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Title: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2020, 06:48:20 AM
I will announce the winners  as follows:

- Wednesday the positions 6 - 10
- Thursday the positions 3 - 5
- Friday the Winner and Second place thrills plus the full list (and some interesting or boring stats, depending on how you see stats)
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2020, 06:49:32 AM
So here is the positions from 6 to 10:

6. Cradlegrave
7. Jaegir
8. Caballistics Inc
9. Brass Sun
10. Button Man   
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 July, 2020, 07:28:52 AM
I'll copy my comment on the 6-10 slots from the other thread here to keep them in context.

QuoteCool two of the thrills I voted for placed already. Given the competition I'm chuffed both Cradlegrave and Brass Sun made the top ten.

Interesting to see Button Man there. I do think the fourth one is great - that is the only one from the Rebellion years right? - and it might get to my overall top ten but not Rebellion Years for me.

Caballistics Inc made my top 20 and I know how loved Jaegir is. Its going to be fascinatating to see the rest.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: AlexF on 01 July, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
It's fitting that Frazer Irving gets a spot on the list - his work was a huge part of getting me all fired up about 2000AD again in the early 2000s. Curious that Button Man IV is what gets singled out, not the first place I go to when I think of Irving + 2000AD.

Who knows if the creators will read this Top 10 and make anything of it, but if it spurs Edington along to get back to the story of Wren and her quest to wind up the clock at the heart of the Brass Sun, I will be super happy! Gordon Rennie knows he's good, and seems to know which of his strips are his most successful, too - I couldn't be happier to have him back in the world of Cabs, Inc in the Prog right now!
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 01 July, 2020, 09:44:52 AM
I will also on Friday publish the totals per writer
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: IndigoPrime on 01 July, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
Brass Sun is also one of the loveliest collected volumes 2000 AD has ever released. I suspect the chances of getting another are slim to none.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: DrJomster on 01 July, 2020, 09:45:46 PM
Fascinating stuff! What a list already, it really is. Roll on the next part of the results.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 02 July, 2020, 02:58:51 AM
So here is the positions from 3 to 5:

3. Kingdom
4. Strontium Dog
5. Shakara
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Rogue Judge on 02 July, 2020, 03:40:02 AM
I'm surprised that Strontium Dog came in at #4, I figured 'ol Johnny would clinch the #1 spot for sure! And Gene would not be happy with #3 - him top dog!
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 July, 2020, 03:53:48 AM
Shakara and Kingdom are both quite high concept gigs that just really work well. Kingdom breaks the rule of having your main character feature in the title: but you couldn't really call it "Gene the Hackman" - partly because for all his whetting, he's a caring soul.

I knew Kingdom would rate highly ... but now I can't put my finger on the top two.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 02 July, 2020, 03:56:39 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 02 July, 2020, 03:40:02 AM
I'm surprised that Strontium Dog came in at #4, I figured 'ol Johnny would clinch the #1 spot for sure! And Gene would not be happy with #3 - him top dog!

I am sure that Strontium Dog will most likely get the top spot when I ran the Galaxy's Greatest tourney. I am sure the classics like Nemesis will also rate quite high.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Rogue Judge on 02 July, 2020, 04:19:23 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 02 July, 2020, 03:53:48 AMI knew Kingdom would rate highly ... but now I can't put my finger on the top two.

Brink and...?
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 July, 2020, 06:31:04 AM
Well that shows the strenght of 2000ad under Rebellion, assuming my call for the top two is correct and it matches mine this is an astonishing list. So, so good.

I didn't find a slot for Strontium Dog in my top 10, nor even my top 20 (though that might be a mistake) and yet there it is at number 4 and you can't argue that, its such a strong strip.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Andy B on 02 July, 2020, 07:05:20 AM
Wow - so (at least) one of Nikolai Dante, Brink & Sinister Dexter didn't even make the top 10. Recount!

Good showing from Strontium Dog. I marked it lower, as the Rebellion stuff wasn't as good as the earlier stuff (not much is!). But maybe I was wrong: right to the end, the Prog always felt a bit special when SD was in it.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 02 July, 2020, 07:20:53 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 02 July, 2020, 07:05:20 AM
Wow - so (at least) one of Nikolai Dante, Brink & Sinister Dexter didn't even make the top 10. Recount!

