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: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 31 March, 2021, 05:43:21 AM
I've started my own A-Z of 2000 AD project and (of course) started with 'K', and Kingdom (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/Kingdom/kingdom.html).

It has to be off-forum because the chart and table have some groovy, interactive functionality that can't be replicated here.

Tech note: table hover components sort-of work as long-holds on touch-screen devices, but really this is designed for pointer-driven interfaces.
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: Colin YNWA 31 March, 2021, 06:48:55 AM
Wow Funt Solo that's going to become something pretty damned fantastic. A resource to sit shouler to shoulder with Barney - fantastic stuff and I look forward to watching it develop!
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: broodblik 31 March, 2021, 07:53:21 AM
I like your first entry looking forward to the rest.
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: Lorenzo 31 March, 2021, 08:20:41 AM
That's really cool and potentially really useful. If I may be a little autistic for a minute; could you give the episode count a different Y-axis on the right for clarity? Also, the table could be a little bigger and the headings should be consistent with the text (episodes=parts) and don't need to be abbreviated.
Hope you don't mind the whinge, great work  :thumbsup:
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: JayzusB.Christ 31 March, 2021, 08:48:15 AM
That's brilliant.  Really love the clarity of the table and graph - looking forward to more.
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: AlexF 31 March, 2021, 08:53:18 AM
beautiful and practical! A double threat for the ages.
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: Funt Solo 31 March, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
That's really cool and potentially really useful. If I may be a little autistic for a minute; could you give the episode count a different Y-axis on the right for clarity? Also, the table could be a little bigger and the headings should be consistent with the text (episodes=parts) and don't need to be abbreviated.
Hope you don't mind the whinge, great work  :thumbsup:

Ooh - thanks - these are good ideas.

The chart is from a free system (chart.js), so I'm not sure if I can (easily) add a second Y-axis on the right. However - what you can do is click on the key labels at the top of the chart to toggle the two data streams on or off, which is pretty cool. Not obvious, though - so maybe I should make that clearer.

Yes, to consistency w. episodes/parts. I'll fix that.

I hear you on abbreviations and table size. Some of these tables will have additional columns (for writer and artist, where they are different by episode) so some will be wider. Still, you're not wrong. I'm swithering.
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: Funt Solo 14 April, 2021, 05:04:03 AM
I've been doing some format tests on my A to Z (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html), so you can now peruse Kingdom, Kingmaker, Kings of Cult, Kola Kommandos and Lawless.

My partial automation process seems quite fluid now, but it'll still take a while to populate.

Thing that surprised me: I couldn't find anywhere on the 2000AD shop that just had (for example) a list of all the Kingdom graphic novels on one page. Am I missing something or is the shop just a bit crap not easy to find stuff on?
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: Colin YNWA 14 April, 2021, 06:37:13 AM
Wow if your going to go to the level of detail of 'Kings of Cult' you are going to be doing a lot of work! That's fantastic stuff.
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: sintec 14 April, 2021, 08:44:50 AM
Looking really good. Shaping up to be an awesome resource
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: Lorenzo 14 April, 2021, 08:53:15 AM
...
Thing that surprised me: I couldn't find anywhere on the 2000AD shop that just had (for example) a list of all the Kingdom graphic novels on one page. Am I missing something or is the shop just a bit crap not easy to find stuff on?

No, you are quite right, the shop is a bit crap. Even the search window has disappeared. The best you can hope for is to select one graphic novel and scroll down to see the others that are available in the series. I find it quite irritating trying to discover what has been collected and which episodes they contain.

Excellent work BTW.
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: Funt Solo 14 April, 2021, 02:28:35 PM
Wow if your going to go to the level of detail of 'Kings of Cult' you are going to be doing a lot of work! That's fantastic stuff.

Thanks, Colin. It was a lot of work, but the data's already sitting in a spreadsheet (all the Interrogations, Flix, Mix, Ro-Jaw's Reviews, Bile Ducts et al) now, and just needs processed into my web-page format using a cunning system I've devised. So cunning, you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel.

Reckon I could get it down to about ten minutes per page (what with finding a graphic to put on there, and coming up with a one-line descriptor), so the entire project should only take ... oh dear ... one hundred hours (ah ... not counting Dredd, because that's complicated).
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: Funt Solo 15 April, 2021, 05:19:05 AM
Tremble in awe as I include Aquila, Cursed Earth Koburn and Quilli in my A-Z (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html).

I'll do them in a priority order if you make requests - so far it's been relatively random .
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: Colin YNWA 15 April, 2021, 07:23:26 AM
Oh interesting I figured you'd be doing in kinda alphabetical from Ks. In that case can I ask for a biggie Sinister Dexter to get up there?
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: Dark Jimbo 15 April, 2021, 09:36:10 AM
And somewhere deep within the depths of City Hall, Barney's video-smile unaccountably falters. His technician, Murphy, casts an eye over the feed levels , and frowns - if he didn't know better (and being this long in the tooth, he should) it's almost as if Barney was... shuddering.
'What's up, pal?'
'I... I don' t know, Murph. I suddenly felt a bit... peculiar.'
'Ah.' Murph starts to slide his hand toward the Justice Department emergency call button. He counts Barney a friend, but he also knows which side his synthi-bread is buttered. 'Like Christmas at Des O' Connor block peculiar?'
Barney's down-home voice simulates an uneasy laugh. 'You a historian now, Murph? That's ancient history! No, I just felt... Well, like my time is over, sort of thing.'
Murph relaxes a little. Just a touch of computer senility. Honestly, he's been expecting this for a while now. 'I shouldn't worry too much, buddy. None of us goes on forever, after all - but there' s plenty of life in the old dog yet.'
None of us goes on forever... Barney ought to know that better than most. Murph replaced Brian, who caught the Chaos bug; he' d replaced Audie, who's now on artificial life-support in a Sector 12 care home; Audie replaced Wilson, after that terrible futsie business... The list is long. But still, Barney somehow never imagined it happening to him. To confront your own mortality is a terrible thing, especially when you're essentially an immortal being. 'Murph...' he asks, quietly. 'What' s the A-Z of 2000AD?'
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: Funt Solo 15 April, 2021, 11:09:09 PM
Oh, man - I owe so much to Barney just in terms of daily usage and harvesting a bunch of data - plus, Barney can do things my A to Z is just not capable of - like searching by creator, or looking up individual issues, or checking out the covers.  Whole other thread about that - but anyone in the game of replacing Barney has a mountain to climb.

As for Sinister Dexter - whoo, boy! There's just no way to fit that all on one page - you'd have to divide it up somehow. Tis funtin' inconceivable, I tell ye! I'm so overwhelmed I'm getting a frisson impossible (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/SinisterDexter/sinisterDexter1997.html).
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: sheridan 16 April, 2021, 09:05:44 AM
Hmmm, if Sinister Dexter is going to be a challenge then I suppose my request for Nemesis the Warlock / associate Millsverse will be a bit tricky too?
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: Funt Solo 16 April, 2021, 05:40:31 PM
Hmmm, if Sinister Dexter is going to be a challenge then I suppose my request for Nemesis the Warlock / associate Millsverse will be a bit tricky too?

Some questions are easy to answer - like, clearly, Terror Tube, Killer Watt & Ego Trip all belong under the "Nemesis" banner. But what of the year 2000 series Deadlock - it's set on Termight, but Nemesis just ain't in it (unless Deadlock is Nemesis).
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: Colin YNWA 16 April, 2021, 06:03:26 PM
Funt Solo the turn around to include Sinister Dexter does you proud. I just checked this big leather bound, gold embossed tome listing top ten of all things. And under examples of human kind there you are.

