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Title: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 December, 2021, 08:01:00 PM
No Zarjaz 100-page mega-special thread yet? Blimey. Then I'll dig right in:

We're in perfect-bound territory, as usual, and there's a nice wraparound cover by Toby Willsmer. A chunky Droid Life offers plenty of laughs before Judge Dredd does the same. This tale delightfully lampoons a certain high-profile tech figure, along with featuring a meet-up between three Judge Dredds. This is skilfully written. I know some people were suspicious of what we'd get, but it's a lot of fun and a one-and-done.

Next up, Deadworld is gruesome, with Tharg apparently having very odd ideas as to what constitutes a festive tale. A short break for a fun Doug Church interview and then we're on to the new Kingmaker, which kicks off a second after the series cliffhanger. New readers should be able to catch up easily enough, mind.

Dexter was a mixed bag for me — a nice enough tale in and of itself, but the realisation for the lead is about as cliched as they come. Then The Order comes knocking with some lovely visuals but, I'm struggling to keep up with the plot.

Tales of Mega-City One gives us a tale that neatly weaves through a classic Dredd, and then The  Out provides a little levity after an episode of dread. Proteus Vex rounds out a solid Prog of extra-length thrills, and bodes well for a new year that will begin with a line-up of Dredd/The Order/Kingmaker/The Out/Proteus Vex.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 December, 2021, 09:21:17 PM
The cruel irony is after a few choppy weeks with the Prog arriving late, this one dropped on Saturday, early for my normal delivery even... and of course I'm not reading it. Taking my normal tack with these issues of saving it until X-Mas day... damnit!
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 15 December, 2021, 02:40:19 AM
Cover by Toby Willsmer:

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Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 15 December, 2021, 02:41:02 AM
Cover and Logo:

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Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 15 December, 2021, 02:41:54 AM
Front Page:

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Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 15 December, 2021, 05:04:11 AM
It is now tradition for the xmas prog to close-out the year. On reflection this year's prog was good with a slight dip mid-year picking up with a very good run to the end. The biggest disappointment was Slaine and not that it ended but it ended with a fizzle and not a BANG! (it always read like the first book of a trilogy). Jaegir was another disappointment (I really love this thrill) and it had nothing to do with the quality rather the lack of quantity (only 3 episodes the last few years). The Out, Feral and Foe, Proteus Vex and Thistlebone all had its second arcs and all of them equaled or even surpassed the first arc – bravo Tharg.

Does the xmas prog deliver on thrills and it is a resounding yes. Full marks for me and it is always a good sign when you struggle to choose your favorite. Now let's get to it.

Dredd – Another classic by Niemand whom we all know by now can weave a nice Dredd tale. I like how he makes fun of the different versions of Dredd especially Mr. Rambo. The third pages we get treated with the tooths different versions of Dredd – a very nice touch

Deadworld – As always, the twisted dark world of Deadworld makes out for the "perfect" xmas story.  Enjoyed this one and Kendall's art sets the mood perfectly.

Kingmaker – The episode starts where the previous arc stopped, and we have a battle royale on our hands. Leigh's awesome art dominates the episode as Edginton gives as more back-story. Super good opening.

Dexter – More of filler episode before the main saga continues and it was a very good filler. I always liked Steve Yeowell's simplistic portrayal of the characters, but I must admit that Tazio is really nailing the strip.

The Order – The voyage or rather roller-coaster rides continue. This is one of those strips why I like tooth it is absurd out-of-this-world twisting tale, and you better keep your hat on. Interesting opening episode let the mad dash voyage continue.

Tales from Mega-City One – Reflections and nostalgia with a trip out of memory lane. A good one-shot out the world of Dredd.

The Out – This is a more toned down or rather flat episode (but not in a bad way) from the previous emotional driven episodes: love, lost and found, fear and despair. This episode gives Abnett time to give us more background on the Tankinar and hopefully we will learn with time what Marabunda means. The nice thing it will also continue into the new year.

