Probably about time to set this one up then. Some of you will have seen the movie by now and by this time tomorrow, it'll be time to discuss it. Let's do it!
Dredd shoots first!
I gotta know, does he say creep?
All I can say is that there wasn't a lynch mob afterwards. I'm pretty thrilled about the final result.. Missed seeing if I had a credit though.. None the less there was a huge sigh of relief on my part. After punting it for a year I didn't look like an idiot.
There's a few "creeps" and "perps" along the way.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 30 August, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
All I can say is that there wasn't a lynch mob afterwards. I'm pretty thrilled about the final result.. Missed seeing if I had a credit though.. None the less there was a huge sigh of relief on my part. After punting it for a year I didn't look like an idiot.
Michael, I saw your name in the credits as I sat there, spent and flaccid, too weak from the experience to do nowt...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 30 August, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
All I can say is that there wasn't a lynch mob afterwards. I'm pretty thrilled about the final result.. Missed seeing if I had a credit though.. None the less there was a huge sigh of relief on my part. After punting it for a year I didn't look like an idiot.
No chance of that!
Chuffed(pardon the pun)for everyone involved :)
YES!!!!! :D Role on Sep 7th.
I suppose in a way now we're are the lucky ones as we still get to see it for the first time ever still.
Love those gatlings.. Xmas holiday well spent. Can't wait to see it again.. Best thing was hanging out with the forum regulars Alex Garland and John Wagner afterwards at the pub next door. Couldn't work up the courage to chat to John though..
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 30 August, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
YES!!!!! :D Role on Sep 7th.
I suppose in a way now we're are the lucky ones as we still get to see it for the first time ever still.
Nice positive view point Mr. Eliminator. Not long to go really in the big scheme of things, and my excitement is mounting reading some of these "nailed it", "come's across as Dredd" comments.
Relax: it's good.
That's all I can really say for now, I'm so close to it all that I can't really see it objectively.
But i know that it's good!
Really enjoyed the film. A not quite a legend but on his way Dredd in a young justice department in the not too distant future. Dirty, violent and brutal - perfect. Thanks to Alex Garland and co for letting us see this early and please start on the sequel now!
Urban is so pitch perfect as Dredd that you don't even really think about it after the first five minutes, you just accept him. His voice and delivery is spot on - nothing at all like Christian Bale Batman, as some had feared.
I really liked Anderson, some of the most interesting stuff in the film revolves around her.
Lena Headey makes a great villain. Cold, detached, vicious.
Yeah, he really is. Dredd becomes something quite terrifying when you see him onscreen. I spent a lot of time thinking about how utterly terrified you'd be having to stare that helmet down. There's a great power to blocking the eyes.
And y'know, it really is all about the actors in the end. Some of the script that leaked reads a little cheesy. Anderson 'reading' Dredd through the wall at the start, for instance, but the way it's handled in the movie is quite powerful, I thought. Got me thinking the movie could have easily gone off the rails with the wrong casting/performances. Thirlby is so fucking awesome in this movie. She really is.
How do the sexual scenes come across? I don't mind a bit of nookie, but I don't expect them to be gratuitous without serving the needs of the story. :o
This is when Anderson invades the prisoners head and she reads what he wants to do to her. The way she reads people is cleverly shown on screen and with this one sequence, the act he is doing to her is in the background and isn't on screen for long but I'm sure some will have the pause button ready when the blu-ray comes out!
It's quite interesting how she uses her power with the same prisoner a little later. She lets him think he is in control but she then does her stuff and shows him who really is in control of his mind!
Isn't there a thing with Ma-Ma biting someone's willy off as well? :-\
Correct! This is when Anderson is back in the blokes head and he thinks he's in control and makes her go down on him. We see this from a side view and slightly behind, he thinks he's won until she pops up from the side and then he looks down and it's not her but Ma Ma biting it off.
Very cleverly portrayed sequence I thought!
Heres my verdict, and spoiler free :)
http://www.foldsfive.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/dredd-3d-verdict-spoiler-free.html
I loved it, Urban was spot on as Dredd - "Freeze!! ... Why?" :D And I thought that alot of the scenes were very well done, including Andersons psychic scenes and the infamous sexual scenes were fine and in keeping with the film and the scene at hand. Having not read the script previously I was very surprised when the 'other' Judges turned up and threw a spanner in the works, but it worked well I think, and brought up some decent opponents for Dredd.
If I had one minor criticism it would be that it suffers a bit from Promotheus-itis, in that alot of the film is given away thanks to the trailer. Somewhat difficult to avoid though I imagine.
Wow....Just Wow.....Loved it....Urban is Dredd...The uniform looks great...Anderson just got better and better....Slow Mo was used to great effect.....( I would see it in 2D next time though although there are a couple of stand out 3D moments)...Oh and sat and had a drink with John Wagner, Alex Garland and had my photo with Karl Urban and the Ezquerra....So I think you could say it was an amazing day all round....!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: FoldsFive on 31 August, 2012, 06:57:59 AM
Heres my verdict, and spoiler free :)
http://www.foldsfive.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/dredd-3d-verdict-spoiler-free.html
That's a great read.
Some random bits that I loved:
Dredd: "Drug bust".
Dredd: "Yeah".
The piece of music used when the four judges arrive on the scene.
The scenes of 'control' with the banks of screens - spot on.
The rocking main theme (or nearest the film has to one) 'Mega City One'.
The Clan Techie's camera lens eye - took me a while to decipher what that was.
Hi ex to the head.
Lawgiver self-destruct.
The way the gang members all called Headey 'Ma'.
Dredd setting the lawmaster to stand guard while he pursued the perp - and the lawmaster responding, just like in the early comics.
Dredd: "Hotshot".
Anderson: "He's thinking about trying to take your gun".
The judge banter.
The moment Dredd faces off against Ma-Ma across the atrium. But a ton of favourite bits like those mentioned above.
The psychic scenes are really well done, and the trailer really doesn't do the slomo scenes justice, with regards to 3D.
I was a bit worried that they might overdo the slow-motion/gore but I thought the balance was perfect.
The redband clip in the film sounded and looked amazing projected in 3D with a decent sound system.
I enjoyed it more than TDKR and waaayy more than Prometheus. But it's hard to tell how it will play to non-Dredd fans, there is a great interplay between Dredd and Anderson, and the basic setup of the way the city works for anyone unfamiliar to get it.
Just really hope they get all the things they need for a sequel as it's in safe hands with this crew.
Oh, and I want more of Judge Volt.
Quote from: radiator on 31 August, 2012, 09:45:47 AM
Anderson: "He's thinking about trying to take your gun".
I know
Volt...? Did I miss something?
Another bit:
Anderson's revelation with Cathy.
That had to suck, eh?
After the massive gun attacks on the floor by Ma-Ma, in way of "Fuck you, Dredd!"
I love how Dredd did "Fuck back at you" by threw out Ma-Ma's number 1 and walk away without looking back! So cool!!!
Radiator, Volt is on badge of one Judge at the block main door.
Quote from: radiator on 31 August, 2012, 10:55:57 AM
Volt...? Did I miss something?
Another bit:
Anderson's revelation with Cathy.
Volt was the black judge who was trying to get in before the 911 group turn up - I loved his delivery.
Was the other guy Guthrie then?
Gonna love an extended 'unrated' cut of this, if there's going to be one..
Pretty sure there won't be - Alex said they used pretty much everything they shot. The budget didn't allow the luxury of shooting lots of extra stuff.
Quote from: radiator on 31 August, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Was the other guy Guthrie then?
I think Guthrie was just one of those names that popped on IMDB...
I'm sure I saw an Owen Krysler reference. Anyone else see it?
So... in keeping with the thread title, are there any actual reviews from the jammy bastards that saw it last night?
Okay, so there was a link to one, but it was not much of a review.
Quote from: Albion on 31 August, 2012, 12:26:05 PM
I'm sure I saw an Owen Krysler reference. Anyone else see it?
The film poster outside the block cinema, yep.
I think the problem is that we're too close to it right now, and can't really divorce the film from the experience and circumstances of the screening. Pretty much everyone agreed that they'd need to see it again before they could really give a proper opinion on it.
I'd say that there are enough cool things in the film to impress most cinemagoers - from the soundtrack (and overall punishing sound design - the screening room was literally rattling at times, very cool) to the action to the often gorgeous shot compositions.
Some might be put off by the aesthetic or feel of the film, which is - how can i put it? - a bit grungy, or B-Movie. It doesn't look like a slick Hollywood movie at all, and as expected, at times the low budget is somewhat evident. I remember that someone tweeted a while back about how it 'doesn't look very expensive', which isn't entirely unfounded (I happened to like the rough and ready feel, it seems appropriate for a pulpy 2000ad adaptation). Others may be put off slightly by the excesses of the film - though, having heard all of the talk about the violence, I was actually surprised at how mild it is - wouldn't have batted an eyelid if it had been passed with a 15 certificate. It's also pretty bleak stuff - there is definitley humour in there, but it could probably have done with a bit more of it.
The pace is excellent though - things don't really let up from the first scene to that last - and it's refreshing to see an action film that is this lean, focused and doesn't outstay it's welcome at all.
The principal actors are all great, but it's undoubtedly Urban who is the star here. He's dark, curt and powerful and is just the right side of funny without straying into Arnie one-liner territory - even the 'Judgement Time" line is nowhere near as cheesy in context. Special mention to Dohmnall Gleeson as Mama's Clan Techie - he has an interesting relationship with Mama and along with Anderson he is central to the heart of the film and is one of the only Cits/bystanders who really have any screentime.
For the casual viewer, it's most likely a solid, enjoyable action film - a 3/5 or 4/5. For fans of Dredd and/or a specific type of genre movie, it's a smash.
I hope that's a fair assessment.
I thought the front and centre Wagner/Ezquerra credit (which is literally one of the first to come up as credits roll) was a lovely touch, too, and typical of the thoughful approach to the film by all inviolved.
QuoteSome might be put off by the aesthetic or feel of the film, which is - how can i put it? - a bit grungy, or B-Movie. It doesn't look like a slick Hollywood movie at all, and as expected, at times the low budget is somewhat evident. I remember that someone tweeted a while back about how it 'doesn't look very expensive', which isn't entirely unfounded
I should clarify that I'm only talking about specific elements here - plenty of things, such as the cgi-enhanced cityscapes - look just as polished and lovely as anything you'd see in a big blockbuster.
Like Radiator, I'm still trying to process it all. It blew me away, that's for sure.
Urban IS Dredd. The voice, the mannerisms, delivery, the terse, quick and minimal way he speaks and moves. In the action sequences Dredd is like a coiled spring with a beautiful economy of movement. When he hits, he hits to kill. I can't imagine anyone else portraying Dredd so perfectly.
Similarly, Anderson is fantastic. She's not the confident wise-cracker from the comics, this is her first day on the job and she's nervous and eager to please. As the story progresses, the relationship between Dredd and Anderson develops in a really believable way. The psychic scenes are brilliant and Thirlby really nails Anderson's playful, 'cat with a mouse' attitude to the perp who's mind she's invading.
So many great action sequences, so many nods to the fans, so many references to the comic. I couldn't have asked for a better film. Mega City One is low tech and much nearer to our time but it it's still recognisably MC1.
Little things that stayed with me -
Dredd - "It's all the deep end."
Hottie House, Shoppera and Chopper graffiti in Peach Trees.
The Fattie stuffing his face in his apartment.
Joe Soap's MASSIVE billboard.
On top of the film being FANTASTIC I met Karl Urban, Alex Garland, John Wagner, Carlos Ezquerra and so many lovely boarders. It's great to be able to put faces to the names I see every day on this forum. I had such a great time.
Thanks to everyone involved for a brilliant, unforgettable night.
I hate all of you.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 31 August, 2012, 01:12:06 PM
Dredd - "It's all the deep end."
I read the leaked movie script, and that line was the one that I quoted to people when I said it really felt like Dredd.
-pj
Imagine a lot more of that and you're getting there...
Like PJ, i hate you all.
No i dont- im insanely jealous of you all for having that experience. Although it may not be one idve enjoyed- i have serious reservations about whether id cope with meeting john and carlos at the same time- im so glad you all had such a fantastic time. Everytime i meet boarders in the flesh, im blown away by how cool and excellent everybody is, so im sure this was something special, given the circumstances. Im on my phone and so havent had the opportunity to look at the photos yet. Will do that later- but you're all a bunch of lucky, lucky bastards.
SBT
Dredd: "I was wondering when you'd remember you left your helmet back at the Hall of Justice".
Anderson: "Wearing a helmet inteferes with my psychic ability."
Dredd (deadpan): "Not as much as a bullet in the head would."
Dredd: "You ready, Rookie?"
Anderson (confident this time): "Yeah."
Pause
Dredd: "You look ready."
Dredd being based in 'Sector 13'.
QuoteOn top of the film being FANTASTIC I met Karl Urban, Alex Garland, John Wagner, Carlos Ezquerra and so many lovely boarders. It's great to be able to put faces to the names I see every day on this forum. I had such a great time.
Thanks to everyone involved for a brilliant, unforgettable night.
Was saying to someone (Kev Levell IIRC) how surreal it all was - it was so bizarre that our little grimy corner of the internet somehow became the centre of the universe for a night.
Quotei have serious reservations about whether id cope with meeting john and carlos at the same time
Try briefly overhearing Alex chatting to Carlos about his love of Strontium Dog, among other things - think he was as starstruck as the rest of us in that moment!
As far as a review-
From the moment the engine noise from Dredd's Lawmaster echoes through the underpass- and around the cinema- you know its a winner.
Karl's Dredd is spot on for a young Dredd, gruff voice, lean, tough and violent.
The first bout of gore was, to me, the worst, probably because it was a little too grim/ real, and I think the level of gore in the film may be the tipping point for a full blown US success.
People have moaned about the lack of futuristic vehicles etc, but apart from the opening sequence, there is little else that reminds you of this in the rest of the film. The block setting really does help ground the events into the future , without flying vehicles and hover boards.
On that note one thing that really does need praise is the set work and SFX.
From the stills we saw on the website etc, I was worried they all looked a little 'empty'- but the VFX for set extensions are perfect, there really is very little- if any- VFX which you notice. When the block goes into lockdown and the blast doors shut I didnt see any dodgy compositing etc, it really does feel like they filmed it in a giant Block.
Its also nice to see digital work that hasnt got everything thrown in to distract the viewer- you really can watch the action and absorb it, without seeing five things in one shot ( like George Lucas seems to want to do every frame)
Anderson is brilliant. In my opinion she carried the film- Dredd is Dredd, but Anderson's humanity and inner conflictions really bought home the world of Dredd and being a Judge, especially in the ending of the scene when they take shelter in the mothers appartment.
She really does go from being a scared rabbit to full on Judge by the end.
And just what was she scanning from Dredd in her first scene ?
There are some very, very strong one liners that just scream Dredd, Alex's script is spot on for this, - "Wait..." being a prime example, as well as Dredd's comeback to Anderson when she explains her lack of Helmet. The scripts pace is also great, and its really nice to see a film whose 'quiet' moments aren't a shabby excuse to build up for another set piece.
There are also LOADS of little easter eggs references throughout the film and as CF has said- the pause button is going to break on many DVD players when the film is released with people spotting them- sometimes you could hear the audience react when they came on screen.
Comparisons to the Raid are going to happen but in truth, having seen both, each film treats the plot very differently, The Raid made far more of the different floors for instance, so the comparison to me was only one on paper, rather than film.
yes, I am still buzzing, but its a film I want to see again, and a film I will happily PAY to see again, so that, to me, is a result.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 31 August, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
..but you're all a bunch of lucky, lucky bastards.
SBT
I dunno.. They only hung me the right way up last week..
My thoughts on the film from last night;
The acting is great throughout...Urban is great, Anderson is great, Ma is great.
Plot is good, pacing is good, the way the film is shot is good...there's nothing bad in the movie at all (IMHO) - all wraps up to make a great film.
I didn't get any sense of 'b'-movie at all, and the feel of MC1 to me was that of a city that developed out of necessity and is struggling to keep the lid on some semblance of control via the Judges. It's still a city in its infancy and has the potential to grow from there - the more 'futuristic' stuff can come later...the time isn't right for it yet...they need to survive now then thrive later.
It deserves to do well and I hope that it does!
Absolutely, I'm still dragging a load of mates to see it next week.
The vehicles are nowhere near as jarring as youd think, and that pesky van is literally blink and you'll miss it.
Likewise the helmet. It occasionally looks a little large, but it just as often looks 'kin badass.
The slow motion is beautifully done and if anything UNDERused (in fact, if you've seen all the trailers and clips you've already seen most of it).
And there's the other problem - because I HAVE watched all the clips etc I felt like I'd already seen half the film. Entirely my own stupid fault of course, and I'm generally better at avoiding spoilers for most things nowadays, but with Dredd there was never any question of that!
Sorry my review will be delay as off to Bamburgh for wedding weekend!
I thought those other Judges really do well!
One thing, as was talks to others last night, in the school room, I notice there is FIVE stars on US flag, as there is Mega City 1, Mega City 2 and Texas City. Whose is other two? Something Alex kept for the sequels?
Uranium City and Las Vegas?
Oh, and who could forget:
The delightful scene where Dredd fires the incendiary round across the chasm, setting a load of goons on fire, then calmly watches them burn, the flames reflecting in his visor.
Quote from: radiator on 31 August, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
Oh, and who could forget:
The delightful scene where Dredd fires the incendiary round across the chasm, setting a load of goons on fire, then calmly watches them burn, the flames reflecting in his visor.
We referenced Israeli white phosphorus attacks for that.
Tactically I was mightily impressed with the way both Karl and Olivia handled their weapons and when they did their room entries, with covering arcs of fire and methodically downed all the targets, I was in heaven.
You could see from this that the pair of them had worked bloody hard and listened to their instructors on how to move as a team for room clearance!
That vagrant should have moved though :lol:
Pete whispered to me that he would have paid that vagrant to do what was on his sign :o
Amazing stuff.
Like everyone else in the cinema and nearly everyone on the screen, I was blown away ;)
I was so busy watching Karl as Dredd that I missed many of the references, so I'll be off to see it again ASAP!
The one I did see, which was beautifully placed, was the jacket with DROKK written on the back, just before everyone starts using real expletives. It was almost saying, yes we know it's Drokk in the comic, but this is going to be hardcore reality.
Karl Urban impresses throughout. His Dredd is tough, but still realistic. He's not a superhuman character who bullets either bounce off of or miraculously miss. He doesn't produce unbelievable acts of strength or ridiculous marksmanship. It feels like someone with the right training could do what Dredd does in real life.
Also the way he picks up on the corrupt Judge is excellent. One mistaken word, like a barrister in a trial, Dredd is on it and understands what it means. Alex Garland's writing talent shows through.
Off the spread the world ABC Warrior style.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 31 August, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
Like PJ, i hate you all.
No i dont- im insanely jealous of you all for having that experience.
SBT
You know what? It sounds cheesy but I really wish the whole board could have gone to this. There was such a great atmosphere and a sense of camaraderie. We were all finally amongst people who
understood. It was so lovely meeting everyone and sharing this exciting experience.
Everyone was so cool and it was great to meet Judge Fett, Bat King, Radiator, Joe Soap, SuperSurfer (sorry you didn't get in), Large 48, DarnMarr, Sherman Kid, Richmond, Bolt01 and loads more.
It would have been great to meet all the rest of you as well. I realise I'm all loved up, drunk on the heady, surreal experience and possibly talking bollocks but everyone who was there last night feels like a brother to me. I feel so lucky to be a part of all this and so grateful to Molch-R and everyone else for making it happen.
And I'm so glad we've still got 2000 AD after all these years and that we, the fans, are cared about to this extent.
Long live Tharg!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 31 August, 2012, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 31 August, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
Like PJ, i hate you all.
No i dont- im insanely jealous of you all for having that experience.
SBT
You know what? It sounds cheesy but I really wish the whole board could have gone to this. There was such a great atmosphere and a sense of camaraderie. We were all finally amongst people who understood. It was so lovely meeting everyone and sharing this exciting experience.
Everyone was so cool and it was great to meet Judge Fett, Bat King, Radiator, Joe Soap, SuperSurfer (sorry you didn't get in), Large 48, DarnMarr, Sherman Kid, Richmond, Bolt01 and loads more.
It would have been great to meet all the rest of you as well. I realise I'm all loved up, drunk on the heady, surreal experience and possibly talking bollocks but everyone who was there last night feels like a brother to me. I feel so lucky to be a part of all this and so grateful to Molch-R and everyone else for making it happen.
And I'm so glad we've still got 2000 AD after all these years and that we, the fans, are cared about to this extent.
Long live Tharg!
This. Loved seeing it at San Diego but the audience was mostly press with a few die-hard Dredd fans in the middle. Would have been fucking fantastic seeing it with everyone...
I'm not reading anything that you guys are saying in here. Don't want any spoilers.
I just wanted to say that from my twitter feed last night it looks like everyone who went had an amazing time and I'm glad it went so well and this seemed like the thread to say this. It's fantastic that the 2000AD people set this up for you guys and to get Wagner, Ezquerra, Urban and Garland to be there too. It's a really nice gesture for the fans, it shows that we matter and I'm really impressed that it was done.
Now, I'm just regretting that I'm more of a lurker on here than an active poster. With more posts maybe I could have been there too man...
Still. It's only a week till the rest of us get to see it...
Very well said, Lee.
The bit where Dredd says "shit!" really made me laugh for some reason. Wasn't expecting it at all.
Translate that to Stomm.
Quote from: radiator on 01 September, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
The bit where Dredd says "shit!" really made me laugh for some reason. Wasn't expecting it at all.
I know it sounds out of character for Dredd, but considering what happens next, I think it works okay ;)
It's like when Data says 'shit' in Star Trek Generations, just before the Enterprise crashes into a planet.
Forgive me, but when Dredd says "Shit"? Was that big fucking weapens by Ma-Ma?
Quote from: radiator on 01 September, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
The bit where Dredd says "shit!" really made me laugh for some reason. Wasn't expecting it at all.
A man in his position using abusive language!
He should book himself in for a few days in the cubes for that - surely!
Quote from: Goaty on 01 September, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
Forgive me, but when Dredd says "Shit"? Was that big fucking weapens by Ma-Ma?
Yup.
I hope my brief write up yesterday didn't come across as negative - I was really trying to be as objective as possible, as if id come to the film cold, and highlight certain potential problem areas. I know Alex is probably reading this so didn't want him to get the wrong impression. Plus I've had a bit of time for it to sink in now.
It should go without saying, but I thought it was an excellent Dredd film (there was never much doubt in my mind that it would be seeing the talent involved). I always said that as far as im concerned they could diverge from the comics quite a bit, so long as they got Dredd himself right, but i was surprised and delighted to see just how faithful an adaptation it is - more than a first glance would suggest. So many great little touches and details that I keep remembering (like a glimpse of the West Wall, and a reference to Resyk for example).
I was initially a bit skeptical about the decision to keep the helmet on throughout (I was thinking about how poorly it worked in things like Spiderman and V for Vendetta), but it's a total non-issue. As in the comics, the visor IS Dredd's face. Could have been disastrous with the wrong actor, but Urban smashes it. A truly great performance.
As for my comments about the grungy look of the film, I think that comes down to the heavily 'digital' feel vs a more traditional cinematic celluloid look. It's probably not what some people are/were quite expecting. I wasn't for a second criticising anything to do with the craftsmanship; the locations, the cgi, the props, the costuming, cinematography, all of which is great.
Speaking as a fan, my only real criticism is that it's so contained - I feel as I've just seen the first act in something bigger and I desperately hope it does well enough to earn a sequel. If there's any justice it will, but in a world of Michael Bays and Len Wisemans...
Keep re-watching the clips online and listening to the soundtrack - cant wait to see it again, but couldn't have asked for a better way to watch it for the first time.
I'm still reeling.
Spent an extra day in London so just got back.Well, where to start.
Firstly a big thank you to 2000AD and Molcher for the invite very gratefully received.Great to see the other board members Judge Fett, Danmarr ,Shoalin Monkey, Joe Soap, Radiator, Bolt, Steve Green, Goaty, Minty, Tony (aka Roscach was it?), Commando Forces, Bolt ,WOD, Bat King, Pete Wells, Richard Clements, Nicklambo, Logan and everyone else.
JOHN WAGNER - A very modest man who I was very surprised and delighted to meet.My abilty to form coherent sentences suddenly left me though, I genuinely now know what starstruck means, love the guy to bits.Hope to meet him again some day.
CARLOS EZQUERRA- Again, another big surprise.Glad to see him looking so well with his lovely wife.Seemed very poignant to see the two 'masters', chatting together later on...
ALEX GARLAND- What a wonderful man.Extremely affable and approachable, a keen listener , very attentive and always gave straight answers. Very impressed by him and I personally thought took a lot of guts to meet direct with the fans both before and after the film so Kudos
KARL URBAN-Had a photo with him, but sadly no opportunity to chat.Immaculately dressed and very polite.Having already seen dozen or so interviews he's done, his passion for the film and character are obvious.An absolute professional in every sense.
THE FILM
Karl Urban IS Dredd, it's as simple and great as that.
For that reason alone the film will be a big hit with the fans (let alone the umpteen easter eggs that have so thoughtfully also been included).Karl has completely nailed the part which was just AWESOME (the Dredd that WE know has finally reached the big screen).Olivia Thirlby was another perfect choice (Debbie Harry now being a tad too old as Alex joked), and captured the vunerability of an early version of Anderson.
The action is pretty much relentless and dotted with plenty of one-liners that would have made Clint Eastwood himself proud.'Drug bust' ,'why'and 'yeah' were my favourites.The 3D is entirely approprite for this film to not only produce some stunning images but to also capture violence in a way I've not quite seen before.Unlike the matrix 'bullet time' this shows graphically ,for example, the effect of a blast or a bullet on the human body, the real impact of Dredd at work.
The overall level of 'gore' was surprisingly less than what I thought it would be, given the certificate,but not in a bad way.
The way the Judges were protrayed was excellent.'Death on legs' would be how I describe them, quick efficient badasses.The razor sharp super-efficient dialogue between them was spot on.This applied to Dredd too.I saw Karl in an interview describe how he kept wanted to reduce Dredds lines (which when you think about it is unheard of for actors to make such requests), but was absolutely right for Dredd.Again Kudos to Karl.
The city does come across as a proto-Mega City One which can be developed more for the future (hopefully this will be the Batman Begins for Dredd).
Quibbles, yes the vehicles and parts of the set design.Whilst being a dystopian future some more future tech and design work would have been good but of course the budgetary constraints were a big factor.
Overall Alex should be very proud and the fans very pleased.
I will now being seeing this film until my bank manager tells me to stop, dragging my girlfriend along until she threatens to leave me and coralling my friends to see it until they threaten to desert me.
:D
I was saying in another thread, but I think that while Stallone's MC1 looked far more 'futuristic' (in that kind of shiny, generic mid-nineties kind of way), Urban's MC1, by placing so much emphasis on the concept of the distinct City Blocks - the stark contrast between them and the rest of the city, the spaghetti junction of criss-crossing highways, the sense of claustrophobia - is infinitely stronger and more recognisable as Dredd's city.
So it's not the sprawling, dizzying neon-lit mashup of utopia and dystopia that we know from the comics, but it's a solid, well thought out, fully-realised and valid interpretation.
Mega City one is set in America right?
(EM, everybody was specking normal, non accented english)
Something of a continuity error, surley?
No, everyone had an American - or at least Mid-Atlantic accent. Most of the principal cast are either Irish or Kiwi, but there wasn't a dodgy American accent anywhere in the film, to my mind.
Oh, and another great Dreddism:
"Respirators on"
Turns to Kay
"I suggest you hold your breath".
on my ball licking phone and lost a monster post which i cant face retyping...alex garlands rationale for the lo tech mc1 was that we were in a real shit area with peach trees- nowhere affluent with great architecture or vehicles etc which works for me. its the dredd of the comic on so many levels. i aplauded mr garland on getting a lovely headbutt past the bbfc. i echo shaolin monkey, lee bates, sherman kid and all in thankin molcher and everyone involved in makin the fan screening happen-the atmosphere was superb.
Yeah, nothing in this movie rules out the high tech world of the comics. We get to see a glimpse of MC1 and it's vast. All we see in this movie is a really run down area, which honestly reminds me of certain John Higgins episodes or something out of The Pit.
The vans wouldn't even seem out of place in a higher tech MC1.
What about the med-kit, move over Rambo :o
Yeah that looked like it smarted a bit! :D
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 01 September, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
What about the med-kit, move over Rambo :o
I had something 'worse' on the drawing board that never made it. But yeah, it looked pretty sore..
I love that Dredd's entire emotional arc is that he's 1% less of an uptight bastard at the end of the film than he is at the beginning. Just as it should be!
Quote from: radiator on 02 September, 2012, 02:33:15 AM
I love that Dredd's entire emotional arc is that he's 1% less of an uptight bastard at the end of the film than he is at the beginning. Just as it should be!
I knew they would go all 'hollywood!'
What a terrible film that was: I reckon that the loyal fans deserve much better than this travesty that has the nerve to call itself a DREDD film! Do the film-makers honestly think that we are going to put up with this pile of over-blown nonsense just because they named a couple of blocks after board-members, and handed out a few free tickets?
I reckon that the time has come to let Mr Garland et al know what we really think of him and this cobbled-together excuse for a storyline... Just because he's a prog-fan, and reads the boards, and is an affable chap, and helped out Blackmocco that time, and bought me a pint, is no reason whatsoever to be less than candid: this is DREDD we're talking about here,-- the cinematic realisation of a thousand comic-led daydreams and now it's time to talk turkey...
Your film sucks, Sir!
Yep, I'll say it -- Except for the 3D which was nice to look at, there is almost nothing to recommend it -apart from that excellent cinematography and the choice of actors- but that aside, what honestly is there about this story that's even half-way related to the Dredd we know and love, eh? except his helmet, the way he talks and moves and the things he does?
But, apart from: the cinematography/casting/the-way-Dredd,-looks,-sounds,-moves-and-behaves,- there is nothing of merit for the fan or the casual viewer unless you count the powerful and relatable character-arc that Anderson goes through, the brilliantly-realised bent Judges and of course Lena Headey ( but that doesn't count because she's brilliant in everything, isn't she?). But, if you leave out all that,- then what is left, except a more-or-less typical, gory, action flick with an engaging premise which is so utterly uncompromising in execution that it powerfully llustrates exactly how lame and safe the rest of the genre has become? That's what you're left with, isn't it?
"What's wrong with a Dredd film that's a 'gory, action flick with an engaging premise which is so utterly uncompromising in execution that it powerfully llustrates exactly how lame and safe the rest of the genre has become?'"..you say?
Well I'll tell you what's wrong...
No flying cars!
Where were they? I have never been so disappointed in my life! I go to a Dredd film to see one thing and one thing only and that's some cars with no wheels and air in between the vehicle and the ground... All this 'story' and 'art-direction' and 'character-development' and 'genuine excitement' and 'pushing the envelope of Action Sci-Fi towards an art form in itself' may fool some of the others around here but not me.
The cars must fly or I don't buy.
All joking aside, while there is minutae to quibble and quander, and some time further on I will no doubt get rightly into niggles and nit-picks... this film's an absolute cracker and I reckon it's going to explode at the cinema.
You had me going then you little tinker.
Glad to 'see' you again Darnmarr and that you made it back okay.Please tell me you didn't walk and swim though.. ;) :D
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 02 September, 2012, 08:11:40 PM
Glad to 'see' you again Darnmarr and that you made it back okay.Please tell me you didn't walk and swim though.. ;) :D
:lol:
Excellent review Darnmarr!!
It really is a tight script, and going back to the leaked draft, you can see how much better the final product is.
The filmed version has lots of motifs and lines of dialogue early on that are called back to later on in the film, making for a really satisfying narrative.
One of the reviews slated the opening voiceover, but I love the way it bookends the film - "...Judges" as Anderson rides off into the distance is a great moment - so much better than the leaked version which just sort of ends abruptly.
Though I liked the scene in the leaked script where Dredd fires through the hostage to get to the fleeing perp, it was perhaps a little too close to Robocop, and their reasons for changing it - that we needed to see Dredd being genuinely heroic and rescuing a citizen - makes total sense to establish Dredd as a character we are supposed to root for.
What- that bit's not in the film? That was seriously the only bit in the script that i liked!
:-(
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 04 September, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
What- that bit's not in the film? That was seriously the only bit in the script that i liked!
:-(
SBT
Oh trust me, it most better!
Nope, it was re-shot as something else.
I see why they did change it though, it's a) similar to a scene in Robocop and b) it's probably too harsh even for Dredd as an introduction.
May be a deleted scene though, I think it was shot.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 04 September, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
What- that bit's not in the film? That was seriously the only bit in the script that i liked!
:-(
SBT
The
only bit? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Jesus Christ...
Niggly Nit-picks pending:
I noticed two nit-picks in reviews:One about Anderson's lack of helmet seeming contrived and one about a confusing moment ( RE Identity ) when two Judges were fighting. I imagine it's a natural sort of thing for reviewers to do, point out anything they percieve as flaws. Personally, I reckon the helmet line is perfect, but I do agree about a moment of confusion in the inter-judge combat, how do others feel?
Come to think of it, starting from the position of being really ,really, really impressed with the film,- does anyone have any niggles/things they didn't understand,- or thought might have been improved upon with a bit more time/money?
Or is it too soon to ask a question like that?
I had non problem with the reason for Anderson lack of helmet, it seemed plausible to me.
When other judges were on screen I had no problem telling them apart.
I'd need to see it again, but isn't the fact that you can't distinguish between the two judges kind of deliberate, in that it makes the fight more tense because you don't know who's winning? If they wanted to distinguish them it would have been very easy to do so - Lex could have lost his helmet or something.
As for Anderson, its a nessesary narrative contrivance, yes, but is perfectly justified with a witty exchange of dialogue. Thats good writing.
You'd have to be a real arse to point it out as a genuine 'fault' of the film. Compared to the bit in Prometheus where they all remove their helmets... Now that WAS jarring and stupid and illogical.
Quote from: radiator on 04 September, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
As for Anderson, its a nessesary narrative contrivance, yes, but is perfectly justified with a witty exchange of dialogue. Thats good writing.
Also not forgetting that Anderson doesn't usually wear a helmet in the comics for the same basic reason. It wouldn't have been Anderson if she'd had a hat on.
Quote from: radiator on 04 September, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
You'd have to be a real arse to point it out as a genuine 'fault' of the film. Compared to the bit in Prometheus where they all remove their helmets... Now that WAS jarring and stupid and illogical.
What the helmet remark illustrated for me, was how something can be
percieved as a fault without actually being one, just as the Raid thing can be
percieved as plagiarism or the Stallone film can be
percieved as the sum total of the character in pop-culture, equally erroneously.
Prometheus on the other hand, is so laden with 'faults', bad science and confusing narrative mis-steps that I began to feel, while watching it, that Ridley Scott either only ever makes good films by accident,( the same way Forest Gump becomes a famous millionaire ) or else he just despises his audience.
Ok Darnmarr on the niggles/things they didn't understand front.
Q-When Dredd blasts that van off the road and one flees why does he start blasting people?I know he's on drugs but didn't get the impression it made you kill crazy.
N-(for Niggle :D) Besides what I've already put. The completely contempary clothes of the citizenry compared to Dredd, CCTV guy working with ultra low-tech when it's such an important position for Ma-Ma. These did jar for me when I watched the film.
Still love the film overall though, don't get me wrong.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 04 September, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Ok Darnmarr on the niggles/things they didn't understand front.
Q-When Dredd blasts that van off the road and one flees why does he start blasting people?I know he's on drugs but didn't get the impression it made you kill crazy.
'cos he's a psychopath who's effectively cornered..
Quote
N-(for Niggle :D) Besides what I've already put. The completely contempary clothes of the citizenry compared to Dredd, CCTV guy working with ultra low-tech when it's such an important position for Ma-Ma. These did jar for me when I watched the film.
Still love the film overall though, don't get me wrong.
Didn't even notice that.. I suppose it works to keep the plot ticking over. Dredd's gear isn't that futuristic.. You should've seen some of the riot cops outside the Cape Town stadium during 2010! At worst I'd say the clothing is of a nondescript era, which will keep it from ageing (unlike Arnie's Total Recall...)
Ultimately, you can pick a hole in any film if you want to, but as with bad special effects, you generally only notice them or point them out if you're not enjoying the film in the first place for other reasons like the script or characters (see Prometheus).
The vehicles, the contemporary clothing and the fact that people are using trackballs to operate computers didn't bother me in the slightest, cos I was so carried along with the film. It's just details.
Dredd isn't perfect - and I'm not going to argue with any criticism levelled at it - but overall it holds together very well I think.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 04 September, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Q-When Dredd blasts that van off the road and one flees why does he start blasting people?I know he's on drugs but didn't get the impression it made you kill crazy.
I have to say I was fine with this: desperate act of a desperate man who knows the Judge is on him and that means he's more or less already dead.
Quote
N-(for Niggle :D) Besides what I've already put. The completely contempary clothes of the citizenry compared to Dredd,
I was dreading this from the stills,but felt it worked fine -it's really a Riot-Cop outfit morethan a futuristic costume.
QuoteCCTV guy working with ultra low-tech when it's such an important position for Ma-Ma.
I honestly didn't notice- I'd have to see it again.
An 'N' for me was that I personally couldn't help feeling sorry for poor old Ma-Ma: she seemed to me as much a victim of the city as anyone else. When you see her mug-shot in the beginning it suggests that back when she was a hooker was the happy/innocent time in her life,- and a lot of really bad things have happened since then.
On a more fundamental, non notpicky level, you could argue 'what is so bad about Slo mo?'.
Given the circumstances, isn't it reasonable that people are seeking some kind of escape? Is it a particularly sinister or dangerous drug? Yeah those guys ran over a bystander, but that's more to do with them being in a high speed pursuit. Does the film do enough to tell us why it needs to be eradicated?
Is it more to do with the Mama clan becoming powerful off the proceeds, so powerful they could threaten the status quo ('we could take the whole city')? Perhaps. Perhaps it's deliberately ambiguous, mirroring the 'war on drugs' in our own world?
Drugs are bad: m'kay?
Seriously, on the SLO-MO point, I think it worked that we didn't know anything about it: any description of it's actual effects/addictiveness that raise the arguement of 'how 'bad' is it?' would have done nothing for the story... it's a new future-drug that makes things beautiful...I think we can infer that there's a nasty downside without having it explained.
It doesn't need to be anything more than addictive for it to be dangerous, people crave it, can't afford it, turn to crime to pay for it, things snowball and before you know it things are just getting worse and worse.
One thing I was thinking about: in the leaked script, there's a scene just after the chaingun massacre, where Dredd dispatches a squad of Mama's goons, picking them off one by one, breaking necks and snatching them as smoke engulfs them and they begin to panic. It's seriously cool, like something out of a Predator movie.
I don't remember seeing this in the actual film, though I did have nip off for a wee about halfway through, so did I miss it?
Likewise, theres a scene in the featurette where we see Dredd pacifying two unarmed perps with the 'stun' setting on his gun. Don't remember seeing that in the film, either.
Quote from: radiator on 04 September, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
One thing I was thinking about: in the leaked script, there's a scene just after the chaingun massacre, where Dredd dispatches a squad of Mama's goons, picking them off one by one, breaking necks and snatching them as smoke engulfs them and they begin to panic. It's seriously cool, like something out of a Predator movie.
I don't remember seeing this in the actual film, though I did have nip off for a wee about halfway through, so did I miss it?
Likewise, theres a scene in the featurette where we see Dredd pacifying two unarmed perps with the 'stun' setting on his gun. Don't remember seeing that in the film, either.
Well, Dredd stalking the goons in burnt out floor, and Ma-Ma hears the sounds, and Dredd threw out Ma-Ma's number 1 goon and walk away. That's fucking coolest!
Yep - he 'stuns' the juves...
I think I remember all that stuff happening, but now I'm not sure...
Anyhoo, CF made a very good point about the uniforms being realistically 'off-the-rack' in a 'one-size-fits-some-better-than-others' way but if there were a sequel, I'd like to see the uniforms, and the helmets in particular tailored better to suit individual judges heads: Lex looked great, ( as did the black Judge who responds to the call first what's-his-name?-gruddamnit!) but I thought the others less so, particularly the wummin judge.
The neck snapages are all done tasteful like, on-screen. If you missed the kids getting stunned then you for something to look forward to.
Quote from: darnmarr on 04 September, 2012, 01:00:30 PM
I think I remember all that stuff happening, but now I'm not sure...
Anyhoo, CF made a very good point about the uniforms being realistically 'off-the-rack' in a 'one-size-fits-some-better-than-others' way but if there were a sequel, I'd like to see the uniforms, and the helmets in particular tailored better to suit individual judges heads: Lex looked great, ( as did the black Judge who responds to the call first what's-his-name?-gruddamnit!) but I thought the others less so, particularly the wummin judge.
Volt
That shoal read off screen
Quote from: Goaty on 04 September, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
Well, Dredd stalking the goons in burnt out floor, and Ma-Ma hears the sounds, and Dredd threw out Ma-Ma's number 1 goon and walk away. That's fucking coolest!
Without looking back.. That was awesome.. Fuck you Ma-Ma..
^this^
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 September, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 04 September, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
Well, Dredd stalking the goons in burnt out floor, and Ma-Ma hears the sounds, and Dredd threw out Ma-Ma's number 1 goon and walk away. That's fucking coolest!
Without looking back.. That was awesome.. Fuck you Ma-Ma..
Yep! Best Fuck You Too moment I ever saw!
Yup -Gotta say that was one of my favourite scenes in the film (along with the head-butt)
Fuck You Too Ma-Ma moment, headbutt, Goaty name, and Anderson became kick-ass with push the machine gun to goon's face! Both are coolest moments in the film,
Chatting about it is bringing it all back: I fucking love this film.
Really the contemporary clothing is not noticable in the film as much as they are in the stills. The bright colour schemes worn by most of the citizens just seem to fit right in as a future fashion.
Quote from: darnmarr on 04 September, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
Chatting about it is bringing it all back: I fucking love this film.
Abso-bloody-lutely...
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 04 September, 2012, 01:19:03 PM
Really the contemporary clothing is not noticable in the film as much as they are in the stills. The bright colour schemes worn by most of the citizens just seem to fit right in as a future fashion.
I concur, and just as the lack of flying cars actually makes the idea of this anarchic city feel more 'grounded'- I felt that, on screen, the non-costumed citizenry related the setting more closely to our own time, which in turn made the concept of this society-in-chaos more threatening and involving.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 September, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: darnmarr on 04 September, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
Chatting about it is bringing it all back: I fucking love this film.
Abso-bloody-lutely...
Hear hear! I absolutely cannot bloody wait to see it again.
Yo, Alex Garland, if you're reading this, in answer to your question about being nice about the film just because we were face to face - NO! IT'S BRILLIANT! I FERKIN LOVE YOU FOR MAKING THIS MOVIE!! :D
Quote from: radiator on 04 September, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
Likewise, theres a scene in the featurette where we see Dredd pacifying two unarmed perps with the 'stun' setting on his gun. Don't remember seeing that in the film, either.
This was the scene with the two juves who shout 'FREEZE!' at Dredd, who casually turns to them and asks 'Why?'.
Dredd shoots them with a stun shot. He's all heart.
Also, regarding the reasons for Slo Mo being illegal. This is Mega City One remember? Coffee and sugar are also illegal.
What? young perps shout 'FREEZE' and Dredd was reply; 'Why?'
Awesome!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 04 September, 2012, 01:35:33 PM
Also, regarding the reasons for Slo Mo being illegal. This is Mega City One remember? Coffee and sugar are also illegal.
Sequel to be filmed in revolutionary 'coffee-with-three-spoons-of-sugar'-o-vision. :lol:
Quote from: Goaty on 04 September, 2012, 01:37:08 PM
What? young perps shout 'FREEZE' and Dredd was reply; 'Why?'
Awesome!
I really hope you get to see a subtitled version of this soon Goaty, there were loads of cool little lines of dialogue from Dredd.
All this talking about it is just making me desperate to see it again. I think my wife'll be glad to see it with me just so I stop banging on about how good it was :)
I am so jealous of you guys right now. Hurry up Friday!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 04 September, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
I really hope you get to see a subtitled version of this soon Goaty, there were loads of cool little lines of dialogue from Dredd.
Aw thanks, 18 rated films rarely getting subtitled, and there is website which featured subtitle trailers, and that's means the films will be subtitled. But sadly Dredd trailer is not there, BUT Total Recall subtitled trailer was appeared on the website yesterday, so likely it will be three weeks waiting.
The Headbutt. That whole 'interrogation' scene is delightfully brutal.
Also the Lawmaster- all ye doubters concede that it looks badass on screen.
The '911 squad', love it when Dredd susses out the first Judge he runs into is a sellout.
Also the theme from Suff Box popping up was very welcome.
QuoteAlso, regarding the reasons for Slo Mo being illegal. This is Mega City One remember? Coffee and sugar are also illegal.
I wasn't asking why it was
illegal, I was asking why we - as an audience - should believe that this is A Bad Thing that needs to be stamped out. IIRC we didn't really see any side-effects or downsides to the drug - in fact it looked quite fun.
QuoteI am so jealous of you guys right now. Hurry up Friday!
Step away from the thread, you're only spoiling it for yourself.
Quote from: judgefett on 04 September, 2012, 01:48:06 PM
Also the theme from Suff Box popping up was very welcome.
Glad it wasn't just me imagining Matt Berry singing that.. I think I was sitting there open mouthed at the stage. So random.
Quote from: FoldsFive on 04 September, 2012, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: judgefett on 04 September, 2012, 01:48:06 PM
Also the theme from Suff Box popping up was very welcome.
Glad it wasn't just me imagining Matt Berry singing that.. I think I was sitting there open mouthed at the stage. So random.
I think my ears did the equivalent of a double take when that first popped up. Alex Garland is Matt Berry fan.
Quote from: judgefett on 04 September, 2012, 01:48:06 PM
The Headbutt. That whole 'interrogation' scene is delightfully brutal.
That's your character development right there, Dredd went from just plain pissed off to angry pissed off mother f@#$&! In this film.
Love talks about cool moments in Dredd 3D! Can't wait to see it again this Friday!
Quote from: radiator on 04 September, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
QuoteAlso, regarding the reasons for Slo Mo being illegal. This is Mega City One remember? Coffee and sugar are also illegal.
I wasn't asking why it was illegal, I was asking why we - as an audience - should believe that this is A Bad Thing that needs to be stamped out. IIRC we didn't really see any side-effects or downsides to the drug - in fact it looked quite fun.
Yeah, I'd like to have a go of it.
I suppose we're just supposed to assume that a brutal law enforcement ageny such as Justice Department would come down hard on any black market goods, drugs or not. There are plenty of people who believe cannabis is harmless and should be legalised but they'd still be arrested for using/dealing it.
Quote from: Goaty on 04 September, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
Love talks about cool moments in Dredd 3D! Can't wait to see it again this Friday!
Same here, its frustrating not being able to actually talk about it yet as most of my mates want to see it. Roll on Friday!
In our youth we had Dredd in 2000ad; we even had a film of sorts some years later, which was pretty good (although it wasn't the comic version exactly) but we've had and enjoyed the progs and we've had and enjoyed Robocop- one of the lurverly things about this new film is knowing its gonna blow some relatively youthful minds away because they've never had anything like it.
Hopefully.
Maybe not all of 'em but certainly some of 'em: check out the face on this yunfella...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyOaKY-gvBw
I just hope some kids will get to see it on DVD and it'll be to them what The Terminator and Total Recall were to me when I was that age.
Agreed,it should be some mythic legend like Predator or Alien was to my gen,scarface with the chainsaw...older brothers should be warping minds with this.
Ahhh, craftily setting the video to record Predator 2 because it's on after your bedtime, then waiting until your parents are out to watch it....
Personally, nothing I saw in my formative years gave me nightmares as much as the tunnel-ride in Willy Wonka or the 'child-catcher' in Chitty-chitty bang-bang...
Stephen King's IT, the mini-series, terrified me so much that I wouldn't watch anything 15 or 18 rated for a long, long time afterwards. I think I learnt my lesson....
I remember seeing the long-forgotten Dan Ackroyd/Gene Hackman movie Loose Cannons when I was very young, and being genuinely shocked and upset by the squib/blood when people were shot.
My only reference was things like Indiana Jones - where being shot would have no visible effect, other than perhaps a small patch of blood on the affected area.
To this day I have a problem with bloodless screen violence - it's genuinely harmful I think. If you're going to show explicit violence, you should show the grisly consequences.
I tend to disagree with the whole concept of certification anyway - I devoured violent films as a kid and it never did me any harm - and if something upset me, I would switch it off. It's good to be a little scared and upset within the realm of entertainment when you're a kid - I hate the way things are so sugar-coated and toothless these days.
Wasn't Aliens an 18? I remember seeing that when I was about 14 or so, and while I thoroughly enjoyed it, I really didn't understand why it had that certificate. I'd already seen that amount of violence in 2000AD and I'd learnt harsher language from the drunks that passed by in the street most weekends.
That said, I'm not about to let my 9 year old watch Dredd when it comes out on video, no matter how much she begs me!!
Quote from: radiator on 05 September, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
... the way things are so sugar-coated and toothless these days.
One of the great things about DREDD is illustrates this exact point magnificently: it feels like the roughest, toughest thing to surface in a millennia... even The Raid looks like a ballet-dance in comparison.
I dunno, The Raid was pretty damn brutal.
Quote from: radiator on 05 September, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
I remember seeing the long-forgotten Dan Ackroyd/Gene Hackman movie Loose Cannons when I was very young, and being genuinely shocked and upset by the squib/blood when people were shot.
My only reference was things like Indiana Jones - where being shot would have no visible effect, other than perhaps a small patch of blood on the affected area.
To this day I have a problem with bloodless screen violence - it's genuinely harmful I think. If you're going to show explicit violence, you should show the grisly consequences.
I tend to disagree with the whole concept of certification anyway - I devoured violent films as a kid and it never did me any harm - and if something upset me, I would switch it off. It's good to be a little scared and upset within the realm of entertainment when you're a kid - I hate the way things are so sugar-coated and toothless these days.
I think Raiders is pretty brutal for a PG. The tibetan getting shot in the head, the propellor death, being punched in the shoulder after being shot, let alone the head explodiness.
Yeah it's pulpy, but it's a long way from cowboy films with very little blood in it.
Quote from: radiator on 05 September, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
To this day I have a problem with bloodless screen violence - it's genuinely harmful I think. If you're going to show explicit violence, you should show the grisly consequences.
Completely agree.I tried clumsily to make this point to Alex, which that one of the things I really liked about Dredd is it showed the very real impact and consequences of violence -you do x THIS is what happens, which you very rarely see, it's mostly glossed over over hyped with some overly dramatic score.
QuoteI think Raiders is pretty brutal for a PG. The tibetan getting shot in the head, the propellor death, being punched in the shoulder after being shot, let alone the head explodiness.
Perhaps not the best example - I actually didn't see Raiders until much later on.
Maybe James Bond is a better one?
I can remember feeling sick for the first time in a cinema-
When the Dr gets it in his chest, through the book he holds up to defend himself, by Maximillian's spinning arms in The Black Hole.
I was about 8 maybe ?
Last time was last year, the poor guy being forced to kill himself with a blunt bamboo sword in Hara-Kiri: Death of a Samurai.....scene lasted about 5 mins ( it felt)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1728196/
Violence is odd- I really didn't like the first death in DREDD, but compared to the other deaths in the film, it was probably one of the tamest.
Quote from: radiator on 05 September, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
I dunno, The Raid was pretty damn brutal.
Maybe it's just me,- but I couldn't buy into it: they seemed to be dancing as much as fighting... nobody got tired, and you cant slice anything with a cylindrical florescent light-bulb like that.
All that kind of choreography goes with the territory i guess. I thought the corridor/brawl sequences were superb, but found the one on one/one on two fights a little tedious and overlong.
I certainly wouldn't put it anywhere near the best action movies I've seen, but as far as the martial arts genre goes (not a fan on the whole) it was enjoyable stuff.
The Raid... Why did nobody ever pick up a fucking gun???
Because 'that's like getting take-out' and they all fancied themselves as the Nigella Lawsons of brutality.
Very weird...
I was just in Heathrow Airport working when someone behind me asked a question...I looked around to find it was Alex Garland..... :o :o :o :o :o.....We had a good chat 20 minute about the Dredd and Minty ( He remembered me from last weeks screening...)...I gave him my card and off he went.....What a coincidence..I must be giving off some subliminal Dredd vibe... :D
Quote from: nicklambo on 05 September, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
Very weird...
I was just in Heathrow Airport working when someone behind me asked a question...I looked around to find it was Alex Garland..... :o :o :o :o :o.....We had a good chat 20 minute about the Dredd and Minty ( He remembered me from last weeks screening...)...I gave him my card and off he went.....What a coincidence..I must be giving off some subliminal Dredd vibe... :D
Oh lucky basta--- oh wait, I did met him last week :D
Quote from: nicklambo on 05 September, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
Very weird...
I was just in Heathrow Airport working when someone behind me asked a question...I looked around to find it was Alex Garland..... :o :o :o :o :o.....We had a good chat 20 minute about the Dredd and Minty ( He remembered me from last weeks screening...)...I gave him my card and off he went.....What a coincidence..I must be giving off some subliminal Dredd vibe... :D
Or it's reverse stalking... ;)
Imagine that, damn Karl Urban just won't leave me alone! Might have to get a restraining order. :D
I had Olivia Thirlby and Lena Headey fighting in my front garden _again_ last night. I wish they'd be quieter about it
Yeah..it was fun in the beginning, and it's nice that he was reading the boards but Alex should really stop following us around at this stage :lol:
Seriously, I was thinking what I'd say if I met him again and the Clarence Whorley/Lee Donowtz exchange from 'True Romance' sums my feelings up pretty well...
"Clarence:You know, most of these movies that win a lot of Oscars, I can't stand them.
They're all safe, geriatric coffee-table dogshit.
Lee:We park our cars in the same garage.
Clarence:All those assholes make are unwatchable movies from unreadable books.
Mad Max, that's a movie. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, that's a movie.