A little further on, under 'Problems you don't even wanna start unwrapping' is where to draw the line between ABC Warriors and Nemesis. Though a helpful appendix suggests leaving Deadlock under ABCs given no Nemesis and only an established common setting to unit them really... and Purity...
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: Funt Solo 16 April, 2021, 06:17:37 PM
Yesterday it was all "does Dexter get it's own banner separate from Sinister Dexter?" and now it's the Deadlock series, that neatly straddles two banners. It's not really ABCs and it's not really Nemesis - I think I'll need to give Deadlock his own banner and then link it across (like I did with Downlode Tales and Malone).

My most recent head-scratcher is what to do with Mek-Quake's appearance in Book III. At that point, Mek-Quake wasn't part of the ABCs, so strictly I should link it back to Ro-Busters. But he does become a focal point of the ABCs later, so maybe...

It's such a cameo-role, though, rather than a strong narrative link. Maybe just a note...

That Pat Mills - he doesn't make indexing stuff easy.
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: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 16 April, 2021, 06:46:34 PM
I'm a few days behind, but... YOU DID SINISTER DEXTER! I could kiss you. Thanks so much! Now I can at last start my reread...

SBT
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: Colin YNWA 16 April, 2021, 06:56:31 PM
It is your and you must find your own way but I'd defo suggest any solo ABC is an off shot of ABC even if its not ABC? Mind the Mek-Quake is a very interesting dilemma - just link it to Tharg and the Nerve Centre and be done with it!
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: sheridan 16 April, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
Hmmm, if Sinister Dexter is going to be a challenge then I suppose my request for Nemesis the Warlock / associate Millsverse will be a bit tricky too?

Some questions are easy to answer - like, clearly, Terror Tube, Killer Watt & Ego Trip all belong under the "Nemesis" banner. But what of the year 2000 series Deadlock - it's set on Termight, but Nemesis just ain't in it (unless Deadlock is Nemesis).


Deadlock is very thematically tied to the last book of Nemesis though.  Tell you what - I'd sooner include Deadlock in an incomplete Nemesis colleciton than I would Nemesis and Deadlock (The Enigmass Variations).
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: Funt Solo 16 April, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
...Mek-Quake is a very interesting dilemma - just link it to Tharg and the Nerve Centre and be done with it!

*weeps quietly in a corner as he starts to index all appearances of Alec Trench*

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: sheridan 16 April, 2021, 07:44:15 PM
...Mek-Quake is a very interesting dilemma - just link it to Tharg and the Nerve Centre and be done with it!

*weeps quietly in a corner as he starts to index all appearances of Alec Trench*

Alec only appeared in two stories - one where the writer died and one where they were brought back from the dead.  All those posters, however...
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: Dark Jimbo 16 April, 2021, 07:50:45 PM
As for Sinister Dexter - whoo, boy! There's just no way to fit that all on one page - you'd have to divide it up somehow.

On the first page, you've got 'Finnigan's Minigun' listed as 'Finnigan & Minigun'.
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: Funt Solo 16 April, 2021, 09:56:29 PM
*GHORDLE MARDLE*
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: Funt Solo 17 April, 2021, 04:48:25 AM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Fixed:
 - Finnigan's Minigun (thanks, DJ!)
 
Added:
 - The Amazing Maze Dumoir
 - Skip Tracer (of course)
 - Nemesis the Warlock
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: Funt Solo 17 April, 2021, 08:01:27 PM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

New:
 - art credits for each of the intro images
 - Downlode Tales
 - [Torquemada]
 - some tabular adjustments to the Nemesis layout
 - removed poster & feature data from the overall episode / page chart
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: Dark Jimbo 17 April, 2021, 08:21:07 PM
Oh my God. This is some sexy, sexy stuff.
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: Funt Solo 18 April, 2021, 04:31:20 AM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

New:
 - The 7 Wonders of the Galaxy
 - Tharg's Terror Tales
 - The Zaucer of Zilk
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: sheridan 18 April, 2021, 10:47:22 AM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Fixed:
 - Finnigan's Minigun (thanks, DJ!)
 
Added:
 - The Amazing Maze Dumoir
 - Skip Tracer (of course)
 - Nemesis the Warlock

Woo-hoo!
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: Colin YNWA 18 April, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
Wow I love the attention to detail - that list of all the Nemesis details is fantastic and then to add such a eclectic mix of series and go from Nemesis to 7 Wonders is just genius.

This resource truly could rival Barney!
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: Funt Solo 18 April, 2021, 11:02:58 PM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Big Push:
 - The A.B.C. Warriors
 - Blackblood
 - Deadlock
 - Dexter
 - Great Moments in Thrill-Power
 - Grey Area
 - Malone
 - Nemesis and Deadlock
 - Scarlet Traces
 - Shakara
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: Funt Solo 20 April, 2021, 05:47:12 AM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

It all counts:
 - Mayflies
 - Skizz
 - The Stainless Steel Rat
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: Colin YNWA 21 April, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
Funt Solo - just want to say I've used the A-Z for the first time in anger, not just admiration. I wanted to know how far ahead Sinister Dexter's first appearance in the Winter Special was compared to their Prog appearance and had forgotten it was almost a full year!
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: Funt Solo 21 April, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Yay - it's got a practical use!

I'm currently fiddling with narrowing some of the columns where the tables go too wide for a 1024 pixel layout. And thinking about doing an ABC highlights table.

---

I used the phrase "something something in anger" here in the US and got shocked responses - like "why were you angry?" and "it's probably not a good idea to be angry while you do a task". I don't often really, really miss Britain - but sometimes these US folk just don't understand our phrasing.





The c**ts.
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: Colin YNWA 21 April, 2021, 07:37:26 PM
I used the phrase "something something in anger" here in the US and got shocked responses - like "why were you angry?" and "it's probably not a good idea to be angry while you do a task". I don't often really, really miss Britain - but sometimes these US folk just don't understand our phrasing..

Oh not I meant I was bloody furious I wouldn't remember and I used it then throw my laptop across the room. Those Americans have a point!
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: Funt Solo 22 April, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
A-Z Updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

More eclectic, anthological data has been added:
 - Finder & Keeper
 - Firekind
 - Hall of Heroes
 - Hap Hazzard
 - Ro-Jaws' Robo-Tales
 - Tharg's 3rillers
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: Funt Solo 08 May, 2021, 06:31:58 PM
Currently trying to recall where Brass & Bland showed up in the Rogue Trooper stories.

I already have:
 - The Body Looters, prog 265
 - To The Ends Of Nu Earth, progs 387-392
 - The Professionals, 2019 Villains Special

Does anyone recall them showing up in other stories?