Proteus Vex – One of my favorite new thrills. The opening episode delivers a great episode and gives us more background about the "Sinclair" people. Interesting and absorbing episode awesome stuff.

I will not spoil it but we have some interesting events looming in the future we even have an add for a strip coming to prog 2300 and meg 448.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 15 December, 2021, 08:51:05 AM
The cover WIP:

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Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: The Corinthian on 15 December, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
Good to see [spoiler]Midnight Indicating Shame[/spoiler] back. I was a bit worried that she and [spoiler]Vex [/spoiler]might have parted ways for good.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Bad City Blue on 16 December, 2021, 11:29:59 AM
Just read Dredd - absolutely brilliant both script and art, I laughed several times.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Bad City Blue on 16 December, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
Question about the Tales Of Mega City One

At the end there's a line about Dredd taking the Long Walk on new years day. Is this just a throwaway or is it happening?
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 04:24:49 PM
It's the [spoiler]undercover judge [/spoiler] that we see in the story taking the long walk - he's reminiscing about his first case
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Bad City Blue on 16 December, 2021, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 04:24:49 PM
It's the [spoiler]undercover judge [/spoiler] that we see in the story taking the long walk - he's reminiscing about his first case

ah cheers, missed that
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 04:50:54 PM
It's a mixed bag for me this Christmas.
Dredd to me just seemed a bit of a gimmick, like something you'd get in a free comic book day Prog.
Dead world is what it is. Horrible, but a decent read.
Kingmaker may just be what's convinced me to keep reading the Prog after 45 years.
Dexter keeps going, and it's enjoyable.
The Order I find to be absolute bollox. Lovely art, but by God I find this tedious.
Tales from mega city was a good little vignette with a fine twist.
The Out continues to be the best thing in the Prog.
Proteus Vex was just talking. LOTS of talking. Where's the thrill power?

I've got to admit, the prog's been finally losing me lately, I long for the days of actual character development (in Dredd especially, tight boots to closing stadium gates), but it just seems to be plodding along. We have a dedicated 2000ad corner of the pub I run, and one of the customers brought a couple of progs over to me recently, including a regened one, and muttered "see this"? - pointing to Prog 346 - "this was subversive when we were kids. It was OURS. This is just nothing"... (pointing to the last regened and 2257). Pretty much what I find, too...

Anyway, I'm derailing the thread... the previews of things to come look promising, and so long as Tharg can keep things like Kingmaker and The Out in the Prog, he'll still have my three quid every week. Just about.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Old man in pub confused that kids in 2021 don't like the same things he liked in 1981! More at 11!
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 17 December, 2021, 08:51:33 AM
In the Input page Tharg mentioned [spoiler]another 4 regen progs but so far I have not seen any schedule for it - so I
think it will work in the same fashion we had the last 2 years[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Link Prime on 17 December, 2021, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 17 December, 2021, 08:51:33 AM
In the Input page Tharg mentioned [spoiler]another 4 regen progs but so far I have not seen any schedule for it - so I
think it will work in the same fashion we had the last 2 years[/spoiler]

Good news Earthlets - we'll be pushing the final episode of The Citadel back a week to make way for an adventure with wily young Joey Dredd taking on the evil corporate machinations of weaselly Beff Jezos.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 17 December, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Old man in pub confused that kids in 2021 don't like the same things he liked in 1981! More at 11!
"Old Man Yells At Tharg"
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 17 December, 2021, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Tomontherun94 on 17 December, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 December, 2021, 06:59:57 PM
Old man in pub confused that kids in 2021 don't like the same things he liked in 1981! More at 11!
"Old Man Yells At Tharg"

FORUM NEEDS A LIKE BUTTON.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 December, 2021, 07:20:10 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 16 December, 2021, 04:50:54 PM
This is just nothing"... (pointing to the last regened and 2257).