Rio Bravo, that's a movie.
And Dredd...
that was a fuckin' movie."
Or words to that effect...
I wonder if Olivia Thirlby did her own sex scenes. Looked like a body double to me.
12 pages yet no mention of Walter & Maria?
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 05 September, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
I wonder if Olivia Thirlby did her own sex scenes. Looked like a body double to me.
The DVD/Bluray will tell all, with it's freezeframey glory.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 05 September, 2012, 09:42:16 PM
I wonder if Olivia Thirlby did her own sex scenes. Looked like a body double to me.
I must admit I wondered the same thing.
I forgot to mention, how sexy do Anderson looks in her helmet?
Quote from: Goaty on 06 September, 2012, 11:01:04 AM
I forgot to mention, how sexy do Anderson looks in her helmet?
You should've seen her on set ;)
She wasn't at the screening: clearly my comment on the boards about no longer wanting her for my wife sent her into an agoraphobic depression.
Quote from: darnmarr on 06 September, 2012, 03:38:07 PM
She wasn't at the screening: clearly my comment on the boards about no longer wanting her for my wife sent her into an agoraphobic depression.
What's rabbit fur got to do with anything?
That's between me and Olivia and I'm far too much of a gentleman to go into details...
Quote from: Michaelvk on 06 September, 2012, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: darnmarr on 06 September, 2012, 03:38:07 PM
She wasn't at the screening: clearly my comment on the boards about no longer wanting her for my wife sent her into an agoraphobic depression.
What's rabbit fur got to do with anything?
3rd base... or is it 4th?
Which scenes you like to re-watch in the film?
Spoilery new trailer, but the best one yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZvfAYdn4DA&feature=g-u-u
I was glad that medic got it, that'll teach the drokker :lol:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 06 September, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
I was glad that medic got it, that'll teach the drokker :lol:
By the way, did you pick up the 'give them the good news' being an ex squaddie?
I did indeed but I couldn't let out too big a chuckle as I might have seemed odder ;)
I really love one scene where Dredd "FUCK YOU TOO, MA-MA!"
Got to admit I was a trifle miffed at just how spoilerific the various trailers were. Not quite on the scale of Prometheus (where you could literally piece together the entire plot) but still disappointing.
That latest trailer shows Ma Ma's No1's death. I just wish they didn't shove everything in :'(
I've just seen the best comic book film ever.
Best Dredd Movie Ever.
- C
Hurrah :D
We SHALL have a Dreddmas!
The Lawmaste,the interigation,the headbutt,badass windpipe kungfu chop,awesome gunplay,the giant fucking gattling guns,Anderson( phwoar) and Sir Urban.
Enjoyed i more than the cliched Avengers and Dark Knight ....its gonna get some hammer on Bluray.
just got back from the film-
Thank you!!!
loved the little touches also ( chopper scrawl, Kenny Who, block names etc )
Just got back.
By Christ, that was just incredible!!
Every aspect, from the performances, dialogue, effects, locations, sound, music, camera work, design...was pure perfection!
I loved the little touches, like the announcement that the mall would re-open in 30 minutes after they cleaned up the brains and guts, the Chopper(and others...Goaty, Kenny who?, Minty etc) graffiti.
I actually felt a lump in my throat at the (strangely beautiful) death of Ma-ma. Not because I felt sorry for her, but all the aspects on screen, together with the choral music just seemed so perfect.
I winced at"Choke on this" and felt like punching the air and nodded along with Dredd when he said "Yeah!"!
I'm rambling, so I 'll just finish by saying Urban IS Dredd, Thirlby IS Anderson, Alex IS the man!I hope we get a sequel, but if not, everyone should be proud of this work of art....1995 NEVER happened!!
Quote from: Goaty on 06 September, 2012, 09:26:49 PM
I really love one scene where Dredd "FUCK YOU TOO, MA-MA!"
Spotted you Goaty ;)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 07 September, 2012, 04:57:57 PM
Spotted you Goaty ;)
Awesome! I was surprised that my Goaty last 5 seconds, not blink 'n' miss!
My Review:
http://cool-stuff-you-will-like.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/dredd-3d-film-review.html
Poor old Danny Cannon. Who he again?
Just got back. Still recovering from Thrill Bloat. That is without doubt the most drokking merciless portrayal of the pulverising effect of an explosion's blast wave on a body that I could have imagined ever seeing in any movie! Oh, and the rest of the film? Drokk me bandy, that was... well, no other way of putting it. That film is Dredd.
I'm assuming this is the thread for folks who've seen it, so SPOILERS AHEAD....
Just back from a day at the cinema, I was on my way out of the morning screening and saw another was starting so bought another ticket and went right back in. That's actually never happened to me before.
Still reeling from it a bit, but it's a very good sign that I loved it the first time and then enjoyed it considerably more the second.
It's just tremendous. It nails every element. The city looks incredible, the Judges look brilliantly badass, the weapons are all really chunky and the action really bone crunching and visceral, and I found myself clenching my fists really hard with childish excitement when the lawmaster first tore onto the screen.
If I keep listing the things I loved about it I'll be here all day. Seriously though, what about those performances?!? Thirlby is fantastic as Anderson, Headey is so incredibly menacingly badass as Ma Ma, and Urban just is Dredd. He is him. His amazing turn coupled with the writing gives Dredd just the right balance of inscrutable monolithic toughness and gallows humor (there are some brilliantly funny lines in there, but importantly it's the right kind of funny, and perfect for the tone).
I can't quite believe that after months of hearing people criticize those early shots and predicting a turkey, they've completely knocked it out of the park. In fact, while watching the film it crossed my mind (and this might get me shot down) that I prefer the Dredd uniform in the movie than in the comics. Sorry, it just looks amazing in action.
I'm banging on I know, but it's hard to stop. It wasn't as violent as I expected, or rather it's violent but rarely (if ever) as gory as the slo-mo shootout that the clip was taken from. It still has some shocking moments though, and the screening(s) I was in you could feel the room reacting to some deaths.
I did panic at one point when Dredd says "2 way split" because before I processed what he meant I thought he was about to fire a Double Whammy shot.
Also, not at all a criticism of the movie, but the trailers show far too much. I guess if they get people into the cinema they've done their job, but some of the really crucial moments and lines are in those trailers (particularly the Ma Ma death, it's madness to show that) and that does affect your experience viewing something. Also, it's obvious that the mid-movie revelation that Ma Ma is in the mastermind of the slo-mo is supposed to be a reveal, but it's in the voiceover of the trailer (see also the[spoiler] "It's a ship!" [/spoiler]reveal in Prometheus). It's a shame because it's clearly been written to be a surprise or to up the stakes at that point, but you knew it when you sat down.
Anyway, that's me criticizing the trailer campaign in retrospect, when the main thing is that the movie itself is absolutely fantastic. I'm just such a very, very happy Dredd fan today and am already planning a third trip :D
It's a week old but got lost in a myriad of posts at the time .. a week old but spoiler free regardless :)
http://www.foldsfive.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/dredd-3d-verdict-spoiler-free.html
Quote from: WhitBloke on 07 September, 2012, 05:20:55 PM
Poor old Danny Cannon. Who he again?
Just got back. Still recovering from Thrill Bloat. That is without doubt the most drokking merciless portrayal of the pulverising effect of an explosion's blast wave on a body that I could have imagined ever seeing in any movie! Oh, and the rest of the film? Drokk me bandy, that was... well, no other way of putting it. That film is Dredd.
Absolutely, you've distilled my rambling into one sentence. It is Dredd.
While I'm here though, the Kenny Who? graffiti made me chuckle, but the Chopper one actually made me emit a little excited yelp that probably made me look quite mad.
Can anyone clarify a line for me though? There's a point where Ma Ma is talking about the territories she can expand into and she discounts one of them, saying "That's still .... territory". Neither time could I work out what she said there, "red" territory or something? Thought it might be a cool reference that I missed.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
I'm assuming this is the thread for folks who've seen it, so SPOILERS AHEAD....
Just back from a day at the cinema, I was on my way out of the morning screening and saw another was starting so bought another ticket and went right back in. That's actually never happened to me before.
Still reeling from it a bit, but it's a very good sign that I loved it the first time and then enjoyed it considerably more the second.
It's just tremendous. It nails every element. The city looks incredible, the Judges look brilliantly badass, the weapons are all really chunky and the action really bone crunching and visceral, and I found myself clenching my fists really hard with childish excitement when the lawmaster first tore onto the screen.
If I keep listing the things I loved about it I'll be here all day. Seriously though, what about those performances?!? Thirlby is fantastic as Anderson, Headey is so incredibly menacingly badass as Ma Ma, and Urban just is Dredd. He is him. His amazing turn coupled with the writing gives Dredd just the right balance of inscrutable monolithic toughness and gallows humor (there are some brilliantly funny lines in there, but importantly it's the right kind of funny, and perfect for the tone).
I can't quite believe that after months of hearing people criticize those early shots and predicting a turkey, they've completely knocked it out of the park. In fact, while watching the film it crossed my mind (and this might get me shot down) that I prefer the Dredd uniform in the movie than in the comics. Sorry, it just looks amazing in action.
I'm banging on I know, but it's hard to stop. It wasn't as violent as I expected, or rather it's violent but rarely (if ever) as gory as the slo-mo shootout that the clip was taken from. It still has some shocking moments though, and the screening(s) I was in you could feel the room reacting to some deaths.
I did panic at one point when Dredd says "2 way split" because before I processed what he meant I thought he was about to fire a Double Whammy shot.
Also, not at all a criticism of the movie, but the trailers show far too much. I guess if they get people into the cinema they've done their job, but some of the really crucial moments and lines are in those trailers (particularly the Ma Ma death, it's madness to show that) and that does affect your experience viewing something. Also, it's obvious that the mid-movie revelation that Ma Ma is in the mastermind of the slo-mo is supposed to be a reveal, but it's in the voiceover of the trailer (see also the[spoiler] "It's a ship!" [/spoiler]reveal in Prometheus). It's a shame because it's clearly been written to be a surprise or to up the stakes at that point, but you knew it when you sat down.
Anyway, that's me criticizing the trailer campaign in retrospect, when the main thing is that the movie itself is absolutely fantastic. I'm just such a very, very happy Dredd fan today and am already planning a third trip :D
Good stuff there, Keef.
I had some of the exact same observations regarding the two way split and the Slo Mo production - it took me a moment to readjust that that was supposed to be new information.
Glad it ssems to be so well-received, I was expecting at least one or two of us to take against it.
QuoteCan anyone clarify a line for me though? There's a point where Ma Ma is talking about the territories she can expand into and she discounts one of them, saying "That's still .... territory". Neither time could I work out what she said there, "red" territory or something? Thought it might be a cool reference that I missed.
No, she's just talking about another gang - the Reds, or Redds. You can see the name in Mama's origin montage.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
Can anyone clarify a line for me though? There's a point where Ma Ma is talking about the territories she can expand into and she discounts one of them, saying "That's still .... territory". Neither time could I work out what she said there, "red" territory or something? Thought it might be a cool reference that I missed.
I think she said it was still RED territory, Mr Monkey.
Quote from: WhitBloke on 07 September, 2012, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
Can anyone clarify a line for me though? There's a point where Ma Ma is talking about the territories she can expand into and she discounts one of them, saying "That's still .... territory". Neither time could I work out what she said there, "red" territory or something? Thought it might be a cool reference that I missed.
I believe Radiator's ears were at least as sharp as mine at that point, Mr Monkey, though probably sharper since I was busy being blown away like a first-timer unlike he! :) I think she said it was still RED territory.
Very good, very good indeed.
A brilliant introduction to the world of Dredd, so please - let there be a sequel(s).
Its low budget origins didnt really show, or take you out of the movie, i thought. Kinda like smaller scale movies anyway, but Dredd, overall looked great. And Mega City One looked the biz, though id have liked to have see more of the city - a bit more colour, and it cant all be slums, surely.
Thought the 3D worked really well, and in several scenes, absolutely so. Was all i could do to stop myself reaching out and trying to touch things! MaMa, Anderson and of course Dredd were all spot-on, and i liked how Dredd (the film) didnt always focus on Dredd (the character), as with the comics, the city and its characters do often take centre stage, though not for too long. And i hardly ever thought about the comic Dredd whilst watching this, so id say Dredd now has a life outside of the prog, which is summat that couldnt be said back in '95. The much talked about gore/blood/guts/willie chewing wasnt OTT, and in truth, that visible either, though its certainly an strong film. Caught a good few nods to the forum, but i suspect i missed many as well.
Goaty, was that graffiti figure on the wall, yours? And was that a cameo by the actor who plays Judge Minty?
For a workday, and a gloriously sunny one at that, there was a decent audience present at my screening.
Kermodes review is online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode
Finished work early and saw it again this afternoon, actually enjoyed it more the second time round, no nerves about it being poor.Picked up more of the easter eggs this time, like the Judge Child reference and Fatties Rule, still haven't spotted them all yet, but I'll be definately seeing it again and again.The soundtrack also sounded even better for some reason.
Besides the main characters special mention also of Domhnall Gleeson as Clan Techie (CCTV guy)and Langley Kirkwood as Judge Lex who were both excellent.
Does run well as an intro movie, which hopefully (fingers crossed) it is.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 September, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
Goaty, was that graffiti figure on the wall, yours?
Yep :D
(http://i.imgur.com/C0K0E.gif)
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 07 September, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
Kermodes review is online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode
You're in it.
Sadly I lost Mr Kermode at the Robert Z'Dar reference.
Quote from: Goaty on 07 September, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 September, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
Goaty, was that graffiti figure on the wall, yours?
Yep :D
No, not that one Goaty, at another point in the film there appeared to be a Goat like horned figure/drawing that had been graffiti-ed onto a wall.
After seeing this I'm still a bit shaken and frazzled. About 8-9 folk in the audience and Mrs Misfit the only female. (The scariest part of the experience was emerging from the theatre into a darkened and empty multiplex foyer - soulless, unsettling and resembling Peach Trees Block itself).
This is a film like no other, it had a unique look and feel and really is quite artful (hate the word 'arty') for a frenetic action pic. Safe to say, Urban IS Dredd, but for me, this was Anderson's film (What an awful first day at work...). Olivia Thirlby makes the part her own (and is gorgeous! ) - How many of us will be freeze-framing the inside-your-head sex scene when the DVD is released? Oh, just me then.
Ultra violent, fast paced, sweaty and grimy (I felt like having a shower as the end credits rolled) there are just too many stand-out scenes to list (fave; the van chase and the fate of the hapless pedestrian; - horribly, bleakly funny). And this film is weird - ( no one seems to mention just how unnerving it all appears)Yes, it is grounded in a claustrophobic blood & bullets grungy reality, but the whole movie is a surreal experience (and not just the 3D or Slo-Mo effects - the tone is beautifully strange).
To conclude: I loved it, so did my Dredd-savvy wife, but here's hoping there's a little more futuristic/sci fi elements in the sequels.(if we get any sequels, that is).
Oh, did you all spot the Judge Child reference?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 September, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
No, not that one Goaty, at another point in the film there appeared to be a Goat like horned figure/drawing that had been graffiti-ed onto a wall.
Really?? Alex Garland mentioned to me, there is three "Goaty"s there... So you found 2nd one!!
Which scene it was before or after so I will check it at cinema tomorrow!
Goaty, you jammy git! 3 references! That's just showing off..
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 07 September, 2012, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 07 September, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
Judge Child reference
Missed That, Where?
Poster outside the phone booth that Dredd uses as a set up to grease some perps.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 September, 2012, 06:06:30 PM
Goaty, you jammy git! 3 references! That's just showing off..
Thoughts you should know as you work there!
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 07 September, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
Kermodes review is online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode
Don't understand what his problem with the 3D is, it looked spectacular and really added to the film, unless his own eyesight has a problem with it like some others.
Missed most references bar Goatys and a Joe one ,think it was Mr Soaps old name??
Judge Child ? nope missed,too busy being in utter shock at finally getting a 2000AD film.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 September, 2012, 06:06:30 PM
Goaty, you jammy git! 3 references! That's just showing off..
Innit!
Quote from: Goaty on 07 September, 2012, 06:03:44 PM
Which scene it was before or after so I will check it at cinema tomorrow!
Blimey errrr, sorry but its all still flying round my head, so i cant remember exactly. Was on-screen and visible for a good few seconds though. Think it was around the point when Dredd first leaves Anderson with the perp. Cant think, but if it comes back to me.....
I had no idea.. They rarely ever let me out of the office, and I practically had to beg to go work on set..
Never caught the Judge Child reference, was it the film poster? I figured that must have been important but I never quite clicked to what it was there for.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Never caught the Judge Child reference, was it the film poster? I figured that must have been important but I never quite clicked to what it was there for.
Yes, the name Owen Krysler is on it.
By the looks of things the second wave has gone in.. I'm on the third wave for a 2130 landing.. Though I reckon it might be quiet due to the stupid football..
Quote from: Albion on 07 September, 2012, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 September, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Never caught the Judge Child reference, was it the film poster? I figured that must have been important but I never quite clicked to what it was there for.
Yes, the name Owen Krysler is on it.
It was called Krysler's Mark or the Mark of Krysler
Not a review as such but the highlight of my day was my brother ringing me as he left the cinema, babbling like an excited seven year old! What a special day this is!
Quote from: Pete Wells on 07 September, 2012, 07:27:18 PM
Not a review as such but the highlight of my day was my brother ringing me as he left the cinema, babbling like an excited seven year old! What a special day this is!
Where's a like button when you need it?
Glad you guys have been enjoying the film.
Now, has anyone been inspired enough by The Judged to get an all-over head tattoo?
Give Burdis a couple of spare moments.
Quote from: Robo-K33F on 07 September, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
Glad you guys have been enjoying the film.
Now, has anyone been inspired enough by The Judged to get an all-over head tattoo?
No but I'm thinking of a full arm of a Dredd comic page,pannel,speech bubbles the works...this got me thinking
http://www.binnit.com/view.php?i=5033b06110c9b
Imagine some classic McMahon or Bolland
Quote from: Robo-K33F on 07 September, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
Glad you guys have been enjoying the film.
Now, has anyone been inspired enough by The Judged to get an all-over head tattoo?
No, but for a brief, insane, moment, I did think of cutting my knob off and then getting a tattoo on my testes saying"Ma-Ma was here"...
Chuffster, that's one helluva compliment.. I suppose it'd need a matching one on your ring piece saying 'sly was here'
Quote from: Michaelvk on 07 September, 2012, 08:09:25 PM
Chuffster, that's one helluva compliment.. I suppose it'd need a matching one on your ring piece saying 'sly was here'
"...and he raped my childhood"??
:lol:
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 07 September, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: Robo-K33F on 07 September, 2012, 07:36:56 PM
Glad you guys have been enjoying the film.
Now, has anyone been inspired enough by The Judged to get an all-over head tattoo?
No, but for a brief, insane, moment, I did think of cutting my knob off and then getting a tattoo on my testes saying"Ma-Ma was here"...
That's dedication!
Just want to thank everyone involved in making such a brilliant film-it was so good , I saw it twice.
With more viewings pencilled in tomorrow.
Deeper musings on Dredd to follow, but for now I'd just like to say that the highest compliment I can give is that I would jump at the chance see Karl Urban and Olivia Thirlby reprise their roles and explore more stories set in Mega-City One and beyond!
Please make it so Mr Box-office takings!
I'm going into my review relatively cold having just got home and not having looked through this thread I've also avoided much of the movie talk here in an seemingly futile attempt to stay spoiler free (which I'll come back to), so apologies if what I say is going over old ground, I'll find out in a bit when I read this thread. I'm also assuming in a thread with this title there is absolutely no need for spoiler tags. So beware as there are some beauts to come I suspect.
Overall though I'd say the film is a qualified triumph. The main qualification being the constraints put on it by its budget and therefore its scale, in terms of how far it could go with showing the city and its people. The extent it was able to do this meant that it all but lost one of the strips main strengths, that of satire. Shame but understandable. That said it became one of the films strongest points maybe as it made it incredibly focused and wonderfully focused on the characters and there interaction. The best thing about it being Dredd and Anderson's relationship. The principal actors were fantastic, Urban and Headey in-particular.
One bit that I really didn't get on with was Dredd forcing Ma-Ma to take slo-mo right at the end there. While it lead to some stunning visuals and therefore I can see why they did it, it seemed too vindictive for Dredd and really didn't sit well with me. Mind since Wagner has had nothing but praise what do I know!
Whether by osmosis, carelessness, or just the bloody way they make trailers these days I seemed to have the story and the end in my head already. Shame as if I'd have gone in completely cold I think it would have been all the more enjoyable. Still there were still some surprises, who knew about the rogue Judges (well people who read the leaked script I guess) but that was great.
It looked wonderful, again limitations aside, and as I've never seen a 3D film before (A tenner to see a film when did that happen!??!) but was really pleasantly surprised by how well it was used to enhance, rather than as a gimmick. The same with the Slo-mo bits, not over used and done very effectively.
So many wonderful touches and nods of the head to so much that immediately make this a DVD purchase so I can see how many more I can spot.
I'm not a believer that comic stories are generally well served by adaption to film and so went in to this without the same feelings of hype that I know many here have (mind this is the first time I've seen a film in the first day of release since I think the Star Wars re-releases back in the 90s!). Given that though this was a very effective adaption and one of the better ones I've seen and really backed up Alex Garland's love of the character. It was a hard and powerful film that squeezed as more character out of the situation than I had any right to expect.
As I said a qualified triumph.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 07 September, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 07 September, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
Kermodes review is online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode
You're in it.
Finally listened to it and most of the letter made in on the show but they cut out my funny bit towards the end 8-?
I read the slomo bit at the end was more to help delay the detonation of the trigger, not sure if that was the case or not though.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 September, 2012, 09:34:18 PM
I read the slomo bit at the end was more to help delay the detonation of the trigger, not sure if that was the case or not though.
Arh now that would shout me up, hadn't considered that.
Or even shut.. whatever you prefer!
Don't think the Slomo would make a difference. She goes when she goes...she's not gonna stop her heartbeat any quicker by not having Solomon. Just come back from seeing it and as a man with a Judge tattoo on my arm I am damn proud.
Great twists
Great lines
Beautiful little in jokes (I don't think I blinked for the full length of the film)
Anderson, spot on
So many times I looked at Dredd and thought yeah I remember that image from such and such an issue.
And for the first time in 30 years of reading I felt the fear he must have being under threat all the time...and is there any more disconcerting than a smiling Judge? Made me think of the psycho one that went to South America with that imaginary blue guy in his head..
Smiley judges freak me out!
But not as much as growling ones...and what a nice surprise to be able to understand him unlike Batman!
Loved it, absolutely epic!
Quote from: thejudgemuffin on 07 September, 2012, 09:46:24 PM
is there any more disconcerting than a smiling Judge? Made me think of the psycho one that went to South America with that imaginary blue guy in his head..
:D
Anyone else feel as excited as they did when they used to walk back from the shops with the comic under their arm. I'm genuinely giddy. Haha. Love it!
One word review. More later. Arsom!
So do anyone love one scene when Dredd did "Fuck You Too" to Ma-Ma with her no 1?
Who-hoo that was excellent. Really lived up to the hype and it was great scene after great scene. Spotted loads of stuff - who did Joe Soap blow for that appearance?! Krysler, Chopper, Kenny Who? - amazed the comic was nodded to so much - real labour of love for all concerned. Can't wait to go again and the DVD frame by frame. Any justice in the world it'll do a bomb.
Paying 12 quid to watch it in fuzzy 3d kinda took the shine off. I had to go ask for replacement glasses twice as it looked like they had been attacked with a cheese grater but it was still fuzzy and shit.
The MPAA/BPI wonders why all the cool kids are stealing movies off the internets. It's because Odeon don't give out free lube so they can fuck me some more. They could at least try to understand the basics of prostitution and leave me some cash on the sideboard when they fuck me.
Fuck you Odeon, fuck you all the way to hell.
I give this movie this smilie face :o despite the cinema being a jerk.
Also screw Odeon.
Quote from: Durendal on 07 September, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Paying 12 quid to watch it in fuzzy 3d kinda took the shine off. I had to go ask for replacement glasses twice as it looked like they had been attacked with a cheese grater but it was still fuzzy and shit.
The MPAA/BPI wonders why all the cool kids are stealing movies off the internets. It's because Odeon don't give out free lube so they can fuck me some more. They could at least try to understand the basics of prostitution and leave me some cash on the sideboard when they fuck me.
Fuck you Odeon, fuck you all the way to hell.
I give this movie this smilie face :o despite the cinema being a jerk.
Also screw Odeon.
They had to stop the film at my flicks because the wrong lens was on the projector...methinks its a reoccurring problem?
Quote from: thejudgemuffin on 07 September, 2012, 09:58:26 PM
Anyone else feel as excited as they did when they used to walk back from the shops with the comic under their arm. I'm genuinely giddy. Haha. Love it!
I do! Like the day I still vividly remember standing on the High Street and my Mum giving me Prog 87 out of the shopping bag (to shut me up no doubt) and gazing at a stupendous Bellardinelli cover of Big Hungry :D
So yes, I started today with an aching jaw from the dentist, now it's aching from not having stopped grinning since coming out of the pictures!
So much to say, a lot of which would just echo what a lot of you have said, such as "Urban IS Dredd". He really is. From the start I suffered a bit from having read and seen so much of it (well we have been drooling over it all for years!) and having a bit of a critical eye on it all, but at some point, I was completely immersed, it WAS Dredd and from the Avon (sorry, he'll always be Barksdale to me. True) mindfuck scene (but building up from the mother's apartment) onwards, Thirlby WAS Anderson. Can't compliment both of them enough, bloody fantastic!
Totally missed Goaty! Was looking out for it too, but that bit was too engrossing I guess (having seen the clip posted). Will give you a cheer next time Goaty! As has been said, much closer viewings to come!
Some of the more memorable bits for me, aside from a lot mentioned already, were me and my 2 mates all raising a fist and half shouting "Yay" when the Chopper grafitti appeared :D and Dredd's "Yeah" at the end, utterly Dirty Harry!
One complaint. It's not enough! I want more! Much more!
Shouts to MichaelVK, Lawgiver was great! You should be reinstated with a full judicial pardon for the sequel!
One thing that stuck me. Ma Ma's death scene. I'm not saying it was influenced by it and I'd be more impressed if it was, but it reminded me of this...
Isis - Holy Tears (if you don't like the music, skip through, the main bit's at 4 minutes ;))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWjhxnVcmgg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWjhxnVcmgg)
So yeah, Merry Dreddmas to each and every one of you :D
Stuck me? *Struck* ::)
Loved it, what an awesome film, Dredd's character caoptured perfectly... I won't go over all the fantastic bits as they've all been mentioned, but I had one big problem with the movie.
From what I knew beforehand, I assumed that Slo-Mo would slow the user's perception of time, thereby giving them super-fast reflexes, so they could dodge bullets etc; but it didn't seem to do that. They just got to watch themselves being blown away in slow motion. As a drug it makes no sense whatsoever - what's the appeal? If you live in a shitty slumblock, you want a drug that makes time go away, not spins out the grimness, however pretty your bathwater looks. Of course there may be other effects not mentioned (maybe you get that emotive orchestral music too),but it seems infeasible that this would be a popular narcotic.
Plainly, it's just a handy maguffin to justify lots of slow drawn out exploding heads and shattering explosions in 3D. Now I've always disliked slow-motion as a cinematic technique, it smacks of melodrama and a lazy stretching out of a moment for painfully maximum effect. For example, I loved the Matrix films,. but hated all that bullet-time shit. In Dredd, I loved all the real-time action but got irritated every time it went slow mo.
I read through 17 pages to see if anyone else mentioned, this, si I guess it's just me.
Best film I've seen in years though, but after all the talk round here for the last week, I don't think anything could have lived up to that level of expectation.
Nah, that'd be weird, although admittedly awesome. I see it as very much like acid. Er, or so I've been told.
I liked the slo-mo bits but you've got a point I guess and in respect of the Matrix comparison, that's exactly what that did do, but Slo-Mo doesn't. It certainly wasn't overdone in the film, but by Grud, the bathwater did look lovely ;)
Also saw it today, also thought it was arsom.
Couple in the queue behind me debating whether to see Dredd or TDKR. I obviously turned around and recommended Dredd, and that made their indecisive minds up for them - so Dredd 2, Batman 0 there...
I can never see 3D, and was worried that I'd have massive headaches and would not be able to see the picture clearly - as it turned out, I just couldn't see the 3D effects but the picture was clear with the glasses on and was not a problem - still not worth the premium price to me but hey - at least it didn't ruin the experience!
Anderson really stood out for me - I thought they got her character spot on, and I loved the references to other mutants!
Really quiet screening though - might be because I went to a 4:50pm showing. Rest of cinema also deserted.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 September, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
What's the appeal? If you live in a shitty slumblock, you want a drug that makes time go away, not spins out the grimness, however pretty your bathwater looks. Of course there may be other effects not mentioned (maybe you get that emotive orchestral music too),but it seems infeasible that this would be a popular narcotic.
Best film I've seen in years though, but after all the talk round here for the last week, I don't think anything could have lived up to that level of expectation.
I think that's the point of the drug. Your block is a grimy, crime-ridden shithole. Slo-mo makes everything beautiful, gives you a sense of euphoria and seems to last for aaaaaaages. I guess that's why they take it.
As for the hype, we watched the film in a room with Wagner and Ezquerra!!!! They could have put Mary Poppins on that screen and I'd have been raving about it!
Chuffed you loved it DDD.
The idea is Slo-Mo slows your perception so much that you can escape from real life for what seems like hours even though in real time, it's probably just a quick hit. It doesn't speed up your reflexes. How could it? You're essentially living time at a different speed than reality. I would assume getting your jollies while on Slo-Mo's probably a pretty great experience if it slows down time so something that lasts fifteen seconds and two crooked humps, in my case, would go on for seemingly hours.
It's different way of getting high.
Quote from: blackmocco on 07 September, 2012, 11:05:03 PM
The idea is Slo-Mo slows your perception so much that you can escape from real life for what seems like hours even though in real time, it's probably just a quick hit. It doesn't speed up your reflexes. How could it? You're essentially living time at a different speed than reality. I would assume getting your jollies while on Slo-Mo's probably a pretty great experience if it slows down time so something that lasts fifteen seconds and two crooked humps, in my case, would go on for seemingly hours.
Absolutely. In that respect, Slo-Mo is very much like acid. I don't want to labour that point but it is and it's an appeal that isn't apparent to the outsider. Like anything, we've all seen people stagger up the road out of the pub, where's the appeal in that? At the time, everything.
Another thing mentioned that I loved was the huge Wagner & Ezquerra credit. That's respect :)
Quote from: Mudcrab on 07 September, 2012, 11:11:02 PM
Another thing mentioned that I loved was the huge Wagner & Ezquerra credit. That's respect :)
Yep as they were sit next to me at the preview screening last week, when it appears, that was so amazing moment, both were smiling :) everyone were cheerings!
one of the newspaper reviews described it as "a narcotic whose only function seems to be to make gunfights look really cool". I guess the euphoria must be implied, otherwise it'd be a crappy drug, so fair enough.
My main issue though was that plot-wise it could've been any drug, slo-mo seemed to only be there as a thinly-veiled plot device to show off cutting-edge SFX techniques, and that's never a good idea for the longevity of a movie - Like those early 3d movies that always included contrived scenes of things coming out of the screen for no reason.
Quote from: Goaty on 07 September, 2012, 11:14:02 PM
Quote from: Mudcrab on 07 September, 2012, 11:11:02 PM
Another thing mentioned that I loved was the huge Wagner & Ezquerra credit. That's respect :)
Yep as they were sit next to me at the preview screening last week, when it appears, that was so amazing moment, both were smiling :) everyone were cheerings!
That's brilliant :D I'd say I was jealous but that's wrong, really happy for you and everyone else that got to meet them all!
Loved it!
With regards to Slo-Mo giving fast reflexes why would it?
It's like any real illegal narcotic..used to take you to another place
Cannabis..if you smoke enough..Ketamine..completely alter your perception of the world without super powers ;)
There was a lot I'd managed to avoid in spoilers..the Crooked Judges were a pleasant surprise..thought Lex was good
Lawmaster looks much better than I thought..the chase scene and beginning was probably my favourite bit!!
Just wish it had a bigger budget..I love Garlands vision of Dredd..I just pray it has the opportunity to expand
Well to all who experienced that today after all those years of waiting...
Goodnight. Sleep tight. Don't let the Dreddbugs bite!!!
As with any drug we use recreationally - it's used to make enjoyable things more enjoyable - try to imagine fucking on slo-mo & voila.
Anyway - just came back from the film.
Firstly - never seen a 3D film before & I never will again. Bloody useless. Hated 3D.
On the positive side, it was quite fun.
It wasn't really Judge Dredd though.
It wasn't funny.
Anderson wasn't Anderson. The name & the fact that she's Psi were the only similarities.
Lots of cool nods to the comic. That was groovy.
I'm gonna have to see it again in 2D, really.
It was good. Not great.
SBT will hate it.
Well, glad not sit next to exilewood! :lol:
Quote from: Beeks on 07 September, 2012, 11:21:42 PM
Lawmaster looks much better than I thought..the chase scene and beginning was probably my favourite bit!!
Yes! They were fantastic! All the way home I was imagining I was on a Lawmaster :lol: Luckily I drive a boring Golf and not a GSX-R or something :D
On the Slo-Mo thing reaction time thing though? This one time (lol) I came home from a night out and utterly smashed my mate's Soul Calibur survival mode record. Seriously, we were both hovering around 8/9 and I got to something like 18. No coincidence! ;)
Oh and my fave line was definitely
Young Perps: Freeze!
Dredd: Why?
Classic :lol:
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It wasn't really Judge Dredd though.
Disagree, that dude was Judge Dredd. Hard as nails, not much with the talking and pretty damn scary. Maybe not a specific dredd you have in your head, but I reckon they nailed it (the only off note for me was the 'hotshot' which felt like a throwback to 'double whammy' - so much so, that when dredd says 'two way split' later in the movie, I thought "Oh no! it IS a double whammy".
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It wasn't funny.
I thought there were a lot of funny lines in it - black humour, obviously, but funny. [spoiler](Dredd throwing the #2 guy out the stairwell and turning his back and walking away was pretty funny)[/spoiler]
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Anderson wasn't Anderson. The name & the fact that she's Psi were the only similarities.
Again, disagree. I think this was a spot on anderson / dredd dynamic. Much closer to how they are together in their early days - and maybe this anderson is less confident - but that's a thing she becomes.
I loved it. Halfway through I actually started thinking "shit, this may actually be a fucking great movie even ignoring the fact it's about Dredd".
-pj
Quote from: exilewood on 07 September, 2012, 11:24:36 PMIt wasn't really Judge Dredd though.
It wasn't funny.
I see your point but disagree - I think it was more important to show the serious side of Dredd initially ... but I would like to see a little more mega-city craziness in a sequel.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 07 September, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 07 September, 2012, 05:39:25 PM
Kermodes review is online:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode
Don't understand what his problem with the 3D is, it looked spectacular and really added to the film, unless his own eyesight has a problem with it like some others.
To be honest I don't think the 3D added to it at all..it just ended up making my eyes go funny
It would have stood up just as well in 2D IMO
yeah, I'm gonna watch it again in 2D to find out if it works just as well without all that. BTW, where were you Beeksy? We may have been sitting in the same auditorium! ( 6.25, AMC Great Northern)
Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 September, 2012, 11:42:35 PM
yeah, I'm gonna watch it again in 2D to find out if it works just as well without all that. BTW, where were you Beeksy? We may have been sitting in the same auditorium! ( 6.25, AMC Great Northern)
I went to see it in cineworld Leigh as it's only 10 minutes drive from where I'm living now..was a good turn out..nearly full!
Just remembered about the Judged gang!
Like Darth Maul..should have had more screen time! :lol:
Oh and when the 2D comes out locally..give me a shout and we can hook up
cool, let's do it. Yeah, did like The Judged.
You lucky people - the old Definite Article Movie Blog Reignited for Dredd 3D (http://thedefinitearticlemovies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/no60-dredd-3d.html)
Quote from: exilewood on 07 September, 2012, 11:24:36 PM
It wasn't really Judge Dredd though.
It wasn't funny.
Anderson wasn't Anderson. The name & the fact that she's Psi were the only similarities.
The film Dredd and the comic strip Dredd, though linked, are two seperate things, surely?
And both interpretations can equally be valid? Thats the way i see it, anyway.
Quote from: Buttonman on 07 September, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
You lucky people - the old Definite Article Movie Blog Reignited for Dredd 3D (http://thedefinitearticlemovies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/no60-dredd-3d.html)
Good read buttonman..only quibble is I disagree with the corrupt judges..In a city like Mega City 1..corruption on all levels of society is realistic..even the indoctrinated judges..there are bound to be a few bad apples that fall off the tree..
Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 September, 2012, 11:14:39 PM
one of the newspaper reviews described it as "a narcotic whose only function seems to be to make gunfights look really cool". I guess the euphoria must be implied, otherwise it'd be a crappy drug, so fair enough.
My main issue though was that plot-wise it could've been any drug, slo-mo seemed to only be there as a thinly-veiled plot device to show off cutting-edge SFX techniques, and that's never a good idea for the longevity of a movie - Like those early 3d movies that always included contrived scenes of things coming out of the screen for no reason.
The concept of the slo mo drug has been described by Garland as one of those off the wall concepts you'd find in one of those classic Wagner/Grant 6 page one off stories. I quite like that.
Quote from: Beeks on 07 September, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
..only quibble is I disagree with the corrupt judges..In a city like Mega City 1..corruption on all levels of society is realistic..even the indoctrinated judges..there are bound to be a few bad apples that fall off the tree..
Especially when you consider the twin facets of the Judges power and the constant danger they are in... knowing human nature, if anything it's surprising they're not all corrupt.
Quote from: Beeks on 07 September, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: Buttonman on 07 September, 2012, 11:50:40 PM
You lucky people - the old Definite Article Movie Blog Reignited for Dredd 3D (http://thedefinitearticlemovies.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/no60-dredd-3d.html)
Good read buttonman..only quibble is I disagree with the corrupt judges..In a city like Mega City 1..corruption on all levels of society is realistic..even the indoctrinated judges..there are bound to be a few bad apples that fall off the tree..
Bent judges are such a tried and tested trope of the comics, they've just released a collection of all stories based around the concept.
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 12:05:04 AM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 September, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
..only quibble is I disagree with the corrupt judges..In a city like Mega City 1..corruption on all levels of society is realistic..even the indoctrinated judges..there are bound to be a few bad apples that fall off the tree..
Especially when you consider the twin facets of the Judges power and the constant danger they are in... knowing human nature, if anything it's surprising they're not all corrupt.
That was another thing that really hit home..the helplessness of it all
It's almost as if the Judges are fighting a losing battle..what did he say? They deal with just 6% of crime in the city?
Badass rouge Judges.
My quibble was that, like the first film, they have to sell the concept that the Judges are a single minded, determined force and right away that's undermined by bent officers. I agree logically there will be dodgy officers on the force but to have them from the off seems to be sending the audience a mixed and confusing message.
One thing that I didn't like is the fact none of the bad guys seemed to know who Dredd was..in the comic his very name strikes fear into perps..the most famous Judge in the Meg
Quote from: Buttonman on 08 September, 2012, 12:11:28 AM
My quibble was that, like the first film, they have to sell the concept that the Judges are a single minded, determined force and right away that's undermined by bent officers. I agree logically there will be dodgy officers on the force but to have them from the off seems to be sending the audience a mixed and confusing message.
That's a good point, though it reminds me of my intro to Dredd many years ago. The Day the Law Died. Right so there's Dredd, he's the main man, but then I see heaps of other Judges (8 year old confusion) and a lot of them are bad i.e. Cal's loyals? Certainly confused me, was happy to see Ro-Jaws n Hammerstein later.
Yeah, but when the bent judge gives the "THE Judge Dredd" speech, it made up for it.
Buttman, very good review, but
QuoteOf the three main characters, the villain, Ma-Ma is the weakest. I wasn't convinced that she had the drive or charisma to lead legions of cannon fodder gangsters and her powers were limited to looking a bit thoughtful.
plus biting cocks off and gouging out eyes with her thumbs :o
Quote from: Buttonman on 08 September, 2012, 12:11:28 AM
My quibble was that, like the first film, they have to sell the concept that the Judges are a single minded, determined force and right away that's undermined by bent officers. I agree logically there will be dodgy officers on the force but to have them from the off seems to be sending the audience a mixed and confusing message.
Fair point, but what it took from presenting 'clarity-of-concept' it gained in 'interesting-plot-twist, for me.
Good points well made.
I agree cock biting is a terrifying super power and withdraw my reservations.
As for the bent judges I'm fine with them too but it's the man in the street I worry about - he's as thick as horse shit and liable to say what's happening who's the goodies?
To that end I was glad the bent judges barely lasted a scene loads of guys chasing each other in identical uniforms is a recipie for diasater.
That said it was a great bit when Anderson just capped her bent judge without a second thought.
Nobody seems to have suggested that the timing of the movie release could cause problems?
The two scenes of bodies falling from a height and hitting the ground graphically ... a few days before the anniversary of 9/11? Perhaps the US release was deliberately timed not only to create a swell of good word-of-mouth, but also to avoid any awkward comparisons?
However, surely the comparison only needs to be made in the British gutter press (i.e. Daily Mail) and somebody will start screaming how the film is 'disrespectful' to those people whose lives were extinguished jumping from the Twin Towers. If that happens, I can't see that going down too well when it finally hits US shores.
Quote from: A.Cow on 08 September, 2012, 12:26:21 AM
However, surely the comparison only needs to be made in the British gutter press (i.e. Daily Mail) and somebody will start screaming how the film is 'disrespectful' to those people whose lives were extinguished jumping from the Twin Towers.
ssssshhhhh - they only get stupid ideas like that by lurking around the comments section of the internet (AKA Care in the Community).
In a year that's seen: school-shootings,cinema shootings and god-knows-what variety of armed futsie behaviour might well be in the news tomorrow,- the notion that this film might be in bad taste because people fall down a very long way at some point and that this somehow references a ten-year old terrorist attack is just ludicrous enough to actually gain acceptance in looney right-wing media, so I must concur with Dandontdare: let us never speak of this again...
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 12:42:02 AM
In a year that's seen: school-shootings,cinema shootings and god-knows-what variety of armed futsie behaviour might well be in the news tomorrow,- the notion that this film might be in bad taste because people fall down a very long way at some point and that this somehow references a ten-year old terrorist attack is just ludicrous enough to actually gain acceptance in looney right-wing media, so I must concur with Dandontdare: let us never speak of this again...
well said sir :thumbsup:
I let out an involuntarily giggle when one bloke's head blew up..
I was thinking about the scene when dredd cottons on that the judges who turn up to back him and anderson up turn out to be bent how did he cotton on again i didnt quite get it, and for anyone who no`s can you PM me as to not spoil it for the folks who aint seen the movie yet thanx :D
the distress call was for 2 judges under fire - Dredd thought it odd that the judge never even enquired about Anderson
and no need for spoilers in THIS THREAD ONLY! Anyone who comes here and gets, spoilered, fuckem
It was also something to do with the bent Judge's Smile.
Dredd smelled bullshit.
Fuck 'em in the EAR!! :lol:
Quote from: Buttonman on 08 September, 2012, 12:22:32 AM
...That said it was a great bit when Anderson just capped her bent judge without a second thought.
I didn't like that Anderson took out the female Judge... it created a tiny echo in my mind of the contrived 'cat-fight' twixt Hershey and sexy asian scientist woman back in the 95 nonsense and I really didn't appreciate any reminder of the old whilst watching the new.
Here's a question: do you reckon that Dredd, in spite of a female protagonist( coz let's face it: it's Anderson's story) and a female antagonist, still remains a flick that's essentially a flick for the chaps? All Anna Karenina daily mash-up jokes aside? Does it pass/fail the Bechdel test ?
Just saw the movie tonight. For me, it was a four-stars-out-of-five experience.
This certainly does FEEL like Dredd, which is possibly the best compliment I can give the movie. The dialogue between Dredd and Anderson has that understated but incisive feel that I expect from a really great Wagner-written Dredd story. Loved how there were no attempts made to sugar-coat the brutality and cheapness of life in Mega City 1. We were promised an apt level of violence as befits the subject material. The movie delivered.
I could heap a TONNE of praise on this movie, and I suspect I will over the coming months, in various different places. But for now, here's what DIDN'T work for me:
MC 1 itself. While I don't think a bad job was done portraying Dredd's stomping ground, I REALLY would have loved to have seen something more akin to the splendour of the city as it's depicted in more modern Dredd stories. Some curves in among the jutting mega-blocks would have assuaged that concern. Also, more flying traffic was really needed, and I really DO have a problem with the vehicles that were shown.
Also, REALLY not too keen on the many instances of 'f*ck' and other actual profanities in the script. I don't expect anyone to agree with me on this, but the comparative LACK of strong language in the comic in spite of its brutality is actually part of the appeal for me. I also wasn't a fan of Dredd uttering 'shit' before things really got hairy - although I can't really put my finger on why that is. I do think Dredd is known as much for its inventive future-swears as much as anything else - although I can see that there might be a case for these sounding silly and out of place in this movie.
I also think there could have been a smidge more story complexity and maybe an effort to tie things together a little more cleverly.
HOWEVER - these all really amount to nitpicks over a movie that was great fun, and somehow felt longer and grander than its running time. Mega City 1 has ALWAYS been a fun place for me to get lost in where the books are concerned, and that feeling is pleasantly replicated in the movie, even despite the relatively constrained setting of Peach Trees block. It's FULL of neat character moments, feels faithful to the comics, and is written very smartly in places. For example, [spoiler]Dredd's dialogue when he passes Anderson[/spoiler] could have easily been over-written into schmaltz and cheese. But it was underplayed, and all the more powerful for it. I also really liked the number of plot points that seemd almost designed to have us fanboys giggling in our seats and going 'Uh-oh! I think I know what's coming ne-ee-eext!'
So, overall: SMART STUFF! My thanks and gratitude go to everybody who made this movie happen. It makes up for the '95 tragedy in truly authoritative style. I REALLY want a sequel!
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 12:42:02 AM
In a year that's seen: school-shootings,cinema shootings and god-knows-what variety of armed futsie behaviour might well be in the news tomorrow,- the notion that this film might be in bad taste because people fall down a very long way at some point and that this somehow references a ten-year old terrorist attack is just ludicrous enough to actually gain acceptance in looney right-wing media, so I must concur with Dandontdare: let us never speak of this again...
Hear, hear. The thought of any link had never honestly crossed my mind.
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 01:06:34 AM
Fuck 'em in the EAR!! :lol:
Quote from: Buttonman on 08 September, 2012, 12:22:32 AM
...That said it was a great bit when Anderson just capped her bent judge without a second thought.
I didn't like that Anderson took out the female Judge... it created a tiny echo in my mind of the contrived 'cat-fight' twixt Hershey and sexy asian scientist woman back in the 95 nonsense and I really didn't appreciate any reminder of the old whilst watching the new.
Here's a question: do you reckon that Dredd, in spite of a female protagonist( coz let's face it: it's Anderson's story) and a female antagonist, still remains a flick that's essentially a flick for the chaps? All Anna Karenina daily mash-up jokes aside? Does it pass/fail the Bechdel test ?
Hmm.. I'm not sure the two girls speak to each other at any point in the film - about a man or anything else.
But, two girls in strong starring roles? Yeah I think girls and guys will like this film equally as much.
Quote from: HdE on 08 September, 2012, 01:07:11 AM
I also think there could have been a smidge more story complexity and maybe an effort to tie things together a little more cleverly.
I can see your other points, but this is the one I agree with. I may have liked more drokks than fucks, but the level of profanity seemed right for the movie. Were there any stomms, gruds or any other stuff at all? I didn't notice any.
I have to say - the profanity thing doesn't feel like the sort of problem I'm going to be complaining about by the time I get my mitts on the DVD.
It's easy to rationalise the things I had difficulty with in a 'well, this is what Dredd's like on screen' sort of way. A bit like 'Marvel movie Nick Fury is Samuel L. Jackson. Deal with it!'
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 08 September, 2012, 01:14:07 AM
Hmm.. I'm not sure the two girls speak to each other at any point in the film - about a man or anything else.
But, two girls in strong starring roles? Yeah I think girls and guys will like this film equally as much.
I know the cheif judge tells her to shut up: but she is talking about Dredd at that point, and Dredd is,I guess 'a man' - I cant remember any other instance: she talks to the perp's wife (who she shot) and she is named 'cathy'.. I think... anyway the crux of my question was: a gent's film for chaps, or a film with universal appeal?... and I think you've answered it. BUT, for me, Ma-Ma was a victim too and so it did seem a trifle vindictive of Dredd to, not only kill her, but prolong the agony of her death... I mean she was clearly scarred in every sense.
Oh- one further point I forgot to mention:
The soundtrack! Oh, my... it was great!
Quote from: pauljholden on 07 September, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
(the only off note for me was the 'hotshot' which felt like a throwback to 'double whammy' - so much so, that when dredd says 'two way split' later in the movie, I thought "Oh no! it IS a double whammy".
Hotshot was what a heatseeker was originally called in the first 30 or so progs.
Saw Dredd earlier; perfect Judge Dredd film, In my opinion. I want more!
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 01:29:51 AM
BUT, for me, Ma-Ma was a victim too and so it did seem a trifle vindictive of Dredd to, not only kill her, but prolong the agony of her death... I mean she was clearly scarred in every sense.
For Dredd she was a Lawbreaker who skinned people and was the biggest narcotics manufacturer in the city.
Not to mention that it was a neat bit of justice for Ma-Ma's sadistic actions at the start of the movie.
I mean, YEAH, it may be 'movie justice'... but I had no problem with it.
Interesting interview in the Telegraph Culture section with Lean Headly, worth a read.
Didn't enjoy it as much as I had hoped. The bikes and the bent judges were bad moves - the first because joe public will think the lawmasters look naff (they do look very 80s) and the latter because joe public needs to get that Judges are 'men (and women) apart', yet of the nine in the movie 4 are bent. Also Dredd isn't mythologised enough at any juncture and so the 1 million dollar line doesn't really make any sense unless you know Dredd is legend. The 'waiting' bit likewise seemed odd, 'for her' would have been a nice rejoinder and also shown Anderson had let Joe know she was coming.
My main problem with it was that the slo-mo detracted from everything - i watched in 2D as I am one of those 10% who can't process 3D and so went 2D - right from the first slo-mo it was just 'ho hum, this is for the 3D crowd and is a bit dull'. The ending was thus rendered a bit plodding by the time you-know-who was passing through the steam / cloud. Not a 3D hater at all but the effect on 2D watchers is certainly more pronounced than other films I've seen. By the time it comes out on DVD the rest of you might experience this. Am sure the 3D looked great, for 2D it looked great 3D.
Could have done with less 'fucks' and more 'drokks' but all in all it was good. Best when the action was ramped up (fave bit the stairwell shootings, you just know the ride has kicked off). Congrats to all involved and will be going back a couple of times for sure. It is still Dredd on the big screen and a pretty brilliant stab at it. The other half LOVED it.
KU and OT were great, the gunplay was great, Ma-Ma was fabulous, the sheer brutality of it was impressive, some of the lines were great, the outfits were fantastic - brilliant design work. And yeah the music was really good and nicely mixed to create tone, especially the 'bad judges' intro.
Sadly the cinema (6.30 show, sunny day, 2D) had about 30 people in it. Will go on the cheap ticket night to the 3D see if its a bit more lively.
Thank you very much to anyone connected with the movie. My 'gripes' are in the context of a forum for people very passionate about 2000AD, I'll be bussing people in to see this movie and make sure it does box-office here.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 02:02:32 AM
For Dredd she was a Lawbreaker who skinned people and was the biggest narcotics manufacturer in the city.
Yes, but in this film incarnation everything felt more real, and the city really was a 'meat-grinder' and, from her mug-shot, ma-ma's days as a prostitute were innocent times in comparison to where we,the audience, not Dredd (because god-knows-what's-going-through-his-vizored-head) encountered her.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 08 September, 2012, 02:18:52 AM
Interesting interview in the Telegraph Culture section with Lean Headly, worth a read.
Does she say fuck a lot? cos she does in every other interview I've read. I think I like Lena Headey!
oh fuck yeah: love the bitch.
I disagree on the bent Judges being a bad move; I think it's the most crucial scene in the film as it shows how experienced Judges converse with each other and the 'mora'l contrast reinforces the point of what Judges are supposed to be and that Dredd represents the epitome of that - very important for the first film - and it also shows that they're corruptible. Introducing the bent Judges gave Dredd the pretext for mouthing the betray the Law, betray the city lines which are crucial to getting how much of a believer he is in the whole set-up.
I'm not into the mythologising Dredd in the eyes of the citizens, at least not yet as he's still a young Dredd, but he is certainly mythologised in the eyes of other Judges as Lex dialogue shows.
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 02:20:54 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 02:02:32 AM
For Dredd she was a Lawbreaker who skinned people and was the biggest narcotics manufacturer in the city.
Yes, but in this film incarnation everything felt more real, and the city really was a 'meat-grinder' and, from her mug-shot, ma-ma's days as a prostitute were innocent times in comparison to where we,the audience, not Dredd (because god-knows-what's-going-through-his-vizored-head) encountered her.
All of which makes Dredd's black & white devotion to the the Law stand-out that much more which is kinda the point of his character. It's Anderson's Judgement that lies more in the grey-area that Dredd doesn't inhabit. He begins to realise this for the first time as the final moments close and he gives her
the pass.
Quote from: James Stacey on 05 September, 2012, 04:08:09 PM
I had Olivia Thirlby and Lena Headey fighting in my front garden _again_ last night. I wish they'd be quieter about it
Well I was fighting over their front (lady) gardens.
we can agree to disagree, not too sure its a young Dredd tho. He looks the same age as the guy '20 years on the streets' regardless of what comic readers know of the history of MC1. Urban does a great Dredd but it in no way looks a yound Dredd.
20 years on the street is young Dredd.
