sets.
Karl Urban: Yeah but we're using the crew from District 9, and I think that, as much as possible, it will be set in a real world. It's not going to feel like a Hollywood studio back lot. We're going to be using real locations.
Jordan Hoffman: What have you been doing to prepare? Have you been doing physical training or have you been reading up on the character or have you just been doing your own thing?
Karl Urban: I'm in a state of daily physical training for the character at the moment. I've invested a lot of time in reading up on the character.
Jordan Hoffman: Have you seen designs, have you seen the helmet yet?
Karl Urban: Yeah I've had the costume on. We did a laser skin and yeah I'm very happy about the look of it. I have to say: no gold cod pieces.
Jordan Hoffman: Was there a moment when you got the costume on when you just wanted to shove everybody out of the room so you could be alone with it and run around?
Karl Urban: [laughs] Yeah, well. . .it takes time to get used to any costume you're wearing. You have to figure out how to move in it.
From http://www.ugo.com/movies/hell-be-the-judge-of-that (http://www.ugo.com/movies/hell-be-the-judge-of-that)
They start filming in about three weeks and i bet a few full size Lawmasters are sat in a garage in Joburg...
Still can't believe this movie is happening! :D
I know,never thought i would see another after the last one.Roll on the spy pics
I still think that filming this film in 3D is a pointless waste of time and money as its nothing more than a gimmick rather like surround sound.
I see enough 3D in real life so i dont need it when i go the cinema.
I think the wee debate about Dredd's chin is interesting. At what point in Dredd's development did his big chin become part of the mythos? There's probably a thread in that.
I think I know what Hollywood is doing with 3D. The majority of people aren't going to buy a 3D telly. I heard that if the 3DTV is smaller than 60", ye don't get the much of the effect. So the only place you can get the 3D experience is in the Cinema. In a age when films can be reproduced on DVD for next to nothing (and this has been a boon to pirates, so it has, ARRRR), Hollywood's just trying to get bums back in seats at the cinema.
Quote from: pops1983 on 21 October, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
I think the wee debate about Dredd's chin is interesting. At what point in Dredd's development did his big chin become part of the mythos? There's probably a thread in that.
I think I know what Hollywood is doing with 3D. The majority of people aren't going to buy a 3D telly. I heard that if the 3DTV is smaller than 60", ye don't get the much of the effect. So the only place you can get the 3D experience is in the Cinema. In a age when films can be reproduced on DVD for next to nothing (and this has been a boon to pirates, so it has, ARRRR), Hollywood's just trying to get bums back in seats at the cinema.
I suppose if it helps sell the film then i dont mind that much and thats being objective about it but personally i couldnt care less about 3D as conventional 2D is good enough plus i associate 3D with big budget films and going by the setting of the film i dont see how 3D is really appropriate other than its the latest thing.
I dont normally bother watching films at cinemas any more so i miss out on it anyway as i dont have a 60" tv.I will make an exception and see this film at the cinema when its out.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 October, 2010, 12:00:22 AM
I know,never thought i would see another after the last one.Roll on the spy pics
To what end?
Getting depressed for no reason at all?
Such pictures are low resolution, feature the cast out of character, and are by default neither properly lit nor colour timed - meaning that regardless of how good the final movie might look in the end, such pictures will make the movie look like it's going to be crap. If such pics leak prior to the official, properly lit photos which actually represent what the movie will look like are out, the online movie community will judge the movie down the drain based on nothing but the unrepresentative leaked pics.
Case in point, Jason Momoa looks pretty damn good as the new Conan. He'll own the role in a way Schwarzenegger never could, as Arnold was even more miscast as Conan than Stallone ever was as Dredd. Sadly, many have already determined that Momoa has no business being Conan, since he was judged by spy shots where he was smiling and relaxing off camera. Also, the sets and everything look as if they were made for a cheap TV production in those pics, while the finished pictures make it clear that the movie will look stunning. That doesn't helo mind you, as those pics spread like wildfire, and generated nothing but negative hype and a persistent beleif that the movie will look like an episode of Xena, when nothing could be further from the truth.
I'd rather wait for the official pictures of Judge Dredd.
Fingers crossed no spy pics get out.
For me half the enjoyment for films comes from looking forward to them,all the rumour and dodgy spy pics are part of that,love it.The only thing i stay away from is heavy plot spoilers,half the stuff you find out is written on the poster/dvd case anyway.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 October, 2010, 10:09:24 AM
For me half the enjoyment for films comes from looking forward to them,all the rumour and dodgy spy pics are part of that,love it.The only thing i stay away from is heavy plot spoilers,half the stuff you find out is written on the poster/dvd case anyway.
I agree, I do like the odd snippet, the odd peak to come out here and there as it makes the wait less painful.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 13 October, 2010, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 13 October, 2010, 10:20:28 AM
The design of the costume has been sourced from the this animal apparently.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvYdaNoRyBwXlRBua6F1MS7y6ivbmbyZA9EW9JINVPLBm5iFA&t=1&usg=__DrpTuUm_aFtwJADj8WrvqkdAFMY=)
For some reason those Blue ridged wings remind me of those Reman Soldiers (those Vampire looking guys)from STAR TREK:NEMESIS.
See what I mean?
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss44/miraclemanfan/timthumb.png)
I keep forgetting most of the guys (& gals) here are on the other side of the planet. :-[
Which side of the planet are you on Mr 9.8?
The outside?
Just trawling Facebook and ended up on the Altered States page,saw this snippet about the costume...quote..
So far we've done a weapon and a fairly important part of the costume, but the bulk of the costume was done in London, we reckon it still needs work. The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience, but still keep things within the familiar Dredd universe. As far as everyone's concerned, the Stallone one never happened. Again, I'd love to share stuff, but I'd be strung up by the squishy bits if I did..
Sorry if its already been posted.Toned down but familiar? needs work? i guessing lots of black,boots,gloves etc.Hope its not XMEN all over again.
The 'Updated' and 'broader audience' bits about the costume concern me! :( This is leveled out by, 'most of it was done in London' (suggesting good brit' artistic input) :)
Still keeping things familiar I read as keeping the elbow and knee pads
Just hope we don't get Judge Generic Riot-cop
Quotei guessing lots of black,boots,gloves etc.Hope its not XMEN all over again.
You mean getting rid of bright, primary coloured costumes in favour of something more realistic?
If they'd have kept the X Men costumes anywhere near the comic versions, the movie would have been laughed out of the cinema, plain and simple. You might be able to get away with it these days, now that superhero movies have much greater mainstream appeal, but back then? No chance.
As for Dredd's, updating it is fair enough - the uniform has barely changed in the last 30 years, so I'm all for seeing something more contemporary..... especially if Jock has had a hand in it...
I just hope they don't stray too far from the comic version and run the risk of being upstaged by the one assembled by the Minty filmmakers - which, while not perfect, is a damn good stab at making the uniform look credible on screen.
I'm wondering if the eagle shoulder pad is the thing they'll change, or even get rid of... and the gloves and pads I'm thinking will be black. He might be keeping the helmet on, but I'd be interested to see what changes they'd make there.
Just ONE small photo of the uniform!!! Is that too much to ask for? It would put us all out of our misery... except of course those out there who just don't want to know until they're eating their popcorn and the lights are dimmed... and have their 3D glasses on!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 22 October, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
Quotei guessing lots of black,boots,gloves etc.Hope its not XMEN all over again.
You mean getting rid of bright, primary coloured costumes in favour of something more realistic?
No.I mean changing things to suit people who have never given the source material the time of day before.Subdubed colours would work better.Marvel as opposed to 20th Century Fox don't seem to suffer from staying faitfull to the comic but i do realize most of the money made comes from Joe Public so things have to be made accessible but i still want recognisable :)
Is Mr.Wagner sworn to a code of silence on the emerging film developments (any snippets revealed on his facebook blogs)?
QuoteI mean changing things to suit people who have never given the source material the time of day before.
2000AD sells, what? 30,000 copies a week (at a guess)?
Last year 173.9m cinema tickets were sold in the UK.
Now, which group do you think film makers should be targeting?
Did you read my above post?
''but i do realize most of the money made comes from Joe Public so things have to be made accessible''
I can't really put myself in the place of someone who doesn't know the source material, but isn't there the danger that if you boil the uniform down to the lowest common denominator, it just becomes so generic it is just a contemporary riot cop outfit, with a judge helmet?
I think we'll end up with something not a million miles from the Judge Hunters from the '95 movie, but with a relatively faithful helmet.
When's all said and done, the Dark Knight Batman still has the ears and cape, and the general public accept that, I'm just hoping they don't throw so much away that the design becomes too bland.
I still follow the same credo i always have done: if you have something that works brilliantly in one medium, but to make it work in another medium you have to change significant bits beyond recognition to attract a 'wider audience' who may not come at all, then just stop. Do something else instead. Did they 'tone down' superman's costume when chris reeve put it on? Spidey's? Iron Man's? No, they didn't.
To be honest, the uniform doesn't bother me so much in this case, and i'll reserve judgement til i see it, but second guessing 'what the general audience will accept' is horrible, and never ends well. As long as the character and the setting is the same as the comic, there is no reason to think 'the general audience' wont go for it. Remember, it's an audience who've not been exposed to Dredd, not an audience who have said 'i dont like this, he's got green gloves'.
SBT
Or it could go the other way like the Green Goblin? still don't know what they were thinking.Subdued and practical i can go with,anything more and you are into loosing the identity.SmallBlueThing said it better than me.
Hearing the X-Men costumes mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up similar, but obviously with something in the way of the pads/eagle type thing. It would be a good look, would be fairly believable and would lend itself well to the fascist elements of the Judges (all that creaking leather).
"The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience"
Gosh !!
As if anyone is not going to see the film because they dont like the look of the uniform.
Ridiculous and if they dont know the source material then what the hell does it matter ?
This is beyond any small changes for practical reasons but what is and isnt acceptable to a broader audience ?
I dont like the sound of it at all and it sounds like the worst kind of pandering to the dribbling Joe Public but unfortunately thats reality.
And like any good ConDem back bencher I give Mr. Wolf a resounding here! here! to that.
Quote from: minus on 22 October, 2010, 05:24:08 AM
Which side of the planet are you on Mr 9.8?
The side with the U.S. & A. on it! ;)
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 October, 2010, 06:20:42 PM
"The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience"
Gosh !!
As if anyone is not going to see the film because they dont like the look of the uniform.
Ridiculous and if they dont know the source material then what the hell does it matter ?
This is beyond any small changes for practical reasons but what is and isnt acceptable to a broader audience ?
I dont like the sound of it at all and it sounds like the worst kind of pandering to the dribbling Joe Public but unfortunately thats reality.
This part I don't get
"The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience" what do they mean by Broader Audience?
When I think ''BA'' I think teenagers, but this flick ain't aimed at them, right? :eh:
Don't say that :o,general public hopefully.
Im hoping that the Uniform will for the most part stay true to our realisations of what we know Dredd to have. Any different and it wont be Dredd.
The changes im thinking as been said here before will be to either assist the movement of the actor in the uniform (eagle, arm and knee pad and shoulder pad tweaks) and or toned down colours replacing the green for black which I think works a whole lot better cosmetically.
The Minty uniform as we have seen in the fantastic teaser trailer works, and thats pretty on the money for my liking, so it can be done!
Any major overhaul then it just wont be Dredd!
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 October, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
This part I don't get "The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience" what do they mean by Broader Audience?
Fatter.
Quote from: Garageman on 22 October, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 22 October, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
This part I don't get "The overall look is being updated to suit a broader audience" what do they mean by Broader Audience?
Fatter.
That sounds about right. :lol:
heh as long as the helmet disnae come off.
am gonae be the HELMET STALKER yum yum
More maneuvareble uniform with subdued colours perhaps, but please, no 3ft fire-farting ABC Warriors made of tinfoil. :thumbsdown:
Maybe when we see the helmet, we'll be wishing he kept it OFF for the entire movie! :lol:
I really do hope they keep the eagle shoulder pad. Impractical as it may be, it's probably one of the Dredd Uniform's two most iconic elements, along with the helmet.
Also, based on some of the artwork I've seen over the years (can't recall which artist(s) or when exactly) if you make the eagle shoulder pad too[\i] small it ends up looking sillier than the huge version, so I really hope they don't go down the 'excessive shrinkage' route either.
A Judge hunter I think.
Slightly topical, maybe.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_01/robocop0904_468x591.jpg)
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I can see both shoulder pads being part of the leather jacket,just shaped/molded.Motorbike jackets have huge shoulder anyway.Helps me feel like i'm patroling the mean streets when nip to spar for a pint of milk...
edit,like this but more so and coloured obv
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/Ultimate-Jacket.gif)
I see your Judge Hunter and raise you a Robocop
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4524587533_6bd0e0e393_z.jpg)
WTF is that a concept bust from the film or a fan sculpt?
Quote from: Teivion on 23 October, 2010, 11:19:23 AM
I see your Judge Hunter and raise you a Robocop
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4524587533_6bd0e0e393_z.jpg)
thats F N cool :o :o
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 23 October, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
WTF is that a concept bust from the film or a fan sculpt?
Rob Bottin actually modeled the Robocop suit on Judge Dredd Originally. Thats a still from when he was working on the movie. Its no coincidence Robocop is so close in spirit to Judge Dredd. It was their inspiration.
Yeah,i can see Robocop in the body and stance now.Cool.
Been lurking since page one of this thread and decided it was time to sign up.
Uniform - quite simply, keep it as close to the original source material as possible. It's worked fine in printed form for the last 25 odd years and is quintessential to the character of the judges. Make it more practical, by all means, but let's not reinvent the wheel (remember last time?).
Casting - Karl Urban, admittedly not a first choice, or even in the running, but I think he'll do fine. Ron Pearlman would've been perfect imho, but I'd rather the budget be spent on the film, not the star. As this is a younger Dredd story, the casting makes sense.
Olivia Thirlby? I'm yet to be sold on her, she's not my idea of Anderson. Ali Larter would've been perfect, but It'll be interesting to see how Ms.Thrilby interprets the character.
Script - I'll admit I have downloaded and read "Peach Trees", and there's some really good ideas in it. A good introduction to Dredd for the uninitiated? Yes, I think so. Certainly a better story than the '95 version, and more in-tune with the subject matter - I think this will be the Dredd film fans have been waiting for.
I like that Robocop thing. With a little tweaking you can keep the shoulder pads while fixing the mobility problem and providing extra protection for the chest.
Maybe take a nod from the *cough* '95 movie *cough* and expand the grey clicky together part so the chest area is broken up colour-wise from the shoulder pads.
in a way dredd is a fascist robot.
If the shoulder pads on the uniform look like this:
(http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Judge-Dredd-Complete-Case-Files-Volume-1.jpg)
I'd be satisfied
Belt buckle :o
That's to shield his LAWGIVER ;)
Thought it was a sporran
Quote from: Cyclopz on 23 October, 2010, 09:18:10 PM
If the shoulder pads on the uniform look like this:
(http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Judge-Dredd-Complete-Case-Files-Volume-1.jpg)
I'd be satisfied
I recently bought this, and I have to say, I love the way Dredd was drawn in the early days, and I'm a bit disappointed that none of the recent artists have really revisited this rendition of Dredd. It would be cool if the film did.
Quote from: pops1983 on 23 October, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 23 October, 2010, 09:18:10 PM
If the shoulder pads on the uniform look like this:
(http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Judge-Dredd-Complete-Case-Files-Volume-1.jpg)
I'd be satisfied
I recently bought this, and I have to say, I love the way Dredd was drawn in the early days, and I'm a bit disappointed that none of the recent artists have really revisited this rendition of Dredd. It would be cool if the film did.
