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Hey folks,

Brendan's fantastically lovely fansite has been quiet for a few months but there's been a flurry of activity in the last few days so it's worth checking out (and checking often - apparently there's a lot of good stuff coming up).

Various Zaucer of Zilk sketches and whatnot have appeared, and my eyes are still recovering.

http://strangenessofbrendanmccarthy.blogspot.com/

(http://i.imgur.com/rawV0.jpg)

I was wondering if I'd missed something until I checked the (implied) date of the post. Interesting casting, though; do you think Gibson would be affecting a Scandinavian accent or playing to type as bigoted shitebag NBK?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QOKPwhQowZ4/T7IkSXy3h7I/AAAAAAAAAxQ/dyKYTIEYPVs/s1600/STRONTIUM-DOG.jpg)

Heh, s'funny - I got that in an email Brendan sent out... on April 14th, I think.  Really one of those moments when you question your own sanity.  Penny dropped after a minute or two, but I was on the verge, I tell you.

:o

 This is just for you Ming ,Picked up an Early 1986 McCarthy painting ....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/fatboydale/001-19.jpg)

Hah!  Not seen that one before!  Some of those Artoons are pure genius and others just freak me out.

Thanks for the plug, Ming.

Although the address above is for the blog, the main site with it's brand new front page can be found at:

http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk (http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk)

Quote from: Phuz on 16 May, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
Thanks for the plug, Ming. Although the address above is for the blog, the main site with it's brand new front page can be found at:http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk (http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk)

Worth a click for "I play the piano pool" alone: http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk (http://www.brendanmccarthy.co.uk)

As no-one else seemed interested (or even bid against me) I picked up one of Brendan's designs for ReBoot... This Bad Bob piece has a really nice Mad Max vibe...

(http://i.imgur.com/NLYBR.jpg)

Splendid catch, Ming old chap. Any chance of a hi-res scan for the site?

Odd that Brendan is pretty much ignored in wider comic fandom. That's was the reason I started the fansite those many years ago, I was sick to my soul of reading "Brendan McCarthy he's that guy who did those Shade the Changing Man covers" and I wanted to say "yes... and the rest" instead I opened Photoshop and Dreamweaver.

Quote from: Phuz on 17 May, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
Splendid catch, Ming old chap. Any chance of a hi-res scan for the site?

Absolutely - will mail you a copy when it arrives!

Quote from: Phuz on 17 May, 2012, 07:51:29 PMOdd that Brendan is pretty much ignored in wider comic fandom.

I think it has at least something to do with the total lack of reprints for all the classic work.  Most of his 2000AD work is fairly well represented, but Strange Days, Paradax, Freakwave, Skin, Rogan Josh, Sooner or Later - all criminally ignored and forgotten about except by anyone who either read them at the time or had the good fortune to pick them up later.  Despite not being on the radar of as many people as he should be, I get the impression he's rated very highly by other professionals, and rightly so.

Quote from: Phuz on 17 May, 2012, 07:51:29 PM"Brendan McCarthy he's that guy who did those Shade the Changing Man covers"

Heh, like Glen Fabry is 'that Preacher covers guy'...

Has Sooner or Later ever been reprinted?  As one of my all-time favourite strips I'd love to see it bundled in with Zaucer of Zilk in a lovely little collection (-pauses to clear drool from the keyboard-).  Swifty's Return not so much, although it did have one of my all time favourite lines (and here I paraphrase from untrustworthy memory):  "I only know she's not a natural blonde because she doesn't shave her armpits.  That sums up our relationship". 

Quote from: ming on 17 May, 2012, 08:02:16 PM
I think it has at least something to do with the total lack of reprints for all the classic work.  Most of his 2000AD work is fairly well represented, but Strange Days, Paradax, Freakwave, Skin, Rogan Josh, Sooner or Later - all criminally ignored and forgotten about except by anyone who either read them at the time or had the good fortune to pick them up later.  Despite not being on the radar of as many people as he should be, I get the impression he's rated very highly by other professionals, and rightly so.

Yes, having very little of his material in print is a major factor. I spent years (pre-eBay) tracking down Strange Days issue two. I also think that being a 2000AD artist that moved into TV/Movies instead of Superhero-ing it up at DC/Marvel didn't help.

He definitely an Artist's Artist, I know Grant Morrison and Jamie Hewlett's  early  careers would have been far different without Brendan

Quote from: TordelBack on 17 May, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
Has Sooner or Later ever been reprinted?  As one of my all-time favourite strips I'd love to see it bundled in with Zaucer of Zilk in a lovely little collection (-pauses to clear drool from the keyboard-).  Swifty's Return not so much, although it did have one of my all time favourite lines (and here I paraphrase from untrustworthy memory):  "I only know she's not a natural blonde because she doesn't shave her armpits.  That sums up our relationship".

Hah!  Great line...

But no, no reprints for Sooner or Later (apart from three issues of Quality Comics' Halo Jones, which doesn't count).  Bundled with Zaucer would be great, but I'd buy it as a standalone volume without hesitation.

Quote from: TordelBack on 17 May, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
Has Sooner or Later ever been reprinted?  As one of my all-time favourite strips I'd love to see it bundled in with Zaucer of Zilk in a lovely little collection (-pauses to clear drool from the keyboard-).  Swifty's Return not so much, although it did have one of my all time favourite lines (and here I paraphrase from untrustworthy memory):  "I only know she's not a natural blonde because she doesn't shave her armpits.  That sums up our relationship".

As Ming mentioned, Sooner or Later was very poorly reprinted in a couple of those Quality-type US comics but nowhere else. Another long neglected Milligan/McCarthy classic.

Speaking of neglected Milligan and McCarthy classics. I've almost got my hands on all the published episodes of 'Summer of Love' now I'm trying to track down the final unpublished episode. The original artwork is out there somewhere so if you have it or know who has, please contact me.

Phuz, you'd seem to be the man to ask whether Brendan's got any plans to publish another edition of his visual autobiography, Swimini Purpose?

I never found one at the time, but it sounds glorious. This interview (http://brendanmccarthy.byethost8.com/comicwork/fever.html) from around the time of Fever, mentions the prospect of an updated edition and the thought of seeing some more of the background to Zilk would keep me going through the long, Zaucer-less months ahead.

Quote from: bikini kill on 17 May, 2012, 10:29:02 PM
Phuz, you'd seem to be the man to ask whether Brendan's got any plans to publish another edition of his visual autobiography, Swimini Purpose?

Brendan said a couple of days ago that an updated version would be out in a year or two at the soonest. It's something he's always thinking about and working on. Like the first edition it'll happen when it happens, suddenly and unexpectedly. Watch for any news on my site, and when it goes on sale act quickly the last one sold out in under a week.

Quote from: Phuz on 17 May, 2012, 10:45:01 PM

Quote from: bikini kill on 17 May, 2012, 10:29:02 PM
Phuz, you'd seem to be the man to ask whether Brendan's got any plans to publish another edition of his visual autobiography, Swimini Purpose?

Brendan said a couple of days ago that an updated version would be out in a year or two at the soonest. It's something he's always thinking about and working on. Like the first edition it'll happen when it happens, suddenly and unexpectedly. Watch for any news on my site, and when it goes on sale act quickly the last one sold out in under a week.

Will do, but I'd appreciate any alert you might be able to give us here. I've been looking in on your site and Brendan's blog, but I'm normally too slow out the blocks for stuff like this.

Well bugger me, sorry to drag this back but I'm astonished to hear Sooner or Later has never been reprinted, how wonky is that. After all the Best of, Extremes and the Meg 'trades' I was stunned to learn that minor classic has never found a home!

Swimini Purpose does pop up from time to time; unfortunately it usually comes with a price tag like this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swimini-Purpose-Brendan-McCarthy-/251067503582?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item3a74ca13de

Still, worth keeping an eye open.

Quote from: ming on 22 May, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
Swimini Purpose does pop up from time to time; unfortunately it usually comes with a price tag like this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swimini-Purpose-Brendan-McCarthy-/251067503582?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item3a74ca13de

Still, worth keeping an eye open.

I was tempted until I saw the £3 postage.

I'm putting together a new bibliography for 'The Strangeness of.." site.

If you've got any magazines or fanzines which contain any of Brendan's work or feature an interview, could you let me know. I just need the name of the publication and the issue number, no need to scan the article, unless you want to :).

You can contact me via this forum or email: judgephuz@live.co.uk

All help with be greatly appreciated

I've got a few old interviews kicking around - ARK, Fantasy Advertiser, plus at least one or two more.  Will dig 'em out this evening and drop you a line.  The scanner's on the fritz for now but I'll sort scans out when it's back up (for the Bad Bob art as well).

Tar Ming

Although I may have the interviews from Ark and Fantasy Advertiser (see below). Probably best if everyone checks with me before scanning pages, as I may already have them. It's the smaller articles I'm after, mainly from Speakeasy and Comics International, and the issues of Ark/Arken Sword that aren't below. Plus any of the smaller fanzines.


(http://brendanmccarthy.co.uk/Temp/ark02.png)

(http://brendanmccarthy.co.uk/Temp/ark24.png)

(http://brendanmccarthy.co.uk/Temp/fantasyadvertiser.png)

I've got those three, plus a Speakeasy one.  Will dig that one out shortly; a nice Milligan & McCarthy piece...

Keep up the sterling work, Phuz. Our records show we are in receipt of the following:

Deadline, no.3, Deadline Publications, December 1989:
Interview by 'Frankie Stein'. A very silly interview, at that; illustrated with a great full page B/W line drawing, Merry Xmas: the King is in the all-together. Seemingly features every character he's ever created having a festive piss-up (including Mickey Swift, wearing a '© Fleetway' T shirt) , with speech bubbles reading 'YAROO!', 'Look Ma', and 'Sing it, Jack, Sing the empty song'. Small reproduction of pointilist rotring pen illustration of Ziggy-era Bowie (and explanation of why he doesn't use that style more often). Photograph of McCarthy in front of a sphinx, throwing his sets in the air in a manner which I interpreted as mystical at the time, but which I now recognise as the Spidey web slinging action. I'm sure that, to Brendan, that is a mystical gesture.

Talks of early love of The Beano, holding an Art School party with huge mounds of mash potato with sausages stuck in as "having a Beano", drinking 20 cups of stewed tea per day ("the kind the chimps drink"), playing The Smiths to his plants, designing Paradax, drawing in a trance-like state, Mirkin's origins (Martin Amis!), tabloid journalism, running up a step ladder (held by Brett Ewins) dressed as Superman at The Albert Hall as part of his modeling for Vidal Sassoon, fucking and tripping at Stonehenge, ghosts, U.F.Os, drawing vs painting, Thatcher, Dadaism, Hippies & Skinheads, "Peter Milligan is my equal in every way... the fusion of me and Pete forms something we could not do on our own", I Ching, dreams ('The Hat on the Brink'), recording dogs, method acting "I really was Mirkin, sauntering around saying Darling, how charming. More Bollinger? Ought we to be drunk every day, Sebastian?", Christmas, and his desire to possess the cover artwork for a Sixties Batman story, The House The Joker Built.

Deadline, no. 20, Deadline Publishing, July 1990:
One page Artoon, All Is Remembered All Is Forgiven. Pyramid head guy hangs upside down from Stingray-patterned gibbet. Signed 'Brendin Muck'.

Speakeasy, no. 115, (the XXX cert issue), John Brown Publishing, November 1990:
Cover only ('Eat My Life' says rubber sex doll lover of green fellow with female fetish legs for hair).

Comic World, no. 22, Aceville Publications, December 1993:
Interview only. Title, Brendan McCarthy: Hollywood Remix. Talks about Skin, Rogan Gosh, how he got the Coneheads gig, working in Hollywood, turning down The Shadow movie, Horrorville movie being optioned and scripted, pitching Doctor Dream for TV, being on standby for the Judge Dredd film, Prince Charming with Steve Barron, creator owned comic King Weird, and is breathlessly enthusiastic about his design work for the forthcoming Reboot.

He's particularly funny about Sebastian O and Zenith, "Grant Morrison's made a good living out of my work, but what can you do about it?". He also mentions his desire to do a Spiderman book with the weirdness of Dr Strange added to the mix, "I think it's within my power to come up with a new angle on it". Wonder whatever happened to that idea? The introductory paragraph references an interview (in issue 5) which I don't have. Steve Holland was the interviewer and the Editor, so that might be an angle to explore. Accompanied by some amazing B/W Coneheads concept work.

I also remember an interview from a Fleetway publication where Brendan riffs on the (loosely defined) concept of 'Pandy'. I can't remember if that was just one of those short, self-indulgent droid profiles Goldkind ran on the front-inside page of 2000ad during the mid-Nineties or something more substantial, but I'll try to find a reference for that too. My spare room now looks like a fuckin' bomb's hit it.

I know how you feel, Bikini Kill. My front room frequency looks like terrorist have paid a visit due to searching for stuff. I appreciate the sterling effort, old chap.

I've got the Deadline stuff/Speakeasy cover. Didn't know about the Comic World ones, so I'll add those to the list.

A few things I've found...