Here's a list of story titles between Body Looters and To The Ends:

All Hell On The Dix-I Front
Milli-Way Sixty-Six
[Pray For War] or [Waldos]
The Assassination Run
Hats Off To Helm
The Marauders
Fort Neuro
Major Magnam
Genetic Infantryman Of Nu Earth
Bio-Wire
Milli-Com Memories
The Droidonators
Vid-Vultures
Eye Of The Traitor
First Of The Few
The 'Frisco Phog
From Hell To Eternity
Mega-Minefield
The Gasbah
Timeslip
Colonel Kovert
You Only Die Twice
Message From Milli-Com
Portrait Of A Rebel
[The War Of Words]
Just Routine
[Blind Terror] or Blinded
Death Valley
M For Murder
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: Funt Solo 08 May, 2021, 07:26:05 PM
Ah - checked their entry in the Meg's Encyclopedia - so that adds in:

 - The Assassination Run
 - Eye of the Traitor
 - Hunted: Furies
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 31 May, 2021, 08:54:18 PM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Absalom
 - Mechastopheles
 - Survival Geeks

++TIDY-UP DROID++
- All
   - tidied for width (max. 1024px).
   - corrected capitalization.
   - data graphs labeled where ambiguous.
   - added missing Annual content (mostly features).
   - table header clarifications on multi-section tables.
   
- A to Z landing page now has a key [suggested by Sheridan].
- A to Z Issues Key updated.
- A.B.C. Warriors split into three sub-pages.
- Nemesis the Warlock split into four sub-pages.
- Sinister Dexter expanded out to eleven sub-pages.
- Scarlet Traces now includes the War of the Worlds adaptation from 2006.
- Torquemada gets his Day in the Death [thanks to Sheridan]
- Updated 3rillers, Terror Tales (for recent stories).
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: Colin YNWA 31 May, 2021, 08:56:31 PM
Its getting better and better. Just brilliant.
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: TordelBack 01 June, 2021, 01:53:49 PM
Let there be no mistake: this is stonkingly good resource. It's just eaten my entire lunch,   if you get my meaning.
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: Funt Solo 01 June, 2021, 03:12:06 PM
Oh, cool! Thanks for the positive feedback and I'm glad it's useful.

I've been doing quite a bit of behind the scenes prep. for it, and am excited about the big ones: Slaine (it's gonna be biblical), Rogue Torpor (sic) and Strontium Dog(s). And as for Dredd ... still turning a few dials and adjusting knobs ("Public indecency, creep! Three months!") but that'll be a bit of a doozy.

Also daydreaming about a "continuity" section to try and put things in context for the various 'verses: Millsverse, Dreddverse, Strontiverse, Rogueverse, Cabsverse etc.

Still willing to cheat the system and favor thrills for inclusion based on requests. Any takers?
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: Funt Solo 02 June, 2021, 06:01:36 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Brass Sun
 - Brink   
 - Insurrection

++TIDY-UP DROID++
 - Fixed bugs on Survival Geeks, Malone, Scarlet Traces
 - Fixed selected double-writer entries for clarity
 - Added media links
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: Funt Solo 03 June, 2021, 05:37:54 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Cadet Dredd
 - D.R. & Quinch
 - Department K
 - Intestinauts
 - Nikolai Dante
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: sheridan 03 June, 2021, 07:20:01 PM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - D.R. & Quinch

Now why doesn't that surprise me? ;-)
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: Funt Solo 04 June, 2021, 05:31:07 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Ro-Busters
 - Savage
 - Snapshot
 - Stickleback
 - Zippy Couriers
 - Zombo
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: Funt Solo 08 June, 2021, 03:38:03 AM
Pop quiz, muthafunstas!

In what story does DeMarco stop being a Judge? Is it The Scorpion Dance? Is she a civilian by the time we hit the Doomsday arc?
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: Colin YNWA 08 June, 2021, 06:22:25 AM
Ohhh she's defo a citizen in the Doomsday storyline. In my head it must happen in the Meg as I can't remember the specific story from my Prog re-read? But that might just be my shoddy memory...
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: AlexF 08 June, 2021, 09:59:46 AM
Is it not the end of 'Beyond the Call of Duty'?
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: Dark Jimbo 08 June, 2021, 11:47:27 AM
It's the final episode of The Scorpion Dance. Volt finds her guilty of unjudicial conduct - for kissing Dredd - and demotes her to the ranks with a proviso to undergo compulsory re-education; Demarco rankles at the re-education as she thinks she's done nothing wrong, and hands in her badge.
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: Funt Solo 08 June, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
Thank you!

So - follow-up question - would it be true to say that she's a PI during Doomsday?

(I'm attempting to tease out DeMarco stories into two linked sections: "Judge DeMarco" and "DeMarco, PI".)
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: Colin YNWA 08 June, 2021, 05:07:32 PM
Thank you!

So - follow-up question - would it be true to say that she's a PI during Doomsday?

(I'm attempting to tease out DeMarco stories into two linked sections: "Judge DeMarco" and "DeMarco, PI".)

Yeah that one's defo true - even my dodgy memory isn't going to trip me up there!
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: Funt Solo 08 June, 2021, 05:18:02 PM
Great, thanks.

Just planning out Dreddverse contents for the A-Z, wanted to give DeMarco her dues as having two professions.
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: Funt Solo 13 June, 2021, 04:13:04 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - 13 Thirteen
 - Glimmer Rats
 - Lenny Zero
 - Night Zero / Beyond Zero / Below Zero
 - R.A.M. Raiders
 - Zenith

++TIDY-UP DROID++
 - Added an icon on the main listing for (obvious) Dreddverse content.
 - Fixed a glitch where manually re-sizing the window made the chart grow exponentially taller.
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: Funt Solo 13 June, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
I added Slaine (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/Slaine/TirNanOg.html) with a biblical set of seven sections, which I didn't think too many. (Because it was just the right amount, in order to achieve the goal.)
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: Colin YNWA 13 June, 2021, 09:04:25 PM
3 (plus 4) is the magic number.
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: Funt Solo 16 June, 2021, 02:06:45 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Banzai Battalion
 - Caballistics, Inc.
 - The Diaboliks
 - Pandora Perfect
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: Funt Solo 19 June, 2021, 08:49:26 PM
Trying to collate appearances of The Kleggs.

So far, I've got:

The Day The Law Died (JD)
Night of the Bloodbeast (JD)
The Juve Mutated Kung Fu Kleggs (JD)
The Corps
The Kleggs (M201, their own one-off)
Meatmonger (JD)
Love Hurts (JD)
Saudade (JD)
Enceladus: New Life (JD)
Undercover Klegg (JD)

Plus Helter Skelter (alt. Grampus), Ace Trucking (generic foe) & solo appearances of Sensitive Klegg.

I expect I'm missing some..?

: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 20 June, 2021, 04:55:43 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - The Ballad of Halo Jones
 - Blackhawk
 - The Corps
 - Invasion!
 - Judge Dredd - 1977, 1978
 - Maelstrom
 - [Mechanismo]
 - [Rafe]
 - Tharg the Mighty
 - Tharg's Alien Invasions
 - Tharg's Dragon Tales
 - Tharg's Time Twisters
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 25 June, 2021, 04:16:21 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - The Alienist
 - American Reaper
 - Armoured Gideon
 - Disaster 1990
 - Judge Dredd 1979-2000
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 26 June, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rrhmyaR.png)

I just completed the Judge Dredd (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/JudgeDredd/1977.html) section, so it now runs from 1977-2021, and includes all prog, meg & specials content*.

I've tried to do crossover links with notable characters, who will have their own sections added in time - like McGruder and Otto Sump. These linkages are there in the Dredd data if you hover on the story title, it says (e.g.) "linked to Judge Hershey".

I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of Dredd and got half my data from my age-addled brain and the other half from Barney**. So I will have missed out some links - if you happen to spot any missing bits, please let me know and I can add them in.


