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Prog 2265: Worlds at War

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Colin YNWA:

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This is a Kek-W quirk I’m not a fan of. It feels like he undermines his own writing with callbacks. Deadworld was much stronger before it was tied specifically to events within actual Dredd continuity (like the Sovs), ...

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I think its about doing it right and for me the Sovs in Deadworld is a good example of just that. We know we are dealing with a world simialr to 'our' Dredd's and therefore its safe to assume there are other countries out there with Justice Systems just like in Dredd's. It's therefore relevent to the story to see how they react to the collapse of America and the most exciting extreme way to do that is attach it to the idea that the Sovs, always looking to undermine Mega City One would see this as a perfect opportunity. For me that one makes perfect sense.

Others Kek-W has used less so. So Revere in Indigo Prime just never felt validated. Armoured Gideon started off kinda being interesting,as you say it thematically makes sense. However his use of Gideon as a vessel for Clara's disembodied spirit means its just got nothing left to do with Armoured Gideon and so why have done it. The idea itself is fine, but if you are going to use Armoured Gideon use Armoured Gideon and if not don't use him as just a random inclusion.

That said let's see were the whole thing goes as it might pull things back and justify why we are in Armoured Gideon's world and therefore justify his use to establish that. I'll hold judgement for now.

IndigoPrime:

--- Quote from: Colin YNWA on 18 January, 2022, 09:20:51 AM ---the Sovs, always looking to undermine Mega City One would see this as a perfect opportunity. For me that one makes perfect sense
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Perhaps it’s the execution. Deadworld of course gives us a different view of Death’s origins from what went before—it’s a soft reboot. Even so, it felt like a very different (and less—or at least very different) tech-oriented world from the MC-1 era we know. So dropping in Strato-Vs was a bit WUH? It just pulled me right out of the narrative and obliterated the atmosphere and reality that had been built up. (Revere did much the same thing for me in Indigo Prime.)

As for Gideon, I must find it sad. He’s now, what a helmet on a golem? I suspect he gets away with it because Gideon the character was mostly one-note and is also from a C-list series. It just feels so throwaway.


--- Quote ---That said let's see were the whole thing goes as it might pull things back and justify why we are in Armoured Gideon's world and therefore justify his use to establish that. I'll hold judgement for now.
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If that’s the case, and especially if it backdoors new Armoured Gideon, fair enough. But I suspect The Order is an awful lot of lobbing things at walls. That’s certainly how it reads.

Barrington Boots:
I'm enjoying The Order overall, but got to agree on Armoured Gideon. The character was not exactly deep but now is so unrecognisable it should have been an original creation. It doesn't help that it looks nothing like the original character either.

I've seen loads of people saying how the Order is unreadably confusing (not necessarily on this forum) - and I was scratching my head at a few bits in the first episode of this run, but a quick re-read and it all made perfect sense. The problem I think it's pretty easy to follow*if you do that, but because the story zips around a lot and has had such a big cast it can be pretty impenetrable if you don't. For a new reader I think it'd be a nightmare. I think it's definitely one of those strips where once you decide it doesn't make sense to you it would become more and more unfathomable until you're just looking at JMB's lovely pictures and moving on.

I felt a lot more 'with' the story this week especially with Ergo / Browne showing up again which feels like a tie to the previous stuff rather than another new direction but it seems to me the strip is becoming more and more divisive amongst the readership. I know we could have had a League of Extraordinary Gentleman style strip with a rotating cast of wacky characters fighting worms in different time periods (I did like Athos's version of The Order) and what we got was much more ambitious and interesting, but sometimes it does feel like the story is just lobbing ideas at walls and personally I'd like to see it showing that it's at least moving towards a resolution.


* not entirely, as I just re-read it and there's still a bunch of questions over the time-travel stuff

Colin YNWA:

--- Quote from: Barrington Boots on 18 January, 2022, 09:54:24 AM ---... personally I'd like to see it showing that it's at least moving towards a resolution.

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There's quite a few modern thrills like that. Much as I like many of them you wonder where there are going and is there a sense of were resolution will come from.

I'd moan and miss them when they are gone in many case but it would also be nice to see them complete. Red Seas and Dante are missed but all the better for finishing.

IndigoPrime:
Or: you finish that bit. Kingdom is done, but could continue. Brink finished, but continued. Abnett is really good at providing satisfying pay-offs and having series run over the long term. By contrast, series by other writers are so often left in limbo, or have a feeling of not going anywhere. (This is really frustrating when it comes to strips like Brass Sun, which clearly did have an ongoing narrative, and yet just stopped dead. And although there are promises it will return, well, so too was there for Dan Dare.)

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