Got these:
- Ark 24, 33, 34
- Deadline 03
- Previews (Rogan Gosh interview around 1994)
- Video Guide (1991ish Highlander 2 interview)
- Time Out 20/20: Mick Jagger illustration


Haven't got these and would love some scans
- Bizarre Magazine 147 (March 2009): salute to the heroes of British comics
- Fan-fan-zene (2001)
- CUT (July 1989) Brendan McCarthy interview
- Black and White Magazine issue 67



Also has anyone got a decent scan of this Dredd pic by Brendan. It appeared in a 1986 Australian Comics Convention booklet:

(http://brendanmccarthy.co.uk/Temp/DreddOZ.jpg)

I've made enquiries about that Oz pic - will let you know if anything turns up.

Meanwhile, Speakeasy #71 (February 1987): pages 7 and 9.  Paradax-related piece; can scan it if you need it (but I'll be away until the end of next week).

"...Milligan and McCarthy are the Quentin Crisp and Aubrey Beardsley of comics."

(http://i.imgur.com/XBlIP.jpg)

Thanks Ming

I was outbid for Speakeasy 71 on eBay a few days ago, so scans would be grand. Especially the cover, you can never have too much Mirkin

Does anyone know which issue of Rock Power contained the Dredd story 'The Ballad of Toad MacFarlane' (art by Brendan) which was later reprinted in the Megazine

Does this pic on eBay look a bit odd, or is it just me?

http://r.ebay.com/Dy6f5C

This one looks a bit looser than his usual style.

Andy

It's a pretty old piece, so it's probably legit (I've asked Brendan for confirmation, anyway).  The Mirkin looks a little different to his general appearance, but is in line with some sketches I've seen.  With Mirkin and Paradax! this is definitely a rarity - although I've got better!

Well it looks like a real rarity - a fake McCarthy.

From Brendan: "Bizarre... a fake Paradax! picture. Not a bad attempt. Wonder who's behind it?"

Blimey I was right. I'd love a bit of Mirkin though.

Quote from: ming on 26 October, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
Well it looks like a real rarity - a fake McCarthy.

From Brendan: "Bizarre... a fake Paradax! picture. Not a bad attempt. Wonder who's behind it?"

Is Mr McCarthy sure !!! couple of reasons pop up ..... why a Paradax picture ??? it looks like it has some age to it and the whole complex of the art seems too much .... and the and the signature & Artoons rings a bell ...if you was gonna fake it , you would draw a more popular character , like Dredd ???

I bought a page of art directly from an Artist at a small con, he told me it was a early student / promo piece of his ...10 years went by and i wanted it signed .... the Artist told me it wasn't his and must be a fake and pointed out the problems .....

My point been Artists tend to forget artwork they have drawn .....and if i was a betting man i would say it was Original ...

I'm bearing in mind the weekend I became convinced that Cam Kennedy's cover for The Suspect (342) may actually have been drawn by Jim Baikie here, but the inking style of that piece doesn't look to me like it represents any period of McCarthy with which I'm familiar. It features really clean, deliberate, dead-weighted brush lines; more redolent of someone like Steve Rude than The New McCarthyism.

Warming to my theme, I'm going to confidently declare that there's none of the eccentricity or personality you'd expect from our Bren' evident in the lines of the zig-zagging lightning effect, the crooked little finger, or the flare around the waving hand. I've only seen a couple of examples of McCarthy's work in the flesh, but each amazed me because upon close examination the technique and individual details appeared quite careless; yet when you took in the image as a whole it resolved itself into something quite masterful.

Now I've typed all that, Brendan will get in touch with Ming to say he remembers doing that artoon after all. Actually, while googling Paradax art to find a comparison, this further denial from McCarthy on Bleeding Cool came up:

ONLY THE TRUE McCARTHY DENIES HIS DIVINITY (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/27/fake-brendan-mccarthy-paradax-art-on-ebay/)

The seller claims to be "a comic book artist of 20 years plus which adds to my belief!" and adds rather cheekily, "How sure is (McCarthy), and for why?". I wonder who Robot Dave24 could be?

Curiouser and curiouser!
To my untrained eye, and especially now that doubts have been cast, im not sure that this is Brendan's work, either.
(But relating to what Sauchie touched upon, that Angel gang pin-up that i thought was by McMahon, turned out to be by Cam Kennedy, so what do i know!)

Interesting to note that it made Bleeding Cool so quickly, as well.

All I can say is that Brendan seemed pretty sure that this is a fake (reinforced by the Bleeding Cool comments), and my impression of him is that he really isn't that precious about his early work - if something is technically a bit rough and not something he's happy with now, he just says so.  'That old stuff', kind of thing.

Anyway, I contacted the seller with the info and had a reply saying that he's trying to get to the bottom of it with Brendan.  I guess the sale should be binned, but I doubt anyone'll go near it anyway.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 October, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
(But relating to what Sauchie touched upon, that Angel gang pin-up that i thought was by McMahon, turned out to be by Cam Kennedy, so what do i know!)

Just curious... This one? (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bovnzVBNxs0/T0TIbrp790I/AAAAAAAADpo/Tshqx3xlTLM/s1600/judge%2Bdredd_angel%2Bgang_prog%2B196.jpg)

If so, that's not Kennedy...

Cheers!

Jim

Yep, thats the one. Wasnt there a thread - or a good part of a thread about this, and it was confirmed that that piece was by Cam?
Never could quite get my head around it TBH.

FREE BEER AND COMPULSORY SPLIT-CROTCH PANTIES (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G4940E_iKGg/T99R-A93d9I/AAAAAAAAA1Q/t5dRGtQQ1Xo/s1600/paradax+strip+aids+(120+dpi).png)

Resuming my Andrew Graham Dixon impersonation, looking at even just the first panel of the strip in the link above, the lines aren't as smooth and tapering as the supposed artoon, the thicker outlines and edges of the solid blacks are more ragged, the line forming the outline of the baloon doesn't quite describe a perfect closed circle in quite an endearing way.

Anyway, more fannying about turned up this podcast where Brendan talks about his set visit to the new Mad Max film, the creation of Zaucer of Zilk and reprints of McCarthy's 80's stuff, including Paradax, Electic Hoax, Freakwave, Skin and Skreemer. Very excited, since I haven't read even half of that:

INTERVIEW AT 1:03:40 (http://www.orbitalcomics.com/the-orbiting-pod-episode-85/)

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 07:20:58 PM

Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 October, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
(But relating to what Sauchie touched upon, that Angel gang pin-up that i thought was by McMahon, turned out to be by Cam Kennedy, so what do i know!)

Just curious... This one? (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bovnzVBNxs0/T0TIbrp790I/AAAAAAAADpo/Tshqx3xlTLM/s1600/judge%2Bdredd_angel%2Bgang_prog%2B196.jpg)

If so, that's not Kennedy...

Cheers!

Jim

This was discussed back in April after Pete included the Angel Gang pin-up in a McMahon post on his covers blog.  I checked with Cam and he confirmed it was one of his, not Mick's.

Quote from: ming on 15 April, 2012, 12:24:35 PM

Quote from: Judge Jack on 29 March, 2012, 06:41:39 PM
I still cant quite square that in my mind as being drawn by Cam.
Ming, hurry up and ask him!  ;)

From Cam:
"From this old fuddled memory I seem to remember the editor askin' me if I could adhere to Mike's style. I have vague memories of Mike bein' ill for a period of time and I suppose they were obsessed with continuity."

:)

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The seller claims to be "a comic book artist of 20 years plus which adds to my belief!" and adds rather cheekily, "How sure is (McCarthy), and for why?". I wonder who Robot Dave24 could be?
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Well its not fucking me ....,I own pages of McCarthy and tbh some of his art does not look like his ...for instance :
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/fatboydale/002-21.jpg)


its just baffles me that anybody would copy a low value picture ...

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 07:35:37 PM

This was discussed back in April after Pete included the Angel Gang pin-up in a McMahon post on his covers blog.  I checked with Cam and he confirmed it was one of his, not Mick's.

That's odd, because Dave Gibbons told me that the pin-up was the only time he ever inked McMahon back when they shared a studio.

Cheers

Jim

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 07:20:58 PM

Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 October, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
(But relating to what Sauchie touched upon, that Angel gang pin-up that i thought was by McMahon, turned out to be by Cam Kennedy, so what do i know!)

Just curious... This one? (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bovnzVBNxs0/T0TIbrp790I/AAAAAAAADpo/Tshqx3xlTLM/s1600/judge%2Bdredd_angel%2Bgang_prog%2B196.jpg)

If so, that's not Kennedy...

Cheers!

Jim

Yes.  ...and now the penny drops.  I finally remembered the comments about this being Dave Gibbons inking Mick's pencils, not Cam at all... Possibly Cam was just referring to the Slaine covers he did in an usual style, although I tried to be clear when discussing this with him.  I'll dig a little deeper...

This thread's going way off track, but hey.

:)

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 07:47:00 PM

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 07:35:37 PM

This was discussed back in April after Pete included the Angel Gang pin-up in a McMahon post on his covers blog.  I checked with Cam and he confirmed it was one of his, not Mick's.

That's odd, because Dave Gibbons told me that the pin-up was the only time he ever inked McMahon back when they shared a studio.

Cheers

Jim

Only time i will ever agree with Jim .... i saw the other thread and didn't want to be ridiculed for supporting who did that art ....

So, Mick McMahon pencils and Dave Gibbons inks?
Do kinda remember this was mentioned in the other thread.

Looking at it in B&W, I can definitely see that as Gibbons / McMahon (still gets a Cam Kennedy credit in Barney).  Anyway, if I get confirmation from Mick, I guess it's settled.  Art-spotting rarely gets that complicated with 2000AD, but it can be fecking confusing at times.

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 08:00:24 PM
Looking at it in B&W, I can definitely see that as Gibbons / McMahon (still gets a Cam Kennedy credit in Barney).  Anyway, if I get confirmation from Mick, I guess it's settled.  Art-spotting rarely gets that complicated with 2000AD, but it can be fecking confusing at times.

Yeah. I had a conversation with Dave about it on Twitter. He spotted the blacks for Mick on the Fink story, and laid down some flat colors on one of the annual stories for him, but that pin-up is the only time he actually did full inks over Mick's pencils. The lettering at the bottom is a dead giveaway for Dave's hand, too.

Cheers!

Jim

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 08:00:24 PM
Looking at it in B&W, I can definitely see that as Gibbons / McMahon (still gets a Cam Kennedy credit in Barney).  Anyway, if I get confirmation from Mick, I guess it's settled.  Art-spotting rarely gets that complicated with 2000AD, but it can be fecking confusing at times.

She's my sister (slap!), she's my daughter (slap!), she's my sister and my daughter!   My head hurts.

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
Possibly Cam was just referring to the Slaine covers he did in an usual style, although I tried to be clear when discussing this with him.  I'll dig a little deeper...

I recall being one of the petitioners on this very board to get those three Slaine covers re-attributed to Cam on BARNEY. I'm slightly disappointed to learn that the historically curious McMahon/Gibbons combo remains mis-attributed...!

And, yes, apologies for the thread drift, but I fuckin' love this stuff. :-)

Cheers!

Jim

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 08:13:44 PMAnd, yes, apologies for the thread drift, but I fuckin' love this stuff. :-)

You and me both, Jim.

:D

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 08:08:12 PM
Yeah. I had a conversation with Dave about it on Twitter. He spotted the blacks for Mick on the Fink story, and laid down some flat colors on one of the annual stories for him, but that pin-up is the only time he actually did full inks over Mick's pencils. The lettering at the bottom is a dead giveaway for Dave's hand, too.

Cheers!

Jim

Well, if were all happy to have a little bit of thread drift before things return to normal...
Just wondering Jim, but did Dave mention which Annual stories in particular he helped out on?

Quote from: Judge Jack on 28 October, 2012, 10:53:22 AM
Well, if were all happy to have a little bit of thread drift before things return to normal...
Just wondering Jim, but did Dave mention which Annual stories in particular he helped out on?

I don't think he could recall. He was at pains to stress that he had no creative input at all, though -- he literally put the colours Mick chose in the places Mick told him to!

Cheers

Jim

Ah thanks for that. Just curious as i have some pages, by Mick, from the Annuals.
Mick does mention - i think, on his blog about when he and Dave shared a studio, though i cant find the post. (Think its mentioned only in passing really.) And that Dave helped out in a time-saving capacity more than anything else.
Still, ALL these little nuggets are very interesting.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 28 October, 2012, 12:57:04 PM
Ah thanks for that. Just curious as i have some pages, by Mick, from the Annuals.
Mick does mention - i think, on his blog about when he and Dave shared a studio, though i cant find the post. (Think its mentioned only in passing really.) And that Dave helped out in a time-saving capacity more than anything else.
Still, ALL these little nuggets are very interesting.

AAArrr that makes your art slightly worth less ... or does it make it worth more ....???

The art is priceless, Dale  ;)
I suspect, given the dates - Fink story, and the Angel Gang pin-up, that Dave did some colouring work on the 1982 Annual stories for Mick? I havent owt from that.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 October, 2012, 08:13:44 PM

Quote from: ming on 27 October, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
Possibly Cam was just referring to the Slaine covers he did in an usual style, although I tried to be clear when discussing this with him.  I'll dig a little deeper...

I recall being one of the petitioners on this very board to get those three Slaine covers re-attributed to Cam on BARNEY. I'm slightly disappointed to learn that the historically curious McMahon/Gibbons combo remains mis-attributed...!

And, yes, apologies for the thread drift, but I fuckin' love this stuff. :-)

Cheers!

Jim

Last night, Mick confirmed that he did the pencils for the Angel Gang pin-up, which was then inked by Dave Gibbons.  I'll post in the Barney thread and hopefully get that credit corrected asap.  Good to finally be able to stop scratching my head over this!