For me the most important dramatic points in Dredd are Lex's 'meatgrinder' speech coupled with Anderson's exercising of her own Judgement in letting Gleeson's character/victim go - they both plant the seeds of change in Dredd's character and actually prove he has an arc in the film.
1 of my favourite scenes in the movie is when a perp tells dredd to freeze and dredd just looks at him and says why haha the only thing missing for me anyway in the movie is mega city 1 speak ie drokk or grud i know you see drokk on the back of a perps jacket in the van which was cool but the only reason i can think they went with regular swear words so to speak was so movie goers new to dredd would understand the dialogue better rather than have them sitting there thinking what the fuck does drockk mean haha :D
I reckon the reason that there are no drokk's and grud's to be found is because tonally it would've felt out of place, and also the greater non 2000AD movie going crowd would've not had a clue what people were saying. I think it's one of those compromises that gets made to enable the transition to the big screen.
I'll wait until someone overdubs the swearing with Big Meg swearing once the Blu-ray hits a la Phantom Edit
Logging on for the first time in years just to give my opinion on the film: Simply Magnificent.
Some MC1 speak actually works in day to day life. Like Grud in place of God, something I reckon an audience would get without prior knowledge of the comics. Similar approach to language was taken in A Clockwork Orange. If they can do it in Lord Of The Rings they can have elements of the comic language in Dredd. A lot of the lingo is already there, like the perps
Juves and Resyk.
They should go all out for the sequel.
The fake swearing would have worked IF they were making a heavily stylised 300/Sin City version of Dredd. For what they were going for it totally made sense to go with real language/slang. This is an adaptation, it isn't a page-to-screen facsimile.
How many cities/states are left?
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5 stars left on the old US flag.
Quote from: radiator on 08 September, 2012, 03:28:43 AM
The fake swearing would have worked IF they were making a heavily stylised 300/Sin City version of Dredd. For what they were going for it totally made sense to go with real language/slang. This is an adaptation, it isn't a page-to-screen facsimile.
No, it would never work as a carbon copy, but there is still room to introduce elements of the language. My point is audiences do get more than they are often given credit for. Part of the reason that first movie (95) failed was because they assumed their audience were stupid.
The say juve, iso-cube, perp...that's enough for me.
Gruddamnit!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 02:02:32 AM
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 01:29:51 AM
BUT, for me, Ma-Ma was a victim too and so it did seem a trifle vindictive of Dredd to, not only kill her, but prolong the agony of her death... I mean she was clearly scarred in every sense.
For Dredd she was a Lawbreaker who skinned people and was the biggest narcotics manufacturer in the city.
...and she'd also just gunned down dozens of innocent men & women indiscriminately.
Sorry, Darnmarr -- she was as much a 'victim' as killers like Myra Hindley or John Wayne Gacy (who both tortured, raped & murdered children). There may be a cause-and-effect link between the abuse they suffered in their youth and their later crimes, but this does not absolve them of responsibility for their premeditated acts.
As a character, Judge Dredd normally reflects the emotionless implementation (& execution) of law; a law which is based on a common notion of justice, demanding fair retribution for the kind of crimes Ma-Ma commits.
Does Dredd go too far by prolonging her agony? It could be argued that, purely rationally & logically, it was a necessary step to ensure that she could not trigger the explosion sooner, manually, as she fell.
Of course, movie justice always includes a bit of vengeance -- we like our retribution to be proportionate, satisfying us both ideologically & emotionally -- and this hint of humanity is what keeps Dredd interesting. (Otherwise we'd just be reading stories about a toaster mechanically handing out sentences using a mathematical formula.)
Somewhat baffled by the contention by some critics that the film lacks the strip's satirical bite: the comic is rarely overtly critical of Dredd himself (except when Alan Grant is writing) preferring to allow Dredd's actions to stand for what they are and allow the reader to be appalled/amused/enthused as they see fit.
It seems to me that having a scene where Dredd soundly beats a suspect for information and then retires to the corner of the room, seething with silent menace with the stars 'n' stripes behind him, while his psychic subordinate rips the information from the suspect's mind is not short of satirical intent.
Cheers
Jim
Thought the bent judges were a great move personally, it was at that point that it most felt like Dredd the man was something special, an embodiment of the law fighting a losing battle where even his allies were corruptible. In fact that was probably one of the real strengths of the film in general for me, you really felt like Dredd's situation was desperate, and Urban did such a great nuanced job that watching it I got the impression hat somewhere buried deep down in there Dredd is terrified at times. That's something I don't think I've even felt as effectively in the comics before.
Also didn't mind that the citizen's didn't know who he was, it kind of makes sense in a city that size and at a relatively early stage of his career. The fact that the other judges had some reverence (or hatred) for him was enough. The "I am the law" speech still rings true, if not truer, as it's more about his own self-belief than anything else, you get the impression he doesn't say it because he thinks he in particular is special, rather that he believes every judge is an embodiment of the law and should see themselves as such. That's another reason why crooked judges are such good villains for him.
Also, it meant we got to see judges being killed, which wouldn't have happened otherwise. Not sure why, but there was something powerful and disturbing about the image of that first judge dropping dead, was one of the shots that stuck with me.
Implicit satire is too much for some people Jim, they want it smashed like a pie in the face. I think the scene with the medic barring them from the med-centre is another example and there's quite a few more but some people want to be tickled more and not to have to think too much.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
Implicit satire is too much for some people Jim, they want it smashed like a pie in the face. I think the scene with the medic barring them from the med-centre is another example and there's quite a few more but some people want to be tickled more and not to have to think too much.
Totally, the "No creds no meds" sign was a great touch too.
Saw it last night and really enjoyed. It's set apart from the comics in many ways (look and feel of the city, swearing etc.) but thes things allow it to be its own thing b
That said it is more recognisably Dredd than the other one.
Our showing wasn't full and I'm not sure how many people were fans. Hopefully word of mouth will allow it to be a slow burner.
One question left hanging is what Anderson picks up about Dredd at the start before she's cut off by the CJ(?)
A lot of what you've said above is really what made me scratch my head when I remembered critics saying the film lacked depth, or story, or characters. In just over 90 minutes, they packed in all that and so much more - even when I said I missed the forum shout-outs and other comic details (like Judge Child), that was wholly because there was already so much going on and I was engrossed - in the characters and story and sheer depth of the world-making.
And personally, I thought satire and humour was dripping from it in spades. And intelligence too; brainless action flick it ain't, and any critic who thought it was needs to get their own IQ checked.
Love it so much I could cry. And yes, John and Carlos getting that big first credit was a wonderful homage that seriously made my throat clench up.
Quote from: Dan Kelly on 08 September, 2012, 10:30:22 AM
Saw it last night and really enjoyed. It's set apart from the comics in many ways (look and feel of the city, swearing etc.) but thes things allow it to be its own thing b
That said it is more recognisably Dredd than the other one.
Our showing wasn't full and I'm not sure how many people were fans. Hopefully word of mouth will allow it to be a slow burner.
One question left hanging is what Anderson picks up about Dredd at the start before she's cut off by the CJ(?)
His boots are too tight.
or laying the ground for him being a clone of fargo - if the treatment was to go an origins route in sequels.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 September, 2012, 10:14:32 AM
you get the impression he doesn't say it because he thinks he in particular is special, rather that he believes every judge is an embodiment of the law and should see themselves as such.
Precisely this. The first time Stallone said "I am the law", I knew the '95 film had got the character wrong -- Stallone's delivery is full of swagger and ego; it's about the 'I' when it should be about the 'law'. By the time you reach the point where he declares "I didn't break the law, I AM the law!" you're just in a world of wrong.
The law is a conceptual ideal, of which Dredd is a representative, a
servant, and that's what you feel in Urban's delivery that is entirely lacking in Stallone's.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 10:47:11 AM
One question left hanging is what Anderson picks up about Dredd at the start before she's cut off by the CJ(?)
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 10:47:11 AM
or laying the ground for him being a clone of fargo - if the treatment was to go an origins route in sequels.
Possibly, or just that
ineffable Dredd thing. I think Lex's words to Dredd about being
The Judge Dredd were certainly hinting at Dredd's blood-ties.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 08 September, 2012, 10:36:30 AM
Love it so much I could cry. And yes, John and Carlos getting that big first credit was a wonderful homage that seriously made my throat clench up.
I know what you mean!
When Dredd was shot near the end of the film, I could feel my eyes welling up-such was my attachment with the character!
The interplay between Dredd and Anderson was excellent and Urban and Thirlby should be commended for their brilliant performances.
I just loved all the subtext beteween them-an intense glare here, a quizzical glance there. No mean feat, when you're wearing a helmet and only ones chin is visible.
There relationship was the heart of the movie and really elevated it from mindless action fodder.
And the film was brimming with pithy one liners and indignant grunts just like the comic. That was Judge Dredd on the screen!
And quite brilliant it was too! :D
So Kermode said Dredd is not a better film because it's not the Raid and because it's in 3D. Odd. Yet he gave Prometheus a free pass even though its 3D is a lot worse and is a lesser film.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
So Kermode said Dredd is not a better film because it's not the Raid and because it's in 3D. Odd. Yet he gave Prometheus a free pass even though its 3D is a lot worse and is a lesser film.
Dredd pisses all over The Raid, which had zero character development and didn't have Judge Dredd in it!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 September, 2012, 11:13:18 AM
Dredd pisses all over The Raid, which had zero character development and didn't have Judge Dredd in it!
They aren't in competition.
I cannot believe Kermode said The Raid had a 'better depth of character' than Dredd. I'm sorry, but that is such a load of bullshit. I can't remember anything about the lead in The Raid, other than he had a pregnant wife and he was a bit tasty with a machete. I'm not slating The Raid - but they clearly weren't even trying for character development or world-building. It's far more videogame-like and one-dimensional than Dredd.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 September, 2012, 10:59:12 AM
When Dredd was shot near the end of the film, I could feel my eyes welling up-such was my attachment with the character!
The interplay between Dredd and Anderson was excellent and Urban and Thirlby should be commended for their brilliant performances.
Their interplay was glorious! Loved it. And the development, progression, of this relationship, despite the shortness in time, was so well done. I believed it completely. At the end, when they were moving as a team and clearing the space - you could see how Anderson had come into her own. SO well acted. You could see Dredd trusting her to have his back - again, so well acted.
Loved it, loved it, LOVED IT. :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 September, 2012, 11:13:18 AM
Dredd pisses all over The Raid, which had zero character development and didn't have Judge Dredd in it!
They aren't in competition.
Sounds like some critics think they are.
Quote from: radiator on 08 September, 2012, 11:17:45 AM
I cannot believe Kermode said The Raid had a 'better depth of character' than Dredd...
Yes that was laughable: also he begins to criticise 'retro-fitted' 3D before realising that he doesn't know whether it was or not, and so goes off on a 'I hate 3D' thing. Basically his review was: doesn't like 3d, reminded him of 'brass eye', reminded him of 'the raid'. So it wasn't so much a review as a personal reaction.
It's obvious that kermode had done no research before the review, in fact he was doing it on air. After all his talk of the Raid and criticizing Dredd for having the cheek of not being the Raid, he gave it 3.5 stars anyway. Which makes no sense.
Yeah, that 'too similar to the Raid, but not being as balletic as the Raid' was dopey.
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 11:54:36 AM
Yeah, that 'too similar to the Raid, but not being as balletic as the Raid' was dopey.
There was Ballet in The Raid?
The problem with Kermode of late is the he's becoming increasingly impressed with the sound of his own voice, while throwing in "witty" pop culture reference without reviewing the fucking movie!
It was a candid, off-the-cuff, personal reaction but you couldn't call it a review: more a vox-pop or something.
Did anyone else notice how Ma-Ma's 'watch' was still flashing at the same frequency in slo-mo as it was in normal speed?
Quote from: James on 08 September, 2012, 12:09:18 PM
Did anyone else notice how Ma-Ma's 'watch' was still flashing at the same frequency in slo-mo as it was in normal speed?
That depends on whose point-of-view you think it was, I'm presuming it's our POV of the timer so that's why it was the same.
Quote from: Beeks on 08 September, 2012, 12:15:53 AM
One thing that I didn't like is the fact none of the bad guys seemed to know who Dredd was..in the comic his very name strikes fear into perps..the most famous Judge in the Meg
I get the impression that Peach Trees is a world of it's own and most of the clan guys don't get out much and probably have no idea what's going on in the outside world.
I have to disagree that none of the bad guys knew who Dredd was though - both Domnhall Gleeson's 'Clan Techie' and Ma-Ma herself clearly did. They have no reason to know who he's anything other than a random judge until he speaks on the P.A. - but the despairing look the Techie gives Ma-Ma when Urban says "This is Judge Dredd" is not just "Should I let him talk?" ... it's already been established that he has to in order to trace Dredd's location. It's a "Shit! that's Dredd! We're going to fucking die!" look. Later, when Lex (I think it is Lex) asks Ma-Ma if she knows who the other Judge is and she says "No", she is clearly lying. For the first (only) time in the conversation she fails to look him in the eye and looks down instead.
Anyway, as for my review: after a year of highly anticipated but somewhat disappointing releases, Dredd makes up for it in spades. It's nigh perfect. A 9/10. I'm not even going to mention the few minor niggles that make it fall short of a perfect 10 until I've seen it a few more times. It would just seem petty of me to do so!
Any Raid comparisons were completely forgotten by me when watching the movie. On paper (and in the trailer) the concept does look like you're getting Judge Dredd: The Raid, but in practice they're such completely different films that I don't think you could compare them. I adore The Raid, it's one of my favourite action movies and I was exhilarated when I saw it, but this is just a completely different beast. Any film critic who can't separate the two shouldn't be a film critic.
I think if you're comparing them all you could really say is that The Raid is a better martial arts movie than Dredd, which sounds so preposterous you would never say it. Dredd had so much more going on that I personally think it's the better film without question.
The one scene that admittedly is very, very similar is the lockdown moment with Ma Ma on the PA. The execution of it in Dredd I found was even more effective though. It's amazingly tense, the way the camera keeps looming over them to give the impression of just how deep the stomm is that they're in. Fantastic.
But there I go comparing it to The Raid, when my whole point is they shouldn't be compared.
Dredd has more in common with the Wire than the Raid.
There are 'eerily' similar scenes with the Raid that are noteworthy though: both films start with the execution of dishonourable gang-members; they both feature scenes of hiding out in an apartment of a mother with child and of course the intercom scenes. The Raid does rely more on its martial arts than anything else though whereas Dredd has more story/character meat.
My thoughts exactly on the similarities . Even the name of the main bad guy in The Raid is similar. But Alex Garland insists Gareth Evans film only has these similarities by coincidence. So I guess great minds think alike.
BTW I love The Raid.
Waw it yesterday but was hampered by the 3D glasses, whish make me nauseous, and tried to watch most of it without.
I feared the storyline too linear from the synopsis, and still thought so afterwards: It's obvious that Dredd is going to get from point A to point B, and then the interplay between him and the villain is going to be brief. Things got more interesting with the appearance of collupt judges, which I didn't expect, and thought it a shame the film wasn't more about that dynamic (if it didn't echo the first movie too much), since they were far more challenging and elusive foes, it spoke more about the system which motivated dredd, and it would have been interesting to hear how deep it went (I'm not sure how they would have got away with becoming suddenly very wealthy). As others have noted, the nature of the drug wasn't too relevant to the plot, nor was Anderson's powers.
That said, it looked good, the leads were great, and I liked the way Dredd starts of seeming fairly normal and becomes more Dredd-like as he is gradually worn down (I wouldn't have liked to see him Batman-like for the whole film). I still have my reservations about the story (though for its budget it would have to be something similar). I really hope it gets a sequel, even with the same budget, so we can have a few more twists and sci-fi for the next.
Hi Everyone,
I've not posted here for a very long time - don't have the time I'm afraid - but I went to see the film last night and it was excellent.
I would waffle on but my highlights were :
1. Dredd was gritty and battered - in fact his uniform was battered and grimy at he start. Urban was excellent in his acting. As he said an actor's best tools for conveying emotion are the eyes and he didn't have this. Best scene for the acting with just the lower face was when he'd been shot and the Judge was standing overhim - the grit in the jaw was pure Dredd
2. The Slo-Mo scenes of violence were very graphic but captured what we experience in the comics - after all each frame in comic is a frozen image.
3. Attention to detail - whomever was in charge of the backgrounds had done an excellent job and clearly understood the world of Dredd - I thought the Hottie Stand ad was great and did you all spot the "Chopper" and "Kenny Who?" graffiti? Was there more?
4. Simple story - I don't meant this badly, this film could have been a Mega-Epic like "Apocalypse War" or "Judgement Day" but the Dredd character would have been lost. I think the simple story of a drugs bust with a rookie in tow going horribly wrong allows the true Dredd and his resourcefulness to come through. (As well as Anderson)
5. Being Faithful - whilst certain aspects of timeline were changed I think everything in the film stayed as close to caconical history as possible. Perhaps this could be viewed as a early point in time in Dredd's history where the PSI division was only just getting going.
I did find myself cringing when the bad guy picked up Anderson's gun as I KNEW what was going to happen when he pulled the trigger - and it did. I could tell that came as a surprise to some of the audience!
All in all this film lived up to expectations and can finally bury the corpse of the celluloid disaster from the 20th Century. Can't wait to see what happens next!!
PS this film cleary used 3D well
Barny
I've kept my mouth shut this time round mostly cause I feel that trying to please the fans and squeeze everything cool in is partially what spoilt the first film. But now I've actually seen the second one there's just one thing i want to say.
Thankyou for making an awesome film that made me feel like I was reading the comic!]
It was low key and dark and the only point where my focus on the story was distracted and I thought hang on a second was when one of the 3D elements drifted in to the black line a the bottom. So thankyou again for finally making a proper Dredd film. Have to say I left the cinema thinking, "Well take it for what it is, a decent Dredd film." But now, the morning after I'm thinking, wait a sec, did they deliberately leave it so 20th century not only cause of budget constraints but because the Apoc war hasn't happened yet and MC1 hasn't been properly rebuilt. Did they deliberately push that Anderson is a mutant and clamp down on that Dredd is 'something else' so that they can tell a more complex story later on? It's definitely a film that has left me wanting more, and what else could I ask for. So, once again, thankyou to everyone involved in the making of this film, feel free to keep doing it. :)
Having seen it a second time my favourite bit now is the scene in the lift after Anderson has just executed the perp with the wife. Anderson is looking down, obviously trying to come to terms with what she has just seen and done, then she looks to the side to see Dredd watching her. The camera lingers on Dredd for a few seconds, he doesn't move or say anything at all, but you can tell he is analyzing Anderson and keeping a close eye on her. A fantastic 6 0dd-seconds of footage.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
Implicit satire is too much for some people Jim, they want it smashed like a pie in the face...
Regardless of how some would have me feel silly for 'not getting it' I actually agree (as I said here earlier) that the film isn't strong on the satire front, certainly in comparison to the strip. Yes there are examples but I think Jim gets to the bottom of the issue, all be it making a different point.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 September, 2012, 08:41:26 AM
Somewhat baffled by the contention by some critics that the film lacks the strip's satirical bite: the comic is rarely overtly critical of Dredd himself (except when Alan Grant is writing) preferring to allow Dredd's actions to stand for what they are and allow the reader to be appalled/amused/enthused as they see fit....
I agree with this entirely as most of the strips satire, overt or otherwise is derived from the city and its inhabitants. Dredd is the straight man upon which this is built in many way (whoops not happy with that but don't have time to think of a better way to express it). As the strips 'scale' means it was unable to show as much of the city as it would like means that a lot of the satire is lost with it. Some remains and there are other examples of humour as well. As I said this 'scale' is used to make a different advantage, but as an example of Dredd as satire it falls short of the strip... well once you move past the basic premise of the setting etc, but that a different matter and inbuilt. It does have some and Jim goes on to illustrate a good example.
If much of the satire that is in the film requires the viewer to read every sign or subtle hint then it might be there, but its not really serving its purpose, at least not on my initial viewing.
It been suggested here abouts that Alex Garland has said as much himself (the film being short on satire), though I'll be careful saying as I'm getting it second hand.
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 08 September, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
Things got more interesting with the appearance of collupt judges, which I didn't expect, and thought it a shame the film wasn't more about that dynamic (if it didn't echo the first movie too much), since they were far more challenging and elusive foes, it spoke more about the system which motivated dredd, and it would have been interesting to hear how deep it went
I think the
right amount of time and story was devoted to the corruption angle, anymore than what's there - like having the Judges controlling the drug supply instead of just acting hired heavies - and it would portray the Judge system as being
too corrupt for the first film and Dredd would be acting as
Serpico rather than being a good Judge among many; it would also overshadow the point of this being a Dredd & Anderson the rookie film.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 08 September, 2012, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 September, 2012, 10:17:28 AM
Implicit satire is too much for some people Jim, they want it smashed like a pie in the face...
Regardless of how some would have me feel silly for 'not getting it' I actually agree (as I said here earlier) that the film isn't strong on the satire front, certainly in comparison to the strip. Yes there are examples but I think Jim gets to the bottom of the issue, all be it making a different point.
I think that was aimed more at critics saying satire was non-existent.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 September, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
Totally, the "No creds no meds" sign was a great touch too.
Another snippet I missed.Glad someone pointed out what that homesless sign read, missed that first time round, very funny.There is more than enough satire and humour present for me.
Off for a third viewing today-still got some easter eggs to tick off.So glad I haven't seen the Raid, so I can't make any comparisons.
Who ever made any Dredd film was always going to have to be very careful of putting any real strip style satire, A lot of Dredd's humor is political in nature, it takes pops at 'fatties' and 'juves', takes ethnic stereo types and just runs at brick walls with them. It portrays the police as tyrants and fascists and outrightly paints the military and politicians as insane. The first film just avoided this entirely and replaced it with a comedy sidekick. This one keeps it low key but it is there and it deffinately doesn't do it just for the laughs. Anyone notice that the only real 'fattie' in the film is one of the first to be shown lying on the floor bleeding out while no one tries to really help, did it need a quick one liner to under score just how brutal that was. Same goes for when the blast door descends on the homeless guy after Dredd told him to move or when the gang opens up with the rotary auto cannons. They didn't need witty sarcastic comments, the surreal horror and shocking irony of the situations was written all over everyone's faces, and in the case of the homless guy, most of the way up the wall.
I don't know if the satire is that much of a hurdle because the real world has caught up. Or alternatively it makes it a bit redundant.
We've got live autopsies and plastinated humans from Von Haagens mirroring Jacob Sardini, body modifications a plenty to counter Otto Sump, Eating contests, people at home being paid to peep for the State etc.
I'd love to see Resyk as a setpiece if we got a sequel though.
Ok here's my take on the movie. Arrived with my nephew for the early evening showing in my Judge Death Lives T Shirt, not many people in the cinema proberbly about 20 at the most.
VISUALS
I thought DNA nailed the visuals, very pleased with Mega City One they have created reminiscent of early Dredd as is most of the movie. Loved the fact that they did not CGI the city as this always takes away the realism for me. The very near future look works for me. I think the inclusion of familiar vehicles, clothes etc gives an added sense of relation to the world of Dredd. We have to remember that we are all looking at Dredd from the current state of play in MC1 (post Day of Chaos) and this film is clearly set much earlier.
DIALOGUE
Some posts on here suggest an omission of Dredds dark humour which is a staple of the comics, I thought Dredd has some great lines in the movie which touched on this, "Admeriable" delivered with that great Dredd cynicism made me smile, as did the "Freeze" "Why?" bit with the juves!
The dialogue for me is pure Dredd, wether its delivered by the big man himself or the supporting cast. Alex Garland clearly knows the world of Dredd
CHARACTERIZATIONS
DREDD. Karl absolutely nailed it for me. The voice, the stance, the looks. There is no other way to play Dredd in my view other than the faceless emotionless way Karl has. The grimaces in the Ma Ma showdown was Dredd through and through. Karl doesnt over play or ham it up, he plays him as John Wagner wrote him, a focused unemotional, dedicated lawman who's primary objective is the rule of law whatever the cost.
ANDERSON
Olivia was fantastic as Anderson, she gave the movie it's 'humanistic' touch, although some of her characteristics and dialogue reminded me more of Beeney than Anderson. From being the unsure rookie at the start of the movie to a badass Judge at the end Olivia delivers a great sidekick performance.
MA MA
Wow what a fantastic classic MC1 villan. Totally unrelenting and unapologetic. Lena does not have much dialogue but her screen presence is awesome, she totally nailed it for me. And what a fantastic classic MC1 death at the hands of the big man. Some people have questioned this but I remember Dredd 'executing' the likes of Pa Angel, Owen Krysler, Sabbat, Grice, Narcos, Robert L Booth in equally if not more spectacular fashion.
OVERALL
I have wondered what would I had made of this film if I didn't know the world of Dredd? I would proberbly see it as as a rip roaring, violent, dark shoot em up, which it is. But I know Dredd I know the world and I totally got the references which gives me a more biased but deeper view of it. Yes it's violent but hey it's Mega City 1 it's no picnic living there, yes it's main character is emotionless and driven by one factor but that's Dredd that's what he is. A brilliant take on the world of the, for me, the greatest comic book character ever created. Roll on part 2.
Quote from: NikolaiDante on 08 September, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
I did find myself cringing when the bad guy picked up Anderson's gun as I KNEW what was going to happen when he pulled the trigger - and it did. I could tell that came as a surprise to some of the audience!
I thought this part was excellently done.
Too many films have to explain things in detail and then you wait till later in the film for that thing to happen.
Dredd didn't treat the audience as stupid and let the film tell you these things.
Good review. Saves me a lot of typing as it pretty much sums up my take on the film. Really hope more films are made as I am wanting more now.
Those of you who've seen it - when did you go and how many other people were in the room?
I went at 1830 on a Friday evening and there were about 30 other people out of a possible 350 seats.
Keith Lemon was booked out. This makes me nervous and concerned.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 08 September, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
Keith Lemon was booked out. This makes me nervous and concerned.
I feel sad for the human race. What's wrong with people? Only about 25 for my viewing although it was an early show.
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Once the first wave of viewers starts to spread the word that audience will begin to grow, with any justice.
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 08 September, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: NikolaiDante on 08 September, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
I did find myself cringing when the bad guy picked up Anderson's gun as I KNEW what was going to happen when he pulled the trigger - and it did. I could tell that came as a surprise to some of the audience!
I thought this part was excellently done.
Too many films have to explain things in detail and then you wait till later in the film for that thing to happen.
Dredd didn't treat the audience as stupid and let the film tell you these things.
I also noted that they included the part where a Judge can select ammo by vocal command - then used this in a clever way where Dredd (in the cafe) says something like "Your call HOTSHOT" thus selecting his ammo of choice without alerting the perp.
This seemed a running theme in the film - show in a subtle way how the world of Dredd works and then use it to bigger effect later. As Logan says, it doesn't spoon-feed the audience. Too many films have been ruined this way.
The biggest (IMHO) was Harrison Ford's voiceover and the final scene in the hovercar in Bladerunner. The audiences make their own minds up why characters act as they do.
BTW I didn't see Rebellion in the main credits or the first part of the final credits - were they? If not how come?
Oh and did any of you guys see Iron Sky recently?
Barny
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 08 September, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: NikolaiDante on 08 September, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
I did find myself cringing when the bad guy picked up Anderson's gun as I KNEW what was going to happen when he pulled the trigger - and it did. I could tell that came as a surprise to some of the audience!
I thought this part was excellently done.
Too many films have to explain things in detail and then you wait till later in the film for that thing to happen.
Dredd didn't treat the audience as stupid and let the film tell you these things.
Did he actually die?I know Anderson kicked the shit out of him, but don't recall seeing him after that.I guess he may have bled to death?
I got the impression she broke his neck with that kick.
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 08 September, 2012, 03:01:59 PM
I got the impression she broke his neck with that kick.
Aha, probably!
It's not doing too well from the sounds of it, an average of 20-30 people per screen is very worrying indeed.
It's probably partly due to the hot weather, which is a real shame. Really, really hope it picks up over the week...
I saw the movie last night, I had a motley collection of mates along for the ride, ten of us in all, and views varied from great to garbage, just goes to show you can't win em all.
First, what I didn't like... 3D, I would have been much happier if the only scenes in 3D were the SLO-MO scenes, because it added nothing to the experience for the majority of the movie and I actually thought it detracted from it at times. (One of my group said that the 3D in Prometheus was no better so I guess it's just a medium that isn't working). Also, two of the group went home immediately afterwards with headaches. Next viewing will be in 2D, and I really hope The Hobbit has 2D showings because I'm simply done with the format.
The future America is a mouldy corridor. Too much time walking the samey, bland halls of Peach Trees. Blade Runner had a similar run down vibe, while still giving more life to each scene, but this is a budget issue so I'm giving it a pass,
And I think that's the niggles out the way, although the 3D was a fucking huge niggle.
As for everything else, for me they pretty much nailed it, a day in the life story of the worlds grumpiest civil servant . You really do get a feeling that this is what Dredd does every day. It must suck. Urbans chin was acting its little whiskers off, great stuff. Each downturn of the lips, each mocking sneer showed how little he actually thinks of what has become of the human race, so just like a bureaucrat then. :lol:
Props too to Lex who got a positively Shakespearean performance out of his own chin.
I also liked how Dredd took that bullet, I doubt it was his first, and knew it was coming but the reaction felt true. not one of those ridiculous superhero moments, genuinely human. Talking of genuine, the point where Dredd helps Anderson with her own bullet holes was quite touching, really nice little moment.
Anderson was excellent, and like Kay, I wouldn't mind a bit more time with her. :o
Ma-Ma was dead ages ago, thats how it feels. Bored, laconic, empty. She's living for the the drug high, or to inflict some pain. There just seems to be nothing else left of her. Nicely done.
The problem of filming the helmets seemed unfounded, in fact I thought the one size fits all issue worked in their favour, gave them quite a motley look, nothing preened and perfect about these judges.
The Lawmaster really worked too, especially when compared to Stallones' top heavy mopeds, wobbling down the road at 5mph. This Lawmaster was quick and vicious, nipping in and out of traffic hot on the heels of the perps. And I didn't mind the old school vehicles either. In fact if the world is just recovering from a nuclear war (as it appears in this early incarnation of Mega City 1) I guess the easiest and cheapest is what you make. They all sounded electric though, so props to trying to save what's left of the environment. Or maybe They just don't have the gas to guzzle any more.
The SLO-MO was beautiful, I would have liked a whole lot more of it. And if it had been the only 3D element, it would have stood out so much better.
This is the first movie I have followed with such interest, it was worrying feeling so invested. I was particularly worried how the group would react (they were there in the most part because I sold it to them, plus I throw a mean after show party), especially 15 minutes in when the 3D really started to annoy, but the worry was unfounded, only one of the group thought ill of the film as a whole, everyone else really liked the film, liked the story, and liked the character of Judge Dredd.
And I loved it, and I want more, a lot more.
The flying bits of hand, bone and blood resulted in a 'coooooaaahahahah' from the (small) audience.. (I remember them doing the tests for that, trying to figure out how to not actually kill the actor..) I had to smile.. What made me giggle involuntarily was the perp getting his head blown off outside an elevator..
Quote from: radiator on 08 September, 2012, 03:04:05 PM
It's not doing too well from the sounds of it, an average of 20-30 people per screen is very worrying indeed.
It's probably partly due to the hot weather, which is a real shame. Really, really hope it picks up over the week...
Hope so.
There was an England match last night as well, and I know a few people wait for things like Orange Wednesday.
I don't know if many people see something straight after work on a Friday anyway - Sat/Sun is a bigger indicator.
I'm going along tomorrow night, should be between 4 and 10 of us, depending on who wants to come.
Fingers crossed we're going to see it at the Vue in Islington, they're showing it on their 'Xtreme' screen, which is bloody massive according to my girlfriend.
Quote from: radiator on 08 September, 2012, 03:12:52 PMbloody massive according to my girlfriend.
Well they will say things like that to keep us happy
:lol:
I myself was moved when dredd was shot by lex but i was thinking when dredd is slumped on the floor and lex is about to finish him off dredd tells lex to wait or something like that and then lex who i thought was great even though i wanted dredd to get up and kick his ass starts to mock dredd the ? is how did dredd no anderson was gunna save his ass i dont think he did so why tell him to wait dredd dont beg for mercy or was he :|
Well Anderson's a psychic, and she starts to read his mind at the beginning...
Yeah, that was may reading of it as well, that she was able to 'tell' Dredd she was on her way.
Seen it. loved it! Whoever made the trailer should be shot! Talk about giving it away!!
Why "F**K" and no "DROKK" though??
Quote from: hazy efc on 08 September, 2012, 03:32:06 PM
I myself was moved when dredd was shot by lex but i was thinking when dredd is slumped on the floor and lex is about to finish him off dredd tells lex to wait or something like that and then lex who i thought was great even though i wanted dredd to get up and kick his ass starts to mock dredd the ? is how did dredd no anderson was gunna save his ass i dont think he did so why tell him to wait dredd dont beg for mercy or was he :|
Telling Lex to wait would have been the only option left for him to buy extra time. Why not tell him to wait. It's likely that he did see Anderson entering the room and being as Dredd more than likely knows Lex, he also anticipated him taking that crucial time to gloat.
did anyone else notice that after anderson takes out lex dredd then fix`s himself up and when he says you look ready to anderson the hole in his armour were he had been shot was gone
I was hoping for a boot knife...
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 03:48:32 PM
Well Anderson's a psychic, and she starts to read his mind at the beginning...
Quote from: Judge Jack on 08 September, 2012, 03:50:32 PM
Yeah, that was may reading of it as well, that she was able to 'tell' Dredd she was on her way.
Also makes sense.
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 03:55:33 PM
I was hoping for a boot knife...
Indeed.Thought Lex would get one in the neck.
Quote from: hazy efc on 08 September, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
did anyone else notice that after anderson takes out lex dredd then fix`s himself up and when he says you look ready to anderson the hole in his armour were he had been shot was gone
And did anybody notice MaMa's druggy chic teeth, were all pearly white and lovely-looking when Dredd sent her packing?
Everything looks better with SLO-MO...
Been to see it 3 times now
all at the vue Omni Edinburgh
first visit, first showing @ 11:30 /////15-20 in cinema
2nd visit friday night //// 23 in cinema
3rd visit sat, 13:45 /// 22 in cinema
:o
Really enjoyed the third time even saw Joe Soap at the start (QUALITY)
still like the homeless man getting squished ....
Saw it in Brum today.
Loved it.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 08 September, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: hazy efc on 08 September, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
did anyone else notice that after anderson takes out lex dredd then fix`s himself up and when he says you look ready to anderson the hole in his armour were he had been shot was gone
And did anybody notice MaMa's druggy chic teeth, were all pearly white and lovely-looking when Dredd sent her packing?
Was that her Slo -Mo vision though?
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 September, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
I don't know if the satire is that much of a hurdle because the real world has caught up.
HA! Once again Steve you get to the point I miss. That's so depressingly true.
Both times I went I think there were about 50 folk there. It was showing on the biggest screen so was very far from full, but for a daytime weekday screening it seemed quite healthy to me. I also got the impression from the chat I was overhearing that there were a lot of uninitiated there who were really getting into it.
I really hope it does well, I've never felt more invested in a film as a fan so I'd be gutted for all involved if it didn't get it's dues.
As for the mention of Rebellion not getting a decent credit, the Kingsleys got a big credit at the end not long after Wagner/Ezquerra, I forget the wording but it was something like "producers for Rebellion" or summing. I still think not mentioning 2000AD anywhere was a misstep marketingwise if they want to bring folks into the comic, but if the only complaint I have with the film is the wording of the credits then we're all good!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 08 September, 2012, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: darnmarr on 08 September, 2012, 04:17:05 PM
Everything looks better with SLO-MO...
Not you though..
Well, of course; not even SLO-MO can improve upon perfection...
Well what can I say but AWESOME, I've caught the movie twice in as many days.
Yesterday we sat down for the 2pm screening at Cineworld in Edge Lane, Liverpool and after around five attempts to run the ads we were told the screening wouldn't go ahead due to a technical fault :(. We accepted a refund (and complimentary tickets for another future screening) and headed to Liverpool One's Odeon where we enjoyed it in style :D. I chanced another screening at Cineworld again today and enjoyed it all over again, and dare I say enjoyed it more the second time around.
It all came and went in no time at all and left me wanting more, this is Dredd. It all worked so well with so many nice touches and nods to Dredd's rich history, and a brooding soundtrack to boot.
I didn't think of Urban under that helmet at all, just Dredd, the man, the machine... it was fanboy/girl heaven.
I felt Dredd looked a bit old and beaten after taking a bullet in the factory scene, but I'm old school and don't like to think of anyone getting the better of Joe ;), it kinda reminded me of a scene in "Crusade" where Joe falls fowl to "Cesare".
In summing up I was well impressed and aim to see this again soon, and here's hoping there's a nice sharp Blu ray to follow soon.
:thumbsup:
Ed
Holy twat of a bastard, wow! Just got back from the second viewing. This is the best film ever. Not only did it meet my ridiculously high expectations but it exceeded them.
Got a lot of catch up reading to do I see.
My fav bits were the headbutt (bloody brutal) the bit where Dredd is walking around and everyone is locking there doors was a great scene too. Argh, so many brilliant bits. I would say this film is perfect.
Also, really glad they took out the kiss of life at the end.
Can't wait to go again!
Everyone I have gone with has loved it too. There will have to be sequels.
Just got back from my third viewing,still spotting new stuff (like Anderson staring at the the graffitti on the wall that says 'Muties Out' and has anyone else noticed this when Anderson is shot and on the floor there is a little copper wire animal by her head -reminded me of the paper unicorn scence from Bladerunner, not that I'm saying she a replicant or anything ;) )
Dredd tending to Anderson's wounds as someone else said near the end was touching.
#Eliminator -what kiss of life scene (was one in for Dredd on Anderson originally?)
First evening showing in a normal cinema ,on in screeen 1, but only 30 present ,a bit worrying, hopefully word will spread. Going with friends again on Tuesday and with my brothers on Wednesday.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 08 September, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
#Eliminator -what kiss of life scene (was one in for Dredd on Anderson originally?)
Yeah in the leaked script after anderson is shot, dredd kisses her to bring her back. Unless I just misread it or something, but pretty sure that was what was happening.
Quote from: esoteric ed on 08 September, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
I chanced another screening at Cineworld again today and enjoyed it all over again, and dare I say enjoyed it more the second time around.
Not sure why, but I enjoyed it even more second time too. It struck me that pretty much every time I've ever rewatched a film it's seemed longer the second time and perhaps dragged more than I expected, I think because your mind just stitches together the highlights when you think back to it and doesn't quite register any of the baggy connective stuff.
With this though the second viewing flew by quicker, to the point that I got a little upset when I realized I was near the end again.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 08 September, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
has anyone else noticed this when Anderson is shot and on the floor there is a little copper wire animal by her head -reminded me of the paper unicorn scence from Bladerunner, not that I'm saying she a replicant or anything ;) )
Noticed that too, and wasn't sure what it was implying. Thinking about it now I wonder if it being there gives wounded Anderson something to focus on, as the one time that she feels she's made a difference. Maybe that gives her the resolve to hold on, maybe it's the moment when she realizes she actually really wants to survive and pass so she can go on making a difference.
Or maybe I'm thinking about it too much :P
The question about the copper animal was asked to Alex at the Toronto screening. Here's his answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx23hQxNRMs&feature=player_detailpage#t=828s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx23hQxNRMs&feature=player_detailpage#t=828s)
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 08 September, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
when Anderson is shot and on the floor there is a little copper wire animal by her head
Ahh, its reading through this, and other threads that are reminding my of all the little details etc.
Got to see this again soon, and hopefully i will be, this coming Tuesday.
QuoteThe question about the copper animal was asked to Alex at the Toronto screening. Here's his answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx23hQxNRMs&feature=player_detailpage#t=828s
"should of been a reference.... was a reference..."
cool guy, very happy that Dredd ended up with Garland, very happy.
Bloody brilliant answer from Garland ,that was excellent :lol:
I think I am having withdrawal symptoms.
Saw the film at the Bath Odeon yesterday 9pm, with my bro & his buddy. I'd say there was maybe 40 people in total. Everyone seemed to enjoy it from the general ambience. I certainly did!
Dredd was spot on, the uniform is great (also sounded good, the creaking of the leather). The way he moved looked professional/military. Dredd's script was perfect, especially the way he spoke to Anderson, I liked that he started calling her Rookie and gradually moved to Anderson as his respect grew. The banter worked well too, the time when he told her to "tell control, not me." :)
Anderson was an interesting character and as others have said hers is the human story. Also plenty of space for her to develop in future films.
The use of Dreddworld terms was nice to hear, Resyk, Perp, Iso-Cube. That's where Alexs' respect of Dredds history shows through.
Thought the Lawmaster was good, however I would have liked to see an eagle on the front in a subtle relief similar to that of the shoulder pad. The vehicles could've been slightly newer, that VW was an 80's design! I'm sure we could've seen some vehicles from the 21st century cruising the highways. It was almost like an alternate reality rather than our future.
I didn't think too much of the 3D, there were a few standout moments, the West Wall, the depiction of height in the Peach Trees, also the corridor's seemed long. The Slow Mo worked too, but it seemed blured at times (maybe that was the projection?) I'm looking forward to Blueray though.
If we get a sequel I hope it's good old school 2D.
I'd give it 4 out 5 stars, and plan to go at least once more. May also catch a 2D showing if that happens.
Just back from a packed screening in Toronto as part of the film festival here. Dredd was also shown on Thursday night but as I was working, I went to the Saturday midday screening instead. I think it may have actually been full, there was a very lengthy queue to get in but luckily I arrived early so snagged myself a decent seat (Thursday's screening was also reportedly very busy, if not completely sold-out). There was also a pretty wide range of people there, from all ages (at least one of whom, standing behind me in the queue, was definitely not 18!). Of course, this was a film festival screening so perhaps that needs to be taken into account in terms of demographics.
As to the film itself, I'm just going to list out a few things I liked and also things that I feel could have been done better. Overall I really enjoyed it but I'm also aware that it's almost impossible for me to take any kind of objective view of things as a massive fan of Dredd for the best part of two decades now. I don't expect my views on the film (the good and the bad) are necessarily going to align with those of the regular filmgoing punter who isn't bringing any baggage to the film. To be honest, I have no idea what normos will think of it :D
Anyways...
For me, the strongest aspects of the film were the beginning and end. Karl Urban as Dredd was fantastic and gave some wonderful Dredd grimaces throughout. He managed to deliver a lot of the sometimes cheesy dialogue really well. The first Lawmaster scene was fantastic. In one scene, I thought I was looking at a recreation of a Cam Kennedy Dredd strip! Olivia Thrilby as Anderson was also wonderful, though at times she was weighed down by having to be Exposition Character #1. I loved the scenes where she took control and started taking out perps and I was actually a bit taken aback when she offed that first character.
Lena Headey was fantastic. A viscious snarl to compete with Dredd's grimace. She was also quite scary at the start. Funnily enough, during her first and last scenes (when she was on slo-mo) I was reminded of that short prologue story that was released last week and I felt a bit of sympathy for her. It was only during those scenes where she seemed at peace and actually human and - as vicious as she was - MaMa was also a product of her society. In many ways, her and Dredd were two sides of the same coin; Dredd has the law to give him a moral code but MaMa didn't have that. In another world, she probably would have made a great Judge. I do feel the film could have hinted at more of that depth that we learned of in the comic.
I hate 3D. Hate it. But... it was pretty good here. Frankly, I don't think it was really necessary for anything other than the initial world-building shots of MC-1 and the (brilliant) slo-mo scenes. Again, the repetition of dark, grungy corridors and pretty in-close shooting scenes didn't exactly scream out for the use of 3D.
The post-shootout scene where Dredd calmly walks MaMa's lieutenant out in front of her and launches him off the edge. Awesome.
Dredd's one-liners: Almost all brilliant. "You're the psychic." :P
The comic references. From the respect given to creators - I kind of wish they'd packed out Control with 2000AD alumni - to tags for Chopper and Kenny Who?, they were all great. I didn't spot the Tom Frame block, unfortunately. Oh, and in the scene where Dredd and Anderson first investigate MaMa's victims, there's a very odd looking guy in the crowd who I thought might be Otto Sump (!?)
There were a few things I think could have been done better. The entire middle segment of the film was a bit plodding. There were too many scenes of Dredd wandering around repetitive looking dark corridors. A lot of the shooting scenes/taking out perps were pretty dull with extras just running into bullets. I would have liked to see a bit more creativity in these scenes as at times it felt like I was just watching somebody else play a shoot-em-up computer game. I've seen plenty of dynamic action scenes in low-budget action flicks so I don't think there's really an excuse here; I think Travis could have choreographed and shot those action scenes much better, even under the inherent restrictions of a low budget. The middle segment unfortunately hobbles the pacing of the film quite a bit but it soon picks up steam again when the 'backup' arrives.
Why did Dredd give MaMa slo-mo before pushing her out the window? Seemed like an odd thing for the character to do. I mean, I know it looked amazing and was done for that reason but... it didn't make much sense for Dredd to do that.
"Judgment tiiiime" Really? Not "Judgment is coming"? It elicited a pretty big laugh from the audience though I think by then they have been won over and were willing to go along with the cheese. Also Anderson's "Let's finish this": a line that should never be allowed in an action film.
I liked the little references to aspects of Dredd's world like mutants, the effectiveness of the Judges (only able to handle 6% of crimes everyday) and even Fatties. However I do feel they could have alluded to more of the lifestyle of MC-1 as it provides the audience with a lot more imagination ammunition and makes them curious about exploring that world further in sequels. This is a very small, picky complaint, I know. I'm essentially saying I wanted more, so in that sense the film succeeded! :D
I absolutely LOVED that the first thing you see when the film ends is "Judge Dredd created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra" in massive, bold font. Has there been any other comic book film that has paid such respect to its original creators?
Overall: a very good, if flawed, film. Pretty much perfect in terms of character and it serves its small plot well. I think it's a good introduction to Dredd and the system of the Judges - though not so much his world - and hopefully if there are sequels we'll see a much more expansive take on things and slightly more impressive and dynamic action scenes. I have no idea how Joe Public will take to it, to be honest. Could go either way!
Oh and it was great to finally see justice done to Judge Dredd. When people say film adaptations don't matter - that they don't effect the comics - I think of Judge Dredd and how, post-Stallone, any mention of him to the general public was always - always - followed up with mention of that film. It's brilliant to finally see the character validated in the public consciousness as the tough, no-nonsense, grumpy fucker that he has always been and the one we've come to know and love. :P
Just back form the cinema, really enjoyed it.
Uniforms were spot on, Dredd and Anderson were great, good story.
The only niggles are the ones that have been here before, I didnt like the bikes and the current cars were a bit odd, but no more than really getting a kick out of seeing the Chopper grafitti, these are all fanboy issues.
Hope it does well enough to get a sequel, get the same team back with a bit more cash, I think they would hit it out of the park.
Well done all involved.
David
PreacherCain what an excellently comprehensive review. I don't agree with everything ( a pacing fault has been highlighted by a number of people, and just because I personally dont see it, doesn't mean anything... all I know is that it never bored me) and I think Dredd giving Ma-Ma that last shot of 'mo (if his only motive was to prolong her agony) did seem a trifle vindictive... But my real concern; in terms of an action by Dredd (who can be a little vindictive from time-to-time) is was it strictly legal? I've thought about it a bit and concluded that it's just too necessary, for the visual climax element, to be either replaced or done away with, and so what ever is lost, in terms of deviation from Dredd's character, is gained in a mechanical sense of completeness for the story.
Unless he gave her the slo-mo for the other reason.
It barely registered with me, but it's been suggested he gave her a dose to delay her activating the dead man's trigger until she was out of range.
Not quite sure exactly how much sense that makes, but what the hell, it works for me.
Plus it made for an awesome visual.
I see it as the equivalent of sticking her in the time-stretcher.
I assumed that the trigger was a bluff, hence the "yeah" as in "yeah, thought so."
But I suppose it makes sense that to throw her out on slow mo would mean she wouldn't die of shock so would make it to the ground.
Both work for me.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:05:45 AM
I assumed that the trigger was a bluff, hence the "yeah" as in "yeah, thought so."
But I suppose it makes sense that to throw her out on slow mo would mean she wouldn't die of shock so would make it to the ground.
Both work for me.
I think the trigger mechanism was too out of range to work through concrete 200 blocks below.
That's my take on it anyway.
Yeah, but I mean she had to have slow mo to get out of range.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:20:08 AM
Yeah, but I mean she had to have slow mo to get out of range.
Ma-Ma had only rigged the top blocks as far as I understood it.
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
Honest, Dredd want her to suffer a lot with Ma-Ma felt the death sentence when she can felt it all in Slo-Mo, that how bastard Dredd is!
Quote from: Goaty on 09 September, 2012, 12:46:13 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
Honest, Dredd want her to suffer a lot with Ma-Ma felt the death sentence when she can felt it all in Slo-Mo, that how bastard Dredd is!
But it's illegal to take slo-mo and so Dredd giving it to her... it makes him an accomplice to a crime, doesn't it!?
I guess I can buy the slowing down her reactions explanation. Though it's been shown at a few points throughout the film that taking slo-mo doesn't prevent perps from taking aim and firing at Dredd. I suppose I felt that this ethical/narrative conundrum could have been avoided simply enough by having MaMa take the drug herself after she's been shot. But then the slo-mo does create a euphoric state and therefore slows down the heartbeat, preventing death until impact. OK, I'll but it too :P
Also cool: Dredd headbutting that Wire perp. Looked quite painful :o
Personally I think he just wanted her to suffer, and that she was just bluffing, but my friend who I watched it with thought the above. But yeah either way, it was still an awesome death scene. That face splatter was ace! Would have liked to have seen it in fast motion though maybe, give a bit more shock value.
Went to see the 2D showing in Scarborough, Saturday afternoon. There were only 3 people in the audience plus 1 staff member! Bit worrying... I hope it picks up over the next few days.
I'm not sure why, but there were no adverts or trailers before, just straight into the movie... nice!
Favourite bit of the movie - When Anderson fires her gun up under the chin of that guy and through the top of his head! Awesome!
Least favourite bit - cutting way too soon when Anderson unzips! Heh!
Seeing the movie has put me in a good mood, and I might actually continue with the Bolland style Anderson picture I started well over a year ago in the creative common section.
Also Goaty, where did that awesome sig come from? haha.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 09 September, 2012, 12:59:37 AM
Also cool: Dredd headbutting that Wire perp. Looked quite painful :o
Yeah, I was surprised he still had a face left after that.
Dredd was definitely applying a bit of punishment with his sentencing. He threw the second in command off the balcony, that's not instant justice. And Ma-Mas' was a very drawn out affair, great for us, but poor bitch.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
Yep, this is how I see it too. Dredd says something like "What's the range on that thing? We're 1km up, can it get through 200 stories of plaster and steel?"
So for me, he throws her to get her out of range and the slo-mo is to prevent a heart attack.
Went to see it for the second time tonight with Mrs Pete, she came out of the cinema like an excited little girl! We enthusiastically chatted about the film for easily an hour. She wasn't even this excited about her precious Harry Potters!
I hope you all enjoyed the weapons handling, room entry drils and the unarmed combat scenes, as I fucking did.
When they did the sequence after he threw the smoke grenade and they advanced towards the perps, I knew we were onto a winner. The grenade is there to fuck up your breathing and impair you vision. At the same time the perps heartbeats will rise, which means they won't have a steady aim, if they can even see where to aim. Dredd on the other hand calmly advances through them and takes out the nearest one with a double tap and then moves onto the next. The reason he can do this is the training and trusting in his weapon and his body armour!
The room entry after the flash bang goes off. Again the noise and bright light completely disorientate the perps. They will be temporarily blinded and have severe ringing in their ears. Dredd and Anderson can move through them and just pick them off with ease. At the end Dredd ejects his mag and puts on a full one, he may have used all the rounds in the other mag (I didn't see him have a dead mans click) but more than likely he wants a fresh one on in case they have another contact straight away.
The room entry drills were lovely, especially as Dredd (I'm sure it was him but I may be mistaken) taps Anderson on her shoulder to say advance, I'm with you now. I really enjoyed that. They also did some swift moves as they turned corners and kept the direction of the barrel in line with their eyes. Where the eyes look the barrel points!
The unarmed combat was lovely, effective moves to disable and kill. We don't need protracted scenes of hitting people with bars and such crap and they still don't go down, that every other film has. When the Judges fight it's with minimum fuss but maximum damage!
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 08 September, 2012, 10:00:53 PM
My fav bits were the headbutt (bloody brutal)...
Funny story - when that happened, I let out a slightly-too-loud 'YEAH!' and the big guy in the seat in front of mine actually punched the air!
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
I thought it was so she wouldn't have the reactions to trigger the device.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 09 September, 2012, 05:57:15 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 September, 2012, 12:26:38 AM
I am agreeing with you, but just thinking that Dredd may have given her slow mo so that when she is thrown out of the window she doesn't have a heart attack or something as she would still be in range if you get me?
I thought it was so she wouldn't have the reactions to trigger the device.
Could she trigger it manually? She had plenty of time and opportunity after getting shot. I think it would only go off if and when her heart stopped.
i thought administering slo mo to ma ma was just poetic justice, nothing else. must admit i still piss myself thinking bout the scene where dredds pushed her out the window and a boarder-dont remember who sorry- put a santa hat on him sayin merry xmas on a still of it!
Yeah, I can't shake that image either, grrrr!
I noticed a few new things last night, I think when we see the four dirty judges on their bikes they ride past Hicklenton Block, which is just lovely. I saw an ad for Umpty Candy (it do say it, but it's the red and white sweeties of the strip) and one of the shops was "Otto's" something-or-other. I assume that's the esteemed Mr Sump's premises.
The best vocal review came from my date last night. Never having come across Judge Dredd before, she said 'I really enjoyed that. It was miles better than that bloody Batman film.'
I think this ones a keeper! :lol:
heh,yep keeper shaolin monkey! will keep an eye out for hicklenton block on my third viewing tonight pete.
heh,yep keeper shaolin monkey! will keep an eye out for hicklenton block on my third viewing tonight pete.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 September, 2012, 03:35:12 AM
The unarmed combat was lovely, effective moves to disable and kill. We don't need protracted scenes of hitting people with bars and such crap and they still don't go down, that every other film has. When the Judges fight it's with minimum fuss but maximum damage!