Scarlet Traces, if it had been in early 2000 AD, would have blown your brain out of your arse, as if Galactus had just stomped on your heid. The remaining greasy spot would unfortunately not have been able to continue reading comics.

Just, y'know, to take an example out of prog 2257.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: DrRocka on 18 December, 2021, 12:53:00 AM
Or, you know, instead of all laying into me for posting an opinion, give a touch of respect for the fact that I love the Prog enough to devote a corner of my pub to it, and continue to promote both current Prog and Meg to customers alongside classics.
Jesus. Whatever you think of the Prog, you can't deny that it's lost it's punk rock feel that it originally had.
Fucking hell, am I supposed to check whether I'm allowed to say something before I post in future?
Thanks for nothing. Nothing but bullying. Shocked at this kind of behaviour here. Certainly doesn't make me feel welcome round here.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Funt Solo on 18 December, 2021, 01:00:52 AM
Oh, come on! If you walk into a bar with a beautifully manicured beard, in a nice suit, with gold cufflinks wearing Billy Connolly's big banana boots - people are going to notice the boots.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: M.I.K. on 18 December, 2021, 06:14:10 AM
Talking of which, the aforementioned Regened issue featured a dog urinating on someone and then referring to him as a "jobby wheeker". Which seems a wee bit punk rock to me.

I took the response of a couple of folk here as a mildly irreverent, defense of the comic and certainly nothing remotely approaching "laying into someone" or "bullying".

I mean, getting called "old" can't really be much of an insult when the folk saying it are the exact same demographic.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2021, 12:02:31 PM
DrRocka: I think it's great that you're devoting a corner of your pub to 2000 AD. It's just this kind of "2000 AD is nothing now compared to when I was reading it in [insert year]" is this kind of relentless thing. If someone doesn't care for or click with 2000 AD anymore, fair enough. If they're against the Regened Progs, I get it. But if person X is berating the modern Prog with the same old tired lines, I'm not surprised people respond with what they think about that.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do apologise for my comment making you feel unwelcome; that certainly wasn't my intention. But things change. The comics landscape is nothing like it was in 1983. And, frankly, I'm happy about that. When I read old 2000 AD Progs now, there is a certain amount of subversive content absent from modern comics. But you know what else is absent? Diversity. Inclusivity. Much understanding of how the world feels beyond the eyes of a white middle-aged man.

Reading through the Dredd collection and the 2000 AD UC has been very interesting in many ways. I liked certain stories more than I was expecting to — and quite a few an awful lot less. The Prog back then was so often male, white, sexist and middle-aged. Even John Wagner slid into tropes far too often, including certain xenophobic pieces of writing (such as with his treatment of the Japanese). And even the subversion typically amounted to violence and some plucky (male) underdog getting one over on society.

I read my daughter's comics now and again and, yeah, they're quite safe. They're also a lot smarter than the comics I read as a kid. The humour stuff is still silly and yucky at times (I can't imagine people reading last week's Bunny vs Monkey, set in the poo dimension, would suggest that slice of The Phoenix was playing it safer than something that would have been in the Whoppee comics I read as a child.) Mega Robot Bros might look slick on the surface, but that deals with oppression and othering in a way that clicks with kids. As for 2000 AD, I guess it grew up. It's less brash and more thoughtful. But I'll take Brink over Invasion any day.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: scrotnig on 18 December, 2021, 02:12:19 PM
I love the Regened debates!

What worked for us as kids isn't necessarily what will work for kids today...and Regened is aimed at them!

I'm lucky I guess, insofar as I still enjoy the Regened progs very much, despite being oooolllldddd, but over and above that it's vital the progs attract a new audience to replace us old farts when we expire. That is just a fact of life, and I'd support Tharg trying to do that even I didn't like the material. (But I do!)
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 December, 2021, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2021, 12:02:31 PM
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do apologise for my comment making you feel unwelcome; that certainly wasn't my intention.