I'm surprised judges don't have more body armor then they do.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 23 October, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
I'm surprised judges don't have more body armor then they do.
Smart cloth body armour. See previous page.
http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,28503.1515.html
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I asked Altered States designs a question on FB about Dredd and if it was faithfull to the comic?
Quote...
Me= ''Dredd? looking faithfull to the comic design wise? yes or no will do please :)
AS= ''Maybe?
There's a lot more stuff being finalized now the shoot date is getting closer. I can't say much, but there are definitely bits the fans will recognize, and hopefully appreciate. Certain things are also being updated.''
end quote.
To be expected i suppose.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 26 October, 2010, 05:11:55 AM
I asked Altered States designs a question on FB about Dredd and if it was faithfull to the comic?
Quote...
Me= ''Dredd? looking faithfull to the comic design wise? yes or no will do please :)
AS= ''Maybe?
There's a lot more stuff being finalized now the shoot date is getting closer. I can't say much, but there are definitely bits the fans will recognize, and hopefully appreciate. Certain things are also being updated.''
end quote.
To be expected i suppose.
Hmm...
To me, this reads like; "It looks nothing like the Dredd you know from the comic but we've tossed in one or two little details to please the fanboys".
I'm bracing myself for the 'generic riot-cop' look that I hoped would be avoided.
I've got a bad feeling about this...
Bit concerned myself.I can see a cross between a US Marine crossed with a riot cop look in black.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 26 October, 2010, 05:11:02 PM
Bit concerned myself.I can see a cross between a US Marine crossed with a riot cop look in black.
That to me looks about right. The Uniform essentially will not resemble what we know Dredd to wear.
When shall we Officially start a protest ?
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 26 October, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 26 October, 2010, 05:11:02 PM
Bit concerned myself.I can see a cross between a US Marine crossed with a riot cop look in black.
That to me looks about right. The Uniform essentially will not resemble what we know Dredd to wear.
When shall we Officially start a protest ?
We start throwing shit like angry chimps the second we see it and dont like it :D
Well, the helmet better look atleast 90% or 85% like it does in the comics. Like Batman's cowl, Dredd's helmet is his main point of visual recognition. So, if they get the helmet correct, the body suit, like the Bat-suits in Nolan's films, can eventually grow on fans as more pictures or footage are shown. That will hopefully be the worst case scenario.
As long as the costume is instantly recognisable as a judge (minus codpiece please) i'll be happy.
Its Urban's performance that will (hopefully) nail the character of Dredd.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 26 October, 2010, 05:11:55 AM
I asked Altered States designs a question on FB about Dredd and if it was faithfull to the comic?
Quote...
Me= ''Dredd? looking faithfull to the comic design wise? yes or no will do please :)
AS= ''Maybe?
There's a lot more stuff being finalized now the shoot date is getting closer. I can't say much, but there are definitely bits the fans will recognize, and hopefully appreciate. Certain things are also being updated.''
end quote.
To be expected i suppose.
I just left a message over on their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/)
"You have to keep it as near to the original as possible!
Seriously there will be a massive outcry if it doesent have the Eagle, Badge, Helmet and Shoulder pad as is.
No gold codpieces please. Tweak it by all means, dumb it down a little for movement sake, tweak the green gloves and make them black but dont reinvent the wheel for something that has been around for nearly 40 years.
Please we implore you DONT rehash it."
Had to say something :|
Good one Gumps. We should petition Urban to push for original concept. I think he'd be the first with his handful of crazy chimp debate.
I'm starting to wonder about the helmet now... I'm thinking if anything changes with the helmet, it will be the X bit across the nose which gets deleted! :o And the pull down respirator/badge on the helmet... that is sure to go... or be given the morphing robotic treatment.
They need to get some pictures out fast before a block war breaks out!
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 26 October, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
I just left a message over on their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/)
"You have to keep it as near to the original as possible!
Seriously there will be a massive outcry if it doesent have the Eagle, Badge, Helmet and Shoulder pad as is.
No gold codpieces please. Tweak it by all means, dumb it down a little for movement sake, tweak the green gloves and make them black but dont reinvent the wheel for something that has been around for nearly 40 years.
Please we implore you DONT rehash it."
Had to say something :|
Do you really think you will or any of us should have any influence -especially at this stage- on the production design of a film we are not paying for up front or even working on?
Please, let's be real about this people.
I was just going to say the same thing...
No. This one is beyond any of our control obviously. But we WILL influence whether they get to make another one if they F it up... by not buying tickets to see it! When is it supposed to be coming out? 2012? I doubt we'll see any images from it this year anyway.
I guess we should remember that unlike the previous effort (or lack of it), this time there appears to be a lot more consultation done with those in the know. I doubt Jock, Wagner or Urban would want to be involved with something which wavers too much from the original...
The uniforms from the Judge Minty film show that the comic uniform does work on screen.
Having ran about in it and adopted numerous fire positions, I can see no reason why they would have to change much to the uniform.
EDIT: Saying all that I shall wait and see, this is one of the reasons I try to keep off this thread but I made the mistake of looking at it earlier ::)
Quote from: Garageman on 26 October, 2010, 06:58:14 PM
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 26 October, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
I just left a message over on their Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Altered-States-design-VFX/)
"You have to keep it as near to the original as possible!
Seriously there will be a massive outcry if it doesent have the Eagle, Badge, Helmet and Shoulder pad as is.
No gold codpieces please. Tweak it by all means, dumb it down a little for movement sake, tweak the green gloves and make them black but dont reinvent the wheel for something that has been around for nearly 40 years.
Please we implore you DONT rehash it."
Had to say something :|
Do you really think you will or any of us should have any influence -especially at this stage- on the production design of a film we are not paying for up front or even working on?
Please, let's be real about this people.
Fair comment but if an opinion is not aired and the Uniform ends up like the 1995 debarcle then at least I feel vindicated that I voiced my concerns.
The helmet will be on screen for pretty much the entire film, and long before the role was cast it was the only tangible face of Dredd the film-makers had. From what I've heard we shouldn't be worried about alterations to the classic design. It may even exceed expectations.
Remember that the Kingsleys have had a say in all this, and that DNA have chosen to develop this film in spite of the colossal bombing of the 1995 monstrosity. What film company would take this risk if they didn't think they could do it right this time? It'd be madness. DNA seems very sensible and they manage to consistently produce successful quality films.
In view of the script being (as some have quite reasonably said) "not very Mega City One" then what's left to make this a Judge Dredd story? The characterisations in the script are better than we could've hoped, but if the Judge uniforms turn out to be anything other than practical translations of the classic design into a "believable gritty, future-noir world" then they may as well have not bothered obtaining the rights to the property... or worked with the Kingsleys, hired Jock, consulted Wagner, splashed the project all over Cannes, convinced Karl Urban to hide his face and take part in a tainted property at a time when his career is on the rise, and co-ordinated craftsmen across three continents with their biggest-budgeted picture to date.
I'm as apprehensive as the next fan, but so many aspects of the film have a good chance of turning out better than could be hoped. If not, we riot! :)
According to IMDB Langley Kirkwood has been cast as Judge Lex. Don't know if this has been posted previously (I'm not re-reading 100 - odd pages)?
With regards to the uniform, I really don't think they'll drop the ball this time around, and has been said previously, it's too early to speculate just where they're heading with this adaptation.
I'm quite prepared to wait until something official is posted before passing judgement (no pun intended), and I've high hopes for DNA's production.
"28 Days Later", "28 Weeks..." and "Sunshine" have all been innovative, well made productions. I can't see them messing Dredd up.
Given that Urban's been taking the piss out of the old Golden Codpiece in interviews, I'm guessing they'll do the uniform justice.
Design companies being design companies will have their own ideas about how things like the uniform should look and they will always think they know best especially if they are not familiar with the character and because they are being paid to design they will want to change it rather than modify it.
They wont be allowed to do what they like especially if the creators are involved which is a good thing otherwise god knows what you would be presented with.
The well established popular pub that was ruined by new management scenario springs to mind here were it not for the creators in the sense that just because something can be changed or altered doesnt always mean it should be changed or altered or that it needs to be changed or altered but others will always have their own ideas about things that are not always thought out properly.
Change must never be for the sake of change and neither should updating something be for the sake of it.
I dont have a good feeling about the design company but thats offset by the creators being involved but i hope it doesnt end up as a too many cooks spoil the broth scenario.
Quote from: minus on 26 October, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
No. This one is beyond any of our control obviously. But we WILL influence whether they get to make another one if they F it up... by not buying tickets to see it!
We
could.... but I suspect that even if we see on-set pictures of a uniformm we dislike... many of us wills still go to see it.
I was quite hopeful at first to hear they were modernising the suit. But it was the cageyness of their reply regarding how faithful to the comic version it would be. It'd be a mistake to totally remove things like the shoulder eagle. You can design the hell out of anything, but there's a point when it'll stop being Judge Dredd and becomes just another generic cop set in the future. There are some great designs out there - we see them everyday in comics and video games. But the Judge suit is a classic design.
I guess we all have to wait and see.
I don't really know how these things work, but is there a possibility that they might opt to buy in and use actual existing elements like body armour/boots etc both for cost reasons (presumably cheaper than designing and building everything from scratch) and also because it is more practical and looks authentic.
Regardless, I still maintain that as long as Jock has played a part revising uniform, there's no need to worry!
Quote from: radiator on 26 October, 2010, 10:13:52 PM
I don't really know how these things work, but is there a possibility that they might opt to buy in and use actual existing elements like body armour/boots etc both for cost reasons (presumably cheaper than designing and building everything from scratch) and also because it is more practical and looks authentic.
Regardless, I still maintain that as long as Jock has played a part revising uniform, there's no need to worry!
I doubt that very much. The budget may be smaller than some would like, but it's not
that small.
And I agree on the second point, for the most part. I was thinking the same thing myself.
Mostly... (http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5093/newt2.jpg)
They seem to know what they are doing going by their website but their work is more along the lines of designing and creating aliens and creatures and animatronics rather than redesigning or designing existing characters and Uniforms but who knows ?
I dont think i can keep posting comments about every little bit of info and things like spypics that pops up on the web like i am obsessive about it as i think from now on i am just going to forget about it for a while as its out of my hands not that it was ever in my hands as i meant that metaphorically.
It just gets boring otherwise.
From facebook:
QuoteIt's definitely not a rehash of the Stallone movie, that's for sure. Ultimately it's the production designers show, and all we can do is try to make stuff as cool as possible. The iconic bits are all there, just tweaked. I'd love to show you, but I kind of like my career..
Panic over?
Panic over?
[/quote]
Yes.
Not that I was panicked ;)
Quote from: SAJse on 27 October, 2010, 12:15:33 AM
Mostly... (http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5093/newt2.jpg)
nice 1
Well, they have the skills to solve the problem of Karls lack of chin.
(http://www.alteredstatesfx.co.uk/images/lazytown_01.gif/bmi_orig_img/lazytown_01.gif)
(http://www.alteredstatesfx.co.uk/images/lazytown_02.gif/bmi_orig_img/lazytown_02.gif)
Hey Ratty! Where's the pictures? I wanna see THE MAN's CHIN! :lol:
Quote from: golledge100 on 27 October, 2010, 01:21:52 AM
From facebook:
QuoteIt's definitely not a rehash of the Stallone movie, that's for sure. Ultimately it's the production designers show, and all we can do is try to make stuff as cool as possible. The iconic bits are all there, just tweaked. I'd love to show you, but I kind of like my career..
Panic over?
Reassuring reply (to a degree), probably. *Said in a Cavor stylee*
Well most artists tweak little bits of the uniform anyway. Siku losing the nosepiece, 7 links, 9 links, D'Israeli rounded helmets, McCarthys flared helmets. Is there a standard ?
Quote from: James Stacey on 27 October, 2010, 09:39:04 AM
Well most artists tweak little bits of the uniform anyway. Siku losing the nosepiece, 7 links, 9 links, D'Israeli rounded helmets, McCarthys flared helmets. Is there a standard ?
^^ This.
The movie is an interpretation of Dredd—it's not a slavish recreation. People getting their knickers in a twist about the fact they likely won't copy the comic version exactly is insane. Which version should they copy? And while the Minty stuff looks good to us, we all know Dredd. However, the Dredd movie will have to appeal to people coming into it cold. If they look at Dredd and go "wow, he looks like an idiot", it's over. They *have* to, in the current climate, create something believable. If that means toning down or redesigning components of the uniform, so be it.
It's also interesting to see people down on the Stallone design. While early attempts were shockingly bad, I reckon what they ended up with in some cases worked nicely. The colours were improved, the helmet was better than the magazine version, and the gun was suitably chunky. Ditch the codpiece and make the main 'bodysuit' material from a tougher-looking material (maybe leather) and there would have been little to complain about.
I understand that this will be an 'interpretation' and the uniform will be adapted for the film. I don't mind a bit of re-designing. I think Dredd's uniform is long overdue a bit of a tweak here and there, I'm only concerned that the new film version will be so far removed from the Dredd that we know that it might as well not be called 'Dredd' at all.
Faithful costume adaptations are common these days in film. Look at Hellboy, Spider-Man, Iron Man etc. I don't expect, or want, an exact replica of the comic Dredd in the film, I just want to be able to recognise Dredd.
Admittedly I'm jumping the gun somewhat as I've not seen any of the design work, so I'll just sit back and wait, fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Quote
The movie is an interpretation of Dredd—it's not a slavish recreation.
Exactly. To me, the uniform, the gun, the chin, whether we see his face or not - all that stuff is really not that important - it would be nice if it remains close to the comic version, but at the end of the day it's just details. Surely the key things they need to nail is the
tone and the
character.
Having skim read parts of the script, it seems they have Dredd's gruff, dry demeanor nailed - at this point my main concern about the movie is how the city is going to be portrayed - in the script it's merely shown as being a violent, bleak, scary place and while Mega-City One can be all those things, it's also a colourful, eccentric, at times beautiful, vivid and exciting city.
I had a theory that the depiction of the city and the citizens would be the one thing that John Wagner would object to. While the script is unlikely to change much at this late stage, it seems as if Wagner is now being more heavily consulted and the production team are making an active effort to inject a lot of colour and typical Mega-City craziness into the background or in establishing shots or short, lighter hearted scenes peppering the main story. This seems to be the case, as confirmed by Matt Smith in the CBR interview:
Quote
There are plans to do a lot of the sort of Mega-City flavor in the background...
Quote from: Lee Bates on 27 October, 2010, 11:13:42 AMAdmittedly I'm jumping the gun somewhat as I've not seen any of the design work
Well, quite, as are loads of people here. Until we see the thing
in a finished trailer, there's no real way to judge its success at all. And even then, you may find the final film works better (or worse).
I really don't see why people are so worried. Sure, Dredd might be a Catwoman-style disaster, but let's look at the facts: Jock on preproduction duties; Wagner as consultant; a lead who wants the thing to stay true to the comic he loves; Rebellion actively involved in what's most definitely their most valuable IP and much of the reason why they bought 2000 AD in the first place; a new production company keen to showcase this film; and so on.
The signs are good. You won't get Dredd, 2000 AD-style, but it's looking like we could get a decent film
adaptation that could also finally break Dredd worldwide and shore up 2000 AD itself for years to come.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2010, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 27 October, 2010, 11:13:42 AMAdmittedly I'm jumping the gun somewhat as I've not seen any of the design work
Well, quite, as are loads of people here. Until we see the thing in a finished trailer, there's no real way to judge its success at all. And even then, you may find the final film works better (or worse).