This! - I wanted effective fighting and that's what I got. No 'balletic' anything, just get in there and get them down. Fantastic.
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Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 31 August, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
Like PJ, i hate you all.
No i dont- im insanely jealous of you all for having that experience.
SBT
You know what? It sounds cheesy but I really wish the whole board could have gone to this. There was such a great atmosphere and a sense of camaraderie. We were all finally amongst people who understood. It was so lovely meeting everyone and sharing this exciting experience.
Everyone was so cool and it was great to meet Judge Fett, Bat King, Radiator, Joe Soap, SuperSurfer (sorry you didn't get in), Large 48, DarnMarr, Sherman Kid, Richmond, Bolt01 and loads more.
It would have been great to meet all the rest of you as well. I realise I'm all loved up, drunk on the heady, surreal experience and possibly talking bollocks but everyone who was there last night feels like a brother to me. I feel so lucky to be a part of all this and so grateful to Molch-R and everyone else for making it happen.
And I'm so glad we've still got 2000 AD after all these years and that we, the fans, are cared about to this extent.
Long live Tharg!
I jumped on board 2000Ad at Christmas so I'm a relative newbie. I just wanted to say that reading all the posts and knowing that you die hard fans have followed Dredd fanatically for decades, it made me smile to see you get your big pay off guys.
Big congrats fellas.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 September, 2012, 03:35:12 AM
The room entry after the flash bang goes off. Again the noise and bright light completely disorientate the perps. They will be temporarily blinded and have severe ringing in their ears. Dredd and Anderson can move through them and just pick them off with ease. At the end Dredd ejects his mag and puts on a full one, he may have used all the rounds in the other mag (I didn't see him have a dead mans click) but more than likely he wants a fresh one on in case they have another contact straight away.
I reckon it's a combination of both.. The lawgivers locked back when empty, yet the tech we thought up for ti still had it lock into battery to be able to fire the specialist rounds with their own secondary charge electrically, without having the propellant blast out the open ejection port..
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 09 September, 2012, 07:52:48 AMNever having come across Judge Dredd before, she said 'I really enjoyed that.
That was some date.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 08 September, 2012, 11:17:40 PM
Why did Dredd give MaMa slo-mo before pushing her out the window? Seemed like an odd thing for the character to do. I mean, I know it looked amazing and was done for that reason but... it didn't make much sense for Dredd to do that.
I took it that his initial shot had put her into shock, maybe even causing some form of paralysis. Dredd then picks Ma-Ma up and walks her to the edge. He then administers the Slo-mo before she can regain her senses, to prevent her removing the trigger (which would have registered as having no pulse causing the bombs to detonate.) before she plummeted out of range or hit the floor.
I don't think this Dredd would have given it to her as some form of poetic justice. But that's just my opinion.
Stew.
Agree with SKD re the slomo's intended purpose. Dredd is bloody smart, quick-thinking, something some critics seem to miss in trying to pen this under 'mindless action' tag, and I can easily see him deciding on this course of action. Doesn't rule out him giving her a taste of her own medicine, but primary reason would be more inclined towards pragmatism I think.
Forgot to say I loved the music. Listening to it right now via DigitalSpy and it just brings it all back again, esp the track Judge Jury Executioner. Love it.
Could it have been so that she could have a good, long hard look at everything she's done to deserve that?
Quote from: judgefett on 09 September, 2012, 07:23:16 AM
i thought administering slo mo to ma ma was just poetic justice, nothing else. must admit i still piss myself thinking bout the scene where dredds pushed her out the window and a boarder-dont remember who sorry- put a santa hat on him sayin merry xmas on a still of it!
I also thought it looked quite christmasy when they jump out on to the skate park. Think it was supposed to be dust from the explosion but still looked like snow to me.
Bloody LOVED it! THIS is Judge Dredd, not that camp catastrophe from years ago.
To me Dredd was to Judge Dredd what Batman Begins was to Batman and Robin: a darker, nastier, grittier and respectful reboot. It's also fitting that Joe stomps into cinema world a meaner, more brutal bastard than any of the American comic book icons. No pissing around, no weeping about every life being sacred, just bullets in the head of every lawbreaking scumbag and absolutely DESTROYING the throat of a traitor Judge.
Urban plays a fantastic Dredd. Not as grizzled as the version in my head, but that surely gives movie Dredd somewhere to go? I was initially a little sceptical about Thrilby's casting as Anderson, but she inhabited the character very well and I'm looking forward to seeing her develop into the optimistic foil to Dredd's nihilism just like in the comics. Headey also did a great job of making Ma-Ma seem fresh, rather than a stereotypical 'one mean bitch' she could've been.
I would've liked to have seen a 'bigger' Mega-City 1 (robots, uglies, massive roads choked with vechicles wrapped like snakes around the buildings etc) but appreciate the budget they were working with and the grittier style they were going for. And while it was a great "Don't f*** with me moment", the bit where Dredd emerges from the smoke to toss a guy down to the ground far below to send a warning really jarred with me - comic Dredd would've taken the clear shot he had at Ma-ma, not make a statement.
But these are minor niggles and personal preferences. I love that these are the most I can come up with and that I've finally seen my favourite comic book character, the one that got me reading comics in the first place, has finally got a film version worthy of him.
Now where's the sequel? :)
Quote from: GordyM on 09 September, 2012, 11:29:14 AMAnd while it was a great "Don't f*** with me moment", the bit where Dredd emerges from the smoke to toss a guy down to the ground far below to send a warning really jarred with me - comic Dredd would've taken the clear shot he had at Ma-ma, not make a statement.
I reckon tere was also a large element of "You can send a message, and so can I. And conserve ammunition too.."
Quote from: judgefett on 09 September, 2012, 07:23:16 AM
... admit i still piss myself thinking bout the scene where dredds pushed her out the window and a boarder-dont remember who sorry- put a santa hat on him sayin merry xmas on a still of it!
Ho ho ho! it was I, :the jolly ghost of Dreddmas present! :lol:
I have a question regarding the two Juves in one scene.
[spoiler]Why didn't he execute the two juves who were clearly trying to kill him?
Was he conserving his ammo by using the stun shots on them?[/spoiler]
no need for tags on this thread: and 'yes'.
And the fact that he didn't have too,sure hes a badass but not so devoid of humanity that he would kill some kids unless they fired first.That scene had me twitching as to if he would 'go there'.Actually glad he didn't.
He walks a very fine line.
indeed: he's not a jumpy, frightened, kid-with-a-gun cop* : he knows instinctively the difference between a threat and an irritation.
*of the type that so often do shoot people in real-life..
1/5 in today's Telegraph from Jenny McCartney. Says it's "deeply unpleasant and strangely dull". At the risk of sounding a bit sexist why are they sending a lady to this? It's hardly the target demographic. I mean in the same page she gives Anna Karenina 4/5 and gushes over its dazzling spectacle. One film was always suffering with one reviewer covering both.
I thought that was an interesting scene, could have went both ways.
If he had plently of ammo, would he still have taken the stun option?
Imagine the uproar if he would have gunned down two kids on screen,the Daily Mail campaign that would have followed would have been unreal.They probably would have gone after 2000AD it's self.
Ban this sick filth etc... not worth the hassle.
Plus Dredd didn't NEED too,he would have to have arrest himself knowing how mule headed he can be.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 09 September, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
..If he had plently of ammo, would he still have taken the stun option?
I think so; in terms of the film's contruction, he was 'still only on the bottom floor' both physically and in terms of the story,- shows the character as measured rather than simply kill-crazy, and still plenty of time to get messier as things went on.
Just to add my praise for the film.......
I saw it on Friday afternoon and I am hard pushed to find any negatives. I thought that the film was just completely excellent.
I absolutely loved the visual style which felt suitably grim and grimy. The design of the judges, the bike, the blocks - fantastic. It really made me believe in the deprivation and lawlessness of the city.
Karl Urban was first rate. I was already a fan and was so pleased when I originally heard that he had been cast. He did not disappoint. Olivia Thrilby was equally convincing as Anderson and Lena Headey great as Ma Ma. Only the senior/chief judge woman (what rank was she?) gave a slightly off performance. Maybe that was just me.
It has been the first time in many years that I woke up the next day and wanted to go and see a film again immediately. Hopefully I will get back to the cinema in a week or so for another viewing. Will certainly be buying the Blu Ray.
I have followed all of Dredd (and 2000ad) since the 70's and this film gets a big thumbs up from me to everyone involved - you did a first rate job and you did Dredd proud. Thanks!
Simon
The slight contrivance was why he didn't take any ammo from Chan considering he knew he had to conserve ammo.
I really loved the western feel when he's walking along the corridor on his own, curtains twitching.
Quote from: Buttonman on 09 September, 2012, 12:18:51 PM
1/5 in today's Telegraph from Jenny McCartney. Says it's "deeply unpleasant and strangely dull". At the risk of sounding a bit sexist why are they sending a lady to this? It's hardly the target demographic. I mean in the same page she gives Anna Karenina 4/5 and gushes over its dazzling spectacle. One film was always suffering with one reviewer covering both.
The one review online of Dredd from the Telegraph gives it a decent review and 3 stars, by
Tim Robey here -http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/9525727/Dredd-3D-review.html
(my first link post :D)
Quote from: Buttonman on 09 September, 2012, 12:18:51 PM
... at the risk of sounding a bit sexist why are they sending a lady to this?
Actually, from what I can tell, it seems to be doing reasonably alright amongst the ladies:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mF_WK12HN1o/UEyB9-JC9nI/AAAAAAAACA8/3WKeUwpidRc/s1600/dreddchart.GIF)
With regard to the question of 'why send a woman to review dredd?', it shouldnt matter- critics' reviews in the media are personal reactions to a film, not a judgement based upon the empirical 'quality'. It's all opinion, and media outlets employ critics based upon the style which they give that opinion. There's no wrong or right. If a paper's critic is female, she gets to review it if she wants to. The two films mentioned are not mutually exclusive, and it would be possible to enjoy both.
The problem is, too many people seem to think that critics are using some kind of skill in their reviews- that their opinion on film is somehow 'more important' than yours. It really isnt. Ive seen people genuinely google a film before seeing it and decide not to rent, buy or see it based on a review from a respected media outlet, despite having been excited about the movie previously.
What's the worst that could happen if you watch a film and dont like it?
SBT
Mind you: from that same Imdb data,- apparantly men lose all their critical faculties after 45, and women's ability to appreciate good films takes a sudden leap...so not sure solid what conclusions may be drawn...
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 09 September, 2012, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 09 September, 2012, 03:35:12 AM
The unarmed combat was lovely, effective moves to disable and kill. We don't need protracted scenes of hitting people with bars and such crap and they still don't go down, that every other film has. When the Judges fight it's with minimum fuss but maximum damage!
This! - I wanted effective fighting and that's what I got. No 'balletic' anything, just get in there and get them down. Fantastic.
I particularly liked when Dredd had that fight with the other Judge and finished him off with a well planned, focused and effective chip to the throat. I'm dying to see that again but on first watch the camera work and editing in that was great. And the fact that he was still standing whenDredd had long gone and the others arrived.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 09 September, 2012, 12:42:20 PM
The one review online of Dredd from the Telegraph gives it a decent review and 3 stars, by
Tim Robey here -http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/9525727/Dredd-3D-review.html
(my first link post :D)
Good effort! If you hit the second icon from the left above the smilies that looks like a globe you can add the link as a hyper link letting your reader click rather than cut and past to get to the article. Even better is, and this is at the far reach of my skills you take out the first closing bracket and add an '=' sign then paste the URL before rplacing the bracket - you can now add text between the brackets noting what the link is. Amazing! Telegrapgh article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/9525727/Dredd-3D-review.html)
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 09 September, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
With regard to the question of 'why send a woman to review dredd?', it shouldnt matter- critics' reviews in the media are personal reactions to a film, not a judgement based upon the empirical 'quality'. It's all opinion, and media outlets employ critics based upon the style which they give that opinion. There's no wrong or right. If a paper's critic is female, she gets to review it if she wants to. The two films mentioned are not mutually exclusive, and it would be possible to enjoy both.
The problem is, too many people seem to think that critics are using some kind of skill in their reviews- that their opinion on film is somehow 'more important' than yours. It really isnt. Ive seen people genuinely google a film before seeing it and decide not to rent, buy or see it based on a review from a respected media outlet, despite having been excited about the movie previously.
What's the worst that could happen if you watch a film and dont like it?
SBT
I agree to some extent but it should really be 'horses for courses' the person considering Dredd doesn't need to see it rubbished by an art house critic he wants to know how it rates in the genre, not that it's bad because of violence - he knows it's violent anyway he want's to know if it's good relative to its peers in the genre.
As said before they nailed the character and the mood,but for me the idea to pull Mega-city back closer to our reality is where they really hit the mark. It makes the whole thing so ghastly as subtle.
Is needless to go far in the future to see mega blocks like that. Hang around any council block in some areas of London and you'll find out places filled with poverty, ruled by gangs with criminals dealing drugs openly at the corridors. Anderson executing that guy to just a few moments later discover that he possibly wasn't a perp but someone pushed to the limits by the enviroment which he's lived is remarkable and handled in a magnificently subtle way that doesn't patronise the viewer. It's like make social/political comment without be dull or prepotent. As result, Dredd is rather a deeper film than what ocasional goers would expect from a action flick.
Well done guys :D
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 09 September, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
The problem is, too many people seem to think that critics are using some kind of skill in their reviews- that their opinion on film is somehow 'more important' than yours. It really isnt. Ive seen people genuinely google a film before seeing it and decide not to rent, buy or see it based on a review from a respected media outlet, despite having been excited about the movie previously.
What's the worst that could happen if you watch a film and dont like it?
Bang on the money!
I occasionally write reviews for an anime website, which was something I got into because I was pretty much apalled at the laziness, lack of objectivity and tone of so many reviews I've seen in newspapers and magazines. At the end of the day, a review presents somebody's opinion. There is NO 'ah, but...' to that.
I had a friend once who had taken a media studies course at college, and thought that made him the absolute authority on which movies folks he knew should see. He was the sort of immature personality that actually got IRATE when people didn't listen to him and went to see whichever movie was in question. He basically liked talking about movies because it gave him a platform to demonstarte to everybody how clever he thought he was. Sadly, some people get taken in by that claptrap.
Fact is, 'critics' can bemoan a lack of depth, social commentary or thought provoking subtext all they like. There's a lot of films out there that work extremely hard to provide those things, and turn out as utter snorefests. Really diabolical movies. Why are they diabolical? Because THEY'RE NOT FUN! Audiences are generally not looking for the things those guys search for in their critical analyses. That's a fact. If they were, there'd be no market for Steven Segal movies.
Absolutely, regarding critics. It's one of the reasons i never buy those generic 'film guides' or magazines such as Empire, etc. I really see non-genre movies so infrequently that it's only horror films i can honestly say i have any interest in. If i read a review, i want that review to judge the movie in context (that context being something other than 'all horror movies are shit') so i only go to mags like fango, black static or sites such as UHM. I really dont care what non genre-fans care about horror films.
Similarly Dredd, being a scifi action film means fans of those movies will know where to look for reviews. Id guess 'Impact' magazine? Im not a fan of that type of film, so you can basically
ignore anything i have to say!
SBT
Just got back ! WOW!!! bloody good and my wife deserves a ktt for sitting through it...but then take it off her as she prefered the other one.(dont be too harsh she liked van helsing)
slo mo was stunning and i dont use or condone the use of drugs but i might even have a go if that were available! ;)
one gripe ....the staff at vue in preston who asked to see our tickets as my wife is disabled and gets in a lot of pain so since there were only 5 i the cinema we moved to the bigger seats , the girl let us off this once! cheek.
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Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 09 September, 2012, 07:52:48 AMNever having come across Judge Dredd before, she said 'I really enjoyed that.
That was some date.
Yes, and later on she played with my helmet too.
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I went to see it on friday at the 11:15pm showing. There were 2 people in when I arrived and another20-30 in by the time it started.
I thought the film started nice and quickly, the vehicle looked fine to me. I would have liked Dredd to have said 'Negative' instead of 'No' when control asked if he wanted back up.
I thought the 3D slow motion was well utilised, the bathwater was amazing. I do feel that the slo-mo scenes could have been spread out a bit more though. After the slo-mo shoot up/arrest scene there seemed a period of action set piece, action set piece, action set piece.
Perhaps we could have had a scene in the drug factory where Dredd got hit with a dose somehow, and we got to see his perspective shooting up/scrapping with a bunch of the perps-emphasizing his excellent marksmanship and combat skills. It could even seem to enhance them.
The corrupt Judges I thought were great, and Dredd commenting on their '4 way split' as he offed them was a nice touch. As I've said previously I really liked Dredd's chop to the throat to take down Chan in their fight-brutal and quickly effective.
I did question Dredd's motivation for giving Ma-Ma thee slo-mo hit before tossing her out the window, it seemed too vindictive for him-I guess it is purely there for the visuals, and I thought making time seem to pass slowly might give Ma-Ma a chance to rip the trigger off her wrist as she fell.
All in all I thoroughly enjoyed it, can't wait to see it again, going to drag the missus along and get her opinion as a non comic reader normal member of society. On that- she did say a Facebook friend of hers, who's very 'normal' I think saw it and pronounced it awesome. My biggest worry is that Joe Public won't get it and after someone pointed out that Keith Lemmon was full I despair for the human race a bit more than I did earlier.
(As an aside, I was the only person in a premium seat, of which there were 2 rows of 15 or 16, some guy came in and pointed out that I was in his seat-7, not 8 as my ticket stated. He actually got me to move over rather than sit in the row in front or a couple along so I had him too close all film. I gave him a popcorn fart for his trouble).
Quote from: mogzilla on 09 September, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
.... she prefered the other one...
:oIt's when I read something like that I thank the sweet baba jay that I'm single...
Still: glad you liked it and if you ever want to file for divorce,- we're all witnesses :lol:
I felt it was my duty to take my wife to see it, she isn't a Dredd fan by any means, and she absolutely loved it. In fact I think she might be dragging me along for another viewing soon!
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Silly question because I would have read about it on here already but did anyone stay until after the credits in case there was an extra scene Marvel style?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 09 September, 2012, 06:04:52 PM
Silly question because I would have read about it on here already but did anyone stay until after the credits in case there was an extra scene Marvel style?
I did.There was a scene where a spotty herbet came on and asked me to leave.The mutie make up job on it was hideous, so props to the FX crew for that one...oh and the 3D effect was astonishing.You could almost SMELL the B.O...
finally got to see it today delayed to work and child commitements -- totaly loved it fanstastic film, went to the first showing in braintree 11.40 sunday and there was at least 30 people there
I've noticed a lot of people asking for 2D showings and i have to admit if i had the option i'd have taken the 2d option but after seing it in 3D I think it's one of the best movies of the year. He kicks TDKRs and Avengers ass
Well done to everyone involved in the movie, I thought it was totallly epic.
http://www.superrobotmayhem.com/comic-book-movies/judge-dredd-movie/dredd-3d-review/ (http://www.superrobotmayhem.com/comic-book-movies/judge-dredd-movie/dredd-3d-review/)
Any news on when the sequel will be going into production
Quote from: adi on 09 September, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
Any news on when the sequel will be going into production
As soon as it makes megabucks, I think.
Too premature to know if it would be greenlit.
First hurdle is to make $50m in the US.
Just got home from my second viewing, went with 5 other guys and the general consensus was very positive. As far as I could tell 1 loved it, 2 really liked it and the other 2 liked it.
Much discussion in the pub afterwards - and among the things said were 'way better than Prometheus' and 'I'd watch it again tomorrow'. Everyone really dug the 1980s action film vibe and everyone laughed along with it in the right places. Feel totally vindicated in my championing of the film all along.
Personally I liked it even more this time and noticed a lot more background stuff which I'll go into later.
About twenty people in the screening, but cinema was dead overall (very hot day) and it was an early evening screening.
Finally have Dredd in my head. Fuck yeh. What an adaption, me likeee lots, as did the missus and all who went along.
Going again in the week when my brother takes his wife.
And relax.
V
Oh, and everyone agreed that they really want to see a sequel.
I don't have the patience to read 33 pages of this, so all of this has probably been said before, but regardless:
I just saw it tonight, and thought it was brilliant. Just what a Dredd film should be.
Karl Urban and Olivia Thirlby both were pretty much what their respective characters should be like. Glad Urban kept the helmet on throughout.
Slow-motion effects were excellent, and not used too often, just the right amount. And sufficiently different to The Matrix to stand up in its own right -- after all, The Matrix did not show us slow-motion exit wounds! (And in fact The Matrix did its own slow-motion pretty quickly, with crazily-moving camera angles, which is a completely different aesthetic to what Dredd did with the bathwater and the broken glass.)
Lots of nods to the comic, but not so obvious that newbies would notice them and feel left out.
I think Alex Garland has done us proud.
Only one minor issue -- and it really is just a small one -- but the comic Dredd would never [spoiler]beat up a suspect to get information or a confession.[/spoiler]
I'm really pleased to see that Dredd has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, which bodes well.
Quote from: radiator on 09 September, 2012, 11:25:04 PM
About twenty people in the screening, but cinema was dead overall (very hot day) and it was an early evening screening.
I wouldn't worry too much about relatively small numbers of people at any specific showing. In case you missed it on the Box Office thread:
QuoteScreendaily reporter Ian Sandwell (@ian_sandwell) tweets:
Hearing that #Dredd has taken top spot at the UK box office; Anna Karenina's £980k debut in 2nd. Soft market overall, -25% on last weekend.
The 'soft market' comment suggests that the unseasonably nice weather has kept people out of the theatres in general, but with the weather taking a turn for the autumnal and the ability (if confirmed) to slap "UK Box Office No1" on any promotional material for Dredd going forwards makes me confident that the film is going to have some legs.
Cheers
Jim
Just hope The Sweeney (out Wednesday iirc) doesn't steal the no 1 spot...
One of my girlfriend's colleagues was praising Dredd to high heaven on Facebook yesterday - having gone in expecting nothing at all. Hope that's just indicative of the word of mouth on it...
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 08:50:28 AM
Just hope The Sweeney (out Wednesday iirc) doesn't steal the no 1 spot...
I'm assuming Sandwell was referring to the week 3/9 to 9/9, which appears to be the period the BFI uses for reporting (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/weekendboxoffice), in which case The Sweeney isn't in contention.
Edit to add:
QuoteHope that's just indicative of the word of mouth on it...
Stick #dredd or #dredd3d into Twitter. The word of mouth on the movie is
remarkable.Cheers
Jim
I clocked the little wire animal sculpture this time round.
The Clan Techie is seen making them early on in the film. Then, at the end, when Anderson is shot, there is one near her as she struggles to rise.
Was so great seeing the film with mates. I think at the fan screening everyone was so overawed, there wasn't quite the audience response I was expecting, but seeing it last night, pretty much every single thing Dredd said was met with chuckles, the grumpier his response, the more laughs he got.
I think the first big laugh was the 'hotshot', and then the scene of the cleaning up of the bodies with the tannoy announcement in the shopping centre. After that I think everyone was completely on side with the film.
There was tangible squirming and discomfort as Mama approached the ground, as people realised what was about to happen.
Oh yeah, lots of comparisons to John Carpenter being made by my friends, and much praise for the soundtrack too.
Went to see it for a second time yesterday afternoon with my friend and our wives.
My friend was a lapsed 2000 AD reader until I got him back into the fold recently. He's now a subscriber and a fully fledged Squaxx once again. He hasn't been following the production of the film and doesn't visit this site, so all he had to go on were the little tidbits I've been feeding him.
He absolutely loved it. His main point being that there was "absolutely no compromise. It's Dredd on the screen.".
My wife loved it too and thought it was 'artistically valid' (she likes her arty films) and my friend's wife enjoyed it too, even though she was covering her eyes during some of the gorier scenes.
I enjoyed it just as much, if not more than the first time. Having seen it once, I was able to relax and concentrate a bit more, absorbing the grungy atmosphere and enjoying the details. I'd love to go see it again but I can't really justify the expense, so I reckon the next time I watch it will be on DVD.
Really love this film. I hope it does well because it really deserves to be seen by a lot of people and, of course, I want to see a sequel. Well done to everyone involved.
Quote from: Richard on 10 September, 2012, 12:30:04 AM
Only one minor issue -- and it really is just a small one -- but the comic Dredd would never beat up a suspect to get information or a confession.
That niggled me, too, and I'm surprised it hasn't been commented on except to say how cool THAT headbutt was; especially since a few people here seem bothered by Dredd throwing Ma-Ma to her death despite having a legitimate reason for doing so.
One other (minor) quibble: The exploding Lawgiver. Yes, I
know it's COOL AS FUCK. And, yes, it's faithful to the strip. BUT! It also leaves a Judge unarmed bar (I presume) a boot knife and whatever's in their belt. It's the Justice Department equivalent of all those times someone throws away their gun because they've run out of ammo. A cliche that happens so often, in fact, I was half expecting Dredd's Lawgiver to be similarly dispensed with.
I liked that scene, it showed that it didn't get him anywhere, and quite funny seeing him standing in front of the flag where the brute force approach hadn't worked, leaving Anderson to do her thing.
Despite earlier precedent of 'torture is illegal' in an early story, Dredd has gone there in the comic - see his interrogation of Ruskin in After the Bombs, depends what Mega City Law says on the issue - it's only out of character if it's not 'legal'.
I thought that was great scene, and Dredd headbutted! how coolest is that??
And again I mentioned it before, it still interesting to see 5 stars on American Flag...
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
Dredd has gone there in the comic - see his interrogation of Ruskin in After the Bombs
Not read it. Who wrote it?
Remember folks, this may be the ONLY OPPORTUNITY we get to see it on the big screen, so do whatever you can to save money elsewhere and spend it on going to see it.
I personally have avoided my usual heavy weekend of drinking, saving me enough money to see it about three or four more times. I'll be going to see it for a fourth time before the week is out, and then a couple of times before the end of it's run.
And yeah, word of mouth on Twitter - I made a comment about it being 100% fresh on RT after nearly 30 critic reviews, and it ended up getting retweeted 13 times, maybe more by now - that's never happened to any of my tweets before!!! :o
My own thoughts on the film are it gets better every time you see it. The first time, at the preview, I was just so gobsmacked by it I missed so many things. On my third viewing I was picking up on graffiti, film posters, shops signs, random comments, where the soundtrack comes in and out, and so much more. It's a beautifully crafted film.
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 09:41:33 AM
There was tangible squirming and discomfort as Mama approached the ground, as people realised what was about to happen.
A colleague has just said the same thing to me, his screening was pretty busy and he says there was a group "ooooooooh" actually audible when the ground appears. My screenings were the same, you could feel everyone gripping their armrests. I think it's so effective because at that point you're enjoying the gorgeous slo-mo visuals that you almost forget a horrible death is imminent. It almost makes Ma Ma's death seem like a really beautiful thing and then the ugly reality sinks in. Brilliant.
Didn't bat an eyelid at Dredd's aggressive interrogation, he's done far worse as a means to an end.
Off for my third viewing tonight with my regular movie buddy, really looking forward to it, possibly even more than the first time.
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
Despite earlier precedent of 'torture is illegal' in an early story, Dredd has gone there in the comic - see his interrogation of Ruskin in After the Bombs, depends what Mega City Law says on the issue - it's only out of character if it's not 'legal'.
Also: Dredd has always been about expediency. Having realized that everything Ma-Ma is doing is intended to keep Kay out of the interrogation cubes and that her disproportionate response clearly hints that he's missed something
big, finding out what that is immediately becomes a top priority and I have no issue* with seeing a man who once had a reporter lobotomised under the Security of the City Act roughing up a suspect.
Cheers
Jim
*From a character perspective, obviously.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 10 September, 2012, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
Dredd has gone there in the comic - see his interrogation of Ruskin in After the Bombs
Not read it. Who wrote it?
John Wagner - came straight after the Total War/Terror plot.
Still small beans compared to nuking a billion innocent cits in the Apocalypse War.
My initial response to the look of the film was that I thought it looked a bit 'off' somehow - perhaps too grungy or too 'digital' in feel, and now I've seen it again I feel like I can articulate myself a bit better. Basically, I don't really like the colour palette/grading of the film. It's got a sort of greeny/yellowy cast which personally I find a bit sickly and off-putting for some reason. I know it's probably supposed to communicate the decay of the city, but I just don't like it. Also, other parts - mostly the slo mo sequences but not exclusively - have that obnoxiously 'teal and orange' grading that is so common these days.
Just a subjective thing, and as gripes go it's a minor, cosmetic point. Others may like it, but I probably would have preferred a different approach, maybe a cooler, more desaturated pallette, with the reds - as on Dredd's visor and the copious amounts of blood - picked out.
QuoteA colleague has just said the same thing to me, his screening was pretty busy and he says there was a group "ooooooooh" actually audible when the ground appears. My screenings were the same, you could feel everyone gripping their armrests. I think it's so effective because at that point you're enjoying the gorgeous slo-mo visuals that you almost forget a horrible death is imminent.
Yes totally.
I think the discomfort was due to people expecting it to
not cut away as we see Mama from the side in a wide shot as she is about to hit the floor. That would have been bloody gruesome, but I think it's handled well - even the impact itself is quite beautiful and dreamlike - like something from a music video. It wasn't hard for me to watch at all.
QuoteAlso: Dredd has always been about expediency. Having realized that everything Ma-Ma is doing is intended to keep Kay out of the interrogation cubes and that her disproportionate response clearly hints that he's missed something big, finding out what that is immediately becomes a top priority
Bang on.
Quotethis may be the ONLY OPPORTUNITY we get to see it on the big screen, so do whatever you can to save money elsewhere and spend it on going to see it.
YES! Got 5 others to see it with me last night - going to see it again Tues/Weds, this time on one of Vue's massive 'Xtreme' screens - and this time taking my girlfriend and hopefully drag along a few others too. I'm also going to relentlessly nag my brother in law to go and see it until he complies. He went to see Expendables 2, and if he liked that load of codswallop it's fair to say that Dredd is going to blow his mind.
The weather seems to be cooling off today, so hopefully that bodes well for Dredd's box office prospects the rest of the week, especially now it's (apparently) officially number 1!. As I said, my showing was quiet, but the cinema itself was all but deserted - there were hardly even any staff in the place and we had to buy our tickets from the snack bar.
Been avoiding coming here until I'd seen it (no self control when it comes to spoiler tags) but went twice over the weekend, once with not so geeky mates who loved it and once with another me who FUCKING loved it.
Much like the man himself, it's lean, uncompromising, focused brutality...beautifully paced (love the intro from the taut opening monologue to being thrown straight into a high speed pursuit) and the minimalist no-nonsense action movie with a brain script drives it so well...oh and the soundtrack meshes perfectly with the visuals..so yeah...loved it.
Congrats to everyone involved with the making of this and indeed for the U.K. box office No.1 - much deserved.
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 11:23:33 AM
My initial response to the look of the film was that I thought it looked a bit 'off' somehow - perhaps too grungy or too 'digital' in feel, and now I've seen it again I feel like I can articulate myself a bit better. Basically, I don't really like the colour palette/grading of the film. It's got a sort of greeny/yellowy cast which personally I find a bit sickly and off-putting for some reason. I know it's probably supposed to communicate the decay of the city, but I just don't like it. Also, other parts - mostly the slo mo sequences but not exclusively - have that obnoxiously 'teal and orange' grading that is so common these days.
Just a subjective thing, and as gripes go it's a minor, cosmetic point. Others may like it, but I probably would have preferred a different approach, maybe a cooler, more desaturated pallette, with the reds - as on Dredd's visor and the copious amounts of blood - picked out.
I, on the other hand, really liked the colour pallette used. I thought the high contrast and sickly yellows really added to the whole queasy atmosphere. I liked the bright red blood too. Not deliberately disagreeing but these were things that stood out to me as real positives.
I've been trying to avoid finding fault, at least for a while, but if I was pushed, I'd have to say there were a couple of issues.
I can't pretend that I wasn't a
little disappointed with the extremely contemporary look of Mega-City One, especially the fact that the city wasn't as densely packed with blocks as the comic version. Also, the vehicles were a bit too modern day. I was forwarned about both of these aesthetic issues from reading the film threads but I still couldn't help imagining how cool it would look if it had been a bit closer to the comic.
It came close during the scene just after Dredd and Anderson had blown out the wall and jumped out onto the skateboard ramp. The nighttime view of the city and the beautifully lit blocks looked great.
I realise that some of this was down to budget and my disappointment faded once the action moved into Peach Trees.
The only other issue I had was that I thought the actress playing the Chief Judge didn't do a very good job of projecting the authority that the role demands. She was too casual and laid back.
All the important stuff; Dredd and Anderson's character, dialogue, uniform, bike, gun, the lok of the blocks inside and out, all done perfectly.
Saw it saturday am at a local multi, about forty folks in for it and the lights bounced of most of their domes!!
Glad to see the correct way to say Cursed Earth right at the start :D
Various thangs here had prepared me for the violence but not the over all bleakness and grimness of the film's world view and Dredd's comporment. While this was fine with me, (as was the lack of pithy one liners every time someone is shot, and a lack of comic side kick ) I'm not sure the American audience will feel the same. Still their loss. I think this movie may even be a slow burner in the way Bladerunner was.
IMHO this is the best Dredd we could have hoped for on the big screen and Karl, Alex and the team are to be congratulated.
QuoteThe only other issue I had was that I thought the actress playing the Chief Judge didn't do a very good job of projecting the authority that the role demands. She was too casual and laid back.
Hmmm, yes. I hate to criticise, but she stood out to me as the only weak link in a
very strong cast. Some of Mama's goons were a bit on the cartoonish side also.
QuoteI can't pretend that I wasn't a little disappointed with the extremely contemporary look of Mega-City One, especially the fact that the city wasn't as densely packed with blocks as the comic version.
Alex said they experimented with having the mega-blocks closer together, but the result was they lost their sense of scale and just started to look like regular skyscrapers. Dispersing them out as they have exaggerates the contrast between them and the regular size buildings and helps to sell the concept.
As for the less futuristic feel, it's only really that one van that looks a little out of place to me. Watching the film a second time, I noticed that the buildings and the city look a lot more futuristic than I remembered from seeing it the first time. There's some really great shots - like the flyover of the crazy spaghetti junction, and the world of Mega-City One always feels like a real, tangible place. I wasn't keen at first, but I'm very pleasantly surprised at how well it works.
Really hit the spot!
Saw it on Sat at the Empire with the gathering organised by Commando Forces. Thanks for that CF – really appreciate it. Was a great evening.
I avoided this thread and many of the others from way back when script was out in the wild.
Tons already covered here. Yes, Urban fantastic, as was in particular Thirlby. Urban = early Ezquerra Dredd.
Summed up the essence of source material. Gritty, raw, no holds barred – rough round the edges (I mean that in a good way). Gave me the same buzz I had when I first read 2000AD.
A word that sums it up for me: uncompromising.
I like the way the film set out its stall from the outset. The sequence with the growling lawmaster chase as it busted down the undersked and pumping soundtrack had me grinning like a buffoon.
Really like the cinematography. I like the way it had a distinct visual style, the contrast of the dull scenes to the saturated colours.
I'd only seen one 3D film before: Avengers. It looked as if elements were flat cardboard cut outs placed in front of each other. Didn't get the point.
3D in DREDD was 3D. In places astounding. At one point towards the beginning I was drawn in so much I actually leant over to see around something blurry in the foreground. Bath scene out of this world. Never thought 3D could create such an illusion of depth as the water fanned outwards. When Ma Ma was falling she seemed to be way outside of the screen. Perhaps some purists would argue this kind of thing makes the viewer conscious they are watching a film rather than losing themselves in the story, but I don't care. It just added to the experience.
I really liked the way the film switched from action to almost surreal, dreamlike artistic scenes. Some of the slo-mo and other scenes reminded me of David Lynch's work. Almost like being submerged in water and then coming back up for air. Reminds me of Raging Bull in that respect with the boxing sequences.
Will the 3D date the film in 20 years time? I don't think so as I would imagine the visuals will work superbly in 2D. How many films do not feel anchored to the era they were produced in some way? Very few I can think of at the moment. I momentarily took off the 3D glasses and as expected they were dulling some of the colours so look forward to seeing it on the cathode ray tube on DVD in months to come.
Script was what I expected – pretty straightforward – not multilayered but did the job fine in establishing how Dredd should be portrayed.
Regarding the low tech in comparison to the comic version – again fine by me. The look of the vehicles didn't jar for me at all. As others said, it was set somewhere between now and the comic. Such a vast sprawling city would have all sorts of sectors with a different feel.
Loved the scene with Anderson out on the skate park taking stock. Loved the look on Ma Ma when it was dawning on her that things weren't going her way. Also the shot of Dredd with the reflection of the flames on his visor when he fried those perps with the incendiary.
Will see it again in a week or so. It will be the first film I see more than once in a cinema. (Actually think I might have seen Blue Velvet twice.)
More later. I'm still ploughing through this thread at both ends trying to read every post.
Oh, did I mention I liked it? Hell yes. It really felt like 2000AD on screen.
Am I the only one who wanted to see the hacker executed too? :)
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 September, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
Am I the only one who wanted to see the hacker executed too? :)
I felt really fucking sorry for that guy, and kudos to the actor (who we met briefly at the preview screening) for portrayinig such a tortured soul. He really was caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, and I really thought he expressed that conflict and angst beautifully. Excellent performance.
Re the opening scene with the bike and van, I bloody loved it!! I kept thinking of that Bolland cover that someone posted up a while back (was it a Quality comic cover?) with Dredd hanging off the front of a van. I spoke to Alex Garland about that, and he thought I was being nice to him and sparing his feelings when I said I really enjoyed that part, but no - it's a blast! Dredd screaming through traffic, the bad dudes realising a Judge is on their tail, 'Do you require backup?' 'No.' - it was all brilliant! I was grinning from ear to ear like a bloody goon on each of the three occasions I've seen that bit so far. As an opening to the film it was just excellent - grabbing viewers by the balls right from the outset, as it should be.
That's Domhnall Gleeson, probably best known for playing the eldest Weasely brother in Harry Potters 7 and 8. He's a great actor - son of the excellent Brendan Gleeson.
He used to be in Irish sketch show Your Bad Self - love this sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcDKeos5puI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcDKeos5puI)
I felt sorry for the hacker myself and i agree a really good performance by the guy im unfamiliar with his name, as a whole the acting was great from the whole cast 1 of the characters that stood out for me was mama`s right hand man he had a real robocop badguy vibe about him and i think he was the guy who dredd march`es to the edge of one of the floors and just throws him off and then turns around and walks into the smoke for me it was the most chilling part of the movie and it came just after i thought mama had dredds number, i really cant say enough good things about the movie and im going to go see it again on friday cant wait :D
What I want to know is will somebody put the plans up for how to convert a 750 GSX into a Lawmaster or even make a kit? Judge leather jacket with the embossed shoulders that he wears under the bullet vest would be cool too.
And a helmet
Gloves etc...
I don't think we could have got a better movie for the money. Well, maybe if the 3D portion of the budget could have gone to something else... Whilst I'm on the 3D here's my (quite personal) experience.
I was very reluctant to watch it in 3D, but the Empire Leicester Square trip was worth it. I don't have binocular vision. My right eye was deemed useless by my brain at a very young eye (due to it being turned in about 90 degrees). After a couple of operations I do get some peripheral image in it (albeit very blurry).
I've never seen a 3D image through red/green glasses, or been able to do a magic eye picture. Whenever I watch a 3D TV I see no 3D effect at all. I've avoided going to a 3D cinema screening as I see it as a waste. Extra ticket price just to watch a murky version of the film (potentially at half the frame rate).
Well, the showing we saw on Saturday night was via polarised glasses. The image was a little darker than normal, but I think the film is purposefully brighter than you'd expect to account for this. Frame rate wasn't an issue (as it would be with shutter glasses). But most amazingly of all I did get a 3D effect for the first time ever - in one, 2 second scene (right at the end, with Dredd behind the brken glass)!
I can only imagine that the 3D throughout would be quite something to see. However, I still think it's a gimmick employed almost entirely to extract more money out of customers. I applaud Christopher Nolan for avoiding it.
My other thoughts on the film.
RESPIRATOR: Sad it wasn't the badge of the helmet (maybe it'll make an appearance as an upgrade in the sequel).
HOT SHOT: Stood out as an odd type of round.
ANSERSON: Superb, especially how she was a completely different person inside her psychic world.
DREDD: A previous post nailed it when they said he used the minimum number of words to get his message across, without any need for shouting. Beautifully understated and at the same time utterly menacing. I was actually scared of him at one point.
CURSED EARTH: and not Curse-ed Earth a la James Earl Jones. Nice.
SOUND DESIGN: Brutal. Excellent. Right from the explosive Dredd logo. Later, the sound of things like bodies hitting the floor were spot on.
MC1: :(
SLO-MO: The 1% thing bugged me. I thought it was like 10-20%.
HUMOUR: Wagner would have been proud: "No, wait for her to shoot you."
VIOLENCE: They found whole new ways to show bodies coming apart. Gruesome, but brilliant.
I'm a little sad that if we do get a sequel then it's likely to be set in the Cursed Earth. For me Dredd is as much about MC1 as it is the Judges. But I'm sure it would be great nonetheless, and it would mean the money could be stretched further, no doubt. Conversely, I quite dislike Death and the Dark Judges but the way Alex Garland (briefly) described how he might handle them sounded intriguing and I think it would be great to see.
Overall: The perfect antidote to all those sugary Marvel superhero movies. A proper, grown up, action film, with an astonishing realisation of a british comic book legend. Thank you Alex and Karl.
Is Hot Shot a round all on its own, or an alternative command for an Incendiary?
Saw it last night...
I'll just add my two creds to say that it was an excellent Dredd film. Mega City One looked bleak and forboding as a relentlessly urban (ha!) landscape would be. The performances were pitch perfect and I personally thought Thirlby had the edge as I was watching it, but quickly realised that Urban had got Dredd so right it was hard to empathise with him in the same way as with Anderson - her purpose after all! Loved how they dealt with her psi and that it introduced the idea of mutants for any possible future outings. I also thought Lena Headly was brilliant giving real depth to the relatively few lines she had, and I was genuinely sorry to see her splat on the slab. A great anti hero imo. Would have liked to see Wood Harris get more to do too, but there you go.
3D was great, only my second experience and I'm impressed by what I thought was just a bit of a gimmick.
I think my favourite scene was when Dredd moves back in from the skate park, tracking the perps, taking most of them out before chucking Caleb (?) off the balcony in front of Ma Ma. Fuckin goosebumps! It was such a great character moment - really showed what a tough, uncompromising, frighteningly driven and possibly psychotic indvidual we're dealing with. Marvellous! I also thought the night view of the City looked amazing and was sorry we didn't see more of it.
I have some minor quibbles, but nothing that spoiled my enjoyment so I'll leave them aside to bask in the fact it was just drokking wonderful to see the characters there on the screen rather than a simulacrum. Up yer shiny bangs and whistles Hollywood, this is a grim hole of a Mega City and by Grud I love it.
Thank you to everyone involved in making this. And congratualtions on hitting #1 in the UK Box Office!
As them young ones do say - MOAR!
M.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 10 September, 2012, 01:43:25 PM
Is Hot Shot a round all on its own, or an alternative command for an Incendiary?
Didn't they use 'hotshot' as a name for the heat-seeker bullet in the early Dredds? It was obviously an incendiary in the film.
Yep, hotshot is a heatseeker rather than incendiary.
I guess they could have gone with a heatseeker where the gun is pointed away while he's talking to the perp, but it would have been a bit similar to Robocop's ricochet.
Re the Hot Shot - I suppose I meant the drawn out death was a bit odd.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 10 September, 2012, 12:56:31 PM
Re the opening scene with the bike and van, I bloody loved it!! I kept thinking of that Bolland cover that someone posted up a while back (was it a Quality comic cover?) with Dredd hanging off the front of a van. I spoke to Alex Garland about that, and he thought I was being nice to him and sparing his feelings when I said I really enjoyed that part, but no - it's a blast! Dredd screaming through traffic, the bad dudes realising a Judge is on their tail, 'Do you require backup?' 'No.' - it was all brilliant! I was grinning from ear to ear like a bloody goon on each of the three occasions I've seen that bit so far. As an opening to the film it was just excellent - grabbing viewers by the balls right from the outset, as it should be.
I was grinning like that too! The opening is my favourite bit of the film. It is just amazing! I love the the bass notes right when it opens, and the narration, and the music and the roar of the bike, and using old cars too. It is perfect.
Oh, and when Dredd gets off the bike as well and marches towards the crash, the sound it makes when his boots hit the floor gives him such power. Absolute badass.
I have said it before, but what I really like about the grungy look of this film, and the old cars, is it feels like a sci-fi film that is set in the future, but made in the 80s. Love it!
Just seen this quote from FURRYBASTARD over on the Empire forum
''On this week's Empire podcast, Chris said that given the chance he'd probably up the score to 4 stars. If such things are important to people!''
Thats better :)
http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=3455189&mpage=3&key=
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
''On this week's Empire podcast, Chris said that given the chance he'd probably up the score to 4 stars. If such things are important to people!''
Obviously it's not important to him then so why not just scrap the star-rating.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 01:38:43 PM
What I want to know is will somebody put the plans up for how to convert a 750 GSX into a Lawmaster or even make a kit? Judge leather jacket with the embossed shoulders that he wears under the bullet vest would be cool too.
And a helmet
Gloves etc...
Well, if someone wants to supply me with a donor bike.......
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 September, 2012, 10:37:12 AM
Also: Dredd has always been about expediency.
Sure. And I had no problem with him dispatching Ma-Ma in the manner he did. But with the roughing-up and headbutt he already had Anderson on hand to do what she then went on to do.
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 10:39:34 AM
Still small beans compared to nuking a billion innocent cits in the Apocalypse War.
Heh. While it's a course of action I'll not condone it's one that's in-character for Dredd and for the same reason, I presume, he authorized the use of torture in 'After the Bombs': To protect the City, with immediate effect, from further destruction.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 02:17:31 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
''On this week's Empire podcast, Chris said that given the chance he'd probably up the score to 4 stars. If such things are important to people!''
Obviously it's not important to him then so why not just scrap the star-rating.
Yeah,it's been a little iffy on Empire for a while now,Attack of the Clones 5 stars sealed it for me.They run some nice articles on film though.
Off for my second viewing tonight and another two booked in this week. Number one in box office...big grins!
Don't think I've ever been to the cinema I such an excited state in my life. Think the only thing about the previous film that got me feeling like this was the first30 seconds when they showed the covers flicking by,,,,
Fair does thinking about it even more that previous film was a right pile of crap...and upsetting crap too. :(
I went to see Dredd 2D yesterday and my mind now feels like a room with a fatty who has an exploding hand-grenade in his stomach. Too much gore, too many thoughts, too badly splattered out to make sense of right now. Most of it has already been said anyway. But here goes:
The senior Judge was just plain wrong. Both the uniform and characterisation were like the ones from THAT movie instead of this one. Was she really the actual CJ? Grud.
The hotshot was, I think, made
deliberately ambiguous. Heatseeker rounds are right on the borderline between "future tech" and "doesn't work outside a comic strip". In any case, you don't use them near bystanders, the story in the special (buried in the garage so I can't remember which one) established that.
Otherwise it was like hearing, and mostly seeing, Dredd brought to life. Main highlights for me:
- Dredd throwing Ma-Ma's 1st officer off the balcony 150 floors up right in front of her and just turning and walking away.
- Ma-Ma's execution. A great homage to Punisher executing the bad girl of The Slavers (though imo, that version is better as is the quote after it).
- Ma-Ma's body mashed as it hits the floor; didn't think even this movie would be as bloody as that.
- The slo-mo effect wearing off just before she hit the floor, truly awesome and really horrifying
- It really captured just what life and death is like in MC1; BRUTAL!
But for me, the best bit was this:
CITIZENS OF PEACH TREES! THIS IS JUDGE DREDD.
MA-MA IS NOT THE LAW. I AM THE LAW.
OBSTRUCT ME IN CARRYING OUT THE LAW AND
YOU WILL BE SUMMARILY EXECUTED.
(or words to that effect; this is really is Dredd talking.)
I really really hope they can properly do a TV series of this, it was that good. 96mins is nowhere near enough.
Quote from: Martin Howe on 10 September, 2012, 03:59:13 PM
I really really hope they can properly do a TV series of this, it was that good. 96mins is nowhere near enough.
I would much rather see a film series. A tv series would be nice at some point, but there is so much potential for more movies.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 September, 2012, 02:11:40 PM
I have said it before, but what I really like about the grungy look of this film, and the old cars, is it feels like a sci-fi film that is set in the future, but made in the 80s. Love it!
The film has an authentic 80s sci-fi feel to it even down to the soundtrack.There were so many elements which could have been taken right out of a John Carpenter film. And I agree that the part which felt the most like Dredd was the bike chase scene at the beginning, when he is pursuing the criminals and speaking to control over the radio. This was portrayed just as it should have been, and is how it has always been done in the comics since Prog #2. Really happy with that part of the film, and the old style vehicles just were not an issue at all for me.
The car chase was more of a visceral experience than anything else, and the real vehicles helped put you right in the middle of the action. I hope they take this same approach to the car scenes in any sequels that are made, even if the vehicles are digitally switched out with more futuristic cars.
Given the choice, I'd rather have a TV series as well.
It's no longer the poor relation, and I think it would suit Dredd down to the ground. I don't even think he would need to be in it for some of it, it would be more about Justice Department and the city.
In a perfect world, a series of films and then a tv show!
Did anyone else think the introduction of Dredd and the ending were purposefully done to mimic the same scenes in the Stallone movie? Almost as if Alex Garland were demonstrating how those scenes should have played out.
As Dredd gets off his bike for the first time you have the same shot in both movies - panning up from his foot. You even have a bike stabiliser in both versions!
And especially the ending – first film you have the doors opening and all the judges cheering Dredd and this big fanfare as he snogs the girl and drives off into the sunset. In the new movie you have the shutters coming up and all the judges plain ignoring Dredd (!) and absolutely no emotional resolution with Anderson (he doesn't even bother to tell her she's passed and she walks off pissed as hell!)
Back to the whole slo mo thing at the end, apart from the fact it acts like a time stretcher, which Judges are allowed to do if the crime is serious enouth, if slo-mo where a real drug then it would have to be sime form of neural and nerve dampener, which means there's a chance the trigger wouldn't have picked up that she was dead after she hit the floor because her nerves would still be trying to process the information from the fall and she'd still be twitching and trying to breath. It all buys them a few extra seconds to get off the top floors. And that is another point, only the top floors where rigged, Dredd must know that radio waves propigate best outwards and down. (I do and it was only wifi that taught me that.) Throwing her off the balcony with her nerves all glued up was almost logical and likely only option he had at that point. But I dont get why he didn't just blow her hand off at the wrist, we know he a good enougth shot to do it and has done it before infront of rookies and then turned round and told them to go for the chest shot because they don't have the experience at snap aiming like he does. But then again, I've already said I think this is young, pre apocolypse/necropolis war Dredd, maybe he's not that experienced yet.
Ohh, something else I should say. I have never been to see the same film twice in a cinema, no film has ever appealed to me so much I couldn't wait for the video/dvd release. But that might be about to change, no sod it, it is going to change, I'm going again on Wednesday. :D
I think it just comes down to I'm more of a Film fan than a TV fan. I can see many Dredd Storylines such as The Pit or Chief Judge's man working an TV in the Style of Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. I definitely think this has to happen at some point.
But I think it would be a terrible missed opportunity if characters such as the Dark Judges never had a cinematic interpretation. Especially when something like Kick Ass has been able to get a sequel.
I don't like the thought of a TV series...I think it cheapens the product
Quote from: Adamskilad on 10 September, 2012, 04:51:14 PM
Did anyone else think the introduction of Dredd and the ending were purposefully done to mimic the same scenes in the Stallone movie? Almost as if Alex Garland were demonstrating how those scenes should have played out.
Not sure about that, I think a lot of thought went into choosing the shots that were most effective in the new version. I honestly don't know what they thought they were up to in the '95 Judge Dredd.
One line which I always thought was a direct wink to the audience at the Stallone Dredd in Alex Garlands script was the 'Betray The Law' line in the Judge shoot out scene.
Dredd needs all the budget it can get.Other 2000ad stories could work though,Slaine and Robo Hunter spring to mind,Halo Jones too.
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
I don't like the thought of a TV series...I think it cheapens the product
If it were like BSG or the Wire?
Quote from: Subsplot on 10 September, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
But I dont get why he didn't just blow her hand off at the wrist,
because the trigger would have sensed no heartbeat and the bombs would've gone off.
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
I don't like the thought of a TV series...I think it cheapens the product
If they were going to throw
Game of Thrones type money at it, I'd disagree quite strongly.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 05:16:42 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
I don't like the thought of a TV series...I think it cheapens the product
If it were like BSG or the Wire?
It wouldn't be like that though would it? Or Game Of Thrones as Jim said.
It's essentially sci-fi...If it had a big budget fair enough...but I genuinely don't think it would have enough mass appeal to warrant the aforementioned. I think none of us want a watered down Sarah Connor terminator/Blade type affair...Well I don't anyway
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
It wouldn't be like that though would it? Or Game Of Thrones as Jim said.
If it proved popular enough, why not?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 September, 2012, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
I don't like the thought of a TV series...I think it cheapens the product
If they were going to throw Game of Thrones type money at it, I'd disagree quite strongly.
Cheers
Jim
If the same crew can be kept for a TV series, and they don't flog it on as a going concern.
I do like Game of Thrones, but what was done to The Walking Dead, with its repetitive moralizing was awful. There is a lot of lazy TV making where they just have an actor tell us a story to make some point, instead of using the plot of the program to do the same, that takes skill. And its nice to see that Dredd let its audience work out any moral point for itself.
BSG was escellent (until it kind of lost its way with the religious maze it created), so it could be done well.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
It wouldn't be like that though would it? Or Game Of Thrones as Jim said.
If it proved popular enough, why not?