Seconded. Absolutely not my intention. You never quite know how these things are going to read from the other side of the screen. It all read like some fairly good-humoured ribbing from over here, but clearly not from your end, DrRocka, and I'll apologise unreservedly for that.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: DrRocka on 18 December, 2021, 02:32:13 PM
Thanks for the responses lads - and I'll apologies for throwing my toys out of the pram a bit there. Didn't realise how negative I was being. Currently isolating upstairs at the pub with a touch of covid, so my mind may well be a bit overly sensitive at present. Not where I wanna be at the busiest time of year with an industry in tatters and nothing but gloomy clouds on the horizon...
Food for thought there, Indigo - cheers!

Anyway, expertly  course correcting this thread back onto its track - WHERE ARE THE LEGO PICTURES IN THIS YEARS XMAS NERVE CENTRE? Have I managed to miss something somewhere along the line this year?
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Tomontherun94 on 18 December, 2021, 02:34:38 PM
Yeah sorry about that comment buddy, didn't realise it seemed so mean-spirited until I read it back. Just couldn't resist slipping in a lil Simpsons reference in there. Hope you feel better soon!
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2021, 02:36:07 PM
Get well, DrRocka, and here's hoping the government finally gets its shit together and recognises short, sharp lockdowns are the way forward and have less impact on businesses like yours.

As for the Lego, I recall our resident expert hadn't been doing much of it this year, alas. His kids appear to be entering their Lego dark age.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 18 December, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
I think the most important question that remains u answered here is- where is your pub?

This year's end-of-year prog was a bit hit and miss for me. I'm not relishing going into the new year with Kingmaker and The Order, but Dredd, Dexter, The Out and the majority of the other content was all top stuff. Really dont like pages being taken up with interviews- especially of only "nostalgic interest for long-term readers". That's surely the purview of The Meg? I don't want the prog and The Meg to be interchangeable, ever. Would have preferred some quizzes and maybe an overview of the last year or something. Also- moan moan moan- didn't like the cover at all.

Other than that, happy new year everyone!

SBT
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 18 December, 2021, 03:15:02 PM
Covers! That reminds me: that covers bookazine must be out now. Might have to risk a trip into town for that during the week...
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 18 December, 2021, 03:35:17 PM
Re the bookazine. People seem to think it's webshop only- and I've not seen it on the shelves of shops as yet. Do we have any confirmation as to how to get it?

SBT
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: McNulty on 18 December, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
This is why I love the 2000AD community. By and large they can agree and disagree with each other without it becoming toxic and when it ever dips into bad territory more often than not it can be resolved without anyone calling for anyone else to be cancelled or doubling down on the insults.

Merry Christmas fellow Squaxxs and Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 December, 2021, 10:10:49 PM
Quote from: McNulty on 18 December, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
This is why I love the 2000AD community. By and large they can agree and disagree with each other without it becoming toxic and when it ever dips into bad territory more often than not it can be resolved without anyone calling for anyone else to be cancelled or doubling down on the insults.

BLOCKED. ;-)
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Michael Knight on 19 December, 2021, 10:55:37 PM
Is anyone else still waiting for their copy? Got the Meg, but no 2000AD Christmas special. Hoping tomoz as I cant wait to read it. That cover is awesome!
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas with lots of regenerative thrill power after another crazy years journey around the sun. Stay safe folks!
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Barrington Boots on 20 December, 2021, 10:07:59 AM
Mine also hasn't arrived - I've just pinged the subs help email as in my experience if it's over a week late then I won't see it.
Hope you get yours soon Mr. Knight!
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: M.I.K. on 20 December, 2021, 10:49:03 AM
I got this issue but I'm still waiting on 2260. Sent Rebellion a message last week but haven't heard back yet.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Barrington Boots on 20 December, 2021, 11:00:39 AM
They do seem a bit slow at the moment, I assume the pandemic has really not helped things.
My copy of 2250 never arrived and by the time subs help were back in touch I'd ended up buying myself one in WH Smiths instead. They're always super helpful though so no complaints. Eager to read this issue though.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 December, 2021, 11:28:35 AM
It's a mixed bag for me this Christmas.