I really don't see why people are so worried. Sure, Dredd might be a Catwoman-style disaster, but let's look at the facts: Jock on preproduction duties; Wagner as consultant; a lead who wants the thing to stay true to the comic he loves; Rebellion actively involved in what's most definitely their most valuable IP and much of the reason why they bought 2000 AD in the first place; a new production company keen to showcase this film; and so on.
The signs are good. You won't get Dredd, 2000 AD-style, but it's looking like we could get a decent film adaptation that could also finally break Dredd worldwide and shore up 2000 AD itself for years to come.
Yes, yes, I know all that! I must be allowed some frantic busy-bodying for goodness sake! I'm just flapping my lips because I'm so excited about the film. I never thought there would be another major Dredd film in my lifetime and now there is, I want it to be really good.
At least we're all
talking about it which is a good thing.
If the uniform doesn't closely resemble the comic version I will be very disappointed.
After all the guff about 'staying true to the comic roots' etc... they can't really deviate too much from the established.. can they??
For the record I thought the Stallone uniform wasn't bad at all.
If they got one thing right in that film it was the look.. uniform, Mega City One, Lawmaster, Mean Angel... all very good in my opinion.
The 1995 movie generally looked OK, but ISTR the set dressing of MC1 the and costumes of the citizens looked a little dated even at the time - like a watered down Blade Runner.
Stallone Dredd's uniform/equipment looked OK, but way too plasticy and clean - not gritty or tough looking enough for my liking.
I think the films success will be judged(du..dum..dum...ting)on nailing the tone and getting the right characterisation of Dredd than how close the costume resembles the comic. As long as the helmet resembles the comic's iteration, I can be less precious about the rest.
The costume has to be practical to move in and perform action in. If you look at the Stallone movie, he did an awful lot of just standing around and the action that did occur was mostly with the uniform off.
Mad Max style biker leathers with a high tech finish and a kick-arse helmet would work for me.
I told someone I work with about the new movie in production and his reaction was Fucking yes.
Bearing in mind that he hardly knows Dredd the comic. His main view on Dredd world was the 95 mess and he absolutely loved it. He has also informed me that the 95 mess has a cult status out there in movie land. I wonder what they will make of (in their eyes) the changes.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 27 October, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
I told someone I work with about the new movie in production and his reaction was Fucking yes.
Bearing in mind that he hardly knows Dredd the comic. His main view on Dredd world was the 95 mess and he absolutely loved it. He has also informed me that the 95 mess has a cult status out there in movie land. I wonder what they will make of (in their eyes) the changes.
V
They will probably think the new film and the changes have ruined it .
:lol:
As far as a standard Stallone action picture goes, Judge Dredd was an enjoyable enough romp. As a celluloid interpretation of everyone's favourite Mega City One law man, well, let's just say Stallone should've done a sequel to Demolition Man and left it there.
I don't really care if the rest of the cinema "gets" Dredd in the way a dyed in the wool fan would - the film should stand up on it's own merits - I want to see the respectful interpretation we've waited so long to see. It's not too much to ask? ;)
You can't please all the people all of the time, but you could at least try! :)
It was Demolition Man meets Sliders. Except it lacked Wesley Snipes. Poor decision.
Just did a little digging into casting calls for extras. This might be for Dredd. Note that the first date is 2004 and obviously a typo as it's talking about a film in 2010. http://www.colttalent.com/AvailableJobs.php
Date: 2004-09-23
Currently looking for men aged 23-45 yrs of age to play SWAT/military/army/police roles in a new movie starting October 2010.
Date: 2010-09-23
Currently looking for men & women for the following roles in a new movie shooting in Cape Town: - people with tattoos & piercings - people with dreadlocks or who look like punks or goths - cape flats gangster looking people - African & mixed race grannies - white & mixed race men with characterful, wrinkled, interesting faces
Tattoos, piercings, gangsters, punks, goths, and grannies! Could be unrelated but it sounds Dredd-like to me! :)
...although I just saw J.P. van der Merwe (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1850845/) has been added to the IMDB page for extras casting! ...as has Urban's stunt double, Paul Hampshire (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2518215/).
Punks, goths, piercings and tattoos? Hahahaha, i love 'future' movies that go down this route, piling cliche upon cliche. Cool. But the more i hear about 'Dredd', the less i think it's going to be of interest to me. The uniform will be the tipping point, i think.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 October, 2010, 01:52:43 PM
Punks, goths, piercings and tattoos? Hahahaha, i love 'future' movies that go down this route, piling cliche upon cliche. Cool. But the more i hear about 'Dredd', the less i think it's going to be of interest to me. The uniform will be the tipping point, i think.
SBT
Yeah, becuase MC-1 doesn't feature any citizens who match that description..!
Yeah, I think that the punky, gothy thing only become such a cliche because Dredd and MC1 did it first and eveyone else copied it.
I remember, as a young punk in the 80's, reading Judge Dredd with my mates and all of us being pleased that almost everyone would be a punk in the future.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 October, 2010, 02:27:43 PM
I remember, as a young punk in the 80's, reading Judge Dredd with my mates and all of us being pleased that almost everyone would be a punk in the future.
I always liked the character of Blank Reg in Max Headroom - a guy who'd been a punk all his life, right into his old age (mohawk and all). "Remember when we said 'no future'? Well this is it."
I've just blogged (http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/) about another six more confirmed cast members for Dredd. Notable names are Jason Cope who played all the aliens in District 9, and Warwick Grier who is a classical theatre actor and was terrific in the 2009 remake of The Prisoner.
Monsieur CraveNoir you are spoiling us with all these juicy DREDD related tit-bits!
Thanks and keep up the great work wetting our appetites.
I have just sent my request for the 2nd and 3rd option. Fingers crossed.
V
CraveNoir is doing a stunning job with collating the film info, thank you!
Certainly looks like things are moving at a fair pace now and would be nice to see some "leaked" productions stills before Chrimble :)
You're welcome. (It's an illness, don't encourage me!) :)
I am not so sure you would get your expenses and flights paid for if you are an extra.
It would be good if you did though but i doubt it would happen.
A new credit has appeared on the IMDB cast and crew page.
Costume and Wardrobe Department
Stephen Kill .... leather costume fabricator
We know the uniform is being made in the UK, and from his credits (Dark Knight, Harry Potter, Robin Hood, Troy, Alexander, Kigdom of Heaven) it appears that Stephen Kill is based here. I'm going to suggest he's been crafting the Judge uniforms... or at least parts of them.
I believe he's crafting the codpiece.
...in leather
@CraveNoir: is this the same guy from Altered States VFX ?
Don't know what you mean. I doubt there's any connection other than Altered States and Kill are both working on the uniform.
TALK IS CHEAP
yes and
...anyway, at least they have toned it down and its a leather codpiece, not a gold one.
As long as that's not the entire costume....
The codpiece on Stallone's costume wasn't even gold. And if you look closely, you'll see that it's modelled almost exactly on Johnny Alpha's codpiece from Early Strontium Dog stories.
Not that I'm defending the codpiece you understand, but in the interests of accuracy...
Quote from: Lee Bates on 01 November, 2010, 12:54:34 PM
The codpiece on Stallone's costume wasn't even gold. And if you look closely, you'll see that it's modelled almost exactly on Johnny Alpha's codpiece from Early Strontium Dog stories.
Not quite.
If look closely, he only started to give Johnny the codpiece after the film.
I expect nothing less than this!
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/Dickyking/blackie4xk.jpg)
WASP :D ,Didn't that explode on him? or the one with the saw blade?can't remember..
An "I Am The(Blackie)Law(less)" if you will! ;)
I remember WASP had the cover of one of their 45s banned at the time
The single was called 'I f**k Like A Beast' and if I remember rightly the cover was a chainsaw tearing through someones gonads...
Ouch... :|
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 01 November, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
WASP :D ,Didn't that explode on him? or the one with the saw blade?can't remember..
To quote the man himself.
"The codpiece malfunctioned and nearly fused my asshole shut."
Ouch,really ouch.
I had F8ck like a beast on 12'' pic disk, had a woman bent over a chair getting
'troubled' off a doberman,proper kids music ;)
Quote from: George Moore on 01 November, 2010, 05:14:39 PM
I remember WASP had the cover of one of their 45s banned at the time
The single was called 'I f**k Like A Beast' and if I remember rightly the cover was a chainsaw tearing through someones gonads...
Ouch... :|
I remember that sleeve.
It was a codpiece with a circular blade with large teeth like the4 kind you find in a circular saw.I dont recall it tearing anything though.
Picture:
http://music.shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=wasp+animal+****+like+a+beast&_sacat=11233&_odkw=wasp+animal+fuck+like+a+beast&_osacat=11233&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
Its a bit crap that JD has to appear with a codpiece in the film though but its very predictable but the way i see it is its unnecessary.
Theres no codpiece in the comic.Stupid thing.
Who says there is going to be a codpiece anyway or is just more rumour ?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 01 November, 2010, 05:39:00 PM
Who says there is going to be a codpiece anyway or is just more rumour ?
Just some hearty piss taking I think
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 November, 2010, 05:58:59 PMJust some hearty piss taking I think
If they intend to use the codpiece for piss-taking it will require a catheter attachment. I can see how it would come in useful on those 24 hour shifts judges do.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 01 November, 2010, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 01 November, 2010, 05:58:59 PMJust some hearty piss taking I think
If they intend to use the codpiece for piss-taking it will require a catheter attachment. I can see how it would come in useful on those 24 hour shifts judges do.
Boom boom!
Composers reel for pitch to the Producers. Apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-JLZykA7uU
"City Ramapge" is on James Semple's site (http://www.jamessemple.com/music.html)
"Act of War" is on Thomas Hill's site (http://www.spazticproductions.com/).
Quote from: CraveNoir on 02 November, 2010, 07:46:22 PM
Composers reel for pitch to the Producers. Apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-JLZykA7uU
"City Ramapge" is on James Semple's site (http://www.jamessemple.com/music.html)
"Act of War" is on Thomas Hill's site (http://www.spazticproductions.com/).
Both sound like rather pedestrian and dated orchestral works, wrong direction for a new Dredd, and I hope they're not going to go for a pseudo nu-metal angle either. Needs more substance and heft.
Had to watch it twice as I started following the Narco's/Orlok storyline and didn't seem to register the soundtrack first time round.
Actually quite like the musical score.
V
Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118026768.html) Lionsgate will distribute DREDD in the US.
The announcement was jointly made Tuesday by Lionsgate co-chief operating officer and motion picture group prexy Joe Drake and Ford, founder and CEO of IM Global. Deal, announced on the eve of the American Film Market, has been in the works for several weeks.
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/11/lionsgate-to-distribute-dredd.html
Quote from: Garageman on 02 November, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 02 November, 2010, 07:46:22 PM
Composers reel for pitch to the Producers. Apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-JLZykA7uU
"City Ramapge" is on James Semple's site (http://www.jamessemple.com/music.html)
"Act of War" is on Thomas Hill's site (http://www.spazticproductions.com/).
Both sound like rather pedestrian and dated orchestral works, wrong direction for a new Dredd, and I hope they're not going to go for a pseudo nu-metal angle either. Needs more substance and heft.
Still holding out hope that Brendon Small gets the job.
I think he'd do a great job.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 03 November, 2010, 12:30:36 AM
Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118026768.html) Lionsgate will distribute DREDD in the US.
The announcement was jointly made Tuesday by Lionsgate co-chief operating officer and motion picture group prexy Joe Drake and Ford, founder and CEO of IM Global. Deal, announced on the eve of the American Film Market, has been in the works for several weeks.
http://www.judgedreddmovienews.com/2010/11/lionsgate-to-distribute-dredd.html
That means we'll probably see a "Dredd" trailer attached to Lionsgate's release of "Conan" on August 2011. :)
Anyone else notice SPAZTIC PRODUCTIONS at the end of the composers reel? With a name like SPAZ, you'd have to be really crap, or so brilliant at what you do that it doesn't really matter what you call yourself. :lol:
does it really start filming next week ? cor!
Soon see the uniform/bike/meg stuff...
Parts of the city may (probably will from what I've learned) look a lot like the walkways around the Cape Town Civic Centre which you can have a drive around on Googlemaps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=-33.920592,+18.429929&sll=53.121474,-4.127036&sspn=0.011654,0.03577&ie=UTF8&z=17&iwloc=A).
Bear in mind they'll probably dress the immediate area around the action and replace the surroundings with CGI mattes. So nothing can be learned from this other than they want to film exterior utilitarian concrete pedestrian stairways, bridges and walkways!
Look like the wide open spaces between blocks,i can almost see the CGI backgrounds and set dressings
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4039261858_7617838b7e.jpg
futuristic council flats?
That looks like one of the locations from A Clockwork Orange
John Wagner has just posted that the filming is due to start on the 14th November :D
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 November, 2010, 06:58:51 PM
John Wagner has just posted that the filming is due to start on the 14th November :D
Excellent news CF! I may get my Xmas wish and see a few leaked production stills before xmas
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 November, 2010, 06:58:51 PM
John Wagner has just posted that the filming is due to start on the 14th November :D
That's not the actual john Wagner who posted that. He's just the page owner who goes by that name. The real John has his own page:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000343794043&ref=sgm
but you know that anyway.
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2010/11/03/lionsgate-secure-rights-3d-dredd/
QuoteThis time around, Karl Urban (you may know him as Bones from the new STAR TREK) will take on the title role, and Olivia Thirlby (Ellen Page's sardonic friend in JUNO) as his trainee/love interest.
"Love interest?" :-\
That kiss with Hershey in the Stallone movie has a lot to answer for and is still casting its ugly shadow over people's expectations of the new film. I suspect that for people who are only familiar with Dredd through the previous movie, "love interest" is exactly what they'll expect when they see Dredd with a new female partner on screen.
QuoteThat's not the actual john Wagner who posted that. He's just the page owner who goes by that name. The real John has his own page:
Nah, pretty sure it is the real John Wagner. The fan page used to be moderated by someone else, but Wagner himself does it now.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 05 November, 2010, 12:06:51 AM
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2010/11/03/lionsgate-secure-rights-3d-dredd/
QuoteThis time around, Karl Urban (you may know him as Bones from the new STAR TREK) will take on the title role, and Olivia Thirlby (Ellen Page's sardonic friend in JUNO) as his trainee/love interest.
"Love interest?" :-\
That kiss with Hershey in the Stallone movie has a lot to answer for and is still casting its ugly shadow over people's expectations of the new film. I suspect that for people who are only familiar with Dredd through the previous movie, "love interest" is exactly what they'll expect when they see Dredd with a new female partner on screen.
I think the Hollywood News are ass-uming that there will be a love interest in this film but the makers of the film might decide that there has to be a love interest so the film has a broader appeal or some stupid crap like that
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 05 November, 2010, 12:06:51 AM
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2010/11/03/lionsgate-secure-rights-3d-dredd/
QuoteThis time around, Karl Urban (you may know him as Bones from the new STAR TREK) will take on the title role, and Olivia Thirlby (Ellen Page's sardonic friend in JUNO) as his trainee/love interest.
"Love interest?" :-\
That kiss with Hershey in the Stallone movie has a lot to answer for and is still casting its ugly shadow over people's expectations of the new film. I suspect that for people who are only familiar with Dredd through the previous movie, "love interest" is exactly what they'll expect when they see Dredd with a new female partner on screen.