Name a sci-fi based series that the American networks have chucked money at? I mean serious money like The Wire...Sopranos et al
Not going to happen...would love to be wrong...but it would be more like a cheap Dredd derivative
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 10 September, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
BSG was escellent (until it kind of lost its way with the religious maze it created), so it could be done well.
Was just going to say. Galactica, The Shield, Sopranos, Breaking Bad. All shows that have raised the game and, in most cases, are far superior to anything in the theaters. I always quite liked the idea of a Law & Order format for Dredd where the focus isn't so much on the main characters but more on the cases they have to solve. Could easily see it being done using the Dredd movie as a pilot of some sort.
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
It wouldn't be like that though would it? Or Game Of Thrones as Jim said.
If it proved popular enough, why not?
Name a sci-fi based series that the American networks have chucked money at? I mean serious money like The Wire...Sopranos et al
Not going to happen...would love to be wrong...but it would be more like a cheap Dredd derivative
BSG and Firefly were quite high budget. Hence Sci-Fi and FOX cancelling them. Haha! But a cable show would be a different proposition altogether with only 13 episode seasons. It could be done very easily without breaking the bank.
Lets not give up on the Sequels quite yet though.
What he said^
I'm all for sequels :D
i was blown away by the 3d and though i'll be getting the 2d dvd i'm glad i saw it in 3d not that we had a choice at vue, even the smoke was stunning i nearly reached up like my daughter does to touch it...
i loved the setting and the grimy gritty real feel and seeing how they treated a phsycic and mutation in a matter of fact way without having to explain too much makes me more confident that judge death could work on screen.
wasnt too keen on the CJ i thought she was one of the control judges ! and at the end really hoped he'd say "she'll do" as anderson walked away thinking she'd failed.
Stephen King's Dark Tower was going to be done as films and TV series, and I was curious to see that.
But in Dredd's case, I love seeing it on the big screen. Regardless of whether they throw money at it or not, small screen is small screen, and I do think it will lose some of that in-your-face power and mystery that this film has just delivered.
But I could be wrong - after all, Alex Garland is a fan of a TV series, and some of you are in the TV/movie industry too.
So, in conclusion, I just like seeing a bigass Dredd in the cinema. I will miss out on that in TV.
I think, if they get the greenlight for a sequel, they should shoot for an `R` rating,but still be able achieve a `15`here without a major compromise on violence.Also, much as I love it, maybe drop the 3D?
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Name a sci-fi based series that the American networks have chucked money at?
Are you suggesting BSG was a dismal failure?
...and they should have this guy as Chief Judge....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCySTWFcnlM
I liked the remake of BSG, but even that went of on it's moralizing bullshit tangents, "my relationship is falling apart", "I'm an alcoholic", "nobody trusts me as a pilot waaaahh!". It's space soap and not befitting of the Judge Dredd universe.
The only way I could be happy with Dredd as a TV series is if the talented people who brought us Dredd were on-board, and now that I have them in a Dredd movie, you would have to pry Karl and Olivia from my cold dead hands. replace them at your peril!
However, I'm really fond of humble pie and will eat it by the bucket-load if whatever happens next is just as awesome as what just happened.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Name a sci-fi based series that the American networks have chucked money at?
Are you suggesting BSG was a dismal failure?
Well it did get cancelled..I would have thought primarily due to budget..so it couldn't have been that popular..but I'm merely speculating as I'm not a fan..other than the film as a kid
Thinking back over the film since I cant afford to see it in 3D again this week I can't help but wonder what a Judge Anderson movie would be like. Maybe a prequel / TV series about how she grew up with her powers.
Also if Batman beat Superman in a fight and Dredd could beat Batman. Does that mean Dredd is the supremely powerful super hero of comics? I'd like to think so.
Actually rather than TV or films, I was rather thinking both. Babylon 5 is a good example; however, in an ideal world I would have the films as the master series, with events in the TV show tracking them if a conflict would arise. There have been good high-quality TV shows in recent years so it's not impossible; however, it would need the film(s) to do well at the box office.
IMO the TV show should be deliberately written as "The World of Dredd" or "Megacity One", since KU and OT would not likely be available for such lengths of time. They could guest star now and then, perhaps with a minimum quota of appearances; however, the show would be about the Judge system and the City in general.
After all, every Judge is the Law and some are better than others. There'd be plenty of room to explore things without needing Dredd in every single episode or even both KU and OT together. SJS, off-world operations, some cursed earth (but not too much, that'd be a Dredd episode arc or movie).
I am going to be unpopular but I hate the DJ story-lines with a passion and would not waste my money on watching a film that is mostly about them. We've seen too many near-unkillable magic/tech enemies laying waste to a city/spaceship/whatever in other TV shows and films and it has gotten boring. If MC1 is to suffer a big disaster, I feel that it'd be more interesting if the enemies were human or at least well-written aliens.
It's also worth considering that done properly, they would emerge as the stars of the show, rather than Dredd; in fact, I would prefer a spinoff movie featuring the origins of Judge Death, with a concise TV show arc for the early DJ stories. I guess if they were a secondary storyline running alongside the main arc of one of the movies, it might work.
My 2c for now.
PS: My eyes don't do 3D well so I had to find a cinema showing Dredd 2D; some people have had difficulty finding one where they live and I wish it had been more generally available.
I agree with them needing more 2D showings as all the other 3D movies i've seen were pretty crap. Saying that after seeing Dredd in 3D it's well worth it. they made great use of the technology.
It will be interesting to see if the lack of 2D showings will put people off and lower overall ticket sales.
Saw a tweet today that said Dredd was sold out so he couldn't get in to see it. Might not ever happen again but at least it happened once, right? :)
Down to 95% on RT now thanks to DigitalSpy and the Daily Fail. Ah well, was nice when it lasted.
Just in from going with my mate, he's read the occasional bit of Dredd and quite a bit of Anderson so I was curious what he would make of it. He loved it (phew) and wants to go again at least once. He actually said the movie had concreted the world in his mind more effectively than the comics had.
As for me, still loving it on a 3rd viewing. I now think my favorite part of the whole thing is Dredd's "Yeah..." line after Ma Ma dies. Must have been a huge temptation to bung a cheesy one liner in there, but that line and the way Urban delivers it is just pure Dredd.
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 10 September, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Name a sci-fi based series that the American networks have chucked money at?
Are you suggesting BSG was a dismal failure?
Well it did get cancelled..I would have thought primarily due to budget..so it couldn't have been that popular..but I'm merely speculating as I'm not a fan..other than the film as a kid
BSG was cancelled
because it was popular - SyFy didn't want to continue to pay for it, much as they didn't want to pay for the miniseries (which only got made because the sets were recycled from John Woo's
Lost In Space pilot) or the first proper season (Sky 1 ponied up the cash after the miniseries got serious love from UK viewers, which is why the first season premiered in the UK and became such a heavily-downloaded and anticipated series in the US). Notice the follow-up series that replaced it was set in much cheaper sets...
Well, after avoiding the boards for the last two weeks, I can finally sneak a peek in, as me and Dad go to go see it tonight.
Isn't it GREAT???!!!
We BOTH loved it, all the way back we were both rapping constantly about which were the best bits, which little easter eggs were in all the graffitti, how the hell Dredd kept running around corners from those big guns' artillery fire..
Most of all, we both felt it was brilliantly character driven, and that Dredd himself was PERFECT.
Not once did either of us mention Stallone.
I think we both weren't keen on the VW van at the start, but it was a minor quibble - the main topic of conversation afterwards was how soon it would be before we can go see it again (even a TEN QUID a pop!), and of course, when the hell's the sequel coming?
Can't write anymore, my brain's mashed. That. Was.GREAT.
It was great wasn't it? I'm still resonating bits days later. Going to Madrid tomorrow, but the Spanish release was September 7th - looks like the wife is going to pay heavy for her Prado visit!
The film got effects in people that want to see it again, beautiful is it?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 10 September, 2012, 05:11:27 PM
Dredd needs all the budget it can get.Other 2000ad stories could work though,Slaine and Robo Hunter spring to mind,Halo Jones too.
Rogue trooper to i think jason statham as rogue for me
Fuck Jason Statham.
Don't let him anywhere near a 2000ad film.
Seconded.
Quote from: hazy efc on 11 September, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Rogue trooper to i think jason statham as rogue for me
Because he
is bald?
I might have said this before, but Tom Jane for Rogue. Not sure if it's just because I saw him with a mohawk once and thought "if he was blue..." but I find him a pretty engaging actor, and he can do muscleman pretty well. He'd make a good judge too actually.
I like Jason Statham, but he is too - for want of a better word - real. I think he'd take me straight out of any scifi and right back into inner London. Even when he was in France in the Transporter, I was in inner London.
Second Thomas Jane. The Mist was fantastic - and the ending of the movie is just harrowing. I was well and truly harrowed. He's got some acting chops alright.
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
Fuck Jason Statham.
Don't let him anywhere near a 2000ad film.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Statham is a terrible choice for just about any
2000ad character. That goes quadruple for Sam Worthington, who I worryingly
hear may even hold the rights to Rogue Trooper .
I like Thomas Jane, but he is surprisingly small in real life and he is getting on a bit to play Rogue, just take a look at his recent Punisher short. I have suggested Djimon Hounsou in the past for Rogue, but time may be catching up with him too.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 11 September, 2012, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
Fuck Jason Statham.
Don't let him anywhere near a 2000ad film.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Statham is a terrible choice for just about any
2000ad character. That goes quadruple for Sam Worthington, who I worryingly
hear may even hold the rights to Rogue Trooper .
He's already done a blue guy.. He's not allowed to do more..
Had planned a midweek viewing for this, but in the end I couldn't wait. So booked the Friday afternoon 2pm show, Glasgow Cineworld. Screen 3 showing. Big screen. Didn't appear to be many in but it was hard to judge as I sat very near the front to get the full effect. Only one other in my row I think.
Loved it! Want to go again. At no point did I think of going for a cigarette.
I usually wait for DVDs to drop in price but I think I'll be buying this as soon as it is released. Then I can give the whole film a hit of Slo-Mo and take in all the background detail that was rushing by.
Who else thought Lex had a more Dredd-like chin than Dredd? ;)
Saw it again last night. I'm still trying to spot the graffiti everyone mentions, but can't see it. Hopefully I'll be going on Weds if it's a late enough showing. I can't get enough of this film.
I'm going to get a Cineworld Unlimited card so I can see it a few times before the month is out, as per Judgefett. I wish I'd taken up his suggestion earlier, as it would have paid for itself by now, twice over!
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 11 September, 2012, 11:10:11 AM
I'm going to get a Cineworld Unlimited card so I can see it a few times before the month is out, as per Judgefett. I wish I'd taken up his suggestion earlier, as it would have paid for itself by now, twice over!
Note that there's a £1.50 surcharge for 3D, even on an Unlimited Card. It's certainly not very apparent from the T&Cs but I made a right old fuss about it and they wouldn't back down...
Cheers
Jim
I'm probably going again tonight.
With all the hype etc my girlfriend is genuinely quite excited about seeing it now (after having done a pretty good job of feigning interest for my benefit for the last few months ;)). I think the good word of mouth that she's heard (from people other than me), as well as learning that Cersei Lannister is the baddie (big Game of Thrones fan) has finally got her attention. I think she'll enjoy it a lot - she generally has very good taste in films and things, though I sometimes have to hassle her to get her to give stuff a try.
I almost want to take a notepad and pen later, as the last time I watched it there was loads of stuff that I wanted to discuss with you lot after, but then forgot about.
Can't remember the last time I went to see the same film three times - think it was probably The Phantom Menace, and the last time I went even twice was probably Return of the King almost ten years ago!
Something else I wanted to make note of - love the opening credits. Big, bold red letters. Silence. Then the opening shot of the Cursed Earth. Ace.
I do really want to see it again!
Those big red letters are so ominous, there's something a bit retro about it, stirs up all sorts of feelings you just don't get from films so much anymore.
Similarly, the friend who I took last night didn't go in as a Dredd fan, but loved it because he said it made him feel the way Robocop and Die Hard did as a kid. They just don't make movies like that anymore.
I know it's a violent movie and I certainly wouldn't show it to my kids (if I had any), but I can't help but think it's cool that a young generation might find this movie the same way me and my mates found those movies as kids (things like Running Man, Robocop, Evil Dead etc.). I wouldn't condone it, but it would be very cool to think that maybe there'll be a generation who in 20 years are still talking about DREDD the way we still talk about those films. Could happen.
I haven't read the preceding 30-odd pages of this thread and I apologise if I'm repeating something but I just wanted to say I loved the bit where the corrupt female judge tried to get the drop on Anderson, and Anderson just droppped her without a word (obviously after a quick psi-flash to divine her true intentions). That was just one of countless moments where I thought events could have gone right or wrong, and every time they did it Right with a capital R. No fussing, just tightly plotted, focused film-making if the finest quality!
Anderson was indeed the heart of the film, but when push came to shove she could also be a bad motherdrokker too. Stunning.
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 11 September, 2012, 11:41:10 AM
Anderson was indeed the heart of the film, but when push came to shove she could also be a bad motherdrokker too. Stunning.
And there were some people said that she the weak link in film based on the trailers??? Oh boy, they will be surprised!
QuoteSimilarly, the friend who I took last night didn't go in as a Dredd fan, but loved it because he said it made him feel the way Robocop and Die Hard did as a kid. They just don't make movies like that anymore.
I went to see it with a few guys the other night, and in a group including two Dredd fans (not including me), the guy who seemed to like it most of all was someone who isn't a comics/Dredd fan in the slightest and I wasn't sure would even want to see it in the first place. He absolutely loved it, and was laughing all the way through at the glorious 1980s aura of OTT excess and splatter of it all, which he really responded to as a fan of those types of films. Afterwards he said he'd 'watch it again tomorrow'.
Everyone agreed that they got the level of humour just right - some great Dredd lines that are really funny but just the right side of cheesy. "...Yeah" got a huge laugh.
A couple of other things I noticed:
The Dredd line " Make a difference? To a block like this?", which sounds really weird in the clip currently doing the rounds, has definitely been redubbed in the final film and sounds way better.
The Mama line from the trailer "If we play this right, we can take the whole city", is in the finished film but is said by Caleb and not Mama.
It's nice as
Quote from: Goaty on 11 September, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
... there were some people said that she the weak link in film based on the trailers??? Oh boy, they will be surprised!
it's nice too, that although Anderson is 'pretty-lady-in-peril' at one point: she is 'rescued' not by Dredd but by a combination of Lawgiver-failsafe and her determined, active self, and then she rescues Dredd!
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 01:56:11 PM
A couple of other things I noticed:
The Dredd line " Make a difference? To a block like this?", which sounds really weird in the clip currently doing the rounds, has definitely been redubbed in the final film and sounds way better.
The Mama line from the trailer "If we play this right, we can take the whole city", is in the finished film but is said by Caleb and not Mama.
I don't think the "Make a difference?" line has been re-dubbed, but it just fits better as Dredd was talking like that while he was telling Anderson the rules of the assessment as well. In the clip it just seems out of place.
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 01:56:11 PM
The Dredd line " Make a difference? To a block like this?", which sounds really weird in the clip currently doing the rounds, has definitely been redubbed in the final film and sounds way better.
I believe it's the same audio in both but I don't think it stands-out in the flow of the performance.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 11 September, 2012, 09:54:35 AM
I like Jason Statham, but he is too - for want of a better word - real. I think he'd take me straight out of any scifi and right back into inner London. Even when he was in France in the Transporter, I was in inner London.
I think too crap is the word you're looking for!
Thank Grud he wasn't let anywhere near Dredd!
Oi! - I like Statham! - one of the better action actors out there. Crank is one crazyass movie and he completely committed to that role and sold it.
But no, can't see him in Dredd. He's not the chameleon Urban is - you throw him in any genre and he just sinks in easily. Which reminds me, saw a trailer for Urban's new movie, The Loft, and it looks pretty good.
Also, one of the best things about his Dredd was the way he moved. Predatory and cautious cuz bullets won't bounce off him - fantastic. Or when he stayed still, silent. The saying silence speaks volumes comes to mind, and it really did in his case.
I saw it last night on Tottenham Court road. There was only 7 people in the cinema (including me) but it was a Monday night and there was a million people in town watching the medallists so...
I have avoided this section and all trailers so only saw a couple of photos I couldn't avoid seeing before I went in so pretty much had no preconceptions beforehand and I loved it's bad, violent, funny, grim, beautiful self.
MC-1 looked like how I imagine some parts of America are going to look like in 50 years time. The actors were spot on and it all just felt like the comic.
Daily Mail didn't like it so it must be good.
Quote from: staticgirl on 11 September, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
Daily Mail didn't like it so it must be good.
Clearly, you are my kind of lady. :thumbsup:
QuoteOi! - I like Statham! - one of the better action actors out there.
That says more about the state of the action movie genre than it does about Statham.
I don't understand the appeal at all.
Rather have him than Tom Cruise.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 11 September, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Rather have him than Tom Cruise.
Nah, like Cruise or not, at least he has yer actual screen presence and can act...
Can't believe there are actually intelligent people who like Jason Statham...you will be saying you like Vin Diesel next...
Worse is the pseudo-irony of those who tend to like 'The Stath' (shudder).
At least Vin Diesel has been in some decent films - like Saving Private Ryan and Pitch Black.
I reckon, if they gave him a box to stand on, in the early pre-quartz-massacre scenes of a Rogue Trooper film, that Tom Cruise would make a pretty good 'Gunner': Gunner always seemed a bit cocksure and not that likable: I'm sure Cruise could manage a part like that quite well.
I like Tom Cruise too, and yes, I like Vin Diesel. And The Rock. And I thought Paul Walker was fantastic in Running Scared, don't have any problems with watching him in anything else either - and yes, love the Fast and Furious movies.
Also, love Cagney and Olivier, Jeremy Irons and Cumberbatch, Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood and Peter Falk. Ben Stiller. Daniel Craig.
And just to be perfectly clear, let me say this again - I like Jason Statham.
QuoteGunner always seemed a bit cocksure and not that likable: I'm sure Cruise could manage a part like that quite well.
See, that's one of the things I like about Cruise - he does not shy away from playing pretyy unlikeable characters.
Actually, I'd love to have seen Yul Brynner in something 2000AD.
Westworld has a bit of a 2000AD flavor.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 11 September, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Westworld has a bit of a 2000AD flavor.
Absolutely. Just remembered him doing that and thought he'd probably fit in right well.
Is that out on Bluray? *off to Play.nom*
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 11 September, 2012, 06:52:28 PM
Is that out on Bluray? *off to Play.nom*
No but its a fiver on DVD ,purchased.Dredd's got me in an old school late sixties/seventies SciFi mood.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 11 September, 2012, 05:05:16 PM
Also, one of the best things about his Dredd was the way he moved. Predatory and cautious cuz bullets won't bounce off him - fantastic. Or when he stayed still, silent. The saying silence speaks volumes comes to mind, and it really did in his case.
Yes he does indeed move like some kind of landshark stalking a victim. First he bamboozles them with words until in one swift movement he aims for the attack.
I doubt a Statham or Worthington would be capable of that level of subtlety in their acting.
Yul Brynner was also in The Ultimate Warrior, a low-budget post-apocalyptic thriller about a karate master with a penis that looks exactly like Max Von Sydow.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Ultimatewarrior.jpg)
It's kind of 2000ad-ish in places, especially when characters chop off their own limbs to prove how hard they are.
RE: Jason Statham - I like to grumble and snark as much as the next man, but I still always find the snobbery about action stars not being Lawrence Olivier or whatever quite amusing, if only because it gives me the rare opportunity to be a snob to other snobs. The action movie star's niche is a specialist one, and Statham is one of the more popular international performers right now to the point I would have thought a predominantly English message board would be proud of his being involved in a project close to their hearts. Though to be honest, I think he's too high profile these days to be seriously interested in the low-budget end of things where a Savage adaptation (or whatever) would happen.
There's been a lot of talk about Urban 'channelling' Eastwood: but does anyone else think that Langley Kirkwood's 'Lex' is channeling Gene Hackman?
That last 'wait...' bit really reminds me of him in 'Unforgiven'.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 11 September, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
Yul Brynner was also in The Ultimate Warrior, a low-budget post-apocalyptic thriller about a karate master with a penis that looks exactly like Max Von Sydow...
that's funny...mine looks a bit like Yul (when he wears a polo-neck)...
Quote from: Professah Byah on 11 September, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
RE: Jason Statham - I like to grumble and snark as much as the next man, but I still always find the snobbery about action stars not being Lawrence Oliviuer or whatever quite amusing,
No snobbery about films at all, one of my favourite films is, Sleepaway Camp (1983) :lol:
Personally I love the Crank movies, and Statham definitely can play a type in British films like the Bank Job. But if we're talking about a difficult role like Dredd with no obvious arch, it does take a different kind of actor to pull that off. Urban also has credibility in action roles, but like someone else has said, he can also fit into a variety of parts like a chameleon.
Have you ever heard Statham attempt an American accent? It meanders up and down the east coast, New York one syllable, Miami the next. He may have unintentionally stumbled on the perfect MC1 accent.
Really? I cringe every time Statham does an American accent.. Why they insist on making him do one is beyond me.. What about Tom Hardy for Rouge trooper?
Just got back from viewing number 3. It just gets better and better.
I saw it on one of Vue's 'Xtreme' screens, and it looked STUNNING. I know I've nitpicked a little about the look of the film before, but I'm starting to think that might have been down to seeing it the first time on a very small screen, then seeing it the second time with the screen badly configured (crummy, ineffectual 3D and sound all out of sync).
Seeing it this time it looked SO much better and the presentation was perfect. I could see so much more detail in every frame. The 3D had real definition and crunch, and a solidity I've never experienced before. I actually noticed a really weird effect in the dream/interrogation sequence where it looked like the depth of things was all out of whack - it's quite disorienting.
Girlfriend bloody LOVED it! She was on the edge of her seat the whole way through, and kept nudging me and saying things like 'he's amazing!' referring to Dredd when he did something particularly badass. She now fancies Karl Urban too.
AMAZING film. There aren't many movies I could sit through three times in 11 days - the pacing is so good, so rewatchable. You're never more than 5 minutes away from something awesome happening.
Aaaaargh! Please do well at the box office! I can't take the thought of no sequels!!!
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 11:16:24 PMShe now fancies Karl Urban too.
I love the way you phrased this.
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 11:16:24 PMShe now fancies Karl Urban too.
Noooooooooo! I fancied Karl too, for hetrosexual way
Annoyingly there were only about 40 people in the screening, but they seemed to love the film. A girl sitting a few seats along from me had a massive grin on her face when the lights came up.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 September, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
Really? I cringe every time Statham does an American accent.. Why they insist on making him do one is beyond me.. What about Tom Hardy for Rouge trooper?
Did I dream this once? Wasn't Rutger Hauer loosely attached to a Rogue Trooper project back in the 90's...? Did that ever really happen...?
Hey, I've had a man crush on Urban ever since he did that first interview about Dredd and slated the Stallone version.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
I think the person with a sig of one man penetrating another with his fist has more to be worried about than the man with an actual girlfriend.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 11 September, 2012, 11:38:36 PM
I think the person with a sig of one man penetrating another with his fist has more to be worried about than the man with an actual girlfriend.
Stallone never wore the uniform so he's not actually in it when the fist goes through.
Still ace after three times, also the cinema was nearly full. Some two for one tuesday deal though, but still, lots of people seeing it.
Also noticed some mistakes tonight, how come the Medic comes up behind the bad Judges on the ground floor when the med centre was on level 25.
Also, when Dredd blasts his way out to the skatepark, the massive hole produces a lot of light, would say day light, and then it's night time when they are out side.
Dunno why I am pointing these out, just being a dick really.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 September, 2012, 12:58:20 AM
Also noticed some mistakes tonight, how come the Medic comes up behind the bad Judges on the ground floor when the med centre was on level 25.
Always thought the Med-Centre was on the ground-floor in the Atrium.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 September, 2012, 12:58:20 AM
Also, when Dredd blasts his way out to the skatepark, the massive hole produces a lot of light, would say day light, and then it's night time when they are out side.
Aren't their lights lighting the skate-park? It's bright enough for them to see the kids.
For some reason, one of the parts that really stuck with me was seeing Control in action. Even though it was just a glimpse, I loved seeing there's a whole army of people behind the scenes helping out the street Judges. I think it's the second Control operator, an older man, communicating with Dredd that made me think was he once a street Judge and got injured so this is what he does now? The young girl operator who asks Dredd if he needs back-up at the start. Is she a Judge in training? I loved seeing these concepts brought to life.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 September, 2012, 12:58:20 AM
Also noticed some mistakes tonight, how come the Medic comes up behind the bad Judges on the ground floor when the med centre was on level 25.
Med Lift
Quote from: blackmocco on 12 September, 2012, 03:23:35 AM
For some reason, one of the parts that really stuck with me was seeing Control in action. Even though it was just a glimpse, I loved seeing there's a whole army of people behind the scenes helping out the street Judges.
YEAH! Seemingly minor parts of the film, but they all go towards building the in-story world and making it believable.
Re. Medic.. The bodies, as well as the judges aren't, in the atrium. Also, who's to say the atrium isn't already level 25? We saw where the judges parked, but it wasn't necessarily street level.
The medic is based on level 25, but I don't see this as strange. I assumed he saw the judges coming and went down to meet them.
The skate ramp is well lit, plus all of the lights of the city.
In all the agonising of whether we'll get a sequel or not, it's easy to forget that we ARE getting another Dredd film. It's called Judge Minty, and it looks amazing!
Remember that still of the shot exiting the block?
It looked like it was a fair few floors up.
Quote from: blackmocco on 11 September, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 September, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
Really? I cringe every time Statham does an American accent.. Why they insist on making him do one is beyond me.. What about Tom Hardy for Rouge trooper?
Did I dream this once? Wasn't Rutger Hauer loosely attached to a Rogue Trooper project back in the 90's...? Did that ever really happen...?
You didn't dream it, I remember the rumours that the property had been optioned and he was attached to the proposed movie.
Not sure why it never happened
My girlfriend is now raving about how amazing Dredd is on facebook.
So proud (sniff).
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
My girlfriend is now raving about how amazing Dredd is on facebook.
So proud (sniff).
This is wonderful. My own girlfriend came out of the cinema proclaiming it a 10 out of 10, and she doesn't read the comics and often (in a nice way) takes the rip a little bit. And she does have very good taste in films.
My girlfriend wants to buy me a judges helmet as she thinks I'll look good in it. Hope she means that in a good way.
As mentioned elsewhere, I thought this was mostly excellent; and everybody is gushing about the great bits which I agree with. So here are some of the things I wasn't sure of:
Dredd's excessive use of violence on Kay. Seemed a bit strong for me and I'd have thought if another Judge had done it, Dredd would be bringing them up on a charge. And Anderson should possibly have formally cautioned him about it (as it is, she did stop him, just in a different way). However, John Wagner said he thought the portrayal of Dredd was spot on so I guess that's just something from my head.
MEGA-CITY ONE not "a character". Or not "the character" it is in the comics. Sure we had glimpses of it and the madness that lies out there but I felt it was mostly doom and gloom madness not the quirky madness of the MC-1 from the comics. By keeping the action within Peach Trees (which i fully understand the reasons for), we missed out on getting that essential Mega City madness which is as much a part of the strip for me as Dredd busting heads.
Pacing slightly off - not mine this but a couple of people who have seen it in the office actually felt it dragged slightly in the middle - until the 4 other Judges turned up. It actually worked for me but did any other boarders hear this comment?
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 September, 2012, 01:17:31 PM
Dredd's excessive use of violence on Kay. Seemed a bit strong for me and I'd have thought if another Judge had done it, Dredd would be bringing them up on a charge.
As I've said elsewhere, Dredd's also all about expediency: the realisation that Ma-Ma's seemingly disproportionate response to a single arrest is intended to keep Kay out of the interrogation cells makes extracting that information a priority, whether they can get him to the cubes or not.
QuoteMEGA-CITY ONE not "a character". Or not "the character" it is in the comics. Sure we had glimpses of it and the madness that lies out there but I felt it was mostly doom and gloom madness not the quirky madness of the MC-1 from the comics.
Dredd has always encompassed a wide range of stories and the 'madness' of MC-1 is dialled up or down as the story requires. For this movie, budgetary concerns notwithstanding, the focus
needs to be on Dredd. It has to be
his movie. The beauty of Dredd (the strip) is that he is the rock around which varied stories can accrete, but it's imperative that the audience
gets Dredd if you're going to move forward with a franchise and want to stand a chance of presenting any of those wider elements in future movies.
QuotePacing slightly off - not mine this but a couple of people who have seen it in the office actually felt it dragged slightly in the middle - until the 4 other Judges turned up. It actually worked for me but did any other boarders hear this comment?
Off for me. Drags going into the final act, but, despite having tried hard to avoid spoilers I'd had most of the major plot points and a couple of twists spoiled either here, or by reviewers, so I was waiting for, or expecting, stuff to happen. Going with people who are entirely unspoiled on Saturday, so will report back.
I do wonder about the lack of a full-on action finale and -- with hindsight -- wonder whether the shootout with the judges shouldn't have been moved to
after the Ma-Ma denouement. A relatively minor tweak to the script (the other judges are either running Peach Trees or turning a blind eye for cash) would give them motivation to take out Dredd and Anderson and would make the final confrontation one in which they were more physically challenged.
(I should stress that the above is a quibble, not a major criticism for me.)
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 12 September, 2012, 01:34:48 PM
I do wonder about the lack of a full-on action finale and -- with hindsight -- wonder whether the shootout with the judges shouldn't have been moved to after the Ma-Ma denouement. A relatively minor tweak to the script (the other judges are either running Peach Trees or turning a blind eye for cash) would give them motivation to take out Dredd and Anderson and would make the final confrontation one in which they were more physically challenged.
To me that would've been more
anticlimactic and kind of misses the point of the story as a whole. Dredd defusing the bomb and throwing Ma-Ma to her death is really
the end thematically and narratively anything that would follow that might come off a bit like
the Scouring of the Shire syndrome: we've billed
the baddie, now his another you may have forgotten.
Meh, I don't get the criticism that it drags at all - it's one of the paciest and most finely-tuned films I can think of. Having seen it multiple times now it still absolutely breezes by; there's something cool happening at least every five minutes which really keeps the pace up. Every time it looks like it's going to slow down, something new gets thrown into the mix - be it the chain guns, the bent judges or another dazzling slow motion sequence.
FWIW I thought
The Raid dragged
a lot more in it's quieter moments (and believe me, that film is
not the non-stop action-fest it's been pitched as), simply because it didn't have anywhere near as engaging a story or cast of characters as Dredd.
QuoteOff for me. Drags going into the final act, but, despite having tried hard to avoid spoilers I'd had most of the major plot points and a couple of twists spoiled either here, or by reviewers, so I was waiting for, or expecting, stuff to happen. Going with people who are entirely unspoiled on Saturday, so will report back.
I could tell my girlfriend (who knew absolutely nothing about the film) wasn't loving it right at the start - remember her checking the time on her phone about 15mins in - but as soon as Mama gave the order to lock down the block, that was it - she was gripped to the very end. As for plot twists, she seemed a little confused about the bent judges to start with (why they killed the medic etc), but got it eventually.
I wasn't at all spoiled and for me the emotional climax was the journey of Ma-Ma's descent. It was so intense and beautiful and violent that I felt she was an evil angel going to her hell. It was immense and then there's that pause and Dredd saying: "Yup" and turning away which was like a sledgehammer.
Personally, I thought the pacing was pretty good. Even when they were creeping round the block the different levels felt quite distinct from each other and there was always something quite big happening elsewhere if not immediately with Dredd and Anderson.
I must say I enjoyed the film far more than I expected to. I'd got really bored in the advert/trailer section beforehand and my seat was bloody uncomfortable. I haven't been to the cinemas since Avatar came out. I don't have much to go on but either the artistic expression and use of 3D has really improved since Avatar or Dredd is just really special on a shot by shot frame design level.
My only minor quibble was that 3D glasses are quite dark and I couldn't wear them with my glasses so I couldn't quite see the detail.
I've been in a bit of an excited frame of mind since Monday evening, I can't settle!
By the way the Socialist Worker (http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29529) liked it (albeit with an obligatory reference to Th*tch*r) so it must be good. ;)
To be clear: I felt the pace flag a little. I don't honestly care if others didn't -- in fact, I'm delighted if others didn't, but I'm not the only one who felt it. In my case, I strongly suspect it's because I had so much of the film spoilered by idiot reviewers or people on here who couldn't keep their fucking pie-holes shut on non-spoiler threads, so I honestly can't say whether it is an issue with the film.
Cheers
Jim
Fair enough - I was commenting on it as its a point I've also seen made in a fair few reviews.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 01:54:59 PM
I could tell my girlfriend (who knew absolutely nothing about the film) wasn't loving it right at the start - remember her checking the time on her phone about 15mins in - but as soon as Mama gave the order to lock down the block, that was it - she was gripped to the very end. As for plot twists, she seemed a little confused about the bent judges to start with (why they killed the medic etc), but got it eventually.
You know, that's exactly the reaction my date had. She said it was quite enjoyable at the start, and she was reasonably entertained, but it wasn't until Ma-ma locked down the block where she really sat up and got interested. She got the bit with the medic though.
As for pace, I thought it was finely tuned. I've seen it four times now, and never been bored. I thought the action right up to Ma-Ma was brilliant. As soon as Anderson lets the computer kid go, it's a real kind of 'right, let's get down to business' feel.
Her and Dredd working the corridors, taking out the trash, really felt fluid and exciting. It also completed Anderson's character development - she was at ease with what she was doing, and her and Dredd had 'synched', if you know what I mean. They fell into step like a well oiled machine, all communication non-verbal, and brutally effective. That was a far cry from her stumblings at the start, such as when they busted the Slo-Mo drug den apartment at the start.
So yeah, overall it was perfectly paced, if you ask me.
As far as the pacing, I've actually found that it's flown by quicker with every repeated watch, I've never found it drag personally. Which surprises me, because usually with even the best films I'll be riveted the first time and then start to find things a bit baggy on a second watch.
QuoteHer and Dredd working the corridors, taking out the trash, really felt fluid and exciting. It also completed Anderson's character development - she was at ease with what she was doing, and her and Dredd had 'synched', if you know what I mean. They fell into step like a well oiled machine, all communication non-verbal, and brutally effective. That was a far cry from her stumblings at the start, such as when they busted the Slo-Mo drug den apartment at the start.
Yep, loved that - there's a bit where they're advancing down the corridor and Dredd taps Anderson on the shoulder to signal her to go. It's a really cool moment.
The original script had a scene at the end where Dredd has to give Anderson the kiss of life to resuscitate her, and I'm really glad that didn't make it into the film - would have felt a bit too much I think. I love how they did the same scene, with him tending to her in the elevator.
Something I only picked up on this time was that Dredd clearly knows that Anderson killed that woman's husband - he stares at her in the lift as she tries to come to terms with it. It's a really great moment in the film, and an example of how character is mostly defined by action rather than long monologues or exposition. It feels like a tight script in the best sense - like it has been written and rewritten a dozen times so all the fat has been trimmed away.
QuoteAs far as the pacing, I've actually found that it's flown by quicker with every repeated watch
Yes, I'd agree with that - I also enjoy it more each time too. I was really excited last night because I knew exactly what was coming and couldn't wait to experience the reaction of the audience. I think the first time I saw it - at the fan screening - I was so overwhelmed that the film seemed to wash over me. It's only now that I can really
see it.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 03:16:13 PM
Something I only picked up on this time was that Dredd clearly knows that Anderson killed that woman's husband - he stares at her in the lift as she tries to come to terms with it.
I don't think its as clear-cut that he knows it was the woman's husband but its clear he knows she's having doubts about executions. The elevator scenes work really well.
Silence is golden in the lift? Really great, I thought too.
I loved the first lift one:
"He's thinking about going for your gun."
"Yup."
Also the music was funny as well.
Quote from: radiator on 11 September, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
Just got back from viewing number 3. It just gets better and better.
I saw it on one of Vue's 'Xtreme' screens, and it looked STUNNING...
Hmm. I'm due to see it again in a few days. Was going to go with the Mrs to Empire Leicester Sq (where I saw it on Sat with other forum chaps and picked up a £2 off voucher) but now I'm wondering if I should go to Vue. I reckon I will pay extra for posh seats – so no one hopefully will block my view. Usually the biggest person in the cinema
has to sit in front of me. Mind you, despite sitting in posh seat at Empire I still had a bloke from behind humping the chair to next to me (well, rubbing his knee on it non-stop). Most annoying!
Are all the Vue screens the super-awesome versions or is it only select screens (like IMAX)? I'd like to check it out but the only Vue cinemas in Edinburgh don't have any mention of Xtreme screens or anything fancy.
QuoteHmm. I'm due to see it again in a few days. Was going to go with the Mrs to Empire Leicester Sq (where I saw it on Sat with other forum chaps and picked up a £2 off voucher) but now I'm wondering if I should go to Vue.
It's expensive - almost £16 a ticket on weekdays and £18 on weekends - practically IMAX prices (though probably pretty standard compared to West End), but it
is awesome, and worth it imo. It all looked so much crisper and brighter and I caught so many little details I'd missed before, and as I said the 3d was by far the best I've ever seen. I wouldn't go there for every film, but I'm definitely going to see Looper there.
The seats seemed more sloped than a normal cinema, so getting a good view shouldn't be a problem - it was also quite quiet when I went. To be honest, I could have gone and sat in one of the designated 'luxury' seats if I'd wanted to as they were all empty but I was quite happy where I was.
QuoteAre all the Vue screens the super-awesome versions or is it only select screens (like IMAX)? I'd like to check it out but the only Vue cinemas in Edinburgh don't have any mention of Xtreme screens or anything fancy.
Info here: http://www.myvue.com/upgrades-extras/vue-xtreme (http://www.myvue.com/upgrades-extras/vue-xtreme)
Are the VUE screenings active shutter?
No, just the normal glasses.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 September, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
I loved the first lift one:
"He's thinking about going for your gun."
"Yup."
"He's changed his mind."
"Yup."
:lol:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2012, 04:19:44 PM
Are the VUE screenings active shutter?
Are there cinemas that offer active shutter?!? I had no idea! That would be incredibly cool - I have active shutter on my nVidia 3D Vision, and the difference it makes to stereoscopic vision is incredible. It's quite frankly the best 3D I've ever seen.
I'd love to see Dredd in active shutter! I must check out if the eventual 3D Blu-Ray release will work with nVidia 3D drivers.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 12 September, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
Are there cinemas that offer active shutter?!?
The London SOHO screening was
active shutter.
Cheers radiator, doesn't look like I'd be able to get to any of those screenings sadly. A shame, my one disappointment is that I'll never get to see it in IMAX and from the sounds of it this is IMAX pretty much in all but name.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2012, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 12 September, 2012, 04:40:34 PM
Are there cinemas that offer active shutter?!?
The London SOHO screening was active shutter.
That explains a lot! Why the glasses were so heavy, for one thing, and why the 3D hasn't seemed as good in subsequent screenings in Cineworld!
Well, you live and learn! :D
Quote from: staticgirl on 12 September, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
By the way the Socialist Worker (http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29529) liked it (albeit with an obligatory reference to Th*tch*r) so it must be good. ;)
:lol: aww, bless the SW. They could get Thatcher into a story about a box of fluffy kittens.
I don't know about the technical aspects but VUE tend to have a really clean picture and it is always takes in the FULL widescreen unlike some other chains.
I like em anyway,plus the have Ben n Jerrys at the counter,hmmm chocolate macadamia....
Thanks for the info Radiator. Not sure whether to stick to Empire or try VUE Islington.
I'm confused over 3D.
At the Empire I asked if I could use my own pair of 'realD 3D' glasses and was told no as Empire has a better system. The glasses cost about £20 so they are handed out then collected (not active shutter).
I thought the 3D was excellent – in places astounding (even though the glasses were a bit scuffed). Not cardboard cut out so-called 3D as in Avengers.
The VUE website says DREDD is in 'realD 3D' so I wonder if this is the inferior system (according to the guy at Empire).
I notice Dredd promo graphic says 'In 3D and real 3D'.
Wonder if anyone could shed light on this.
The RealD specs are only 80p a pop and you just bin them for recycling, so sounds like you did see it in a superior format. RealD is generally very poor I've found (although Dredd is definitely the best I've seen it).
I took my wife to see it last night (my second time); she's not a comic reader, her only exposure to Dredd as a character is me banging on about him and the prog all the time so I was interested in hearing her opinion.
Well, she actually fell asleep at one point so I gave her a nudge. This was just before Dredd entered the slo-mo factory, and she must have nodded off in the 10 seconds since I woke her 'cos as he shot the two guards she actually jumped out of her seat and yelped!
She says she thought it was good, thought the slo-mo effects were good and the violence, which I thought would be the biggest obstacle to her enjoyment, wasn't that bad. The 3 skinned bodies hitting the floor was pretty gross, but the slo-mo gunshots and stuff she thought were very abstract and you were able to prepare for it.
She missed the end (asleep again). The biggest complain she had was 'there was no joy in it'.
Women.
Just got back from seeing Dredd for the first time!
There is not much I can add to what has already been said on the forum but needless to say I loved it and Karl Urban was fantastic.
I also adored the music which fitted seamlessly into the movie.
A great great movie and I hope it is a huge box office hit in the U.S as I want that sequel!!!
I like the expediency bit - tend to forget about that.
And I appreciate the point about the city too. Strangely, James' wife has connected the dots for me. There seemed to be no "joy" in the city. Would have been nice to see hints of it even though focusing on DREDD. (It's a niggle I have with the Daniel Craig Bond's as well; for God's sake, let the boy have some fun!)
I took the 'no joy in the city' to reflect the state that it is in - big conflict (hence Cursed Earth), major struggle to survive, over crowding, unemployment, danger everywhere and a Judge system barely keeping the lid on things. As technology (derived from necessity) develops so will the opportunity for it to turn in to the Meg that can support more 'fun' aspects.
Yep, a dad heading eggs into a bucket while his son carried a surfboard towards the window of their high-rise apartment would have helped!
SBT
Dredd's still good third time round.. Herself enjoyed it too (despite her finding it slow in places.. And having a giggle at bad wigs. I had no idea, personally..), and enjoyed seeing her name in the credits for once too. The co-worker I practically frog marched to the cinema enjoyed it too, being really impressed with the exteriors.. Saw Joe Soap along with his avatar properly.. Herself missed my shout out.. Oh well.. She did say she wants to go see it again (though I think she might find it easier 2D. 3D gives her headaches), which is a result. Off to see it again with Shaolin Monkey next week some time.. Gotta pay for that Lawgiver dummy I nicked somehow..
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 12 September, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
To be clear: I felt the pace flag a little. I don't honestly care if others didn't -- in fact, I'm delighted if others didn't, but I'm not the only one who felt it. In my case, I strongly suspect it's because I had so much of the film spoilered by idiot reviewers or people on here who couldn't keep their fucking pie-holes shut on non-spoiler threads, so I honestly can't say whether it is an issue with the film.
I avoided any and every thread and didn't have anything spoiled for me, but still thought it meandered around the middle, particularly just before the drug lab/judges sequence.
I had niggles (like Dredd needing to make a super-precise shot and then deciding the best way forward was to set a dude's head on fire) but otherwise it was no more flabby than your typical western action film, which have a long tradition of meandering or action-free middle sections, likely where it's safe to go buy popcorn, have a wee (smoke), or if watching at home to go put the kettle on.
Anyone else finding it a bit weird, all the nonscrots talking about Dredd and saying 'I am the law!' on Twitter.
It's weird, but pretty cool.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 September, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
And having a giggle at bad wigs. I had no idea, personally
Who was wearing a wig?
When the gang members think they have Dredd trapped in the access terminal just after he's done his tannoy announcement, the leader is wearing a very noticable wig and generally looks a bit fruity - like a gang member from The Warriors.
I chuckle at him every time i see the film, but always forget about him until the next time. My girlfriend laughed at that bit too.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 September, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
Who was wearing a wig?
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 11:27:01 PM
When the gang members think they have Dredd trapped in the access terminal just after he's done his tannoy announcement, the leader is wearing a very noticable wig and generally looks a bit fruity - like a gang member from The Warriors.
That guy.. I immediately thought 'Milli Vanilli', personally..
Heh.. Fruity..
Ha, never noticed, but he did seem quite weird anyway. "Hey Judge, wha dun ya com out fram that der door? Or wall shat ya falla howes!" Or something along those lines.
It would have been funny if you got to see it shot off his head.
Caught Dredd for the 2nd time, last night.
Though my plan of adding to the films coffers, by getting a groups of my mates, who werent going to go, to go, was scuppered slightly, by one of them having two!! two-for-one vouchers, which we indeed used. Sorry, Alex, ;)
And as much as i enjoyed Dredd the first time round, i REALLY enjoyed the film this time round. Was great, to sit back and look out for, and take more notice of all the little details.
Caught the Joe Soap nod, this time round, and the Goaty graffiti again (which no-one else seems to have caught? so i may be wrong on this, but it appears graffitied onto a wall, just after Dredd leaves Anderson looking after Kay). And caught a few more references as well - city blocks, etc.
Plenty of nice little scenes stuck out again, Dredd walking towards the crashed van at the beginning. All menace and 'thunk thunk thunk' footbootsteps, the view of city - throughout the film, Anderson looking troubled/conflicted in the lift after finding out she'd killed that womens husband and then the camera panning across to a stoic-looking Dredd. Many more as well, but as ever, my sieve like memory, needs to catch this on Blu-ray!
Once again all the central performances are just spot-on, Urban just is Dredd, simply put, a brilliant performance, that nails it totally. Thirlby does an excellant job as Anderson, and really loved Headey's MaMa. A nicely subtle portrayal of an almost sympathetic villian who is, in many ways, already dead, and is just waiting (hoping?) for the end to come properly.
Was able to concentrate more on the excellant soundtrack this time round. Brilliant stuff, and really added to the overall. Thought the Slo-Mo 3D scenes were fantastic (again), though the 3D doesnt really add a lot to the rest of the film. So yes, really enjoyed this second showing. Happy chappy, thats me.
And a resounding thumbs-up for Dredd from the group i went with, as well. The biggest quibble mentioned, was how Dredd managed to carry on after being shot, but they seemed happy with my explanation that its 'special future medicine' that allowed him to do that, ;)
Please, please, please let there be sequels!
Quote from: Judge Jack on 12 September, 2012, 11:36:22 PM
The biggest quibble mentioned, was how Dredd managed to carry on after being shot, but they seemed happy with my explanation that its 'special future medicine' that allowed him to do that, ;)
Please, please, please let there be sequels!
just a flesh wound
They certainly missed a trick not putting a pythonesque 'tis but a scatch' line in there ;) :D
scratch!-Damn missing edit function.
I prefer 'scatch'.
Just watched the film last night - not much more to be said than has been said already, but it was very cool indeed. Karl Urban has totally cracked the Dredd persona - roll on more people reading 2000ad, and some sequels!
My girlfriend (Grud bless her) loved the bit where JD got shot. She said afterward that he was so tightly wound that for his only reaction to be that long, low exhale while slumping slowly down the wall was just spot on. She didn't have a problem with him patching himself up and carrying on either, because she just got how friggin' hard Dredd is (and again, she doesn't read the comic)
Yeah and I love his expression when you get that close up of his face while he patches himself up. You can tell how painful it is, but he controls it.
Quote from: James on 12 September, 2012, 09:25:06 PM
The biggest complain she had was 'there was no joy in it'.
Women.
But there was, and my date commented on it! There were the kids on the skate ramp, who were clearly having a blast, chilling out with the girls watching and cheering them on. She really liked the fact the kids were still finding fun, despite their grim surroundings.
Quick question about the techies eyes, did Ma Ma gouge out his original peepers and replace them with bionics or something?
Watched it twice now and still can't quite work it out.
Thats what I thought.
she's shown twice gouging his eyes out with her thumbs isnt she?
Quote from: Pioneer on 13 September, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
Quick question about the techies eyes, did Ma Ma gouge out his original peepers and replace them with bionics or something?
Watched it twice now and still can't quite work it out.
.
That's the way I understood it - didn't realise it was the same guy the first time it was shown, but when Anderson read his mind that did seem to be very much the case.
Quote from: Pioneer on 13 September, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
Quick question about the techies eyes, did Ma Ma gouge out his original peepers and replace them with bionics or something?
Watched it twice now and still can't quite work it out.
Yes..
And the purpose was he could do the techie shizzle better? (for want of a better term, I'm busy!)
Quote from: Pioneer on 13 September, 2012, 12:02:44 PM
And the purpose was he could do the techie shizzle better? (for want of a better term, I'm busy!)
Aaaand yes.. Or it's the standard replacement for anyone who can afford them (most likely done by Ma-Ma clan on the cheap, hence the red inflammation..)
Quote from: Pioneer on 13 September, 2012, 12:02:44 PM
And the purpose was he could do the techie shizzle better? (for want of a better term, I'm busy!)
Suppose so, yeah, though I don't think it was explained in detail. He was very much Ma Ma's bitch though, and seemed to have been bullied into the role of criminal techmaster.
Cool thanks for answering my question! Looking forward to my 3rd viewing Tuesday....
Oops, just realised it was Michael who answered, rather than just a speculating fan like me. Looks like I was right though ;)
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 12:15:18 PM
Oops, just realised it was Michael who answered, rather than just a speculating fan like me. Looks like I was right though ;)
Mate, it's so far back half of the shit I say borders on speculation anyway ;)
Ma-Ma likes torture. Would've been interesting if she held a trigger switch that could turn the clan-techie's eyes on and off so he was completely dependent on her.
Off to see it tonight again!
Got my 4th viewing lined up for saturday, that'll be my last until the DVD comes out I think, done my part. :D
Quote from: Pioneer on 13 September, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
Quick question about the techies eyes, did Ma Ma gouge out his original peepers and replace them with bionics or something?
Watched it twice now and still can't quite work it out.
You see no pun intended mama gouge out the poor lads eyes and yes he has bionic eyes as for how he got them who no`s maybe mama could of helped him out with a set of bionic eyes because she realised he would be an asset to her with him being a computer whizz :thumbsup:
Ma-Ma likes torture. Would've been interesting if she held a trigger switch that could turn the clan-techie's eyes on and off so he was completely dependent on her.
Yeah mos def! Would've been (even more so) ultra harrowing for the poor bastich! Good bit of armchair screenwriting there Soap ;)
But Ma-Ma with the knife... that was sooo great scene!
Quote from: Goaty on 13 September, 2012, 02:55:43 PM
But Ma-Ma with the knife... that was sooo great scene!
I thought she was going to cut him for sure when you 1st see her press the blade to his stomach i was squirming in my seat :)
Her staring at the screen with her chin on his shoulder in that scene looked like it was straight out of a comic panel.
Question for everyone. Did Dredd actually say "Negotiation's over"? I remember seeing the bit where he did in the trailer but in the film we just got "This isn't a negotiation" in the confrontation with Ma-Ma. I was waiting for it, but it didn't seem to be there. Has my siggy been rendered redundant? :-\
I think he said negotiation's over to the punk holding the waitress hostage - before hotshotting him.
(http://i.imgur.com/zR3G4.jpg)
Yeah there were lot's of bits from the trailer where it turned out they were just using audio from different bits in the film.
Like in the trailer, Dredd is looking at Anderson and says "JUDGEMENT TIME!" but actually he says this on the com to Ma-Ma. I actually thought he was gonna say it again when I first saw it.
Went to see it again today, this time on a bigger screen with better sound. Bit of an easter-egg hunt really*. Nice to see they sort of re-used this classic line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUf4PQ-vuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUf4PQ-vuU)
Just wondering though, why did Dredd give Ma Ma a hit of slo-mo as he was killing her? Was it sheer sadistic bastardry or was it something to do with the heart-beat trigger?
*Fuck me. Just realised why they call them Easter eggs.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
Just wondering though, why did Dredd give Ma Ma a hit of slo-mo as he was killing her? Was it sheer sadistic bastardry or was it something to do with the heart-beat trigger?
Yep I bold it for you.
That IS Dredd, don't you know?
Quote from: Goaty on 13 September, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
Just wondering though, why did Dredd give Ma Ma a hit of slo-mo as he was killing her? Was it sheer sadistic bastardry or was it something to do with the heart-beat trigger?
Yep I bold it for you.
That IS Dredd, don't you know?
Fair enough :D
I don't think it was, Goaty. Personally I've never seen Dredd as a sadist or someone who would torture a criminal just to cause them pain or make them pay. I prefer to think that it was to slow down her heart beat so as to give time for the trigger to get out of distance.
Also, technically speaking, he would have committed a crime if he did it just to punish her. Use of slo-mo is illegal and therefore he'd be accessory to a crime. Considering the extreme circumstances, it was his only course of action to ensure safety against the bomb going off :D
QuoteI prefer to think that it was to slow down her heart beat so as to give time for the trigger to get out of distance.
That's kind of what I was hoping; so the shock wouldn't give her a heart attack or summit like that. Dredd as I see him only commits violence for practical reasons.
Also noticed this time that the 2000AD Forum was thanked in the credits. You're welcome, Alex, it's our pleasure!
Dredd does have a reputation for the punishment fitting the crime
he also stuck sabbats head on lodestone for an eternity of torment
JUST SAW IT. AH. AMAZING.
Best line: (after massacre in the food court) Cleaning robot: "The food court will re-open in 30 minutes"
Quotehe also stuck sabbats head on lodestone for an eternity of torment
Garth Ennis Dredd doesn't count!
I had a problem with Dredd administering an illegal drug, but then you see that Ma-Ma chooses to inhale.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 September, 2012, 09:15:47 PM
Quotehe also stuck sabbats head on lodestone for an eternity of torment
Garth Ennis Dredd doesn't count!
This must have been during my wilderness period during my roaring 20's and hungover early 30's but I've seen similar posts before and also concerning a Mr Millar*.I've more or less caught to where I left off so all new case files etc are fresh.Question is,is there something I need to know,you're making me nervous? :)
Just back from seeing it again.
Bloody better the second time.
Couple of bits I didn't notice the first time:
Anderson shooting the face off the perp at point-blank range with the SMG.
And the great beat when Anderson says "Let's finish this," and Dredd hangs back for a couple of seconds, you can almost see him thinking 'Yup, she's a pass.'