*Except Heavy Metal Dredd and The Lost Cases, which will have their own sections. And it only goes so far as prog 2235 and meg 432, for the moment.

**The Barney character linkages dry up around prog 1933 and meg 335, so beyond those it's all my own research.
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: Colin YNWA 26 June, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
Well that is quite an achievement!

Also LOVE the choice of image. Perfect yet not one of the go toos so freshly original.
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: broodblik 26 June, 2021, 06:42:53 PM
Awesome Funt !!!!
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: Funt Solo 26 June, 2021, 07:22:40 PM
Well that is quite an achievement!

Also LOVE the choice of image. Perfect yet not one of the go toos so freshly original.

Thanks, Colin. In dreamland, I would have a separate image for each of the years, charting something of the artistic changes over time, but image capture and editing is one of the biggest time sinks on the project, so, for now, it's just going to be that one.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Mister Pops 26 June, 2021, 08:18:37 PM
What I enjoy most about this project is the pure self indulgent nerdiness of it. Much like Buttonman's Beast, it is done for the author's own amusement rather than any algorithm manipulation or social media traction. The internet, and in turn the world, would be a much better place with more Funt Solos and less Mark Zuckerbots.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 28 June, 2021, 05:59:19 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Mostly I'm trying to resolve tween-entry links with these additions (so blame Armoured Gideon, mostly), but then I couldn't resist adding Feral & Foe because I just finished the first series and it rocks my world. Realm snuck in as well. Demonic pact, probably.

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Abelard Snazz
 - Ace Trucking Co.
 - Agent Rat
 - Angel
 - Feral & Foe
 - Harry Twenty on the High Rock
 - The Helltrekkers
 - The Mind of Wolfie Smith         
 - Realm of the Damned
 - Reaper Files
 - Rick Random
 - Robo-Hunter [3 blends]   
 - Shako
 - The V.C.s
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 28 June, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
[pedant alert]
I notice under Judge Dredd you have either accidentally shifted every Meg by one month or you think each year ends with a January  ;)
Meg 201 is January 2003, Meg 214 is Jan 2004, M227 is Jan 2005, &c. etc.

 :thumbsup:
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 28 June, 2021, 01:01:51 PM
[pedant alert]

Safe to say you're in a safe place on this thread!
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Tjm86 28 June, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
[pedant alert]
or you think each year ends with a January  ;)


Dunno, have we specified which Calendar we are using? 

Don't forget Russia celebrates the October Revolution but the rest of the world thinks it happened in November ...
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 28 June, 2021, 03:48:22 PM
[pedant alert]
I notice under Judge Dredd you have either accidentally shifted every Meg by one month or you think each year ends with a January  ;)
Meg 201 is January 2003, Meg 214 is Jan 2004, M227 is Jan 2005, &c. etc.

 :thumbsup:

Hail fellow pedant and well met!

I'm entirely willing to accept that I may be wrong about my year-placement on some publications (especially around the dec/jan barrier, naturally), but something made me do it that way - probably to do with cover dates not being publication dates and suchlike. (You probably already know that most monthly publications are cover dated for when they should be taken off the shelves.)

There's also that "looks like a Xmas issue, I think I'll just put it in December" motive. Could partly be that.

We should have a sub-forum of pedants to make a ruling on this.  :)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 28 June, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
Just to follow up, you can see Meg 214 on Barney (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=megprofiles) - it has a cover date of 13th January, 2004, but the cover says "MONSTER Christmas ISSUE", and it comes with a 2004 calendar (which you'd want to supply just prior to 2004, one would hope).

It does get bundled with 2004 when you buy it off Rebellion, but their bundles don't always match the actual publication date.

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/megazine/mediumres/214.jpg)

In my publication spreadsheet, I have Meg 214 published alongside Festive Prog 2004, then Meg 215 alongside prog 1372 (the second prog of 2005).

Caveat: still willing to accept I'm wrong.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 29 June, 2021, 11:04:43 AM
I think I get where you're coming from; the cover date has almost nothing to do with when it is available on the shelves. However, if you don't use that 'metric' to classify them, then what do you use? The in-shop-date is variable and isn't on the cover. So, if you just rank them by issue number there is no point in ranking them by year... and then it gets a bit confusing.
I think you're pretty much stuck with using what is actually printed on the cover otherwise only you will know what the date means and this isn't Through the Looking-Glass.

The ones I really have a problem with are the 'Christmas' Progs. They are all wrong! I don't know who dreamt up the alternate Prog numbers, but it was a bad idea. Progs 2000, 2001, 2002 etc all the way up to 2015 should be in the previous year. Prog 2000 is Christmas 1999. Sure, they are end of year double issues, but if somebody asks me where I was for Christmas 2000 I don't think they mean 1999! Otherwise, that way madness lies!  ;)

Let's not get started on the Winter Specials though. They appear to sport the correct date, but Winter is from December to March...  ::)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: I, Cosh 29 June, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
The available date (and thus publication year) of any given Prog or Meg is the cover date of the previous issue + 1. However, for the purposes of "best of year X" polls, the year end Prog should always be considered as part of the following (cover date) year as usually a bunch of new stories start in that issue.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 29 June, 2021, 12:23:11 PM
Can't say I agree with that. Cataloguing should be based on what is consistently measurable: the cover date. Whether or not a new story starts in it doesn't alter the year of publication. Plenty of stories start and end throughout the year. I think I'll stick with how they are listed on here: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/2000-ad (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/2000-ad)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: sheridan 29 June, 2021, 12:25:00 PM
I don't know who dreamt up the alternate Prog numbers, but it was a bad idea. Progs 2000, 2001, 2002 etc all the way up to 2015 should be in the previous year. Prog 2000 is Christmas 1999. Sure, they are end of year double issues, but if somebody asks me where I was for Christmas 2000 I don't think they mean 1999! Otherwise, that way madness lies!  ;)

Nah - Prog 2000 had a cover date of 28 September 2016...



On the general topic - the cover date on British comics traditionally isn't a publication date, or even a guide for people making databases when home computing became practical decades later - it's a guide to the newsagent on when to take the comic off the shelves and replace it with the next one.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 29 June, 2021, 05:12:00 PM
Cataloguing should be based on what is consistently measurable: the cover date.

When I read that this morning I metaphorically spat my tea all over the screen. If only such a beast existed as the fabled consistently measurable cover date, I might use it. You pointed out yourself in your previous posts some of the things that don't stand up to that measure. Others have pointed out the truth that the date on the cover is not the publication date - like all good scientists, once we have that new information, it would behoove us to act on it, rather than doggedly stick to our original position.

Ultimately, my data is trying to provide some measure of reality to my hobby of trying to collate the correct order in which the stories were published. As to why that's important to me: it ties especially into crossover events like Every Empire Falls.

And we most certainly are through the looking glass. Take prog 2000. Or do I mean Prog 2000? There's the Prog 2000 published in 1999 (that is actually the one thousand, one hundred and seventy-fourth issue of 2000 AD), and then there's the prog 2000 published in 2016 (that's actually the 2016th issue of 2000 AD). Which means that the lowly prog 1984 is the real prog 2000!

Don't forget the Annuals - each one named for the upcoming year, and published, as far as I can tell, around August.

My data, for certain is not perfect, but it's attempting to get the publication order correct. Cover dates do not always help in this endeavor.