Yes Most Americans always refer to that Stallone movie when talking about Judge Dredd and its a shame. Ive tried to spread the word on this forum but it seems very hard for most of them to understand.
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/lionsgate-acquires-three-im (http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/lionsgate-acquires-three-im)
The one impression that I get, which is consistent with most that say they've read the comic is that they may have glanced at one episode and the humour just went over their head.
John Wagner on the movie uniform (via facebook):
Quote(The filmmaker's) uniform was more paramilitary in style. I urged them to move it back towards the uniform we know and I think they took that on board, but I haven't seen the final version.
Hmmm.
They'd be daft not to take on board what Mr. Wagner is suggesting! Lets back our lads (Jock et- al) anyway and hope they can keep creative control over the project.
Paramilitary? Oh dear, doesn't sound promising.
The image is there already, make modifications for comfort and movement sake, but as far as I'm concerned Dredd is as Dredd is.
If it ain't broke... ;)
i LOVE lIONSGATE!
Quote from: radiator on 05 November, 2010, 04:42:58 PM
John Wagner on the movie uniform (via facebook):
Quote(The filmmaker's) uniform was more paramilitary in style. I urged them to move it back towards the uniform we know and I think they took that on board, but I haven't seen the final version.
Hmmm.
Who honestly didnt expect this to happen ?
I have had an image in my mind of a paramilitary looking JD for ages now.
Dont worry though as film studios always know best but there will be small parts of the uniform that will be recognisable to the fans* !!
:D
*I just hate that comment so much and i quoted it from elsewhere.
A message I just posted on that same thread but who would have creative rights over that Uniform ? Surely the intellectual property is Johns and Carlos' ? and if thats the case any "Paramilitary" or variant thereof wouldnt be green lighted until they had final say.
Not good,if Mr Wagner hasn't seen the final design,i thought he was a consultant?granted he told them to move back towards the original but the fact that he still ain't seen it makes me wonder how much influence he did have.Just enough to keep us quiet?
I've really no idea how many people read the progs. What is the print run for a prog? If each and every reader went and saw the movie, would that cover the production costs? Maybe this is why we are seeing this paramilitary uniform change... to appeal to the general public, and in particular, the American public.
As fans of 2000AD we of course want to see the comic strip writ large across the silver screen.
As Film producers the film makers have to appeal to the widest possible audience to re coup their investment. So prepare yourself for some inevitable changes to the 'classic' Judge Dredd uniform [shoulder pad, Eagle etc] to a more Halo meets Snake Plissken meets RoboCop type of thing.
Some things that work in a comic are simply impractical in real life. I think the shoulder Pad will definatly change and possibly, sacriligious though it is too say it will the shoulder Eagle. Dredd will probably be sporting Body Armour of some kind.
I imagine they'd want some way to distance it from the Stallone movie as well. Let's face it, some people wouldn't buy the costume if it was directly translated to the screen, and there is the chance that it'd come out looking like a fascist power ranger all over again. So as long as it's not totally unrecognizable, I'm curious as to what they're gonna do.
Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up...
To Quote a much used phrase in 'V for Vendetta' . . . Bollocks! >:( (to any paramilitary tweaks to Dredds image).
Quote from: Lee Bates on 05 November, 2010, 11:38:06 PM
Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up... Please don't fuck it up...
I wish i had as much confidence in it all as you have.
:D
My guess is the consultants will be sidelined more as things progress and to a certain extent the consultants are there to please the fans and i dont know how much creative control JW/Jock expect to realistically have.
Does anyone really think that the producers are going to listen to or ask the consultants about every little thing ?
Its better to be realistic from this point on to avoid disappointment and if the uniform has been radically altered then why expect everything else to be the same ?
Why should the producers care about what a minority of fans think about anything ?
They are in it for the money and to minimise any risk involved.
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 05 November, 2010, 08:05:22 PMA message I just posted on that same thread but who would have creative rights over that Uniform ? Surely the intellectual property is Johns and Carlos'?
No—it's Rebellion's IP.
Quoteand if thats the case any "Paramilitary" or variant thereof wouldnt be green lighted until they had final say.
Not if they don't own the IP—which they don't.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 05 November, 2010, 08:46:35 PMNot good,if Mr Wagner hasn't seen the final design,i thought he was a consultant?
He is, and he's been advising. That doesn't mean they have to listen to his advice.
Quotegranted he told them to move back towards the original but the fact that he still ain't seen it makes me wonder how much influence he did have.Just enough to keep us quiet?
Yes, because obviously the movie team would only get Wagner on board to keep the 2000 AD fan-boys happy and not, say, because he's the guy who's written the majority of Judge Dredd stories and therefore knows the character better than anyone else.
Quote from: Satnav on 05 November, 2010, 11:28:05 PMI imagine they'd want some way to distance it from the Stallone movie as well.
That's a pretty good point, but I think one can also take another angle on it: despite what people might argue, the Stallone Dredd costume *was* pretty accurate. Make the Dredd costume again and you might end up with something that looks like a remake of the 1995 film, which would turn off practically everyone. However, created something darker, grittier and different and the film has a shot.
Frankly, I don't really care, as long as some elements remain (helmet, some elements elsewhere), as long as the tone is right. Also, if Dredd was being designed today, do you really think he'd end up looking the same? He's a product of the 1970s, and while Ezquerra's design has stood the test of time pretty well, I'm sure he'd be the first to agree that a Dredd designed *today* would look very different—even if he was designing him.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 05 November, 2010, 11:55:39 PMThey are in it for the money and to minimise any risk involved.
Well, they are certainly in it for the money, because otherwise Dredd is done for in movies for a generation. But to minimise risk? Really? Let's see. Dredd is:
- Largely unknown.
- A niche UK comics character with almost no worldwide presence.
- A borderline fascist with few redeeming 'human' characteristics that you'd see in a film—hard to root for.
- Poisoned in Hollywood due to a dreadful sole existing movie.
Just doing a Dredd movie at all is a massive risk. So, yeah, if they tone down the crazy 1970s design for something more palatable to movie-goers, fair enough. And, let's face it, it worked pretty well for the X-Men.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 November, 2010, 11:12:21 PM
As fans of 2000AD we of course want to see the comic strip writ large across the silver screen.
As Film producers the film makers have to appeal to the widest possible audience to re coup their investment. So prepare yourself for some inevitable changes to the 'classic' Judge Dredd uniform [shoulder pad, Eagle etc] to a more Halo meets Snake Plissken meets RoboCop type of thing.
Some things that work in a comic are simply impractical in real life. I think the shoulder Pad will definatly change and possibly, sacriligious though it is too say it will the shoulder Eagle. Dredd will probably be sporting Body Armour of some kind.
Then why bother to call it DREDD? why not ''Miscellaneous FutureRobosoldier'' if they are going to change that much of the character??? :crazy:
I thought this was the reason Dredd was being made without Hollyweird's help, so as to avoid these types of shenanigans?
You could put Dredd in a frock and he'd still be Dredd. Albeit a very cheesed off Dredd.
The uniform is certainly iconic, and I hope they keep many of the elements, but it IS just a uniform. As long as it projects the faceless presence of law (and it likely will. They've said the helmet stays on or at least if it's off, his face will be hidden) and he acts in a way close to how he would in the comics, then that is Dredd.
As I've said I do hope they keep many of the elements. If it's a good film, I'm not going to fret much over it though. As for what makes him different for any other fascist cop, well, what makes any other pseudo-fascist* cop different from Dredd? He's pretty much the archetype isn't he?
I'm pretty sure there aren't that many out there. (At least not as protagonists.) You might quote Dirty Harry, (and there are certainly similarities, Dredd being partly based on him) but he would stretched the law to get the job done. Dredd fulfils it. Albeit it's a harsh law.
*I say 'pseudo-' because I'm not sure how fascist Dredd's world actually is. It's a totalitarian police state but I'm not sure if that's actually fascism. (I'm not saying it isn't, I honestly don't know much about politics to say.) I think the word is sometimes over-used.
If they want to appeal to a larger audience with these changes then why not do it in the comic and then ,you know ..sell more comics? seems a bit risky spending 45 mil on a film,changing the look of the main guy to 'appeal',what if it looks shit? wouldn't it be more prudent to do a dry run first in 2000ad,see what people thought? if its an improvement they have nothing to worry about.Of course they could have aken J.W advice on board and we end up with Bollands Dredd up there and im just getting flusterd about nowt...part of the fun of being a fan.
What would be the point of running it in the comic first if you're trying to appeal to a demographic beyond the readership? If this thread is anything to go by, the core readership would most likely hate it.
I can't imagine anybody isn't reading Dredd because they don't like the costume.
As for the new film costume - I'm hoping for the best, but fearing in an attempt to go as far as they can from Stallone Dredd it's going to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
What i meant was that if you are going to improve the look,then do across the board,nothing to worry about aslong as it does improve it,right? It just seems a bit more risky going with a revamp in a multi million dollar film first,all just speculation though.
What i thibk they should do is release a teaser shot/drawing whatever and let us get used to it,then idiots like me will shut up.
We're fans and that will of course cloud our judgement of anything but the comic book character we're familiar with.
The film makers have to appeal to an audience probably unfamiliar with Dredd's world though the film audience are familiar enough with the tough 'cop' breaking the rules to reinforce the rules scenario. Dredd is a futuristic version of this.
A tough,uncompromising Lawman and partner set out to save the townsfolk/citizens of the Mega City from an existential threat. The classic western set in the near future.
I haven't read the alleged screen play since it would spoil the film for me. It's like reading the ending of a book before you've read the whole thing.
Lionsgate is a good fit for Dredd-they did a great marketing job on Stallone's The Expendables, so I expect them to do as good a job on promoting Dredd.
Entertainment of course are doing the honours in the UK and they've got good previous too, which bodes well for the films' success.
http://www.entertainmentfilms.co.uk/
I think Indigo Prime has hit the nail on the head
X-Men was hugely successful despite what you could call drastic costume changes
I'm not sure what hardcore X-Men fans thought..but I for one was pleased not seeing Wolverine in yellow spandex
I think..as has already been pointed out..so long as core elements remain the same like the helmet..other changes will not make as much of an impact aesthetically as you might think, at the same time dragging Dredd into the 21st Century
Quote from: George Moore on 06 November, 2010, 12:20:49 PM
I think Indigo Prime has hit the nail on the head
X-Men was hugely successful despite what you could call drastic costume changes
I'm not sure what hardcore X-Men fans thought..but I for one was pleased not seeing Wolverine in yellow spandex
I think..as has already been pointed out..so long as core elements remain the same like the helmet..other changes will not make as much of an impact aesthetically as you might think, at the same time dragging Dredd into the 21st Century
If anything the X-Men film improved on some very camp costumes. Dredd is baroque, not camp, so a different design angle is needed to enhance but not change it.
If it goes tits up we've still got 'Minty' to look forward to and thats spot on!
Quote from: dracula1 on 06 November, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
If it goes tits up we've still got 'Minty' to look forward to and thats spot on!
This
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 November, 2010, 04:50:07 AMIf they want to appeal to a larger audience with these changes then why not do it in the comic and then ,you know ..sell more comics?
Various reasons. First, 2000 AD and the Meg appeal to an are bought by a core audience that is largely familiar with Dredd's world. In magazine terms, 2000 AD is a niche concern, and so radical overhauls for no good reason should be avoided.
By comparison, a movie is targeting the widest possible audience. If it somewhat alienates the core fans, that won't be an issue if it's a good film in itself and millions of people flock to the screens. The key is to ensure the quality is high and the core (read: noisy) fans aren't pissed off too much. We all remember League, where the film was poor, but its fate was sealed by core fans rampaging round and telling everyone it was about the worst thing ever to hit cinemas.
QuoteWhat i thibk they should do is release a teaser shot/drawing whatever and let us get used to it,then idiots like me will shut up.
I doubt any teaser would pacify those concerned about the direction of the film. If anything it would fuel the rumours that this won't be 'Dredd'. Ultimately, of course, it won't be anyway. It's not written by Wagner. It's not designed by a 2000 AD artist. It's a moving-image medium, not a comic. It's an adaptation—and not a slavish Sin City-style one (which simply wouldn't work for Dredd in the way it did for a limited-run series).
@IAMTHESYSTEM gets it right, in that they'll probably give us a simplified 'core' version of Dredd, but then they've got, what, 90 minutes? How do you 'do' Dredd in an hour and a half, in a manner that everyone going into that cinema will understand? Serenity showed that even a property with just 13 TV episodes behind it baffled newcomers. Dredd has nearly 35 years of history. Therefore: simplify and appeal to the wide audience, but without compromising too much of what makes the character interesting in the first place. To me, that's not a shoulder eagle—it's the character itself.
Quote from: Garageman on 06 November, 2010, 12:25:48 PMIf anything the X-Men film improved on some very camp costumes. Dredd is baroque, not camp, so a different design angle is needed to enhance but not change it.
Thing is, one man's camp is another man's THEY RUINED EVERYTHING. There were plenty of hugely angry X-Men fans, furious at how Hollywood had 'ruined' the look of their characters. Loads of people were pissed at how 'boring' everything had become, and how it was no longer like a comic. And you know what? They were right. It was a
movie. And the first one was a pretty good movie. It certainly wouldn't have been with the spandex brigade bouncing around the screen.
Of course, Dredd
is different in some ways, but I bet if you put Dredd up on-screen as-is, plenty of people would consider the uniform as ridiculous as the X-Men costumes. If they've gone more riot-cop/paramilitary, that could be fine, if it works within the context of the movie, and as long as they avoid making everything too generic.
I'd agree that the judge's uniforms would look surreal if faithfully adapted for this production, but there is no reason why the essential design isn't utilised and modified to suit the more "Hardcore" and "Gritty" (those words are starting get on my tits already) ideal they have for Dredd.
To me, the judges uniforms are as part of the appeal of the world of Dredd, as are Mega City One, it's habitants and the black comedy that runs through the stories. Can you really radically change a part of this and pass it off as a Judge Dredd film?
I'll admit that I liked the design of Stallone's Dredd at the time, and the changes that were made seemed logical within the constraints of the technology available. On reflection (and leaving the dreadful script aside) there was a hell of a missed chance in it's conceptualisation. As a fan I don't want to see this happen again, and I think the characters and world of Dredd deserve more respect.
I think the original design would work if toned down (I.E. Shoulder pad, eagle, colour...) and a radical change from this already well established image would alienate hardcore and new fans to the comic alike. I can't see the point of a re-invention to cater for the general public that doesn't educate the audience to the original source material.
In the end it's not my 45 million being spent, and I hope that when I'm sitting in the cinema with my popcorn, drink and my 3D glasses on I'll be as satisfied with results - only time will tell...
QuoteThing is, one man's camp is another man's THEY RUINED EVERYTHING.
Yes, but I think there is also general consensus, which matters more. It's never black & white and broad audience/fan satisfaction is an ideal that can well be reached. You have to do what basically looks right for the original idea of the character.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
Of course, Dredd is different in some ways, but I bet if you put Dredd up on-screen as-is, plenty of people would consider the uniform as ridiculous as the X-Men costumes. If they've gone more riot-cop/paramilitary, that could be fine, if it works within the context of the movie, and as long as they avoid making everything too generic.
I would never suggest putting Dredd up on-screen as-is, I even think the Minty film uniforms should have been altered more but that was obvioulsy not the intention, but you really don't need to fuck up the original design too much if it doesn't suck in the first place, case in point being the Spider-Man costume wasn't camp or as ridiculous as X-Men in the comics and it translated rather well -better than hoped for really- by concentrating on the texture, colour finish and mould of the costume rather than changing the original design.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 06 November, 2010, 01:27:08 PM...as long as they avoid making everything too generic.