:)

Quote from: ming on 28 October, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
Last night, Mick confirmed that he did the pencils for the Angel Gang pin-up, which was then inked by Dave Gibbons.  I'll post in the Barney thread and hopefully get that credit corrected asap.  Good to finally be able to stop scratching my head over this!

Heh. Don't suppose Mick remembers which Dredd story Dave put down some flat colours for, does he? Pretty sure Dave doesn't, but the '81 or '82 Dredd Annuals are the prime suspects...

Cheers!

Jim

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 October, 2012, 07:18:36 PMHeh. Don't suppose Mick remembers which Dredd story Dave put down some flat colours for, does he? Pretty sure Dave doesn't, but the '81 or '82 Dredd Annuals are the prime suspects...

I'll ask next time I get in touch... Will post any info here - as good a place as any!

Update from the seller via Bleeding Cool about the non-McCarthy...

"I placed this on eBay thinking it was 100% genuine. It's a really good copy as it turns out. After contact with Brendan McCarthy I've been assured it's a fake and have removed it from sale. I may burn it! The comment I made that was quoted was to a friend of Brendan's who first told me it might be fake, and I stress might, at that point. I waited to get confirmation from Mr McCarthy, who I consider a British comic book God, and then ended the sale. Both Brendan and I have been scammed. I'm shocked this made it onto Bleeding cool and hope folk out there realise I wasn't trying to scam anyone."

Hurray! Cheers for the update, Ming.

And the thread is back on track once again. (at least until the Mick/Dave updates come through!)

Quote from: ming on 28 October, 2012, 08:28:57 PM
The comment I made that was quoted was to a friend of Brendan's who first told me it might be fake

Anyone we know?  ;)

Looks like I opened a proper can of worms, it was just meant to be an off the cuff question.

There was a time when you couldn't get a piece of Brendan's art for love or money. I looked for a piece for years, now he has Mr Moy as a dealer I maybe own too much.

Also loving the McMahon/Gibbons info. I guess the common theme is you know when something is not just not quite right.

Dave Elliot posted in the Bleeding Cool thread concerning the non-McCarthy art:

"Oh WOW! I know where this came from AND who did it and WHY!!

What I don't know is how the seller got their hands on it...

The piece was done by ME in the late 80's, possibly early 90's (I think) when I was an inker for Marvel and Fleetway. I did it to show Brendan what my inks would look like over his pencils. He'd told me he was going to do some Dredd stories and was thinking of having someone else ink him. Turns out he'd already promised Steve Whitaker who did an amazing job inking him.

As to why someone ended up with it, I'm scratching my head. Too long ago. May have been donated to a UKCAC (United Kingdom Comic Art Convention) auction."

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/front-page-comic-news/63762-fake-brendan-mccarthy-paradax-art-ebay.html

Cheers again, Ming. Would the McCarthy Dredd stories Elliot was trying out for, which went to Steve Whitaker, have been the centre page spreads of the episodes of Oz where the Judda show up and start barbecuing cloned judges (551-552)? Whitaker's only credited on 552, but both those colour spreads have cleaner lines and a much more tame colour palette than the spreads McCarthy did for 558-560.

559 (The Lost Tribe) and 560 (Halls of Judda) are particular favourites of mine, probably because I'd only (relatively) recently decided that my initial frustration with McCarthy's art (loose inking and it looked like he was taking the pish out of Dredd) was misplaced and that he was in fact the god-like genius the cover of 473 (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=473&Comic=2000ad)  had suggested. I think Pit Rat (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=524&Comic=2000ad) (523-524) and this spread (http://i.imgur.com/d3k85.jpg) had a lot to do with changing my mind. If the art on Oz had been an exclusively Kennedy/McCarthy joint - as originally intended - I think it would have been second only to Necropolis as my favourite epic, in terms of visuals.

The guy who owns my local record shop owned (for all I know still owns) and refused to sell 560's double page spread to me. He always said he'd have to investigate how much it was worth, and if he did his homework properly I'm sure I wouldn't be able to afford it anyway. The thought that beautiful thing might still be moldering away in a stock room causes me physical pain.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 28 October, 2012, 07:18:36 PMHeh. Don't suppose Mick remembers which Dredd story Dave put down some flat colours for, does he? Pretty sure Dave doesn't, but the '81 or '82 Dredd Annuals are the prime suspects...

Cheers!

Jim

Vampire Effect (1982 Dredd Annual).

:)

And the last piece of the jigsaw falls into place! Great stuff, David - had sorta thought it would be the '82 Annual.

Quote from: ming on 31 October, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
Vampire Effect (1982 Dredd Annual).

Belatedly: awesome. Thanks for checking!

Cheers

Jim

Nearly all of the Zaucer of Zilk pages have turned up at Mr Moy's place

http://www.albertmoy.com/ArtistGalleryTitleDetails.asp?ArtistId=741&Mag=The+Zaucer+of+Zilk (http://www.albertmoy.com/ArtistGalleryTitleDetails.asp?ArtistId=741&Mag=The+Zaucer+of+Zilk)

Quote from: AndyLee on 14 November, 2012, 09:16:49 PM
Nearly all of the Zaucer of Zilk pages have turned up at Mr Moy's place

http://www.albertmoy.com/ArtistGalleryTitleDetails.asp?ArtistId=741&Mag=The+Zaucer+of+Zilk (http://www.albertmoy.com/ArtistGalleryTitleDetails.asp?ArtistId=741&Mag=The+Zaucer+of+Zilk)

Wow! I never realised Brendan hand coloured some of Zilk. I'm tempted by some of that.

I can think of a few on here thatll be tempted.

Er...

Ohhhh so want one of these but my limited funds are going to go into a Nikolai Dante page (fingers crossed I get the one I'm thinking of... or see something that tempts me more) this weekend at Thought Bubble.

So if you could all just not buy any that I like until the new year, you know it'd be appreciated...

... what good will and kindness not enough these days... bah!

Don't forget to factor in Albert's shipping charges (which will be about £50 from the US, even for a single sheet of A3 art).  I'm combining my order with someone else to bring the shipping cost down, so that's a possibility.

Do you know if any other bits of Brendan's art will be popping up on Alberts site, Ming?
Wasnt there mention of that Anderson strip he drew for IDW going on there, or am i mis-remembering?

Brendan sold all the Zaucer art (including designs and character sketches) to Albert as a job lot.  Albert has been holding it back until IDW issue two of Zaucer came out, but I don't think anything else is due to surface; the Anderson art didn't go to Albert as far as I'm aware.  I know it was going to be sold, but not as individual pages, just a one-off sale.

Ahh, i see.

BTW, i heard this about Brendan's art the other day, you may know this already Ming, but occasionally some of his pieces are sold at Orbital comics in London?
Bet you have to be quick off the mark to snag anything, though.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 15 November, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
Ahh, i see.

BTW, i heard this about Brendan's art the other day, you may know this already Ming, but occasionally some of his pieces are sold at Orbital comics in London?
Bet you have to be quick off the mark to snag anything, though.

Interesting! I've never seen any when I've been in. I picked up two Shakey Kane pages there by pure chance one day. Mike Lake had a wee spot selling original art & posters but he disappeared. Brill shop, best in London.

Quote from: AndyLee on 15 November, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
I picked up two Shakey Kane pages there by pure chance one day.

Was they pages from Bulletproof Coffin?

Quote from: Judge Jack on 16 November, 2012, 10:11:39 AM

Quote from: AndyLee on 15 November, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
I picked up two Shakey Kane pages there by pure chance one day.

Was they pages from Bulletproof Coffin?

Oh yes

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5224/5569442402_116becbe62.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/5569442402/)
Shaky Kane original art - Bulletproof Coffin #1 cover (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/5569442402/) by Andy Lee - ★☆☆☆☆ (http://www.flickr.com/people/24992274@N00/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5012/5569441548_0ddeaa7ed6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/5569441548/)
Shaky Kane original art - Bulletproof Coffin splash (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/5569441548/) by Andy Lee - ★☆☆☆☆ (http://www.flickr.com/people/24992274@N00/), on Flickr

Pure luck

Sweet! (ive given some thought to picking this up this series, caught a site yonks ago showing full page preview's and they looked a damn fine read - must get e-bay checking again).

But yes, id heard that occasionally some of Brendan's stuff, along with bits by Shaky - specifically Bulletproof Coffin, pop up for grabs at Oribital.
(Reminds me of the time of when a lot of comic shops offered original art for sale. Though they was unfortunately out of reach for me, then.)

BTW, have you ever seen owt else on offer?

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 November, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
Ohhhh so want one of these...

So if you could all just not buy any that I like until the new year, you know it'd be appreciated...

Same here, thanks chaps!

News!

Well, you're definitely at least as Irish as Tony Cascarino. Is there a collected edition of Zaucer of Zilk confirmed? And if so, will it be in the U.K.'s 2000AD format or the U.S.'s IDW format?

IDW's Chris Ryall has talked about doing a deluxe, slightly oversized edition (something along the lines of DC's recent Flex Mentallo collection) as a kind of director's cut version, so The Zaucer of Zilk can be presented as I originally intended, with my design layouts, extra pages and some text by Al Ewing. I think this would realistically be at least a year or more down the line. Personally, I would prefer to see the U.S. edition size over the truncated U.K. format version.

It might be a good idea for IDW to plan the release for around the time of a forthcoming 220 pages Best of Milligan & McCarthy collection, which is due out September 2013. Expect a big announcement on that from a major comics company soon. It will include pretty much all the classic '80s material from Peter Milligan and myself: Paradax!, Rogan Gosh, Skin, Freakwave, etc., plus some early, archival snippets from The Electrick Hoax and Summer of Love. As most of our stuff has been out of print for the last 20 years, it will be a good chance to read and collect some of the best historical strips from the '80s U.K. comic explosion.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/robot-6-qa-brendan-mccarthy-on-ending-the-zaucer-of-zilk/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/11/robot-6-qa-brendan-mccarthy-on-ending-the-zaucer-of-zilk/)

Quote from: Ancient Otter on 20 November, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
Personally, I would prefer to see the U.S. edition size over the truncated U.K. format version.

Surely that should be the other way around?

Sorry if this is pissing on anyone's chips but there's a copy of Swimini Purpose on eBay at the mo... These don't come up very often, so if you're looking for one this may be your chance (and no, I'm not selling mine).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swimini-Purpose-By-Brendan-McCarthy-Signed-/121028648995?pt=UK_Books_comics_Magazines_UK_Comics_ET&hash=item1c2ddea023



Oh, and I stuck pics of a couple of Zaucer of Zilk pages in the original art thread for anyone interested.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,28546.msg728490.html#msg728490

Quote from: ming on 29 November, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
Sorry if this is pissing on anyone's chips but there's a copy of Swimini Purpose on eBay at the mo... These don't come up very often, so if you're looking for one this may be your chance (and no, I'm not selling mine).

Cheers, Ming. That was the first time I've bid for anything on ebay and I managed to get outbid without ever entering a successful bid myself. The process of entering £1 above the minimum bid until I reached my limit, while sitting in my living room wearing two layers of clothes so I don't have to turn the heating up, felt nothing like being Roger Moore or Cary Grant in the auction room scenes from Octopussy and North By Northwest. I can see why folk end up buying useless shite nobody else actually wants, just so they can get at least one successful bid accepted.

Dont feel too bad about it Sauchie, what little i know about McCarthyismn is that his early stuff is hard to come by and will always attract a premium.

I missed on the chance to pick that up at the time, shame on me! 
Great quote from that interview 'is Maus really better than The Numbskulls?'

Quote from: we are all roger godpleton on 29 November, 2012, 10:28:49 PM

Quote from: ming on 29 November, 2012, 08:40:22 PM
Sorry if this is pissing on anyone's chips but there's a copy of Swimini Purpose on eBay at the mo... These don't come up very often, so if you're looking for one this may be your chance (and no, I'm not selling mine).

Cheers, Ming. That was the first time I've bid for anything on ebay and I managed to get outbid without ever entering a successful bid myself. The process of entering £1 above the minimum bid until I reached my limit, while sitting in my living room wearing two layers of clothes so I don't have to turn the heating up, felt nothing like being Roger Moore or Cary Grant in the auction room scenes from Octopussy and North By Northwest. I can see why folk end up buying useless shite nobody else actually wants, just so they can get at least one successful bid accepted.

If it's any consolation (it's probably not) I think the current bid (£36) is still less than I had to pay for my copy back in 2005, just after the book came out.  Being limited to 500 copies, these are always going to be in demand (even if we get a Swimini 2).

Quote from: ming on 30 November, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
If it's any consolation (it's probably not) I think the current bid (£36) is still less than I had to pay for my copy back in 2005, just after the book came out.  Being limited to 500 copies, these are always going to be in demand (even if we get a Swimini 2).

??? I bid more than 36 quid. Strangeness indeed.

The finishing price on that copy of Swimini Purpose certainly made me shake my head... £247.50.  Ouch.

:o

Probably goes some way to explain someone else putting a copy up on eBay yesterday (not me).

There's another one up now: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWIMINI-PURPOSE-Brendan-McCarthy-ULTRA-RARE-SIGNED-Artbook-/190764335294?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3893363216187492551%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121028648995%26

Not sure why anyone would want to sell the book, frankly. It's really good.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 December, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
There's another one up now: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWIMINI-PURPOSE-Brendan-McCarthy-ULTRA-RARE-SIGNED-Artbook-/190764335294?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D3893363216187492551%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121028648995%26

Not sure why anyone would want to sell the book, frankly. It's really good.