---

One final point - have you read Megazine 433 yet? You cannot answer "yes" using your preferred cataloging system, because look at the cover date - it says July 20th, 2021, which has not yet come to pass.

: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 29 June, 2021, 05:55:32 PM
Sorry to bang on (not really), but I was scratching my head about a particularly brutal example and finally remembered it.

Check out Barney (caveat: I'm entirely not worthy when it comes to the wonder that is Barney) for Megazine 1.20 and Megazine 2.01.

Barney says:

Meg 1.20, COVER DATE: 1st May, 1992
Meg 2.01, COVER DATE: 2nd May, 1992

This is the switch over from the monthly volume #1 into the fortnightly volume #2 - and no, they weren't published a day apart. In all likelihood, the 2.01 cover date given in Barney is probably the real publication date, because the cover provides a range "May 2-15", which would have given the shop a clue for a system they were not used to dealing with.

Then the 1.20 cover date is one month out of the actual publication date, as is standard, so that was probably published on the 1st of April. So, they were in all probability published one month apart, not one day apart.

(https://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/joker-704285.jpg)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 29 June, 2021, 07:53:37 PM
This has reminded me of one of my favorite YouTube videos: The Problem with Time & Timezones - Computerphile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY)

The presenter does a great job of descending into partial madness as he explains the issue in great depth.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Mister Pops 29 June, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
This has reminded me of one of my favorite YouTube videos: The Problem with Time & Timezones - Computerphile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY)

The presenter does a great job of descending into partial madness as he explains the issue in great depth.

The presenter is Tom Scott and his youtube channel is fantastic. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL96C35uN7xGI9HGKHsArwxiOejecVyNem)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 30 June, 2021, 05:13:32 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Dice Man
 - Harlem Heroes (both of 'em)
 - Hondo City Justice
 - Hope...
 - Hunted

++TIDY-UP DROID++
Added a Rogueverse icon.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 30 June, 2021, 05:34:24 PM
Cataloguing should be based on what is consistently measurable: the cover date.

When I read that this morning I metaphorically spat my tea all over the screen. If only such a beast existed as the fabled consistently measurable cover date, I might use it....

Yeah, I think I was being a little optimistic when I mentioned cover dates! However, it has only really become a problem since 2010 and I did mention the oddball Xmas progs with their own numbering. So I didn't really need to have that explained again.

Anyway, I did some digging and starting with the reboot in 2003, went through all of the issues to match cover date with the release date. 2003 to 2008 have 13 issues per year but things start to go out of synch with the cover date in 2009 when there were 14 issues. From that point onwards the "January" release is dated February. However, everything before that was released really close to the cover date so January really was January. So, I stand by my assertion that:
Meg 201 is January 2003, Meg 214 is Jan 2004, M227 is Jan 2005 etc.
at least up to 2009. I'm sure there are some bonkers exceptions from previous years but I didn't go any further back. Anyhoo, maybe you find this useful; some obvious errors in Rebellion's release dates I have marked red:

:
2003 - 13 issues every 4 weeks reboot resize for new year
201 Cover Date 14 jan Release Date 29 jan
202 Cover Date 11 feb Release Date 11 feb
203 Cover Date 11 mar Release Date 19 mar
204 Cover Date 08 apr Release Date 23 apr
205 Cover Date 06 may Release Date 06 may
206 Cover Date 03 jun Release Date 03 jun
207 Cover Date 01 jul Release Date 01 jul
208 Cover Date 29 jul Release Date [color=red]27 aug[/color]
209 Cover Date 26 aug Release Date 26 aug
210 Cover Date 23 sep Release Date 23 sep
211 Cover Date 21 oct Release Date 21 oct
212 Cover Date 18 nov Release Date 18 nov
213 Cover Date 16 dec Release Date 16 dec

2004 - 13 issues
214 Cover Date 13 jan Release Date 28 jan
215 Cover Date 10 feb Release Date 25 feb
216 Cover Date 8 mar Release Date 24 mar
217 Cover Date 6 apr Release Date 6 apr
218 Cover Date 4 may Release Date 18 may
219 Cover Date 1 jun Release Date 1 jun
220 Cover Date 29 jun Release Date 21 jul
221 Cover Date 27 jul Release Date 18 aug
222 Cover Date 24 aug Release Date 24 aug
223 Cover Date 21 sep Release Date 21 sep
224 Cover Date 19 oct Release Date 19 oct
225 Cover Date 16 nov Release Date 16 nov
226 Cover Date 14 dec Release Date 29 dec

2005 - 13 issues
227 Cover Date 11 jan Release Date 11 jan
228 Cover Date 8 feb Release Date 8 feb
229 Cover Date 8 mar Release Date 8 mar
230 Cover Date 5 apr Release Date 5 apr
231 Cover Date 3 may Release Date 3 may
232 Cover Date 31 may Release Date 31 may
233 Cover Date 28 jun Release Date 28 jun
234 Cover Date 26 jul Release Date 26 jul
235 Cover Date 23 aug Release Date 24 aug
236 Cover Date 20 sep Release Date 19 oct
237 Cover Date 23 oct Release Date 23 nov
238 Cover Date 15 nov Release Date 7 dec
239 Cover Date 13 dec Release Date 13 dec

2006 - 13 issues
240 Cover Date 10 jan Release Date 10 jan
241 Cover Date 7 feb Release Date 7 feb
242 Cover Date 7 mar Release Date 7 mar
243 Cover Date 4 apr Release Date 4 apr
244 Cover Date 2 may Release Date 2 may
245 Cover Date 30 may Release Date 30 may
246 Cover Date 27 jun Release Date [color=red]19 jul[/color]
247 Cover Date 25 jul Release Date [color=red]23 aug[/color]
248 Cover Date 22 aug Release Date 22 aug
249 Cover Date 19 sep Release Date 19 sep
250 Cover Date 17 oct Release Date 17 oct
251 Cover Date 14 nov Release Date 6 dec
252 Cover Date 12 dec Release Date 27 dec

2007 - 13 issues
253 Cover Date 9 jan Release Date 9 jan
254 Cover Date 6 feb Release Date 6 feb
255 Cover Date 6 mar Release Date 6 mar
256 Cover Date 3 apr Release Date 3 apr
257 Cover Date 1 may Release Date 1 may
258 Cover Date 29 may Release Date 29 may
259 Cover Date 26 jun Release Date 26 jun
260 Cover Date 24 jul Release Date [color=red]22 aug[/color]
261 Cover Date 21 aug Release Date 21 aug
262 Cover Date 18 sep Release Date 24 oct
263 Cover Date 16 oct Release Date 7 nov
264 Cover Date 13 nov Release Date 28 nov
265 Cover Date 11 dec Release Date 26 dec

2008 - 13 issues
266 Cover Date 8 jan Release Date 8 jan
267 Cover Date 5 feb Release Date 5 feb
268 Cover Date 4 mar Release Date 4 mar
269 Cover Date 1 apr Release Date 1 apr
270 Cover Date 29 apr Release Date 29 apr
271 Cover Date 27 may Release Date 27 may
272 Cover Date 24 jun Release Date 24 jun
273 Cover Date 22 jul Release Date 23 jul
274 Cover Date 19 aug Release Date 27 aug
275 Cover Date 17 sep Release Date 24 sep
276 Cover Date 14 oct Release Date 22 oct
277 Cover Date 11 Nov Release Date 26 nov
278 Cover Date 9 Dec Release Date 24 dec

