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Clint Langley cover. Let's see what Pete's pun is for this one.
Are we all progless in Gaza? I am.
Or all still at the signings?
Back home from the Edinburgh signing but no prog :(
filippo
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Remember how we were giving the new droids a hard time about stylistic choices on covers just a few months ago? Best designed cover since Leigh Gallagher in 2013 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1836), which guarantees it a spot in my top three* for Pete's end of year poll.
Every decision Langley makes is right, perfectly balancing the wild, messy energy of the dominant image with the still smallness and precision of the neatly arrayed human characters, and giving hues the heave in favour of Jay-Z monochrome (https://vimeo.com/74044121) is genius.
It's like an inverted Jaws (http://i2.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/jaws.jpeg).
* Brendan McCarthy's 1975 and Tom Foster's 1986, since you ask (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=covers&page=progs&MaxProg=1997&FirstProg=1951&LastProg=2000)
Agree with Frank. Not generally Langley's biggest fan but as a cover image that is a piece of genius.
It's a lovely reverse of the Jaws poster.
No prog 2001 here in Ayrshire , after spending the day in Edinburgh getting loads of books signed I was hoping to relax and read the latest prog. The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil. Sadly, Alan Grant could not make it today .
Quote from: Frank on 01 October, 2016, 09:19:51 PM
Every decision Langley makes is right, perfectly balancing the wild, messy energy of the dominant image with the still smallness and precision of the neatly arrayed human characters
Not so sure the ones on the ends are human, but fair points made :P
Saw Clint at FB London today - he's still working on the later episodes as the first one is being published!
Line-up, according to the ad in Prog 2000 will be:
- Judge Dredd - Get Sin
- Flesh: Gorehead
- Hunted
- Savage: The Märze Murderer
- Counterfeit Girl
My main reason for posting is I'm wondering how on Earth (or Mars?) you're supposed to pronounce Märze. I'm familiar with German pronunciation of words with ä, so remains to be seen which context and country it will appear in*. As Savage was off to Europe last time we saw him, I wonder if the upcoming story was written pre- or post- 'referendum'...
*or is it just a heavy metal umlaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/metal_umlaut)?
Quote from: sheridan on 02 October, 2016, 01:17:17 AM
I'm wondering how on Earth (or Mars?) you're supposed to pronounce Märze
According to this audio file (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/M%C3%A4rze), like a patron of
Café René.
Quote from: Frank on 02 October, 2016, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 October, 2016, 01:17:17 AM
I'm wondering how on Earth (or Mars?) you're supposed to pronounce Märze
According to this audio file (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/M%C3%A4rze), like a patron of Café René.
But which patron of
Café René? The English spy attempting to speak French, the natives or the German occupiers? Though now you've posted that link I do remember a few lines about the German resistance in the most recent episode of Savage.
Is that a police tyrannosaurus?
Quote from: Dudley on 03 October, 2016, 07:14:17 AM
Is that a police tyrannosaurus?
Could be a TriceraCops?
My coat? How kind
Depends on the scale. Could be a Copsognathus, but it's probably a diplodocus.
Quote from: Dudley on Today at 07:14:17 am
Is that a police tyrannosaurus?
Could be a TriceraCops?
My coat? How kind
:lol: :lol: :lol: Z
Mine has just turned up :D
Postie has just been, nothing for me, as seems to be usual now, bah.
Remember when you had to have actually read the prog prior to reviewing it? Good times.
Quote from: Satanist on 03 October, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
Remember when you had to have actually read the prog prior to reviewing it? Good times.
Once upon a time I'd wait until Wednesday to touch the prog review thread, but as the first few pages are usually subscribers saying "I haven't got my prog yet", I'm safe.
And they said service at Royal Mail would go downhill once it was privatised...
Got mine.
Dredd is Rob Williams and Trevor Hairsine [spoiler]following on from Enceladus[/spoiler] and starts on fine form. Counterfeit Girl continues to be a breezy, colourful, high-octane future thriller. Flesh was... Flesh. The art's quite nice, but six pages of PREVIOUSLY ON FLESH were dull as anything for a story that should be exciting. TIME TRAVEL! DINOSAURS!
Hunted starts well, with Rennie taking another sideways glance into Rogue Trooper. Hard to know where it'll go, but it feels more action movie than Jaegir's relative introspection. And then there's Savage. I think I may have forgotten what's going on there.
A 40% Mills Prog, and so if you like his stuff, you'll probably be in bits with excitement. For me, it's a solid issue, although very much a comedown after the superb Prog 2000.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2016, 02:11:32 PMFlesh was... Flesh. The art's quite nice, but six pages of PREVIOUSLY ON FLESH were dull as anything for a story that should be exciting. TIME TRAVEL! DINOSAURS!