Quote from: ming on 03 December, 2012, 11:02:00 AM£247.50.

Other than that figure, I agree entirely - it's a great book and looks like being pretty much irreplaceable unless you pay silly money.

Quote from: ming on 03 December, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
The finishing price on that copy of Swimini Purpose certainly made me shake my head... £247.50.  Ouch.

I thought it may go for a decent amount, but im as shocked as you Ming, with the final price.
Prior to this sale, what would have been a realistic figure for this?

Quote from: ming on 03 December, 2012, 11:34:25 AMOther than that figure

Well, there is that. I guess if you need the money and have no choice, selling the book makes sense. Otherwise, it's not one you're going to get back again at some point in the future.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 03 December, 2012, 04:30:55 PM

Quote from: ming on 03 December, 2012, 11:02:00 AM
The finishing price on that copy of Swimini Purpose certainly made me shake my head... £247.50.  Ouch.

I thought it may go for a decent amount, but im as shocked as you Ming, with the final price.
Prior to this sale, what would have been a realistic figure for this?

£100?  Maybe a bit more?  I've not really kept my eye on listings for a good while.  Will be interesting to see where the currently listed copy finishes.  Bear in mind this cost about £25 when it came out in 2005 (500 copies only).

Brendan has drawn the backup story in the second issue of IDW's Dredd title

More here...

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/01/exclusive-preview-judge-dredd-2/

It looks like the 'Best of Milligan & McCarthy' is due out in September... From Brendan:

"Everything is in the collection, Rogan Gosh, Skin, Strange Days, etc. All in full, except Hoax and Sooner or later. and the early Freakwaves, which will be abridged with commentary. It should be the definitive collection!"

:)

BACK ISSUE #63 from Two Morrows publishing is the "British Invasion" issue!

http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1069

There's a pro 2 pro interview between Brendan McCarthy & Pete Milligan.

A preview issue is available on Issuu

http://issuu.com/twomorrows/docs/backissue63preview/3

Looks good, Andy - will be picking that one up at some point!

Two bits of lovely vintage (1984) McCarthy weirdness, picked up this morning...  I like these even more than I thought I would.


(http://i.imgur.com/wmZxMng.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/wLg1fNc.jpg)

That first one in particular is wonderful!  Love to have that blown-up over the breakfast table.

Yeah, the first one especially is a delight.  I showed these to Brendan and he expressed some fondness for them; it amazed me that he even remembered them, nearly thirty years and thousands of doodles later.

Looking at these, one thing that occurred to me is that on no account should Henry Flint and Brendan McCarthy ever be put in the same room.  The consequences would be too brain-meltingly strange and unpredictable and would need to be viewed from orbit, if at all.  Hmmm... that gave me an idea.

Quote from: TordelBack on 12 February, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
That first one in particular is wonderful!  Love to have that blown-up over the breakfast table.

Dear God no, those eyes, THOSE EYES. They're terrifying. Its quite brilliant!

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 12 February, 2013, 10:51:22 AM

Quote from: TordelBack on 12 February, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
That first one in particular is wonderful!  Love to have that blown-up over the breakfast table.

Dear God no, those eyes, THOSE EYES. They're terrifying. Its quite brilliant!

You should see what I have in that spot at the moment!  http://www.lessing-photo.com/dispimg.asp?i=070101+4+&cr=3&cl=1 (http://www.lessing-photo.com/dispimg.asp?i=070101+4+&cr=3&cl=1)

YIKE!

Quote from: ming on 12 February, 2013, 09:39:14 AM
Two bits of lovely vintage (1984) McCarthy weirdness, picked up this morning...  I like these even more than I thought I would.


(http://i.imgur.com/wmZxMng.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/wLg1fNc.jpg)

Smashing pieces David, they really jump out and grab you, dont they.

I saw them on eBay as well. Nearly put in a snipe bid but the flu got my brain. Lovely pieces David.

A wee reminder that The Complete Zaucer is out on March 27th.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/a-reminder-from-brendan-mccarthy-buy-the-complete-zaucer/

(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/zaucer-teaser.jpg)

Extras you say? yes please

I can't find this listed on Amazon... I've been looking for weeks...  :(

Only place I've found it to pre-order in the UK is at FP

http://forbiddenplanet.com/97182-complete-zaucer-of-zilk/

Thank you!  :D

A great opportunity to post this again!
:lol:
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/Zaucer206-3_zps7acc062c.jpg)

Great page, that!  :)

While we're using this as an excuse to unleash more McCarthy goodness, I guess my commission can go in here (it's a year since I posted this elsewhere)...


(http://i.imgur.com/uqbR8ZO.jpg)


It's apparently included in the forthcoming 'Best of Milligan & McCarthy' book :D

Quote from: ming on 06 March, 2013, 09:59:50 AM
Great page, that!  :)

While we're using this as an excuse to unleash more McCarthy goodness, I guess my commission can go in here (it's a year since I posted this elsewhere)...


(http://i.imgur.com/uqbR8ZO.jpg)


It's apparently included in the forthcoming 'Best of Milligan & McCarthy' book :D

It deserves to be in a book, that's brilliant!

Quote from: Skullmo on 06 March, 2013, 10:42:46 AMIt deserves to be in a book, that's brilliant!

Thanks!  And there's no digital colouring on that, all done by hand... Brendan admitted he got a bit carried away.

Quote from: ming on 06 March, 2013, 10:48:31 AM

Quote from: Skullmo on 06 March, 2013, 10:42:46 AMIt deserves to be in a book, that's brilliant!

Thanks!  And there's no digital colouring on that, all done by hand... Brendan admitted he got a bit carried away.

I love his colouring. He makes it all look so effortless! A real genius! When is this book coming out?

Quote from: Skullmo on 06 March, 2013, 11:07:30 AMWhen is this book coming out?

All set for September, although I don't think the publisher has been announced yet.

After that, it would be great if Brendan could put together a follow-up to Swimini Purpose...

Or even reprint Swimini Purpose for those of us that missed getting it! :D

Why don't we propose to help him create the follow up? I am sure he is really busy.

Apropo of nothing: A Punk band came to Limerick called 'Anti-Product' and their poster seemed to be a rendering of their likenesses by either Brendan McCarthy or a very good impersonator. I kept a copy. Anybody know anything about that?

Doesnt Brendan live over in Ireland now?
He could have done the poster for the Limerick gig. Are 'Anti-Product' an Irish band?

Actually no: they're britishers britishers and yanks I think,- the poster even has a chap in a Union-Jack shirt...
I guess if nobody's heard of it, it's just a very similar style and not Mr McCarthy at all, at all.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 06 March, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
Doesnt Brendan live over in Ireland now?

Lives in Galway or Clare, I think.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 March, 2013, 10:16:58 PM

Quote from: Judge Jack on 06 March, 2013, 10:07:46 PM
Doesnt Brendan live over in Ireland now?

Lives in Galway or Clare, I think.

You're outside his gaff in a brown balaclava right now, aren't you?

I don't venture out West much, it's too wild.

Quote from: darnmarr on 06 March, 2013, 10:14:48 PM
Actually no: they're britishers britishers and yanks I think,- the poster even has a chap in a Union-Jack shirt... I guess if nobody's heard of it, it's just a very similar style and not Mr McCarthy at all, at all.

The Union flag's a generic punk image. Is this  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JjUK_TkYw3o#t=40s) them?

Yep, and they're all wearing more-or-less the same outfits/hair as this photo 'cept for the two chaps who're bedecked in separate Union Jack Stars and Stripes combinations... which dates it around 2005. I think.

(http://www.metalsludge.tv/main/modules/subjects/pages/AntiProductTourDiary.jpg)

Quote from: sauchie on 06 March, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
The Union flag's a generic punk image.

Aye, the use of the Union Flag is widespread. Cant beat a bit of Tartan, as well. Punk staples, both of 'em.

(http://i.imgur.com/yezuqvh.jpg)

Quote from: darnmarr on 06 March, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
Apropo of nothing: A Punk band came to Limerick called 'Anti-Product' and their poster seemed to be a rendering of their likenesses by either Brendan McCarthy or a very good impersonator. I kept a copy. Anybody know anything about that?

If you can pass along a pic I can run it by Brendan...  Either way, it'd be interesting to see it!

QuoteI don't venture out West much, it's too wild.

Its where all the good looking people are though :)

On the punk thing I think Brendan did some art for Ska bands years ago.

(http://i.imgur.com/VGFCtth.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/P0cN9P8.jpg)

I've had these pics kicking about for years - I knew they'd come in useful eventually!

While we're on the McCarthy / Ska thing - last year, David Hine did a great post on his blog about Dr Cypher...

http://www.waitingfortrade.com/2012/01/brendan-mccarthy-dr-cyper.html

(and posted a load of Electrick Hoax episodes before that).

Thats the one, the Specials, a mate of mine had that as a back patch, remember them? Its for putting on the back of a jacket.

Wow! They're mahvellous!

Oh man.  I love The Specials, and I love McCarthy, together they're almost too wonderful.  And that Lydon is magnificent too.  You do have the nicest things to share Ming!

(http://i.imgur.com/P0cN9P8.jpg)

The character find of 1976! It's extraordinary how that image manages to be both a near-photographic likeness and the very essence of great comic art. Thanks for that Ming - I can't help wondering what other surprises you have in your drawers.

Quote from: ming on 08 March, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
If you can pass along a pic I can run it by Brendan...  Either way, it'd be interesting to see it!

I'll post it up here monday.

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=SCIFI96&Comic=specials

I always thought this was by Brendan McCarthy working with someone else - and yet it is unknown. Anyone know the secret of 'Loaf' ?

Quote from: Skullmo on 21 March, 2013, 11:24:59 AM
http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=SCIFI96&Comic=specials

I always thought this was by Brendan McCarthy working with someone else - and yet it is unknown. Anyone know the secret of 'Loaf' ?

I've never thought about that but now you've said it and looking at it I can certainly see exactly where you're coming from. Even the way its signed 'loaf 96' seems to be in Mr McCarthy's style.

So what I'm saying really (and annoyingly) is no idea, but bloody good question.

Ming will know!

Quote from: Skullmo on 21 March, 2013, 01:07:44 PM
Ming will know!

Indeed!

Loaf was one of Brendan's pseudonyms; not sure when this first cropped up or how widely this was used but I remember seeing 'The Meaning of Loaf' in Deadline back in the day (#10; 1989) and there was no doubt in my mind who was behind it.  A few more Loaf contributions followed in later issues of Deadline and there's that previously mentioned Mean Machine Sci-Fi Special cover (1996?).  Other than that, I don't recall much.

(http://i.imgur.com/hUTE9vW.jpg)

Sorry 'bout the delay... anyhoo whatcha reckon? or is it all in my head?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/246513_574687055884432_1859077371_n.jpg)

For me, it seems a bit too subdued to be Brendan. Plus the body proportions are a bit off, and he is a master at long legs!

It reminds me more of Philip Bond.

I agree - looks very much like Philip Bond, especially the girl on the far right...

Quote from: Skullmo on 24 March, 2013, 06:14:22 PM
For me, it seems a bit too subdued to be Brendan. Plus the body proportions are a bit off, and he is a master at long legs! It reminds me more of Philip Bond.

Aye, it instantly put me in mind of Bond's run on The Invisibles (bald fella, Union Flag, girls in leathers and fishnets), although it's obviously not him either. As skullmo says, the relative proportions of heads and bodies in that picture are only really seen in characters like Martin Athcet and Tutu, and the composition is very straightforward. Also, I'd expect a fish with the face of a dog saying "plastic in peanut butter kit-kats?" (or something) to make its way into anything touched by the hand of Bren'.

Sorry, darnmarr, but thanks for sharing.

Nae bother, and thanks for informing,- I've been wondering about it so long.

Quote from: ming on 21 March, 2013, 07:48:44 PM

Quote from: Skullmo on 21 March, 2013, 01:07:44 PM
Ming will know!

Indeed!

Loaf was one of Brendan's pseudonyms; not sure when this first cropped up or how widely this was used but I remember seeing 'The Meaning of Loaf' in Deadline back in the day (#10; 1989) and there was no doubt in my mind who was behind it.  A few more Loaf contributions followed in later issues of Deadline and there's that previously mentioned Mean Machine Sci-Fi Special cover (1996?).  Other than that, I don't recall much.

(http://i.imgur.com/hUTE9vW.jpg)

I knew Ming would know! Now we need to got this cover attributed!

Pat Mills has (inadvertently) published Milligan and McCarthy's Summer of Love on his blog: http://patmills.wordpress.com

Has anyone picked up a copy of the complete Zaucer of Zilk?  I'm having trouble finding anywhere that lists it for sale, so any pointers would be appreciated... :)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=15832

Midtown Comics have it in stock for next to nothing...

http://www.midtowncomics.com/store/search.asp?pl=16&q=zaucer+of+zilk

Yea, if you want to pay $25 for cheapest postage to the UK!  :o

Actually, I'll be able to pick one up from there in a couple of weeks...  :D

I can't remember the last time I set foot in a proper comic shop, to be honest, so this'll be a bit of a treat.

You jet-setter, you!  :lol:

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 02 April, 2013, 12:32:06 PM
Yea, if you want to pay $25 for cheapest postage to the UK!  :o

I use them quite a bit, and can verify that it still works out cheaper than using a LCS (particularly Forbidden Planet who have, shall we say, a whimsical approach to pricing).