2009  - 14 Issues
279 Cover Date 6 Jan Release Date 7 jan
280 Cover Date 3 feb Release Date 3 feb
281 Cover Date 3 mar Release Date 3 mar
282 Cover Date 31 mar Release Date 31 mar
283 Cover Date 28 apr Release Date 28 apr
284 Cover Date 26 may Release Date 26 may
285 Cover Date 23 jun Release Date 23 jun
286 Cover Date 21 jul Release Date [color=red]20 may[/color]
287 Cover Date 18 aug Release Date 18 aug
288 Cover Date 15 sep Release Date 15 sep
289 Cover Date 13 oct Release Date [color=red]16 sep[/color]
290 Cover Date 10 nov Release Date [color=red]28 oct[/color]
291 Cover Date 8 dec Release Date 25 nov
292 Cover Date 5 jan Release Date 23 dec

2010 - 13 issues
293 Cover Date 2 Feb Release Date 6 jan
294 Cover Date 2 mar Release Date 3 feb
295 Cover Date 30 mar Release Date 3 mar
296 Cover Date 27 apr Release Date 31 mar
297 Cover Date 25 may Release Date 28 apr
298 Cover Date 22 jun Release Date 26 may
299 Cover Date 28 jul Release Date 21 jul
300 Cover Date 17 aug Release Date 21 jul
301 Cover Date 14 sep Release Date 18 aug
302 Cover Date 12 oct Release Date 29 sep
303 Cover Date 9 nov Release Date 24 nov
304 Cover Date 7 dec Release Date 10 nov
305 Cover Date 4 jan Release Date 29 dec




: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 30 June, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
Just to follow up, you can see Meg 214 on Barney (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=megprofiles) - it has a cover date of 13th January, 2004, but the cover says "MONSTER Christmas ISSUE", and it comes with a 2004 calendar (which you'd want to supply just prior to 2004, one would hope).

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/megazine/mediumres/214.jpg)

Given that information - "MONSTER Christmas ISSUE", and the contents of the comic including the Christmas-themed Dredd tale "Turkey Shoot", and the fact that the cover date of a monthly publication is not the publication date, why do you remain convinced that it was published in January?

What am I missing? Is it just that Rebellion's web site has written "released 13th Jan 2004"? Because it looks like they just wrote that in because it's the cover date. Which is not the publication date, as has been mentioned a few times.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 30 June, 2021, 06:23:42 PM
I don't think you're missing anything. The editor's letter also mentions having "had a lot of fun with the Meg in 2003. But trust me you ain't seen nothing yet." Kinda implying this is the start of a new year. I'm just going on the available data - of course it's bleedin' obvious there are Xmas episodes in these progs/megs - but there aren't any other available dates and Reb's own site lists 214 as the first issue for the year. If Rebellion think it's issue one of 2004, who am I to argue?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: I, Cosh 30 June, 2021, 06:26:44 PM
Which I wasn't on holiday right now so I could properly join in with this one!
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 30 June, 2021, 06:41:15 PM
I'm just going on the available data

You're using one source, and I don't understand why you're ignoring the thing about the cover date being the "remove from the shelf" date for monthly publications. Why ignore that?

---

We could segue slightly here - the encyclopedia that they're currently serializing in the Meg floppies is (of course) a great resource. But it has mistakes in it. It's also published by Rebellion - which is just a collection of people who are just as fallible as anyone else.

---

Edit: not that any of this really matters. You're perfectly welcome to use your system for your data collation. The problems of us two squaxx don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 30 June, 2021, 06:49:57 PM
...Barney says:

Meg 1.20, COVER DATE: 1st May, 1992
Meg 2.01, COVER DATE: 2nd May, 1992

This is the switch over from the monthly volume #1 into the fortnightly volume #2 - and no, they weren't published a day apart...

It's actually worse than that ;)
Meg 1.20 has a cover date of 20th May and inside says the first fortnightly Meg [2.01] goes on sale May 2nd "in just two weeks".  :lol:
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 30 June, 2021, 06:55:14 PM
I'm just going on the available data

You're using one source, and I don't understand why you're ignoring the thing about the cover date being the "remove from the shelf" date for monthly publications. Why ignore that?
I'm not ignoring it and neither is it gospel, but it is just as variable as all the other data.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 30 June, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
I am silly because I forgot that the evidence I needed is right here on the forum: Meg 214 review thread, from December 2003 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=7335.0). Case closed, m'lud.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Lorenzo 30 June, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Well, it's always good to have multiple sources.  :D
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 03 July, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
Anyone recall the first appearance of Judge Shenker, head of Psi-Div?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 03 July, 2021, 03:17:51 PM
Anyone recall the first appearance of Judge Shenker, head of Psi-Div?

Wasn't it A Chief Judge Resigns in prog 457?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 03 July, 2021, 03:23:32 PM
Ah - there he is! Thanks. So, he had hair then. Which means that's also Shenker in Engram.

He's been around a good long while.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 03 July, 2021, 03:31:02 PM
He's been around a good long while.

And then some! Unlike his hair, of course - last seen in Necropolis, I think?

Surely only currently beaten by Dredd, Hershey and Anderson in terms of longest-appearing Judges still extant?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: I, Cosh 03 July, 2021, 06:06:58 PM
Surely only currently beaten by Dredd, Hershey and Anderson in terms of longest-appearing Judges still extant?
Prager?

And isn't there a weird inconsistency with Schenker?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 03 July, 2021, 09:11:15 PM
And isn't there a weird inconsistency with Schenker?

He's referenced in the Cadet Anderson stories as being head of Psi Division, despite that making no chronological sense - is that what you were thinking of?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: I, Cosh 04 July, 2021, 11:28:35 AM
And isn't there a weird inconsistency with Schenker?

He's referenced in the Cadet Anderson stories as being head of Psi Division, despite that making no chronological sense - is that what you were thinking of?
I thought it was something more radical like he’d been killed off then they just forgot about it. However, I think you’re right and I was just blowing bubbles.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 05 July, 2021, 07:39:51 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Big news is that I'm 25% done on this project.

I also added a new Judge... (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ/Judge/GiantJnr.html) section, to deal with those recurring characters that don't have their own series. I started it up with the two Giants, Logan and our friends Patsy & Wrexler.

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Ant Wars
 - Captain Klep
 - Counterfeit Girl
 - Dan Dare
 - Inaba
 - [Judge...]
   - Giant, Jnr.         
   - Giant, Snr.
   - Logan
   - Patsy & Wrexler
 - Meltdown Man   
 - Missionary Man
 - Shadows
 - Shimura
 - Tharg's Thrill Archives
 - [The Traitor General]
 - Venus Bluegenes
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: broodblik 05 July, 2021, 07:53:03 AM
Funt I really like your ABC's. You can maybe add a Nemesisverse and a Dogverse icons as well :)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: AlexF 05 July, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
I am super excited for the ability to scroll through individual characters to see how often/when they have appeared. I'm guessing Shenker took over from Omar, who had to sacrifice himself in that one yellow peril story that had great art that we try to forget about...
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 05 July, 2021, 03:37:50 PM
You can maybe add a Nemesisverse and a Dogverse icons as well :)

Aye, those two are definitely up for consideration.

Dogverse would obs be a wee SD badge, although I'm not sure how many strips that would encompass...let me check the list...

