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Title: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 August, 2022, 07:02:14 AM
Round 5 was always going to be a quickie and in two weeks we are done. I'm thinking maybe next round we'll go to one a day to give us more time to luxuriate (or for me to prep whatever's next if I'm honest, not had to think about that for some time!) Anyway not much else to say except a week of more bastard hard choices!

The highs are high, for some the lows are low. Which is better across the piece? Will A Moore be down to just one thrill after this tie?

Form book (note none of the remaining thrill appeared in Round 1 - all getting byes; so the form book starts at Round 2)

Skizz: Intestinauts; Fall of Deadworld; Storm Warning
ABC Warriors: Dead Men Walking; Robusters; Leviathan

Skizz - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=SKIZZ)

VS

ABC Warriors - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=ABC)

Just reply in this thread naming your favourite thrill of these two series at the beginning of your post (or use Bold tags so I can spot it easily) and say what you like about these wonderful stories after that.

Match ends early on the morning of Friday 12th August and the winner gets a place in Round 6 (of 9!!!).

What on Earth is ALL of this? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48011.0)

For those that need 'um and can be bothered to follow 'um there's some simple rules (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=48011.msg1070150#msg1070150)

Any questions, just ask as ever - and have FUN!
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: NapalmKev on 09 August, 2022, 07:10:55 AM
Skizz my arse...*

A.B.C Warriors!

Cheers

*This is not an invitation!
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Magnetica on 09 August, 2022, 07:13:18 AM
ABC Warriors for me. At it's best it was as good as anything published in the Prog. When not, at least it has some nice pictures.

Only the first series of Skizz really holds up for me, and even then it's not as good as other stuff Alan Moore did for Tharg.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Funt Solo on 09 August, 2022, 07:45:41 AM
ABC Warriors
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 09 August, 2022, 07:53:53 AM
ABCs.

SBT
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: abelardsnazz on 09 August, 2022, 08:13:33 AM
Skizz.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Aaron A Aardvark on 09 August, 2022, 09:04:54 AM
I liked Skizz Book One but the Warriors have had some great characters over the years.

ABC Warriors
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Barrington Boots on 09 August, 2022, 09:17:08 AM
ABC Warriors for me too.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: rogue69 on 09 August, 2022, 09:28:47 AM
ABC Warriors
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Trooper McFad on 09 August, 2022, 10:17:57 AM
ABC Warriors
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: sintec on 09 August, 2022, 11:09:34 AM
Skizz is great but ABC Warriors is the clear winner here
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 09 August, 2022, 12:12:29 PM
skizz
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: AlexF on 09 August, 2022, 01:17:07 PM
Hang on a sec, I don't know that this is quite so straightforward.
Yes, the ABC Warriors are, for the most part, 5 or 6 all time great characters and character designs. And, for a while, the promise of a new series was mega-exciting, even if they didn't always live up to that promise. Indeed, I don't know that any one ABC cycle has been totally 100% thrilling, except maybe the bits where they're in Nemesis the Warlock, which don't count here.
The Mek-nificent Seven has a couple of duff sequences (looking at you, "LJ Silver"), the Black Hole has some dodgy plotting and pacing, and the rest are, at best, divisive (personally I love Khronikles of Khaos, much of Shadow Warriors, and the odd bit of Volgan Wars - but plenty of folks don't).

Skizz by contrast had one totally perfect and unimpeachably great series, complete with 4 or 5 well-rounded, superbly designed and utterly memorable main characters. Then a really rather neat if less clever sequel, and then a very poor final series - but only as poor as the most indulgent parts of latter-day ABC Warriors (Tubal Cain can eff right off).

So yeah, all the love in the world for aspects of ABCs, but I think to honour that one burst of perfection, I'm voting Skizz.

(Mind, if Colin ever dares turn his hand to a character tourney, there are about 10 characters from this team up who'd all qualify as qaurter-finals contenders at the very least)
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 August, 2022, 02:19:23 PM
ABC Warriors is so often style over substance. It's a story on repeat – copy and paste ad infinitum. It doesn't care about its own reality's logic, sometimes even in the same strip. I suppose Mills would counter that none of that matters, so long as the kids like it. But I'm voting for me, not anyone else, and I didn't even really care for the early ABC Warriors stuff that much on a re-read.

Skizz isn't exactly a top-tier thrill for me either, even in its original incarnation, although it is very, very good. The dreadful Skizz III is best ignored, although the second series has its moments.

Again, for me, it's down to what I'd like to re-read. If I ever split my UC, I doubt I'd keep any of the ABC Warriors books, except maybe the parts that retain the Black Hole arc. But I know I'll re-read Skizz at some point.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Southstreeter on 09 August, 2022, 05:31:15 PM
ABC - definitely style over substance, but here the style justifies its victory over a nice little one off (I know there were 2 sequels, but I can't remember anything about them).
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: moly on 09 August, 2022, 06:14:26 PM
Skizz
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Dash Decent on 10 August, 2022, 05:16:04 AM
Alan Moore, Alan Moore
Riding through the sward
Alan Moore, Alan Moore
And his horse Concorde
He steals from the rich
And gives to the poor
Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore


Skizz it iz.

Just ask Dez Skinn.  Or Den Skizz.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: paddykafka on 10 August, 2022, 08:55:12 AM
ABC Warriors
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 10 August, 2022, 09:18:46 AM
I think Southstreeter hit the nail squarely on the head - ABC Warriors are often style over substance, but what style!
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: credo on 10 August, 2022, 11:09:30 AM
We're now getting to the stage where I'm forced to ask myself "would the prog still be the prog if one of these strips never existed?" ABC Warriors is much more definitive of what the prog means for me than is the case for Skizz. I can imagine a prog where Skizz never existed, but not one without the Warriors.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Pyroxian on 10 August, 2022, 12:24:27 PM
I love Skizz book 1, but overall I think ABC Warriors has more great early content
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Rogue Judge on 11 August, 2022, 03:57:14 AM
ABC Warriors. For the records... I mistakenly posted that Skizz book III had some redeeming qualities, however, I was wrong! It's book II that I somewhat enjoyed...book III was bad and book I was great! Regardless, ABC Warriors any day.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 August, 2022, 07:03:52 AM
While I was confident that ABC Warriors would get this I didn't think it woud be as clear cut as it is. A day to go to give Skizz some love before I annouce it in the morning.
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: broodblik on 11 August, 2022, 07:13:58 AM
The Alphabet Warriors for me
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Blue Cactus on 11 August, 2022, 10:09:11 AM
ABCs
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 11 August, 2022, 10:27:45 AM
ABC
Title: Re: Forum’s Fav Thrill - Skizz vs. ABC Warriors Rd 5 Heat 12
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 August, 2022, 06:53:59 AM
VOTING CLOSED

I'm a little surprised how clear cut this one was with Skizz having a strong spell in the middle, but it was pretty short and either side of that ABC Warriors really dominated. Both are uneven thrills and for me neither topped their opening storylines. I personally really like the latter Skizz stories, I know others don't. ABC Warriors has been terribly hit and miss, but classics like Black Hole set the thrill aside for many. And with ease

ABC Warriors

just blew Skizz away to get into Round 6