Conspiracy Theory.......
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2020, 02:43:40 AM
With every tournament we have winners and the ones that could have. Rebellion certainly gave us a lot of great thrills the past 20 years. Up to 62 thrills got votes but we can only have one that takes the number 1 position. Throughout the tourney we had two thrills that was neck on neck so here we have it:


In second place we have:


BRINK


and first prize goes to:


NIKOLAI DANTE




Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2020, 02:47:40 AM
As promise here we have the full list of every thrill that received votes. I added some additional information and some stats (but always remember the thing about stats "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"). The breakdown of what you see, firstly is the position, the thrill name, the total points accumulated, the total percentage of people who voted for the thrill, the total number 1 positions, the total number 2 positions and lastly the total number 3 positions:


1). Nikolai Dante (334) (64,52%) (7) (3) (1)
2). Brink (316) (64,52%) (5) (4) (3)
3). Kingdom (247) (58,06%) (4) (2) (3)
4). Strontium Dog (218) (58,06%) (6) (0) (1)
5). Shakara (158) (48,39%) (1) (1) (4)
6). Cradlegrave (141) (38,71%) (1) (1) (3)
7). Jaegir (106) (41,94%) (0) (1) (2)
8). Caballistics Inc (105) (29,03%) (1) (1) (1)
9). Brass Sun (100) (35,48%) (0) (2) (1)
10). Button Man (97) (29,03%) (0) (3) (1)
11). Sinister Dexter (93) (29,03%) (0) (2) (2)
12). Deadworld (89) (35,48%) (1) (1) (0)
13). Leviathan (87) (32,26%) (0) (1) (0)
14). Low Life (87) (25,81%) (1) (1) (0)
15). Absalom (70) (22,58%) (0) (1) (0)
16). Stickleback (56) (25,81%) (0) (0) (2)
17). Slaine (52) (9,68%) (2) (0) (0)
18). Zombo (52) (25,81%) (0) (1) (0)
19). ABC Warriors (49) (19,35%) (0) (1) (1)
20). Indigo Prime (49) (12,9%) (0) (1) (1)
21). Scarlet Traces (46) (16,13%) (0) (0) (2)
22). Survival Geeks (37) (25,81%) (0) (0) (0)
23). Glimmer Rats (35) (9,68%) (0) (0) (1)
24). Savage (30) (22,58%) (0) (0) (0)
25). The Red Seas (28) (9,68%) (0) (1) (0)
26). Thistlebone (27) (16,13%) (0) (0) (0)
27). Deadlock (25) (3,23%) (1) (0) (0)
28). Full Tilt Boogie (25) (3,23%) (1) (0) (0)
29). Ichabod Azrael (25) (12,9%) (0) (1) (0)
30). Grey Area (24) (16,13%) (0) (0) (0)
31). Leatherjack (24) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
32). Defoe (20) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
33). The Order (20) (12,9%) (0) (0) (0)
34). Hope (19) (6,45%) (0) (0) (1)
35). Kingmaker (19) (12,9%) (0) (0) (0)
36). Dead Eyes (18) (3,23%) (0) (1) (0)
37). The Ten-Seconders (18) (3,23%) (0) (1) (0)
38). The 86ers (16) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
39). Cadet Anderson (15) (3,23%) (0) (0) (1)
40). Anderson (12) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
41). Terror Tales (12) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
42). The Simping Detective (12) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
43). Helium (11) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
44). Lobster Random (10) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
45). Pussyfoot 5 (10) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
46). Rogue Trooper (10) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
47). Stone Island (10) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
48). Tales of Telguuth (10) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
49). Damnation Station (9) (6,45%) (0) (0) (0)
50). Lenny Zero (8) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
51). Zenith (8) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
52). Thirteen (7) (9,68%) (0) (0) (0)
53). Robo-Hunter (6) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
54). Ampney Crucis (4) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
55). Storming Heaven (4) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
56). Fiends of the Eastern Front (2) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
57). Necrophim (2) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
58). The Alienist (2) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
59). Ulysees Sweet (2) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
60). Durham Red (1) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
61). Feral and Foe (1) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
62). The VCs (1) (3,23%) (0) (0) (0)
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2020, 02:54:10 AM
Next we have a list of the writers the total points and the number of the rills that received votes.  Just to point out the for example we have a thrill like Durham Red that was written by both Alan Grant and Alec Worley the points credit was give to Alan Grant as he has written the bulk of the thrill. So yes this might not reflect the picture 100% but it gives you a good indication. 