Quite. If they want to make a movie which stands out from the crowd (and one would assume they do) they need to keep the things that make Dredd stand out in the first place. From this perspective it would be better to have a uniform as faithful as possible to the original and have some people think it looks ridiculous, than to have a version so radically altered it looks like every other futurisic military/cop getup you have ever seen.
Personally I think a lot of fans (possibly including the film-makers) are far too worried about non-fans thinking the uniform looks ridiculous. As has been pointed out, the Sylvester Stallone version of the uniform was pretty faithful in its essentials (and due to the gold codpiece, arguably slightly
more ridiculous than the comic book version), yet I have heard and read dozens if not hundreds of critical opinions and reviews of it over the years and I can't think of any which included "ridiculous uniform" as a core criticism. In fact many commented that the uniform looked cool, even among non-Dredd fans.
The problem with the Judge Dredd `95 was not the look of the uniform, or indeed the look of the movie in general. It was pretty much
everything else... and I'd hope that the makers of the current version would have learned the appropriate lessons from that.
Originally the Minty costumes were going to go a more realistic route, but it was decided pretty much to go as close as possible to the comic version.
Sure there are areas which could be tweaked, given more money (or any money).
It would have been nice to have had some detailing on the leathers for example.
Well untill i see a pic i'm going to reign my excitement in,the fact that both JW(too paramilitary looking) and the design company who have seen it were less than impressed(''needs some work''being one one quote),im just going to assume the worst then i won't be dissapointed.I'm sure it will be fine as a future cop action film.I just can't shake the feeling that they don't have enough faith. And i know i winge but its only coz i care :)
Still there on day one though,just hope its not Phantom Menace all over again.
Phantom Menace taught me the futility of hope
Yeah,once burned n all that.
I wouldn't be against Dredd wearing something similar to what Solid Snake wears.
http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig06/10062846a.jpg
...the elbow and knee pads could be easily incoporated into it.
I could see Fargo and all the first Judges wearing somthing like that in a flashback,that would be cool.
Check out the shoulder pads on this Chinese riot cop
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/chinese-riot-police.jpg)
Peruvian riot cop
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/peruvian-antiriot.jpg)
needs more colour.
Or for that matter:
(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/progs/original/1529.jpg)
Add the more modern helmet/badge/gun and job done.
I can see that happening,the only real colour on the helmet.
superman batman spiderman,the hulk dare divel,they alldone in movies the comic version,but because its not a YANKEE comic lets change it jmop
Quote from: judge macbrayne on 06 November, 2010, 08:22:55 PM
superman batman spiderman,the hulk dare divel,they alldone in movies the comic version,but because its not a YANKEE comic lets change it jmop
It all depends specifically what you mean by this. If you're talking as far as the characters' visual look, Batman and Daredevil looked quite different from their comicbook counterparts. In the comics, Batman doesn't wear body armor and Daredevil doesn't wear leather.
Daredevil was an improvement on the costume.
I think a happy medium of subtle tweaking of the uniform needs to be considered only for practicality (movement reasons) and the core dredd (judge) uniform needs to remain the same.
It needs to hold style and reflect the key areas of that uniform, (Badge, Eagle Pad, Helmet, Shoulder pad right and possibly the belt with eagle motif) these imho are iconic on Dredd, the same as Batman has his pointy bat ears, cape and belt, the same in that spidey has his large oval eyes and webbed over his red spandex number and the Hulk has his ripped purple shorts (I could go on).
Branding is important doesent matter so much how large these "icons" are on Dredd nor if he has baseplate armour or black gloves and black boots, but this is what we recognise Dredd to be and whatever way you remodel him without these it wont be Dredd.
Someone (apologies I sped read these last few pages) mentioned that for what its worth the '95 Dredd uniform had these iconic symbols and thats true he did (minus the obvious crotch catastrophe) and we recognised him as Dredd.
It would be a total shame in fact a crying shame if all the 40 years or so as we have seen Dredd envisaged are put aside just for profit and to appease an audience who doesent really know the real Dredd.
If the story pans out right Karl portrays him as he knows he should be portrayed then then whats stopping them with keeping the Uniform as is ?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 November, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
I could see Fargo and all the first Judges wearing somthing like that in a flashback,that would be cool.
Check out the shoulder pads on this Chinese riot cop
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/chinese-riot-police.jpg)
Peruvian riot cop
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/peruvian-antiriot.jpg)
needs more colour.
We dont want JD to look like he is a member of the Goon squad or a toy soldier.
Totally agree,its not hard...
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/minty.jpg)
That's all well and good, but don't hang me for saying this, I actually think the costume would be improved if they added some body armor elements or made him actually look like he can survive on chaotic streets rather than just a cosplayer at a comics convention or a Power Ranger. Let's be honest, as an actual uniform for a law enforcement officer, the comic outfit is rather silly. As long as they don't just take a riot police outfit spray-painted black and give it a half-assed badge, let's be open-minded.
Quote from: Satnav on 06 November, 2010, 09:54:45 PM
That's all well and good, but don't hang me for saying this, I actually think the costume would be improved if they added some body armor elements or made him actually look like he can survive on chaotic streets rather than just a cosplayer at a comics convention or a Power Ranger. Let's be honest, as an actual uniform for a law enforcement officer, the comic outfit is rather silly. As long as they don't just take a riot police outfit spray-painted black and give it a half-assed badge, let's be open-minded.
It's the future, so it's not hard to posit that body armour may not look or be as clunky than it is in the present with advancing tech etc. The fabric of the basic unform could theoretically be indestructible to most gunfire; it's also a uniform that's intended to be worn all day/everyday so it wouldn't be practical with massive amounts of uncomfortable gear. These things can easily be related in the film, if even needed.
I don't know; seeing a guy in fabric take bullets may stretch the suspension of disbelief for audiences (when has Judge uniform demonstrated resistance to bullets in the comic anyhow?). I'm pretty sure that giving him something akin to a lightweight bullet proof vest would be an okay compromise (best to have another layer even if you do have hi-tec kevlar fabric or whatever). After all, surely there's not much wrong with evolving the costume for transistion into a new media? At the end of the day, it may indeed look cooler and more practical for your average Joe Schmoe, whereas we may look like whiny ungrateful fanboys screeching about how 'it's not Dredd!'
Quote from: Satnav on 06 November, 2010, 10:08:54 PM(when has Judge uniform demonstrated resistance to bullets in the comic anyhow?)
I thought we weren't supposed to be acting like fanboy sticklers?
It's all in how the texture of the uniform looks on-screen, it doesn't need to look hugely padded, just layered. People will suspend their disbelief quite easily when something is demonstrated quite well in a dramatic context. I mean it's no more a stretch than expecting them to believe that a gun will fire six different types of advanced ammo or that America is really a police state.
I agree that a literal translation of the comic uniform wouldn't work. I just think it could easily be adapted to film whilst retaining all of the basic, iconic design elements. I just worry that we'll end up with an overly conservative, toned down version in an attempt for it to be taken seriously.
Quote from: Satnav on 06 November, 2010, 10:08:54 PM
I don't know; seeing a guy in fabric take bullets may stretch the suspension of disbelief for audiences (when has Judge uniform demonstrated resistance to bullets in the comic anyhow?). I'm pretty sure that giving him something akin to a lightweight bullet proof vest would be an okay compromise (best to have another layer even if you do have hi-tec kevlar fabric or whatever). After all, surely there's not much wrong with evolving the costume for transistion into a new media? At the end of the day, it may indeed look cooler and more practical for your average Joe Schmoe, whereas we may look like whiny ungrateful fanboys screeching about how 'it's not Dredd!'
I'm not sure that we'll see too much body armour. There follows a big script spoiler - [spoiler]there's a scene where Dredd is shot in the abdomen, through his uniform. He then self-medicates with a kind of spray-foam which fills the wound and expands inside it. The script implies that his uniform is quite light-weight.[/spoiler]
Bit of subtle armour built in under the leathers,job done.
I seem to remember maybe from one of the old annuals that the Judge body suit was made up of some futuristic Kevlar based material. I always assumed that was the case anyway.
I have no real problem with them translating the suit to have armour padding here and there, I think that would look good. They could even attempt to change the colour of the shoulder pads with maybe the odd hint of gold here and there. Just a long as they don't completely scrap the overall look by removing the eagle. There is a danger Dredd will end up just looking like a riot cop if that happens.
BTW, just curious, to anyone who's read the script, is there ever a hint of Dredd's visor having a HUD?
[spoiler]Not that I can remember but if they add that it could come down to the directors stylistic choice.[/spoiler] I know there's something like that in some of the Judge Dredd comic episodes
Does it have the respirator,always thought they were cool.
[spoiler]Yes it has a scene with the respirator.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]But there's no telling what they'll keep or add in later drafts of the script -[/spoiler] I assume the Peach Trees script was genuine but I can bet there are some later drafts out there that weren't leaked.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 November, 2010, 11:21:13 PM
Does it have the respirator,always thought they were cool.
[spoiler]Yes but the respirators are taken from their belts, not helmets.[/spoiler]
Aww that ruins the look of them
Quote from: Lee Bates on 06 November, 2010, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 November, 2010, 11:21:13 PM
Does it have the respirator,always thought they were cool.
[spoiler]Yes but the respirators are taken from their belts, not helmets.[/spoiler]
Spoiler[spoiler]Yeah I remember that happening in one scene because Anderson doesn't have a helmet. Its been a while since I read the script but I think in another scene Dredd Pulls it down from his helmet. That's why I think these little details must've been ironed out in later drafts.[/spoiler]
I think they should've accidently leaked a few extra morsels around the time Jock's stuff was floating around, but I suppose it's a bit late for that now. Hopefully the end result is recognisably Dredd but comments from Wagner and the VFX team leave me thinking it's 50/50.
I also think people are a bit tired of the X-Men/GI Joe method of just dressing everyone in black, assuming the audience will think it's "cool" and much better than the lame original.
Plus, if they get the story right I think there should be an allowance for a slight kookiness to the uniform.
I'm hopeful that they'll get a lot more right than the '95 version though, overall.
Quote from: SAJse on 07 November, 2010, 01:24:10 AM
I also think people are a bit tired of the X-Men/GI Joe method of just dressing everyone in black, assuming the audience will think it's "cool" and much better than the lame original.
Plus, if they get the story right I think there should be an allowance for a slight kookiness to the uniform.
Exactly.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 06 November, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
I could see Fargo and all the first Judges wearing somthing like that in a flashback,that would be cool.
Check out the shoulder pads on this Chinese riot cop
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/chinese-riot-police.jpg)
Paint them Shoulder pads Gold and were half way there. :lol:
When all's said and done it is an adaptation of a comic strip - I don't think having the uniforms in the Trek reboot being close to a gaudy 60s TV version harmed it all.
I am getting a little bored of the Batman 'realism' angle, it was fresh a few years ago, but now I think there's a danger it will become a millstone around any designers' neck.
Dan suggested that it would be nice to at least have a nod to the comic to have something closer to the comic version as a dress uniform, rather than a street judge uniform, e.g. graduations, ceremonial function etc.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_01/robocop0904_468x591.jpg)
As I put up before.
Smart cloth already (reportedly) in research/development. So by Dredd era who knows?
V
Plus his gun fires different ammo like a lawgiver.
I have to say my main concern is they are trying to "unsilly" Dredd. The problem with that is, once you start unravelling anyting that your average joe might find faintly ridiculous, you end up with nothing.
They joy of Dredd is that it is very happy in its ability to do silly and serious simultaneously. If you start unbalancing it by denying the more exotic and bizzare aspects, then you may as well start from scratch and save yourself the cost of the licence.
Still, we've not seen anything yet, but the filed down script and the apparently filed down uniform arent filling me with confidence. I can see they'd want to distance themselves from the Stallone film, but it was the things they added to the uniform that made it more ridiculous (codpiece and all) and it was an overly serious plot that sunk that one too, even more so that Rob Schneider(incredibly!)
I'm all for a more modernised look- reflecting new material technology etc, but I recon the silhouette should still be recognisable as Judge Dredd.
And it better look as 'hard as f'ing nails'.
I don't really care if the uniform's different. As long as the helmet is something similar and he looks out of scary black slits.
Though if it's bermuda shorts, slippers and a woolly jumper I won't be too happy.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 07 November, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
Though if it's bermuda shorts, slippers and a woolly jumper I won't be too happy.
:lol:
Thing with Dredd is, to me it is very much America from an English perspective. Dredd as we know it would never have emerged in a US comic. It's a piss take in a way! I mean look at it... the uniform! Gold Eagles, shoulder, elbow and knee pads. The stars and stripes thing. To make it palatable to US filmgoers, I fear we'll see less of this, and more of the padded out riot cop/meat head look.
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 07 November, 2010, 12:08:01 PM
I have to say my main concern is they are trying to "unsilly" Dredd. The problem with that is, once you start unravelling anyting that your average joe might find faintly ridiculous, you end up with nothing.
They joy of Dredd is that it is very happy in its ability to do silly and serious simultaneously. If you start unbalancing it by denying the more exotic and bizzare aspects, then you may as well start from scratch and save yourself the cost of the licence.
Still, we've not seen anything yet, but the filed down script and the apparently filed down uniform arent filling me with confidence. I can see they'd want to distance themselves from the Stallone film, but it was the things they added to the uniform that made it more ridiculous (codpiece and all) and it was an overly serious plot that sunk that one too, even more so that Rob Schneider(incredibly!)
The danger of keeping the uniform too slavish to the comic is that it could appear "camp" on screen and that would be the worst possible outcome.
The film and comic mediums are two completely seperate entities-what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.
Part of the problem with the 95 movie was its execution, not necessarily it's storyline.
On the subject of the uniform, the overiding problem with the 95' costume was that it was difficult to accept that a pair of black leotards could stop a gunshot, perilously desending the film into camp-not that Stallone wore the full uniform in the movie much anyway.
There must be a way in the new film to keep the iconic imagery of the comic while making the uniform look practical in combat.
Nicely tailored and adapted biker leathers, while reducing the size of the eagle and shoulder pad armour and keeping the iconic Dredd helmet would be a perfectly acceptable concession.
The problem with the 95 costume was that it wanted it both ways, adding protection like the codpiece and the harness/body armour, but replacing the leather with lycra, and blinging it up even more.
The new one has got to have some of the iconography of Dredd, and look like it was designed by Justice Department, rather than just be something off-the-shelf with a helmet stuck on top, otherwise what's the point?
I think people worry too much about camp - my take on it is, if the world they create is wilder, and the judges are all wearing the same uniform - then no-one bats an eyelid.
Making it real-world is fine, the danger is hacking off all the bits of Dredd that make it Dredd.
And honestly, I think the camp costume card is weak, it didn't seem to harm Kick-Ass that they were running around in ridiculous costumes.
Quote from: minus on 07 November, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 07 November, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
Though if it's bermuda shorts, slippers and a woolly jumper I won't be too happy.
:lol:
Thing with Dredd is, to me it is very much America from an English perspective. Dredd as we know it would never have emerged in a US comic. It's a piss take in a way! I mean look at it... the uniform! Gold Eagles, shoulder, elbow and knee pads. The stars and stripes thing. To make it palatable to US filmgoers, I fear we'll see less of this, and more of the padded out riot cop/meat head look.
