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#11
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by norton canes - Today at 11:07:55 AMI can see them maybe killing Dredd off for the 50th (it would certainly be a suitable epic selling point) and replacing him with a(nother) clone, who to all intents and purposes would continue to be Dredd (but would have to learn the ropes all over again).
Very much so, great spot. And do we actually know where the protagonist in Duel is going? It's enough for the movie that he's just 'on a journey' but I think 'R&TWT&C' needed a little more context, especially given the prologue. Did it benefit from not having a simple panel at the start saying something like 'En route to a routine check on MC1's northern border facilities, Dredd's flight hits trouble..'? I love a dislocated narrative as much as the next cit but if that's what Rend and Tear... (sorry, I'm done with the acronym) was aiming for then the prologue at the Academy was a bit incongruous. Perhaps the Williams droid was asked to add that because starting the story proper in a 'jumping on' prog would have presented new readers with a leap to far? It also struck me that perhaps Tharg managed to secure the services of R. M. Guéra at short notice, and Rob Williams had to cook up a story post-haste?
And how does Dredd now get back home? All will become clear, I'm sure.
Oh and everything else this week was brilliant.
Quote from: nxylas on 08 May, 2024, 05:17:48 PMThe Dredd story reminded me a little of the Steven Spielberg movie Duel - a thrilling chase with, as I recall (it's a long time since I've seen it), a somewhat anticlimactic ending
Very much so, great spot. And do we actually know where the protagonist in Duel is going? It's enough for the movie that he's just 'on a journey' but I think 'R&TWT&C' needed a little more context, especially given the prologue. Did it benefit from not having a simple panel at the start saying something like 'En route to a routine check on MC1's northern border facilities, Dredd's flight hits trouble..'? I love a dislocated narrative as much as the next cit but if that's what Rend and Tear... (sorry, I'm done with the acronym) was aiming for then the prologue at the Academy was a bit incongruous. Perhaps the Williams droid was asked to add that because starting the story proper in a 'jumping on' prog would have presented new readers with a leap to far? It also struck me that perhaps Tharg managed to secure the services of R. M. Guéra at short notice, and Rob Williams had to cook up a story post-haste?
And how does Dredd now get back home? All will become clear, I'm sure.
Oh and everything else this week was brilliant.
#12
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by nxylas - Today at 10:29:08 AMQuote from: IndigoPrime on Today at 08:55:16 AMUnless 2000 AD itself is ending (and the Meg too), there's no way in hell the comic kills off its key IP.They can always reboot. They killed off Superman, and James Bond. Dredd is the outlier in not having had a continuity reset in nearly 50 years.
#13
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Barrington Boots - Today at 10:03:06 AMQuote from: Richard on 08 May, 2024, 09:44:42 PMI don't want to read another storyline about Dredd having a difficult relationship with another chief judge, we had that already with McGruder and Hershey.
Definitely this.
Dredd's plot armour is, imo, indisputable. That's fine - you could say the same about Batman. I think the issue is partly that 2000ad has tried to be more 'consequences-matter' in its storytelling instead of endlessly recycling Mean Machine and so on (see Judge Death for an example where this does happen, and not for the better). But its very difficult to do that when you have a character like Dredd who really encapsulates the comic to the wider world.
The other half of the issue I suspect is that the bulk of us here on the forum are older readers, so very invested, and we've kind of seen it all before - so we're anxious for tales that do shift the status quo, but realistically that won't happen to any major degree: chief judges may change, supporting characters will die, but things won't really move along. Chaos Day was the best chance for that. It's the same reason Dredd aged up to a certain point and then stopped.
It must be really difficult, as a writer, to balance stuff like this.
#14
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by IndigoPrime - Today at 09:55:51 AMI mean, as an Elseworlds in the Meg, maybe. But if Dredd is killed off in 2000 AD, why would you continue the strip? And at that point, you've lost the anchor for your comic. That doesn't tend to benefit anthology comics, on the whole. (Even The Phoenix suffers from this – my kid is not thrilled when there's no Bunny vs Monkey, even though that comic doesn't have a defined 'main' strip.)
So a what-if could work. But even then, what's it going to tell us? That MC1 would be screwed without Dredd, even though he's ultimately largely responsible for the city being in bits? You couldn't really get away with 'oh, and things are better now', or that erodes the entire history of a 45+ year strip. Beyond the shock and a bit of news, I just can't see the value in this. And 2000 AD – on the whole – has been against resurrections*, and so would be unlikely to do a Marvel/DC and a month later go 'Dredd got better now'.
* And, yes, I know Dredd got shot through the head, etc. But it's not like the comic has properly killed Dredd off entirely and then later on said 'he's fine'. The few times the comic has done that with major or even supporting characters, it's not exactly gone down well.