Writer      Total Points          Total Thrills
Dan Abnett   682            6
Robbie Morrison   492            2
Gordon Rennie   385            9
Ian Edginton   363            10
John Wagner   315            2
John Smith   242            5
Pat Mills      176            5
Rob Williams   130            3
Kek-W      109            2
Al Ewing      61            2
Alan Grant      34            4
TC Eglington   27            1
Alex De Campi   25            1
Simon Spurrier   22            2
Guy Adams   21            2
Misc         12            1
Steven Moore   10            1
Andy Diggle   8            1
Matt Smith   8            1
Mike Carey   7            1
Tony Lee      2            1
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2020, 01:43:26 PM
Button Man being so high up surprises me; otherwise, that's a pretty solid top ten.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2020, 02:27:53 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 July, 2020, 01:43:26 PM
Button Man being so high up surprises me; otherwise, that's a pretty solid top ten.

It might be that some people voted historically and not based upon the series that was publish during the Rebellion time
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 July, 2020, 06:10:29 PM
I've been waiting for the chance to commet on this fully but work has been a bit crazy today and I think I'll just go for a whitter now and try for more later.

Firstly thanks so much for running this Broodblik its been fun and the results are fascintating. My quick take homes:

1. Yah me I got the top three in the right order
2. Interesting that Dan Abnett's record here is so far ahead and in some way endorses his recent crowning - though later votes will tell us more I'm sure
3. The spread of thrills that got votes just emphasize the diversity of 2000ad fans, one of my favourite things
4. YAH Dante
5. Actually does 1 just mean I'm a bit dull and predictable?
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 03 July, 2020, 07:21:22 PM
There is a nice variety in the top ten and I was surprised by the total thrills that got votes. The main thing that really stood out was that the old hands did not get so many votes. I think we will see a major shift when the Galaxy's Greatest tourney is done and dusted.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: DrJomster on 03 July, 2020, 11:36:05 PM
A really strong top 20, I have to say. Interesting to see how close it was between Dante and Brink!

There's quite a lot of diversity in the voting, which on reflection has got to be a good thing for an anthology!

Many thanks for running this, good stuff!
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 04 July, 2020, 05:48:08 AM
After the meg tourney I will start the Galaxy's Greatest and then we can draw a line between the first 40 plus years versus the Rebellion years.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Rogue Judge on 04 July, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
Great, thanks for running the comp and presenting the winners and numbers.

I'm ashamed to say I've never read Dante...I've only heard good things about it, but there is no nice/accessible collected edition (that I'm aware of) to read. It's on my list, I'll need to track the trades down (I mostly do not read digital, only paper for me!)
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 04 July, 2020, 06:25:12 AM
Here is the link to the spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j4XFG2-Wc_2wwoM4y4SvbXAA85lcJYEeUpWuwCoWkK8/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j4XFG2-Wc_2wwoM4y4SvbXAA85lcJYEeUpWuwCoWkK8/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 04 July, 2020, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 04 July, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
Great, thanks for running the comp and presenting the winners and numbers.

I'm ashamed to say I've never read Dante...I've only heard good things about it, but there is no nice/accessible collected edition (that I'm aware of) to read. It's on my list, I'll need to track the trades down (I mostly do not read digital, only paper for me!)

Do yourself a favor and read it. It is an amazing peace of work buy some real great talents. Simon Fraser and John Burns artwork worked in tandem to bring us this mega epic
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 July, 2020, 07:15:25 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 04 July, 2020, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 04 July, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
Great, thanks for running the comp and presenting the winners and numbers.

I'm ashamed to say I've never read Dante...I've only heard good things about it, but there is no nice/accessible collected edition (that I'm aware of) to read. It's on my list, I'll need to track the trades down (I mostly do not read digital, only paper for me!)