It was interesting contrasting Savage with Flesh. Savage is arguably more convoluted, and certainly longer-running, with what feels like roughly the same gap between "books" (someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they must have both had roughly the same gap?), but it fires straight into what is essentially a cold-open whereas Flesh plods through six pages of recap. I wonder why Pat (I'm assuming it was Pat and not editorial) felt that was necessary? It's certainly a flat note to start a new series on when a "Previously on Flesh"-style half-page/splash could have covered a fair amount of the necessary info to bring fresh readers up to speed and still left plenty of space to get the new tale going.
Every time an ongoing thrill returns, there are calls for a detailed recap either in addition to or within the story. I don't think editorial (or Pat) can win this one.
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 October, 2016, 04:13:38 PM
Every time an ongoing thrill returns, there are calls for a detailed recap either in addition to or within the story. I don't think editorial (or Pat) can win this one.
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Quote from: TordelBack on 03 October, 2016, 04:13:38 PM
Every time an ongoing thrill returns, there are calls for a detailed recap either in addition to or within the story. I don't think editorial (or Pat) can win this one.
Agh! Bloody lack of an edit function and my clumsy monkey hands! :-)
I think a recap page is a great idea, particularly for thrills which have run in several "books" with large-ish gaps, but a full episode dedicated to it seems a little much. It won't stop me enjoying the rest of the story - I've got a bit of a soft spot for the bonkers Nu-Flesh, warts and all - but it does deflate the opening episode excitement for me a little.
This book of Flesh is more likely to be reprinted as the first in a series of glossy Mills/Langley hard-covers. The recap will be for those who buy the GNs as well as the Prog reader.
Savage will likely be re-printed in Vol 4 of the pb range (if the series hasn't stalled) so doesn't need to be as 'newbie' friendly.
Quote from: The Amstor Computer on 03 October, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 October, 2016, 02:11:32 PMFlesh was... Flesh. The art's quite nice, but six pages of PREVIOUSLY ON FLESH were dull as anything for a story that should be exciting. TIME TRAVEL! DINOSAURS!
It was interesting contrasting Savage with Flesh. Savage is arguably more convoluted, and certainly longer-running, with what feels like roughly the same gap between "books" (someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they must have both had roughly the same gap?), but it fires straight into what is essentially a cold-open whereas Flesh plods through six pages of recap. I wonder why Pat (I'm assuming it was Pat and not editorial) felt that was necessary? It's certainly a flat note to start a new series on when a "Previously on Flesh"-style half-page/splash could have covered a fair amount of the necessary info to bring fresh readers up to speed and still left plenty of space to get the new tale going.
It's been about a year and a half since Grinders, and nearly
three years since Badlanders, so there's a lot more of a gap. Having said that, good points about where they may appear in collected editions also.
Quote from: sheridan on 03 October, 2016, 06:19:14 PM
It's been about a year and a half since Grinders, and nearly three years since Badlanders, so there's a lot more of a gap. Having said that, good points about where they may appear in collected editions also.
Blimey! Has it really been that long? And none of those tales have been collected yet, have they (I think it's still just "Texas" that was reprinted in the Dino Files book...)?
Good point about collected editions as well. I wouldn't be too shocked if the Mills/Langley Flesh tales were collected ahead of Midnight Cowboys/Badlanders/Grinders - the hardback, more Euro-friendly Slaine/ABC books certainly seem to be successful enough to justify their continued prominence in Rebellion's publishing plans, and I could certainly see this version of Flesh joining them - and in that case a more extensive recap like this would make sense. It definitely still feels a bit too much in the prog though, but I take the point :)
Dredd was an interesting opener. Looks like Williams is taking to the wider Dredd conflict world for this run. Hairsine / Kitson on art duties is an interesting collaboration. Nice enough set up. We'll just wait to see where this goes.
Flesh has never been a tale that I've taken to well, other than the Bellardinelli run. Add in Langley's CGI mud and this is going to be a skimmer for me. Sorry.
The most interesting new opener for me has got to be Hunted. Looking at things from the Traitor Generals' perspective certainly has potential. One thing I've always wondered about was which General from Buzzard Three he was. That was always my classic cover of the eighties. Colin Wilson on RT. Them were the days!
It's been nearly three years since the last series of Flesh, so I don't have a problem with a recap episode.
I like the look of Hunted and I'm looking forward to the rest of it.
STILL progless here in Ayrshire......not a happy chappy again today :-(
Dredd is all out action and Barry Kitson back in the prog - great stuff!
Counterfeit Girl is going well and whilst I'm not quite sure how Rogue Trooper is back, this looks interesting too. Flesh isn't my cup of tea in terms of story or art but Savage is enjoyable.