Not many in the cinema, but everyone there was responding brilliantly to it.
Quoteis there something I need to know,you're making me nervous?
Nah, just Dredd got a bit shit for a while in the 90s when other writers took over. Two of the highest profile comic writers in the world today, who would have thought it?
Actually getting back to the film; about Dredd staring at Anderson in the lift after she realises she's shot Kathy's husband - I think he must have realised
something was up.
Fair enough,ups and downs.All comics have em.
Just seen it again in 2D...
I am absolutely gobsmaked how good this movie is...Let me tell you I am a harsh critic and I LOVED it......
The interaction between Anderson and Dredd is spot on with Anderson coming to the front of the assault on Ma-Ma by the end....
The way they move through the blocks..
The Judges outfits....
I could go on and on but it really has surpassed my highest expectations...
What's weird is that it has an almost slow burn addiction to it...I could not wait to see it again....Just WOW... :o
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 September, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
Anderson shooting the face off the perp at point-blank range with the SMG.
Actually I think you'll find the face was all that was left..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 September, 2012, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 September, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
Anderson shooting the face off the perp at point-blank range with the SMG.
Actually I think you'll find the face was all that was left..
Point.
Oh...And I noticed that there is a Judge helmet on the back wall of Ma-Ma's apartment with a chain hanging down of it (reminded me of the alien skull from Predator 2 for some reason)....
'Tis a shame my screen was pretty much empty :(
Quote from: nicklambo on 14 September, 2012, 06:53:14 AM
Oh...And I noticed that there is a Judge helmet on the back wall of Ma-Ma's apartment with a chain hanging down of it (reminded me of the alien skull from Predator 2 for some reason)....
I thought that was the judges spine.
My question is: did willthemightyw wear false mustache to gain entry, or did they just not bother to ask?
SBT
Screening was very empty last night - about five people in central Bristol Odeon :(
The box office was still grand wurntit and the Odeon staff were incredibly enthusiastic - we got there too early and they were like "STICK AROUND IT'S A GENUINELY AMAZING FILM".
I was wearing my McMahon Dredd shirt though, so I don't think they could've possibly been worried that I wouldn't come back.
IT WAS A GENUINELY AMAZING film. All round, I felt utterly rewarded - my friend who saw it with me, a lapsed 2000ad reader, was in shock for the whole thing. Well, so was I really. Uncanny. Amazing. I SAW KENNY WHO graffiti and the Krysler reference and I nearly shat. The 3D was mesmerising and fully worth it, especially the end bit. With the falling.
No real bad parts really, it was a straight-up honest-as-balls ... well, actually you don't need me to tell you that. In fact, this is the wrong place for my enthusiasm entirely, I doubt anyone will be convinced to go by my brief review here! I will shout its praises into every face I see from now on though.
When John & Carlos's names came BURSTING out of the screen at the end I literally exclaimed. I feel completely elated
and I CANNOT WAIT
FOR THE DVD. And the inevitable Burdis commentary track.
Yeah, 3D was great wasn't it, CFM. Quite surprised others haven't been raving about it. In the past I thought it was a gimmick but not on DREDD.
Hoping to see it again this eve and I can't wait.
Glad to see that You liked it SuperSurfer. Its viewing 3 for me tomorrow, this time on Xtreme screen!
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 14 September, 2012, 08:57:40 AMFOR THE DVD. And the inevitable Burdis commentary track.
I am so gonna do one of those :D
Fake moustache? Yes. Handlebar.
3D? First film where I felt not only did it not get in the way of the film, but it was also amazing in itself!
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 14 September, 2012, 08:59:29 PM
Glad to see that You liked it SuperSurfer. Its viewing 3 for me tomorrow, this time on Xtreme screen!
Let me know what you think. Personally I found it to be a world o difference. Perhaps it says something about my poor eyesight, but I noticed loads I little details thanks to the bigger screen, such as the shimmery heat haze in the opening shot of the city.
Quote from: willthemightyW on 14 September, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
Fake moustache? Yes. Handlebar.
3D? First film where I felt not only did it not get in the way of the film, but it was also amazing in itself!
Honestly: I've seen it 3 times in 3 different settings and I imagine that much of the 3d related-irritation, that people report, has a lot to do with the type of 3d and the cinema they're in: it was best quality in Soho with the heavier-battery-operated glasses, it was still pretty good in another cinema in Real 3d, and a murky headache-causing mess(that really did 'get in the way') in the same cinema at a different screen... I strongly suspect people aren't calibrating their equipment properly and that because most people (more sane people) dont bother watching a 3d film 3 times in 3 different places close together,- they dont realise what's really going on and so the blame keeps landing, not where it should, on the cinema, but on 3d itself.
Quote from: darnmarr on 14 September, 2012, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: willthemightyW on 14 September, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
Fake moustache? Yes. Handlebar.
3D? First film where I felt not only did it not get in the way of the film, but it was also amazing in itself!
Honestly: I've seen it 3 times in 3 different settings and I imagine that much of the 3d related-irritation, that people report, has a lot to do with the type of 3d and the cinema they're in: it was best quality in Soho with the heavier-battery-operated glasses, it was still pretty good in another cinema in Real 3d, and a murky headache-causing mess(that really did 'get in the way') in the same cinema at a different screen... I strongly suspect people aren't calibrating their equipment properly and that because most people (more sane people) dont bother watching a 3d film 3 times in 3 different places close together,- they dont realise what's really going on and so the blame keeps landing, not where it should, on the cinema, but on 3d itself.
Being a very frequent cinema goer to films both 2D and 3D I've said the same myself in this forum in the not too distant past and been mercilessly flamed for doing so... so good luck!
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 14 September, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
Being a very frequent cinema goer to films both 2D and 3D I've said the same myself in this forum in the not too distant past and been mercilessly flamed for doing so... so good luck!
Really? This place has never seemed very flamey, and I'm rather shocked that you had that reaction. But I've been avoiding the movie threads for months pre-release, so I probably missd the whole thang (DAMMIT - IF I'D KNOWN, I COULD'VE BEEN GRAFFITI!)
From the wildly varying opinions and "facts" that I see every day on the internet, it seems pretty obvious that the 3D experience varies a great deal from place to pLace or film to film.But everybody's got an OPINION on 3d, that must be hammered onto whatever movie they are reviewing I guess.
Empire Screen 1 was stunning. The opening shot reminded my of that 'Soaring' ride in Disney, you were right in the screen. Also one of the blood shots actually had droplets just to the right of me, as they burst out of the screen. That was pretty effective!
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 14 September, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
Being a very frequent cinema goer to films both 2D and 3D I've said the same myself in this forum in the not too distant past and been mercilessly flamed for doing so... so good luck!
I reckon, that what with plentymany folk on these boards having seen the same 3dfilm in more than one location... you may find many new converts to your point of veiw.
Really liked the 3D in Dredd, worked really well in the places it needed to (the slo-mo scenes etc), but a lot of the time, i didnt really notice a lot of difference.
Thought the 3D trailer to the Hobbit, shown beforehand, looked stunning, though i guess theyve got mega millions at their disposal.
Just got back from second viewing, this time with my wife. Went to Vue Islington hoping to see it on the Xtreme screen but is only showing on standard. Shame.
My wife loved the film. Soon as it finished she was beaming and said "It's a brilliant film" and "perfect casting". She wants to get the music.
That film is a bloody work of art. Sure it's an action movie but in places it is like an art house movie. The visuals are stunning.
I would say it was about 70% full (19.10 viewing).
Compared to Empire: I think 3D a touch more effective at Empire but colours cleaner at Vue. Bit of ghosting at Vue in places.
I pointed out to my wife Karl Urban's delivery of "I am the law" compared to Sly's and she agreed Urban's was spot on. 'We' agreed that was it for her taking the michael saying that line in a Sly accent and that we close that chapter.
I do feel it's a shame we don't have a high profile figure to root for the film such as Jonathon Ross.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 15 September, 2012, 01:27:12 AM
I do feel it's a shame we don't have a high profile figure to root for the film such as Jonathon Ross.
It's succeeding without them which soothes my peed off soul somewhat.
As good as Dredd is, I must be honest, the 3D did fuck all for me.
Granted the Ma-Ma out the window was good, and the slo-mo, but they would have been equally as stunning in normal vision.
I don't mind 3D, and I don't mind paying extra for a film like Dredd, but I still just don't really see it.
Depth in the long corridor shuts
I am starting to think the Cineworld screens aren't calibrated right or something. I mean, watching a 3D film there I notice a bit of a depth-of-field effect going on, but nothing like what people are describing on here. Apart from IMAX films I've never had the illusion that anything was actually leaving the screen, and even then I've only experienced that at the Science Centre, the Odeon IMAX was again just a bit of extra depth.
That leads me to believe that I'm not someone who just can't see 3D, but that the screens I'm going to are just set up badly. Weird, I would have thought Cineworld being such a big chain would know what they were doing.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 September, 2012, 07:12:19 AM
That leads me to believe that I'm not someone who just can't see 3D, but that the screens I'm going to are just set up badly. Weird, I would have thought Cineworld being such a big chain would know what they were doing.
Saw it at Cineworld Nottingham and the bath and window shattering both had 3D effects that looked like they were within arm's reach. The latter, particularly, felt like they were practically at the end of your nose.
Cheers
Jim
That's what i was hoping for, Jim. I love 3D- being one of those simple souls for whom a severed arm flying straight out of the screen at me is enough to add a couple of stars to my rating. The two screens ive seen Dredd on didnt have any of that- there's a couple of stand-out shots that have incredible depth (the opening city shot, a corridor in Peach Trees, and Anderson pushing Ma Ma's entry coder) but the explosions of glass and wotnot never once came out of the screen. It pains me that this could be down to individual experiences and individual technologies. It was bad enough when people had to worry about their vision and the effect problems with sight has on the experience, but now they have the concern that literally each and every screening may be different.
It also means that 3D film makers may check the finished product on their own screen before signing it off, never knowing 50% of the public will never see it as they intended, and wondering why all the reviews were bad.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 15 September, 2012, 08:27:44 AMIt pains me that this could be down to individual experiences and individual technologies.
To be fair though, it was ever thus with cinema. I'm one of those who doesn't particularly mourn the rise of digital projection, having had a significant number of films ruined over the course of my entire cinema-going recollection by
really lousy prints. Yes, digital
is colder than traditional film, but if that's the price of never having to sit through an almost unwatchable print that looks like it's been unspooled and kicked around the projection room floor a couple of times, so be it.
That said, I'm off for a second viewing this afternoon, and I'm quite nervous that we just got lucky with the 3D on the first showing!
Cheers
Jim
For some reason stupid here thought that he clocked a bit of a cock up in DREDD were after being shot dredd patch`s himself up and then stands up were i thought i didnt see the bullet hole in the front of his armour or so i thought but after seeing the film for a second time the bullet hole is indeed there i only bring this up because i posted about it thinking i spotted said cock up but i my friends cocked up haha :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 September, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 14 September, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
Being a very frequent cinema goer to films both 2D and 3D I've said the same myself in this forum in the not too distant past and been mercilessly flamed for doing so... so good luck!
Really? This place has never seemed very flamey, and I'm rather shocked that you had that reaction. But I've been avoiding the movie threads for months pre-release, so I probably missd the whole thang (DAMMIT - IF I'D KNOWN, I COULD'VE BEEN GRAFFITI!)
From the wildly varying opinions and "facts" that I see every day on the internet, it seems pretty obvious that the 3D experience varies a great deal from place to pLace or film to film.But everybody's got an OPINION on 3d, that must be hammered onto whatever movie they are reviewing I guess.
Eh, I'm not complaining. These boards are one of the friendlier corners of t'internet but it's still t'internet.
If you quite like gory and violent movies then I don't think you realise how gory and violent DREDD is until you watch it with someone who doesn't.
Mrs Tips really didn't like it. Appreciated the simple set up, the three central performances especially urban but really didn't like the overall tone. She found little or no fun in it and thought Megacity 1 especially grim. Left her feeling like 'THE ROAD' and noted that even 'BOY WITH STRIPED PYJAMAS'had her leaving the cinema in a better mood. It actually ended up with me having to defend the comic as she thought it all so dour, grim and statistically violent. Did we really need to see the skinning so many times or at all?
I did feel a tad upset myself. I mentioned before that I felt MC1 was totally wrong in character. And also that I'd have loved a family friendly DREDD. I know why they've approached it this way thouGHOST.
Yeh I have to admit, i was surprised when i didn't find it too bad after all the 'most violent film I've ever seen' tweets, also on exiting the first screening I went to, two of my mates talking about how violent it was...me? densensitized?...never!
To be honest though while there are some pretty violent moments (one in particular that shocked me) I think it's quite measured throughout the film and not needless splatter every five seconds and i certainly think most of it's not done just for shock value.
I was waiting for a 95 minute sequence of blood, entrails, viscera splattering everywhere. Yes there are some violent scenes but I think some of the reviews have made it sound almost scarily violent...seen much worse to be honest.
Very violent?
Just to check, it's not torture porn bad is it? as i really ought to leave the wife behind if it is, she won't like that.
Yeah it really wasn't all that violent - I'm not especially desensitized, I don't go near torture porn - the only bit that really made me wince was the final big splat (THIS IS THE SPOILER THREAD ISN'T IT) - but aside from that and maybe the odd-looking throat cave-in which is one of those effects where you just think "would it look like that? I suppose it would" that it loses a bit of shock.
As for 3D - the depth on the corridors wasn't working particular well for me, but ma-ma in the bath and the final glass shatter were actually the first time I've seen 3D where it's actually like it's supposed to look in the adverts, coming out of the screen at ye.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 15 September, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
Very violent?
Just to check, it's not torture porn bad is it? as i really ought to leave the wife behind if it is, she won't like that.
If you have seen the 'Red Band Clip' that was released a while ago you're not really going to see anything worse than that in the movie.
It's on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lMmRe6Z44
ah that's OK then. If that's the worst then i reckon it will be fine.
It's the torture for the sake of fun stuff that she hates.
There are some torture bits, but they're very brief flashes and not played for laughs.
Mrs Tips really doesn't like gore or horror* - won't go near a zombie film - so unless your missus is like that, you should be ok.
It's still all pretty grim and unless despite some good black humour and wry underplayed banter.
* insert your own joke that mocks me and my reproductive organs.
should be ok i reckon.
she's not keen on Zombie stuff either but she'll watch Shaun of the Dead and 28 Days Later so not too bad.
Just back from round 4, the missus loved it and was cackling away at the 2nd hi-ex moment (she's definitely a keeper) and my non-comic-book-friendly work colleague declared it "fucking awesome" and says he'll go and see it again. He said the moment when Dredd turfs Kay and walks back into the smoke was the most badass thing he's ever witnessed.
Very reassuringly too, Cineworld have moved it to a smaller screen (understandable as this week's big movie will be using that one now) but kept the same amount of screenings, and this was the busiest showing I've been to.
In fact, 90% of the time when I go to the movies I pick the morning showing, and this was possibly the busiest I've seen the cinema at 11am. Last movie I did it with was The Bourne Legacy the Saturday morning of its opening weekend and there were about 5 people in, this morning there were about 50, all getting right into it.
There was also a pretty clear example of the word of mouth in action: On the way out I bumped into a guy who was heading in to see it because the guy I dragged along on Monday works with him and had been banging on about it all week. It's the circle of buzz!!!
I didn't find it particularly violent, I think I must be desensitised. Sure it was a bit gross, and the guy who gets shot through the cheek in the red band trailer, you can actually see his teeth through his cheek with the exit wound.
It was extremely violent as action movies go. I've seen far more violent 'splatter' movies but that genre is pretty much dead these days. Generally speaking, movies these days are tame compared to video games, so we've all become pretty desensitised to the level of violence seen in movies.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 September, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Just back from round 4, the missus loved it and was cackling away at the 2nd hi-ex moment (she's definitely a keeper) and my non-comic-book-friendly work colleague declared it "fucking awesome" and says he'll go and see it again. He said the moment when Dredd turfs Kay and walks back into the smoke was the most badass thing he's ever witnessed.
Very reassuringly too, Cineworld have moved it to a smaller screen (understandable as this week's big movie will be using that one now) but kept the same amount of screenings, and this was the busiest showing I've been to.
In fact, 90% of the time when I go to the movies I pick the morning showing, and this was possibly the busiest I've seen the cinema at 11am. Last movie I did it with was The Bourne Legacy the Saturday morning of its opening weekend and there were about 5 people in, this morning there were about 50, all getting right into it.
There was also a pretty clear example of the word of mouth in action: On the way out I bumped into a guy who was heading in to see it because the guy I dragged along on Monday works with him and had been banging on about it all week. It's the circle of buzz!!!
You're doing sterling work Keef (seen it 5 times so far myself). It was Caleb not Kay he turfs out, and it was one of the best moments in the film for me too.
Black Hawk Down is a 15 and that's more violent,in fact I would say it's the swearing and drug use that tipped it over the edge.People enjoying drugs is a big no-no to the powers that be.
Or shots of 3 skinned-bodies hitting the ground.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 September, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
Or shots of 3 skinned-bodies hitting the ground.
:lol:That would be my bet
Or Ma-Ma's face, twice!
Maybe.
I thought it was more the flashback to the skinning that probably did it.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 15 September, 2012, 03:23:31 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 15 September, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Just back from round 4, the missus loved it and was cackling away at the 2nd hi-ex moment (she's definitely a keeper) and my non-comic-book-friendly work colleague declared it "fucking awesome" and says he'll go and see it again. He said the moment when Dredd turfs Kay and walks back into the smoke was the most badass thing he's ever witnessed.
Very reassuringly too, Cineworld have moved it to a smaller screen (understandable as this week's big movie will be using that one now) but kept the same amount of screenings, and this was the busiest showing I've been to.
In fact, 90% of the time when I go to the movies I pick the morning showing, and this was possibly the busiest I've seen the cinema at 11am. Last movie I did it with was The Bourne Legacy the Saturday morning of its opening weekend and there were about 5 people in, this morning there were about 50, all getting right into it.
There was also a pretty clear example of the word of mouth in action: On the way out I bumped into a guy who was heading in to see it because the guy I dragged along on Monday works with him and had been banging on about it all week. It's the circle of buzz!!!
You're doing sterling work Keef (seen it 5 times so far myself). It was Caleb not Kay he turfs out, and it was one of the best moments in the film for me too.
Ah, so it is! Kay's name seems to have taken root more due to his name popping up on the soundtrack!
Urban's delivery of the line "Drug bust" got a big laugh today, seems funnier every time I see it.
To celebrate passing his driving test, my son drove two of his mates to the cinema this afternoon to see Dredd. All three have come back absolutely buzzing, saying its the best movie ever! I am a proud Daddy today!
Quote from: Pete Wells on 15 September, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
To celebrate passing his driving test, my son drove two of his mates to the cinema this afternoon to see Dredd. All three have come back absolutely buzzing, saying its the best movie ever! I am a proud Daddy today!
Now
THAT'S what parenting is all about.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 15 September, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
To celebrate passing his driving test, my son drove two of his mates to the cinema this afternoon to see Dredd. All three have come back absolutely buzzing, saying its the best movie ever! I am a proud Daddy today!
To be fair if he'd have said anything less than that you probably would have turfed him out.
This was brilliant. Really wish my son could have seen it.
It wasn't too bad really, not too much gore. I reckon i'll allow him to see that at 15 next year (i was seeing worse). I dont want to stop him seeing a bona fide classic.
This deserves to do very well. Hope it totally changes how the Americans view Dredd and gets them to notice him.
Huzzah!
I'd say a 14 year-old boy could easily tolerate Dredd (he'll see it behind your back anyway).
yeah i bet he will, next tim ehe's home on hols and i am at work for the morning probably :lol:
I don't mind really.
It'll be educational, this is what happens if you mess with drugs.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 15 September, 2012, 09:35:01 PM
This was brilliant. Really wish my son could have seen it.
It wasn't too bad really, not too much gore. I reckon i'll allow him to see that at 15 next year (i was seeing worse). I dont want to stop him seeing a bona fide classic.
This deserves to do very well. Hope it totally changes how the Americans view Dredd and gets them to notice him.
Did you wife like it?
Quote from: Something Fishy on 15 September, 2012, 09:56:45 PM
It'll be educational, this is what happens if you mess with drugs.
Karl Urban will come and explode your face..
Glad you were able to see it and enjoyed it Fishy!
Thank you :)
Was great to have even the wife buzzing about it.
sorry chuffy, yeah she loved it. found the violence perfectly ok in the context of the film and chuckled at some of it.
We both thought the Urban , Thirlby and Headey nailed it.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 10:17:35 PMKarl Urban will come and explode your face..
First read that as "Karl Urban will come and explode
in your face". I was thinking, bloody hell, what did you guys get up to on set? :lol:
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 15 September, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
First read that as "Karl Urban will come and explode in your face". I was thinking, bloody hell, what did you guys get up to on set? :lol:
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 15 September, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
First read that as "Karl Urban will come and explode in your face". I was thinking, bloody hell, what did you guys get up to on set? :lol:
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
Thanks for clearing that up, there are certain mental images I can really do without!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 15 September, 2012, 11:06:21 PM
First read that as "Karl Urban will come and explode in your face". I was thinking, bloody hell, what did you guys get up to on set? :lol:
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
Were you on he film crew then?
So is he meant to be ok or a bit of an "untouchable" famous sort?
So does she seem an ok person or a bit of an untouchable famous type?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
Well that's the actor gotta to do, and that why he is great actor, stay in character, you can't switch it on and people would see different in the film! He gotta to, even with the Client Eastwood style accent, same in Star Trek!
He bloody nice bloke in real life few weeks ago! And very private family man is he?
Yeah it would seem sensible. Must he hard to just switch into and out of character at the drop of a hat.
I met him at LFCC and he was a real gent, as was Alex Garland.
I do remember him saying something in an interview about wearing the full leather costume in rather hot climate of Cape Town in summer tending to make him a bit grumpy.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned here yet: In the leaked script, one of the saddos Ma-Ma has thrown off the balcony at the start has a Judge Death tattoo. Guess that didn't make the final cut then...? (Not complaining. Just curious...)
There's really few differences between the 2010 leaked screenplay and what was seen on screen. The biggest one is the plot-addition of Ma-Ma's explosive threat at the end which I suspect formed part of the re-shoots last Christmas along with the re-written Hot-Shot opening.
In the original screenplay Dredd & Anderson just blitzed the penthouse. Anderson takes a bullet, Dredd shoots Ma-Ma then gives her the Sl-Mo hit and trans-fenestrates the wench. The added bomb-plot I like to think was an extra beat to cement Dredd's totally uncompromising, albeit slightly resigned, fatalist attitude to Ma-Ma's Judgement.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 15 September, 2012, 11:15:10 PM
Were you on he film crew then?
Yeah, I did one or two things on it..
QuoteSo is he meant to be ok or a bit of an "untouchable" famous sort?
So does she seem an ok person or a bit of an untouchable famous type?
He's a pretty nice bloke.. Big All blacks fan, which is why we stamped the top yokes of the gatling guns with 'Os Du Randt', 'Bakkies Botha' and 'Schalk Burger'.. All South African rugby players, just wind him up a bit. He did smile at that one. I suppose he's as approachable as the next bloke, I reckon.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 16 September, 2012, 02:03:58 AM
... Big All blacks fan, which is why we stamped the top yokes of the gatling guns with 'Os Du Randt', 'Bakkies Botha' and 'Schalk Burger'.. All South African rugby players, just wind him up a bit. He did smile at that one.
HA! Excellent! Dredd's a rugby fan! I bloody love the Saffers, Ruan Pienaar's a bit of a local hero here in Belfast. And one of the big guns is named after BJ Botha? That's so cool.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 September, 2012, 12:32:06 AM
There's really few differences between the 2010 leaked screenplay and what was seen on screen. The biggest one is the plot-addition of Ma-Ma's explosive threat at the end which I suspect formed part of the re-shoots last Christmas along with the re-written Hot-Shot opening.
In the original screenplay Dredd & Anderson just blitzed the penthouse. Anderson takes a bullet, Dredd shoots Ma-Ma then gives her the Sl-Mo hit and trans-fenestrates the wench. The added bomb-plot I like to think was an extra beat to cement Dredd's totally uncompromising, albeit slightly resigned, fatalist attitude to Ma-Ma's Judgement.
Even though it was way too reminiscent of Robocop, I did miss the humor in the script where control asks Dredd if his pursuit is resolved with the wrecked van, gored bad guys and innocent injured bystander flapping on the sidewalk in the background.
Quote from: pops1983 on 16 September, 2012, 02:15:49 AM
HA! Excellent! Dredd's a rugby UNION fan! I bloody love the Saffers, Ruan Pienaar's a bit of a local hero here in Belfast. And one of the big guns is named after BJ Botha? That's so cool.
FTFY
V
I've used the soth African angle to try and entice my old bass player to go, he rushed out to see District 9 just because it was shot in his home country.
A mate sent me his work colleague's text assessment, which was that it was way better than TDKR, the best film he's seen this year and possibly the best film he's seen since Robocop. That's a non-comic fan too. To balance it out I did talk to some guys at a party last night who felt Dredd was great for the UK film industry but was lacking as a film. Dicks.
Really glad Fishy saw it and is still on the forum :)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 September, 2012, 09:04:10 AM
That said, I'm off for a second viewing this afternoon, and I'm quite nervous that we just got lucky with the 3D on the first showing!
Saw it a second time yesterday and dragged a different handful of people with me. Didn't feel the previously mentioned pacing issues at all, and found myself wondering why I had the first time. On my initial viewing, it
felt like there was quite an extended period between Anderson's capture and the drug lab shoot-out, but this time the film just zipped by. Very strange.
Sorry to report that the 3D was mis-calibrated at this showing (same cinema, different screen), with definite ghosting going on in some shots. Couldn't swear to it, but it seemed to be worse the further
back an object was supposed to be. Bordered on head-ache inducing in some scenes. :-(
On the plus side, this was the 4pm showing on a Saturday afternoon and it seemed fairly well attended. I asked at the ticket desk and was told that Dredd was doing fair business considering it was both 3D and 18 rated, both of which are taken to be definite box office impediments at that cinema.
Things I loved: I love the way that Gleeson's unnamed techie's implants really looked like they hurt, and the use of 3D to give the pupils depth. I particularly love the fact that Dredd gives a five word summary of the entire movie at the end, with that perfect pause before the final "...uncooperative."
Cheers
Jim
Saw it for the fourth time last night, and noticed that two major pieces of soundtrack were missing. The first, where the Lawmaster gives out the automated 'Interfering with a crime scene...' speech, was missing COMPLETELY, and then soon after the 'Mall will reopen in 30 minutes, thank you for your patience' tannoy announcement was also completely gone. Both me and my girlfriend noticed this, it was her third time seeing it.
Anyone else noticed this?
That sounds like their surround system is fucked.
The lawmaster dialogue is noticeably towards the rear speakers as it's behind the viewer, the announcement probably the same.
QuoteI particularly love the fact that Dredd gives a five word summary of the entire movie at the end, with that perfect pause before the final "...uncooperative."
Also in that particular scene the way that the doors are opened onto the blinking sunlight of a normal, busy morning in MC1, changing the atmosphere completely. Very much the same feeling of staggering out of the pub into a sunny afternoon after a bout of daytime drinking.
Barstaff were...un-cooperative.
More like gutbust, bladder was....unco-operative
12 pints and the prune vindaloo were.......... uncooperative.
Saw it again yesterday it was as good as the first time I saw it. Massive screen made all the difference, and it was a less cloudy than when I saw it the second time on a bog standard screen. A lot more detailed, the grittiness of MC1 really comes through.
The sound was incredible.
Just watched it with a mate and he loved the realism of it and how Dredd wasn't indistructible. He was dying for a piss with 30 mins to go but he was glued to the screen. I must admit, I was desperate for the loo as well but I didn't want to miss any of it, even though I've seen it once or twice now!
Every time you watch it you pick up extra nuances here and there, which means I need to see it again and can't wait for the disc to hit the shops :D
Agree about the noticing something different every time - mine was just before Dredd rolled the stun grenade into the room , he swiped it on his gauntlet - maybe to arm it?
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 16 September, 2012, 04:01:43 PM
Just watched it with a mate and he loved the realism of it and how Dredd wasn't indistructible.
I loved how that was conveyed a number of times through the film, whether he's catching his breath (which it shows a couple of times), a hint of fear, just a hint mind (at the prospect of going back in ,when they are on the skatepark), to feeling genuine pain. Makes a lot of 'indestructable' Marvel/DC types look plastic by comparison.
Quote from: strontium71 on 16 September, 2012, 04:09:21 PM
Agree about the noticing something different every time - mine was just before Dredd rolled the stun grenade into the room , he swiped it on his gauntlet - maybe to arm it?
Yeah.. Setting the timer etc.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 16 September, 2012, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 16 September, 2012, 04:01:43 PM
Just watched it with a mate and he loved the realism of it and how Dredd wasn't indistructible.
I loved how that was conveyed a number of times through the film, whether he's catching his breath (which it shows a couple of times), a hint of fear, just a hint mind (at the prospect of going back in ,when they are on the skatepark), to feeling genuine pain. Makes a lot of 'indestructable' Marvel/DC types look plastic by comparison.
Yeah! BRILLIANT points!
I actually spotted a few guys online complaining about this very aspect of the movie - which to my mind says they didn't 'get it'.
It sorta ties in with my long-running joke 'if Judge Dredd's so hard, why does he wear knee pads?' his character is NOT, and never has been, indestructible and infallible. While a lot of popular comics have been trying to to fake this approach for a coupe of decades now, Dredd's been this way since year one, and the movie got that right BIG TIME.
Just watch it today at cinema, it was 20 people, but what an awesome film!
A Gatling machine guns massacre of the tower's innocent residents was really shocking scene, as it was so powerful. I was again jaw-dropping at that scene...
It was Volt AND Guthrie!
And at start of the film, as at PSU, I notice two criminals screens, the arresting Judges on it says; McGruder and Griffin!
Other points from my second viewing:
I am totally missing the bit where Ma Ma is sympathetic as a lot of you point out. Really don't see it. She just seems plain old even (if resigned to a fate she knows is coming).
And her being resigned to that fate seems odd considering Judges only deal with 6% of the crimes reported to them and there are two references to how rarely Judges cme anywhere near Peach Trees.
Has anybody done a word/line count for Dredd? It must be one of the lowest number of lines for a main character. But absolutely spot on.
Don't like the "Freeze!" "Why?" exchange. I know we need a distraction so that Kay can get the jump on Anderson but I had a feeling I'd see the "Even with the safety off?" exchangein another film (or something silmilar.
Mrs Tips thought that Anderson had psionically forced Kay to blow his own hand off with the Lawgiver at first. I think it sort of happens just out of frame.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 September, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Mrs Tips thought that Anderson had psionically forced Kay to blow his own hand off with the Lawgiver at first. I think it sort of happens just out of frame.
I think your Mrs Tips maybe right, as saw it today, when Anderson having PSI with Kay, Kay was shooting blank at Anderson with Lawgiver, so it's likely he got psi-effect from that later!
I explained it exploded (you see the ID FAIL flash up briefly which she missed). But it was interesting she read it that way.
Went today again.
Highlight for me was, when Ma-Ma puts the block on lock-down and everything starts closing, the woman sitting in front of me said, "Oh shit!"
The throat punch and Hi-Ex bits got the biggest reactions, as did "Drugs bust," at the end.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 September, 2012, 08:40:29 PM
I explained it exploded (you see the ID FAIL flash up briefly which she missed). But it was interesting she read it that way.
THAT is an interesting take hadn't even considered that, even though I've now seen it six times (todays headcount 22, but early evening show)
Quote from: Goaty on 16 September, 2012, 07:02:03 PM
Just watch it today at cinema, it was 20 people, but what an awesome film!
A Gatling machine guns massacre of the tower's innocent residents was really shocking scene, as it was so powerful. I was again jaw-dropping at that scene...
It was Volt AND Guthrie!
And at start of the film, as at PSU, I notice two criminals screens, the arresting Judges on it says; McGruder and Griffin!
Jeez Goaty you must have bionic eyes -still can't quite see Guthie, nevermind McGruder and Griffin
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 16 September, 2012, 09:36:16 PM
Jeez Goaty you must have bionic eyes -still can't quite see Guthie, nevermind McGruder and Griffin
Well good eyes lol.
When one of our Judges walking pass two Judges to open the lockdown door, Judge badge at left said "Guthie".
PSU scene when ask Dredd need back up. The monitor with two criminals flash up, at right top of the monitor shows "Arresting Judge" that got McGruder, and other photo got Griffin.
Been too busy to post recently but I saw DREDD on the opening weekend at an early afternoon screening. There were only about 15 people in the audience but everyone seemed to enjoy it.
After the 1995 disaster it so refreshing to be able to just relax and enjoy Karl Urban's performance without cringing in my seat like I did when I saw Stallone's first appearance as Dredd. The bleak near future look of MC1 worked really well, and helped set it apart from the comics version of MC1.
The city has a distinct look and character that hopefully can be expanded upon in sequels. Though not exactly original, the story is perfectly fine as a vehicle to introduce the characters which is really all it needed to be.
I loved the brutal, uncompromising nature of the movie which reminded me of the violent action and science fiction films of the 70's and 80's.
Looking at comments on Twitter it seems to be a hit with UK audiences too.
Congratulations to everyone involved in its production and to those boarders who got a name-check in the film - you jammy bastards! :lol:
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 10 September, 2012, 10:33:36 AM
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 09:41:33 AM
There was tangible squirming and discomfort as Mama approached the ground, as people realised what was about to happen.
A colleague has just said the same thing to me, his screening was pretty busy and he says there was a group "ooooooooh" actually audible when the ground appears. My screenings were the same, you could feel everyone gripping their armrests. I think it's so effective because at that point you're enjoying the gorgeous slo-mo visuals that you almost forget a horrible death is imminent. It almost makes Ma Ma's death seem like a really beautiful thing and then the ugly reality sinks in. Brilliant.
Didn't bat an eyelid at Dredd's aggressive interrogation, he's done far worse as a means to an end.
Off for my third viewing tonight with my regular movie buddy, really looking forward to it, possibly even more than the first time.
For her it is quite beautiful: it's what she wanted all along.
One of the best bits of the movie and the use of daylight after was excellent.
I think the most refreshing thing about this was that the clothing and transit were fairly ordinary looking. It never made sense for a post-doomsday society to have utopian technology. Drones, guns, massive buildings - containment and control are where the innovation lies.
It's an amazing aesthetic and internal logic that I hope any returns to this universe respect. I think it's good this Dreddworld is skewed differently from Dreddworld prime.
Saw it again last night - 5th time. I sorted out a Cineworld monthly pass, as the expense was just getting ludicrous. My farts also smell of popcorn, so I will be sneaking healthier food into the auditorium from here on in.
On 5th viewing it still seems fresh and cool. I'm starting to mutter the lines under my breath as they arrive, and anticipate the arrival of some of my favourite scenes. 'Call 911', the cut to the overhead shot of the city at night, the 'Bad Judges' theme, and Lex and his cohorts riding in - brilliant.
Also, the mini-guns bit, when the flame from the end of each lights up Ma-Ma's face. Lovely shot - emphasises what a nutjob she is.
When Anderson and Dredd leave the Hall of Justice on their bikes - love the meaty rumble and just the look of them both helmeted and ready to roll.
I am trying to look out for Goaty and Joe Soap, but keep being distracted by the action!
Anyway, I hope to see it a couple more times on my new Cineworld pass, and then I'll have to wait for the DVD/Blu Ray. Is anyone else considering getting a 3D TV ahead of the Blu Ray release?!?
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
Is anyone else considering getting a 3D TV ahead of the Blu Ray release?!?
I mentioned it to my Wife, she just gave me a look that told me I'd be nutless if I even looked at one....
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
I am trying to look out for Goaty and Joe Soap, but keep being distracted by the action!
(http://i.imgur.com/C0K0E.gif)
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 17 September, 2012, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
Is anyone else considering getting a 3D TV ahead of the Blu Ray release?!?
I mentioned it to my Wife, she just gave me a look that told me I'd be nutless if I even looked at one....
Thankfully, I no longer have that problem. :D
Quote from: Goaty on 17 September, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
I am trying to look out for Goaty and Joe Soap, but keep being distracted by the action!
(http://i.imgur.com/C0K0E.gif)
My god, it's no wonder I kept missing it!!!
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 17 September, 2012, 10:15:34 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
Is anyone else considering getting a 3D TV ahead of the Blu Ray release?!?
I mentioned it to my Wife, she just gave me a look that told me I'd be nutless if I even looked at one....
I bought a 3D tv a couple of weeks ago ready for it :). I needed a new TV anyway but that swung my decision to go 3D
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 10:18:04 AM
My god, it's no wonder I kept missing it!!!
It was there for 5 seconds, no wonder why I got big grin every time I saw that... :D
I love Judge Lex more and more every time I see it, the man is in danger of upstaging Dredd in their scenes together! :D
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 September, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
I love Judge Lex more and more every time I see it, the man is in danger of upstaging Dredd in their scenes together! :D
Indeed, like Flashheart in Blackadder :lol:
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 September, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
I love Judge Lex more and more every time I see it, the man is in danger of upstaging Dredd in their scenes together! :D
Reckon he'd make a great Judge Pal.
Yeah, love the way he says "...Million", then smirks at Alvarez in a "This guy!" kinda way.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
I know another Judge who is like that. I tried asking him for a sweet popcorn at the Empire Leicester Square the other week and to say I got dirty looks is an understatement. ;)
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 17 September, 2012, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 15 September, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
Karl seemed very grumpy, so I stayed the hell away from him the scarce few times they let me do anything on set.. He tends to get into character and stay that way until they call wrap.
I know another Judge who is like that. I tried asking him for a sweet popcorn at the Empire Leicester Square the other week and to say I got dirty looks is an understatement. ;)
Did you ask for a pink drink while you were at it?
Lex is amazing, it's a properly scenery chewing turn. The actor also looks nothing at all like I thought he would with the helmet off which is weird.
He reminded me of Rico in Blood Cadets, grinning judges are just slightly wrong.
20 years of snorting Umpty will do that to a man.
Langley Kirkwood as Judge Lex
And I won't realise him with his helmet off!
(http://static.cinemarx.ro/poze/postere/actori/lan/Langley-Kirkwood-35801-112.jpg)
Edwin Perry as Judge Alvarez
Can't find his photo!
Karl Thaning as Judge Chan
(http://i2.listal.com/image/413839/200full-.jpg)
Michele Levin as Judge Kaplan
(http://www.artistconnection.co.za/wiki/images/thumb/d/da/MicheleLevin4.jpg/150px-MicheleLevin4.jpg)
Imagine the self-flagellation and needing to see it again to make sure...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/movies/12mv110.htm
'The only source of law and order are the "Judges," who roam the streets on way-cool motorcycles in search of delinquents'.
But, seriously, that review is the best yet.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
Imagine the self-flagellation and needing to see it again to make sure...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/movies/12mv110.htm
Whoa ,an O for morally offensive -JACKPOT! They'll be sneaking in in their droves.
One of my colleagues had this to say about the film:
QuoteTop Tip: Fathers with small children – why not amuse yourselves no end every time your son/daughter starts a sentence with "But mummy said..." by saying in a suitably gravelly voice "Ma-Ma's not the law – I'm the law" before hurling them into an juve-cube for 6 months.
With all these Raid comparisons, has anyone noticed the synopsis for End of Watch, which opens in the US this Friday along with Dredd..?
'Two police officers from the Los Angeles Police Department come upon a startling discovery, making them the targets of a drug cartel.'
I was going to prompt someone to see DREDD. Turns out it's on his to-see-list so will try to round up a few more people.
I was totally absorbed in my 2nd viewing. It flew by.
So many classic moments.
When Ma-Ma locked down Peach Trees and announced she wants the judges dead – I loved the way people backed away from Dredd and Anderson as they walked through – as if they were cornered dangerous animals despite the judges themselves being in serious danger. Brilliant.
Really like the way Dredd doesn't come across as a 'superhero' with a reputation. He has a name with other judges but doesn't seem to with cits / perps. None of that: it's Judge Dredd coming to save the day BS.
Really wish I kept away from all trailers. It's not as if I needed the film promoted to me. I really was surprised by the violent trailer. Wish I had that surprise in the cinema.
Amazing when Dredd blasts one crook and the bullet sparks off on some masonry after it went through the perp.
One of my favourite sequences is when Dredd fries the perps with an incendiary. The look on Dredd's face as the flames reflect in his visor. Just sheer excellence. To me that was a bit of a David Lynch type moment. When the camera just holds that shot of Dredd and the moment just sizzles.
Brilliant the way Urban doesn't gurn to pull a Dredd caraciture. With the grimmace, he gets it spot on.
So much more I could go on about.
That reminds me of another great scene - it's been mentioned before, but the bit near the start where the perp holds a woman hostage. Establishes Dredd as a truly terrifying character. No smartarsed macho quips, just chilly silence as the perp fries. Also highlights Dredd's distance from normal social interactions - there's an almost awkward pause after Dredd saves her life; and he doesn't even bother responding to her thanks. An absolutely perfect introduction to Dredd as a character.
Actually it kind of reminded me of the first scene of Grant Morrison's Inferno, where Dredd scares the living shit out of two bazooka-toting perps by just standing in front of them - not a good story, of course, but a great opening scene.
QuoteEstablishes Dredd as a truly terrifying character.
Yeah, that's what I loved about the performance. Dredd is a total bastard the whole way through. Amazing really that we root for him.
QuoteYeah, that's what I loved about the performance. Dredd is a total bastard the whole way through. Amazing really that we root for him.
There's a great quote from Garland where he says Wagner's advice on writing Dredd was "The harder you make him, the more people will like him", which is just perfect.
My girlfriend thought Dredd (the man himself as well as the film) was amazing. Every time he did something especially tough/nasty/badass she would grab my arm and say how cool he was. After the film she was quoting her favourite lines in her best Dredd growl.
Perhaps, after all, that is the best thing about this film for me - that after so many years of being together, it allowed my girlfriend to finally understand why I love this character and share that with me.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
Imagine the self-flagellation and needing to see it again to make sure...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/movies/12mv110.htm
Down with this sort of thing! :lol:
Quote from: Mudcrab on 18 September, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 08:59:39 PM
Imagine the self-flagellation and needing to see it again to make sure...
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/movies/12mv110.htm
Down with this sort of thing! :lol:
Its a review like that which piss`s me off man i mean there`s no need to dread going to see dredd ahhh see what you done there clever reviewer, if your a teenager who happens to like violent video games, so for anyone who hasnt been lucky enough to see this fantastic movie and who isnt A a teenager and B a fan of violent video games you should acording to the reviewer dread going to see dredd haha ,I myself am not a teenager and dont mind violent video games and i dredded not seeing it ;)
Quote from: radiator on 18 September, 2012, 12:25:53 PM
My girlfriend thought Dredd (the man himself as well as the film) was amazing. Every time he did something especially tough/nasty/badass she would grab my arm and say how cool he was. After the film she was quoting her favourite lines in her best Dredd growl.
Perhaps, after all, that is the best thing about this film for me - that after so many years of being together, it allowed my girlfriend to finally understand why I love this character and share that with me.
Yeah, great when the other half gets what one has been so into for all those years. She was beaming at the end of the film.
Afterwards, standing outside VUE at N1 shopping centre in Islington. Me: "Shall we go to Wagamamas? Are you ready? You look ready." Stupid I know.
5th viewing last night :D
This time with 5 work colleagues, none of them Dredd fans, all of them very, very impressed and enthusiastic about it afterwards. It was in a small screen in the Vue in Edinburgh, probably only holds about 50 folks, there were about 30 there so atmosphere was good.
I think this will be my last time seeing it as moneywise I need to bow out at some point and 5 is a nice round number.
Glad I did it at Vue though, because despite it being a small screen the picture, sound and 3D was of a much better quality than in the 4 Cineworld screenings I went to. Genuine additional depth, it looked incredible. It's a real shame to think that in a lot of cases I've walked out of a movie and declared the 3D in it to be dreadful, when in actual fact Cineworld just don't seem to have things set up right. I'm tempted to write a letter of complaint to let them know that something is really not right with their system.
I'm still not a full 3D convert, I certainly don't think all films should use it, but on the very rare occasions I've seen it done right I've always been glad of the opportunity to see it in the format.
5?! Suddenly my 4 seems a bit pathetic. Hmm, sure I can scrape together a tenner for a ticket tonight... :D
been 6 times now thats my last till the dvd comes out (hopefully)
edinburgh vue omni centre last night 21:00 about 25 people there
loved the movie but i want more of dredd
only bad point was the hot dogs at the cinema the buns were not fresh
bad points
not enough dredd on motorbike, helmet need's resize story lacked about 3/4 in ,not enough proper citizens, robots, hover cars
good points
really liked dredd uniform and new lawmaster, some nice dry Witt, SLOMO effect, music rocked
you really need to get an edit button on this forum ...... please mods
One thing I only just twigged to last night is the final shot of Anderson, I assume that's the one Wagner asked to be inserted?
I'd completely forgotten about that on my other views, but remember reading that in Garland's original cut the last we see of Anderson is her storming off, and Wagner wasn't happy with that being the way she's left, so they supposedly had to digitally insert another shot of Anderson from earlier in the movie.
It just struck me last night that the shot in question must be, as Dredd is reprising his monologue, the one where you see Anderson from behind, helmet in hand, about to head out on another patrol. I love the effort they went to with that, apparently just on Wagner's input. That kind of respect for the source is fantastic.
Such an amazing shot too, I think on previous viewings I was too excited by the overall effect to really get those details, but last night that shot gave me goosebumps. Oh god, I think I'm going to go again.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 19 September, 2012, 12:04:59 PM
One thing I only just twigged to last night is the final shot of Anderson, I assume that's the one Wagner asked to be inserted?
I'd completely forgotten about that on my other views, but remember reading that in Garland's original cut the last we see of Anderson is her storming off, and Wagner wasn't happy with that being the way she's left, so they supposedly had to digitally insert another shot of Anderson from earlier in the movie.
It just struck me last night that the shot in question must be, as Dredd is reprising his monologue, the one where you see Anderson from behind, helmet in hand, about to head out on another patrol. I love the effort they went to with that, apparently just on Wagner's input. That kind of respect for the source is fantastic.
Such an amazing shot too, I think on previous viewings I was too excited by the overall effect to really get those details, but last night that shot gave me goosebumps. Oh god, I think I'm going to go again.
Yeah, loved that scene.
On my last viewing I noticed Anderson and Kay both looking at the 'Muties Out' painted on the wall at one point.
Seen it last night and thought it was enjoyable enough with only a few gripes about it.
When Dredd is hiding behind the wall in the slo mo factory and Lex commands his lawgiver to go armour piercing and starts shooting THROUGH the wall Dredd is standing behind.... and he just stands there as the bullets get closer and closer... would it not have been an idea to get outta the way?
Effectively in this scene Dredd was beat, Lex had him pinned and it was only Andersons intervention that saved him. I just thought Dredd was too easily defeated to get to the point where he needed Anderson to step in. I understand for cinematic reasons why it happened, but it just didn't seem very Dredd like.
Also in the scene when he starts beatin up on the perp they have in tow... he seems to kinda loose it a bit, lets his anger get the better of him which is something I thought Dredd would always keep in check and not let emotions cloud his judgement.
Some of the dialogue was a bit clunky and there were a couple of planks in there instead of actors. But only minor roles.
Very much liked the look of the film, and the score was fantastic, the bike was great (loved the crowd control mode. It had a feeling of 70's/80's Carpenter films.. Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all great films.
All in all a good effort and I hope it makes enough to get a follow up.
When's teh DVD out??
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all fucking excellent films.
FTFY
Quote from: strontium71 on 19 September, 2012, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all fucking excellent films.
FTFY
Cheers!
One other matter, did anyone notice a few darker scenes appeared very grainy in image quality??
There were a few scenes, one had Dredd stalking the corridors of the block (maybe about 3/4 through runnning time), camera angle would change, image quality dropped, camera angle changed... image quality back to norm...
Anyone??
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:44:51 PMOne other matter, did anyone notice a few darker scenes appeared very grainy in image quality??
There were a few scenes, one had Dredd stalking the corridors of the block (maybe about 3/4 through runnning time), camera angle would change, image quality dropped, camera angle changed... image quality back to norm...
Anyone??
Yeah, in particular around the scene just before choking Chan, where he takes out two random perps.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 19 September, 2012, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:44:51 PMOne other matter, did anyone notice a few darker scenes appeared very grainy in image quality??
There were a few scenes, one had Dredd stalking the corridors of the block (maybe about 3/4 through runnning time), camera angle would change, image quality dropped, camera angle changed... image quality back to norm...
Anyone??
Yeah, in particular around the scene just before choking Chan, where he takes out two random perps.
Right.. wasn't just me then.... anyone any ideas as to the cause of this?
It looked like a few scenes were added but not properly 'cleaned up'.
Yeah, not sure why - maybe they were underexposed and pushed in post, it's possible to remove grain and then add a little grain back in which looks better.
If they were shot on RED, the epics are better for low light, but I think they were using the previous models which might explain it.
It was only a couple of shots, but I noticed it as well.
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 September, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
Yeah, not sure why - maybe they were underexposed and pushed in post, it's possible to remove grain and then add a little grain back in which looks better.
If they were shot on RED, the epics are better for low light, but I think they were using the previous models which might explain it.
It was only a couple of shots, but I noticed it as well.
Red Epic and SI2K's
All the PR stuff I've read says it was the MX not the Epic. But you were there.
Could have been the SI2K of course, just surprised how noisy those shots were.
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 September, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
All the PR stuff I've read says it was the MX not the Epic. But you were there.
Could have been the SI2K of course, just surprised how noisy those shots were.
It was also almost 2 years ago.. If they say MX, then it probably was the MX..
Dod-Mantle mentioned changing between RED4K & SI2K* (back-pack camera) thus focal lengths/resolution would be altered if the 2 cameras were used in a single scene. It may be more noticeable in that darker scene more than any other if the RED one was reduced to 2K res to match the SI2K or vice versa.
*SI2K having a smaller chip/sensor size than the RED would mean different depth-of-field/focal-lengths ratio for each.
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 September, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
All the PR stuff I've read says it was the MX not the Epic. But you were there.
Could have been the SI2K of course, just surprised how noisy those shots were.
It was the REDMX, Epic wasn't really out in the field then. You can also see the REDMX in the 3D rigs.
(http://www.lonewolf-grips.net/southafrica/wp-content/gallery/dredd/lonewolf-grips-dredd%20(10).jpg)
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
Seen it last night and thought it was enjoyable enough with only a few gripes about it.
When Dredd is hiding behind the wall in the slo mo factory and Lex commands his lawgiver to go armour piercing and starts shooting THROUGH the wall Dredd is standing behind.... and he just stands there as the bullets get closer and closer... would it not have been an idea to get outta the way?
Effectively in this scene Dredd was beat, Lex had him pinned and it was only Andersons intervention that saved him. I just thought Dredd was too easily defeated to get to the point where he needed Anderson to step in. I understand for cinematic reasons why it happened, but it just didn't seem very Dredd like.
Also in the scene when he starts beatin up on the perp they have in tow... he seems to kinda loose it a bit, lets his anger get the better of him which is something I thought Dredd would always keep in check and not let emotions cloud his judgement.
Some of the dialogue was a bit clunky and there were a couple of planks in there instead of actors. But only minor roles.
Very much liked the look of the film, and the score was fantastic, the bike was great (loved the crowd control mode. It had a feeling of 70's/80's Carpenter films.. Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all great films.
All in all a good effort and I hope it makes enough to get a follow up.
When's teh DVD out??
what was dredd suppose to do he was out of ammo for 1 and 2 he was`nt going to just run out into the open it was the last bit of cover that he could find and as for when he is beating up Kay he wants to no why mama and her clan are willing to slaughter all those people ie the rail gun scene just to stop dredd and anderson from bringing Kay in for interrogation i agree with you totally on the look of the movie i thought the same thing :D
Should have taken Chan's ammo... the dope ;)
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 September, 2012, 03:34:57 PM
Should have taken Chan's ammo... the dope ;)
Moment of rush? Awake of other Judges on way...?
I know it's a contrivance to get him to the scene with Lex, it's the same as he doesn't pick up any of the weapons of the guys he drops in the slomo lab after that, despite knowing he's low on ammo.
There's not really a sense of urgency that stops him picking up at least one clip there, or one of the weapons of the guards, but Dredd's far from alone in that kind of thing.
According to this, Entertainment Weekly is about to give Dredd an enthusiastic review. This is great news. The most mainstream of all the entertainment industry magazines and a huge push to get regular punters to go "Hmm. Maybe I should go see this after all!" Awesome.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/09/19/dredd-3d-mondo-poster/
Last night, at the point where Ma Ma tells him about the detonator, the guy behind me said "Stun" a couple of times in a "this is a stupid plot hole" kind of way.
It did make me think for a moment that Stun would have made sense, but I think the point was that Dredd had sentenced her already and there was no way he wasn't going to carry that out, so Stun just wasn't an option to him. That, or the ammo he picked up didn't have any of the special ammo types in it.
If she had a dodgy ticker the stun may have killed her, look at tazers today. So go back in time and tell that twat to Drokk Off!
Quote from: blackmocco on 19 September, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
According to this, Entertainment Weekly is about to give Dredd an enthusiastic review. This is great news. The most mainstream of all the entertainment industry magazines and a huge push to get regular punters to go "Hmm. Maybe I should go see this after all!" Awesome.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/09/19/dredd-3d-mondo-poster/
Needs some more positive reviews,it's dipped to 89% on RT,6 negative reviews? still pull that back I think.
Also don't know how many stun rounds he had, he only had two Hi-Ex.
Quote from: hazy efc on 19 September, 2012, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
Seen it last night and thought it was enjoyable enough with only a few gripes about it.
When Dredd is hiding behind the wall in the slo mo factory and Lex commands his lawgiver to go armour piercing and starts shooting THROUGH the wall Dredd is standing behind.... and he just stands there as the bullets get closer and closer... would it not have been an idea to get outta the way?