So a what-if could work. But even then, what's it going to tell us? That MC1 would be screwed without Dredd, even though he's ultimately largely responsible for the city being in bits? You couldn't really get away with 'oh, and things are better now', or that erodes the entire history of a 45+ year strip. Beyond the shock and a bit of news, I just can't see the value in this. And 2000 AD – on the whole – has been against resurrections*, and so would be unlikely to do a Marvel/DC and a month later go 'Dredd got better now'.
* And, yes, I know Dredd got shot through the head, etc. But it's not like the comic has properly killed Dredd off entirely and then later on said 'he's fine'. The few times the comic has done that with major or even supporting characters, it's not exactly gone down well.
#15
Off Topic / Re: Life is riddled with a pro...
Last post by Barrington Boots - Today at 09:43:17 AMLuckily I have no quality clobber! Only piles of old Bolt Thrower and Entombed tshirts. Oh no wait, those are quality.
My initial glue trap seems to have winnowed out all the stupid months, as I replaced it with a fresh one and the moth survivors are carefully avoiding it.
Funny you should mention this - my wife suggested oil of cloves when this first flared up and she of course had some in the house. I didn't know how much oil of cloves to put on, but I was feeling pretty sore so I rubbed quite a decent amount into my gum. Turned out not only does it taste vile, but in large amounts can cause ulcers like you've never seen. My gum split like overripe fruit and I had a new level of pain to worry about for a few days.
My initial glue trap seems to have winnowed out all the stupid months, as I replaced it with a fresh one and the moth survivors are carefully avoiding it.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 08 May, 2024, 05:12:08 PMI always have a bottle of oil-of-cloves on hand whenever I feel a twinge coming on.
Funny you should mention this - my wife suggested oil of cloves when this first flared up and she of course had some in the house. I didn't know how much oil of cloves to put on, but I was feeling pretty sore so I rubbed quite a decent amount into my gum. Turned out not only does it taste vile, but in large amounts can cause ulcers like you've never seen. My gum split like overripe fruit and I had a new level of pain to worry about for a few days.
#16
What a loss. This one's hit me really hard. Dude was an absolute legend and had a hand in so much of the music I love. Today will be soundtracked by Big Black. RIP Steve.
#17
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by broodblik - Today at 08:58:33 AMQuote from: IndigoPrime on Today at 08:55:16 AMUnless 2000 AD itself is ending (and the Meg too), there's no way in hell the comic kills off its key IP.
But that is why you have the meg, why not create an alternative path story where Dredd does get killed off
#18
General / Re: Mega City Book Club - a ne...
Last post by Eamonn Clarke - Today at 08:58:18 AM
Chatting with organiser Su Haddrell about ten years of the Lawless convention.
If you can get to Bristol on either the 25th or 26th May then it's really worth it.
Check out the guest list.
https://lawlesscomiccon.co.uk/guest-list-2/
https://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2024/05/261-ten-years-of-lawless.html
and
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/261-ten-years-of-lawless/id1116473423?i=1000654868068
#19
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by IndigoPrime - Today at 08:55:16 AMUnless 2000 AD itself is ending (and the Meg too), there's no way in hell the comic kills off its key IP.
#20
Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Trooper McFad - Today at 08:43:24 AMOn the Dredd story and I'm just spit balling here:
Dredd in a cold inhospitable environment (see MC1)
The thing that owns this environment is the biggest baddest beast/bear (see Dredd)
Once the Bear has your scent there's no getting away (see Dredd)
Someone he has respect for dies- or is she!(see Hershey or anyone from Dredds past)
Finally Dredd face's down the bear/Dredd with the final speech bubbles "Death's coming Arcto's/Dredd" and "it won't be long now"!!!!
Now it is just spit balling but if this is a hint at a larger arc in the future to say end tooth's 50th and the final demise of Dredd and usher in a new era that would be something.
Or do I have too much time on my hands and talking utter pish 😂😂😂
Dredd in a cold inhospitable environment (see MC1)
The thing that owns this environment is the biggest baddest beast/bear (see Dredd)
Once the Bear has your scent there's no getting away (see Dredd)
Someone he has respect for dies- or is she!(see Hershey or anyone from Dredds past)
Finally Dredd face's down the bear/Dredd with the final speech bubbles "Death's coming Arcto's/Dredd" and "it won't be long now"!!!!
Now it is just spit balling but if this is a hint at a larger arc in the future to say end tooth's 50th and the final demise of Dredd and usher in a new era that would be something.
Or do I have too much time on my hands and talking utter pish 😂😂😂