Strong prog, even after the giddy heights of prog 2000.
Well it had a lot to live up to didn't it and lets be honest it didn't quite make it. It gave it a damned good shoot and in some strips there was the quality that was needed. Dredd was a nice atmospheric opener with an intriguing mystery and an action packed finale. Fantastic stuff and I'm looking forward to seeing how we progress, but a revenge mission... now... really... we'll see.
Counterfeit Girl is a multi-coloured, high octane, delight. The only question remains when its wearing its theme so openly will it sustain interest. So far so good though and I look forward to finding out.
Flesh... fleshy, flesh, flesh, flesh... oh dear. I've loved this series to date and maybe the theory down thread about this being to support a trade or hardcover down the line is right but really 6 pages of flat, unapologetic recap, in a Prog after one would hope an audience boost of Prog 2000. Someone as experienced as Mr Mill could surely have provide a more imaginative, less direct way of achieving this? Maybe its there to showcase the art change... and we'll see how that goes when there's an actual story to tell.
Hunted was a strip I was really looking forward to after prog 2000 but its didn't quite work for me for some reason. Dron being kinda splashed in (has he appeared in previous Rennie Nu-Earth stories and my addled memory is letting me down) felt unecessary when we had The Traitor General to focus on. Still might not have gelled with me as a single episode but the idea is still something I'm pretty bought into so still looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
Finally Savage, well while not Mills at his best, it did rather over egg the Bill ain't coping angle was fine stuff and I'm always happy to have this series back so plenty of time for this one to pick up.
So yeah strangely even though his wasn't a great Prog for me there's still enough in the line-up to give me much hope that things will spring into life when each story finds its feet proper. Just seems a shame that a couple of exceptions aside the episodes aren't as strong as they might have been to build on what we got a week ago.
Quoterecap, in a Prog after one would hope an audience boost of Prog 2000.
That seems to me to be all the more reason to have a recap.
Heard it is at home but not seen it yet.
Love the idea of a follow up to Enceladus wherever it goes, particularly with Hairsine on dury.
Fancy re-engaging when th Flesh after the last series left me adrift. Never really 'got' McKay's artwork so a change is welcome.
Otherwise ambivalent, particularly Savage which lost me several books ago. Pat Mills has produced some of 2000AD's finest moments and strips but his current model serms to be to spin out tales interminably with clumsy artificial cliffhangers and predictable malificent seven type stories.
Quote from: Richard on 04 October, 2016, 12:12:06 AM
Quoterecap, in a Prog after one would hope an audience boost of Prog 2000.
That seems to me to be all the more reason to have a recap.
A egotisitcal self quote in reply.
QuoteProg after one would hope an audience boost of Prog 2000. Someone as experienced as Mr Mill could surely have provide a more imaginative, less direct way of achieving this?
It was always going to be hard to follow Prog 2000 and lest we forget, under normal circumstances this would have been the much heralded jumping on Prog.
Dredd was shaping up nicely until that last panel. So the mission is to murder / carry out lawful sentence (delete according to your point of view) a load of Sov Judges. Doesn't seem like a very noble mission to me. And yes I get he isn't a hero, you are not meant to be cheering for him blah blah blah, but even so this seems a bit extreme. Hope something else is really going on.
I never would have recognised Trevor Hairsine's art. Seem like a complete shift in style.
Counterfeit Girl: the jury is definitely out on this one.
Hunted: after the fresh take on the Rogue Trooper universe that was Jargir, I can't help thinking this is a backwards step. Preferred Richard Elson's depiction of the Traitor General too.
ABC WarriorsFlesh: I was ok with the recap. Which ever way it is done it is going over old ground so it's never going to be ideal. Pat has previous for doing them in story, going all the way back to the Black Hole, which when I read it I was going "yeah yeah we know all this, just get on with it". How they are viewed I think depends on how necessary they are. People often say they can't remember what is going on in a strip. So there you go - here is a recap. The in story ones for me don't really work either.
With the way it has been done, you do at least get some new art and it is better than a page of text - it is a comic after all.
As ever I am torn on Langley's art. It should be the best thing ever but it's (IMO) slightly static nature holds it back.
Savage: as with others I was slightly losing the thread of the plot over the last few books. Hopefully with the relocation this will be a new story arc. Oh and how long til Clint Langley starts doing the art for this as well?
One last thought: it is quite a thing that more than 2000 Progs in we have an issue in which 3 strips originated in Progs 1 and 2, and two others from the first 5 years.
My pick of a thrill packed Prog is PJ Holden's superb art on Hunted. I confess I don't know as much about Rogue's world as I should do (Chris Thompson will be filling me in on an upcoming podcast) but I'm instantly grabbed by Rennie and Holden's premise.