Durham Red
The Gronk
Middenface McNulty
Stix
Strontium Dog
Tales From the Doghouse
Strontium Dogs
Wulf Sternhammer
Young Middenface

Yeah - that seems icon-worthy.

---

With the Nemiverse, I was toying with the idea of doing a Millsverse icon, but it's so all-encompassing - where sometimes the narrative links are stretched. I'm not sure. The list *feels* like it would be vast. Let's see...

ABC Warriors
Blackblood
Deadlock
Flesh
Invasion!
Disaster 1990
Joe Pineapples
Nemesis and Deadlock
Nemesis the Warlock
Ro-Busters
Satanus
Savage

Not too bad, actually. For some reason, I though that list would be longer.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 05 July, 2021, 03:39:27 PM
...that one yellow peril story that had great art that we try to forget about...

The Warlord!

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/454.jpg)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 06 July, 2021, 05:23:16 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Black Shuck   
 - Outlier   
 - Rico Dredd
 - Rogue Trooper
 - Rogue Trooper [Fr1day]
 
++TIDY-UP DROID++
 - Millsverse icon added
 - Dogverse icon added (although not used yet)
 - Sub-menus now load at sub-menu rather than top of page
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: AlexF 06 July, 2021, 02:21:49 PM
Just had a nosey on the Judges... section.
Super work indexing those secondary characters! This is shaping uo to be a proper rival to Barney as an all-purpose 2000AD resource.
However, was Judge Giant, Sr, not a reasonably key figure in 'The Day the Law Died'?
and I think that role was repirsed somewhat in Helter Skelter, or possibly one of the other times Judge Cal resurfaced.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 06 July, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
However, was Judge Giant, Sr, not a reasonably key figure in 'The Day the Law Died'?
and I think that role was repirsed somewhat in Helter Skelter, or possibly one of the other times Judge Cal resurfaced.

You're absolutely right, on both counts.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 06 July, 2021, 02:50:10 PM
I’ll adjust the data on my next sweep. Thanks, btw - feedback on what I’ve missed is exactly what’s needed. My brain only knows so much, and especially on Dredd it can be a bit rusty.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 06 July, 2021, 04:37:06 PM
So, my spreadsheet contains two types of character link.

If it says "Linked to...", that means there's a separate section set apart for the linked story or character.
If it says "Featuring...", that is just a mention - there's no separate section.

---

For The Day the Law Died, I currently have:

Linked to:
[Judge Cal]
The Kleggs
Judge Goodman
Judge Griffin

Featuring:
Judge-Tutor Pepper
Fergee

I'm going to add Judge Giant, Snr. to the "Linked" section.

---

For Helter Skelter, it's a bit complicated:

Linked to:
[Judge Cal]
Judge Hershey
[Rico Dredd]

Then I have a massive note:

A dimensional crossover tale.
Also featuring:
 - The Geeks (The VC's)
 - Call-Me-Kenneth (Robot Wars)
 - Judge Giant, Snr.
 - The Dark Judges
 - An invader (Colony Earth)
 - The Titan of Peem (Ace Trucking)
 - Grampus, a Klegg (The Day the Law Died)
 - Murd the Oppressor (The Judge Child)
 - Captain Skank (Pirates of the Black Atlantic)
 - Fink Angel
 - War Marshal Kazan (The Apocalpyse War)
 - Don Uggie Apelino (The Ape Gang)
 - A Smiling Chuckwalla (Strontium Dog)
 - Nort infantry (Rogue Trooper)
 - Captain Constanta (Fiends of the Eastern Front)
 - Old One Eye (Flesh)
 - D.R. & Quinch

And radio transmissions from:
 - The Ballad of Halo Jones
 - The VC's
 - M.A.C.H. 1
 - Rogue Trooper
 - Ace Trucking Co.

And in the episode #7 splash:
 - Nemesis the Warlock
 - The A.B.C. Warriors
 - Rogue Trooper
 - Robo-Hunter
 - Ro-Jaws
 - Slaine
 - Halo Jones

So, do you think the other-dimensional Giant deserves to be shifted over to the Linked section?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: AlexF 07 July, 2021, 09:11:33 AM
I would say no - he's only doing the same job as the other cameos, not adding to the wider lore of Giant.
Massively appreciate the thoroughness of that extended Helter Skelter list!
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 07 July, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
I was scanning the Anderson story WiiERD (M272-M276) the other day, and had forgotten that it also has a broad cameo section in a VR situation, featuring:

 - Cyber-Matt
 - Tharg the Mighty
 - Bill Savage
 - Blackhawk
 - Space Girls
 - Ant Wars
 - Shako
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 09 July, 2021, 05:16:16 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Anderson Psi Division      
 - The Angel Gang
 - Angelic
 - [Corann & Lesley Ryan]
 - [Orlok the Assassin]
 - The Red Seas
 
++TIDY-UP DROID++
 - Armoured Gideon - popup crossover data added
 - Cursed Earth Koburn - added Biohazard (SFS'21)
 - Hondo City Justice - added SFS'21 data
 - Inaba - added Daughters of Uranium (SFS'21)
 - Judge Dredd | 1978 - added Giant link to The Day the Law Died
 - Judge Dredd | 1979 - [Surprise Party] crossover data added
 - Judge Dredd | 1990 - updated links out of wider Necropolis saga
 - Judge Dredd | 2001 - Helter Skelter links updated
 - Judge Dredd | 2021 - added SFS'21 data
 - [Judge Giant, Snr.] - added two missing listings [thanks, AlexF!]
 - Mechastopheles - updated The Hunting Party
 - Sinister Dexter | 2009-2010 - Wish You Were Here crossover data added
 - Sinister Dexter | 2011-2016 - Now & Again crossover data added
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 10 July, 2021, 05:50:14 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - The Kleggs   
 - [Sensitive Klegg]
 - Tharg's Future Shocks
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 11 July, 2021, 11:29:05 PM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

Big Deadworld push today, and some other bits and bobs...

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Dandridge
 - The Dark Judges
 - [Deadworld]
 - Dreams of Deadworld
 - The Fall of Deadworld
 - Jaegir
 - The Journal of Luke Kirby
 - Judge Death   
 - The Mean Machine
 - Past Imperfect
 - Pulp Sci-Fi
 - [The Sisters of Death]
 - Tales From Beyond Science
 - Tales of Telguuth
 - Vector 13
 - Visions of Deadworld
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 12 July, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
Is the current Judge Rico a clone of Dredd or a clone of Fargo?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 12 July, 2021, 06:22:55 PM
Is the current Judge Rico a clone of Dredd or a clone of Fargo?

Fargo.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 14 July, 2021, 05:09:34 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - Dead Eyes
 - Durham Red
 - Fink Angel
 - Four-Colour Classics
 - Freaks
 - Future Shorts
 - Greysuit
 - Indigo Prime
 - Inferno
 - [Judge...Cal]
 - [Judge...Rico]
 - M.A.C.H. 1
 - MACH Zero
 - The Man from the Ministry
 - Max Normal
 - The Mean Arena & Mean Arena    
 - Tales From Mega-City One
 - Tales From the Black Museum
 - Thistlebone 
 - Tyranny Rex   
 - Young Death   
 - Young Middenface McNulty
 - Zancudo
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: broodblik 14 July, 2021, 05:48:17 AM
Me being me maybe an Indigo Prime-verse icon as well but yes great stuff so far !!!!
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 14 July, 2021, 06:23:24 AM
I had to think really hard about whether Disaster 1990 really deserves the Millsverse icon. On the one hand, there's Bill Savage (so, that's the link), but on the other hand there's nothing else Millsverse in that story at all.