Do yourself a favor and read it. It is an amazing peace of work buy some real great talents. Simon Fraser and John Burns artwork worked in tandem to bring us this mega epic

If you can track them down the Hatchette collections are great - thouhg not sure which are readily available. The fact that I've double dipped and bought these is testament to how wonderful the series is.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: BPP on 04 July, 2020, 07:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 04 July, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
but there is no nice/accessible collected edition (that I'm aware of) to read. It's on my list, I'll need to track the trades down (I mostly do not read digital, only paper for me!)

?

8 of the 11 volumes Are available in print in the 2000ad shop and that includes the repackaged 1-3
4 & 5 are two of the unavailable but they're next in line for the new spruced up editions.

Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 04 July, 2020, 09:14:02 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 04 July, 2020, 06:28:26 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 04 July, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
Great, thanks for running the comp and presenting the winners and numbers.

I'm ashamed to say I've never read Dante...I've only heard good things about it, but there is no nice/accessible collected edition (that I'm aware of) to read. It's on my list, I'll need to track the trades down (I mostly do not read digital, only paper for me!)

Do yourself a favor and read it. It is an amazing peace of work buy some real great talents. Simon Fraser and John Burns artwork worked in tandem to bring us this mega epic

Aye.  Though I have to say I didn't like it for a long time - It took until the buildup to the [spoiler]war[/spoiler] till I really got into it.  One of the major changes for me, even though for most it was probably unnoticeable, was that Robbie Morrison stopped using so much bold print - I really, really hate when the wrong word in a speech bubble is stressed, or when a sentence is deemed by the writer to be so cool the whole thing needs to be in bold.

I know, I know, I'm the worst kind of pedant.  But I have to say my view of Dante changed very quickly when Robbie disabled the Bold option on Word.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 10:03:43 AM
Yeah its fascinating to see how close 'Brink' and 'Nikolai Dante' are. I guess the fact that Dante finished almost exactly 8 years ago now could be a factor in that - I shudder just saying that can it really be 8 years since Dante finished!?!?. Brink is fresher in folks minds and certainly from the annual polls the current darling of at least this section of fandom(and me I should say!)

I do however think its much more than that. While Dante is a supreme, roaming epic that entirely deires top spot, Brink is something entirely different, but just (almost, almost) as good. I've reflected on the fact that I've recently seen Dabnett's work describe as 'Ultra, ultra, ultra competent' (I might misquote slightly) in a discussion on why he won the Ultimate None Wagner Tourney, but I think looking at this we see that that view is pretty reductionary.

While its entirely true he might not have the 'obvious 'fireworks' of Pat Mills and the obvious creative brillance of say John Smith or Pete Milligan, I think that is just done to the pure craft of the man. If you look at the three strips he has in just the top 11 of this vote (yep 3 strips in the top 11 in the last 20 years, that's more than any level of competance to me)

Brink
Kingdom
Sinister Dexter

and add to that the fact that Lawless and Insurrection are going to ... well do very well... in the Meg vote, you begin to see quite why he is so talented. They are very different strips, they offer very different things, yet each is created with breathtaking guile and craft.

Its Brink though that for me shows the intelligence of the man most completely (well that and Lawless but I'll stick with the matter at hand). It entirely lacks, or seems to, the ideas a minute, the explosive creativity of John Smith or Pete Milligan, instead creating a solid, structured world we appear to understand. Its founded in police procedural. But its so much more. The way each episode focuses on a conversation, or apparently small interaction, or moment of character reflection builds that close, claustrophobic atmosphere. In doing that keeps the larger scale cult mystery at arms length, heightening its intrigue and omnious presense. Interestingly I find it similar in that respect to John Smith's highest placed work here the sublime 'Cradlegrave'.

That's more than just competance, thats masterary of your craft. The different storytelling style each episode of 'Lawless' demonstrates this even more.