Top thrill for me
I suppose at least Flesh wasn't yet another book about getting the gang back together, which seems to be a recurring theme every few years in ABC Warriors. As for recaps, I'm not against them, but six pages? And they were so boring to read.
>:D
Postie's been again, still no Prog 2000 and no sign of Prog 2001 either...
The Flesh re-cap didn't exactly inspire me to hunt down the original stories. Did it make any more sense in those?
I am very optimistic about the all-action start to Where Eagles DareDredd. Counterfeit Girl looks like being a great story as well.
Quote from: CalHab on 04 October, 2016, 11:43:31 AMThe Flesh re-cap didn't exactly inspire me to hunt down the original stories. Did it make any more sense in those?
Sort of. Flesh has its fans, but I thought the new run was messy, preachy, occasionally unnecessarily sexist, and just not all that exciting. I love the concept, and enjoyed bits of the original Flesh run from 2000 AD's dawn. But this newer stuff has never really clicked with me.
I'm still progless for 2001, on a Tuesday.
I managed to speak to the postie and he reckons its the KILMARNOCK sorting office that could be delaying shipment of the progs to us in Ayrshire fro some reason.
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 04 October, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
I'm still progless for 2001, on a Tuesday.
I managed to speak to the postie and he reckons its the KILMARNOCK sorting office that could be delaying shipment of the progs to us in Ayrshire fro some reason.
Yep, I spoke to my postie too and he says basically they are in disarray at the Kilmarnock sorting office, of course I wouldn't land my postie in it but he has told me some hair raising stories over the years! He's a decent sort as well, always dread (see, I resisted there) when he is on holiday or days off, generally anything heavier than a letter gets left for his return, poor guy!
I sent a message on the shop page and got a lovely reply back basically getting a rush job on my missing two progs, reassurance that I am in fact eligible to get the prog and a looksee at what might be happening - was told the warehouse change should speed up late prog probs that I've been having over the last couple of months, but it seems to have made it worse.
Some Royal Mail ass kicking is needed and I'm sure it's better coming from the sender rather than the recipient, especially if the sender is a volume customer such as Rebellion.
Oh well, first world problems, eh?
Quote from: The Amstor Computer on 03 October, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Good point about collected editions as well. I wouldn't be too shocked if the Mills/Langley Flesh tales were collected ahead of Midnight Cowboys/Badlanders/Grinders - the hardback, more Euro-friendly Slaine/ABC books certainly seem to be successful enough to justify their continued prominence in Rebellion's publishing plans, and I could certainly see this version of Flesh joining them - and in that case a more extensive recap like this would make sense. It definitely still feels a bit too much in the prog though, but I take the point :)
Mills has form - The Horned God had a one-episode recap at the beginning, and that was also after a long gap (can't remember quite how long, but between Slaine the King and The Horned God, 'Steve' Bisley managed to chuck out The ABC Warriors - The Black Hole).
Dug out my collected edition - Slaine the King began in Prog 500 and was finished by 520 (the 'birthday' prog) while Horned God began in 626 - so about a two-year gap. There's about eleven pages given to scene-setting for Ukko and Nest in Dinas Emrys mixed in with a recap of just about all the major events from the series so far. After that we get into the actual story.
Quote from: Tjm86 on 03 October, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
Dredd was an interesting opener. Looks like Williams is taking to the wider Dredd conflict world for this run. Hairsine / Kitson on art duties is an interesting collaboration. Nice enough set up. We'll just wait to see where this goes.
Kitson back on art duties? Flippant woman in the hood? Sov judges? Such a combination hasn't been seen since Hour of the Wolf...
Quote from: Magnetica on 04 October, 2016, 09:18:28 AM
One last thought: it is quite a thing that more than 2000 Progs in we have an issue in which 3 strips originated in Progs 1 and 2, and two others from the first 5 years.
Don't think I follow your counting - Dredd, Flesh and Savage are the strips originating (with a name change) from the first couple of progs, while Hunted originates from the first five years, but the remaining of the five strips* is one week old.
* not including Droid Life, featuring characters which originated in another comic a few years after 2000AD debuted.
Yes you are right - I miss counted.
My excuse is I was typing that on my phone on the tube on the way to work and wanted to finish it before the train went underground. I think what happen was I had actually counted ABC Warriors as one of the strips (as per my little joke above :-[ ). But hey it does look a bit like ABC Warriors and does any one else think the Flesh grinder thingy looks just a teeny bit like Mek Quake?
And yes I am counting Hunted as being a Rogue Trooper continuation (and to be fair the credits say that).
Quote from: Magnetica on 05 October, 2016, 07:22:45 AM
Yes you are right - I miss counted.