*cough* Captain America *cough*
''my take on it is, if the world they create is wilder
very good point,Dredds uniform could look drab compared to the rest of Meg1 with all itsa crazyness.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 November, 2010, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: minus on 07 November, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 07 November, 2010, 01:30:27 PM
Though if it's bermuda shorts, slippers and a woolly jumper I won't be too happy.
:lol:
Thing with Dredd is, to me it is very much America from an English perspective. Dredd as we know it would never have emerged in a US comic. It's a piss take in a way! I mean look at it... the uniform! Gold Eagles, shoulder, elbow and knee pads. The stars and stripes thing. To make it palatable to US filmgoers, I fear we'll see less of this, and more of the padded out riot cop/meat head look.
*cough* Captain America *cough*
...GULP! :-[ :lol: Forgot all about him! A distant relative of Dredd perhaps.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 November, 2010, 01:59:35 PM
The problem with the 95 costume was that it wanted it both ways, adding protection like the codpiece and the harness/body armour, but replacing the leather with lycra, and blinging it up even more.
The new one has got to have some of the iconography of Dredd, and look like it was designed by Justice Department, rather than just be something off-the-shelf with a helmet stuck on top, otherwise what's the point?
I think people worry too much about camp - my take on it is, if the world they create is wilder, and the judges are all wearing the same uniform - then no-one bats an eyelid.
Making it real-world is fine, the danger is hacking off all the bits of Dredd that make it Dredd.
And honestly, I think the camp costume card is weak, it didn't seem to harm Kick-Ass that they were running around in ridiculous costumes.
Kick-Ass is a totally different film. For starters it was set in a world recognisable with that of todays and was more of a parody of a super-hero origin story.
Totally different from Dredd's futuristic setting and the seemingly serious approach the film makers are taking.
I'd still rather have a Batman Dark Knight style movie than Flash Gordon 2!
Each to their own though.
QuoteI'd still rather have a Batman Dark Knight style movie than Flash Gordon 2
i hear ya. After all, Kick-Ass himself was wearing a scuba-diving suit, and the only grown adult vigilante was in a very uncamp Dark-Knight body-armour job.
And, well, Judges aren't superheroes.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 07 November, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
QuoteI'd still rather have a Batman Dark Knight style movie than Flash Gordon 2
i hear ya. After all, Kick-Ass himself was wearing a scuba-diving suit, and the only grown adult vigilante was in a very uncamp Dark-Knight body-armour job.
And, well, Judges aren't superheroes.
That's exactly the point I was going to add Jayzus.
Dredd isn't a super-hero by any stretch of the imagination-he shares his DNA with 70's cops like dirty Harry not with the spandex brigade of Superman, Spiderman ect.
In cinematic terms his more of a "Terminator" with a moral code.
And that's the tone to aim for in my opinion.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 November, 2010, 01:59:35 PM
The problem with the 95 costume was that it wanted it both ways, adding protection like the codpiece and the harness/body armour, but replacing the leather with lycra, and blinging it up even more.
The new one has got to have some of the iconography of Dredd, and look like it was designed by Justice Department, rather than just be something off-the-shelf with a helmet stuck on top, otherwise what's the point?
I think people worry too much about camp - my take on it is, if the world they create is wilder, and the judges are all wearing the same uniform - then no-one bats an eyelid.
Making it real-world is fine, the danger is hacking off all the bits of Dredd that make it Dredd.
And honestly, I think the camp costume card is weak, it didn't seem to harm Kick-Ass that they were running around in ridiculous costumes.
I am with you on this.
I never thought of JD as looking camp and the material the uniform is made of is a futuristic stretch Kevlar type thing which makes it plausable.
The problem is trying to make aspects of the film more believable and plausable by relating it to what we know in the present while forgetting its the future where anything goes.
If someone told you twenty years ago that you would be posting comments on an online forum in the future you might have thought that to be ridiculous which proves my point.
Quirky, big shoulder pads, biker, tough, but camp?
(http://www.madmaxmovies.com/making/madmax2/images/MundiMundi/WezFaceoff.jpg)
Judge Oz.
Funny, I was going to mention Mad Max 2.
The danger of designing it too straight, is you can miss out on great character designs.
Anyway this is going round in circles - I'm done with this thread until we see the fucking thing.
It's been said before, but the Minty-crew has already translated the comic into real-life and have made it work! Brilliant fan-made stuff! Imagine what could be done with the same budget as the new movie!
(http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/Judge_Aberg/?action-view¤t=Document-82.jpg)
Haven't these bozo's been in-touch with the 'Minty' team on costume development aspects of the film? It'd save them a shit load $$$$ on production design costs.
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:lol:
Thing with Dredd is, to me it is very much America from an English perspective. Dredd as we know it would never have emerged in a US comic. It's a piss take in a way! I mean look at it... the uniform! Gold Eagles, shoulder, elbow and knee pads. The stars and stripes thing. To make it palatable to US filmgoers, I fear we'll see less of this, and more of the padded out riot cop/meat head look.
Yeah, US comics go in for a far more realistic comic book look. Like tights, and red underpants, and dressing like a bat.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 November, 2010, 01:42:54 PM
The danger of keeping the uniform too slavish to the comic is that it could appear "camp" on screen and that would be the worst possible outcome.
The film and comic mediums are two completely seperate entities-what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.
Part of the problem with the 95 movie was its execution, not necessarily it's storyline.
On the subject of the uniform, the overiding problem with the 95' costume was that it was difficult to accept that a pair of black leotards could stop a gunshot, perilously desending the film into camp-not that Stallone wore the full uniform in the movie much anyway.
Well exactly, the changes in the film made it much more camp than the actual comic book, but the costume isnt really what most peolpe wou8ld bring up when criticising that film. For years we were told that you couldnt translate a comic book costume straight out or you would get 70s Spiderman film level execution - turns out, you can do a proper adaptation of something that "only works in" comic books so long as you do it with an eye for catching what is good about the costume in the first place. The Judge Minty costumes show that an almost literal adaptation of the costume isnt that camp. It might not be exactly what you'd want for your blockbuster, but its not a bad starting point. And if you are going to avoid accusations of camp or odd, yet are trying to adapt Dredd, you are frankly, for my money, doing something wrong!
Pub quiz time, . . . I've totally blanked on remembering this and need to know what Dredds riot stick is called?
Day stick?
Thanks, . . . if I win said quiz I owe you a pint.
Quote from: dracula1 on 07 November, 2010, 06:58:01 PM
Haven't these bozo's been in-touch with the 'Minty' team on costume development aspects of the film? It'd save them a shit load $$$$ on production design costs.
Maybe ;-)
For me, camp occurs when you you have a gap between the seriousness of the production in terms of script and acting, against the inherent siliness of what we are actually seeing.
If you take a classic example of successful "camp" TV, the 60s Batman, they pull off the exceptional trick of allowing you to know that they aent in the least bit serious, while all the time playing it straight. I think its this that distinguishes good from bad - Flash Gordon from Star Crash for example.
If you clue your audience in to the idea that anything they are witnessing is intentional, no matter how odd, and the makers are just as aware as you are of how out there this is, you can avoid bad camp.
The problem with the Stallone film for me is thats its played too serious, whilst being inherently ludicrous in many ways. They seem to be aware of this and try and pour the "ointment" of Schneider into the gap - he is an attempt by the film makers to show that they arent really being serious either, but it fails miserably by just drawing attention to the gap rather than smoothing it.
I think its this confidence in what you are doing, be it serious or silly - so long as the audience feel they trust you have made these choices, and not ahd them made for you by general incompetence, then you can bring them along with you. I think its that inherent confidence to do all kind of wild things that makes Dredd such a brilliant, long running and interesting strip. I think signs of a lack of confidence in that may show on screen and leave you with an undercooked, and therefore potentially more camp product.
Quote from: Leigh Shepherd on 07 November, 2010, 07:27:07 PM
Day stick?
Speaking of this, I've often though the day-stick should be telescopic, it being a future setting and all. Also makes it more portable when it's not being used.
Course that would mean a large part of it would be hollow but with a weighted end it would work. Truncheons like that actually exist nowadays, although I was thinking more of an electrical thing which slides out at a touch of a button.
I actually remember seeing something like that in one of the earlier
Tour of Duty stories. He pulled a metal thing out of nowhere to fight a giant mutie spider. (I remember at the time wondering if it was some kind of pipe, but he weren't wasn't in any ruins just a great big cave type thing.) I don't know if it was telescopic for real but it looked like it was made up of sections.
It's the only time I've seen that though. Most of the time his daystick just looks like an larger version of a bobby's truncheon, although some artists go the side handle US truncheon route.
I think the telescopic route could be interesting for the film though. It would look visually interesting (okay gimicky but in a good way) and wouldn't really contradict the comics either as, despite appearances, we don't know it
can't do that. In the same way we don't know the Judges' armour isn't bullet proof. Sure it doesn't stop many bullets, but the criminals could be using armour piercing rounds to compensate. (Yeah I'm not sure I by that either. I'm just saying there's room to manoeuvre. )
As for comments on the shoulder eagle, that really doesn't bother me much for the film. As long as they retain the eagle on the badge and the belt, I think that would be enough as others have said. I usually prefer a bit more symmetry in costumes(in the comic I mean, I'm not just referring to Minty's version, which looks pretty much the same anyway) although it has grown on me over time.
That Judge Minty get-up does look pretty good though. Just slim down the shoulder pad stuff, and maybe make the elbow and knee pads a part of the uniform rather than added strap on things. That'd work and fit well with the comic.
Looks like all this is boiling down to the films limited budget. Designing Dredds costume as is and to the letter equals alot of dosh in the eyes of the film makers. Dropping in a real world equivalent equates to less expense.
The telescopic baton or "Asp" (which is the tradename is in use today in most UK Police Forces.
(http://www.copquest.com/21-1000-head.jpg)
Nice modern day riot gear, but I still like Dredds Day stick better (it has greater visual presence and skull cracking potential).
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 07 November, 2010, 08:27:53 PM
The telescopic baton or "Asp" (which is the tradename is in use today in most UK Police Forces.
(http://www.copquest.com/21-1000-head.jpg)
That's interesting!
I did hear they were going for something like this a while back although I thought it would have the side handle. (Thinking the design through I can see why it wouldn't. Not without a big groove along one side which might compromise it's structural integrity.)
I didn't realise the slide out part went
that thin! Thinking about it, with that level of compaction, it makes sense though, unless the business end is even bigger (the option I'd take with the day-stick).
And apologies for the glaring spelling errors in my previous post. I noticed I spelt 'buy' 'by'. How embarrassing.
Quote from: JudgeGumpty on 07 November, 2010, 08:27:53 PM
The telescopic baton or "Asp" (which is the tradename is in use today in most UK Police Forces.
(http://www.copquest.com/21-1000-head.jpg)
I had one of these years ago but i dont know what happened to it.It didnt have the mechanism in the handle.
Quote from: dracula1 on 07 November, 2010, 08:26:18 PM
Looks like all this is boiling down to the films limited budget. Designing Dredds costume as is and to the letter equals alot of dosh in the eyes of the film makers. Dropping in a real world equivalent equates to less expense.
What? Are you trying to imply that "scrimping" on a few eagle shoulder pads will allow the budget to go further?
Because - and I don't feel this is overstating the case - if you *are* implying that, you're mental
Quote from: brendan1 on 07 November, 2010, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 07 November, 2010, 08:26:18 PM
Looks like all this is boiling down to the films limited budget. Designing Dredds costume as is and to the letter equals alot of dosh in the eyes of the film makers. Dropping in a real world equivalent equates to less expense.
What? Are you trying to imply that "scrimping" on a few eagle shoulder pads will allow the budget to go further?
Because - and I don't feel this is overstating the case - if you *are* implying that, you're mental
Budget wise the costume design is a minor issue in comparison to the effects budget production/set design etc. Its just something that the film makers have to get right.
I'm sure they will get it right in the end.
and getting it right takes time which means a lot of money.
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Quote from: dracula1 on 07 November, 2010, 08:26:18 PM
Looks like all this is boiling down to the films limited budget. Designing Dredds costume as is and to the letter equals alot of dosh in the eyes of the film makers. Dropping in a real world equivalent equates to less expense.
What? Are you trying to imply that "scrimping" on a few eagle shoulder pads will allow the budget to go further?
Because - and I don't feel this is overstating the case - if you *are* implying that, you're mental
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They should have budgeted for it and i always think that you shouldnt do things you cant afford where you have to cut corners if it compromises the end product.
Lots of things in this film will cost "a lot of dosh" but why dont the filmakers make all the sets out of cardboard to cut costs and oh whatever.....
I feel just like @Steve Green above but i keep coming back as i cant help myself but if i keep coming back to this thread i am going to be totally sick and tired of the film before its even in the cinema.
Those telescopic batons lightweight durable and very easy to use, added bonus is that they are very effective.
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I won't be posting much till either Concept Art gets leaked or we finally see a set photo. Bye! :wave:
Not a single design image has been shown of this film so why are we even debating this? It's too late either way so let's not beat ourselves up over it. We have no say. I'm sure they've budgeted properly for the uniform, they're not amateurs. Adopting a cynical stance won't change anything.
Thats a good point Garageman. I guess at the end of the day its everyones passion for this to work out for the best.
Quote from: Garageman on 07 November, 2010, 10:33:43 PM
Not a single design image has been shown of this film so why are we even debating this? It's too late either way so let's not beat ourselves up over it. We have no say. I'm sure they've budgeted properly for the uniform, they're not amateurs. Adopting a cynical stance won't change anything.
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Well said. It's often the way with film adaptations of comics that fans expect the worst, then look for the worst when it happens to match their expectations. Bring it on, i say - personally, I can't wait
Gosh, if only Dredd was being produced with a production company that had previously done some great production design in films like 28 Days Layer and Sunshine.
Hey, WAIT A MINUTE!
Thought I'd show this modified Judge Uniform from the Stallone flick
Notice the missing (and bulgy) :o Codpiece!
And the added zipper. :thumbsup:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/Solasau/Judge%20Dredd/judgeoutfitfront.jpg)(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/BlueDjinn/dreddssjpg.jpg)
If we saw something like the modified uniform I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Thats a zip n half
Grud!!! help us if Urban gets suited up to look like either of them! :o
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 09 November, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/Solasau/Judge%20Dredd/judgeoutfitfront.jpg)[
A Judge is liable to castrate himself with that zip.
It still looks like a Power Ranger either way.
Filming tommorrow so say the effects shop :o
Possible (costume) reveal in the next few months then? :P
Hopes,somebody will snap a judge having a fag outside at brew time
Quote from: Garageman on 09 November, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 09 November, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/Solasau/Judge%20Dredd/judgeoutfitfront.jpg)[
A Judge is liable to castrate himself with that zip.
It still looks like a Power Ranger either way.
I think that's why the zipper ends at the waist. :lol:
Oh, and some Power Rangers for comparison.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/maab90/f97d21c7.jpg)
Quote from: dracula1 on 10 November, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
Possible (costume) reveal in the next few months then? :P
Maybe sooner? :thumbsup:
If I say I prefer Dredd with a codpiece, does that make me a bad person?
Quote from: davethomson on 10 November, 2010, 10:26:43 PM
If I say I prefer Dredd with a codpiece, does that make me a bad person?
Nope. Just a kinky drokker. ;)
I actually don't mind that uniform (without the codpiece) but that zip is a bit much for my taste. Not it's existence just the size.
As for the helmet... actually probably more practical than the comic version but that crosspiece over the nose certainly give it more character. I'm not keen on the stars on the respirator badge thing either. Really not a bad adaptation of the comics uniform though.