Normally the international envelope holds 6 comics comfortably...any more, and you could get a bashed corner.

Quote from: ming on 02 April, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
Actually, I'll be able to pick one up from there in a couple of weeks...  :D

I can't remember the last time I set foot in a proper comic shop, to be honest, so this'll be a bit of a treat.

Nice one Ming, it's a really cool shop.
I spent about two hours in there a few weeks back, and plugged quite a few back-issue gaps using their pretty extensive back-issue selection.
Didnt see the Galaxy's Greatest Comic on sale there though!

£7.74 inc UK post from here

http://amazing-fantasy-comics.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=871_1177&products_id=64744

£5.80 inc. UK p&p here:

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/The_Complete_Zaucer_of_Zilk.html

but, as it's FP, you'll probably get an e-mail in six months telling you that they can't get it!

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 02 April, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
£5.80 inc. UK p&p here:

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/The_Complete_Zaucer_of_Zilk.html

but, as it's FP, you'll probably get an e-mail in six months telling you that they can't get it!

FP have a terrible mail order service, they seem to advertise things at prices that they are never going to fulfill.

Quote from: Skullmo on 02 April, 2013, 04:37:56 PM

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 02 April, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
£5.80 inc. UK p&p here:

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/The_Complete_Zaucer_of_Zilk.html

but, as it's FP, you'll probably get an e-mail in six months telling you that they can't get it!

FP have a terrible mail order service, they seem to advertise things at prices that they are never going to fulfill.

Now here's a 'turnip' for the books: I ordered Complete Zaucer from FP on this link and just received an email saying it's been posted!  :D

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 03 April, 2013, 04:51:12 PM

Quote from: Skullmo on 02 April, 2013, 04:37:56 PM

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 02 April, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
£5.80 inc. UK p&p here:

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/The_Complete_Zaucer_of_Zilk.html

but, as it's FP, you'll probably get an e-mail in six months telling you that they can't get it!

FP have a terrible mail order service, they seem to advertise things at prices that they are never going to fulfill.

Now here's a 'turnip' for the books: I ordered Complete Zaucer from FP on this link and just received an email saying it's been posted!  :D

:o The end is nigh!

The big news a lot of people on this thread have been waiting for, from the Dark Horse Comics July solicitations:

Quote
THE BEST OF MILLIGAN & MCCARTHY HC

Peter Milligan (W) and Brendan McCarthy (W/A)

One of comics' most fruitful collaborations gets its due in this deluxe collection of hard-to-find gems from Peter Milligan (Hellblazer, X-Statix) and Brendan McCarthy (Judge Dredd, The Zaucer of Zilk There is still nothing else like Freakwave, Paradax!, Skin, and Rogan Gosh, and this volume is the ideal starting place for new readers! Collecting twenty years' worth of the pair's finest work from Vanguard Illustrated, Strange Days, 2000 AD, and Vertigo.

264 pages, $24.99, in stores on Sept. 11.

Quote from: Ancient Otter on 11 April, 2013, 09:32:08 PM
The big news a lot of people on this thread have been waiting for, from the Dark Horse Comics July solicitations:

Quote
THE BEST OF MILLIGAN & MCCARTHY HC

Peter Milligan (W) and Brendan McCarthy (W/A)

One of comics' most fruitful collaborations gets its due in this deluxe collection of hard-to-find gems from Peter Milligan (Hellblazer, X-Statix) and Brendan McCarthy (Judge Dredd, The Zaucer of Zilk There is still nothing else like Freakwave, Paradax!, Skin, and Rogan Gosh, and this volume is the ideal starting place for new readers! Collecting twenty years' worth of the pair's finest work from Vanguard Illustrated, Strange Days, 2000 AD, and Vertigo.

264 pages, $24.99, in stores on Sept. 11.

Just read this news on another thread AO, and feel fanboyishly giddy with excitement.
Ive never read Skin either, so this is my absolute must read of 2013.

Wow.

Just.. wow.

Anyone got a format size for this beauty yet?

Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 April, 2013, 08:33:50 AMAnyone got a format size for this beauty yet?

On sale Sept 11
264 pages
$24.99
HC, 7 3/4" x 11"

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,38350.0.html

Which is roughly £16.00/17.00?
Sounds a bargain, and im tempted to invest. Be good to re-read Skin after all these years, as well. Most of this i'll not have read before. Apart from his prog stuff, ive huge gaps of knowledge in things McCarthy related.

£18.99 as a pre-order from Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Best-Milligan-McCarthy-Brendan/dp/1616551534?SubscriptionId=AKIAIWBZRQIIPF7IKQPA&tag=bookbutleruk-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1616551534

Preaching to the converted, I know...

(http://i.imgur.com/OcWMHe6.jpg)


I always loved that Freakwave pic; I forget where I first saw it - a McCarthy interview in Fantasy Advertiser or Ark, maybe.

It was Ark 24

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8264/8660601243_c172281b85_n.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/8660601243/)
ARK24-01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/8660601243/) by Andy Lee - ★☆☆☆☆ (http://www.flickr.com/people/24992274@N00/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/8661702634_1710d3116e_n.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/8661702634/)
ARK24-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24992274@N00/8661702634/) by Andy Lee - ★☆☆☆☆ (http://www.flickr.com/people/24992274@N00/), on Flickr

The rest here http://flic.kr/s/aHsjELz2rU

Quote from: ming on 13 April, 2013, 10:07:29 AM

Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 April, 2013, 08:33:50 AMAnyone got a format size for this beauty yet?

On sale Sept 11
264 pages
$24.99
HC, 7 3/4" x 11"

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,38350.0.html

Is there going to be an official signing at Ming's house?

Cheers for my providing my breakfast reading material, Andy. No-one thinks about comics conceptually like Brendan, and some of his observations regarding the way Grant Morrison's borrowed his clothes were brought a little more sharply into focus by reading that interview. I can't wait to get my hands on the actual strips now.

Quote from: ming on 18 April, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
Preaching to the converted, I know...

I hadnt noticed, or was aware that Dark Horse was releasing this. Should be fairly easy to track down then.

Thanks for sticking that up, Andy; one of the few issues of Ark I held on to.  There's a good interview in Fantasy Advertiser 99 that I dug up last night; will scan it later.

Quote from: sauchie on 19 April, 2013, 07:25:04 AM
Cheers for my providing my breakfast reading material, Andy. No-one thinks about comics conceptually like Brendan, and some of his observations regarding the way Grant Morrison's borrowed his clothes were brought a little more sharply into focus by reading that interview. I can't wait to get my hands on the actual strips now.

You'll probably appreciate this very thorough review of Brendan's Solo issue; contains some more illuminating insights:
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/09/11/duet-on-solo-part-twelve-brendan-mccarthy-dc-comics-anthology-review/


...if Grant Morrison could draw, used original ideas instead of taking other people's, and had a visual sense that matched those ideas, he'd be Brendan McCarthy.

McCarthy's issue of Solo looks as if it will make The Filth seem as odd and packed with original ideas as The Famous Five. Cheers, Ming, but you're costing me a lot of money:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000XXXHSQ/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000XXXHSQ/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used)

And im now wanting a copy of that issue of Solo, as well - thanks to that link.

Or if you want McCarthy's issue of Solo in hardback (and bundled with the other almost-as-good 11 issues in the series): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solo-The-Deluxe-Edition-HC/dp/1401238890/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366432734&sr=8-1&keywords=solo+dc+comics

Quote from: 13school on 20 April, 2013, 05:40:40 AM
Or if you want McCarthy's issue of Solo in hardback (and bundled with the other almost-as-good 11 issues in the series): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solo-The-Deluxe-Edition-HC/dp/1401238890/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1366432734&sr=8-1&keywords=solo+dc+comics

It's on the pick up list 13, cheers.

It gets better as well. Mark Kardwell has written an essay for the book

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/04/promotional-push-begins-for-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy/

Evidently Brendan has been talking about the book on his Facebook page but it looks like there's not much that's set as public.

http://www.facebook.com/brendan.mccarthy.543

We're not friends, I'm never sure about sending requests to random artists I like.

And because of that link that Ming posted, im now the owner of the Brendan McCarthy issue of Solo.
A cursory glance through it makes me think i should read this wearing protective gloves before the LSD sodden art takes hold.

My McCarthy education (kinda) starts here.....

Quote from: sauchie on 19 April, 2013, 07:25:04 AM
... and some of his observations regarding the way Grant Morrison's borrowed his clothes were brought a little more sharply into focus by reading that interview.

There's a John Smith text story in that.  ;)

Quote from: Ancient Otter on 11 April, 2013, 09:32:08 PM
The big news a lot of people on this thread have been waiting for, from the Dark Horse Comics July solicitations:

Quote
THE BEST OF MILLIGAN & MCCARTHY HC

Peter Milligan (W) and Brendan McCarthy (W/A)

One of comics' most fruitful collaborations gets its due in this deluxe collection of hard-to-find gems from Peter Milligan (Hellblazer, X-Statix) and Brendan McCarthy (Judge Dredd, The Zaucer of Zilk There is still nothing else like Freakwave, Paradax!, Skin, and Rogan Gosh, and this volume is the ideal starting place for new readers! Collecting twenty years' worth of the pair's finest work from Vanguard Illustrated, Strange Days, 2000 AD, and Vertigo.

264 pages, $24.99, in stores on Sept. 11.

Forbidden Planet are selling this signed (http://forbiddenplanet.com//101713-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy-hardcover/) by McCarthy & Milligan.

There's a signing event as well

http://forbiddenplanet.com/events/2013/09/14/peter-milligan-signs-best-milligan-mccartthy/

Saturday 14 September 2013 13:00 -   14:00

London Megastore,
179 Shaftesbury Avenue, London, WC2H 8JR


PETER MILLIGAN and BRENDAN McCARTHY will be signing THE BEST OF MILLIGAN & McCARTHY at the Forbidden Planet London Megastore on Saturday 14th September at 1:00pm.

Finally got around to visiting the scanner for that interview from Fantasy Advertiser 99 (1986); p.m. me if you want a full .pdf version (~8MB).

It contains everything you ever wanted to know (and a lot you never knew you wanted to know but you really, really do) about Strange Days, Freakwave, Sooner or Later and the aborted Dan Dare TV series... One of the best McCarthy interviews I've read.

"Our idea was for Johnny Rotten to play the Mekon, but he wasn't into it.  They went to John Cleese who was into it, but because he was so tall we had to electronically matte him into all his shots and shrink him down.  It became too expensive.  Eventually they ended up with an Asian midget with a lisp."

Gold.


(http://i.imgur.com/mx1xmxF.jpg)

My latest piece of McCarthy loveliness which you can find here ........you're welcome  :lol:

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1016489 (http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1016489)

Unless Ming wants to help with the image pasting????

Quote from: malak brood on 24 May, 2013, 07:42:12 PMUnless Ming wants to help with the image pasting????

What did your last slave die of?  Oh, alright...  :lol:

(http://i.imgur.com/zimVQVH.jpg)

Lovely piece, Mr. M.


(and I'm about to send you details of how to tie your shoelaces post your own images from now on).

Mr Moy has a new shipment of original McCarthy goodness..

Ooh Paradax, Mirkin.....

http://www.albertmoy.com/ArtistGalleryTitles.asp?ArtistId=741

the floating head is already mine........'...evil laugh.......' :lol:

Yeah, some great stuff there.  For once, Albert even gave me a heads-up on these.  The Paradax is probably the best of the bunch and the price is fairly reasonable.  Still, I'm not tempted - honest!

Meanwhile, I snagged a 'spare' copy of Swimini to let my boys peruse as they grow up (obviously they can't have mine).  A relative bargain (especially considering one went for £250 not long back) - apologies to anyone else chasing it ;).

Some real nice pieces there. Kinda tempted (ie; very!) by that Dredd. Maybe my only chance in a good while to snag a McCarthy Dredd?

(and that post of Mr M tying his own shoelaces posting images, has reminded me that i was supposed to re-send the PM explaining this - apologies Dave! Anyway, Ming is better at explaining stuff like that. Honest..)

Some fantastic pieces there (especially that Paradax) but I'm broke, AGAIN!

Cheers for the link to the site Andy.
I quite fancy a coupla those Zaucer pages....but like the rest of ye, am stone broke.

If Swimini can command 200+ a pop, surely there's a market for a POD version?

Quote from: Link Prime on 24 May, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
Cheers for the link to the site Andy.
I quite fancy a coupla those Zaucer pages....but like the rest of ye, am stone broke.

Plus shipping from the US is very expensive from Albert Moy. I got quite a surprise the first time I ordered some stuff from him. Didn't stop me going back for more.

I'm out of the original art market while my son is at Uni.

Quote from: TordelBack on 24 May, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
If Swimini can command 200+ a pop, surely there's a market for a POD version?

I think that very high price was due to a moment of madness on someone's part (not mine, I hasten to add).  although Swimini regularly seems to sell for £100+...  I got mine for £47 this time around - only a few quid more than I paid for my first copy (again, eBay-sourced due to missing the boat on retail copies) in 2004.  If you're hunting for a copy, I'd suggest keeping an eye on eBay and not bidding until you think it might finish for a reasonable price.

Meanwhile, on my hard-drive...

(http://i.imgur.com/fCiUzZq.jpg)

If anyone who requested the Fantasy Advertiser interview didn't receive it, could you let me know?  I've been on a boat with slightly dodgy internet access for the last few days...