My excuse is I was typing that on my phone on the tube on the way to work and wanted to finish it before the train went underground. I think what happen was I had actually counted ABC Warriors as one of the strips (as per my little joke above :-[ ). But hey it does look a bit like ABC Warriors and does any one else think the Flesh grinder thingy looks just a teeny bit like Mek Quake?
And yes I am counting Hunted as being a Rogue Trooper continuation (and to be fair the credits say that).
I was thinking the Flesh Dozer looked Mek-Quake-y (or at least Terramek-y). My first thought was that this might be tied in to Ro-Busters and the rest (though Flesh™ takes place in the 23rd century and Ro-Busters is later in our own - lost track of when ABC Warriors' current books takes place).Interesting points about old (I'm giong to count the first half of the last twenty years) versus new. Luckily we have Stickleback, Brass Sun and the rest, though unfortunately not running in the prog right now.
Good stuff I thought, but the Flesh recap was indeed a deathly dull necessary evil - perhaps a double episode of this with some story would have been better. Pleased with the Willis O'Brien look of Langley's Gorehead, but worried about his teeny tiny indistinguishable photobooth characters.
Dredd was fast, fantastic and intriguing, and who thought of pairing Hairsine and Kitson, it's a sublime combo!
Savage was hilarious, 'Wilhelm Wilder' undercover behind the bar of the Butcher's Hook while 'Bill Savage' takes his shootah to the Volgs of Berlin ... truly allied intelligence have just the one idea. A welcome chuckle.
Gone Girl , a classic Milligan and McCarthy paranoid romp from Milligan and Rufus, very enjoyable, and great colours from Regan.
Hunted. Wonderful art from Holden, and despite reservations about going back to the (poisoned) well of classic Rogue, I enjoyed this a lot. Be great if we got a crossover with Jaegir.
The concept of retaliation against the Sovs for Enceladus is something, to me, that sits well with the judicial concepts of the 22nd century. Mega City One with the infusion of Texas City resources is in a position to make examples of those who ' kicked them, when they were down', so to speak. Reality in the 22nd century is brutal and for by this, consider the havoc wrecked by the west on 'suspected' supporters of Islamic militancy in the present day.
I always thought that there was value in a Dredd strip where there was an extended manhunt for the facilitators and supporters of DOC...I appreciate Dredd and Hershy were not minded to perpetuate the cycle of mass retaliation; but one would have thought there would have been many abroad who personally or corporately aided the faction in question. Z
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 October, 2016, 09:52:00 AM
Good stuff I thought, but the Flesh recap was indeed a deathly dull necessary evil - perhaps a double episode of this with some story would have been better.
Yeah, The Horned God recap was published over two progs, but had lots of interaction between Ukko and Nest, so only about half of that was recap interspersed with original scenes.
QuoteDredd was fast, fantastic and intriguing, and who thought of pairing Hairsine and Kitson, it's a sublime combo!
Great Seeing both artists back in the prog - would love to know how the two came to be working together.
QuoteSavage was hilarious, 'Wilhelm Wilder' undercover behind the bar of the Butcher's Hook while 'Bill Savage' takes his shootah to the Volgs of Berlin ... truly allied intelligence have just the one idea. A welcome chuckle.
Right from the original five-part Invasion! story (The Resistance) Savage seemed to be the only person in the Resistance with a clue.
QuoteHunted. Wonderful art from Holden, and despite reservations about going back to the (poisoned) well of classic Rogue, I enjoyed this a lot. Be great if we got a crossover with Jaegir.
Like it - a disgraced Souther general and a disgraced Nort general (though the Nort is more in exile than actually a wanted man).
WH Smith up to their old tricks * today, my scanned prog costing me £3.99. Obviously a hangover from last week. Staff seemed genuinely confused as to how that could happen, which pleased me :)
* Well, Head Office human error (this isn't the conspiracy thread)
Great opener to Where Judges Dare. Dredd riding a moose (with red eyes) towards a Sov Meg prison, a covert prison break and then guns out. Like others in this thread, I'm also thinking it's connected to Sinfield. Can't wait till next week!
Counterfit girl kept on moving forward in a nice pace. Not sure where it's heading. Hoping for some nice twists to it's concepts. Outright lovely to look at.
I don't feel I'v read enough of either Rogue trooper, Flesh or Savage to know what to make of them. But they seem fine. New adventure of time travelling dinosaurs, someone/thing traitor general and the "savage guy" .
Quote from: Apestrife on 05 October, 2016, 01:17:46 PM
I don't feel I'v read enough of either Rogue trooper, Flesh or Savage to know what to make of them. But they seem fine. New adventure of time travelling dinosaurs, someone/thing traitor general and the "savage guy" .
Savage is his surname - Bill Savage, full name William Alfred Savage.