Effectively in this scene Dredd was beat, Lex had him pinned and it was only Andersons intervention that saved him. I just thought Dredd was too easily defeated to get to the point where he needed Anderson to step in. I understand for cinematic reasons why it happened, but it just didn't seem very Dredd like.
Also in the scene when he starts beatin up on the perp they have in tow... he seems to kinda loose it a bit, lets his anger get the better of him which is something I thought Dredd would always keep in check and not let emotions cloud his judgement.
Some of the dialogue was a bit clunky and there were a couple of planks in there instead of actors. But only minor roles.
Very much liked the look of the film, and the score was fantastic, the bike was great (loved the crowd control mode. It had a feeling of 70's/80's Carpenter films.. Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all great films.
All in all a good effort and I hope it makes enough to get a follow up.
When's teh DVD out??
what was dredd suppose to do he was out of ammo for 1 and 2 he was`nt going to just run out into the open it was the last bit of cover that he could find and as for when he is beating up Kay he wants to no why mama and her clan are willing to slaughter all those people ie the rail gun scene just to stop dredd and anderson from bringing Kay in for interrogation i agree with you totally on the look of the movie i thought the same thing :D
He could have improvised with something... he's Dredd!
He wouldn't just stand there and wait for Lex to come get him... He didn't know Anderson was free at that point so had no idea she was on her way to know he could stall Lex until she showed up.
I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
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Seen it last night and thought it was enjoyable enough with only a few gripes about it.
When Dredd is hiding behind the wall in the slo mo factory and Lex commands his lawgiver to go armour piercing and starts shooting THROUGH the wall Dredd is standing behind.... and he just stands there as the bullets get closer and closer... would it not have been an idea to get outta the way?
Effectively in this scene Dredd was beat, Lex had him pinned and it was only Andersons intervention that saved him. I just thought Dredd was too easily defeated to get to the point where he needed Anderson to step in. I understand for cinematic reasons why it happened, but it just didn't seem very Dredd like.
Also in the scene when he starts beatin up on the perp they have in tow... he seems to kinda loose it a bit, lets his anger get the better of him which is something I thought Dredd would always keep in check and not let emotions cloud his judgement.
Some of the dialogue was a bit clunky and there were a couple of planks in there instead of actors. But only minor roles.
Very much liked the look of the film, and the score was fantastic, the bike was great (loved the crowd control mode. It had a feeling of 70's/80's Carpenter films.. Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, The Thing etc... all great films.
All in all a good effort and I hope it makes enough to get a follow up.
When's teh DVD out??
what was dredd suppose to do he was out of ammo for 1 and 2 he was`nt going to just run out into the open it was the last bit of cover that he could find and as for when he is beating up Kay he wants to no why mama and her clan are willing to slaughter all those people ie the rail gun scene just to stop dredd and anderson from bringing Kay in for interrogation i agree with you totally on the look of the movie i thought the same thing :D
He could have improvised with something... he's Dredd!
He wouldn't just stand there and wait for Lex to come get him... He didn't know Anderson was free at that point so had no idea she was on her way to know he could stall Lex until she showed up.
I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
Maybe Andserson sent Dredd an "I'm on my way" psi flash! ;)
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
Dredd's not an idiot, knife vs gun is only ever gonna go one way...
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Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
Dredd's not an idiot, knife vs gun is only ever gonna go one way...
c'mon that bootknife has saved Dredd from far bigger bastards than one bent Judge. Might have been a giveaway though as he has to shout BOOTKNIFE every time.
Thing is he was up against a Judge who has been through the acadamy as did Dredd. It always seems irritating when other Judges are fodder.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 19 September, 2012, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 September, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
Dredd's not an idiot, knife vs gun is only ever gonna go one way...
So Dredds gonna just give up an say... Hey, you gotta gun I only gotta knife... you win shoot me now....
I don't think so.
Quote from: flesario on 19 September, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
Thing is he was up against a Judge who has been through the acadamy as did Dredd. It always seems irritating when other Judges are fodder.
Totally agree.
That's my pet peeve on a lot of writers on Dredd. Other Judges are off'ed far too easily.
V
Quote from: flesario on 19 September, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
Thing is he was up against a Judge who has been through the acadamy as did Dredd. It always seems irritating when other Judges are fodder.
I know what you mean, but in the film all the Judges came across rightly as as bad ass and none went out as easily (the female was unlucky not knowing Anderson was a psychic sidekick)
Late to the party as ever, but I finally saw Dredd tonight. I very much doubt anything I have to say hasn't already been said before and better by someone else here, so I'll just suffice with - loved it. Had a big stupid grin on my face throughout. More please. :thumbsup:
Noticed that Dredd said he was from sector 13 when he was speaking to Chan. A reference to John Carpenter's Assault On Precinct 13 from Alex Garland, I wonder?
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I'd have liked him to show off some knife skills and maybe sticking it up through Lex's throat or something.
Dredd's not an idiot, knife vs gun is only ever gonna go one way...
So Dredds gonna just give up an say... Hey, you gotta gun I only gotta knife... you win shoot me now....
I don't think so.
I think he would have tried something, if he hadn't noticed Anderson was there. Regardless of whether it would have worked, he would have tried. But he's not invulnerable and no matter how well-trained he is, it really is very easy to get hurt/die due to a number of reasons - and I think that was the main point of that scene, to show that he really is not an invulnerable superhero.
Anyway, that's how it came across to my non-Dredd-fan friends, and they were truly shocked when it happened, especially the slow slide down the wall as the shock and pain set in. Then they won the day despite both being 'taken down' and it was a greater win for it.
QuoteBut he's not invulnerable and no matter how well-trained he is, it really is very easy to get hurt/die due to a number of reasons - and I think that was the main point of that scene
Exactly how I read it. It sold Dredd as a MAN not a SUPERHERO.
He was clearly exhausted and at the end of his rope. And besides - where exactly where he was supposed to run to? He was cornered with no gun. Oh yeah, I'll wave a knife at this here corrupt Judge... that'll do it...
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Quote from: flesario on 19 September, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
Thing is he was up against a Judge who has been through the acadamy as did Dredd. It always seems irritating when other Judges are fodder.
I know what you mean, but in the film all the Judges came across rightly as as bad ass and none went out as easily (the female was unlucky not knowing Anderson was a psychic sidekick)
I agree. In fact, if you consider all his previous assailants, Ma-Ma's crew, the juves etc etc, he waded through them like a hot knife through butter without a scratch. It was only when he came across his fellow Academy of Law grads that he struggled, to the point of serious injury. Had Anderson not stepped in, he would have been dead.
It's important too, because it throws things into perspective for Dredd. Anderson may not be HIS kind of judge, but she proves herself and he realises he can trust her - just as it is in the comics.
It really bugs me when people say that Dredd has 'no plot' or 'no story' - it has a SIMPLE plot, yes, but give me a simple story expertly and elegantly told than an overblown, undercooked, slightly muddled 'epic' (Dark Knight Rises) any day.
QuoteIt's important too, because it throws things into perspective for Dredd. Anderson may not be HIS kind of judge, but she proves herself and he realises he can trust her - just as it is in the comics.
And building on this observation, it also has the female 'sidekick' character saving the life of the male lead.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 20 September, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
And building on this observation, it also has the female 'sidekick' character saving the life of the male lead.
And equally notably, IMO, not needing to be rescued.
Cheers
Jim
AND manages to have a central male/female relationship with plenty of chemisty without ever shoehorning in any suggestion of love interest plot.
Sad to say, but this film is practically ground-breaking.
QuoteSad to say, but this film is practically ground-breaking.
I was going to say ground-breaking in my post, but pulled back from it. You're probably right though.
Outside of a James Cameron movie, we pretty much never see a female character in an action film this strong.
Princess Leia was pretty hard core at times..
Quote from: radiator on 20 September, 2012, 11:04:27 AM
Sad to say, but this film is practically ground-breaking.
It also passes the Bechdel Test (http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Bechdel_test) for the scene in which Ma-Ma and Kaplan discuss killing Anderson.
If the film does nothing else, I'd be happy if it put the boot into Hollywood's slavish adherence to the idea that every character must have 'an arc'; that it's not proper writing unless your protagonist has undergone some emotional journey and is demonstrably changed by the experience.
I'm not saying that
no characters should ever grow as part of the narrative, but, by the same token, it's not necessary to shoe-horn in a character arc to hit some nebulous concept of what a good screenplay 'should' do.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Michaelvk on 20 September, 2012, 11:10:14 AM
Princess Leia was pretty hard core at times..
At times... although her main function in the first movie was to be rescued. In Empire: fall in love, get captured, get rescued. Jedi: brief period of being hardass (while pretending to be a man), then capture, gratuitous bikini (didn't Fisher make a comment about her character suddenly forgetting how to speak during these scenes?) then needing rescued again. Battle of Endor: got shot, needed rescued.
And also, bear in mind she is the ONLY female character in the original trilogy. No, Mon Mothma doesn't count. Nor does Aunt Beru.
Quote from: radiator on 20 September, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
It's important too, because it throws things into perspective for Dredd. Anderson may not be HIS kind of judge, but she proves herself and he realises he can trust her - just as it is in the comics.
It really bugs me when people say that Dredd has 'no plot' or 'no story' - it has a SIMPLE plot, yes, but give me a simple story expertly and elegantly told than an overblown, undercooked, slightly muddled 'epic' (Dark Knight Rises) any day.
What he said ^
And Anderson as a female lead, sans love interest, is so unusual. I'm surprised reviewers haven't picked up on it, and as pointed out above she does the rescuing as opposed to being the rescuee, how often does that happen without the mother or lover motivation?
Another parallel with Robocop, I guess, and the Murphy and Lewis partnership.
Who had the Judge Death tattoo in the film... was looking out for it but didn't see it.
Anyone see it??
Saw it yesterday, after giving up on a 2D showing...
It was as great as a "real world" Dredd film could be, and surprisingly (for me), that is pretty great! Like SBT and maybe a few others in this parish, I've been wary of shaving off the more outre elements of Dredd, because they are what give Dredd that deeper level. Crudely, its why I prefer 60s Batman over Nolan, as the layer of humour and unreality add a pizazz that no amount of pretending dressing up as a bat could realistically occur can give....
But it looked beautiful, was acted perfectly by the main actors, and if you squinted at the modern day stuff and imagined a slightly bigger budget giving us better vans and some kneepads, the script could have easily fitted into the comic, with a couple of niggles...
Plot niggle - they blow up half a floor of the block, but still think they can cover it up by offing Anderson and Dredd and putting it down to a little intergang rivalry... and the Judges will just accept this and walk away...? I know otherwise Anderson is toast there, but really, did I miss an explanation that made sense of that?
Dredd niggle - rule number 1 of bad Dredd writing is "Dredd executes surrendered/incapacitated perps as they have been sentenced to death"... Nothing feels more wrong for me in a Dredd script, and it jars here too. I love the extreme lengths that the Judges go to to keep perps alive to serve their time - witness "the forever crimes" and especially "The other Slab Tynan", and many other stories where Dredd could just off the perp, but goes to insane lengths to actually save them - its that flavour that I think "real world" Dredd misses out on, more so than hover boards and uglies. If they do a "democracy" sequel, then all well and good, and the harshness we see here might get questioned as part of the narrative. Dredd is a bastard, but when you see him risk his own life for some punk, you realise he's a driven bastard rather than a sadistic one, and here it went a bit sadistic one more than one occassion.
But otherwise, top show, and I'll probably try and catch a 2d if such a thing ever shows.
Quote from: Leigh S on 20 September, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
Dredd niggle - rule number 1 of bad Dredd writing is "Dredd executes surrendered/incapacitated perps as they have been sentenced to death"... Nothing feels more wrong for me in a Dredd script, and it jars here too. I love the extreme lengths that the Judges go to to keep perps alive to serve their time - witness "the forever crimes" and especially "The other Slab Tynan", and many other stories where Dredd could just off the perp, but goes to insane lengths to actually save them
Im guessing that in the locked-down and isolated situation they found themselves in, they had to go a bit 'route one', if you will. Which is in keeping with the comic.
I didnt get the impression Dredd was a sadistic bastard, at any point in the film, only ever a driven one.
Dredd's line to Anderson about not being able to execute somebody on only a 99% probability - or words to that effect, told you a great deal, as did Dredd's response, when Anderson sorta sugested cutting Kay loose later on. So, Kay was dragged along, no doubt, putting them at greater risk and almost certainly slowing them down.
Possibly, but its not explicit that they are doing it purely because of the lockdown - Theres that line at the start where Dredd says she will ahve to execute perps, and Dredd specifically telling people they have a death sentence - as part of her test, you'd think Anderson might have to make the call re "extenuating circs" allowing them greater shoot to kill powers than the norm. Or something like that to make it clear this wasnt standard procedure. As for sadistic, you have Dredd beat up KAy before Anderson steps in and reads his mind... Again, you could call extenuating circs.. One of the first Dredd stories I ever read was "Knock on the door", where its made clear that torture is a crime, even if its a judge trying to extrct a confession/information - again, its little details like that that make Dredd as a character stand out from other "action" heroes - he holds himself to even sterner rules than the citizens he polices. Plus the whole slo-mo thing at the end - didnt see what that added other than a rather unseemly (for Dredd) "poetic" justice...
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Quote from: Leigh S on 20 September, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
Dredd niggle - rule number 1 of bad Dredd writing is "Dredd executes surrendered/incapacitated perps as they have been sentenced to death"... Nothing feels more wrong for me in a Dredd script, and it jars here too. I love the extreme lengths that the Judges go to to keep perps alive to serve their time - witness "the forever crimes" and especially "The other Slab Tynan", and many other stories where Dredd could just off the perp, but goes to insane lengths to actually save them
Im guessing that in the locked-down and isolated situation they found themselves in, they had to go a bit 'route one', if you will. Which is in keeping with the comic.
I didnt get the impression Dredd was a sadistic bastard, at any point in the film, only ever a driven one.
Dredd's line to Anderson about not being able to execute somebody on only a 99% probability - or words to that effect, told you a great deal, as did Dredd's response, when Anderson sorta sugested cutting Kay loose later on. So, Kay was dragged along, no doubt, putting them at greater risk and almost certainly slowing them down.
I can excuse the film a few liberties with Mega City law.
In the comics, there is no real death penalty except under extreme circumstances - in the world of the film it's a necessary measure.
Similarly, the Judges wouldn't use 'torture' to extract a confession (although some of the scenes we've witnessed featuring Dredd interrogating prisoners have been pretty close to a form of torture - particularly during the Total War story during which a man is drugged to death during a failed atempt to extract information), but, again, in the world of the film it is deemed to be within the law, particularly given the circumstances Dredd finds himself in.
The law is more brutal in the film but so is MC-1 in general.
A knock at the door was 30 odd years ago when it was primarily a comic for children, there have been plenty of instances of Dredd sailing pretty close to torture in the strip, and executions more recently than that.
After the bombs has depictions of one of the Total War lot obviously been beaten rather than just drugged.
The reason for not executing or stringing it out is more to do with keeping interesting characters around, Orlok, PJ Maybe etc. than anything soft on the part of Justice Department.
As for the slomo bit, I read it as Dredd using it to help delay the detonator rather than something vindictive.
Look at the Apoc' War, Dredd and other Judges herd Sov sympathisers into a pit and execute the lot. Having him punch and headbutt a suspect in order to gain possibly critical information is small fry by comparison.
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Possibly, but its not explicit
Thats one of the things i liked best about this film, nothing much was made explicit.
But one thing we can be sure of is that Dredd
is a fascist, ;)
(I know some people didnt like this film version of Dredd, as Dredd, for them, was stories like Citizen Snork, Dave the Orangutan et al - altogether more gentler fare. Though this side of the strip is perhaps long gone, to a degree).
Don't get me wrong, I think it works OK for the world the film is making - but I also think it misses a trick about the character, or at least makes him more generic action hero than the Dredd of the comics. I dont think that the 30 year old strip was aimed at making Dredd a more kiddy friendly character, but more extreme (in an interesting rather than violent way). Cutting those interesting angles off him seems a bit of a waste - after all, you dont need CGI and a big budget to implement those kind of things... It would be interesting to see if there is a comparative Wagner "beat em up" moment from Dredd in recent years?
AS for the slomo, it only slows perceptions, so Im not sure what help it would be in terms of controlling her heartbeat... theres no on screen explanation, so as a fan, I would look for and embrace a "non sadistic" reason...
Anyway, its a great film outside those gripes - loved seeing the old style Janet Shepherd logo in 3D...For one second I thought we were going to get Dredds classic speech at the end - "400 million cits, each a potential criminal. The most evil, violent city on earth - But by God, I love it".. probably wouldnt ahve fitted very well though!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 19 September, 2012, 04:57:17 PM
Last night, at the point where Ma Ma tells him about the detonator, the guy behind me said "Stun" a couple of times in a "this is a stupid plot hole" kind of way.
It did make me think for a moment that Stun would have made sense, but I think the point was that Dredd had sentenced her already and there was no way he wasn't going to carry that out, so Stun just wasn't an option to him. That, or the ammo he picked up didn't have any of the special ammo types in it.
He was pretty much at the end of his tether with mama and like you said had already sentenced her to death and i think he wanted to give her a taste of her own medicine quite literally plus also i think the reason why kay near the begging of the movie say`s they should give the three guys who get skined and thrown to their deaths some slomo is because it must slow the heart rate down and maybe stop you from cardiac arresting on the way down so you dont black out before hitting the bottom and dredd i think picks up on this when he investigates the bodys he clocks that they had been using slomo
Quote from: Leigh S on 20 September, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think it works OK for the world the film is making - but I also think it misses a trick about the character, or at least makes him more generic action hero than the Dredd of the comics. I dont think that the 30 year old strip was aimed at making Dredd a more kiddy friendly character, but more extreme (in an interesting rather than violent way). Cutting those interesting angles off him seems a bit of a waste - after all, you dont need CGI and a big budget to implement those kind of things... It would be interesting to see if there is a comparative Wagner "beat em up" moment from Dredd in recent years?
AS for the slomo, it only slows perceptions, so Im not sure what help it would be in terms of controlling her heartbeat... theres no on screen explanation, so as a fan, I would look for and embrace a "non sadistic" reason...
Anyway, its a great film outside those gripes - loved seeing the old style Janet Shepherd logo in 3D...For one second I thought we were going to get Dredds classic speech at the end - "400 million cits, each a potential criminal. The most evil, violent city on earth - But by God, I love it".. probably wouldnt ahve fitted very well though!
They did tone it down in the beginning.
The Courtroom script and the Bank Raid strip being rejected, and censored strips so tone down the executioner aspect, also Dredd not killing Frankenstein 2 where it's pretty obvious that was the original intention.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
...also Dredd not killing Frankenstein 2 where it's pretty obvious that was the original intention.
Oh, Lor. ::) 'He makes the original Frankenstein look like a jelly baby!'
True enough, though only Bank Raid is Wagner, and its not the same strip that Dredd became - toning it down for the kids has been partly the reason the strip evolved in the way it did, and it was all the more interesting for it I'd say. If Dredd had stayed Bank Raid/courtroom Dredd, he would not have been the character he is - for all we know the strip may well have bombed on that portrayal.
As I say, as fans, we can try to equate screen Dredd with comic dredd by saying he's in an extreme situation and hes tryiong to stop the bomb go off... but as a non fan, and going off the screen info only, you would just see him as being vindictive in that final scene and assume executing perps on the spot was standard practice - for me screen Dredd does differ quite markedly in these respects from comic Dredd, for good or ill. A Democracy sequel could use these 'harsher' elements as added fodder...but I would have liked Dredd to retain some of that comic book feel personally, as it adds a lot more depth and contradiction to the Judges than what we see - Judges having that code of conduct even in the face of absolute chaos... its a good avenue to differentiate the Judges as an almost religous... (not the right word but...) order - something more than just unaccountable police
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 20 September, 2012, 04:11:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think it works OK for the world the film is making - but I also think it misses a trick about the character, or at least makes him more generic action hero than the Dredd of the comics. I dont think that the 30 year old strip was aimed at making Dredd a more kiddy friendly character, but more extreme (in an interesting rather than violent way). Cutting those interesting angles off him seems a bit of a waste - after all, you dont need CGI and a big budget to implement those kind of things... It would be interesting to see if there is a comparative Wagner "beat em up" moment from Dredd in recent years?
AS for the slomo, it only slows perceptions, so Im not sure what help it would be in terms of controlling her heartbeat... theres no on screen explanation, so as a fan, I would look for and embrace a "non sadistic" reason...
Anyway, its a great film outside those gripes - loved seeing the old style Janet Shepherd logo in 3D...For one second I thought we were going to get Dredds classic speech at the end - "400 million cits, each a potential criminal. The most evil, violent city on earth - But by God, I love it".. probably wouldnt ahve fitted very well though!
They did tone it down in the beginning.
The Courtroom script and the Bank Raid strip being rejected, and censored strips so tone down the executioner aspect, also Dredd not killing Frankenstein 2 where it's pretty obvious that was the original intention.
85% on RT now :|
c'mon America,love it.
If you'd told me a month ago that it would be at 85% I'd have been ecstatic. We've been spoilt by the +90%'s. :D
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 20 September, 2012, 06:53:39 PM
If you'd told me a month ago that it would be at 85% I'd have been ecstatic. We've been spoilt by the +90%'s. :D
I'm fine with 85 just don't want it to drop anymore.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 20 September, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Look at the Apoc' War, Dredd and other Judges herd Sov sympathisers into a pit and execute the lot. Having him punch and headbutt a suspect in order to gain possibly critical information is small fry by comparison.
Not the same thing. Mega-City One was at war. Ma-Ma's just another perp.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 20 September, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
But one thing we can be sure of is that Dredd is a fascist, ;)
Authoritarian ;)
Quote from: Dandontdare on 19 September, 2012, 06:32:12 PMMight have been a giveaway though as he has to shout BOOTKNIFE every time.
LOL, imagine the gun saying "Out of ammo" when he shouts "Boot Knife" :P
I was wondering that, however... and did he ever say "Creep?" I could only afford to see it once and can't remember that. I mean, even in THAT movie, Stallone calls some SJS creep a, well, "CREEP!"
No 'creep' this time around, im afraid. :(
Hey we got a 'Happy Birthday, Creeps!', stop whining. :D
We had Perps :D
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 20 September, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
Hey we got a 'Happy Birthday, Creeps!', stop whining. :D
This, creeps!
I'm hoping they don't put drokk/creeps etc in any potential future sequels. Very happy they didn't put it in now. Put it in graffiti, sure, but not said, just for the simple fact it sounds stupid. Even frak in BSG lingo is walking a fine line and I'm of the view it's walking on the wrong side of the line.
I'd like to hear a meathead.
I think jargon worked really well, the meatwagons, resyk, iso cube, juve cube.
I don't miss Drokk - but if you're going to go for that, you have to commit and not just throw it in once.
Even in the strip we've had fugging and freaking crop up instead of drokk.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 20 September, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
I'm hoping they don't put drokk/creeps etc in any potential future sequels. Very happy they didn't put it in now. Put it in graffiti, sure, but not said, just for the simple fact it sounds stupid. Even frak in BSG lingo is walking a fine line and I'm of the view it's walking on the wrong side of the line.
^This.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 09:28:01 PM
I don't miss Drokk - but if you're going to go for that, you have to commit and not just throw it in once.
Even in the strip we've had fugging and freaking crop up instead of drokk.
Have no problem with Joe Cit being a sweary fucker but, with fifteen years' training, I sure as drokk expect a Judge to exert more self-control.
Couldn't give a Drokk about Drokk! But a Creep would be nice! :D
Quote from: dweezil2 on 20 September, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Couldn't give a Drokk about Drokk! But a Creep would be nice! :D
Stomm, yeah :) Dredd without Creep is like Alpha without #4 or Anderson without psi; it's one of his trademarks. I can understand relegating Drokk to a jacket, but Creep is a normal insult in the real world, so no reason not to use it; if the reason was paring Dredd's dialog down, it could have been worked in just the once, like Drokk/Resyk/Cubes were, perhaps by having Anderson say it (i.e., rookie in stress loses her cool and swears at a perp). Don't remember the happy birthday bit, where was that?
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
Well he should more often! ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
I don't think he's ever said "I am the Law" either. :P
Quote from: PreacherCain on 20 September, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
I don't think he's ever said "I am the Law" either. :P
He has said
creep just not lately and
I am the Law was said it in
the Cursed Earth.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 20 September, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
I don't think he's ever said "I am the Law" either. :P
I think he did say "beam me up Scotty" once though!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:53:15 PM
Quote from: PreacherCain on 20 September, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
I don't think he's ever said "I am the Law" either. :P
He has said creep just not lately and I am the Law was said it in the Cursed Earth.
I stand corrected. I always thought Dredd would use the royal 'we' when referring to the Law. A modest, humble man is our Joe.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 20 September, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
And building on this observation, it also has the female 'sidekick' character saving the life of the male lead.
On an unrelated Urban-themed note, did anybody else notice in the
Star Trek movie that pretty much every main crewmember saved Kirk's life (or his bacon, at least) at some point? Nice touch.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 21 September, 2012, 01:15:43 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:53:15 PM
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
I can't remember the last time Dredd said creep in the comic.
I don't think he's ever said "I am the Law" either. :P
He has said creep just not lately and I am the Law was said it in the Cursed Earth.
I stand corrected. I always thought Dredd would use the royal 'we' when referring to the Law. A modest, humble man is our Joe.
Methinks thou art 'Taking Ze Piss'.
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found a nice interview with ALEX GARLAND
linki
http://www.craveonline.com/film/interviews/196247-hes-not-a-superhero-alex-garland-on-dredd-3d-
Oh dear.. The states went to midnight screenings and it's plummeted to 80% on RT..
..In fairness, I haven't been keeping an eye on RT lately..
Michaelvk
yeah
RT started off really high think thats why it feels bad now. " but keep the faith"
Dredd has a fan base, i personally think we will all be surprised by the amount dredd3d make's in the UK, never mind the rest of the world..... f#ck America
i keep emailing friends facebookin trying to get folk to go instead of waiting for the DVD B/ray
watch out for illegal copies ,from NOW on the internet .. report to your local sector house (copyright protection) appropriate authorities lets keep this in cinemas . . . . . . .
BOB
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 September, 2012, 07:46:47 AM
Oh dear.. The states went to midnight screenings and it's plummeted to 80% on RT..
Americunts.
There's a weekly film discussion thread at work where we spend days breaking down TDKR or Prometheus or whatever, and this week all anyone has been talking about is DREDD. None of these people have any experience of the comic, but whereas every other film that gets brought up gets torn apart and has every little inconsistency and plot hole given a kicking, no-one has a single bad thing to say about DREDD and everyone is absolutely raving about it.
Being the only fan of the comics I'm being hit with all sorts of questions (how do does such and such work in the comics, how did the judges come about etc.) and it's really nice that the things that aren't explained in the film aren't being picked apart as inconsistencies or plot holes, but are really hooking people into the universe itself.
One colleague mentioned that the film left her thinking about the moral ambiguity of Dredd and the justice system in general, I mentioned that it's been inferred in the comics that the judges were a post-war stop-gap but wouldn't relinquish power, mentioned all the democracy stuff and that aspect of it seems to have hooked people big time and they want to read more.
Wasn't too sure what to recommend, so I loaned them America to pass around and suggested Democracy Now and Origins would be good bets. Just feels awesome that this thing I love and rattle on about is being so warmly embraced. Man, I love this movie.
I 'liked' the Expendables 2 page on FB and they put up a Dredd pic with all the poster quotes etc butsome of the comments on there were shockingly small minded,on about boycotting the 'remake' Stallone forever etc...fucking idiots.
Sad to see this down to 58 now on metacritic. The americans don't get it it seems.
20's from the new York papers seems bloody harsh. It's wasted on them.
Hard to see it getting anywhere mear enough money for a sequel then with these reviews. Bloody shame.
Bad reviews never stopped 5 Resident Evil films.
No that's very true. They had the brand though, I just fear Dredd doesn't have that in the US. Fingers crossed though.
New York officially hates a Judge Dredd movie that cross-pollinates Escape From New York and The Warriors
Drown in a skinny latte Guiliani
Quote from: Dirty Sanchez on 21 September, 2012, 09:01:01 PM
New York officially hates a Judge Dredd movie that cross-pollinates Escape From New York and The Warriors
Drown in a skinny latte Guiliani
...and strangle yourself with a bagel.
Woooooo hoooooo, just back, finally, finally got to see it.
Many many, many thoughts, including a few minor quibbles, but I need to let them ferment for a while, so just some surface observations for tonight:
Overall Highlight: Urban is Judge Dredd. JUDGE DREDD. Never doubted it was him from the first shot to the last. Amazing performance, amazing costume.
Favourite dialogue: The elevator exchange: "He's thinking about taking your gun". "Yeah". Brilliant.
Favourite action scene: The Gatling/Tracer guns. Audacious, relentless.
Favourite thing: The absolutely solid, convincing, cohesive look of everything. The Lawgiver was a thing of pure, refined beauty (I want one): a character in itself. The graffiti. The residents. The clan. Peachtrees itself. The City.
Thing that surprised me most: How cleverly fleshed out almost every speaking part was, wasn't really expecting that.
Enjoy it? Of course I enjoyed it!
Oh man. Glad you like it, TB. This pleases me.
Now that's great post, TB!
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Quote from: dweezil2 on 20 September, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Couldn't give a Drokk about Drokk! But a Creep would be nice! :D
Stomm, yeah :) Dredd without Creep is like Alpha without #4 or Anderson without psi; it's one of his trademarks. I can understand relegating Drokk to a jacket, but Creep is a normal insult in the real world, so no reason not to use it; if the reason was paring Dredd's dialog down, it could have been worked in just the once, like Drokk/Resyk/Cubes were, perhaps by having Anderson say it (i.e., rookie in stress loses her cool and swears at a perp). Don't remember the happy birthday bit, where was that?
Umm, doesn't Ma-Ma throw in a sly, " creep" when she's ordering the death of Dredd?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 21 September, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Oh man. Glad you like it, TB. This pleases me.
And me. Mr Back articulated many of the things I found pleasing more concisely and more expressively than I could have (or did) manage. Pleased you made it to a showing, sir. :-)
Cheers
Jim
Just got back, loved it! Very strong film, has a bit of an oldschool crime movie vibe, and maybe a bit of a John Carpenter vibe too. More of a violent cop movie than a straight action movie, which is a bit unique in recent years. And of course the cool sci-fi touches, and especially how well and imaginatively Anderson's psi abilites spiced thing up.
Of course most important is how perfectly they did Dredd! Kudos to Urban and everyone else. They just nailed it, and watching his character do his thing and be put into any situation is entertaining. Plus great how Anderson gives us another avenue to access these situations emotionally. Getting those two right is the most excellent.
One thing I did find slightly curious is how Dredd didn't tell Anderson she passed. And she didn't seem to psychically know she passed either, since she gave him her badge. Dredd is "ol stony face" so how they did it does work, but he's usually there to give a colleague credit after an ordeal as well, especially Anderson.
Still, I love how it ends with the bleak and badass feel that this is just another day on the job, like in the books.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 16 September, 2012, 09:15:13 AMI particularly love the fact that Dredd gives a five word summary of the entire movie at the end, with that perfect pause before the final "...uncooperative."
Concurred, that bit was classic. Sums Dredd up perfectly, excellent stuff.
As for posts that Dredd saying creep in a sequel wouldn't sound good, personally I think that'd sound fine. Dirty Harry says creep, it's not like audiences would find it odd. I'd dig it. As for drokk, I'd be fine with that too, but since they're going for real life profanity I can see why they wouldn't go drokk. But if he just happened to say it while ducking from an explosion or during action, I doubt nonscots would think much of it. :D
One random note, I love the title card. Or title reveal, just the cool Dredd font smashing forward, had a fun kind of comics punk feel to it.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 18 September, 2012, 10:27:59 AMReally like the way Dredd doesn't come across as a 'superhero' with a reputation. He has a name with other judges but doesn't seem to with cits / perps. None of that: it's Judge Dredd coming to save the day BS.
I disagree there, though it worked fine in this movie. I don't think it's BS though, after all he's done he really is a huge figure in his city, it makes sense everyone knows him in the books. In this movie's universe I'd think criminals would know his name after what just happened, plus he said his name and gave the whole block a warning. So for sequels, I think that element would be there.
As for alterations to the movie, one thing I remember hearing was in the movie, whether in the script or what, was Dredd shooting through a bystander non-fatally to hit a perp, and saying "you'll be fine" or similar. I assume that's the part that was changed to the hot-shot part? Still, the hot shot bit was great. Maybe a beat to use in a sequel.
Anyways, great movie, as a fan it's great to finally have it out there, and in recent talk it's great to finally see it and read other's thoughts on it after the two weeks. Goods, delivered! Here's hoping we get many sequels, the potential is limitless.
REVIEW
C.M.R.
http://www.current-movie-reviews.com/41307/dredd-3d-2012-review-stallone-should-be-jealous-of-this-masterpiece/
I wouldn't normally do this, but someone who isn't allowed on this forum anymore just poted their detailed review of the film in IMDB. Any help in getting rid of him, so he can't peddle distortions and inaccuracies like this there, would be appreciated:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/204833953 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/204833953)
Quote from: bikini kill on 22 September, 2012, 11:22:48 PM
I wouldn't normally do this, but someone who isn't allowed on this forum anymore just poted their detailed review of the film in IMDB. Any help in getting rid of him, so he can't peddle distortions and inaccuracies like this there, would be appreciated:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/204833953 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/board/flat/204833953)
I thought that was actually pretty well thought out, apart from one vital ingredient. He clearly had not watched the film. Dredd is solid. Originality has nothing to do with a good film, and if it did, Dredd is original anyway. The best film ever made according to something (can't remeber what) is Vertigo, which is based on a book anyway. Originality is bullshit, it's what each artist makes of the same scenario that makes it different.
Here is a quote from a great director called Jim Jarmusch, who probably stole this quote anyway, but you get the point.
"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don't bother concealing your thievery - celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: "It's not where you take things from - it's where you take them to."
I did have more points but it's taken me about half an hour to do this so I am gonna quit while I feel like a genius.
Also, I didn't see who said it, but saw it mentioned above. Who ever thinks Dredd calling someone a creep wouldn't fit in a sequel should kill themselves.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 20 September, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
I'm hoping they don't put drokk/creeps etc in any potential future sequels. Very happy they didn't put it in now. Put it in graffiti, sure, but not said, just for the simple fact it sounds stupid. Even frak in BSG lingo is walking a fine line and I'm of the view it's walking on the wrong side of the line.
OK now I've found the culprit. Are you insane?
Okay this has some real interesting sections. not all positive, Dont flame me :(
its from the guy that s on the BBC film reviews Mark Kermode - Dredd
radio report no video..
http://youtu.be/tknJUPcxoRM
okay ... you know what pisses me off with every ""STOOPID"" reviewer is the kneed for COMPARISON to THE RAID
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 23 September, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
Also, I didn't see who said it, but saw it mentioned above. Who ever thinks Dredd calling someone a creep wouldn't fit in a sequel should kill themselves.
Ummm... going slightly too far there, I think.
Quote"Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don't bother concealing your thievery - celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: "It's not where you take things from - it's where you take them to."
Awesome quote, and I can illustrate it with an example. Has anyone seen any of Rob Paravonian's stuff? He did a great sketch called 'Pachelbel Rant' about how much he hates Pachelbels Canon in D. It's because people rip off the chord structure so often. He then proceeds to do a very funny medley of famous pop songs, from the Beatles to Avril Lavigne, using that chord structure.
I pointed this sketch out to my harp tutor, as we were working on Canon in D at the time. She thought the sketch was very funny, but commented that Pachelbel had ripped off the chord structure himself from a piece of 14th century Welsh folk music!!!
So yeah, don't get hung up on whether something is original or not. 99% of the time it won't be. However, it's how the plagiarism is used that's important, and I think in Dredd we can all agree it is used to superb effect.
:)
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 September, 2012, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 23 September, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
Also, I didn't see who said it, but saw it mentioned above. Who ever thinks Dredd calling someone a creep wouldn't fit in a sequel should kill themselves.
Ummm... going slightly too far there, I think.
Sorry, I thought I was being really funny at the time.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 23 September, 2012, 10:38:40 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 September, 2012, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 23 September, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
Also, I didn't see who said it, but saw it mentioned above. Who ever thinks Dredd calling someone a creep wouldn't fit in a sequel should kill themselves.
Ummm... going slightly too far there, I think.
Sorry, I thought I was being really funny at the time.
Ah, fair enough... maybe a smiley would have helped!
Quote from: junox on 23 September, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
Okay this has some real interesting sections. not all positive, Dont flame me :(
its from the guy that s on the BBC film reviews Mark Kermode - Dredd
radio report no video..
http://youtu.be/tknJUPcxoRM
okay ... you know what pisses me off with every ""STOOPID"" reviewer is the kneed for COMPARISON to THE RAID
Yeah, I listened to that when it was first broadcast - I looked up Robert Z'Dar - he may as well be talking about casting Rocky Dennis, it would be ridiculous.
The terrible comparisons to the Raid and it being light on its feet - It's Dredd, not Pineapple Dance Studios.
There just seems to be this unshakable perception, wildly inaccurate and uninformed as it is, among the majority that Dredd '3D' represents some kind of nadir in popular culture - a REMAKE of a woefully unpopular Stallone film, IN 3D!
They always had an uphill battle to sell this movie, and it seems like nothing short of a massive media blitz would have done anything to change that (then the movie would have had to recoupany times more).
I fully expect Dredd to have a RELATIVELY strong second week, but it'll be too little too late.
A cult hit it is. And as others have said, we got a smashing film out of it, that will ultimately do a world of good for the Dredd brand in the long term. But I feel genuinely upset and frustrated at this latest development, this film is so close to my heart, not least because of the fan screening and meeting Alex etc, it's really sad that this is the result after all the build up.
Sorry, that was meant for the box office thread! Whoops.
DREDD might be affected by bad timing you could argue. The Raid effectively raided both DREDD's plot and publicity thunder. Since it was a surprise hit comparisons were inevitable. Releasing the Film later in November might have been better but no matter what time you released the DREDD Movie two similar Films with similar sounding plots would have been compared. Generally the reviews appear to favour The Raid with it's inventive martial arts orientated fight scenes. So strike one against DREDD I'm afraid.
I don't think there's a lot you could do about that since DREDD a medium sized Film would have been lost amongst the Summer Blockbuster of Avengers, DKR etc so release it in the Fall seemed like the right idea.
People who didn't turn out to see Dredd didn't turn out to see the Raid either.
Dredd will have made more at the US Box-Office this weekend than the Raid made worldwide.
Let's hope so. Maybe DREDD will be a grower gathering momentum rather than landing with a big splash.
Saw Dredd in 3D Friday night. Loved it. I loved the run down condition of Peach Trees block. It kept my attention from beginng to end. I loved the dark humor, action, and the banter between Dredd and Anderson. I've been hyping this movie up to friends and coworkers, seems that I've make no mistake. Even if we don't see part 2, I'm glad they gave this one.
critter
I'm somewhat disappointed. As a bog standard cops vs gangs in a slum type film it was pretty good. As a Dredd film it was merely OK.
I have to admit that I was expecting to be disappointed the moment I found out that it was only in 3D, I mean, black uniformed characters chasing grungy perps in dark coridoors all viewed through the medium of dark tinted specs? what were they thinking? And it cost £2 more for the priveledge of this 'dark vision'.
Perhaps if they hadn't spent money on 3D they might have had some left over for the sets which were distinctly unfuturistic. When I first saw a picture of the uniform I thought "Ah-Ha they are going back to issue one" but sadly I was wrong, they went all the way back to before the look was ever conceived. The Stallone Dredd may have been painfully wrong but at least it looked right, eg no VW microbus's on ground level highways, Lawmasters with more than just an extended cowling etc, etc.
Anderson, Psi Division. No sign of her anywhere, just this mutant creep who might be useful to the judges.
Drokking hell, what about the foul language?
In summary, I thought the Dredd and Anderson characters were well played, although at times I felt that Dredd was excessively talkative, the villains were believable if overoptimistic. There was a nice bit of indiscriminate carnage and a satisfying ending with no snogging.
The story had a few massive plot holes (in common with every other action film). I got very confused with which version of Dredd and which time period was being portrayed (this wouldn't concern someone who hadn't been reading Dredd from issue one, it did bother me).
MC1 looked like exactlylike what it was - a cut and paste pastiche of 20th century city centres (Jo-burg and Capetown I believe) - and nothing like the futuristic megacity that we have all come to know and love. The vehicles were a joke, including the lawmasters, and the megablocks were simply too small.
Interesting!
Could you explain why you thought Dredd was 'excessively talkative' as I found his use of commands and instructions spot on, short, clear and direct!
You mention that the debacle that was Stallones utter dirge looked right and then quote that it didn't have 'VW microbus's on ground level highways, Lawmasters with more than just an extended cowling etc, etc.' Care to elucidate! The Stallone Lawmaster was an absolute joke, in performance and sound. You can't just mention one thing and then go etc, etc...
You also mention plot holes, could you list all those as well instead of just saying that!
You say that it was only in 3D, from what I gather, there are showings of it in 2D, so that statement in incorrect.
Now I'm not having a go at you but you mention things and then don't back them up.
Quote from: chuckwallah on 24 September, 2012, 01:34:57 AMAnderson, Psi Division. No sign of her anywhere, just this mutant creep who might be useful to the judges.
Drokking hell, what about the foul language?
In summary, I thought the Dredd and Anderson characters were well played, although at times I felt that Dredd was excessively talkative
Everybody has different taste, so while I love the movie I can see why you might not dig the focus on one gang encounter and the less farout sci-fi look.
But this bit I quoted, not sure what you mean. For one why say Anderson is a creep? She's a very compassionate, kind Judge and she's a rookie, less confident and humorous than often in the books but still a lot of her character I'd say. Plus then you say she was well played, so not quite getting the criticism on her part there.
Also saying Dredd was excessively talkative seems odd, he speaks less often in the movie than he does in the comics. There probably hasn't been a less talkative protagonist since Charles Bronson in Once Upon A Time In The West.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 24 September, 2012, 01:53:07 AM
You mention that the debacle that was Stallones utter dirge looked right
To be fair, complaints about the Lawmaster aside, the Stallone movie has one of the better looking stylized sci-fi future cities, pretty much in movie history. If that movie did one thing right, for me it did that right.
I've always said that the skyline (note I don't say streets, as they look just like normal streets) and the Angel Gang were superb in that turd of a movie. Everything else was a big pile of the steaming kind!
I disagree personally, take the Block War scene, the sets and look of the cits and the city in general to me is a very very cool comic sci-fi stylized city. Plus I actually like the movie, but that's talk for another thread I know. :D
everyone... . . " cheer up "
here's a cool comic group podcast
MMM Podcast, Episode 89:
http://www.modernmythmedia.com/2012/09/mmm-podcast-episode-89-dredd-roundtable/
Quote from: chuckwallah on 24 September, 2012, 01:34:57 AM...and the megablocks were simply too small.
Oh come on! If anything, the blocks were
bigger than the comic equivalent. You make some fair points, but that one is daft: the scale of the blocks, and the terrifying scale of the city itself, was conveyed perfectly.
MC-1 may not have been the high-SF flange-topped skyline of (some of) the comics, but it was a frighteningly convincing urban dystopia: what a post-apocalyptic spawl of almost a billion souls
would be like. Can't you just see that place emerging from the chaos of Dredd and Rico's first night on the streets in
Origins?
Coming back to the VW microbuses, I confess that since Friday's viewing my
Ford Fiesta Lawmaster has been merrily machine gunning the tires of many a Transit van as I weave fearlessly through the school run traffic. "I'm taking them down". BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA (and maybe a PZZOOOO for good measure).
Quote from: TordelBack on 24 September, 2012, 09:53:40 AM
Coming back to the VW microbuses, I confess that since Friday's viewing my Ford Fiesta Lawmaster has been merrily machine gunning the tires of many a Transit van as I weave fearlessly through the school run traffic. "I'm taking them down". BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA (and maybe a PZZOOOO for good measure).
Hahahha! I've been doing exactly the same on my pushbike, at every car that cuts me up!
'Dredd to Control: clean-up squad and meatwagon required for Newport Road MegWay - 3 for Resyk!'
:lol:
I overheard Alex saying something about the tech, which went a way to explain away some of the 'retroness'..
Basically, he said that he reckons that like in any big city there are areas which are massive shitholes where all the latest and greatest stuff hasn't filtered down yet. This goes for civvie as well as law enforcement equipment. As this is more near future (how many 1950's Land Rovers are still kicking around, as well and 100 year old Colt 1911 .45's), there's a make-do-and-mend attitude, which means utilising old world equipment and vehicles.
Aye, and it makes perfect sense. There's been a deep-rooted split in the setup of MC-1 in the comics between a hi-tech pristine star-scraper city with flying cars and roof-gardens, and its role as an over-crowded post-apocalyptic hellhole. How do you manufacture mo-pads and hov-pods for 800 million people when most of the world is a smoking ruin? How do the 90% on Welf afford them? Why is the city so huge when everyone lives in kilometre-high 40K-population blocks? Answer (as in the comic) is that they don't.
It's absolutely consistent with the setup that some of the population are crammed into mega-blocks, while the rest live in sprawling pre-war buildings and shanties around them, the Low-Lifes, Cardboard Cities and Old Towns of the comic. It's consistent that there are hyper-tech handguns and shiny glass monoliths in the hands of the Judges, and AK-47s and minivans in the hands of the citizens. Fuzzy security cameras run by the gangs and sophisticated facial recognition systems run by the judges. This is the future, but one living, as Dredd's VO says, in the ruins of the Old World. I love the aesthetic, and I love how it represents both sides of the city as shown in the comic, the John Burns/Steve Dillon/Cam Kennedy side, and the Ron Smith/Carlos Ezquerra/Brian Bolland side. Much as I love to see cool SF vehicles and funky skyscrapers, I've already seen 'em: this, this is something new and real.
A couple of British podcasts on Dredd 3D
Cinematic Dramatic
http://www.geekplanetonline.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3613:cinematic-dramatic-4x12-dredd&Itemid=204 (http://www.geekplanetonline.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3613:cinematic-dramatic-4x12-dredd&Itemid=204)
Hypnobobs - A Beginners Guide To Judge Dredd with Dredd3d review.
http://www.geekplanetonline.com/hosting/originals/hypnobobs/?p=episode&name=2012-09-09_hypnobobs_93__the_beginners_guide_to_judge_dredd.mp3&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Hypnobobs+%28Hypnobobs%29 (http://www.geekplanetonline.com/hosting/originals/hypnobobs/?p=episode&name=2012-09-09_hypnobobs_93__the_beginners_guide_to_judge_dredd.mp3&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Hypnobobs+%28Hypnobobs%29)
I've now seen the film twice - once in 3D with a date and once in 2D on my own.
I preferred it in 2D, as I'm not a fan of 3D.
The film...was just okay for me. I found it entertaining to a point, though a bit frustrating here and there. The second viewing was a little better in some respects, a little worse in others.
I loved Urban as Dredd. But I felt there were a couple of real out-of-character instance that occured throughout the film (script's fault, not Urban's). The scene in which Dredd is caught off-guard by a pair of juves bothered me, as I can't believe Dredd in such a scenario would be anything but keenly aware of eveything around him; had those juves been hardened perps, Dredd would be Dedd. This sequence seemed only to serve a way to get Anderson captured. I also didn't much like Dredd's "judging" of Ma Ma. I felt the "real" Judge Dredd would never have tossed an immobile perp out a window, let alone actually use an illegal substance to aide in making that perp's fate more "tormenting". Didn't ring true for me.
I absolutely loved Olivia (Thrillby) Thirlby as Anderson, and found that she really took over the movie for me; I completely bought into her performance, and her transition from naive (or reluctant) cadet to judge was believable, from a vulnerable youth to perp-killer. Sure, she wasn't comic-book Anderson, but did she ever create a wonderful, memorable character.
The baddies, however, I found bland and boring. These guys were cooler in Robobcop or even Predator 2. Ma Ma wasn't really menacing to me, and I found myself wondering often how a drugged-out waif could possibly rise to the head of a multi-block drug cartel in this brutal world. Dredd's world really allows for unique (and fun) baddies...and to me, none of the baddies we got stuck out.
Whilst I was indifferent about Mega-City 1's appearance as near-future America, I did indeed enjoy the squalid run-down block interiors. That's fantastic set design.
I may see it again. I'll certainly buy the blu ray. I'm glad to have seen a Dredd film on the big screen (didn't bother to see the Stallone film in the cinema).
Yeah Locusts, some of your niggles are my niggles, my niggler. I do think Dredd's execution of Ma Ma is the only real moment where movie Dredd was incompatible with comic Dredd - but even then, not implausibly so. There have been times when the Law has been different, and this MC-1 seemed to fit the bill. I did however find it extremely cool, Ma Ma's descent through the scenes of her crimes being quite superb.
I also wondered if perhaps SPOILER FOR DAY OF CHAOS [spoiler]the Beeny resignation scene[/spoiler] in Day of Chaos might have been Wagner's reaction/clarification to the Dredd-beats-Kay classroom scene, which while well within how the character has been written from time to time, but still didn't sit quite right with me.
I actually bought Ma Ma as a ganglord, and a scary adversary. She seemed to succeed through a fey uncaring brutality, and her resigned fatalism towards the end really felt like a Judge Dredd villain to me - I was reminded of Nero Narcos, for example.
My main quibble was the events that spill out from the escape to the skate park. Dredd makes it clear on his radio that the situation is so serious he can't even wait there for backup. This seems to be at odds with the causalness with which Volt and Guthrie(?) just hang about at the front door waiting, given that we've just seen that a big gun and some hi-ex can breach the war-shielding
That said, that's a very few very minor niggles with a film that I thoroughly enjoyed. Remarkable for an adaptation of a property I so love.
It's interesting, it seems discussion of the movie itself has slowed down, while the box office topic is always getting new posts.
Anyways, anybody have thoughts on what I mentioned about the ending? Why do you think Dredd didn't tell Anderson she passed, instead letting her give him the badge and walk away? Typically in comics he would tell them they passed, and it's an interesting choice in that it doesn't five the audience a satisfying moment there between them as peers.
Though I do love how bleak the ending is, and how it captures that spirit of this being a neverending job. Great movie, seeing it again in just a couple hours.
Perhaps he had to inform his superiors first of her result and they would inform Anderson through the system!
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
It's interesting, it seems discussion of the movie itself has slowed down, while the box office topic is always getting new posts.
Anyways, anybody have thoughts on what I mentioned about the ending? Why do you think Dredd didn't tell Anderson she passed, instead letting her give him the badge and walk away? Typically in comics he would tell them they passed, and it's an interesting choice in that it doesn't five the audience a satisfying moment there between them as peers.
Though I do love how bleak the ending is, and how it captures that spirit of this being a neverending job. Great movie, seeing it again in just a couple hours.
As I sat in the cinema I assumed that Dredd did tell her she passed off-camera, actually, having made the decision while talking to the Chief Judge. We see Anderson with her helmet under her arm as she walks into the sunset, which was the first time we saw her helmet; I took that to be a symbol of her having achieved (and knowing she'd achieved) full eagle.
Did anyone else think this? :/
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 25 September, 2012, 07:56:46 PM
Perhaps he had to inform his superiors first of her result and they would inform Anderson through the system!
I don't see why Dredd wouldn't be allowed to tell her himself, especially since her handing him her badge and thinking she failed might prompt him to mention it. Plus in the books Dredd and Anderson often have a repoire and whatnot after a crisis.
Here, the movie is largely about her passing Dredd's test, and we don't get to see her reaction to passing, etc. And of course Wagner agreed that ending the movie on that note for her would be wrong, so they added in the digital stuff of her walking with a helmet.
Just saying, it's a curious choice I think.
Quote from: Aonghus on 25 September, 2012, 08:00:06 PM
As I sat in the cinema I assumed that Dredd did tell her she passed off-camera, actually, having made the decision while talking to the Chief Judge. We see Anderson with her helmet under her arm as she walks into the sunset, which was the first time we saw her helmet; I took that to be a symbol of her having achieved (and knowing she'd achieved) full eagle.
Did anyone else think this? :/
Well like you say, it's off camera, so we wouldn't know if he told her himself. And that that satisfying moment isn't there kind of represents a lot of the coldness of the film. Which I do find brave, just even while "ol stony face" I would've liked to see that.
I also took it, from Urbans body language etc, that when Anderson handed him her badge, he was still making his mind up. It was only when he was talking to the CJ that he finally decided.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
Anyways, anybody have thoughts on what I mentioned about the ending? Why do you think Dredd didn't tell Anderson she passed, instead letting her give him the badge and walk away? Typically in comics he would tell them they passed, and it's an interesting choice in that it doesn't five the audience a satisfying moment there between them as peers.
I see that end-scene as an
inversion of the conclusion to
Dirty Harry where Harry throws his badge and dismisses the system he no longer has faith in, into the river.
In
Dredd, instead of a badge being thrown away, Anderson hands (throws) her badge to Dredd. Unlike Harry Callaghan
throwing the problem away, Dredd accepts the problem -
the alternative possibility that Anderson has awoken in him - by keeping the badge. The dramatic point of that scene ends ultimately with Dredd as he's left to ponder Anderson's badge and what it represents: the possibility to
make a difference rather than going through the motions of just
doing the job- a non-violent alternative/adjunct to
Instant Justice. An alternative he's never really considered.
Anderson's walk away is a
make your mind up, it's up to you moment. Ending with Anderson getting her 'full eagle' would've been a cliched (false) positive beat and would've ruined the open-ended, detached feeling Dredd is left with.*
I think there's also a circularity between this end scene and Anderson's intro in the briefing-room at the start of the film. Both the end and briefing scene contain the same three characters: Dredd, Chief Judge and Anderson. In the briefing, Anderson is told to scan and see and identify who Dredd is. She sees the control, the rage etc. but is stopped when she gets deeper and finds something which I believe is Dredd's deep-rooted sense of
doubt that is behind or part of his fierce sense of control. This is the Dredd
arc we get a hint of at the end, Dredd's consideration of his
doubts and Anderson's
make a difference when he's left to gaze at Anderson's badge.
*A new audience could also be left with the notion or possibility Anderson might refuse but that's not really important to this story as it still ends up coming back to and being, Dredd's film.