I hadn't read Disaster 1990 all the way through before doing this project - I love that one of the enemies he comes up against is a crazy old coot who has gained control of a squadron of deadly attack swans through the use of his magic bird call! England's been flooded for about a week, but this guy has a ten-year beard, which means he's been stalking the fens for years, picking off unwary twitchers.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: AlexF 14 July, 2021, 07:05:58 AM
I'd say we're about due for a new story about people in future(ish) Britain coping with a sudden, country-wide disaster of some kind...
they definitely do seem to bring the weirdoes out of the woodwork.

Also, I vote 'no' to putting the Millsverse icon on Disaster 1990, at least until the point that some writer has a going at telling a 'flooded brtiain' story and Pat gets cross with them for doing it.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 14 July, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
Me being me maybe an Indigo Prime-verse icon as well but yes great stuff so far !!!!

Hmm, a Smithverse icon is not a bad idea - Indigo Prime, Revere and Tyranny Rex are all now explicitly linked, and there's a strong case to be made for Firekind, too; but then why not an Edgiverse as well? Brass Sun, Kingmaker, Stickleback and (maybe) Leviathan are definitely connected; and Red Seas is connected to Ampney Crucis...

Tooth does love a shared universe.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: sheridan 14 July, 2021, 08:47:50 PM
So... how far through the project would you say you are at the moment?


(though obviously once 'complete' it won't really be complete as it's about an ongoing publication).
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 14 July, 2021, 10:03:42 PM
So... how far through the project would you say you are at the moment?

35.03%* (although that stat is treating each entry as being of the same value - it takes longer to put a multi-pager like Sinister Dexter in place than, say, The Zaucer of Zilk).

There are still 28 [Judge...] entries to add. The really obvious omission so far feels to me like it's Strontium Dog, but Durham Red and Young Middenface have started that ball rolling. Anyway - I have another 400 things to add before it's "finished".

* which includes four things you can't see yet on the live version.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 15 July, 2021, 03:12:38 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
  - Dredd
 - [Fatties]   
 - Flesh
 - Judge Fear            
 - Judge Hershey
 - Orlok, Agent of East-Meg One
 - Ratfink
 - Thrill-Power Overload
 - [Vienna Dredd / Pasternak]
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 15 July, 2021, 06:05:40 AM
I think Dredd and Armitage met at some point before the events of The Underground (megs 318-321), because they're not pleased to see each other. Can anyone remember when they met previously?
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: abelardsnazz 15 July, 2021, 07:50:06 AM
I think Dredd and Armitage met at some point before the events of The Underground (megs 318-321), because they're not pleased to see each other. Can anyone remember when they met previously?

It was in Dave Stone's 1993 novel Deathmasques: http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=masques (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=masques)
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Dark Jimbo 15 July, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
Judge Cal's also in Behold the Beast from the '83 Judge Dredd Annual, and No more Jimmy Deans from Meg 3.39.
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 26 July, 2021, 05:41:59 AM
Judge Cal's also in Behold the Beast from the '83 Judge Dredd Annual, and No more Jimmy Deans from Meg 3.39.

Thanks, DJ - I added those.


A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
 - The 86ers
 - 2000 AD Art Stars Winner!            
 - Ampney Crucis Investigates…
 - Armitage
 - Bad Company
 - Brass & Bland
 - Button Man
 - [Dolman]
 - [Feral Jackson]
 - The Grievous Journey of Ichabod Azrael…   
 - The Gronk
 - [Mrs Gunderson]
 - Helium
 - Hook Jaw
 - [Judge...Fargo]
 - [Kraken]
 - Middenface McNulty
 - [One-Offs]
 - The Order
 - Satanus
 - Strontium Dog
 - Strontium Dog: Tales From the Doghouse
 - Strontium Dogs   
 - Walter The Wobot
 - Wulf Sternhammer
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 01 August, 2021, 05:42:29 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
- 15 Years, Creep
- A.H.A.B.
- Age of the Wolf
- Go Machine
- Harry Kipling (Deceased)
- Hewligan's Haircut
- Red Fang
- Rose O'Rion

++TIDY-UP DROID++
- Anderson Psi Division: added The Boyhood of a Superfiend
- The Angel Gang: added Travels With Muh Shrink
- Cursed Earth Koburn: The Assizes linked to Judge Death
- The Dark Judges: added Masque of the Judge, Death
- Judge Death: Masque links, added Assizes
- Judge Dredd | 1978: Night of the Vampire, The Sleeper Awakes (links to Booth)
- Judge Dredd | 1978-79: The Day the Law Died (links to Walter)
- Judge Dredd | 1987-88: Oz (added covers data)
- Judge Dredd | 1988: added floating cover Citizens Against Change
- Judge Dredd | 1990-91: added The Boyhood of a Superfiend
- Judge Dredd | 1991: added Travels With Muh Shrink
- Judge Dredd | 1992: The Taking of Sector 123 (links to McGruder)
- Judge Dredd | 1993: Mechanismo Returns (links to McGruder), added Brief Encounter
- Judge Dredd | 1996: Declaration of War & Bongo War (more character links)
- Judge Dredd | 1997: Fog on the Eerie (links to Booth)
- Judge Dredd | 2000: Blood Cadets (links to Rico Dredd)
- Judge Dredd | 2001: On the Chief Judge's Service (links to Judge Hershey)
- Judge Dredd | 2002: Sin City (links to Judge Guthrie)
- Judge Dredd | 2005: Flood's Thirteen: Unlucky For Some (links to Judge Hershey)
- Judge Dredd | 2006-07: Origins (links to Booth)
- Judge Dredd | 2017: Sons of Booth & Icon (links to Sons of Booth), Big Meg gets cameo data
- Judge Dredd | 2018: Flaws & The Booth Conspiracy (links to Sons of Booth)
- [Judge...Fargo]'s opening text updated
- [Judge...Giant, Jnr.]: added Bongo War
- Judge Hershey: added The Boyhood of a Superfiend, On the Chief Judge's Service, Flood's Thirteen: Unlucky For Some & The Booth Conspiracy
- The Mean Machine: Travels With Muh Shrink links
- [Rico Dredd]: added Blood Cadets
- Walter the Wobot: added The Day the Law Died
- Young Death: more links out of The Boyhood of a Superfiend
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 01 August, 2021, 05:02:31 PM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html)

++NEW SECTIONS++
- American Gothic
- Angel Zero
- Bad City Blue
- Interceptor
- [Joe Black]
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Colin YNWA 01 August, 2021, 05:16:06 PM
There's so much there! How much more do you think you've got to go???
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 02 August, 2021, 12:40:24 AM
58%
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Funt Solo 02 August, 2021, 05:39:52 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html) - now 43.62% complete, but who's counting?

++NEW SECTIONS++
- The Balls Brothers
- Calhab Justice
- Chopper
- Comicana
- Hershey
- Interrogation
- Joe Pineapples
- Killer
- [Owen Krysler]
- Return to Armageddon
- Revere
- The Scrap
- Slaughter Bowl
: Re: Now I Know My ABCs...
: Colin YNWA 02 August, 2021, 06:20:26 AM
A-Z updates (https://2kstages.github.io/AtoZ.html) - now 43.62% complete, but who's counting?

Why did I not know you would have an exact answer to that one!