Three posts in a row, I know...

Strange Days 1-3 on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Strange-Days-1-3-VF-NM-complete-series-PETER-MILLIGAN-paradax-brendan-mccarthy-/380649861510?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item58a07ff186

Not a bad price even taking into account these will need shipping from the US.  If you've never read these, now's your chance - they don't seem to pop up as a set very often and they really are amazing.

Quote from: ming on 28 May, 2013, 11:08:54 AM
If anyone who requested the Fantasy Advertiser interview didn't receive it, could you let me know?  I've been on a boat with slightly dodgy internet access for the last few days...

Message received and understood, Cap'n. Thanks again for doing that, ming.

Bad news, good news...

Bad news: It looks like The Strangeness... blog will be hanging up its fancy-pants and will no longer be updated.  It's a crying shame but it's had a good innings and John K has done a phenomenal job there over the years.  As far as I'm aware, it'll remain in place as an archive, which in itself is wonderful.  If you've spent any time there, why not stop by and leave a comment, just to say a quick how-de-do?  And if you've not spent any time there, what are you some kind of mentalist?  Get to it!

http://strangenessofbrendanmccarthy.blogspot.com/

Good news:  According to Robo-KEEF, speaking in the ECBT2000AD podcast, there may (may) be a chance that Sooner or Later will feature in an anthology of some kind next year.  It would be wrong of me to urge you all to bug the hell out of him to change this from a possibility to a cast-iron certainty, but what the hell?  Do eet!  It's incredible that this has never been collected and with the BoM&M collection just around the corner, there has perhaps been no better time than this to get this out there.

Yes!

Quote from: ming on 15 July, 2013, 06:24:53 PM
Bad news, good news...

Good news:  According to Robo-KEEF, speaking in the ECBT2000AD podcast, there may (may) be a chance that Sooner or Later will feature in an anthology of some kind next year. 

Oversized hardcover please Mr Robo-KEEF.

Yes please! Put me down for a half dozen. 'Tis an outright tragedy Sooner or Later hasn't been collected before now.

Brendan shared some great 'lost' design work recently, so, in the absence of The Strangeness... blog, I'll post it here in all its glory...  Another one for the 'What If...?' file.


"Some visuals and boards from an unmade production of The Wind in the Willows, from (good grief) twenty years ago... Terry Jones and some of the Pythons got one into production first and kaboshed this version."

(http://i.imgur.com/9VE09sp.jpg)


"Wind In The Willows... Toad driving, board sequence."

(http://i.imgur.com/Xa9gscA.jpg)

Fantastic! Oh for what could have been...

That could have been the start to a great Bix Barton story!

Oh now that is just lovely!

EDIT: Well lovely of course isn't quite the word. But damn do I wish this had happened.

The page is lovely though... oh I'll shut up now...

Pete Wells Block already featured these on his fine blog, but in case anyone missed them, here's the series of covers Brendan was commissioned to do for the IDW Dredd series.  The Kirby one came first; when this was spotted Brendan was asked to do a few more along these lines.  Anyway, Pete very cleverly posted these alongside the material being paid homage to, so I advise taking a look at his post after you've looked at these pretty pictures.

http://2000adcovers.blogspot.no/2013/07/idw-dredd-brendan-mccarthy-is-possessed.html


Kirby

(http://i.imgur.com/HKn5aSc.jpg)


Ditko

(http://i.imgur.com/Cq06HW9.jpg)


Infantino

(http://i.imgur.com/QuIRp0I.jpg)


Steranko

(http://i.imgur.com/wUrf2zW.jpg) (http://imgur.com/wUrf2zW)

They're absolutely gorgeous.

Lovely, lovely pieces !!!!

Thanks for sharing, Ming...

Cheers

Quote from: ming on 20 August, 2013, 11:42:15 AM
"Some visuals and boards from an unmade production of The Wind in the Willows, from (good grief) twenty years ago... Terry Jones and some of the Pythons got one into production first and kaboshed this version."

b'Jaysus Ming, what has that man got hidden away? I want to see all his development stuff on the new Mad Max film.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 August, 2013, 11:55:04 AM

Quote from: ming on 20 August, 2013, 11:42:15 AM
"Some visuals and boards from an unmade production of The Wind in the Willows, from (good grief) twenty years ago... Terry Jones and some of the Pythons got one into production first and kaboshed this version."

b'Jaysus Ming, what has that man got hidden away? I want to see all his development stuff on the new Mad Max film.

By the sounds of it, LOTS is hidden away...  I'm sure Swimini Purpose just scratches the surface in terms of the sheer volume of Brendan's creative output.  Personally, I'd buy book after book of McCarthy doodles and random ideas; they'd be the kind of books that would glow when you turn the lights off.

As for Mad Max stuff, I think a lot of Brendan's concept art will surface once the Fury Road film is out.  Watch this space...

Quote from: ming on 21 August, 2013, 09:19:21 AM
Pete Wells Block already featured these on his fine blog, but in case anyone missed them, here's the series of covers Brendan was commissioned to do for the IDW Dredd series.  The Kirby one came first; when this was spotted Brendan was asked to do a few more along these lines.  Anyway, Pete very cleverly posted these alongside the material being paid homage to, so I advise taking a look at his post after you've looked at these pretty pictures.

http://2000adcovers.blogspot.no/2013/07/idw-dredd-brendan-mccarthy-is-possessed.html


Kirby

(http://i.imgur.com/HKn5aSc.jpg)


Ditko

(http://i.imgur.com/Cq06HW9.jpg)


Infantino

(http://i.imgur.com/QuIRp0I.jpg)


Steranko

(http://i.imgur.com/wUrf2zW.jpg) (http://imgur.com/wUrf2zW)

That 'Steranko' piece is superb, isnt it. Feel sad now, as im no longer buying the ongoing IDW series.

Quote from: ming on 15 July, 2013, 06:24:53 PM

Good news:  According to Robo-KEEF, speaking in the ECBT2000AD podcast, there may (may) be a chance that Sooner or Later will feature in an anthology of some kind next year.  It would be wrong of me to urge you all to bug the hell out of him to change this from a possibility to a cast-iron certainty, but what the hell?  Do eet!  It's incredible that this has never been collected and with the BoM&M collection just around the corner, there has perhaps been no better time than this to get this out there.

According to Brendan in this interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YSN7uoxSE&t=4m19s) from last November, Sooner or Later, is touted to be in The Best of Milligan & McCarthy

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 August, 2013, 12:15:37 AM

Quote from: ming on 15 July, 2013, 06:24:53 PM

Good news:  According to Robo-KEEF, speaking in the ECBT2000AD podcast, there may (may) be a chance that Sooner or Later will feature in an anthology of some kind next year.  It would be wrong of me to urge you all to bug the hell out of him to change this from a possibility to a cast-iron certainty, but what the hell?  Do eet!  It's incredible that this has never been collected and with the BoM&M collection just around the corner, there has perhaps been no better time than this to get this out there.

According to Brendan in this interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0YSN7uoxSE&t=4m19s) from last November, Sooner or Later, is touted to be in The Best of Milligan & McCarthy

I'm fairly sure that although Sooner or Later will be included in the BoM&M it will not be complete; some quality issues existed and I don't think Brendan wanted to lower his standards to allow its inclusion.  Which is why there's still a need for a 'proper' collection of SoL.  Please, K33F?

The magic Eightball says it will happen  . . . sooner or later

A bit of a blast from the past; Brendan's spooky short story from Scream issue 7, 1984.

(http://i.imgur.com/5oZMJw5.png)

For the full story; click the image on the second from the right, second row down.

http://www.backfromthedepths.co.uk/issues/issue7.html

That's one of my favourite comic stories of all time, it scared the bejaysus out of me as a kid!
I've had the chance to re-read it a few times thanks to Ghastley's great website.

Do you know if anyone has the original art for this Ming?

Quote from: Link Prime on 22 August, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
That's one of my favourite comic stories of all time, it scared the bejaysus out of me as a kid!
I've had the chance to re-read it a few times thanks to Ghastley's great website.

Do you know if anyone has the original art for this Ming?

Yeah, it's long been a favourite of mine (that and the Cam Kennedy one from the first issue).

As for the original art - no idea... I pointed Brendan at this story a while back and he didn't even seem to remember it; I guess the art is long gone.  Has any original art from Scream ever surfaced?  Dale?  Some real gems in there, anyway.

Cheers Ming.
Would love to see some original art from Scream if anyone had 'em.

I think Dale once told me that Scream original art was extremely rare, and that a lot of it had been destroyed rather than sending it back to the artists.

Quote from: Greg M. on 23 August, 2013, 11:59:39 AM
I think Dale once told me that Scream original art was extremely rare, and that a lot of it had been destroyed rather than sending it back to the artists.

Quite fittingly for Scream, that's horrifying.


A bit more on that Wind in the Willows project (images and text courtesy of Brendan):

More from the unmade 'The Wind in The Willows' feature film that I provided design and boards for:

(http://i.imgur.com/PijZZKe.jpg)


More Wind In The Willows: The animals were going to be played as humans with animal traits. Badger was the 'strongman' type...

(http://i.imgur.com/K4rjgVq.jpg)


Wind In The Willows: Boarded river sequence as Weasel watches Ratty and Mole drift along...

(http://i.imgur.com/VHVLuMv.jpg)

'Mole and Rat at Badger's House...' is beautiful. Will Brendan sell it to me.  ;)

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 26 August, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
'Mole and Rat at Badger's House...' is beautiful. Will Brendan sell it to me.  ;)

It is, and he won't.  :lol:

Nothing remaining to sell, unfortunately (and no, I haven't scooped anything up).

WITW work......completely sensational  :o

Those are sensational. McCarthy's worked on more great films which never got made than Martin Atchett could count using all his tiny fingers and toes. Someone needs to hook him up with Johnny Depp - he can get anything made.

This thread is no substitute for The Strangeness... but I'll do my best to keep the fires burning.

Original sketch for THE INSANE PEOPLE, featured as villains in Paradax from the upcoming 'Best of Milligan & McCarthy' collection, available in a few weeks.

(http://i.imgur.com/NCx0mdl.jpg)

As artists doing their own FX lettering just came up on the original art thread, here few examples of classic McCarthy sound effects... (Riders on the Storm, Doctor What, The Walking Dredd).

(http://i.imgur.com/5B1SV7U.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/R9XCyDm.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rzZh4tY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZdFykB1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/lrTn17s.jpg)

Yer man didn't leave me much to do with his contribution to the Superior Charity Special a couple of years ago...

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/Superior_Pg12_zps6c049d5e.jpg)

I watched him draw this in —seemingly— no time at all and my pleas against non-union lettering fell on deaf ears! :-)

Cheers

Jim

Hah!  That's fantastic, Jim - never seen that one before, either.

Thok! ...like it.

Mark Kardwell over at Robot6 has done a write-up (thisaway) (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/08/brendan-mccarthy-shows-off-lost-wind-in-the-willows-movie-art/) around the earlier Wind in the Willows images posted, and now Brendan has kindly shared a few more.  As the others seemed to go down well I thought people might appreciate seeing these.  Feast your eyes...


(http://i.imgur.com/7qRuZpR.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/xMVZP9e.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/QbqzlDS.jpg)

That's brilliant Ming....

A feast for your eyes right enough....Astonishing artwork,  and there is just So Much happening on every page......

Thanks for sharing....
Cheers

Do these pages cover the entire film? If so they'd be worth publishing alone.

These WitW's pieces are just brilliant - and as others have said, just totally crammed with lovely little details.
(If a full film's worth was ever published it would take an age to get through!)

But loving the 'veil' sequence panels.

The European Batmen are here... Sketch made in the Beverly Laurel Motel, West Hollywood many years ago of a 'Vatican Batman', maybe set in Venice.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ba3aGxS.jpg)

A classic.  You'll probably need to scroll sideways for this one...

(http://i.imgur.com/sr3a0qs.jpg)

Phenomenal!  :o

Quote from: ming on 17 October, 2013, 10:34:27 AM
A classic.  You'll probably need to scroll sideways for this one...

(http://i.imgur.com/sr3a0qs.jpg)

Do you have the original of this?

Ha.  No.  Unfortunately I have few, if any, surprised tucked away.  I'd probably let go of all my other McCarthy art (bar the Strange Days commission) if I ever got a shot at this, though.  Like far too much original McCarthy art it's probably under wraps in a collection somewhere.

There are so many lovely details in this cover* and I suspect there are a lot more that we don't see, given that it was probably cropped for publication.



*e.g. Coronation Street; Berni Winters; Nice to See You - To See You, Nice!

http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Missed that.

Strange indeed. It has nothing to do with him, and yet he feels like he's some sorta victim?

Proof if proof is needed that if people see an unexplained link they won't click on it! ;)

Because it's worthy of comment, although I don't think this pegs him as a full-blown racist it is good old fashioned regurgitation of unsubstantiated buzzphrases and it is ugly.

I am, however, not friends with either David Hine or Brendan McCarthy, or indeed any of the commenters on that article on Facebook and this is something that's taking place on there between them, to screenshot their conversation and share it strikes me as a little invasive. If Brendan had written a blog post "the hipster liberal elite and why I don't trust 'em" I'd feel a little more inclined to backlash.

I dunno - he said that shit it public, so it's fair game.

Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 08 November, 2013, 03:58:26 PM

I am, however, not friends with either David Hine or Brendan McCarthy, or indeed any of the commenters on that article on Facebook and this is something that's taking place on there between them, to screenshot their conversation and share it strikes me as a little invasive.

Not sure if I'd go along with you there, CFM.  If it's posted publicly it's not a private conversation, and in my opinion is open to discussion by everyone who sees it.  The way I see it making someone's personal message public would be invasive, but a public message in my book is fair game.
Personally I'm not sure if he's racist, but I found Brendan's comments narrow-minded and mean-spirited. (It doesn't take away from the quality of his work, though.  It's quite a different situation from, say, Frank Miller's, whose work takes away from the quality of his work.) 

Again, that's a different version of "public" than a blog post or something searchable like that, sure David Hine's profile is public so I can see the status and the comments but Brendan's isn't at all and he seems only friends with other artists rather than any of the fanbase like some droids. Leading me to believe that what he does on Facebook he doesn't intend to be seen by anyone but friends and his comment is possibly not INTENDED to be public statement of opinion.

However being a bleeding heart hipstery agenda-pushing wimp that's just the kind of excuse-mongery I'd come out with isn't it? - if some great brute invaded my home I'd probably be all like "this human being has every right to share my property, I love him." I MAKE MYSELF SICK.

People say stupid things sometimes, we all do it and we always have: it's just now we do it in writing in a permanent public medium. 

Sometimes we say stupid things because we haven't thought through our opinion, sometimes it's because our opinion is based on poor information or unexamined sources, sometimes because it touches on a personal hobby-horse* and we just can't let ourselves back down from a stupid particular for fear we are undermining our wider belief. 

Is this tendency to say stupid things a major factor in the ongoing existence of racism?  You betcha. 

Does doing it make you a racist?  Not necessarily.  You could just be one of those people who said a stupid thing.

Which is, after all, all of us.



*e.g. a perceived agenda-driven reporting bias in the media, as in this case.

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

You should know better Richmond ...     

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

You should know better Richmond ...   

Careful on that horse.
The thread is entitled the strangeness of... I think this absurd outburst qualifies as such. I'm sorry if you disagree.

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Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

You should know better Richmond ...   

Careful on that horse.
The thread is entitled the strangeness of... I think this absurd outburst qualifies as such. I'm sorry if you disagree.

Think you well know this thread is mainly about his art and his creative side , not about his personal views ...
His comment had nothing to do with the 2000ad forum or this thread , only you took offence and wish to make something of it .....

As a mod you should know better ....

And i sit well on my Horse thank you .... unlike some .

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 05:21:10 PM

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

You should know better Richmond ...   

Careful on that horse.
The thread is entitled the strangeness of... I think this absurd outburst qualifies as such. I'm sorry if you disagree.

Think you well know this thread is mainly about his art and his creative side , not about his personal views ...
His comment had nothing to do with the 2000ad forum or this thread , only you took offence and wish to make something of it .....

As a mod you should know better ....

And i sit well on my Horse thank you .... unlike some .

You don't get to decide what people post. If you don't like it, either ignore it or report it.

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 05:40:11 PM

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 05:21:10 PM

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
http://imgur.com/VlmA8ig

Well, I thought this counted as strangeness, seems nobody else does...

Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

You should know better Richmond ...   

Careful on that horse.
The thread is entitled the strangeness of... I think this absurd outburst qualifies as such. I'm sorry if you disagree.

Think you well know this thread is mainly about his art and his creative side , not about his personal views ...
His comment had nothing to do with the 2000ad forum or this thread , only you took offence and wish to make something of it .....

As a mod you should know better ....

And i sit well on my Horse thank you .... unlike some .

You don't get to decide what people post. If you don't like it, either ignore it or report it.

True , i will report it to you .... 

It is not a valid addition to the thread and it does not involve 2000ad forum ...

I think its just a personal defamation attack ... no other reason to post it ...

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 04:10:11 PM
I dunno - he said that shit it public, so it's fair game.

Respectfully disagree. It's not a public conversation. He's clearly having a discussion with his peers, not broadcasting as a statement for everyone else to join in. I don't particularly agree with his opinions either but that's neither here or there. He's certainly entitled to them, even if they seem out-of-sync with some of us.

Also, I would agree with Dale. This thread's not really the place for this. Brett Ewins got a thread all to himself when he got into bother with the police. If you really want to finger McCarthy as a racist, you should probably start a new thread titled that.

Quote from: Fatboydale on 08 November, 2013, 05:32:37 PM
Whats it got to do with his art ... pretty pathetic posting it here , if you had a problem with any of his views address them directly to him or made a different thread , this just seems spiteful ...

I have to agree. Don't see what it has to with him as a creator. And I've always thought the 'if it's online it's fair game' line is a pretty shabby argument - okay, if someone puts something out there into the public domain they should be prepared to defend it and to see it shared, copied and bandied about ad infinitum, but it still feels awfully akin to rifling through somebody's bins for gossip, particularly when it's got nothing to do with his artistic career.

I'd be pretty miffed if a thread about my artwork was suddenly derailed by an out-of-context snippet of conversation from another website, by people I'm not even 'friends' with on that website, to be picked apart and discussed at length and have people being invited to imagine what kind of person I might be in day-to-day life. Poor show, IMO, but then that seems to be the online world, for better or worse.

This place is bizarre sometimes - it's the only place on the web I've seen a moderator being slagged by a commentator to stick to the point of a rather hazy thread title whose purpose he has personally decided, along with what is acceptable debate.

So... Frank Miller spouts right wing nonsense he's fair game, but if it's someone you like..?

Quote from: Professor Bear on 08 November, 2013, 06:02:52 PM
This place is bizarre sometimes - it's the only place on the web I've seen a moderator being slagged by a commentator to stick to the point of a rather hazy thread title whose purpose he has personally decided, along with what is acceptable debate.

Not really. The last 16 pages of this thread have been dedicated to someone's artwork. Doesn't feel right to just suddenly throw in "Oh and he might be a racist too...", no...?

Unfortunately it seems to be anything that appears on this forum is grist to the mill for Bleeding Cool who has now added it to its daily ablutions (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/08/brendan-mccarthy-speaks/) .

Don't see why people are complaining about Richmond. His post is obviously on topic, and important to consider if McCarthy is someone who's work you choose to support.

Well good job. We managed to smear someone as a racist and lunatic over the course of a morning from a snippet of a conversation none of us were a part of. For all we know, those links to articles may simply have been research to a project. If anyone saw my internet history based on research for Family Guy, I doubt I'd come out of this too well either. Great stuff.

Bleeding Cool really is the comics equivalent of a tabloid isn't it?

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
So... Frank Miller spouts right wing nonsense he's fair game, but if it's someone you like..?

And that's the difference: Miller spouts it. At every opportunity. A snippet of a private conversation is hardly the same situation.

Quote from: blackmocco on 08 November, 2013, 06:14:58 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
So... Frank Miller spouts right wing nonsense he's fair game, but if it's someone you like..?

And that's the difference: Miller spouts it. At every opportunity. A snippet of a private conversation is hardly the same situation.

Can you explain how something on facebook is any way close to being a private conversation?

Ach, I really hate the hungry maw of click-bait that is Bleeding Cool.  Although I think this started on Twitter, not here.

Look, plenty of intelligent creative types have a mistrust of the way segments of the media serve up particular consensus-building views of the world.  They toss questioning ideas back and forth, not all of them right or well-formed, and it'd be a strange kind of original thinker who did otherwise.  Sometimes this means saying something stupid and sticking by it even more stupidly.  End of story.

It's entirely right and proper to consider a creator's views and politics when assessing his work, but there's a hell of difference between arguing a (misguided, IMHO) view of reporting biases in a Facebook exchange and producing dozens of pages of racist/sectarian piffle and calling it art, or backing it with hateful rants in interviews. 

I doubt there's a person on here who doesn't occasionally trot out one real-world opinion or another that's anathema to most of us.  What matters is how we behave every day, not any single moment.  Not one other thing about Brendan suggests to me he's anything other than a righteous dude.

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:24:36 PM

Quote from: blackmocco on 08 November, 2013, 06:14:58 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
So... Frank Miller spouts right wing nonsense he's fair game, but if it's someone you like..?

And that's the difference: Miller spouts it. At every opportunity. A snippet of a private conversation is hardly the same situation.

Can you explain how something on facebook is any way close to being a private conversation?

Because none of us discussing this were intended as a part of the actual conversation. I'm not defending his statements, let it be said. Just his right to have a - albeit misguided - discussion with his peers. Like CFM said earlier, if he'd launched a blog post intended to air his views publicly this would be a very different debate. Anyway. That's that, I guess. If you'll excuse me, I'm off to draw insulting stereotypes of middle eastern men for a primetime animated show.

I go to Brendan McCarthy for great art; I don't go to him for sociology.

Quote from: blackmocco on 08 November, 2013, 06:06:58 PM

Quote from: Professor Bear on 08 November, 2013, 06:02:52 PM
This place is bizarre sometimes - it's the only place on the web I've seen a moderator being slagged by a commentator to stick to the point of a rather hazy thread title whose purpose he has personally decided, along with what is acceptable debate.

Not really. The last 16 pages of this thread have been dedicated to someone's artwork. Doesn't feel right to just suddenly throw in "Oh and he might be a racist too...", no...?

If you raised this objection in defence of John Byrne, Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Mark Millar, Garth Ennis, and many other chaps who said or wrote something silly or misguided and it was commented upon here on the board in threads that may not have been an appropriate venue, then fair play - but this isn't the first time such things have come up for debate here, making it fair game for debate now unless for some reason certain boarders think an exception should be made.   Facebook is also not a private venue, it is a public forum as even people's grandads know, and if you want it private there are settings to make it so, again making it fair game.

We can just agree to disagree then.

Can everyone just hug and make friends again now please...

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 06:38:53 PM

I go to Brendan McCarthy for great art; I don't go to him for sociology.

Does that count for everyone, or just artist you like?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6217390.stm

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 08 November, 2013, 06:46:46 PM
Can everyone just hug and make friends again now please...

I'll get a boner.

I started this thread with the title 'The Strangeness...' specifically because it began life to point out that the fantastic blog of the same name, put together and run by John K, had come back to life after some time in the wilderness.  Taking 'The Strangeness...' to mean anything else is the work of your own twisted minds.  My posts in the thread only continue since I felt it was worth sharing some bits and pieces of Brendan's art, especially since the blog ceased to be updated.

As for Brendan's views on the media, politics, conspiracy theories, the occult, or whatever, I don't feel that this thread is the place to discuss them.  Brendan speaks his mind (on Facebook) on a wide range of subjects and you either engage with it or you don't, but posting a blind link here to a screenshot of a section of Facebook comments and casually labeling him as a racist without any initial attempt at discourse is pretty fucking weak.  Why just the link?  Why not pen some thoughts about your opinions on what he said at the same time?  Bottom line for me - not in this thread, please.

You probably should have just posted that link in the 'Aiiieeee!!! Blakeee Pentax!!!' thread and have had done with it.  Or not.

Meanwhile, back to the art.

(http://i.imgur.com/efEAlT3.jpg)

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:47:01 PM

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 06:38:53 PM

I go to Brendan McCarthy for great art; I don't go to him for sociology.

Does that count for everyone, or just artist you like?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6217390.stm

Not what I'd consider 'great art' (or McCarthy-esque) but if someone else likes it I'd have no problem with them liking it so I suppose it counts for everyone; to each their own.

Next time you should use this to inform the world of your discovery  :lol:

(http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/af293/judgedredd67/TheSun_zps2a64115d.jpg)

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 06:07:34 PM


Unfortunately it seems to be anything that appears on this forum is grist to the mill for Bleeding Cool who has now added it to its daily ablutions (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/08/brendan-mccarthy-speaks/) .

Aghhhh I hate the internet.

Well, it was definitely doing the rounds on twitter 24 hours or so before Bleeding Cool reported it - I saw fairly well known comics critics in the US tweeting about it 8am yesterday / Friday (Australian time), and was still checking back here at 1am Saturday night to see if Richard's post here would get anyone talking. It'd be a huge shame if people here started to feel like they couldn't bring up or talk about "controversial" issues (in any thread) because BC might be watching.

The big surprise for me isn't really the beliefs themselves (I'm a fan of writers and artists I'm fairly sure hold views I wouldn't agree with if I knew them personally), but that they seem so at odds with the work he produces. I mean, once you've read Frank Millers' work his personal beliefs aren't exactly a shock.

It's also a bit of a shame that amongst at least some of the US critics 2000AD's done so well at winning over in the last couple of years this kind of thing is the kind of thing that's really going to stick.

Quote from: blackmocco on 08 November, 2013, 06:14:58 PM

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 08 November, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
So... Frank Miller spouts right wing nonsense he's fair game, but if it's someone you like..?

And that's the difference: Miller spouts it. At every opportunity. A snippet of a private conversation is hardly the same situation.

I saw another 'private conversation' a few weeks ago when somebody on my friends list liked a post by someone on his friends list, and he decided to moan about 'liberal leftist agendas' or somesuch in the comments bit of that too.

And yes, I think people should be allowed to debate his (or anyone else's) views, but a separate thread is probably called for, because this one was originally and specifically intended to be about the art blog.

Brendan's response to Rich Johnson slapping a 'right wing' label on him (from Facebook, but as a courtesy I cleared this with Brendan before posting)...