Dredd totally totally loved it! Nice bit of subversion on the first page , Dredd through the ages and the three Dredds, and he takes his helmet off! LOL at the Double Whammy persiflage.

Dead world is dead to me

Kingmaker Just couldn't be arsed with more sub hobbit stuff

Dexter make it stop..

The Order skippty skip.

Tales from mega city great wee story tied up nicely.

The Out feels like style over content.

Proteus Vex enjoyable and a delight to the eye.

meantime the Megazine is hitting it out the park IMHO.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Jacqusie on 20 December, 2021, 02:06:59 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 18 December, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
Also- moan moan moan- didn't like the cover at all.



It confused me, I was trying to figure out all the 2000AD characters on it... please tell me this years Christmas cover for the prog has 2000AD folk on it?
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 December, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
I counted one
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Art on 20 December, 2021, 03:09:34 PM
I get a nice "Kevin O'Neil does a bunch of random robots and monsters" vibe from the cover.

(if this truly bothers folks I'm sure Pye and me can retroactively claim them all as spaceport background characters for Intestinauts.)
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: McNulty on 21 December, 2021, 07:00:09 PM
I think 2000AD has a case for suing Sony and Marvel if the latest Spiderman movie is anything to go by...
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: broodblik on 22 December, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
As soon as you read the Dredd strip watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nI7wsX6Xzc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nI7wsX6Xzc)
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Barrington Boots on 22 December, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
That is well worth a watch!

No Prog delivery here but my wife, either full of sympathy for my plight or maybe just sick of my dejected face in the morning, bought me one at the shops yesterday.

I must admit I thought Dredd would be rubbish but it's an excellent lighthearted little one-off. That homage panel is a lovely bit of work.
Deadworld One of those little snaphot Deadworld shorts that work so well. Looks great, genuinely horrible, and good to get back to Jess / Fairfax as I felt we'd wandered off that a bit.
Kingmaker I was surprised how variable the response was that this was returning this was as it's one of my favourite things in the Prog for ages. A little dissapointed to see the Lich King / Ablard plot resolved so quick but this is great reintroduction and resetting of the status quo. The art here is fantastic as ever and I have no clue where the story is going next.
Dexter - I still think Tazio Bettin is putting in some great art here but this feels like one of those character developments that makes the story worse.
The Order I've tended to think people who say The Order is confusing aren't paying enough attention, but in this episode they listed a bunch of dead characters and I couldn't remember who half of them were despite a recent reread which isn't a good sign. The tale is totally nuts and JMB in the Prog is always a treat: whilst I'm still a big fan of this story I do hope it's moving towards a conclusion.
Tales of Mega-City One A cool little story, very well done.
The Out A more contemplative episode after last week's cliffhanger, seeding further mysteries and half answering questions. The Out constantly surprises me and that's a good thing. I didn't realise this was continuing into the new year.
Proteus Vex Another one I'm pleased to see back. Massive exposition episode this week but keen to see where this goes next.

Overall a great Christmas prog - my only moan, like SBT below, is the inclusion of the text article: it's interesting but feels like something for the Meg and I don't really see why it was included here. Something like a Christmas quiz over the same number of pages would have been a far better use of the space.

Also I really like the cover.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 December, 2021, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: Barrington Boots on 22 December, 2021, 12:09:17 PMDexter - I still think Tazio Bettin is putting in some great art here but this feels like one of those character developments that makes the story worse.
It's very much in Trope City territory. It also comes pretty much out of nowhere, like in a movie where [spoiler]the male and female leads suddenly fall in love/start kissing/start fucking because, well, surely that's the only thing men and women can do[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: norton canes on 22 December, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
Okay, I'm finally though my 100-page mega-special - been eking it out so as to prolong the festive thrills

First of all, the most florix of grabundaes to TMO and all his droids for maintaining the thrill-flow throughout another difficult year. It's truly been a pleasure reading everything from the biggest mega-epic to the lowliest Future Shock - and this latest Xmas pulse-pounder keeps the thrill-bar raised high.