I know which one I prefer. And it sure as hell ain't the blue one.
(http://www.termight.co.uk/images/helmets1.jpg)
(http://www.2000ad.nu/termight/props/sdhelmet.jpg)
V
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 09 November, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
Thought I'd show this modified Judge Uniform from the Stallone flick
Notice the missing (and bulgy) :o Codpiece!
And the added zipper. :thumbsup:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/Solasau/Judge%20Dredd/judgeoutfitfront.jpg)(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/BlueDjinn/dreddssjpg.jpg)
If we saw something like the modified uniform I wouldn't have a problem with it.
With or without the silly codpiece i always thought it looked cheap and plasticy/Tacky.The material it was made from looked wrong as well as it looked like nylon or Dralon.
To much gold,always thought the 'yellow' was more a kevlar armour type substance than straight up metal. And the yellow was a sorta hi vis yellow,not a garish as the ones our bobbys wear but yellow for the same purpose,to stand out.
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/Police-stop-G20-protester-001.jpg)
Production begins as the first footage for Dredd is shot today, according to Altered States VFX. Cast members probably aren't involved.
And remember, if you need corporate travel management for a big film project, then go with ET Travel (http://news.ettravel.co.uk/2010/11/et-travel-appointed-travel-management-company-on-film-%E2%80%98dredd%E2%80%99/)!
Agreed Mr. Wolf, the whole Stallone outfit looks like its was purchased from Toys R us. It lacks weight, much to light looking for an Judge Ug! squad charge on protesting Meg City Students.
yeh, if the undersuit was made in a stretchy, matt finish leather-look, weathered up loads and not used vac plated gold, it would have worked 100% better.
Quote from: Mardroid on 10 November, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: davethomson on 10 November, 2010, 10:26:43 PM
If I say I prefer Dredd with a codpiece, does that make me a bad person?
Nope. Just a kinky drokker. ;)
Curses! I had my suspicions but that has settled it. Time for me to stock up on leathers. :lol:
Seriously though, I think the codpiece makes a bit of sense. After all Dredd is keeping order in a violent and well armed society and doing it in less armour than a nightclub bouncer, the least he can do is protect his plums.
What if a smart perp decides it's time to hit him in his weak spot for
MASSIVE DAMAGE!
Quote from: davethomson on 11 November, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 10 November, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: davethomson on 10 November, 2010, 10:26:43 PM
If I say I prefer Dredd with a codpiece, does that make me a bad person?
Nope. Just a kinky drokker. ;)
Curses! I had my suspicions but that has settled it. Time for me to stock up on leathers. :lol:
Seriously though, I think the codpiece makes a bit of sense. After all Dredd is keeping order in a violent and well armed society and doing it in less armour than a nightclub bouncer, the least he can do is protect his plums.
What if a smart perp decides it's time to hit him in his weak spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE!
Reality wise it could kill you quite easily
Plum protection is essential, . . . guessing codpiece is built in under the leathers (much like ur 'box' used in rugby and cricket). How a Judge would pee with all that clobber on is beyond me!
Quote from: dracula1 on 11 November, 2010, 01:37:26 PM
Plum protection is essential, . . . guessing codpiece is built in under the leathers (much like ur 'box' used in rugby and cricket). How a Judge would pee with all that clobber on is beyond me!
Tube down the leg, into the boots. Stallone did not have the really thick heels and soles just to make him look taller, you know! Cleary there is some kind of 'holding tank' down there. :lol:
Once going down said tube maybe it just ejects out through a hatch in the heel of the judges boot (like the toilet setup on your economy class airplanes, . . . or is that an urban myth)?
Quote from: dracula1 on 11 November, 2010, 02:32:51 PM
Once going down said tube maybe it just ejects out through a hatch in the heel of the judges boot (like the toilet setup on your economy class airplanes, . . . or is that an urban myth)?
nah it drains into the foot pedal of the Lawmaster and is recycled into drinking water.
Now thats going green and recycling for sure!!!! :D
This discussion inevitably comes back to the 'codpiece'! It's been mentioned now 52 times in this topic :lol:! It's clearly one of the most hotly debated issues surrounding Dredd'ds uniform. Even 'lawgiver' only gets a mention 24 times, and 'lawmaster', 27. That's more than the other two put together! :o Let's hope they don't disappoint us all in the codpiece department! :lol:
Its all getting a bit 'cameo'! Those of you who were not fortunate enough to live their youth through the 80's will not understand this reference.
Quote from: dracula1 on 11 November, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
Its all getting a bit 'cameo'! Those of you who were not fortunate enough to live their youth through the 80's will not understand this reference.
Word up.
To explain my 'Cameo' reference earlier see attached pictures of the 80's pop sensations plus giant cod piece! Word Up! to the kings of cod!
Thanks Ratty. 'For all of the ladies around the world' . . . .etc (find rest of said lyrics in Smash hits magazine).
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MTxmQmQ6nNM/SOzT52DgINI/AAAAAAAAA7c/uH2Vyx86knQ/s400/clockwork_orange_costume.jpg)
Welly, welly, well.... Viddy well, little brothers. Viddy well.
My favourite codpiece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpzeAc_7I0
Possibly not suitable for work and definately not suitable for Dredd.
Thats a right horror show of cod's on display there Minus. I hope the DREDD films gangland baddies are as hard as them lot!
Cameo! Yes! Thank you, Dracula1 - I've been trying to remember that band's name for so long now I actually forget the reason!
-- Mike
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 11 November, 2010, 04:42:43 PM
Cameo! Yes! I've been trying to remember that band's name for so long now I actually forget the reason!
-- Mike
The codpiece.
Kids make Judge Dredd film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGkj_odYc5Y
Quote from: CraveNoir on 11 November, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Kids make Judge Dredd film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGkj_odYc5Y
Heh. I could hardly hear what they were saying a lot of the time.
He took the helmet off,not again :o
mean was ace
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Methinks something went a tad wrong there.
Just found this,i don't think its to do with the film ,could be i guess but i don't think so ? gives an idea of what a more practical uniform would look like.not that bad.
http://www.barrysheridan.com/#
if its years old sorry,never seen it before
scroll down halfway.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 November, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Just found this,its nothing to do with the film i don't think but gives an idea of what a more practical ubiform would look like.not that bad.
http://www.barrysheridan.com/#
scroll down halfway.
Looks shit to me. A riot cop with a half arsed Judges helmet on.
I'm trying to get myself used to the idea thats the route they are taking before the film comes out.not ideal mind.
Yeah, the helmet really clashes with the rest of it.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 13 November, 2010, 09:53:12 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 November, 2010, 09:47:41 PM
Just found this,its nothing to do with the film i don't think but gives an idea of what a more practical ubiform would look like.not that bad.
http://www.barrysheridan.com/#
scroll down halfway.
Looks shit to me. A riot cop with a half arsed Judges helmet on.
Awful reinterpretation
I think it looks OK, in a sort of 'another dimension' angle, or a very poor jimp costume.
V
Quote from: LARF on 13 November, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
Awful reinterpretation
Yeah, I don't see why the main uniform shouldn't look pretty much as it does in the comics (not including the shoulder stuff, which can be toned down, I think.) I.e. I see the armour as being part of the uniform rather than padding on the outside, if that makes sense.
Yeah i thought that,like motorbike leathers,mine are padded up to death on the shoulders and elbows.
So any updates?! :-\
Thought they started filming on the 14th?!
Saw this update about Urban playing Batman in a new TV show????
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=19719&count=0
I reckon that rumour is complete bollocks. If Dredd is a success, why would he touch Batman.
Karl Urban is a film actor at the moment so can't see him doing a TV series, They tend to fully take up actors time.
V
Like all actors they have to keep their options open. This TV Batman seems like at least a couple of years in the future so if Judge Dr3dd is a hit Karl Urban will have an interesting choice available to him.
Which would you play? Iconic American vigilante or futuristic, fascist Lawman ?
Batman is Internationally famous where as Judge Dredd enjoys a lower profile though we here on the forums try to champion 2000AD characters as much as possible.
I guess it's the wait and see phase movie news wise. Something will turn up sooner or later, some concept art or even some publicity stills. Only when we can see how Dredd and Dredd's world is going to look will we be able to judge for our selves whether it's stuck close to the comic- or not.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 November, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Saw this update about Urban playing Batman in a new TV show????
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=19719&count=0
I get really tired of this kind of thing by this i mean the constant ongoing rumour mill of who is rumoured to be doing what in entertainment.
The article just says that Warners want Karl Urban to play Batman in a TV series but the article provides no info or source or even a quote to back itself up whatsoever.It tries to present rumour as fact.
I have just found the link [CBM] :rolleyes: but its just a repeat of what i have already read
Rubbish.
Presenting unfounded rumour as fact eh? I can do that; Iggy Pop will be playing Judge Death
Quote from: pops1983 on 17 November, 2010, 12:00:10 AM
Presenting unfounded rumour as fact eh? I can do that; Iggy Pop will be playing Judge Death
Quoted from @ItsReallyReallySoFuckingCool.com :
Our top secret undercover mole informs us that while hiding under the table at a secret unofficial Warner Bros board meeting it was overheard that Warner Bros have held preliminary overnight talks with Iggy Pops "People" as they really "Want" Iggy Pop to play the Joker in the remake/reboot of Batman Begins.They do however realise that this is a sensitive subject due to the ultimely death of Heath Ledger and Warners dont want to tarnish the towering performance of Heath Ledger as the Joker but they expressly expressed that this is an emotional knee jerk reaction and that no one would give a shit about that if Heath Ledger hadnt overdosed in a hotel room.
Our super secret insider mole also informs us that after the success of the Batman franchise Warner Bros knows only too well that there is plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to be made from re-rebooting the reeboot and this indicates that Warner Bros are very serious about rebooting the TV series.
You heard it here first but keep in your mind that this is very very very early early talk but its looking good so far.........
Also Quoted from @ItsReallyReallySoFuckingCool.com :
An exclusive interview with one of the cleaning staff at Skywalker Ranch has revealed that George Lucas 'wants' Iggy Pop to gain 30 stone so that he can digitally mask him over the original puppet of Jabba the Hutt in the upcoming 3D Star Wars remakes.
I've always gotten the impression that actors love doing telly, plenty of pretty big names in cinema take tv work if it's classy enough. If a movie does well it opens the door to more roles, but a successful tv show is the holy grail because then you're in regular paid work for (possibly) years and constantly keeping a public profile. For that reason I could see Urban going for it, I just hope it's not at the expense of more Dredd.
TV shows nowadays are huge and lots feature ex film stars,WestWing,lost,24 all huge,Sean Bean is doing a huge HBO series at the mo(Game of Thrones) thats bigger than Lord of the Rings in scope so owts possible.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 November, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
TV shows nowadays are huge and lots feature ex film stars,WestWing,lost,24 all huge,Sean Bean is doing a huge HBO series at the mo(Game of Thrones) thats bigger than Lord of the Rings in scope so owts possible.
In all fairness, Sean Bean was a TV actor long before he broke into films, but you make a valid point.
QuoteIn all fairness, Sean Bean was a TV actor long before he broke into films, but you make a valid point.
So were George Clooney and Denzil Washington. They both appeared in medical dramas strangely enough.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 November, 2010, 05:44:35 PM
Saw this update about Urban playing Batman in a new TV show????
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=19719&count=0
Its not gonna happen.
Never mind bloody batman!
I can't believe that supposedly Dredd is now a few days into filming yet there are no leaked photos!
Bad Form I say..
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Never mind bloody batman!
I can't believe that supposedly Dredd is now a few days into filming yet there are no leaked photos!
Bad Form I say..
Either bad form or great security and trust among the cast and crew.
V
I'd rather wait an see an official release of images. Patience is a virtue...
But spy shots are devine...and according to the effects company,nobody in South Africa gives a shit about Dredd or films so i doubt we will see anything untill comic-con or whatever :(
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 18 November, 2010, 06:34:52 AM
But spy shots are devine...and according to the effects company,nobody in South Africa gives a shit about Dredd or films so i doubt we will see anything untill comic-con or whatever :(
I hope we will see something official before then, but not as much as I hope no spy pics will leak period. No good at all would come of that.
Such pictures are low resolution, feature the cast out of character, and are by default neither properly lit nor colour timed - meaning that regardless of how good the final movie might look in the end, such pictures will make the movie look like it's going to be crap. If such pics leak prior to the official, properly lit photos which actually represent what the movie will look like are out, the online movie community will judge the movie down the drain based on nothing but the unrepresentative leaked pics.
Case in point, Jason Momoa looks pretty damn good as the new Conan. He'll own the role in a way Schwarzenegger never could, as Arnold was even more miscast as Conan than Stallone ever was as Dredd. Sadly, many have already determined that Momoa has no business being Conan, since he was judged by spy shots where he was smiling and relaxing off camera. Also, the sets and everything look as if they were made for a cheap TV production in those pics, while the finished pictures make it clear that the movie will look stunning.
Still, the movie was judged based on the leaked and highly unrepresentative pics, which generated nothing but negative hype and a persistent beleif that the movie will look like an episode of Xena, when nothing could be further from the truth.
I'd rather wait for the official pictures of Judge Dredd than see the movie hurt by premature pics that can do nothing but harm.
Fingers crossed no spy pics get out.
Quote from: norse_sage on 18 November, 2010, 08:12:52 AM
Case in point, Jason Momoa looks pretty damn good as the new Conan. He'll own the role in a way Schwarzenegger never could, as Arnold was even more miscast as Conan than Stallone ever was as Dredd...while the finished pictures make it clear that the movie will look stunning.
What?!? How is that case in point?
Jason Momoa does NOT look pretty damn good as Conan (let me make it clear that I am not arguing that Arnie was any better, far from it). Norse Sage, I know you're read REH's Conan because I've seen you over on the IMDB Conan forum, so how can you possibly say Momoa looks the part - when he clearly doesn't. The basics of Conan's look are" smoldering blue eyes, square-cut black mane, sun-bronzed skin (much different than Momoa's asiatic brown skin). Sure, he's leaner like Conan should be but that's about it. There's not a photo of his as Conan out there that made me think "huh, he's Conan all right". But then again, if the above is your opinion I suppose I can't argue it. But still...
The biggest problem with his casting as Conan is that he has no presence. Love or hate Arnie in the role, at least he had a larger-than-life presence that drew people to the film. I don't see that here in Momoa.
That's the difference between casting for Conan and casting for Dredd - Dredd's uniform and "facelessness" are his presence. He's not supposed to stand out from all the other judges, he's one of many, but he's just such a bad-ass he becomes reknown. Conan is THE force (or becomes the force) in the Hyborian Age, shapes that world not because of a system but out of sheer will. I just don't think Momoa can pull it off, whereas Urban has his helmet and uniform to help him out.
Discussing Conan's "bronzed skin and smouldering blue eyes" is for another forum altogether.
Quote from: Garageman on 18 November, 2010, 09:00:56 AM
Discussing Conan's "bronzed skin and smouldering blue eyes" is for another forum altogether.
:lol:
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 08:32:46 AM
The biggest problem with his casting as Conan is that he has no presence. Love or hate Arnie in the role, at least he had a larger-than-life presence that drew people to the film. I don't see that here in Momoa.
I'm not sure you can say that with any legitimacy until you have seen the film. Unless you have ? Momoa was pretty wooden in Atlantis but then it could be he wasn't given a lot to work with.
Quote from: Garageman on 18 November, 2010, 09:00:56 AM
Discussing Conan's "bronzed skin and smouldering blue eyes" is for another forum altogether.