Still no Prog in Paisley! Any other Cal-Habbers similarly affected? Wonder if the switchover to in house subs is to blame?
The Flesh recap was necessary as as I'm concerned - even though I've read all of these, I don't think I remembered a single detail, but now I feel I'm up to speed - may be better to have condensed the recap to 4 pages allowing a couple of pages of plot advancement at least, but I'd rather have it than not.
Quote from: Buttonman on 05 October, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
Still no Prog in Paisley! Any other Cal-Habbers similarly affected? Wonder if the switchover to in house subs is to blame?
Nothing for me, Ayrshire (as per usual though for the last few months - this is definitely the latest it's ever been, well, discounting the fact that I never got Prog 2000 at all).
Still no prog 2001 here in North Ayrshire again. And its wednesday !!!!! I know from speaking to my postie yesterday that all our mail comes via the sorting office in KILMARNOCK (via Glasgow) and distributed throughout the region. so the problem lies there in Killie. >:(
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 October, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
The Flesh recap was necessary as as I'm concerned - even though I've read all of these, I don't think I remembered a single detail
I've only read the previous book, so I suppose this was for my benefit. Even so, I agree it was a very dry read - Uncle Pat should have used a poem or a wee song as a hook to hang the infodump upon, like he did with
Sauvage (http://macys-o.scene7.com/is/image/MCY/products/1/optimized/3085191_fpx.tif?wid=1320&hei=1616&fit=fit,1&$filterlrg$).
It seems customary to declare that Clint Langley's Gilbert & George (http://arttattler.com/Images/NorthAmerica/NewYork/Brooklyn%20Museum/Gilbert%20and%20George/APOSTASIA-Detail.jpg) technique* isn't really your cup of tea. I'm no exception, but it looks like it will work well on this particular strip and its subject matter. Monochrome looks great.
Lulu Fun was a great
2000ad name, so it's a shame she won't be around anymore; Sunny D was a chilling reminder of Bill's origins in the nineties; and I thought the person Dredd (clunkily) told to keep their burqa on must be [spoiler]the Kazan clone[/spoiler]?
* As opposed to his line art, which I think is fantastic
Really enjoyed that Prog with a few reservations.
Dredd looks like a rollicking adventure and nice to see whole Enceladus arc revisited. That said, it was one of the clumsiest intros to a story I have seen in ages with characters spouting 'helpful' exposition at every turn in ways no one would ever speak (translation chips etc). Really not representative of Rob's considerable skills and pulled me out of the story several times. Expecting better for the rest of the story.
Rogue Trooper and Savage were both much smoother introductions and despite having skipped Savage for the last 2 books I enjoyed this.
Flesh recap was indeed dry but necessary for me at least as the combination of Mill's meandering and preaching and McKay's increasingly scratchy art turned me off after quite enjoying 'Texas'. Langley brings a freshness to the story and I am actually looking forward to see where it goes now assuming I can recognise characters in his art.
Not quite sure why but I am more engaged with the current line up than I have been for some time.
Not read Counterfeit Girl yet so won't pass comment.
If you're looking for the digital 2001 in the app, look down bottom right of the screen.
Took me a while. :-[
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 05 October, 2016, 07:26:39 PM
If you're looking for the digital 2001 in the app, look down bottom right of the screen.
Took me a while. :-[
Thanks Eamonn, I'd never have looked further down!
I've been grumbling to myself all day about there being no Prog and was going to contact Rebellion tomorrow.
Now I can read it! :D
(My usual lunchtime read wasn't without thrill-power though. I read Prog 1041 instead on my Prog Slog).
I popped in to speculate on who the mystery judge we are clearly supposed to think is Anderson but equally clearly isn't is, but I think Frank might have nailed it already. Any other suggestions?
Quote from: Timothy on 05 October, 2016, 08:29:11 PM
I popped in to speculate on who the mystery judge we are clearly supposed to think is Anderson but equally clearly isn't is, but I think Frank might have nailed it already. Any other suggestions?
Isn't the [spoiler]Kazan clone[/spoiler] [spoiler]wheelchair bound[/spoiler]?
Quote from: Tombo on 05 October, 2016, 09:21:51 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 05 October, 2016, 08:29:11 PM
I popped in to speculate on who the mystery judge we are clearly supposed to think is Anderson but equally clearly isn't is, but I think Frank might have nailed it already. Any other suggestions?
Isn't the [spoiler]Kazan clone[/spoiler] [spoiler]wheelchair bound[/spoiler]?
[spoiler]Gerhardt?[/spoiler]
Quote from: Tombo on 05 October, 2016, 09:21:51 PM
Isn't the [spoiler]Kazan clone[/spoiler] [spoiler]wheelchair bound[/spoiler]?