Let's lead with the Kek-W double-whammy (grud knows). Always fantastic to see The Order back in the line-up and the idea of a miniature Fantastic Voyage looks like it'll provide plenty more entertaining weirdness. If I had to temper my appreciation, I'd say that for a story with so many characters, some of them do lack a bit of distinct personality; and the archaic dialogue, though there for a purpose of course, sometimes comes across a bit stilted. Despite that, I'm looking forward to seeing where this run takes us. Deadworld continues to impress with its one-shot formula and brings some welcome grisly fun.

It's also great to see Kingmaker back with a bang, the story continuing to play brilliantly to the Gallagher droid's artistic genius. Proteus Vex goes all-in for exposition with a backdrop of gratuitous bloodshed, the perfect combination. It'll be intereseting to see what kind of protagonist Vex makes without Midnight Indicating Shame to play off. Top marks for the bottle ingestion panel!

You know the quality is going to be ramped up whenever the Abnett droid is involved and here, both his efforts toally hit the mark. Yes, Dexter in its current iteration is mining a wealth of dramatic cliches but I'm happy with that TBH, especially when the characters display the author's gift for naturalistic and engaging dialogue. Super cheeky to make this a Christmas instalment! And no matter what time of the year or which prog it's in The Out just sails on through. Do we even know how many episodes are in this chapter? I'm half expecting a special all-ages appropriate instalment to appear in the next Regened prog.

Last but by absolutely no means whatsoever least, two stories from the world of Dredd. 'Trinity' serves up a pitch-perfect blend of humour and gravitas, mixing a plethora of pot-shots at the movie versions with a sombre relfection on the Judges' duty to the people. Combine that with incredible work from the Elson droid and it's all win. Love the smattering of gratuitous dismemberments, and of course that 'retro Dredds' panel is sublime (just a shame the Ezquerra Dredd gets half-covered!).

But if I had to give out a TOP THRILL award to something in this prog (and I am going to give out a TOP THRILL award to something in this prog... right now) it would go to 'Christmas Comes To Devil's Island', without a doubt. It's just a lovely mixture of silly humour, callbacks from progs past and a terrifically wistful denouement, accentuated by the sudden addition of colour. Double oil rations for the Stock, Newell and Parkhouse droids please, TMO.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 December, 2021, 08:36:26 AM
A good sign on many fronts is the fact that I didn't manage to read all of the X-mas Prog yesterday (X-mas day) and have finished it off this morning as the rest of the family slumbers (or plays Minecraft beside me). And what a chuffin' belter it is.

If these bumper Progs are primarily gateways to the new year in thrillpower we're in for a smashing start to 2022.

Dredd - Trinity is just what this sort of Prog needs. A cute treat that feels like an indulgence. What better on X-mas day! Niemand and Elson do a fantastic fun job of playing with the toys, poking fun where needed and when putting it all away neatly so we don't have to worry about any mess. Perfect end of year special fun.

Then in true 2000ad style from such glorious fluff you slam straight into The Fall of Deadworld with all its dark grit and oozing wounds. Fantastic flip in style and this one does darkly push things forward and can't wait for the main series to return to see where this goes.

Nice text piece with Doug church

Kingmaker very happy to have this back... but ... err ... they just did that... right... I mean that's dead... right.... certainly seemed to underline the - and there's no coming back from that (I suspect there might be some magic schnanigens afoot) ... fantastic dramatic opener to the new series.