Plus it's reminiscent of the whole "Dredd's chin" or "Blond Bond" debates. Getting too hung up on the exact physical attributes a character is supposed to have is a mistake, IMO. It's the ability of an actor to play the role and make it their own that's important - Daniel Craig owned Bond despite being blond, and I believe there's a good chance Urban will do the same for Dredd, chin or no chin.
I speak as a massive fan of both Dredd and 007 BTW... As for Conan, I have all of the stories, just haven't gotten around to reading them all yet (working my way though them between other reading).
Point is, film-makers rarely if ever choose an actor for a particular role based solely (or even primarily) on physical appearance and rightly so. Taking this approach you'd end up with a whole lot of films with characters who are dead ringers for their counterparts in the original source material, but who are horribly miscast in every other possible way.
I remember all manner of nashing teeth across news sites when a blurry (and distant) picture of Heath Ledger as The Joker was leaked during production. The main outcry was that he appeared to have long hair and little or no make-up. As a result I won't be worrying about any leaked pictures of anything from the Dredd movie.
Well, there are a couple of pictures floating about- the first features the studio head overlooking the massive soundstage, upon which are lots of people and some lifeboats that could be tables. And one other that features a piece of stunt work. Since the studio is, as I understand it, opening its doors to film Dredd- these could, technically, be bits and bobs from the movie. But probably not. Anyway, here they are:
SBT
You are wrong about Conan's physical attributes not being important. To REH they were incredibly important so that he described them over and over in detail. REH's Conan was also a very intelligent, cunning and philosophical person - maybe these attributes aren't important either. What I'm saying is, if you're going to go so far away from what REH wrote why not just make up your own character in your own fantasy film?
I'm sure a few of you (ahem) were a bit bothered when Sly took his helmet off.
Momoa a bit wooden in Stargate? You, sir, must be his agent. But keep it up, fellows! I'll quite enjoy going back and forth about Conan all day :D!
Jason Momoa is nobody's first choice for Conan, or the tenth for that matter.
But the fact his Conan will be more cunning and able to speak in whole sentences alone makes him a better fit for the part than Schwarzenegger ever was. Outside of having blue eyes and being massive (probably too much so), Scwharzenegger was completely and utterly miscast in every way that mattered.
But wether or not Momoa is suitable for Conan or not is indeed a discussion for other boards, but the main point I was trying to make was this:
The leaked pictures from the set of Conan did nothing but cause fear, uncertainty and doubt, and for no reason at all - as the finished look will have little in common with those leaked pictures. None of the fears that people got from the pictures appear to have be justified, yet the damage was done. Hype is virtually nil, in no small part because of the leaked pictures. Distributor LGF (uh oh) has done nothing to help matters.
If pictures leak from the set of Judge Dredd, the same will happen - people will go nuts at how bad they look (and they will, pics from the set of a movie such as this that haven't been properly framed and colortimed invariably do), and the movie will hype will suffer for it, for no reason at all.
Hence, I hope no pictures leak. Not worth it.
I'd rather wait however long it takes till we get official, properly lit and framed stills.
Quote from: norse_sage on 18 November, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
Outside of having blue eyes and being massive (probably too much so), Scwharzenegger was completely and utterly miscast in every way that mattered.
I'm going to be a REAL nerd here and correct you: in the movie, Arnie's eyes were brown :D.
Hey, I'm with you, Norse Sage. I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Maybe that way I'll be pleasantly surprised!
Its Momoas curly poodle rock wig that ruin the look,which is a shame because it could be easily fixed,acting talent not so much.
And kudos on the pics,and so it begins :)
And i get that some folks don't like spy pics,fair enough,but i do because it adds to the excitment :),i love the speculation as to whats in the pics, most of the time im wrong but what the hell.What we need is HEAVY SPOILER WARNINGS for the folks that don't want to see anything.
can we stop talking about bloody Conan now please? This is the DREDD thread. For all your Conan movie chat, please go to www.nobodygivesaflyingfuckaboutconan.com. Thanks.
There's nowt wrong with a little naturally occuring thread drift if that's the way the conversation heads.
If nothing else, it keeps the thread active while there is no real news to chew over.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 November, 2010, 05:35:22 PM
can we stop talking about bloody Conan now please? This is the DREDD thread. For all your Conan movie chat, please go to www.nobodygivesaflyingfuckaboutconan.com. Thanks.
If you didn't seem such a nice bloke, I'd smite you for such talk Mr. Fancypants Lee Bates.
All this Conan talk makes me want to see a Conan/Dredd crossover, where Dredd shoots Conan for indecent exposure.
Tharg, make it so!
Quote from: Paul faplad Finch on 18 November, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
There's nowt wrong with a little naturally occuring thread drift if that's the way the conversation heads.
If nothing else, it keeps the thread active while there is no real news to chew over.
yeah, I was only funnin'. I'm just jealous because there's no film starring my favourite fantasy hero, Elric coming out. He pisses all over Conan.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 November, 2010, 06:19:55 PM
I'm just jealous because there's no film starring my favourite fantasy hero, Elric coming out. He pisses all over Conan.
More blasphemy!
There was Conan/Elric Marvel crossover that was written by Mr. Moorcock.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 November, 2010, 05:35:22 PM
can we stop talking about bloody Conan now please? This is the DREDD thread. For all your Conan movie chat, please go to www.nobodygivesaflyingfuckaboutconan.com. Thanks.
If you didn't seem such a nice bloke, I'd smite you for such talk Mr. Fancypants Lee Bates.
I think L.O.D. is trying to chat you up, Master Bates.
(http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac273/vzzbuxvzzbux/JudgeDredd2000ADcopy.jpg)
V
Fair enough
Lawmaster,fat wheels this time or are we getting another scooter and loads of fiberglass? A lawmaster is doable ...
Leaked pictures dont interest me in the slightest but those who do decide to look at them and then make instant judgements based on next to nothing about a film that isnt even anywhere near finished must be complete dumb idiots but i guess it gives them something to prattle on about endlessly on @awesomelyCool.com
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 18 November, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
Leaked pictures dont interest me in the slightest but those who do decide to look at them and then make instant judgements based on next to nothing about a film that isnt even anywhere near finished must be complete dumb idiots but i guess it gives them something to prattle on about endlessly on @awesomelyCool.com
That's generalizing a bit isn't it?
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 18 November, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
Leaked pictures dont interest me in the slightest but those who do decide to look at them and then make instant judgements based on next to nothing about a film that isnt even anywhere near finished must be complete dumb idiots but i guess it gives them something to prattle on about endlessly on @awesomelyCool.com
That's generalizing a bit isn't it?
Well, this
is the internet. We have certain standards, you know...
Quote from: Garageman on 18 November, 2010, 08:08:34 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 November, 2010, 05:35:22 PM
can we stop talking about bloody Conan now please? This is the DREDD thread. For all your Conan movie chat, please go to www.nobodygivesaflyingfuckaboutconan.com. Thanks.
If you didn't seem such a nice bloke, I'd smite you for such talk Mr. Fancypants Lee Bates.
10 pints of Stella and I'm anybody's.
I think L.O.D. is trying to chat you up, Master Bates.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 18 November, 2010, 08:39:28 PM
Leaked pictures dont interest me in the slightest but those who do decide to look at them and then make instant judgements based on next to nothing about a film that isnt even anywhere near finished must be complete dumb idiots but i guess it gives them something to prattle on about endlessly on @awesomelyCool.com
That's generalizing a bit isn't it?
Of course its obviously generalising.
I think the comment was perfectly reasonable because i dont see the point in making judgements about something that isnt finished like a film on the basis of leaked pictures that wont be reflective of the finished film.I might as well say i dont understand that level of Fanboyism that cant wait five minutes before wanting to see leaked pictures and i am firmly in the NO leaked pictures category regarding the JD film.
No need to call people idiots because they like that sort of thing though.Fanboys calling for the head of the director because they don't like what they think they see is one thing but to say that all people who check them out or don't mind doing so is an insult.Most people out there think only children read comic books,bot true though is it.
I apologise but thats what happens when i post comments when i am slightly irritable.
It does seem pretty clear that from reading other comments on this thread that leaked pictures can do more harm than good to the film so in this instance i dont think leaked pictures are a very good idea or the way forward.
Everyone just needs to relax and be patient and wait for official pictures and info.I shouldnt click on this thread as i have said previously because i find all the speculation etc very tiresome but like i said i shouldnt click on this thread to begin with.
I think that forgetting about it all until the film appears and only reading official updates etc is going to work best for me.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 19 November, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
I apologise but thats what happens when i post comments when i am slightly irritable.
It does seem pretty clear that from reading other comments on this thread that leaked pictures can do more harm than good to the film so in this instance i dont think leaked pictures are a very good idea or the way forward.
Everyone just needs to relax and be patient and wait for official pictures and info.I shouldnt click on this thread as i have said previously because i find all the speculation etc very tiresome but like i said i shouldnt click on this thread to begin with.
I think that forgetting about it all until the film appears and only reading official updates etc is going to work best for me.
I don't see what the issue is...i'm certainly not a 'fan boy' as has been stated...but at the same time I don't see the harm in seeing a few murky pictures...I think you would have to be of a certain unhinged disposition to judge an entire film based on a few leaked snapshots...the majority of films have stills/footage leaked early on...I think it would just be nice to see a few tidbits...can't believe people are being so precious about it to be honest
I'd love to see some 'spy pics' to be honest. I don't think it could possibly harm the film at all and suggestions that it could seem a bit ridiculous to me.
I remember when the original Batman film was in production back in 1989, The Mirror printed a couple of pictures which had been secretly taken on the set. They were a bit blurry and badly lit but they made me get bloody excited I can tell you.
Bring on the pictures! I want to see something!
Jock tweeted this ten mintures ago:
jock4twenty: just received the first official still from DREDD. look for it on the 2000AD website today.
and this:
jock4twenty: ... it's a pic of Dredd
!!!!!!!! :)
ooooOO the tease
AAAAARGH! WHERE IS IT!
Quote from: CraveNoir on 19 November, 2010, 04:23:21 PM
Jock tweeted this ten mintures ago:
jock4twenty: just received the first official still from DREDD. look for it on the 2000AD website today.
and this:
jock4twenty: ... it's a pic of Dredd
!!!!!!!! :)
I am now Officially on MOTHERDROKKIN pins & needles! :o
Panic, panic, panic...!
I'm looking! I'm looking!
er...where should I be looking!?
I bet thats put the hits on the main page up a bit :D :D
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3pzXydA_9sg/SlhHgKN_68I/AAAAAAAAAFg/HmzjvmGLbnA/s320/Drinking-Bird-Simpsons-01.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3pzXydA_9sg/SlhHgKN_68I/AAAAAAAAAFg/HmzjvmGLbnA/s320/Drinking-Bird-Simpsons-01.jpg)
Arrgh! Come ON! Where is it? Jock posted his tweet forty-four minutes ago!
GAH! At almost five O'clock on a friday they say this! It'll never happen!
it's coming
Cyber Matt is posting a new topic in announcements...
Cripes, my heart is actually racing with anticipation!
I've got my coat on ready for the pub and yet I'm sitting here waiting for "the post"....
Me too. AG!
I've got a casserole that's going to be ruined if they don't get their fingers out...
SBT
Maybe if we hit F5 harder it will speed up the process (or blow up the servers).
It's worth a shot!
*hammers F5*
I'm assuming ye've seen this then. Apparently it's official:
(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=3868;image)
Looks good.
The small shoulder pad is reminds me of the very early Dredd...don,t see an eagle though...must be the angle.
The uniform looks more functional than that previous Hollywood debacle.
Think my only problem is the helmet,don't get me wrong i think it looks great and accurate. Just have this feeling that if he turned his head he'd be looking at the interior lining.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 18 November, 2010, 01:20:32 PM
You are wrong about Conan's physical attributes not being important. To REH they were incredibly important so that he described them over and over in detail.
Important or not, get too hung up on the physical characteristics of any character and you'll probably end up never making a decent movie. If you insist on a dead ringer for the character you're limiting your options massively because you also need that dead ringer to:
1) Be able to act well.
2) Come across well as that character in every other important way besides just physical appearance (being a good actor rarely if ever means you can play
any character convincingly.)
3) Want to play the part.
4) Be available to play the part.
5) Be affordable within the movie's budget
...Just to mention the
most obvious requirements. For many movies filling these requirements is hard enough. Wait for an exact physical match as well and you could be waiting until hell freezes over.
Ian Fleming also described Bond in exacting detail and being reasonably competent at drawing himself, even drew his own sketch of what he thought the character should look like... Despite looking nothing like that image, Daniel Craig still owned it and made two great Bond movies to date. Nobody who writes these two movies off because of his appearance is doing themselves any favours. They're just missing out. But hey, if that's really what they want... if they'd actually rather miss out than enjoy some good movies, who am I to argue?
Having said that, Momoa may suck as Conan - but if he does it'll be for more fundamental reasons than just not looking quite right.
Okay we've already been slagged off for not talking about Dredd so some people might be asking how is this relevant to Dredd? Well given the pic of the new uniform we've just seen, it's very relevant. Since we never see Dredd's face, arguably the uniform IS his appearance - and even without the face few characters have an appearance as distinctive as Dredd's. Like any comic book character he's physically described far more often than any character in prose - every single panel in which he appears is effectively a physical description of him. I just hope there are not too many people who will ruin their own enjoyment of the film by getting too hung up on what they think the character should look like.
You might want to ignore the above post where I accidentally quoted my previous post. Or a mod could delete it, perhaps.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 20 November, 2010, 01:39:20 AM
You might want to ignore the above post where I accidentally quoted my previous post. Or a mod could delete it, perhaps.
Done!
Quote from: pops1983 on 23 October, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 23 October, 2010, 09:18:10 PM
If the shoulder pads on the uniform look like this:
(http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Judge-Dredd-Complete-Case-Files-Volume-1.jpg)
I'd be satisfied
Dont like to blow my own trumpet but - My one eye I foresore it
Is it just me or is that helmet too big for him?
The rest of it looks good though. And the helmet isn't that bad, but I think some people seeing this character for the first time may think the helmet looks silly. If it was smaller it would look a bit better. Rest looks good though.
I had a chance to read the script and I'm even more excited about the film. Aside from one strange little thing at the end, Dredd acts just like the comic book Dredd. Like others have said, the script's biggest strength is that it throws you right into the action. No boring origin story like all of those other comic movies.
I like the writer, producers and the casting, so my main concern is with the director. I hope he's up to snuff. Since most of the film takes place in a high-rise, things could potentially get stale if there isn't a talented guy behind the camera.
Yup! alot of pressure for Mr. Travis as director. If he can get Dredd and Anderson's characterization right and throw in some unique action sequences they'll have nailed it! :P
I like it. Something similar to what I expected. Because I'm ace.
Does anyone else think that Katie Waissel should be cast as a female relative of Dredd ? She definitely has the chin !
First footage of "Dredd" to be shown at Kapow! Comic Con on April 2011!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29703
Quote from: weehawk on 03 December, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
First footage of "Dredd" to be shown at Kapow! Comic Con on April 2011!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29703
Great news! I'm tempted to go now. More than I was already, anyway.
Drools.never been to London :-\
how long to go until release
Quote from: judge cooper on 07 December, 2010, 01:59:26 PM
how long to go until release
About 358 days, according to unconfirmed rumours.
First footage of Dredd may be possible at SFX Weekender in early Feb according to the podcast.
Bollocks...
Indeed, any tickets...?
not long to wait then