I think it was a really nice moment, he does look a little like he's still making his mind up, and when he looks up Anderson is refusing medical attention even after everything she'd been through. I kind of saw that as maybe a tipping point in the decision, but certainly a display that she's tough enough to make it. When you then see her graduated I get goosebumps, I really do. I think it's beautifully done.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
I see that end-scene as an inversion of the conclusion to Dirty Harry where Harry throws his badge and dismisses the system he no longer has faith in, into the river.
In Dredd, instead of a badge being thrown away, Anderson hands (throws) her badge to Dredd. Unlike Harry Callaghan throwing the problem away, Dredd accepts the problem - the alternative possibility that Anderson has awoken in him - by keeping the badge. The dramatic point of that scene ends ultimately with Dredd as he's left to ponder Anderson's badge and what it represents: the possibility to make a difference rather than going through the motions of just doing the job- a non-violent alternative/adjunct to Instant Justice. An alternative he's never really considered.
Anderson's walk away is a make your mind up, it's up to you moment. Ending with Anderson getting her 'full eagle' would've been a cliched (false) positive beat and would've ruined the open-ended, detached feeling Dredd is left with.*
I think there's also a circularity between this end scene and Anderson's intro in the briefing-room at the start of the film. Both the end and briefing scene contain the same three characters: Dredd, Chief Judge and Anderson. In the briefing, Anderson is told to scan and see and identify who Dredd is. She sees the control, the rage etc. but is stopped when she gets deeper and finds something which I believe is Dredd's deep-rooted sense of doubt that is behind or part of his fierce sense of control. This is the Dredd arc we get a hint of at the end, Dredd's consideration of his doubts and Anderson's make a difference when he's left to gaze at Anderson's badge.
*A new audience could also be left with the notion or possibility Anderson might refuse but that's not really important to this story as it still ends up coming back to and being, Dredd's film.
That is a good interpretation of the scene, I dig that. Though I disagree that showing her getting it and having a bit of repoure between Dredd and Anderson there would be cliche or a false positive. I agree that the bleakness works and is good to end on, showing how it never ends. But a little moment of rapport to end the Dredd/Anderson arc of the moment would not be cliche, since those moments do happen in Dredd, it wouldn't feel out of place in my opinion.
Though it is kind of interesting that you mention that, since happy endings are often considered cliche etc, but even the dark world of Dredd has little positive moments here and there. And I don't think that's cliche personally.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
Anyways, anybody have thoughts on what I mentioned about the ending? Why do you think Dredd didn't tell Anderson she passed, instead letting her give him the badge and walk away? Typically in comics he would tell them they passed, and it's an interesting choice in that it doesn't five the audience a satisfying moment there between them as peers.
I see that end-scene as an inversion of the conclusion to Dirty Harry where Harry throws his badge and dismisses the system he no longer has faith in, into the river.
In Dredd, instead of a badge being thrown away, Anderson hands (throws) her badge to Dredd. Unlike Harry Callaghan throwing the problem away, Dredd accepts the problem - the alternative possibility that Anderson has awoken in him - by keeping the badge. The dramatic point of that scene ends ultimately with Dredd as he's left to ponder Anderson's badge and what it represents: the possibility to make a difference rather than going through the motions of just doing the job- a non-violent alternative/adjunct to Instant Justice. An alternative he's never really considered.
Anderson's walk away is a make your mind up, it's up to you moment. Ending with Anderson getting her 'full eagle' would've been a cliched (false) positive beat and would've ruined the open-ended, detached feeling Dredd is left with.*
I think there's also a circularity between this end scene and Anderson's intro in the briefing-room at the start of the film. Both the end and briefing scene contain the same three characters: Dredd, Chief Judge and Anderson. In the briefing, Anderson is told to scan and see and identify who Dredd is. She sees the control, the rage etc. but is stopped when she gets deeper and finds something which I believe is Dredd's deep-rooted sense of doubt that is behind or part of his fierce sense of control. This is the Dredd arc we get a hint of at the end, Dredd's consideration of his doubts and Anderson's make a difference when he's left to gaze at Anderson's badge.
*A new audience could also be left with the notion or possibility Anderson might refuse but that's not really important to this story as it still ends up coming back to and being, Dredd's film.
Great take on the ending Joe!
From our propsmaster who sent this during the the crew screening about 10 minutes or so ago:
"Fucking awesome!!!!!!!!!!"
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
That is a good interpretation of the scene, I dig that. Though I disagree that showing her getting it and having a bit of repoure between Dredd and Anderson there would be cliche or a false positive. I agree that the bleakness works and is good to end on, showing how it never ends. But a little moment of rapport to end the Dredd/Anderson arc of the moment would not be cliche, since those moments do happen in Dredd, it wouldn't feel out of place in my opinion.
Though it is kind of interesting that you mention that, since happy endings are often considered cliche etc, but even the dark world of Dredd has little positive moments here and there. And I don't think that's cliche personally.
I think we all ready had that
moment (understanding) going down in the elevator. Anderson's walking away - without the badge - is a statement, as is her refusing medical help; the walking away wouldn't be the same if she'd just been given the pass, or badge.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
I think we all ready had that moment (understanding) going down in the elevator. Anderson's walking away - without the badge - is a statement, as is her refusing medical help; the walking away wouldn't be the same if she'd just been given the pass, or badge.
I do agree, and plus when Dredd says "You look ready" and stuff, we know she's earned his respect, even if it's largely unspoken. But the last interaction you leave on is often the one you take home. To show the opposite end, there's the very chummy and jokey way every Dredd/Anderson tale ends in the books, Death Lives, Necropolis, etc.
I know that'd be a stretch for the movie, but just illustrating the way it's done in the movie isn't the only good way to do it. But I do dig the ending.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 09:25:01 PM
I do agree, and plus when Dredd says "You look ready" and stuff, we know she's earned his respect, even if it's largely unspoken. But the last interaction you leave on is often the one you take home. To show the opposite end, there's the very chummy and jokey way every Dredd/Anderson tale ends in the books, Death Lives, Necropolis, etc.
I know that'd be a stretch for the movie, but just illustrating the way it's done in the movie isn't the only good way to do it. But I do dig the ending.
I know what you mean but to me that's kind of the start of
another story, I prefer if things aren't so spelled out or explicit as it's really about Dredd in the end.
Loving Joe's take, but I thought that Anderson handing Dredd her badge was her way of taking control of the situation. She was actively challenging him to change his views about the role of a Judge by passing her as she was (or at least as far down the road to Dreddassery as she had travelled over the course of the day), when by his previously-stated unbreakable rules she had already failed. (There's also the possibility that she already knew what he had decided, but I really don't think that's indicated in the movie-as-made).
OTOH having Dredd simply clap her on the back and say 'That'll do, futuristic proto-pig, that'll do' would have be horribly paternalistic and left him as the sole arbiter of what is right in the film - which as shown he definitely isn't. As executed, it made for a very powerful big-grin scene.
Mind you, I've only seen the lovely thing once. Something I aim to remedy ASAP.
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 September, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
Loving Joe's take, but I thought that Anderson handing Dredd her badge was her way of taking control of the situation. She was actively challenging him to change his views about the role of a Judge by passing her as she was (or at least as far down the road to Dreddassery as she had travelled over the course of the day), when by his previously-stated unbreakable rules she had already failed.
Yep, pretty much, and
giving him the arse was
the Anderson thing to do:
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Joe.Quote from: TordelBack on 25 September, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
(There's also the possibility that she already knew what he had decided, but I really don't think that's indicated in the movie-as-made).
I think she
read that he was in a bit of a funk so made like a tree. That's women for ya!
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 September, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
OTOH having Dredd simply clap her on the back and say 'That'll do, futuristic proto-pig, that'll do' would have be horribly paternalistic and left him as the sole arbiter of what is right in the film - which as shown he definitely isn't. As executed, it made for a very powerful big-grin scene.
So he hopped on his bike off to the boozer.
That is a really well thought out analysis of the end. I hadn't even considered looking into it that much.
I was really pleased with the end (well the whole the film, but as we are talking about the end), especially considering that in the leaked script I though it was a little off with the kiss and the A+ or whatever it was. This seemed more like something Dredd would do. I thought the final elevator scene was really great as well, the way Dredd was looking at Anderson and treating her wounds, even though you can't see his eyes, was a really nice touch. And the music was great.
It could have so easily gone really cheesy like at the end of so many action films but this held it together really well, and then with the main theme kicking back in and the bike... Perfection! :D
I have never left a cinema so content in my life.
Anyone who says Dredd doesn't have a character arc - or is even a character - is not paying attention.
Here is what my 'Knowledgable' friend left me on my facebook regarding his experience of seeing Dredd last night.
The background to this guy is he happened to end up going to The Raid Redemption by complete accident as I can only assume the movie he intended to see was full.
My friend came out of the cinema raving about the Raid and proclaiming it to be brilliant and I was well aware of The Raid due to the movie being mentioned months ago on the forum here.
In the meantime since I had urged friends on a night out to see Dredd and to see Dredd, everyone else enjoyed it but he had his typical response and made very public on my Facebook this evening.
Saw Dredd 3D tonight..... Well if I'm being charitable then i'll concede the special effects are good, the cinematography reasonably stylish and soundtrack is definitely punchy. However, that's about as far as the praise goes I'm afraid.
Contrary to XXXX's reassurances, the much hyped promise of gratuitous violence and frenetic action never materialised. In fact, the pacing is surprising sluggish and the action sequences are pedestrian and mundane when compared to its big brother "The Raid". I know, I know....is it fair to compare it to The Raid I hear you ask? Well, I venture it is....especially since both flicks share almost identical plots. However, where The Raid provides unrelenting action and pulsating suspense, Dredd merely offers fancy effects and not much else. The female villain in Dredd 3D is simply laughable, inspiring about as much menace as the sweet sucking, old fella in the Worthers original adverts. One may also detect the slight whiff of cheddar from the canned phrases uttered by Dredd from time to time. Whatsmore the "3D" effects that I shelled out extra for were actually fairly lame if truth be told.
No doubt committed fans who have emotionally invested and talked the talk for so long (cough...XXXX Casey) will not like hearing the truth. Like the school slacker who cogged your homework in maths class, this lazy effort unashamedly steals set pieces from past summer blockbusters at every turn. Lacking both invention and conviction the film is run-of-the-mill. Put simply, Dredd 3D relies heavily upon its cult credentials. There's nothing new to see here. Fans of the franchise will be happy with their lot, especially given the relative distance gained from Stallone's original, ham fisted offering. This is hardly something to boast about. For those who have seen the promised land that is "The Raid" there can be no looking back. Leaner, meaner and truly ground breaking, The Raid drop kicks this pretender of a film back to the kiddies playpen where it belongs. Taken on its own merits, I suppose Dredd is worth a watch. Is it the best film of the year? I think not......not by an order of magnitude. Maybe the mid rank mediocrity of it all could have been tolerated if not for its unforgivable anti-climatic ending. This is surely its greatest crime of all.
Judgement is served!
This guy is surely worthy of writing for Whatculture.com! :thumbsdown:
I'm currently drafting a response pointing out on several obvious points, and the false claim that it is the movie of year, when I claimed it was "My movie of the Year".
Someone on the forum had a great quote about originality in movies from older movies from a famous source, what was it and who said it?
Listen this is in good humour and I'd say his response is more to get a rise out of me.
Feel free to help me draft a very public response back to him and teach this pup a lesson.
In many ways Anderson is playing the America Beeny role.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 25 September, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
Here is what my 'Knowledgable' friend left me on my facebook regarding his experience of seeing Dredd last night.
The background to this guy is he happened to end up going to The Raid Redemption by complete accident as I can only assume the movie he intended to see was full.
My friend came out of the cinema raving about the Raid and proclaiming it to be brilliant and I was well aware of The Raid due to the movie being mentioned months ago on the forum here.
In the meantime since I had urged friends on a night out to see Dredd and to see Dredd, everyone else enjoyed it but he had his typical response and made very public on my Facebook this evening.
Saw Dredd 3D tonight..... Well if I'm being charitable then i'll concede the special effects are good, the cinematography reasonably stylish and soundtrack is definitely punchy. However, that's about as far as the praise goes I'm afraid.
Contrary to XXXX's reassurances, the much hyped promise of gratuitous violence and frenetic action never materialised. In fact, the pacing is surprising sluggish and the action sequences are pedestrian and mundane when compared to its big brother "The Raid". I know, I know....is it fair to compare it to The Raid I hear you ask? Well, I venture it is....especially since both flicks share almost identical plots. However, where The Raid provides unrelenting action and pulsating suspense, Dredd merely offers fancy effects and not much else. The female villain in Dredd 3D is simply laughable, inspiring about as much menace as the sweet sucking, old fella in the Worthers original adverts. One may also detect the slight whiff of cheddar from the canned phrases uttered by Dredd from time to time. Whatsmore the "3D" effects that I shelled out extra for were actually fairly lame if truth be told.
No doubt committed fans who have emotionally invested and talked the talk for so long (cough...XXXX Casey) will not like hearing the truth. Like the school slacker who cogged your homework in maths class, this lazy effort unashamedly steals set pieces from past summer blockbusters at every turn. Lacking both invention and conviction the film is run-of-the-mill. Put simply, Dredd 3D relies heavily upon its cult credentials. There's nothing new to see here. Fans of the franchise will be happy with their lot, especially given the relative distance gained from Stallone's original, ham fisted offering. This is hardly something to boast about. For those who have seen the promised land that is "The Raid" there can be no looking back. Leaner, meaner and truly ground breaking, The Raid drop kicks this pretender of a film back to the kiddies playpen where it belongs. Taken on its own merits, I suppose Dredd is worth a watch. Is it the best film of the year? I think not......not by an order of magnitude. Maybe the mid rank mediocrity of it all could have been tolerated if not for its unforgivable anti-climatic ending. This is surely its greatest crime of all.
Judgement is served!
This guy is surely worthy of writing for Whatculture.com! :thumbsdown:
I'm currently drafting a response pointing out on several obvious points, and the false claim that it is the movie of year, when I claimed it was "My movie of the Year".
Someone on the forum had a great quote about originality in movies from older movies from a famous source, what was it and who said it?
Listen this is in good humour and I'd say his response is more to get a rise out of me.
Feel free to help me draft a very public response back to him and teach this pup a lesson.
I don't think you should be that guys friend anymore. ;)
Regarding the originality quote thing, I posted one by Jim Jarmusch recently if that was the one you mean?
I love both Dredd and the Raid and both work well for different reasons but one of them in particular is a Judge Dredd film while the other, isn't.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
I love both Dredd and the Raid and both work well for different reasons but one of them in particular is a Judge Dredd film while the other, isn't.
Yup.
Quote from: TordelBack on 25 September, 2012, 10:19:35 PMOTOH having Dredd simply clap her on the back and say 'That'll do, futuristic proto-pig, that'll do' would have be horribly paternalistic and left him as the sole arbiter of what is right in the film - which as shown he definitely isn't.
While I agree with you gents that the scene works very well as is, I disagree that an alternative couldn't work just as well. I think it's safe to say if in this movie, in an alternate reality, Dredd said she passed and it was played a bit differently, I doubt most would mock it or find it out of place. Just sayin'.
Speaking of Dredd, just got back from my second time seeing it, still excellent. And my brother loved it too. So far everybody has, as my brother put it Dredd was "stoic as fuck". :D I think that sums him up well.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
While I agree with you gents that the scene works very well as is, I disagree that an alternative couldn't work just as well.
but would it be better than it all ready is?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 12:53:21 AMbut would it be better than it all ready is?
Well, like I say, I think it could be equally good. And for me, yes I think so. I love this movie, and will watch it many more times, but I don't think it's unchangeable in it's excellence. Actually, as rewatchable as it is, it would kind of add to it if they changed things every time I saw it actually. :P
Another thing occured to me, I stayed after the credits just because, why isn't there something completely random there? There should have been a cartoon of Judge Death saying "Hello kiddiesss! Did you enjoy the sssshow?" or something, would've been amazing.
Just sayin', if I had the platform to do whatever I wanted like these filmmakers, I wouldn't have missed that opportunity. :lol:
That's the stupidest idea I've heard all week.
"That'ssssss all folksssssss!" would be far more appropriate.
Just got back. Nearly two years of excitement build up, culminating to... it was pretty good I guess?
Stylistically I liked it. It really nailed the bleakness of Dredd and Mega City One. Great sound, solid acting. Great costuming. But I felt the 'Slow-Mo' scenes never really rose above being a 3D show-off gimmick, and the scenes that used it felt overly stretched out. Even beyond the necessity of demonstrating the effects of the drug.
I'm trying to articulate what exactly bothered me about the finished product. Have you ever watched an anime OVA that was high on one-sided action, thin on characterization, and a half hour too long? That's sort of the feeling I got watching Dredd 3D. The bad guys never felt like a threat, Ma-Ma herself lacked specific motivation or personality outside of the obvious and being a mirror-image of Dredd and Justice Department tactics. Pacing wise, it really feels like the movie only has two acts. The very brief opening outside, and an overly long 2nd act that takes an hour to reach a very short final confrontation.
Don't get me wrong, the movie has some really good moments. Urban's Dredd is nearly perfect (though I totally buy Dredd chucking a badguy off a 200th story balcony to get a radio device out of range of a rigged explosive. I'm not sure I buy him getting the person high first. I mean, the guy isn't above ironic punishments in the comic, but usually they're by the perp's own hand or foolishness), Thilby's Anderson made for a good rookie character, and her powers are used well. Her character definitely feels like she grows organically over the course of the adventure. And the movie does a good job of injecting a good dose of Judge Dredd pathos into the final product (Hottie House, Fatties, Iso-Cube, 6 different types of ammunition, etc...)
Overall its probably a solid first act to a potentially bigger sophomore showing that will probably never happen if the Box Office take doesn't start to improve. Don't get me wrong, its a solid action movie that is almost a call-back/love letter to 80s style exploitation action movies. And I won't say I was expecting 'more' because I knew exactly what the scale of the movie was going in, and in fact was relishing it's smaller scope. But there was just something off that itched at me the whole time I was watching it that kept it from being a Great experience. And merely a good one.
If there was one missed end of movie opportunity, it was that Dredd should have remounted his bike and said "Control. Dredd. Resumming patrol." and then drove off. Like this was an ordinary day for him.
I seem to have ruffled some feathers with my opinions so here are my responses to some of the squawks.
Dredds dialogue – ever heard of 'toungue in cheek'?
Anderson – I didn't say she was a creep, I said she was a mutant creep which is what the film said she was (I presume you are aware that Dredd calls everybody that isn't 100% kosher a creep?) I thought it was a very decent interpretation of Anderson, but the film definitely placed her in the position of barely tolerated outcast and I have no idea why they decided to do that.
Lawmasters – I don't think it's possible to judge the 'performance' of a vehicle shown in a film, only its look. As far as I am concerned the Stallone Lawmaster looked like it was straight from the comic. The bike in this film may have been an outstanding performer in real life but it just didn't have the overblown personality of a Lawmaster.
Plot holes – I'll mention just one, two judges standing outside the Peach Trees block like dummies waiting for something to happen and then giving way to a new group of judges without once contacting control for an update. Dredd would send this pair for the long walk no question.
3D – if anyone can tell me where there is a showing in 2D anywhere near where I live I will be very surprised. The answer is in the title "Dredd 3D". It's not just the extra cost and the having to wear sunglasses that I object to, many people just can't watch 3D, my wife got a severe headache.
Megablocks – IMHO they were too small, matter of opinion I think, or perhaps just a difference of favourite artist.
VW's – It wasn't just that there were old fashioned vehicles inhabiting the screen, it was the absence of any futuristic vehicles whatsoever. Everything on the roads looked like it was from the 70's.
Quote from: chuckwallah on 26 September, 2012, 01:47:53 AMVW's – It wasn't just that there were old fashioned vehicles inhabiting the screen, it was the absence of any futuristic vehicles whatsoever. Everything on the roads looked like it was from the 70's.
Dredd's monologue clearly states that we're seeing the remains of the old world in the shell of the new world. So I sort of got the impression that the atomic wars were only recently over, and the more advanced world of tomorrow was only just starting to emerge (Mega-Blocks being the most overt advancement). If we were to ever get a sequel (with more budget), I'd suspect we'd start to see a more futuristic world start to take over. Over-all I thought it struck at okay balance.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 September, 2012, 01:46:46 AM
If there was one missed end of movie opportunity, it was that Dredd should have remounted his bike and said "Control. Dredd. Resumming patrol." and then drove off. Like this was an ordinary day for him.
You didn't get that from "Drug bust"?
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 September, 2012, 01:45:11 AM
Just got back. Nearly two years of excitement build up, culminating to... it was pretty good I guess?
Just back from seeing it tonight myself and you've pretty much perfectly encapsulated my own thoughts.
I enjoyed watching it and there's nothing really bad about it but it didn't enthrall me and a 90 minute action movie which drags in places and contains no memorable action scenes isn't doing its job.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 01:53:56 AM
You didn't get that from "Drug bust"?
Good point. I did.
Quote from: chuckwallah on 26 September, 2012, 01:47:53 AM
Megablocks – IMHO they were too small, matter of opinion I think, or perhaps just a difference of favourite artist.
How much bigger than the normal buidings of today?
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I just want to say I love this forum. Haven't had much to say in regards to the movie on here. Been too busy selling it and defending it elsewhere but this is how a forum is supposed to run. Intelligent people discussing different viewpoints and opinions without anyone getting bent out of shape. Sorry of that sounds obvious. You're all a good shower.
Joe, I really enjoyed your take on the final scenes. For me the moment Dredd reconsiders Anderson's assessment is when she lets him have it after releasing Ma-Ma's technician. He doesn't argue against her insubordination and as she leaves to "finish this" he lingers for a split-second before following her. Great little moment and a testament to Urban that under the mask he can convey it.
Quote from: The Cosh on 26 September, 2012, 01:54:39 AM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 September, 2012, 01:45:11 AM
Just got back. Nearly two years of excitement build up, culminating to... it was pretty good I guess?
Just back from seeing it tonight myself and you've pretty much perfectly encapsulated my own thoughts.
I enjoyed watching it and there's nothing really bad about it but it didn't enthrall me and a 90 minute action movie which drags in places and contains no memorable action scenes isn't doing its job.
I highly recommend you and the Adventurer go and see it again.I actually enjoyed the film a lot more the second time round (and onwards).Having read Dredd for 35 years you naturally take a lot of baggage and expectation in with you, once they are checked to one side, I really appreciated the film more.There are some very good performances there ,with more subtleties than I picked up on first time round (not just the Easter Egggs).
Besides ,that is without question Dredd on the big screen ,how great is that?
PS Chuckwallah - That wasn't a plot hole -Lex was a more senior judge (20 years on the street) so they wouldn't question his authority in front of him by calling control would they?
Thanks BM. There's a lot of nice subtle stuff in there.
Here's 10 pages of positive buzz from bewildered people that showed up on a straight google search:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489365&page=10
People seem to really like this film, makes you wonder what the fuck is going on...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 03:25:46 AM
Thanks BM. There's a lot of nice subtle stuff in there.
Here's 10 pages of positive buzz from bewildered people that showed up on a straight google search:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489365&page=10
People seem to really like this film, makes you wonder what the fuck is going on...
Don't know what to say. The GF started working on Bob's Burgers this week and she said their crew was raving about Dredd...
Bring back the days when films stayed in cinemas for months!
A Canadian perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJEk3aXLjk8&feature=youtu.be&a
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 02:11:28 AM
How much bigger than the normal buidings of today?
Most of the criticisms of the movie are understandable, but this one I just don't get. The blocks are breathtakingly huge, bigger by far than the usual depiction in the comic, and that size is brilliantly conveyed in some of the most striking images of the film. Despite having watched the trailer a thousand times, that opening intro left me with my mouth hanging open: there's a much better sense of scale and mass than in other more ornate future cities, like Coruscant or Fifth Element Noo Yawk, much closer to the impression of looming monumentality you get as Deckard's cruiser climbs up over the Tyrell building in Bladerunner. It's a very fine bit of SF urban design.
Damnit, I have to go see it again before it's too late.
Double post, sorry about that WHERE'S THE EDIT BUTTON, but I meant to add:
Peachtrees alone contains the entire population of my 'beloved' home of Tallaght - every single scobie and skanger and slapper (and the odd squaxx dek Thargo) crammed into the same building:the horror!
The depiction in the film makes it look like there's actually room for them and their hair extensions and fake tans. I still think that's the real achievement of the film's look: I can imagine living there, it makes horribly, horrible sense. Like The Square on Christmas Eve, only slightly less claustrophobic.
Here's something interesting, chaps..
South African crew members are generally a pretty jaded bunch, considering they generally work on bottom-of-the-barrel, straight to DVD/TV releases. Last night there was a crew screening, and every one I've seen on my FB feed loves it and are pretty vocal about it. That's not something you see every day.
I'm quite surprised that a crew screening has come so late in the day? Thought they'd get to see it earlier rather than later.
It's only being released there on the 28th, I think..
Well I saw this last night and its...just ok. Could've been better but could also have been much, much worse.
Things I liked are the design work on the judges, set etc. Some of the 3D was very impressive.
Plot was paper thin though and for an action movie there's nowt that stands out. No memorable villains either.
I would compare it to Predator 2* in that it's a film I've really looked forward to, thought was alright and will watch again in a few years when its on telly.
*at least it's not Highlander 2
Is it the prxoimity of buildings that people are thinking makes it look less like MC1? In the comic, the blocks often appear to be right on top of each other with roads linking them or winding between them at a very high level. It always looks busier.
My third viewing just reinforced flaws I've already mentioned (no fun in the City as a character) and I still don't get Dredd dispensing slo-mo at the end. People have given what they think is an interpretation of it but it all seems a bit ambiguous to me - not something I normally associate with Dredd.
I also have a problem with a lack of depth. I don't feel it's standing up to repeat viewings myself (I'm not interested in looking for easter eggs) like I felt other films I saw multiple times at the cinema did (Dark Knight, Fellowship of the Ring, Star Trek).
And as Cosh says; no memorable action sequences. No "Lobby from The Matrix", no "Building Site chase from Casino Royale", no "Lightsabre fight from Phantom Menace" - basically no stand out action sequence that people will rave about. NB: Not counting gore here.
That's a real shame, but I guess it's crazy to think everyone's going to love it, 2000AD fans or not.
I kind of get what everyone is saying about the application of salo-0mo at the end. It does seem a bit un-Dredd like. However, it doesn't really jar for me, as it's just a few seconds of an otherwise great film. It also gives us the poetic justice of Ma-Ma's execution - she slowly gets to see all the carnage her terrible decisions caused on the way down, and sees her own demise coming up painfully slowly.
I personally think it bears repeat viewings very well, and am considering an 8th trip to see it before it leaves the cinema.
QuoteNo "Lobby from The Matrix", no "Building Site chase from Casino Royale", no "Lightsabre fight from Phantom Menace"
...all films that cost
4-6 times what Dredd did. 'Spectacular' was never going to be an option for this film, though I'd argue that a few scenes are pretty damn memorable.
I really like the fact that the film is quotable without having a catchphrase rammed down your throat 'I noo you'd say that'
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 26 September, 2012, 12:56:31 PMI still don't get Dredd dispensing slo-mo at the end. People have given what they think is an interpretation of it but it all seems a bit ambiguous to me - not something I normally associate with Dredd.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 26 September, 2012, 02:04:33 PM
I kind of get what everyone is saying about the application of salo-0mo at the end. It does seem a bit un-Dredd like. However, it doesn't really jar for me, as it's just a few seconds of an otherwise great film.
You've all misled yourselves, This is not Joe Dredd - he's not even named - it's
...RICO DREDD.
I don't see why it bothers people that he gave her slo-mo before chucking her out of a window.
It's not something I could never see Dredd doing, and it looked awesome. Besides I think we can all agree that Dredd has a slight arc in this film, and by the end everything isn't as black and white for him as it was. Hence some poetic justice. Judgement time!
The only way I would have changed it, was to have it speed up right at the end so you feel the impact of the splat more. But, the face exploding was still stunning.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 26 September, 2012, 02:47:35 PM
The only way I would have changed it, was to have it speed up right at the end so you feel the impact of the splat more.
You are
Zack Snyder.
Quote from: TordelBack on 26 September, 2012, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 02:11:28 AM
How much bigger than the normal buidings of today?
Most of the criticisms of the movie are understandable, but this one I just don't get. The blocks are breathtakingly huge, bigger by far than the usual depiction in the comic, and that size is brilliantly conveyed in some of the most striking images of the film. Despite having watched the trailer a thousand times, that opening intro left me with my mouth hanging open: there's a much better sense of scale and mass than in other more ornate future cities, like Coruscant or Fifth Element Noo Yawk, much closer to the impression of looming monumentality you get as Deckard's cruiser climbs up over the Tyrell building in Bladerunner. It's a very fine bit of SF urban design.
Damnit, I have to go see it again before it's too late.
It's not just the effectiveness of the visuals, TB. It's the atmosphere those visuals create for the viewer. When we're introduced to MC-1's opening shots it's about as far from Coruscant or Fifth Element as you can get. This looks like a dead city. There's nothing vibrant or exciting or colorful about it like in the other movies. From the get-go the movie sells this as somewhere you would NOT want to live. For that reason alone, I love it. The movie really is that lean and stripped-down.
It's not much of a leap to think Max Rockatansky is driving around an incinerated Australia in a stripped-down V8 at the same time. Already said it but for me, the movie does a far better job of explaining why the Judges are needed than the comic ever did.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 26 September, 2012, 02:04:33 PM
That's a real shame, but I guess it's crazy to think everyone's going to love it, 2000AD fans or not.
I kind of get what everyone is saying about the application of salo-0mo at the end. It does seem a bit un-Dredd like. However, it doesn't really jar for me, as it's just a few seconds of an otherwise great film. It also gives us the poetic justice of Ma-Ma's execution - she slowly gets to see all the carnage her terrible decisions caused on the way down, and sees her own demise coming up painfully slowly.
I personally think it bears repeat viewings very well, and am considering an 8th trip to see it before it leaves the cinema.
Lemme know when, and I'll tag along..
Quote from: James Stacey on 26 September, 2012, 02:17:13 PM
I really like the fact that the film is quotable without having a catchphrase rammed down your throat 'I noo you'd say that'
The new one is not without it's cheese though, is it? 'As for you Ma-Ma - Judgement Time!' ::)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 September, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
Lemme know when, and I'll tag along..
Will do! Let's get some beers in after too!
Hells yeah..
If its an open invite I could sit through it again ;)
We could get a group together and send it out of the theatre on a high..
Quote from: Satanist on 26 September, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Well I saw this last night and its...just ok.
AH NEW YOU WEREGONNA SAY THAT!
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 26 September, 2012, 12:56:31 PMAnd as Cosh says; no memorable action sequences. No "Lobby from The Matrix", no "Building Site chase from Casino Royale", no "Lightsabre fight from Phantom Menace" - basically no stand out action sequence that people will rave about. NB: Not counting gore here.
A couple things, earlier I was pointing out I consider this more of a crime thriller, playing mostly on tension, and didn't think it's a straight action movie as some call it. Think, say, Escape from New York or Assault on Precinct 13. (Assault on Sector 13? :D) Those movies have action and lots of violence yes, but they're mostly known for having character and tension. That's more the kind of movie I think Dredd is.
And that said, personally I find the whole climax from Anderson escaping on to be much more enjoyable scenes than say the light saber fight from Phantom Menace.
"Climax from Anderson" :o
Where was this scene, and how did I miss it?
Quote from: The Zanti Misfit on 26 September, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
"Climax from Anderson" :o
Where was this scene, and how did I miss it?
Well played, well played. After the credits I believe.
Wow! Must have been more interesting than the post-credit Marvel film scenes ;)
(And apologies for making light of the points you were making, but the words 'climax' and 'Anderson' in the same sentence, well,... I'll be in my bunk..)
Quote from: James Stacey on 26 September, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
If its an open invite I could sit through it again ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 September, 2012, 04:22:14 PM
We could get a group together and send it out of the theatre on a high..
Yeah, that would be cool! JudgeFett is a Cardiff lad too, so that could be four of us! Go see Dredd and a piss-up at the Pen and Wig after. I'd have to see it in Cineworld mind - are you both cool with that? Could do tomorrow night, possibly, or the following Thursday (if it's still showing then!!).
Quote from: blackmocco on 26 September, 2012, 03:03:51 PM
It's not much of a leap to think Max Rockatansky is driving around an incinerated Australia in a stripped-down V8 at the same time.
Ho-yeah, there's something I can buy into. Maybe we could have a
Beyond Thunderdome remake where he feeds those whiny kids to Satanus?
OZ Judge Rockatansky.
Tomorrow's a bit sudden for my planning, I'm afraid. Next thursday works groovy.. Fingers crossed Dredd's still knocking around..
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 02:11:28 AM
(http://www.neilmillervfx.com/USERIMAGES/3aa_end_trailer1.jpg)
Ah yes, think this is one of my fave shots from the film. Just lovely.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 September, 2012, 08:02:28 PM
Tomorrow's a bit sudden for my planning, I'm afraid. Next thursday works groovy.. Fingers crossed Dredd's still knocking around..
Ferk, I should have looked at my calendar first - I have something planned for that Thursday already. Bollocks.
Um... Weds? It would have to be a 9pm showing though...
Weds 9pm is perfect.
Quoteno memorable action sequences. No "Lobby from The Matrix", no "Building Site chase from Casino Royale", no "Lightsabre fight from Phantom Menace"
Ah, but The Matrix (touted on release as the best sci-fi movie of all time) has faded a bit over time. If the best thing about your movie is a new special effect (bullet time), then that doesn't speak well of the movie. Casino Royale's building site chase is ridiculously contrived: "we want to insert free running - shoulder it in here". And The Phantom Menace isn't even a proper Star Wars film.
I'd rather a movie be good overall, than have a single stand-out memorable scene.
I just saw Dredd in 3D at the movies last night - and I REALLY enjoyed it - I hope it does well enough over time for a sequel, but even if it doesn't, at least we got a proper Dredd movie after the Stallone abortion. (It's not even fair to blame Stallone, as he only plays Rob Schneider's sidekick.)
Karl Urban
was Dredd - fantastic grimace, amazing chin work. I thought the general plot a very smart choice, and the sprawling urban dystopia very well realized.
You've probably all already discussed the pros and cons of a Fifth Element style MC-1 vs. what was presented in this movie - but I really liked the realism of it. It felt like a future you could be living in. The Hall of Justice as a heavily fortified bastion seemed so fitting, and I liked a depiction of MC-1 that would make your average citizen want to hide in a block for safety.
Things I thought didn't work so well:
- The hot-shot. It seemed overcooked (ha!) as a scene. Why not just shoot him with a normal bullet? (Also - nerd alert - the hot shot is a homing bullet - not a head-melting bullet. I know the makers read the comic so why insert a glaring apple cart knocker like this?) It wasn't double-whammy shit, but it was following it around in a dark overcoat.
- Mini-guns being able to shoot through all those apartments in a block that size. I don't like to have my willing suspension of disbelief stretched too thin, which this did, and then my psyche was busy trampolining on it because the build-up to that scene took way too long.
- Stunning the juves. (Won't somebody think of the children?) Either don't have juves with guns, or if you do have them, shoot them along with everyone else. This was the only bit of the movie where you could have inserted Stallone and it wouldn't have made any difference.
- Dredd feeding Ma-Ma slo-mo. Motive-wise, it would've worked better if she'd taken the slo-mo herself, perhaps during the fall. She was a crazy bastich - kind of thing you could imagine her doing. Dredd doing it felt like torture. Illegal use of narcotics - off to Titan with him!
- Some awkward silent moments in the script. Like when Dredd is dressing Anderson's wound - she looks up at him like she's in love (which is weird). What are they thinking? She might be psychic, but the audience aren't. Well, not me. Also, when she gives Dredd her badge and then walks off in a huff - why doesn't he call her back? He looks like he's just been dumped. Given that the entire plot revolved around Anderson's test for Judge-status, we should have seen her being given it - how would she react?
- "Wait? Why should I wait?" went on far too long. Dredd should have stabbed him with his boot knife. "One chance - boot knife!"
Love it, though. Proper Dredd. On film. In 3D. Thanks!
(Corrupt Judges were a great touch.)
Can't help on the character references, however..
Quote from: Funt Solo on 07 October, 2012, 06:27:57 PM
- The hot-shot. It seemed overcooked (ha!) as a scene. Why not just shoot him with a normal bullet? (Also - nerd alert - the hot shot is a homing bullet - not a head-melting bullet. I know the makers read the comic so why insert a glaring apple cart knocker like this?) It wasn't double-whammy shit, but it was following it around in a dark overcoat.
With a standard round there's the possibility that the round could shatter and cause trauma to the hostage in such close proximity to the target. The hot shot round, a possible derivative of the incendiary on a slow burning fuse, would cause internal trauma contained within the assailants head.
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- Mini-guns being able to shoot through all those apartments in a block that size. I don't like to have my willing suspension of disbelief stretched too thin, which this did, and then my psyche was busy trampolining on it because the build-up to that scene took way too long.
Those were designed as a .50 cal weapon. A .50 round, at that distance, and depending on the type of round (armor piercing, incendiary, explosive tipped.. They do exist, honest!) will happily make short work of concrete, especially at that relatively short range when the wound is carrying huge amounts of kinetic energy. They're also firing at around 3000 rounds a minute, which is a lot of lead. The three of them would chew the place up as if it were made of jacobs crackers.
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- Some awkward silent moments in the script. Like when Dredd is dressing Anderson's wound - she looks up at him like she's in love (which is weird). What are they thinking? She might be psychic, but the audience aren't. Well, not me.
Trauma.. She's been shot after all..
QuoteAlso, when she gives Dredd her badge and then walks off in a huff - why doesn't he call her back? He looks like he's just been dumped. Given that the entire plot revolved around Anderson's test for Judge-status, we should have seen her being given it - how would she react?[/li][/list]
No real need to, they know where to find her, and he's letting her vent after a fairly hairy few hours..
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- "Wait? Why should I wait?" went on far too long. Dredd should have stabbed him with his boot knife. "One chance - boot knife!"
Never bring a knife to a gun fight, especially when someone is just out of reach, has the drop on you and you're suffering a fair amount of physical trauma.
Glad you liked it overall..
round, not wound.. Damn you no edit button!!!
Quote from: Funt Solo on 07 October, 2012, 06:27:57 PM
Dredd feeding Ma-Ma slo-mo. Motive-wise, it would've worked better if she'd taken the slo-mo herself, perhaps during the fall. She was a crazy bastich - kind of thing you could imagine her doing. Dredd doing it felt like torture. Illegal use of narcotics - off to Titan with him!
Dredd's questionable action bothered me after the second time I saw it, but on the third time I noticed that even though he's pumped the vapour into her mouth, she then chooses to inhale it. She's resigned to her fate.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 07 October, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Dredd's questionable action bothered me after the second time I saw it, but on the third time I noticed that even though he's pumped the vapour into her mouth, she then chooses to inhale it. She's resigned to her fate.
As Dredd is resigned to his Judgement of her. They're both the most fatalistic characters in the film.
Mmm. That's not really what I meant about "no memorable set piece". It's quite hard to get into words.
Budget shouldn't come into it though. Most people don't even bother with reviews let alone know how much the budget of a film was so if I see a lot of billboards with a big future cop on it with a city in flames behind him, and the film is showing in my local mutiplex, I don't think I'd go in with the mindset of "This didn't cost much, I'd better not expect any stand out moments".
And naturally, The Matrix has aged - that's not what I meant either, I don't think I came out of DREDD with a "Blimey, I'd never seen that before, that was cool!" moment in my head that I could rave on to people about.
Sure some elements of the gore were new and the way the 3D and slo-mo worked together were good but as lots have people have mentioned above, these both have drawbacks in that some people don't like excessive gore (I feel it really is a niche thing) and some people don't like 3D.
So what were the things in the movie could I say "This was really cool, go see this" to people?
Even the spot on characterisation of Dredd and Anderson means a lot less to a civilian viewer than it does to us.
Quotewhen she gives Dredd her badge and then walks off in a huff - why doesn't he call her back? He looks like he's just been dumped. Given that the entire plot revolved around Anderson's test for Judge-status, we should have seen her being given it - how would she react?
He's still mulling it over - he only passes her begrudgingly (which grates because it means admitting to himself that he was wrong about her).
Also: why would he tell her straight away? This ain't a driving license test.
The aforementioned shot of Anderson heading out on patrol, carrying her helmet, is enough resolution for me.
A link for Robo-Cop pics but Dredd gets a very small mention about reboots being done right.
http://www.screengeek.co.uk/news/article/robocop-set-pics-reveal-the-suit (http://www.screengeek.co.uk/news/article/robocop-set-pics-reveal-the-suit)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 08 October, 2012, 12:28:01 PM
Mmm. That's not really what I meant about "no memorable set piece". It's quite hard to get into words.
Budget shouldn't come into it though. Most people don't even bother with reviews let alone know how much the budget of a film was so if I see a lot of billboards with a big future cop on it with a city in flames behind him, and the film is showing in my local mutiplex, I don't think I'd go in with the mindset of "This didn't cost much, I'd better not expect any stand out moments".
And naturally, The Matrix has aged - that's not what I meant either, I don't think I came out of DREDD with a "Blimey, I'd never seen that before, that was cool!" moment in my head that I could rave on to people about.
Agreed. The action scenes were really quite poor in Dredd and lacked a lot of imagination. I don't buy the budget argument for this either; plenty of other films have fantastic action sequences and had even smaller budgets than Dredd. Looper cost $15 million
less than Dredd and had very well executed action sequences and a great looking futuristic city. I liked Dredd a lot but I did feel the action scenes and general pacing were its two weak points.
QuoteThe aforementioned shot of Anderson heading out on patrol, carrying her helmet, is enough resolution for me.
That's a very necessary shot - because there we do get our resolution. I just would have preferred Dredd (title character and all) to have been more directly involved. I know we can come up with motivations and so on for why the characters behave the way they do and resolve it in our minds that way - I just felt that there was a large gap there (in the script) where I would have preferred Dredd to say something - for them to have been more explicit communication between the two main characters, rather than teleporting in the Chief Judge to do some Basil Exposition.
It's not that I need to be spoon fed plot points (the voice over in Blade Runner was not necessary) - just that I didn't think the strong, silent approach from Dredd in some scenes did us any favors. It's not like we can use his eyes for guidance on what he's thinking.
It's like when you have to explain the joke to someone. It might still be funny, technically, but...
Quotefor them to have been
"for there to have been"
QuoteSo what were the things in the movie could I say "This was really cool, go see this" to people?
I know what you mean: the set pieces are, I guess, the mini-guns, and to some extent the incendiary round. The mini-guns made my space maths feel wobbly (despite the fact that it's probably all highly realistic) and even though the incendiary was horribly effective, it was a bit ... sick. Maybe the entire movie is the set piece - it's what the word rollicking was made for. Almost non-stop action from start to finish. The bit I couldn't stop telling people about was the bullet going through the guys cheek. I've never seen
that before. (Like you said, though - not everyone's cup of tea to watch slow-mo exit wounds in 3D.)
QuoteEven the spot on characterisation of Dredd and Anderson means a lot less to a civilian viewer than it does to us.
Simple solution: start 'em on Prog #1 and get them caught up.
Quote from: Funt Solo on 09 October, 2012, 04:59:29 AM
I know what you mean: the set pieces are, I guess, the mini-guns, and to some extent the incendiary round. The mini-guns made my space maths feel wobbly (despite the fact that it's probably all highly realistic)
The gatlings are 0.50 BMG. It was deemed the 7.62x51mm round was just not big enough, so we stepped it up a bit.
Check this out around the 7:30 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lprGoEpDXJQ
They were inspired by these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA&feature=fvwrel
oooh gunporn! :-[
After month in envy, I'v also seen it.
And how I loved it!
The characters, action (almost no jump cuts!), humour, actual social commentry, it all came together so damned nice!
I even didn't even think about the lack of Dreddverse politics, since the movie showed such a shitty place without overdoing it with endless explaining.
I got to pin it down myself that I thought the block looked like a shitty place to live in, and really felt for Anderson when she said the only difference she made there was letting the computer guy go.
"The mall opens again in 30 minutes" after the shooting in the beginning was also very effective. It set the tone so I knew that was always in the background of all the dirt through out the whole film.
It was small touches like that through out that I loved. Instead of revelations it used details instead. And loved that, knowing that Dredd is in the details ;)
Loved the characters. Only thing I reacted a bit about was a couple of onliners that came across a bit too obvious. "Choke on that" "--for her to kill you" never felt needed, Dredd being silent would have said enough in a better way.
Loved it for example when he said "split in two" (after blowing up the other judge) and "yeah...". But the onliner-bit was far from bad. It was just some moments when Dredd felt a bit "regular" ;)
3D was also great. I didn't even nothise it a lot of times, in a good way. It was never in the way of the film.
It's a definitive strong 4 out of 5 for me. The movie does so many things right, and I'll watch it again at least one time in theatres.
Originally posted in the 'Welcome to the board' thread.
DREDD
Wow! What a thrill ride! Visceral, bloody, depraved, beautiful (yes beautiful!), but most of all - awesome! Right from the offset from that thrilling opening Lawmaster/ car chase, to the closing scenes of Ma Ma's face getting beautiully splattered on the screen - I was on the edge of my seat, gripping my arm rest like a maniac. I was utterly thrilled, immersed into this nightmarish vision of Mega City, filled with crime, disease and decay.
It was like Judge Dredd in The City of God.
The action and violence was unrelenting. No flinching from the brutality of it, but made strangely beautiful by the drug induced slo-mo scenes. And for those scenes alone, the choice of 3D was the right choice. You cannot view it any other way. It is visually arresting. Look at the scene of Ma-Ma in the bath, the water droplets dancing like minature planets in orbit, enhanced further by that beautiful, uplifting music - visual poetry. Who would've expected to see such beauty in an 'action' flick?
Karl Urban was brilliant as Dredd - his gruff one liners, and ''yeah''s reminded me of Eastwood. The decision to keep his helmet on at all times (save the begining - and even then we don't see his face as it's obscured by shadow) is a good choice. It makes the character more mysterious and harken's back to the comics - we even get Karl Urban grimacing like Dredd - he gets the character down to a T. He is coolness personified. Check out the look on Ma Ma's face when Dredd - after taking a whole floor out to kill Dredd with their firepower - emerges unscathed from the smoke and cooly throws a baddie over the side! The look on her face shows that she has totally underestimated Dredd. And Dredd is not a man - he is The Law!
Olivia Thirlby as the rookie Anderson was superb and a joy to watch . I don't think i've seen her prior, but what a great choice she was for this role (I wont lie when I say i've fallen in love with her!) And her psychic abilities are awesome to say the least - especially in one stand out scene with the goon they're transporting. How cool was that?! And Lena Headey? This is quite possibly the best role she has played. I believed her as a ruthless, methodical, no bull, head of a drug empire. Her criminal persona like a flip side to Dredd's upholding of law. She was perfect for this role and by the end, I even had a little sympathy for her because she was a product of her environment.
Regarding the look of the film, Pete Travis captures the sprawling vision of Mega City with its massive block rising up to the sky like rows of concrete colussus' brilliantly. A concrete jungle - a chilling look into the future, a future wherin over-population, crime, decay run rampant. And the scenes of a skating ramp hundreds of kilometres up in the middle of the sky-scraper showed the insanity of it all. I think his decision to shoot the film in South Africa brought an air of believability to the whole film.
I loved the music (by Paul Leonard-Morgan) for the film too, and thought it complemented the film perfectly. Especially in those tense action scenes.
Finally Judge Dredd has a film worthy of his legendary name! I admit there are a few minor quibbles, the film's low budget does show in some places, but in a way it makes it more gritty and real. And therefore the experience was more thrilling, than if it were a big budget film. And of course with bigger budget comes the pressure to dial down the violence - compromising the directors vision in the process. In an age where the whole film industry is filled with 12 rated fodder - Dredd is a breath of fresh air. I wish Dredd becomes a success, and hopefully it can signal a change for Hollywood to make more comic-book/ science-fiction/ action film's for adult's. As for Dredd, I really hope we get a sequel. The Dredd universe is so rich that the possibilties are endless - Judge Dredd kicking ass on Cursed Earth? Now there's a film I would gladly go pay to see.
DREDD 4/5
Here's my two Pacific pesos:
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An early session with around twenty other bods in the theatre (though the 'gold class' seats were all occupied - it was a cheap night). Last I checked the movie was in at number 5 on the NZ BO.
A good night, though. I'm surprised by how much the movie has 'sunk in' over the past few days...
A colleague saw a picture of Dredd on my computer and asked if it was any good. When I said it was great, he seemed surprised, and said he might go see it tonight instead of Looper.
I told him that sadly, it's all but been and gone from cinemas.
Does seem to be an alarming lack of awareness. Turns out hardly anyone actually reads movie reviews, apparently.
Quote from: radiator on 17 October, 2012, 07:51:30 PM
A colleague saw a picture of Dredd on my computer and asked if it was any good. When I said it was great, he seemed surprised, and said he might go see it tonight instead of Looper.
I told him that sadly, it's all but been and gone from cinemas.
Does seem to be an alarming lack of awareness. Turns out hardly anyone actually reads movie reviews, apparently.
I'v gotten similar reactions from folks. Especialy when they ask about the constant cuts in the trailer, when I tell them that there's very little jump cuts in the action, it just flows. The trailer makes it look like a music video.
I'd like to think that a trailer good as the ones attached to Sin city or 300 could have done wonders for the numbers.
Quote from: Borntohula on 18 October, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: radiator on 17 October, 2012, 07:51:30 PM
A colleague saw a picture of Dredd on my computer and asked if it was any good. When I said it was great, he seemed surprised, and said he might go see it tonight instead of Looper.
I told him that sadly, it's all but been and gone from cinemas.
Does seem to be an alarming lack of awareness. Turns out hardly anyone actually reads movie reviews, apparently.
I'v gotten similar reactions from folks. Especialy when they ask about the constant cuts in the trailer, when I tell them that there's very little jump cuts in the action, it just flows. The trailer makes it look like a music video.
I'd like to think that a trailer good as the ones attached to Sin city or 300 could have done wonders for the numbers.
That's all movie trailer's though, isn't it?
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 October, 2012, 11:51:51 AM
That's all movie trailer's though, isn't it?
Hehe, well kind off. But Andersons fighting for example, which is great in the movie but in the trailer looks choppy cut'n'dull. Maybe they'v could have stuck to the scene where she fights for a mp5 and cut it more nicely (giving the viewer some taste for blood = some urge to see the movie where she blows his face up ;) )
I only read some of the comics so far but played Dredd vs. Death, read facts about the Judge Dredd universe, saw the bad 90s movie and I'm just starting to get more into it and I really LOVE this film!
I always enjoyed the old Stallone flick since I didn't know too much about how Judge Dredd really has to be like. I loved the the Judges which I already knew from looking into some of the comics in a local book store. The idea of being judge, jury and executioner, the Lawgiver with its many functions, the cool Lawmaster and of course Judge Dredd! The weird thing is that even back then it felt weird seeing Judge Dredd taking off his helmet without knowing that he never does that in the comics. I liked it anyway though. The music, the action, Stallone and the whole look of the movie was fun.
Well then I heard about a new Judge Dredd movie and I was really excited! When I saw the new uniform and Carl Urban I was really disappointed though. I got pissed because of directors making their own stupid versions of comic or video game characters in the past already and I thought "God! Not again some stupid and bad director who thinks that his lame idea of a character is so much better!" and I lost all hope...at least until I saw the trailer and got blown away! xD But enough of that, I want to give my opinion on the movie.
As much as I was skeptical about Carl Urban, as much I loved him when I saw the movie! Even if Dredd looks a bit different because of the uniform and beard to me it was the perfect Judge Dredd. I even start to prefer the movie uniform a little bit because it's more realistic and practical. Also the helmet because the shape is a bit more stylish than in the comics, in my opinion. But what makes me think of Dredd the most is Urbans mimic. I love this grim look on his face!
As much as I like the realistic design of the uniform I was a bit bored of the realistic streets of Mega City 1. The streets and cars looked a bit too much like 2012 to me. I would have preferred a bit more futurism since that's nothing new. I see that every day when I go outside or when I watch other action movies. I think it would become a bit boring if there will be a Dredd 2 where we see more of Mega City 1. Also it was a bit boring that he great hall of justice was just a simple building now. As much as I understand the intention of making a more realistic Judge Dredd movie it gets a bit boring to take away almost all the fiction of it.
I was really happy to see that this movie is no family friendly mainstream crap with no violence at all. I always knew that Judge Dredd is no whiny teeny comic and has to be a bit harder and stuff. Always wished the old movie had some more violence and the effects of Dredd are as gory as they have to be! I think it supports the character of Dredd and the world he lives in. Without violence you don't see that Dredd is really relentless and loyal when it comes to the law. On the other hand you don't see that it's really necessary in such a cruel world.
All the action scenes are lots of fun to watch and the idea to give slow-mo a purpose is just brilliant! I could watch it again and again and I never gets boring.
The idea of having just one location for almost the whole movie was better than I thought it would be. Well at least if we get to see another one with more action in the city. The idea of having Dredd and Anderson going up level by level almost reminds me of a video game and gives it the feeling of a bigger threat to the Judges. You also don't get distracted by other things and concentrate more on the characters this way which are really interesting and are played well.
The actors are doing a good job and fit in their roles (at least for the movie since Mama is a new character and I don't know enough about Anderson). You just really want Anderson to pass, you want Mama to pay for her crimes and die a gruesome death and you want Dredd to be a badass who carries out the law mercilessly! To me it's all about the characters because the story is very simple and it could have been a bit deeper but I didn't expect it to be a Matrix like script, or something. Maybe they give us more in Dredd 2...if it will ever happen. I hope really much that they do it just for the love to Judge Dredd (which I really saw and felt) and not because of the money. It's sad that there was so little interest in such a good movie. Even if you're not a fan of the comics I think action fans have their fun with this film and could even become new fans to the franchise. I just hope that they have a bigger and better promo for the next one. However I can't wait for the Blu-Ray! It will be a day one purchase!