Looks like a moose to me.
Quote from: Buttonman on 05 October, 2016, 02:43:45 PM
Still no Prog in Paisley! Any other Cal-Habbers similarly affected? Wonder if the switchover to in house subs is to blame?
I got a Monday delivery, as now seems to be the norm.
Mine arrived this morning (Thursday) - later than the newsagents! Hopefully just a glitch due to the changeover.
Cover: Wonderful. 2000AD seems to have become the last bastion of good cover-art.
Dredd: I liked the art. I am not sold on the story yet, and frankly I have forgotten who "Sin" is. But it is a welcome change to the dull and endless "Judges vs Judges".
Counterfeit Girl: I am not a fan of Milligan. Normally I like the artist, but the similarity of the character design to Marvel's mutant Domino feels a bit strange and unneccesary.
Flesh: I just can't get into Mills, especially not in ABC Warriors and Flesh. Or Slaine. So this will be a few weeks of looking at the nice art only.
Hunted: I read the old Rogue Trooper collections, the classics only before the revamps, which all seemed to be a bit pointless, so I know the basics. But here I absolutly can't remember what happened before. On the other hand, it is Rogue hunting the Traitor General. Not so complicated ;) So, well. Even if I don't like Holden's art much, it can be a nice story.
Savage: Another one where the story lost me a long time ago. But the b/w art is nice.
Cover: Great start to the 2000's, Langley excells himself in this stunning B & W image.
Dredd: I love this, moody, sneaky and brutal. Is it just me or are the ideas taken from that old Sven Hassel novel 'The Commissar'. the setting and cable platform seem familiar.
Counterfeit Girl: I love me a bit of Cyber Punk; I love me a bit of Pete Milligan and I really love me some Dayglo. so I'm good with this.
Flesh: Langley's art is criticized for being too static and I tend (in the main) to agree; this does not detract from the beauty of each single image. Pat Mills is again revisiting well trodden ground, but hey dinosaurs and cowboys make a good combination.
Hunted: An eye fest from a combination of superlative writer and wonderful artist. Tying with Dredd in my favourites this week.
Savage: What Pat Mills again! Again revisiting old characters (Something new or Nemises would be nice). I never really got Savage over this past 39 and some years, but Patrick Goddard and black and white are the perfect combination.
All in all a good prog: three wonderful tales; one not bad and a Savage which is just not for me. Z
Quote from: Albion on 05 October, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 05 October, 2016, 07:26:39 PM
If you're looking for the digital 2001 in the app, look down bottom right of the screen.
Took me a while. :-[
Thanks Eamonn, I'd never have looked further down!
I've been grumbling to myself all day about there being no Prog and was going to contact Rebellion tomorrow.
Now I can read it! :D
(My usual lunchtime read wasn't without thrill-power though. I read Prog 1041 instead on my Prog Slog).
Fookin' 'ell! Just as I was about to throw my iPad across the room an' all. Thanks a lot, Eamonn.
I notice that the next episode of the Dredd story is called Where Eagles Dare...
Does that mean that some of the MC-1 Judges with Dredd will turn out to be double agents and that two of the Sov-Judges will look like Anton Diffring and Derren Nesbitt?? :lol:
Quote from: GermanAndy on 06 October, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Cover: Wonderful. 2000AD seems to have become the last bastion of good cover-art.
Dredd: I liked the art. I am not sold on the story yet, and frankly I have forgotten who "Sin" is. But it is a welcome change to the dull and endless "Judges vs Judges".
Counterfeit Girl: I am not a fan of Milligan. Normally I like the artist, but the similarity of the character design to Marvel's mutant Domino feels a bit strange and unneccesary.
Flesh: I just can't get into Mills, especially not in ABC Warriors and Flesh. Or Slaine. So this will be a few weeks of looking at the nice art only.
Hunted: I read the old Rogue Trooper collections, the classics only before the revamps, which all seemed to be a bit pointless, so I know the basics. But here I absolutly can't remember what happened before. On the other hand, it is Rogue hunting the Traitor General. Not so complicated ;) So, well. Even if I don't like Holden's art much, it can be a nice story.
Savage: Another one where the story lost me a long time ago. But the b/w art is nice.
My subs copy FINALLY arrived today ( Thursday ) as well Buttonman. seems that the Ayrshire royal mail is lagging behind 5 days!!!
whoops looks like I copied the wrong quote...
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 06 October, 2016, 09:15:20 PM
whoops looks like I copied the wrong quote...
Mine came too - still no Prog 2000 but I'm getting another one sent out.
Bleedin' ridiculous this post business though, my son's Phoenix no longer comes on a Friday, usually a Saturday or the Monday now, plus I notice my Private Eye arriving later.
I think they look at the mags and say, stuff that, those can wait.
All the more annoying as these are all Royal Mail stuff, and not TNT or whatever other third party mail that goes to the bottom of the pile.
Quote from: Magnetica on 04 October, 2016, 09:18:28 AM
One last thought: it is quite a thing that more than 2000 Progs in we have an issue in which 3 strips originated in Progs 1 and 2, and twoone others from the first 5 years.
It's certainly a thing, but not a particularly good one in my view.
I thought
Dredd and his team off on a Where (Shoulder) Eagles Dare mission was a breath of fresh air. I liked that Rennie story from a few years back about breaking into a Sov gulag but that didn't open with Dredd and Giant riding reindeer. I pretty keen on the way that Williams seems to have absorbed some of the pieces left abandoned by other recent writers. So here we get Spurrier's Domino and, I assume, Maitland from Al's stories alongside more recognisable faces.
The unexpected return of two great artists for the price of one was another treat.
Still liking
Counterfeit Girl but I hope the narration cuts back a bit once the story gets going.
Happy to give
Hunted the benefit of the doubt for now. Yer man Rennie is normally pretty good at turning up something unexpected and a brief appearance from Jaegir, Sr would be the kind of crossover continuity porn I can get behind.
And then there's
Flesh. I don't especially mind a recap episode. Not every strip gets or needs one but whatever. What I do mind is that this one is so completely disjointed that it left me almost more confused than when I started. I still can't figure out if pages 2 & 3 are supposed to be a spread or not. Awful stuff.
The different treatment of the return of
Savage makes sense. The last book was a bit of a natural break in the story so the channe of setting means the new reader isn't at the same disadvantage. Plus everything you need to know (Bill doesn't like Volgs; Bill does like shotguns) is perfectly illustrated in the episode.
Overall: A great prog in a difficult "follow THAT!" situation.
Cover: Different,many it works.
Dredd: I found this unexpected and very interesting. It's also rather dark. Not sure where it's going, but I loved every minute. Plus, Trevor Hairsine!
Counterfeit Girl: I love this. Bright and colourful and great fun. The art is fantastic and suits the strip perfectly, but then, when is that ever NOT the case with Rufus?
Flesh: Never been my favourite strip but it's always been perfectly OK. Interesting done with Clint Langley's current style, I prefer it done in black and white like this. Be nice to see what this new story is about.
Hunted: This looks great and the premise is interesting. But then, I'm a sucker for anything to do with original Rogue. PJ Holden seems perfect for this.
Savage: Sometimes I think "not again, this does drag on" when Savage returns, but then whenever it does I find myself drawn into the story. I'm sure once this gets going that'll happen again. And the art is sublime, of course.
So it's a Pat Mills heavy run which seems somehow appropriate after the "real" prog 2000. In all, a solid start and it looks like I shall enjoy this run of strips.
Well I have returned from my week long exodus to Scapa Flow only to doscover that, in the absence of ANY wifi and thus not being able to dowlnoad my prog on wednesday, the app is now no longer showcasing the prog, the damn thing wont load!
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 09 October, 2016, 09:15:26 AM
Well I have returned from my week long exodus to Scapa Flow only to doscover that, in the absence of ANY wifi and thus not being able to dowlnoad my prog on wednesday, the app is now no longer showcasing the prog, the damn thing wont load!
I don't do digital, but one of the other forum members said that you have to look down the bottom right of the app to find the Prog.
Aye, just spotted it myself. Most peculiar...
Quote from: I, Cosh on 08 October, 2016, 11:57:43 AM
And then there's Flesh. I don't especially mind a recap episode. Not every strip gets or needs one but whatever. What I do mind is that this one is so completely disjointed that it left me almost more confused than when I started. I still can't figure out if pages 2 & 3 are supposed to be a spread or not. Awful stuff.
No I don't think they are a spread.
The dialogue ( Hail Mary ) carries on down page 2. Gorehead then gains the ability to shift in time at the bottom of page 2 and uses that to attack the herd in transit to Base 6 which is what is happening at the start of page 3.
Quote from: JUDGE BURNS on 01 October, 2016, 10:31:23 PM
The Royal Mail in Scotland is terrible these days. Picture below is of Emma Beeby , Gordon Rennie , Tom Foster and Colin MacNeil.
Little wonder that all the staff down at Stevie's local mistook Tom Foster's SinDex strip in the recent SciFi Special for being the product of Bolland's biro. It's
the beard. Right?
Hm, I was looking forward to Counterfeit Girl and Flesh but the prog didn't grab me.
The positives: change of pace for Dredd was welcome and Hunted was promising with lovely PJ art. In a prog of wildly varying art styles, PJ's the one that works for me. Which is surprising as I'm a b & w fan at heart.