Letters page that allows the Regene ding dong to rumble on. Hidden in there the good news that we will be getting more Pandora Perfect - though in the Regenes, Enemy Earth is getting a series, chuffed with that it was great, Chopper will be back, happy with that, alas no confirmation of more Mayflies which I was hoping for. A third series of The Out already planned - lovely . So a lot of good news packed in one letters column.

Oh and more evidence that for all the neighsaying those with the inside track seem clear that the Regenes are working, still creating a sales bump and a quick poke in the eye for us Internet types...

Dexter - Tazio Bettin is getting better and better as this goes on and despite my misgivings I'm enjoying Bulletopia more and more. Another good episode.

The Order another one I'm very happy to have back. Nice reintroduction to and the current awash in the timestream stuff is certianly going to prove interesting. Happy to have this one back.

Tales from Mega-City One really great little one off. Enjoyed this immensely.

The Out well its just brilliant isn't it. The building of the mystery around Cyd is just fantastic - is she pregnant? What is the contamination? If she is pregnant is that the contamination, who are the Tankinar (I'm still convinced they are humans or trying to wipe out humans or... actually I don't have a solid theory...) is the 'Marabunda' the same contamination? This epsiode wonderfully recaps all those building mysteries while being an utterly fantastic read in itself. Oh and then gives us an ending that blows all that stuff to the back of our (and Cyd's) minds and we continue ever on.

Proteus Vex - speaking of giving a fantastic recap while driving us forward and being a compelling read by itself - that's exactly what we get here. Brilliant.

And so we start 2022 with a line-up of Proteus Vex, The Order, Kingmaker, The Out backing up Dredd - I'm very happy with that and this is a stella end of year / start of year Prog. Magnificent.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Tjm86 on 26 December, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 December, 2021, 08:36:26 AM

Oh and more evidence that for all the naysaying those with the inside track seem clear that the Regenes are working, still creating a sales bump and a quick poke in the eye for us Internet types...


To be fair the view in these parts tends to be pretty positive.  Whilst the RP's are not everyone's cup of tea each issue is being quite fairly critiqued.  The strengths are beginning to outweigh the weaknesses with the increased frequency.

Glad to hear that Enemy Earth is going to get another stab.  Hopefully Mayflies will resurface in time.  Then again, could it be down to Coleby doing more Jaegir?  TBH I'd rather wait until he's able to dash it off again (not that his work looks that way, just that he can fit it in!)

Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 December, 2021, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 26 December, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 December, 2021, 08:36:26 AM

Oh and more evidence that for all the naysaying those with the inside track seem clear that the Regenes are working, still creating a sales bump and a quick poke in the eye for us Internet types...


To be fair the view in these parts tends to be pretty positive.  Whilst the RP's are not everyone's cup of tea each issue is being quite fairly critiqued.  The strengths are beginning to outweigh the weaknesses with the increased frequency.


Yeah that's a fair accessment I'm not convinced that was aimed at us, but I didn't want to start a Facebook Page X is a bit rubbish snark so I left it none specific.
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Timothy on 27 December, 2021, 09:08:11 AM
[spoiler]is Cyd contaminated by the Tankinar? Is she their latest host?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Timothy on 27 December, 2021, 10:05:08 AM
[spoiler]possibly from when they killed her the first time and she had to be rebuilt[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2262 – The Spirit of Xmas Future
Post by: Sean SD on 03 January, 2022, 09:35:13 AM
Finally got around to finishing this one!!

Not a fan of The Order , (has never really clicked with me) but everything else was fine

My Top 3 for Prog 2262

1st - Proteus Vex - well done by Carroll, Lynch, Boswell, and Boland. Liked how the action was being described on the Citheronian Homeworld and shown in the panels with Proteus Vex doing his thing. I like the design of the Imperium spacecraft on page 1 too

2nd -Dexter - liked it . Well done and its a Christmas tale too lol

3rd - Kingmaker - like Proteus Vex, good to have this one back