The different methods he uses to create different story types with 'Sinister Dexter' and the perfect 2000ad story 'Kingdom' underline the point. A creator utterly at ease with his medium and able to use it to tell the stories he wants in entirely different ways. I'd compare him to Carlos - bear with me - so great at his craft, so easy on the eye that he's deceptive about the level of the genius he employs.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: AlexF on 05 July, 2020, 10:12:10 AM
Comparing Abnett to Carlos is dead on, I'd say. Now I'm said the King never did a Sinister Dexter.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
If anyone hasn't listened to the latest thrillcast with Ian Culbard, it's well worth it. It's wide-ranging and very entertaining, and Ian talks about Brink at some length — some of the stuff about his process (particularly how he makes the characters 'act') is fascinating.

Whilst it's right that Dan gets lauded for his work on Brink, I think it's important to remember that Ian's contribution goes beyond just realising Dan's words in visual form — it would likely be a very different, and possibly not as successful, strip with another artist.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Greg M. on 05 July, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 10:03:43 AM
I've reflected on the fact that I've recently seen Dabnett's work describe as 'Ultra, ultra, ultra competent' (I might misquote slightly)

I only used two ultras, not three. That'd be pushing it.

As I've said repeatedly, I think Abnett's very good at what he does. I go into any new Abnett strip with an open mind, ready to enjoy. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I deny none of the man's technical ability - which to me would suggest a very high degree of competence. His ideas are perfectly decent.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 05 July, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 10:03:43 AM
I've reflected on the fact that I've recently seen Dabnett's work describe as 'Ultra, ultra, ultra competent' (I might misquote slightly)

I only used two ultras, not three. That'd be pushing it.

Well if you can't go to that third ultra you are dead to me!
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
Whilst it's right that Dan gets lauded for his work on Brink, I think it's important to remember that Ian's contribution goes beyond just realising Dan's words in visual form — it would likely be a very different, and possibly not as successful, strip with another artist.

That's a very fair point and while I do seem to naturally lean towards thinking about the writing I do normally try to reflect on how the art realises the story as written. I guess with all the writer tourney nonsense I've got even more singular in my view.

I mean imagine Tsar Wars done by anyone other than John M Burns - its hard to do, or 'Sympathy with the Devil' without Simon Fraser's character work.

Specifically about INJ Culbard its problably even more impressive that he has two strips in the top ten than Dabnett having 3 in the top 11 (yes, yes it does grate that I have to stretch that to 11!)  given the time taken to produce the art. And there's an interesting comparison to the point I made earlier about the diversity of Dabnett's work when you consider the two tales that chart for him.

While Brink is close and enclosured, tight and constricted, Brass Sun by its nature is open and exploratory, vast and roaming and to have created two such different world's and atmopheres is absolute testement to his ability.

Its all of course anchered by his brilliant 'acting'. The way he makes his characters live and breath. In Brink in particular I see behind the eye of each sentence they say.

Edited to be rude: We could also talk about the letterers contribution, but we all know they are just upperty typists!
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
Edited to be rude: We could also talk about the letterers contribution, but we all know they are just upperty typists!

Actually, Ian makes a point of specifically highlighting Simon B's contribution to Brink in the thrillcast.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 05 July, 2020, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 July, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
Its all of course anchered by his brilliant 'acting'. The way he makes his characters live and breath. In Brink in particular I see behind the eye of each sentence they say.

That's the part of his process I found particularly fascinating when he talks about it — once the pages are laid out, he goes through the whole episode and finishes drawing one specific character, so he's only thinking about that character, their body language, what's going on their head. Once he's drawn that character for the whole episode, he goes back to the beginning and repeats for the next character...
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: broodblik on 05 July, 2020, 12:02:02 PM
For me art is part of the story (this comics we talking about). I also discovered in recent years how important lettering is as well. All three of these elements has to come together to bring us a "perfect" story.  Certain arts type of style suits a certain type of  story. If you look at the  top three Rebellion stories all three of them has all three mentioned elements.
Title: Re: RESULTS - The Rebellion Years Top 10 Series - Tournament
Post by: BPP on 05 July, 2020, 09:01:12 PM
Abnett and the correct artist is a great point - and likely with all writers - because the early Grey Area left me cold and dill in artists were better but not saving it. Then Mark Harrison got the gig and it became much more alien and much more human. It quickly moved into my first not-Dredd read of the week.