Just got labeled "Right Wing" by Rich Johnson at Bleeding Cool, a popular comics site. He has cherry-picked a bunch of my social media postings critiquing left wing PC cliches and ignored those that don't fit his narrative (anti war, anti state surveillance, pro-Palestinian, pro GLBT, etc). I would also say that my work in comics has over the years, been ahead of the curve in its use of ethnic, gay and disabled characters... Check out my cover for DC Comics' SOLO for example, with a transexual hero on the front cover. Not forgetting Rogan Gosh, Mirkin The Mystic, Rudcliff and Williams and Skin from decades ago.

Had he bothered to ask me what my politics were, I would have replied "Radical Moderate'. I loathe the extremes of both political wings equally as they historically lead to extreme totalitarian states and mass murder by Governments. Seeing as the Politically Correct Left are the new cultural establishment, I feel it's my satirical duty to challenge and ridicule these bores. You can do that without being "right wing" y'know...

As for the race politics of the left, it has certainly set the agenda socially. Nobody would blink if you featured a stereotypical inbred, buck-toothed white southerner in a comic, but should you include a southern black watermelon-munching dimwit, you will be censored immediately as a 'racist'. Trying to get lefties to see that the white stereotype is racist too is an uphill struggle. Still, I wear my 'White Privilege' wristband with the proscribed shame.

One of the annoying aspects of dealing with so-called left wing comic book writers is that while they spouted their anti-Thatcher cliches on BC (when she was buried a while back), many are happy to cut deals with comic book publishers excluding the artists from the rights and so pocketing any extra big money for themselves. These people are true Thatcherites, and also hypocritical, greedy fuckers.


Anyway, my basic stance remains the same.  This thread is NOT the place to discuss these issues.  Can we split the thread and just dump the recent posts in a new one (preferably without the words 'racist' or 'right wing' in the title)?  I'm disappointed about that initial post of yours, Richmond - an ill-considered and inappropriate knee-jerk response, and I suspect if you'd looked through this thread properly you would have recognised that this wasn't the place for it.

'S your thread, Ming, but I think this has been instructive all the same.  And thanks for posting Brendan's response to BC:  that's the active questioning mind I expected to see, whether I agree with him on the particulars or not.

Brendan's response is pretty well argued, although I harbour reservations about anyone who uses the phrase "Politically Correct Left".

Still, he's a decent artist and entitled to his views.

I am more dismayed by the repeated attempts here to brush the issue under the carpet. I hope the discussion stays exactly where it belongs, eg. in this thread.

QuoteBrendan's response is pretty well argued

Bollocks it is. For someone who says he isn't right wing, he doesn't half go on about the left a lot...

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 09 November, 2013, 09:42:46 AM

QuoteBrendan's response is pretty well argued

Bollocks it is. For someone who says he isn't right wing, he doesn't half go on about the left a lot...

Any criticism of my opinion is clearly off topic and doesn't belong in this thread ;)

Quote from: TordelBack on 08 November, 2013, 04:46:03 PM
People say stupid things sometimes, we all do it and we always have: it's just now we do it in writing in a permanent public medium. 

Sometimes we say stupid things because we haven't thought through our opinion, sometimes it's because our opinion is based on poor information or unexamined sources, sometimes because it touches on a personal hobby-horse* and we just can't let ourselves back down from a stupid particular for fear we are undermining our wider belief. 

Is this tendency to say stupid things a major factor in the ongoing existence of racism?  You betcha. 

Does doing it make you a racist?  Not necessarily.  You could just be one of those people who said a stupid thing.

Which is, after all, all of us.



*e.g. a perceived agenda-driven reporting bias in the media, as in this case.

Wisdom.

As is argued in the screen cap, Brendan has chosen to put forward his views on a leftist bias in social media and portrayal or race as a motivating factor in crime rather than talk about the stand your ground law.

His argument is slightly odd, because being liberal and being on the political left (socialist) are in no way linked and mainstream news media has the far right (Fox) and the right (CNN) in America. Social media is not a left wing conspiracy it's your 'friends' sharing things that interest them, if you have socialist liberal friends you get a lot of socialist liberal posts if you have rightwing Christian friends you get rightwing Christian posts, if you have both you get fighting.

I don't think he comes across as racist but he does come across as some one who has more liberal friends on his social media feed then he is comfortable with.

Brendan McCarthy's more considered response was far better constructed then his social media rant but you would expect that. His grouping together of large swaths of people as the hipster brown shirt left is disconcerting but we all do it (see my above comments about the Christian right... what about the atheist liberal right?)

As a public figure McCarthy should probably think though his arguments a little better before posting them on social media and maybe count to ten before posting.

This hasn't soured his art for me and I am both liberal and on the political left. 

I guess  to claim purity of thread is a bit nonsensical. More often than never we do leap from one topic to another in a same thread. The fact it's touching upon a delicate subject shouldn't be an excuse to avoid it.
Mr.Clements has the right to give his opnion as much Mr. McCarthy does. Instead of censured him, one should embrace the discussion with no fears. Surely we'll all come out of it with something to think about.
That said, an artist's body of work IS in fact influenced by his political/philosofical and whatever one might come up with,views. And for me the ideal artist is the one independent enough to trash everyone, both sides, no compromises. Otherwise you end up being a pedestrian troubador singing the glories of whoever is in power.
Leni Riefenstahl is aesthetically brilliant, she has in many ways revolutionized cinema. The fact she did films for the Nazis ruined everything she has achieved, hence, no legacy left. (no pun intended)
Jose Saramago is a Nobel prize winner who joyfully endorse the Cuban dictatorship, he's ideological idiot whose body of work no one will remember in 20 years.
By the way, does someone still remember Frank Miller? Aside that horrendous Dredd cover? ;)
Is naive to afirm  you can enjoy an artistic piece solely by it aesthetically qualities without be, even in a unconscious way, touched upon by its inherent message. That's why an independent artist is so important to me. Someone who will present the farcical dicotomy between political powers as it  is. Someone to show you the game how it's played and let you free to think on where is your place in this confuse world. That's what I'd consider a poignant piece of art. Not something preaching you in how you should think to be accepted by the mainstream.

Leni Riefenstahl, DW Grifiths and Sergei Eisenstein are all pretty well remembered.

Artist makes comment to artist on Facebook regarding his opinion about use of news to promote a biased view of crime for political purposes.

World ends.

Yes, though with the exception of Eisenstein, the other 2 are solely remembered by their highly questionable political engagements.

Quote from: MenschMaschine on 09 November, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
Yes, though with the exception of Eisenstein, the other 2 are solely remembered by their highly questionable political engagements.

No they aren't Leni Riefenstahl, DW Grifiths are rebred for their contribution to cinema, the political associations are part of that but their politics are only remembered because of their contributions to film making.   

For me and for you and other filmmakers and whoever is somehow involve in arts, yes, the point is, on the collective view their are only remembered for add aesthetical beauty to horrible ideology. I'm not sure how is the relation of US towards  Griffin's work but in Germany you can't praise Riefenstahl achievements without people look at you strangely.

Quote from: Brendan McCarthy
Nobody would blink if you featured a stereotypical inbred, buck-toothed white southerner in a comic,

I was moaning about that particular cliché to someone a couple of weeks ago.

Some left-leaning folk are, of course, entirely capable of being just as idiotic or hypocritical as right-leaning folk, but from what I've seen, the right wingers do tend to be a bit more insane about it.

Having said that, I do remember someone who disagreed with Frank Miller do something particularly mental on youtube. Totally devoid of irony, he showed his disgust towards Miller's political views by setting fire to his copy of The Dark Knight Returns.

Yup, he demonstrated his opposition to a right wing mind-set by having a book burning. The eejit.

QuoteYup, he demonstrated his opposition to a right wing mind-set by having a book burning. The eejit.

That's the whole point. I get really concerned when people of both sides start to dehumanize their opposite.

Quote from: M.I.K. on 09 November, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
Yup, he demonstrated his opposition to a right wing mind-set by having a book burning. The eejit.

Then maybe he was being ironic. Not as if Maoist China was in the habit of burning books.

Holy fxxk. Can you all just shut up so that he dosent get fxxked off with working in comics again?

Brendan: Rich Johnston has published an apology and a few words from me about his recent Bleeding Cool article that characterised me as some kind of "right winger" and sparked a lot of hate mail. I think he has acted in a fair and ethical fashion, and I doff my trilby to him.

He also includes an exclusive look at THE DELETED, my new short series coming next month in Dark Horse Presents. Click below if you want a gander.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/10/brendan-mccarthy-that-article-and-the-deleted/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/10/brendan-mccarthy-that-article-and-the-deleted/)

Anyone else fancy taking their foot out of their mouth?

The joys of the interwebs!

The scallywag!

Looks feckin' ace, that Deleted stuff.  Is that colouring job by him too?  Suppose it must be; good to see he's as good at computer colouring as he is at painting

I thought Bleeding Cool was a carbuncle of a cesspool of an eyesore of a website and an insult to all that's holy? Surely this about-face merely weakens McCarthy's position?

...he's a pro-lifer?

Even after all that disambiguity, one commentator still writes:

QuoteIt is with great regret I must announce I'll be wiping my arse on a copy of Judge Dredd Atlantis tonight

::)

Quote from: Dandontdare on 11 November, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
Even after all that disambiguity, one commentator still writes:

QuoteIt is with great regret I must announce I'll be wiping my arse on a copy of Judge Dredd Atlantis tonight

I know Ming is selling a page from that story. Hope its not him in that quote....  ;)

Quote from: Dandontdare on 11 November, 2013, 06:43:17 PM
Even after all that disambiguity, one commentator still writes:

QuoteIt is with great regret I must announce I'll be wiping my arse on a copy of Judge Dredd Atlantis tonight

::)

I wonder, could that commenter be the perpetrator of PooGate? 

Anyway, as the expression of contempt would more normally be "I wouldn't wipe my arse on a copy of etc.", this could reasonably be considered the exact opposite, and thus an, ahem, ringing endorsement.

Great PR for someone's career aside, I admire his conviction - the paper quality on most reprints is pretty shiny and would cut a delicate bottom like mine up a treat.  Clearly that commentator is made of sterner stuff.

Quote from: ming on 11 November, 2013, 03:21:34 PM
Brendan: Rich Johnston has published an apology and a few words from me about his recent Bleeding Cool article that characterised me as some kind of "right winger" and sparked a lot of hate mail. I think he has acted in a fair and ethical fashion, and I doff my trilby to him.

He also includes an exclusive look at THE DELETED, my new short series coming next month in Dark Horse Presents. Click below if you want a gander.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/10/brendan-mccarthy-that-article-and-the-deleted/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/10/brendan-mccarthy-that-article-and-the-deleted/)

Anyone else fancy taking their foot out of their mouth?

The joys of the interwebs!

I am please it was cleared up on another feeder web site ..

Now it would be nice to see it all clean up on here , but i fear Richmond will not have the decency to retracked his poorly thought out attack on a 2000ad artist .

You'r not always right .... thats my new motto ...




   

By attack, you of course mean, linked to what he said..?

Bleeding Cool in Brendan McCarthy non-shit-stirring article shocker!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/12/brendan-mccarthys-thunderbirds-twice/

(http://brendanmccarthy.byethost8.com/designwork/artwork/Thunderbird03.jpg)

Another interesting interview here.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/01/talking-comics-with-tim-brendan-mccarthy-on-the-deleted/ (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/01/talking-comics-with-tim-brendan-mccarthy-on-the-deleted/)

Posted by Brendan elsewhere but also featured in that interview, a recent Rogan Gosh commissioned piece...  What a stunner.

(http://i.imgur.com/MsOT5Vx.jpg)

That's immense! Let's hope the mention of his desire to do a sequel isn't just another of the forty brilliant ideas McCarthy has every single day which are never seen by another living soul.

Wow that really is something! Cheers for posting.  ;)

Sorry for the necropost but ye all know Brendan McCarthy will be in Dark Horse Presents #3 in October with Dream Gang?

From the solicitation:

QuoteWar is being waged while you sleep, and it's a nightmare, in Brendan McCarthy's Dream Gang!

(http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1407/16/darkhorsepresents3.jpg)

FUCK ME LENGTH WAYS WITH A BROOM HANDLE OR SO HELP ME I'LL BE GETTING ME THAT!

...is that Comic Sans MS...?  :-X

Apologies for this but Brendan McCarthy's Dream Gang is starting in Dark Horse Presents 2014 #1 due out at the end of this August - sorry I didn't spot that sooner. You can see the first two pages in a preview at a online shop here: TFAW shop link (http://www.tfaw.com/Profile/Dark-Horse-Presents-2014-1-%28Geof-Darrow-Cover%29___455419)

Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 25 July, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
...is that Comic Sans MS...?  :-X

My favourite font

Interview with McCarthy about Dream Gang and Fury Road over at CBR: Link. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54991)

That mock-up cover for a McCarthy Mad Max comic really had me drooling... Such a shame that never came to pass.  Hopefully we'll get to see a lot more of Brendan's designs when the film is released.

Meanwhile, this just in from Brendan:

(http://i.imgur.com/QEBBJMP.jpg)

:)

If McCarthy isn't scribbling concept designs of Johnny Depp/John Hamm as Dr Strange in Los Angeles right now, the film makers have missed a trick. Can't think of anyone better suited to bringing that character to the big screen.

Brendan is posting backgrounds for the abandoned Dan Dare TV show on twitter -

https://twitter.com/MysticMcCarthy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw