Thought it would be interesting to have a thread devoted to Dredd's potential box office earnings. We can try and forecast potential takings and discuss the results when they're in.
So what are the pros and cons?
Pros:
Very positive reviews and buzz.
Not a long running time, so a chance for more showings per cinema.
Recognisable character.
A small-ish budget to recoup.
Cons:
Limitations of the 18 (or equivalent) rating.
Poor reception to the first film.
Character not well known in the US, away from Stallone's effort.
What equivalents do we have to compare it to? A mid-range budget sci-fi or comic book action film with positive buzz and an 18 rating.... others I can think of had poor reviews, such as The Punisher movies. Constantine was R-rated and it flopped, though it did take $75 million in the States, but on a budget of $100 mil. It also featured the popular Keanu Reeves.
Very interested to hear your thoughts on this and see how things pan out!
The R rating may work in its favour as it stands apart from the PG-13 Batman/Spiderman/Avengers etc.
Seems to make more sense to make it hard R and hope the buzz from that attracts that crowd.
The shorter running time obviously helps for more showings - I don't know how many people take running time into consideration, it almost put me off TDKR.
District 9 seems like a good comparison - grubby location, gore, scifi setting.
I've no idea what box office will do, I'm guessing it will do OK, but may be more a cult thing.
Hard to know. The movie's posters are, quite literally, everywhere here in Los Angeles. My old street had three giant billboards a block apart. Very aggressive advertising which leads me to believe Lionsgate have a good feeling about how this is going to do. I'm feeling good. I'm gonna say it's going to do its $50 mil. I don't think it's gonna make much more than that and it may be a crawl to the finish but I'm more than happy to be proven wrong...
$50m in the US was my idea too and that would recoup the budget with the rest of the world and the DVDs etc. all gravy.
The marketing has been great - I've seen at least six massive billboards on my running routes and I don't go far! The ads on TV pop up a lot too - saw one during a Dave reapeat of Armstrong & Miller the other night. I thought 'Ooh I'll need to go and see that'.
No-one will give a shit about the Stallone film in relation to this one - there was only something like 8 years between Batman and Robin and the Batman Begins reboot, and that was a significantly higher-profile failure* to come back from with what looked like - to all observers at the time - the exact same treatment as before, and as much as Judge Dredd is acknowledged as a terrible film in popular culture, nowhere near as much as Batman and Robin is. Also a mere ten years between Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man - in cinema terms, 17 years ago is... well, it's literally a different century.
I think the market for mid-budget action flicks has been severely underestimated in recent years and Dredd will do just fine as long as they don't do something crazy like spunk away too many millions on marketing.
* "Failure" in this case being some previous definition of the term with which I am unfamiliar, as Batman And Robin made a quarter of a billion dollars.
Buzz and word-of-mouth are key in these situations.
What about Kick-Ass as a comparison? It seemed to be liked well enough but it didn't do so great ($48 million US gross). But with a budget of only $30 million, it surely made its money back worldwide.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=kickass.htm
I've said it before, but I think the most relevant case study here is Kick-Ass.
An indie genre movie, distributed by a mini major (Lionsgate) in the US. Based on a niche comic book. Budget of around $45m. No A listers. Strongly reviewed, and very positive comic con buzz. Violent and R rated.
Kick-Ass made just under $100m worldwide, with an equal split between US and international take, with healthy DVD and Blu Ray sales. It was generally seen as a disappointment financially (and there were accusations that Lionsgate tweaked the figures to hide just how much it underperformed theatrically) but crucially it still somehow got a sequel greenlighted (though tellingly only two years after release).
There are variables of course. The perceived wisdom is that Kick-Ass was marketed poorly - apparently many people thought it was a kid's film. Dredd is 3D. Dredd is likely to perform stronger internationally because of brand recognition, but perhaps not quite as well in the US.
A $50m US take doesn't seem a huge amount, relatively speaking, but it's worth noting that Total Recall - a massive tent pole movie, and a PG13/12A rated sci-fi actioner with presumably wider recognition and broad appeal, just fizzled out with a weak $60m take in the US.
My hand on heart estimate for Dredd is $80-100m worldwide total, with solid DVD sales. Whether that's enough to build a franchise is up to the number-crunchers.
Prof - the key difference is that the majority of Americans think Dredd IS the Stallone film - they're not even aware that it's based on a long-running comic series. As far as they're concerned, Dredd is a remake, not a reboot.
I've been thinking though - where did this perception that higher certificate = lower box office come from? I mean, Batman (1989), one of the biggest blockbusters ever (far bigger than The Dark Knight Rises), was a 15, right? Total Recall, Die Hard, Predator, The Terminator, Robocop - all hard Rs/NC-17s/18s... And surely among the most profitable films of all time? There didn't used to be this pressure to cater to the widest possible demographic.
What caused this sweeping change? Are audiences getting younger? Are parents and cinemas getting stricter on what minors can watch? Were there a series of high-profile R-rated flops some time in the late 20th century?
I'm confused.
Intersting stuff, I know buggers all about cinema figures. It will be interesting how it does in the UK and Ireland and if that has any effect on international figures.
David
That's just the thing isn't it? I don't think anyone really knows what will be a hit, it's all just people taking punts on things, and then bluffing after the fact.
I remember that Titanic, Avatar and Inception were all seen as enormous risks and destined to fail right up until release, whereas many other films seen as sure things end up failing dismally.
Well predicting things is a sure-fire way to look silly down-the-line-and-all but:
I expect much better box-office performance than either Kick-Ass or District 9:
Judge Dredd (95) has a reputation for being truly awful, but unlike the other two films, it at least has a reputation and
I believe this will help: 'New Judge Dredd film is actually very good' is so unexpected a statement that it's a headline-grabber...
Put yourself in the point of view of someone,-
who knows nothing about it but the Stallone film,
Who isn't familiar with the lead actor,
and then hears the budget is only 45mil,
and then hears something happened with the director being fired or something...
You'd feel confident (perhaps even vocal) in dismissing it as a turkey before the first screening, would you not?:
Your perception of the trailers and poster would be "they're trying to make it look good,- but I bet it isn't" Your reaction to overwhelming positive reviews would then be "Naaah!-- Judge Dredd? Good? It CANT be! ... this I gotta see for myself!"
After that, it's just a chain reaction created by you: going to see the film, being impressed, telling your peers (who also go: Naaah!-- Judge Dredd? Good? It CANT be! ... this I gotta see for myself!") and off it rockets.
So what I'm getting at is, that with the promotion of 'Kick Ass' , 'District 9' and the tragically underperforming 'Scott Pilgrim', the greater part of the potential audience had to be wooed from a position of complete ambivilance.
Judge Dredd, on the other hand, people have heard of... While it's true that DREDD's comic presence is non-existent in the U.S. -the film is a guilty nostalgic pleasure to many people, ( who are adults now but saw it as kids), and they are just primed and ready to be blown away by this bad-ass balls-to-the-walls version.
It's near-rivals at the box-office are Total Recall and Expendables2, which, co-incidentally, are both films that promise something of the eighties Macho-movie days but fall short of delivering it, unlike Dredd which manages to be today in 2012, exactly what RoboCop was in 1987: Brutish, nasty, low-budget original and brilliant.
Sorry for waffling on, but while I dont expect the critical reception at Rotten Toms to stay at 100% forever I am super-confident about commercial success, I'd bet my house on it.
'R' ratings do affect films, of course, but Gladiator made a buck and I reckon Dredd will too and that's my honest feeling about it.
I wish I shared your confidence, Dan, but I don't think there's any question of Dredd topping District 9, which took well over $200m worldwide. I'd be absolutely over the moon if it did, of course (and it deserves to), but it doesn't seem likely.
Dredd's a terrific film, but its a bit more niche in appeal and it doesn't have that wow factor that D9 had, that really draws an big audience.
It really, really deserves to do better than the latest Underworld/Resident Evil drivel, though. If it doesn't then there is no movie-god.
Just checked, and the latest Resident Evil took almost $300m. Latest Underworld $170m.
Thats pretty staggering.
Well as William Goldman said of the movie biz: "nobody knows anything"... I just really believe Dredd can do it.
I am with darnmarr, pretty confident it's gonna be a hit.
I think the main reason for this is that it will surprise a lot of people. There are a lot of negative people who either hate reboots, or hated the last Judge Dredd, or both. So when they see it expecting it to be shit, they will be even more blown away then say if a film got really hyped up before being released. And then they tell their friends.
Also the fact that it's so violent and gritty I think will make it stand out from other films being released this year, all the other comic book movies have been pretty tame, and also quite bland.
This is a film with cahonies!
Quote from: radiator on 02 September, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Prof - the key difference is that the majority of Americans think Dredd IS the Stallone film - they're not even aware that it's based on a long-running comic series. As far as they're concerned, Dredd is a remake, not a reboot.
I'd argue this, as it would need to be a very narrow band of people who were aware of the Stallone Dredd without being aware of the character's origins given both the wording of blurb for the film even now, and the fact it opens with a montage of two decades' worth of Dredd comics being waved at the viewer. To be unaware it was a comic book adaptation, you'd have to have never read a single piece of promotional blurb, never seen the opening minutes of the film, read listing information on your cable guide, or ever looked at the internet - that's a pretty small group. Arguably you would also have had to have been blind, deaf, and an idiot to not cotton on that the screaming levels of camp couldn't have come from a regular Hollywood action film.
I think because of the time gap between Judge Dredd and Dredd 3D, most cinemagoers will view the situation as the equivalent of Batman 1966 vs Dark Knight, and the marketing blurb that assures you it's nothing like the old version seems to back that notion up. It's saying "that old one was a product of its day, but
this is how we do things now."
Most people arent going to remember that a cheesy 17 year old Stallone flicks starts with a montage of comic panels, they're just going to remember that its cheesy.
And not to be snobby about it, but you're giving the average punter too much credit. The majority of the potential audience for a film don't research or read reviews, they just turn up at the cinema and pick a film at random.
I mean bloody hell, my mates are all supposedly film nerds, and I've had to hammer it into their heads about the pedigree of this movie - none of them were aware of Garland or Dod Mantle's involvement for example. They were just completely pre-judging it based on one or two leaked photos. Even now, some of them have declined my invitation to go see it, as they think it looks cheesy, and these are people who happily lined up to see The Raid and Prometheus.
The kind of people likely to pick a film at random are unlikely to pick Dredd when there's an Adam Sandler film out. See, I don't think you give punters enough credit - at a certain point, they realise they can hear each other better when they're talking all the way through a talky film rather than action movies.
Quote from: radiator on 02 September, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
I've been thinking though - where did this perception that higher certificate = lower box office come from? I mean, Batman (1989), one of the biggest blockbusters ever (far bigger than The Dark Knight Rises), was a 15, right?
Batman was the first 12 rated movie.
Quote from: James Stacey on 03 September, 2012, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: radiator on 02 September, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
I've been thinking though - where did this perception that higher certificate = lower box office come from? I mean, Batman (1989), one of the biggest blockbusters ever (far bigger than The Dark Knight Rises), was a 15, right?
Batman was the first 12 rated movie.
"The film was originally rated 12 by the BBFC for moderate violence and horror but later changed the rating to 15."
It was definitely 12 throughout its cinema run. I think they changed it to 15 for home video rather than institute a 12 rating for video too. That came later.
Yep Remember seeing it at the age of 12 in the cinema - the 12 rating didn't exist on video at the time.
Quote from: James Stacey on 03 September, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
It was definitely 12 throughout its cinema run. I think they changed it to 15 for home video rather than institute a 12 rating for video too. That came later.
Yeah, you're right.I might be confusing it with the sequel?
...which was cut to received a 12...doh!
Quote from: James Stacey on 03 September, 2012, 01:34:00 PM
Batman was the first 12 rated movie.
Yep. The BBFC originally wanted it to be a 15, feeling it was too dark in tone and too violent for a PG, and Warner just about shat a brick over their (very, very expensive) summer blockbuster being crippled with 15 cert, so the BBFC basically invented the rating to placate Warner.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 September, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 03 September, 2012, 01:34:00 PM
Batman was the first 12 rated movie.
Yep. The BBFC originally wanted it to be a 15, feeling it was too dark in tone and too violent for a PG, and Warner just about shat a brick over their (very, very expensive) summer blockbuster being crippled with 15 cert, so the BBFC basically invented the rating to placate Warner.
Cheers
Jim
And I believe the 12-A rating was created for Spider-man.
I thought it was Bourne that's 12A was for?
Quote from: radiator on 03 September, 2012, 12:31:58 AM
Just checked, and the latest Resident Evil took almost $300m. Latest Underworld $170m.
Thats pretty staggering.
These figures are unbelievable. Saw Underworld on DVD just for a look, totally and utterly forgetable film- if there is any justice Dredd will do better.
Wikipedia states 12A was brought in for Bourne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_film_certificates#2002.E2.80.932009
Here's what I reckon.. First week it'll do sorta okay. Then word of mouth will make weeks 2-3 a lot busier, and so on and so forth. It'll definitely break even quickly, and I'm pretty sure it'll bring in a tidy profit. Not sure if it'll do as well in the States as it'll do in Brit-cit, but that's because of the relatively unknown source. That said, several American mates of mine are eagerly anticipating the movie.. I still reckon, however, that it'll make its biggest bucks in DVD/Bluray sales.. Especially 'cos nobody checks ID's at HMV..
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 03 September, 2012, 02:28:19 PM
Wikipedia states 12A was brought in for Bourne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_film_certificates#2002.E2.80.932009
I stand corrected!
But then almost directly under that it says a local council was the first to actually use the 12A rating for Spiderman, just before Bourne actually released. So everyone's right. :D
Yeah, I seem to remember the 12A was down to one particular council pressuring them because they were receiving so many complaints that parents couldn't take young kids to Spiderman.
In the long run it's probably caused more complaints than it saved, Woman In Black was the most complained about movie of last year, with the main complaint being it's too scary for under 12s. How parents can walk into a movie they've been clearly told isn't suitable for under 12s and then feel entitled to complain about it being unsuitable for under 12s is beyond me. That certificate is one of the worst things to happen to cinema in my opinion.
You all know what to do? Spread the drokking word! :P
Quote from: Michaelvk on 03 September, 2012, 02:31:51 PMHere's what I reckon.. First week it'll do sorta okay. Then word of mouth will make weeks 2-3 a lot busier, and so on and so forth.
Does that ever happen in the US? Won't it just be pulled from cinemas if it's not doing well?
QuoteNot sure if it'll do as well in the States as it'll do in Brit-cit, but that's because of the relatively unknown source.
On a relative basis, perhaps, but in a literal sense, I sincerely hope it takes a ton more cash in the USA than the UK, given that even hits here don't tend to rake in enough cash to greenlight a sequel to anything much.
Generally, I think Dredd will rely quite heavily on good reviews
and publications not bottling it (I'm looking at you, Total Film and Empire, with your inexplicably middling reviews after loads of positive press, which have already put off a few Brits I know), and a large dollop of luck. I'm going to say it'll box $40–$60m worldwide, but subsequently have very strong rental/shiny disc sales. I'd love to see it hit $100+m worldwide though.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 September, 2012, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 03 September, 2012, 02:31:51 PMHere's what I reckon.. First week it'll do sorta okay. Then word of mouth will make weeks 2-3 a lot busier, and so on and so forth.
Does that ever happen in the US? Won't it just be pulled from cinemas if it's not doing well?
QuoteNot sure if it'll do as well in the States as it'll do in Brit-cit, but that's because of the relatively unknown source.
On a relative basis, perhaps, but in a literal sense, I sincerely hope it takes a ton more cash in the USA than the UK, given that even hits here don't tend to rake in enough cash to greenlight a sequel to anything much.
Generally, I think Dredd will rely quite heavily on good reviewsand publications not bottling it (I'm looking at you, Total Film and Empire, with your inexplicably middling reviews after loads of positive press, which have already put off a few Brits I know), and a large dollop of luck. I'm going to say it'll box $40–$60m worldwide, but subsequently have very strong rental/shiny disc sales. I'd love to see it hit $100+m worldwide though.
Indigo, it's not unheard of. Titanic didn't exactly explode at the BO on its first weekend but then it went gangbusters once people started telling other people how much they enjoyed it. I would say it's a little unlikely that'll be happening with DREDD but good word of mouth means it'll get at least strong follow-up weekend takings. I would think it needs to make #1 here in the States its opening weekend to make a dent in people's heads. The reviews are surprising people here so that's something. I think they'd expected it to be an empty-headed noisefest and it seems to be registering there's something more here.
QuoteI think Dredd will rely quite heavily on good reviewsand publications not bottling it (I'm looking at you, Total Film and Empire, with your inexplicably middling reviews after loads of positive press, which have already put off a few Brits I know)
The Empire review especially read like a 4 star review - I think they actually described it as 'good, often excellent'. I guess a lot of people are just going to look at the review scores and jump to conclusions though. A shame.
Yeah, I really don't get the thinking behind it.
Maybe they have a star shortage.
QuoteI would think it needs to make #1 here in the States its opening weekend to make a dent in people's heads.
Can't see that happening, though stranger things have happened I guess.
QuoteDoes that ever happen in the US? Won't it just be pulled from cinemas if it's not doing well?
It'd have to be doing really badly - like
Keith Lemon: The Film badly - to get pulled after a single week though wouldn't it?
Quote from: radiator on 03 September, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
It'd have to be doing really badly - like Keith Lemon: The Film badly - to get pulled after a single week though wouldn't it?
There's still hope that that'll happen..
Quote from: radiator on 03 September, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
Can't see that happening, though stranger things have happened I guess.
Then again there isn't much competition, I think it could quite well take the no. 1 spot if it opens well in UK first. Combined with the great buzz that will surely attract enough people out of curiosity on it's opening weekend.
Looper and (sigh) the new Resident Evil arrive a week later though, they'll more than likely do a fair bit of damage to Dredd's second week take, which is a shame. Though Looper does actually sound quite interesting to be fair.
I think everyone's a bit fed up of yet another resident evil.. Surely they should now be going straight to DVD?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 03 September, 2012, 02:31:51 PM
Here's what I reckon.. First week it'll do sorta okay. Then word of mouth will make weeks 2-3 a lot busier, and so on and so forth.
That is unfortunately not how it works, not for wide releases anno 2012. Weeks 2 and 3 are
never, ever busier than week 1.
What Good Word of Mouth means is that the week to week decline is less steep than "normal" for a movie of its type. Lets say that the baseline Weekend-1-to-weekend-2-decline for a genre movie of this kind should be 50 %.
Good word of mouth means that it will drop 30 to 40 % instead of 50 %, not that attendance will increase.
That is why so much importance is given to opening weekends, in cases of extreme high or low figures you can make the call wether any given movie is a flop or a hit once you've got the opening weekend numbers. If the opening weekend is between these extremes, one has to wait and see how WOM will determine numbers over a matter of weeks before one can make a call. This is what I think will happen with Dredd.
I doubt it will open so high that 50 mill is a lock.
Yep. I think Dredd's best hope is to open bigger than expected, then, through strong word of mouth, stick around in cinemas for a few weeks with minimal drop-off. If it opens at $20m or higher then there's a chance it'll break that $50m by the end of it's run.
It's a huge ask, though. I wouldn't bet on it.
QuoteI think everyone's a bit fed up of yet another resident evil..
You'd have thought that after the first one.
I would think Dredd needs to open at least $30 mil. Not impossible.
But that's a higher opening weekend than either Total Recall or The Expendables 2, isn't it? :o
Seems highly unlikely to me.
Using that back-of-an-envelope space maths for working out box-office - dropping 50% each subsequent week after release - then $26m is the magic number.
Quote from: radiator on 02 September, 2012, 11:36:23 PM
I've been thinking though - where did this perception that higher certificate = lower box office come from?
I was wondering recently why it is that all of the superhero films of late have been certificate 12A (back when I was a lad, films which were aimed at children were always U or PG). I realised that this is no mistake, the film producers do not want the certificates to be U or PG. Why? Because when the kids want to go and see the latest superhero movie, they can't go without an adult. So instead of selling one ticket for a U or PG film where a parent doesn't have to be in attendance, the 12 film is guaranteed to sell two.
I wouldn't even be surprised if there are films which were originally written for a younger audience, but that the producers add a bit of nastiness just to harden up the rating. Real Steel certainly felt like that - all the way through it's pretty much a PG film, but then there is one scene where [spoiler]Hugh Jackman is beaten to a pulp in front of his young son[/spoiler]. It was a scene which didn't feel like it belonged in this film, and I believe was cynically added to avoid the dreaded PG certificate. And what about all those superhero films where there is one instance of "strong language"? Can there be any justification for that other than to get the 12 rating?
On the other side of the coin, I also feel that there are a few films which should be 15 certs which are being slightly toned down to get the more lucrative 12 cert. When I saw "Hanna" I thought that film was conceived as a 15. There is a fair amount of nastiness, and some scenes in which you know what is about to happen but you don't see it because it cuts away. Worse still, the BBFC are quite happy with images of violence so long as there isn't blood and battle injury. What kind of message is that giving children? That violence is a quick, clean, and relatively painless experience? Not exactly helpful.
Sorry for going all Mary Whitehouse but this is something that infuriates me about films today, and sorry also for going slightly off-topic.
I'm delighted to see that the producers of Dredd have rolled the dice and are going to give us the Dredd we all know and love, one which will show violence in all it's technicolour ugliness.
Quote from: blackmocco on 03 September, 2012, 06:45:14 PM
I would think Dredd needs to open at least $30 mil. Not impossible.
It's not impossible, but damn unlikely.
If it did though, it would be an instant certified hit, and a sequel would be greenlit the following Monday.
What it can not do is open to significantly less than 20 mill.
Quote from: The Bissler on 03 September, 2012, 07:42:10 PMWorse still, the BBFC are quite happy with images of violence so long as there isn't blood and battle injury. What kind of message is that giving children? That violence is a quick, clean, and relatively painless experience? Not exactly helpful.
Quite. Lots of that in the most recent Batman flick. Well, that and about an hour of unnecessary footage.
I hope this film does well, and I'm quite confident that it will. I'm going to the cinema with 8 other people, most of whom haven't read 2000AD or any other comics for that matter, I haven't been to the cinema with a large group of people since LOTR. And its not just because I'm a massive fanboy who won't shut up about it, there's genuine interest in Dredd, it's a British film, about a British comic character, I think it will do well here. I also think it will do well worldwide, much like Mad Max, which only took about $9 mil in the US, but $100 mil worldwide.
I'm not concerned about hitting the $50 mil target in the US, I think a sequel is inevitable because, as many reviews have pointed out there's great potential in the source material.
It may take longer for a sequel to get the green light if it doesn't hit the target Alex suggests, but I think it will happen. It's pretty clear from the reviews that Judge Dredd, when done well has great potential.
I'm not so sure about a TV series though, wouldn't that mean we lose Urban and Thirlby? I'm not sure I would want that to happen.
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 04 September, 2012, 08:13:59 AM
I'm not concerned about hitting the $50 mil target in the US, I think a sequel is inevitable because, as many reviews have pointed out there's great potential in the source material.
It may take longer for a sequel to get the green light if it doesn't hit the target Alex suggests, but I think it will happen. It's pretty clear from the reviews that Judge Dredd, when done well has great potential.
Reviews don't matter for anything unless they get people into the cinema. If the film doesn't make money in the US, then they won't be able to find a US distributor for the sequel, and that means no sequel.
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 04 September, 2012, 08:13:59 AM
I think it will do well here. I also think it will do well worldwide, much like Mad Max, which only took about $9 mil in the US, but $100 mil worldwide.
$9 million with inflation is about $28 million these days. That's an exceptional return for a film that only cost about half a million to make.
Dredd is a very hard film to predict in terms of success.
Quote from: Diminished Responsibility on 04 September, 2012, 08:13:59 AMI'm not so sure about a TV series though, wouldn't that mean we lose Urban and Thirlby? I'm not sure I would want that to happen.
That would depend on how those actors want their careers to progress. These days, there's plenty of TV that has exceptional production values, starring actors who've previously had decent roles on the big screen.
If there would be a TV series, I'd hope it'd be a smaller, 6-8 episode season, as opposed to the 23 episode, milked dry kind you get.
QuoteReviews don't matter for anything unless they get people into the cinema. If the film doesn't make money in the US, then they won't be able to find a US distributor for the sequel, and that means no sequel.
The Raid got picked up for a remake with only $4 mil US box office, granted that's a good return on its $1 mil budget, but it's definitely down to how the film is perceived as having potential that it's picked up at all, because a US remake is going to cost at least 3 times its US box office to produce.
Also Punisher, how many times are they going to remake that particular franchise?
Quote$9 million with inflation is about $28 million these days. That's an exceptional return for a film that only cost about half a million to make.
Fair point, but for Mad Max II they gave it a much bigger budget for a sequel that hit the market about 2 years later and it was a much better return. Isn't that because of potential?
Dredd was a hard sell, Stallone and Cannon tainted the project 17 years ago, and that stigma is still felt. People may not have seen Judge Dredd, but everyone in the US knows who Stallone is, and can probably list the films that flopped badly as well as the ones that succeeded. Look at the negativity on IMDB just six months ago, even the trailer was met with a resounding 'meh' online. But look at how its perceived now, the potential in the source material is there, and its been proven that a high quality special effects heavy sci-fi movie can be made on a modest budget. Dredd may struggle at the US box office because of the 95 film, but a sequel certainly wouldn't have that problem.
QuoteThat would depend on how those actors want their careers to progress. These days, there's plenty of TV that has exceptional production values, starring actors who've previously had decent roles on the big screen.
Thirlby and Urban have both done TV before, and Lena Headey certainly seems able to get a few movies out even with Game of Thrones ongoing, not that she's likely to turn up in a Dredd TV series! I would be a bit worried about Dredd changing hands, so unless Alex and team are involved... I dunno, I just want the lot of 'em working on a sequel, TV or otherwise. I don't want it to change hands really.
Lionsgate have seemed pretty confident with this one, considering it's a low budget 18 I was very surprised at the amount of promotion for it. I would guess that they would be willing to risk it with another one even if this doesn't do as well as hoped. But I suppose that's just more wishful thinking.
Frankly, with so many action/sci-fi fans out there, it will be odd if such a well-reviewed and 'buzzy' film as Dredd fails to at least get a decent turn-out - despite the R/18 rating.
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict a US box office take of: $67 million.
And a total worldwide take of: $119 million.
Slay 'em, Dreddy!
looking at the buzz and some not so terribly scientific investigation.. it will take at least 16.80(plus booking fee)
Any news yet?: where's the best place to look?
Quote from: darnmarr on 07 September, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Any news yet?: where's the best place to look?
Below CF house, most Dredd stuff ends up there
:lol: Much as I'm eager for information: there are just some places I daren't venture...
Can't find the link again but found a website estimating Dredd's US opening weekend estimation as $18 mil rounding off for a total of $34 mil. Bit disappointing to read that. I'm a bit more hopeful but man, there's some stiff competition for the same audiences. Resident Evil opens the 14th, then Dredd on the 21st and Looper, which is getting HUGE reviews here (and in all fairness, looks pretty great), on the 28th.
Pretty sure that boxoffice.com are actually estimating around a $13m opening with a $34m total.
But that was before all the great reviews and buzz started hitting, so that could well change.
It deserves to make so much more,with all the dross that get sequels it would be a travesty if Dredd didn't get one.
Read those estimates myself, it was Box Office Mojo I saw it on and they were comparing it directly to Kick Ass and taking the estimates from there.
I didn't realize Resident Evil and Looper were out so close to it in the states, that's a real shame. I know the Resi movies are far from great, but they're very reliable box office movies so could take a real chunk out of Dredd. Wonder why they didn't go for a global release? This week seems perfect for it.
Drokking Daily Star and their upsetting and misleading headlines!...
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/271328/No-show-for-Karl-Urban-s-Judge-Dredd/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/271328/No-show-for-Karl-Urban-s-Judge-Dredd/)
why do I feel like someone's toying with me?
I confess i was expecting a more packed house on friday- and i also confess that i have very little success in predicting how much movies are going to take, other than (specific to the genre i have a particular interest in) an ability to spot flops and broader successes mile off. Dredd could go either way, or languish in tt middle ground.
While i didnt like it very much, it's certainly not a lazy or badly-made film, and as such deserves to do better than umpteen fast and furious films or things that go direct to dvd starring steven segall. Who knows though. Im going back to see it again, so to play my part in boosting the take. Id urge everyone to do the same.
SBT
Where do you look to find out where the film is released in the world? Asking because I was curious about China since it seems to be a huge market giving good returns for eg Amazing Spiderman.
Im no expert, but try boxofficemojo.com (which always seems us-centric to me, but im probably missing bits) and the links on the imdb.
SBT
After being saddened my viewing only had about 30 people in it, I asked a friend who went last night and he said it was 3/4 full so fingers crossed its just a first day thing. Usually I'd avoid a first day showing like the plague as I'd assume it to be packed to the gills.
I'm seeing it tonight in London, very curious to see how busy it is.
Lionsgate's marketing departament might be hammering the film heavily in the U.S though i can't see the same attention on the U.K marketing. I saw Dredd yesterday at Odeon Camden and Grud's sake,there wasn't a single poster or even a picture stating they were screening the new movie there. And it's Camden town,right...overcrowded with people who would possibly be willing to see it. Some of the target public of which isn't exactly into the comics,though would pick a good action thriller at random couldn't do it cos there's no way to know Dredd has been screening there.
Despite these small,understandable flaws the film is going to do well at box office,it's raising the cult status and people are getting curious(grab the random public would be a great but i think Dredd will end up doing it by the word of mouth anyway).
Quote from: James Stacey on 09 September, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
After being saddened my viewing only had about 30 people in it, I asked a friend who went last night and he said it was 3/4 full so fingers crossed its just a first day thing. Usually I'd avoid a first day showing like the plague as I'd assume it to be packed to the gills.
Very glad to hear that, my worryometre was twitching.I lot of people round here go on cheap night Tuesday or Orange Wednesday.I've been on those nights to see other films in the past and there are usually very busy,so when I go I'll report back.
No evidence of Dredd marketing inside my cinema (stand-ups etc) but there are a couple of posters outside.I do wish this had had a big launch in terms of a Premier which may have given it and extra push into the publics consciousness.
We all have to do our bit in the meantime ,see it as many times as we can ,bring as many people as we can can and -Spread the Word.
Quote from: StahlMench on 09 September, 2012, 12:08:19 PM
Lionsgate's marketing departament might be hammering the film heavily in the U.S though i can't see the same attention on the U.K marketing.
Lionsgate aren't marketing the film anywhere else but the US. It's Entertainment Film's job as the UK distributor to push the film.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 September, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: StahlMench on 09 September, 2012, 12:08:19 PM
Lionsgate's marketing departament might be hammering the film heavily in the U.S though i can't see the same attention on the U.K marketing.
Lionsgate aren't marketing the film anywhere else but the US. It's Entertainment Film's job as the UK distributor to push the film.
So they are relying on the supposition that the joe public in U.K knows Dredd pretty well. As a matter of fact,most of people I work with doesn't know Dredd,doesn't know 2000AD and not eve know that Britain produce comic books. It's risky but understandable once you've got a limited marketing budget to count on the character's supposedly known brand.
By all accounts the US response is critical, if it succeeds there ,we get a sequel, simply as.So they are rightly making the biggest push there
Having done a few cinema patrols now, I would say that there is at least a 90% brand awareness of Dredd across the public in general.
It's getting good word-of-mouth, judging by twitter, so fingers crossed. Apart from the odd one who didn't like it, and by odd I mean it's like 1000 likes against 1. So seriously good buzz.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 09 September, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
The odd one who didn't like it
[spoiler]
Fuckem Drokkem[/spoiler]
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 09 September, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
The odd one who didn't like it...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yRNl6GEdR5E/UEyoVnGTcpI/AAAAAAAACBQ/s78FXze36mQ/s400/LenaHeadey%2528DoubleFinger%2529.jpg)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 September, 2012, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: StahlMench on 09 September, 2012, 12:08:19 PM
Lionsgate's marketing departament might be hammering the film heavily in the U.S though i can't see the same attention on the U.K marketing.
Lionsgate aren't marketing the film anywhere else but the US. It's Entertainment Film's job as the UK distributor to push the film.
Yeah, I'll give Lionsgate one thing: If the movie flops in the US, it's not going to be down to advertising. They are raping everyone's eyeballs with Dredd over here.
Quote from: blackmocco on 09 September, 2012, 03:35:46 PM
They are raping everyone's eyeballs with Dredd over here.
Its only what they deserve.
Guess we can check this site - bfi weekendboxoffice (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/weekendboxoffice) on how Dredd is doing.
Fingers crossed!
Does the opening weekend really matter that much in the UK? Dredd is prime DVD fodder, it's likely to clean up on the home viewing market here. The US though...??
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 09 September, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
Does the opening weekend really matter that much in the UK? Dredd is prime DVD fodder, it's likely to clean up on the home viewing market here. The US though...??
Given the film's relatively modest budget, I think it would have to tank spectacularly in theatres and on DVD to fail to make money, but that's not the point. Any chance of a sequel is predicated on a decent-ish box office in the US.
If Dredd performs unspectacularly
here, where the character has considerable traction in popular culture, then I think it would bode ill for its US performance, where the character is essentially unknown beyond the '95 movie.
Cheers
Jim
Screendaily reporter Ian Sandwell (@ian_sandwell) tweets:
QuoteHearing that #Dredd has taken top spot at the UK box office; Anna Karenina's £980k debut in 2nd. Soft market overall, -25% on last weekend.
Soft market or not, if true that will make me insanely happy.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 September, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Screendaily reporter Ian Sandwell (@ian_sandwell) tweets:
QuoteHearing that #Dredd has taken top spot at the UK box office; Anna Karenina's £980k debut in 2nd. Soft market overall, -25% on last weekend.
Soft market or not, if true that will make me insanely happy.
Cheers!
Jim
Now that is fantastic news!"Number 1 at the UK Box Office"will get more bums on seats and alerts those overseas!
You can do it Dredd!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-heeJ_jpTS38/TWKrwsrL1SI/AAAAAAAABN4/QUUPU4vwm-o/s1600/you+can+do+it.jpg)
Sorry: :-[ couldn't help meself.
Great news,it's getting two more tickets off me tomorrow and maybe Thursday,Thankfully payday is just around the corner so I will be able to nip in again... a few times.
Quote from: darnmarr on 09 September, 2012, 05:49:27 PM
Sorry: :-[ couldn't help meself.
I've been wanting to put that for aaaaaages! :lol:
Now, the distributors should realise they're on to something and release a few more 2D prints for those that can't or won't watch 3D.
They'll reap it in!
Mmmm.
To be honest, I thought the 3D was more effective in the showing at the Soho Hotel.
They were using Active Shutter glasses and that impressed me a lot more than the Dolby 3D showing.
It was obviously still noticeable on the slomo sequences, but really was barely apparent the rest.
I don't know how Dolby 3D compares with Real3D or other formats, I'll probably check it one more time this week.
I always find RealD pretty lacklustre, it can be really dim and murky and sometimes doesn't seem like it adds much. I found it worked great in Dredd though, certain scenes really popped and the others didn't lose anything. Certainly impressive when compared to The Avengers, which I saw in RealD and genuinely couldn't see what was going on or what characters looked like for chunks of the film, and no depth was added whatsoever.
I'm curious what the difference between IMAX 3D and RealD is, I've always found the IMAX 3D looks leagues ahead but the tech seems the same. Not sure how much of that could be credited to just the bigger screen and higher resolution. I would do just about anything to see Dredd in IMAX, there would be some properly vertigo-inducing moments in there.
did Dredd not make a load of money already on distribution rights ( 20 million or something) before they even started.
it will make its money back, easily, either through the box office, DVD and Blu ray Sales and Commando forces.
I still find it a bit weird of the fixation on US box office performance, emerging markets are were the moneys at.
I think it's just the fact that America is the biggest market, so if it can't make its money there then it's a bad indicator.
It did get a lot of money for the distribution rights (think it was actually $50 million was the deal) but I'm not sure that would mean anything in terms of securing a sequel. It might mean DNA make their money back, but if Dredd doesn't get people into the cinemas then I'd imagine the distributors will be the ones losing money and that's the factor that would influence a sequel being greenlit and financed.
Quote from: NSFTM on 09 September, 2012, 07:00:13 PM
did Dredd not make a load of money already on distribution rights ( 20 million or something) before they even started.
it will make its money back, easily, either through the box office, DVD and Blu ray Sales and Commando forces.
Heh, funny and true. :)
Quote
I still find it a bit weird of the fixation on US box office performance, emerging markets are were the moneys at.
US is by far the biggest single market but the you're right that the worldwide figure is more important (and DVD/blu-ray sales more important again).
Dark Knight Rises was the first Batman film to make more money outside the US,some of this is down the the awful shooting but it still made more in America than the Dark Knight.Worldwide is the future.I want to see what Dredd does in India,Russia etc,probably get cut to shit in China but still...
It needs to make more money in the US because the main distributor who paid the most for distribution rights is Lionsgate who are only distributing in the US which also happens to be the largest single cinema audience and where distributors can poentially get the biggest cut of box-office takings.
I'm not sure how Resident Evil is somehow still spawning sequels while Dredd is predicted to have an uphill struggle; Resident Evil hac a smaller budget (though admitedly did seem to look a little more lavish), while both have brand recognition and a star attached. The franchise seems to be bullet-proof, surviving awful reviews and some dodgy episodes, theatrical screenings are patchy, and it's not as if the game series could still be that hot a property any more. Could that horror genre tag make that much of a difference?
50 million gamers worldwide is a sizeable audience to pull your demographic from.
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 09 September, 2012, 07:37:23 PM
I'm not sure how Resident Evil is somehow still spawning sequels while Dredd is predicted to have an uphill struggle; Resident Evil hac a smaller budget (though admitedly did seem to look a little more lavish), while both have brand recognition and a star attached. The franchise seems to be bullet-proof, surviving awful reviews and some dodgy episodes, theatrical screenings are patchy, and it's not as if the game series could still be that hot a property any more. Could that horror genre tag make that much of a difference?
Hot chick in tight costume = guaranteed box office.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 09 September, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
Hot chick in tight costume = guaranteed box office.
Anderson's not that bad.
How much connection do the sequels have to the games though?
I've only got passing familiarity with a couple of the RE games, and apart from the name, and zombies it could be anything it seems.
Silent Hill seemed to pick more imagery from the game.
Like Mark says, it's the same demographic as Underworld I guess.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 September, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 09 September, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
Hot chick in tight costume = guaranteed box office.
Anderson's not that bad.
Certainly isn't, but the body armour's a bit bulky.
Yeah, it's the Milla factor. I have to shamefully admit (and this has only just struck me) that I've been to every Resident Evil movie in the cinema and other than the eye candy I really don't know why. They're objectively terrible films but sometimes I like to switch my brain off and just enjoying watching an attractive woman fight zombies.
Now, if I keep going to see them and I don't even think they're good, then I can see how they keep making money.
There isn't any logical reason for resident evil to still be making money. The films have nothing to do with the games, in fact Land Of The Dead was much closer to the first 3 games atmosphere-wise. It ain't even like Milla is got anymore! I've seen better acting in Sesame Street. At this point I'd say people go to see them out of habit.
(Hot anymore)
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 September, 2012, 08:06:51 PMI've only got passing familiarity with a couple of the RE games, and apart from the name, and zombies it could be anything it seems.
And after the second one it barely has any zombies either. The whole plot basically involves a semi-hot chick running around in slow motion.
Ive seen three of the Resident Evil films, and if asked not only could i not tell you what they were about, beyond the keywords 'zombies', 'underground bunker' and 'raccoon city', and im not sure about that last one- but id be hard-pressed to explain the concept at all, seeing as while im sure it was originally a zombie thing, i remember the last one i saw was about- i dunno, clones? Monsters? What? I couldnt pick the lead woman out of a crowd, and the trailer i saw before dredd 3d looked terrible, with some of the worst 3d ive ever seen. Really shockingly bad.
SBT
I want Anderson to stop making Resi films only so he can make Three Musketeers sequels. I'll be the only one watching them, but I don't care.
Oddly enough, as we're talking about Resident Evil: Regurgitation (or whatever the latest one's called)...
You know how when you go to the movies, and afterwards (or during) you talk with your friends about which of the other advertised movies you fancy seeing?
Well, may mate's missus hit the nail on the head in the post-movie pub session with her comment that 'out of all the movies they showed us tonight, I think we probably watched the best one.'
Seriously - Resident Evil: Reblahblahblah just looks like an endless string of scenes conceived to look Teh Awesum in 3D. I was tempted to do my best Don Fontaine impression and growl 'This summer... in a world... of tight fitting leather bodysuits... chicks who were hotter ten years ago than they are now... will run towards you... IN 3D!'
We also chortled through the trailer for 'A Few Best Men', but had to concede that, given our experience with British comedy movies, we had probably just witnessed every single joke in the script.
As for The Sweeney... why? It looks naff beyond belief.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 09 September, 2012, 10:48:59 PM
I want Anderson to stop making Resi films only so he can make Three Musketeers sequels. I'll be the only one watching them, but I don't care.
I suspect you might find a few borders would be with you on that one. Three musketeer was one of the best bad films in years. Loved it.
ODEON @ODEONCinemas
Looks like DREDD leads this weekends Box Office, followed by Lawless, Anna Karenina and Total Recall. Did you catch any of these?
Confirmed No.1 at the UK Box Office by the tweet droid.
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Confirmed No.1 at the UK Box Office by the tweet droid.
Well done everyone! :D
Excellent news! Given the word of mouth is looking great here's hoping it gets even better from here. My word of mouth in particular is probably doing everyone around me's heads in...
With No 1 at Box Office, hope the cinemas would realise that and opening more screenings with 3D AND 2D!
I would just like to say: Fuck yeah!
Eat it, lame Total Recall remake.
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
I would just like to say: Fuck yeah!
Eat it, lame Total Recall remake.
This. Drokking great news and it must be a huge relief for all involved.
Quote from: radiator on 10 September, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
I would just like to say: Fuck yeah!
Eat it, lame Total Recall remake.
I'd like to second the comments of our learned board member, and add 'In your face Generic Costume Drama'
100% fresh on Rotten Toms after 33 reviews....
Being number 1 is indeed very commendable, but it's the bottom line that really counts.
We need figures!
Before we get too carried away, it should be noted that the overall box office performance of all the films in the top ten was pretty dismal (-25% on last week apparently), owing to the hot weather. So while Dredd is pick of the bunch, it's far from a smash - at least so far.
Hoping that the film can capitalise on this early success and get more bums on seats the rest of this week as the weather cools and word of mouth spreads.
Dredd, over the weekend, has had to contend with football,hot weather, The Paralympics...
Hopefully, we'll start seeing some great weekday takings.
So where's that daft Daily Mail review? Are the administrators at Rotten Tomatoes 2000ad fans or something?
Yep and new Dredd 3D tv advert with UK Number 1 box office would help people to want see it!
Quote from: Goaty on 10 September, 2012, 11:44:14 AM
Yep and new Dredd 3D tv advert with UK Number 1 box office would help people to want see it!
Indeed.Bet we see ads in the press tomorrow too!!!
Goaty, you'll be doing a signing tour of your own soon!You can sign stills of your graffiti !! ;) :lol:
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 September, 2012, 11:50:00 AM
Goaty, you'll be doing a signing tour of your own soon!You can sign stills of your graffiti !! ;) :lol:
Haha! that is one of three Goaty in the film, I still want to find 2 more!
Brilliant News!!
Yeah, so chuffed about this news.
"Dredd 3D is the UK's Box Office number 1 having taken over a million pounds on its opening weekend beating the competition including Anna Karenina, Lawless and Total Recall. It is the first 18 certificate film to be number 1 since 2010."
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 September, 2012, 12:37:54 PM
"Dredd 3D is the UK's Box Office number 1 having taken over a million pounds on its opening weekend beating the competition including Anna Karenina, Lawless and Total Recall. It is the first 18 certificate film to be number 1 since 2010."
How Drokking cool is that! :D
Very happy about the No.1 spot, and about it being the first 18 reated No.1 spot the bast two years,
but the amount grossed so far doesn't seem all that...impressive.
Quote from: norse_sage on 10 September, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
Very happy about the No.1 spot, and about it being the first 18 reated No.1 spot the bast two years,
but the amount grossed so far doesn't seem all that...impressive.
It's an 18 cert movie and it's only been on for 3 days!
Give it time!
...And, as has been pointed out it was a very slow weekend for the cinemas overall - not because of the films released, but because it has been absolutely gorgeous weather-wise here in England this weekend and most sane people were out having barbecues or sitting outside their local pub, not sitting in a cinema.
Add to that the Paralympics and Paralympics closing ceremony on TV, as well as a big football match on Friday night...
I fully expect it to pick up significantly by the end of the week, but opening at no.1 is encouraging and a good start.
I've seen completely random tweets saying things like "Going to see Dredd to see what all the fuss is about", which is really good to hear - the word of mouth does seem incredibly positive and it seems like Dredd could become a bit of a 'thing', especially now it's at number 1...
I'm gutted I've had to postopne my double trip untill tommorrow,gone into asthma/hayfever/can'tfuckingbreathe overdrive with this weather and I'm wheezing like a muthafiddler.So rather than have an episode midway through i'm going to see what I'm like tomorrow :(
Still got two week off work so no worries...
Link to the quoted comment (if it hasnt been put up already)
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/dredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office/5046400.article?blocktitle=Box-office&contentID=610
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 September, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Link to the quoted comment (if it hasnt been put up already)
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/dredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office/5046400.article?blocktitle=Box-office&contentID=610
That link appears to be behind a paywall. Don't know if the whole article is the same, but the quoted text also appears here. (http://www.liveforfilms.com/2012/09/10/dredd-is-number-1-at-the-box-office/)
Cheers
Jim
That's bizarre, getting there from google works but directly doesn't.
Does this one work (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.screendaily.com%2Fbox-office%2Fdredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office%2F5046400.article%3Fblocktitle%3DBox-office%26contentID%3D610&ei=YN9NUJ2AJMqx0QXR8YAg&usg=AFQjCNGd-8Bek__QuvQKEm0xB8OMxpRYHw&sig2=kMBxV5dOvVgEmrViGrt2pg&cad=rja)
I've been dragging my mates along to help increase box office takings and my wife's been spreading the word at her place of work!
Come everyone, it's your civic duty! ;)
Yeah mother fuckers! This is great. Love the headline 'blows away competition'
"Choke on that!"
I'll be interested to see how Dredd performs in relation to 28 Days Later which I think is DNA's most successful film to date.
28 Days Later was significantly lower budget but it turned a decent profit and seems to have had quite a large social impact. If Dredd can do that I'd think a sequel would be almost certain.
From IMDB 28 Days Later
Opening weekend £1,500,079 (UK) (3 November 2002) (318 Screens)
Dredd is IMO a better film than 28Days later. Great film mind.
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 September, 2012, 01:40:34 PM
That's bizarre, getting there from google works but directly doesn't.
Does this one work (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.screendaily.com%2Fbox-office%2Fdredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office%2F5046400.article%3Fblocktitle%3DBox-office%26contentID%3D610&ei=YN9NUJ2AJMqx0QXR8YAg&usg=AFQjCNGd-8Bek__QuvQKEm0xB8OMxpRYHw&sig2=kMBxV5dOvVgEmrViGrt2pg&cad=rja)
Yup that one works just fine, ta.
Oh this is very heartening. As numbers in showings I have been to were disappointing.
I had taken into account weather but was unaware of 'important' football, no such thing in my case so I easily forget there is to others. Still, I can't see a football match affecting a whole weekend's figures over much.
Now I am aware that midweek crowd in Leeds can be quite big, Wednesday & Thursday in particular. Seats are cheaper in almost every showing at my cinema of choice - but I don't like seeing a film on a school-night.
I may well be seeing it again this week with colleagues, unconfirmed as yet. That'll be 4 viewings (3 paid for). I was tempted to pop to that London again to see Judge Burdis on patrol but realised I could see it multiple times here instead and not spend as much.
I do hope to see a 2D showing at some point, not bothered to look if there is one near me. If I do I'll make it public so anyone else within travel of Leeds can take a look.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 September, 2012, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 September, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Link to the quoted comment (if it hasnt been put up already)
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/dredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office/5046400.article?blocktitle=Box-office&contentID=610
That link appears to be behind a paywall. Don't know if the whole article is the same, but the quoted text also appears here. (http://www.liveforfilms.com/2012/09/10/dredd-is-number-1-at-the-box-office/)
Cheers
Jim
Good, but also not good if I'm reading this correctly..
Saw 3D opened in 25 territories with $14.4 million (including preview screenings) placing first place in the United Kingdom (UK) with $5.8 million, beating Saw III's $4.7 million UK opening.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_3D#Box_office
That's great news :D Dredd No1 :D More good publicity.
One of my workmates took his better half to see Dredd on saturday afternoon, she had misheard him and thought they were going to see Ted. She was not a happy bunny and sat, slumped in the seat with a face longer than a wet weekend... Untill Ma-Ma said [spoiler]"Skin them and throw them off the top floor!"[/spoiler] His wife sat up in her seat and was glued to the screen for the rest of the film. She's now taking her sister to see it tuesday. :lol:
Stew.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 September, 2012, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 10 September, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Link to the quoted comment (if it hasnt been put up already)
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/dredd-blasts-away-competition-at-the-uk-box-office/5046400.article?blocktitle=Box-office&contentID=610
That link appears to be behind a paywall. Don't know if the whole article is the same, but the quoted text also appears here. (http://www.liveforfilms.com/2012/09/10/dredd-is-number-1-at-the-box-office/)
Cheers
Jim
QuoteDredd 3D is the UK's Box Office number 1 having taken over a million pounds on its opening weekend beating the competition including Anna Karenina, Lawless and Total Recall. It is the first 18 certificate film to be number 1 since 2010.
(http://www.youngausskeptics.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Dr-Evil.jpg)
Weird thing is, I haven't see any trailers on TV since Friday.They could appeal to the female crowd by bigging up Andersons role in a new trailer, for instance.
Quote from: Stan on 10 September, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
Saw 3D opened in 25 territories with $14.4 million (including preview screenings) placing first place in the United Kingdom (UK) with $5.8 million, beating Saw III's $4.7 million UK opening.
Saw 3D was the final installment in a very succesful franchise like Resident Evil. Dredd isn't.
1. Dredd 3D - 1.04 million
2. Anna K - 973 thousand
3. Lawless - 871 thousand
Source = Alex Garland + John Wagner
Posted on IMDB by painbros22
http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dredd-3D-box-office-uk-369062
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 10 September, 2012, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Stan on 10 September, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
Saw 3D opened in 25 territories with $14.4 million (including preview screenings) placing first place in the United Kingdom (UK) with $5.8 million, beating Saw III's $4.7 million UK opening.
Saw 3D was the final installment in a very succesful franchise like Resident Evil. Dredd isn't.
Indeed. That was something I had also considered. I'm starting to get the feeling it's safe for a sequel regardless. Though feel free to lynch Junox if I'm wrong.
It's incredibly premature to make any conclusions.
It hasn't even opened in the US.
Quote from: Steve Green on 10 September, 2012, 07:16:51 PM
It's incredibly premature to make any conclusions.
Hey! This
is the internet, you know.
It's just a gut feeling, not based on any real science.
Laboratoire Garnier are hiring ;)
Essence of gut.
I think Dredd's Box office could have a bigger impact then just the chance of sequels.
A low-budget 18/R action movie does well at the box office, we could see some more action movies with balls, which would make me very happy.
But if it doesn't, it comes across as a film with universal positive reviews doesn't do well because it is an 18/R so we could end up seeing less action movies with balls. Which would make me sad.
About 60 people in my 8pm screening tonight, the busiest of my 3 trips. Hopefully that word of mouth is taking hold, there were a lot of couples and I got the impression these weren't fans but just folks wanting to see a decent movie. A lot of buzz and excited chatter about it as soon as the credits rolled too.
It's raining outside, people need Dredd.
£21 of that £1.06m was mine - KTT me now Tharg!
A million quid roughly translates as 100,000 punters - sadly most of them are Commando Forces, but I'm sure the other 40 folk enjoyed it too.
How many people who must have read 2000ad at one time or another, must come to over 200,000 ?>?
DREDD blast`s away the competition with 1.65mil in its 1st weekend in the uk and the 1st 18cert movie in two years to top the charts i might add, lets just hope the buzz gets state side so when its released there are american friends can go see what all the fuss is about and if you happen to be in the states readin this then when this fantastic movie comes out were ever you are why not go and see the film of the year :thumbsup:
My local cineworld have their listings for next week up now, DREDD is still on 5 showings on Saturday and 4 every other day. Not sure how this stuff works but usually I'd take no reduction in screenings as a sign that it's done pretty well for them.
Quite often I decide to wait until week 2 to see something and then find there are hardly any showings because (I assume) it didn't make them money in the first week.
Quote from: hazy efc on 11 September, 2012, 03:13:05 AM
DREDD blast`s away the competition with 1.65mil in its 1st weekend in the uk
Worth noting that number is 1.65M
US dollars, the GBP take is £1.04M.
Cheers
Jim
Ah... Well still pretty good considering the circumstances..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 September, 2012, 09:43:50 AM
Ah... Well still pretty good considering the circumstances..
Yes. Quiet week at the cinema, largely due to the fantastic weather, I suspect.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 September, 2012, 09:15:30 AM
Quote from: hazy efc on 11 September, 2012, 03:13:05 AM
DREDD blast`s away the competition with 1.65mil in its 1st weekend in the uk
Worth noting that number is 1.65M US dollars, the GBP take is £1.04M.
Cheers
Jim
I stand corrected sir but still aint bad
You know, it strikes me that even if it doesn't generate enough profits to justify sequels, we've finally got the Dredd movie we've always dreamed of. That will always be out there now, over time eclipsing the memory/stain of the Stallone outing, and no-one can ever take that away from us. Not saying I don't want sequels, but if it doesn't happen it's not the end of the world I guess. Sequels tend to diminish in quality as they go anyway.
QuoteSequels tend to diminish in quality as they go anyway.
True but I suspect that Dredd has at least one truly excellent sequel in it. The first film is wonderful, but feels like a glimpse of something bigger and even better.
If there are to be no sequels, then I think it's pretty safe to claim Dredd as an instant cult-classic.
Well, that's me down for a repeat viewing on Saturday afternoon, with a different posse in tow from last time. I'm trying my best!
Cheers
Jim
I'm off to see it in Leicester tomorrow evening with Mini-Bolt. Really looking forward to it already.
second time for me, this time in wimbledon. as i travel a lot my vewing will be across the country so they cant accuse me of rigging things like ban news did with their single. :lol:
I'll be heading out for a third helping this week and also bringing different folks along, so far everyone I've been with dredd fans or not have loved it.
Just booked tickets for Saturday for my girlfriend's first watch. It'll be my 4th and I'm every bit as excited as the first 3 times, I'm actually getting an additional thrill from going back with different people and seeing how they react, I know she's going to absolutely love it.
Doing a google news search for 'Dredd Box Office' comes up with some great headlines
Dredd blasts away competition at the UK box office
British Film Dredd box office smash
Dredd tops UK box office, wows critics
Judge Dredd Rules In Britain
'Dredd 3D' Takes UK Weekend Box Office With $1.65 Mil
:thumbsup:
Going to watch it for the 3rd time tonight, still really excited to see it again!
and, all going well, im off tonight for my 2nd viewing. Managed to pressgang a few mates into coming as well.
More money for the Dredd pot!
My third viewing tonight too, the girlfriends second, and the rest of my family for the first time. Another £50 to the Dredd-ometer! :)
A lot of people on twitter and tumblr are saying they'll see it again at the cinema.
Hopefully autumn is kicking in and the second week UK won't drop off too much.
Plus they might roll out the 2D much wider next week.
I've seen it three times, and might see it again in 3D on a massive screen.
Will see it in 2D, and also hoping to catch audio described and subtitled showings... because I am mad.
I've seen it three times - the first at That London with my mates John and Carlos, the second me and my missus (she freaking LOVED it) and the third time with my five mates and my dad. Of the third viewing six out of seven of us LOVED it, the other thought is was 'okay, better than that Batman shite.'
I reckon I'll go at least a couple more times...
Quote from: Pete Wells on 11 September, 2012, 05:25:06 PM
I've seen it three times - the first at That London with my mates John and Carlos
Show off, ;)
Are there any reports on how it did in Spain?
http://www.deltaworld.org/cinema/Tadeo-Jones-animation-Spanish-triumphed-at-the-box-office/ Am I right in saying that Dredd only managed 8th place in Spain??
Hmm. Looks that way.
Dredd comes out top on weekend when audiences prefer the sun to the screen
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true
My brother's based in Barcelona, so I've ordered him to go to the movies.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 11 September, 2012, 05:25:06 PM
I've seen it three times - the first at That London with my mates John and Carlos,
What about Wagner ;)
I don't know if anyone will thank me for bringing this up, but Dredd's opening weekend figures are more or less identical to Serenity's:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=serenity.htm
I mention Serenity as it was another really very good medium budget sci-fi film of recent vintage.
What we do not want is the similarity to extend to the US opening, or we're in big trouble.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 11 September, 2012, 07:02:40 PM
Dredd comes out top on weekend when audiences prefer the sun to the screen
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true
yeah, that's got a couple of sobering stats:
Quote" the gross was the lowest for a number-one film since the climax of Euro 2012 football, when successive weeks of virtually no major releases culminated with Ice Age 4: Continental Drift grabbing the top spot from its early rollout in Scotland, Ireland and Northern Ireland only."
QuoteThe Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, also 18 certificate, opened in the runner-up spot at the end of 2011 with £4.33m including £2.76m in previews. Even stripping out those significant preview takings, it achieved £1.57m over the three-day weekend, and one of those days was New Year's Eve, which is not a good day for cinema attendance.
Here's a funny comment
Quotehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true)
'I might watch Dredd, I'd much rather watch Dredd than the Sweeney, in fact I'd rather pulverise my penis with a steak hammer than watch a Nick Love film ever again.'
A number 1 is still a number 1..
Has any Nick Love film ever made money?
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 11 September, 2012, 08:09:09 PM
Here's a funny comment
Quotehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/11/dredd-audiences-sun-screen?newsfeed=true)
'I might watch Dredd, I'd much rather watch Dredd than the Sweeney, in fact I'd rather pulverise my penis with a steak hammer than watch a Nick Love film ever again.'
Signed`Danny`....
I hope this is the right place fo this, but here's a 'local' reaction article to the box office news:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7654416/Karl-Urban-tops-UK-box-office (http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7654416/Karl-Urban-tops-UK-box-office)
Quote from: QuickQuag on 11 September, 2012, 08:31:49 PM
I hope this is the right place fo this, but here's a 'local' reaction article to the box office news:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7654416/Karl-Urban-tops-UK-box-office (http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7654416/Karl-Urban-tops-UK-box-office)
Hehe, they do seem to think it's rated R18. If it was I'm sure it would contain a very different kind of action.
I've never really understood 'the Sun' thing being a problem - I mean , it does go down in the evening. Sure , maybe in broad daylight , most punters are enjoying the weather but what about , you know , later?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 11 September, 2012, 08:10:07 PMA number 1 is still a number 1..
Quite. That alone gives it more marketing clout and is getting the name out there. Could give it a decent stab at a second week and also a useful boost in the US.
Quote from: strontium71 on 11 September, 2012, 09:08:01 PMI've never really understood 'the Sun' thing being a problem - I mean , it does go down in the evening. Sure , maybe in broad daylight , most punters are enjoying the weather but what about , you know , later?
People go out during the day, spend money and get tired, thereby not wanting to do much else but flake out at home in a heap. Or maybe that's just me.
Just come out of my second viewing in a pretty packed screening at the Empire in Poole, half priced Tuesdays but still quite promising. Audience were into it as well, plenty of laughs at the relevant moments (some at the adverts at the beginning as well but we won't go into that!)
Thoroughly enjoyed it second time around, still missed Goaty and Joe Soaps moments of fame! (any pointers on that?) Only downside was my 3D glasses could've done with a wet wipe, third time lucky though eh!
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 11 September, 2012, 07:54:48 PM
I mention Serenity as it was another really very good medium budget sci-fi film of recent vintage.
What we do not want is the similarity to extend to the US opening, or we're in big trouble.
I'm not worried and this is why:
Dredd's different, everybody in Americay knows the Stallone film and has been expecting some dire colour-by-numbers contractual-obligation TV Movie, scraped from the bottom of the available franchise bin: these expectations ( that are in complete contrast with the avalanche of positive reviews ) --- give the film a "WTF?" factor which creates a buzz that a totally new film like 'Serenity' is just less likely to generate.
I may look like an idiot for saying it, but I'm sure it's going to do well: either way, in marketing terms, I reckon it's a totally different animal to 'Serenity'.
Quote from: Pioneer on 11 September, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Only downside was my 3D glasses could've done with a wet wipe
My, you DID get excited!! :-\
Pahahaha!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 September, 2012, 08:11:15 PM
Has any Nick Love film ever made money?
Not much that I can see. But even that is too much.
These are the only two movies opening on the same weekend as DREDD that might hurt it's performance
Here in the U.S.A.
Hose at the end of the Street. Stars Jennifer Lawrence ''Katniss'' from hunger games fame
And
End of watch, appears to be getting more advertising time here then DREDD.
While the box-office does get much attention these days, I'm sure the movie will do well on home video and on demand services as well. And plenty of movies that haven't had huge box office have gotten sequels off of those home video numbers, etc.
That said, I could see Dredd doing pretty well at the box office. I'm gonna guess... 60 mil.
Half page Metro ad today with the banner "THE UK'S NUMBER 1 FILM" plus some pretty eyecatching review quotes (AWESOME, 10/10 etc.)
I did my duty and turned every Metro on the carriage to that page before leaving the train.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 12 September, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
I did my duty and turned every Metro on the carriage to that page before leaving the train.
EVERYONE, DO THAT ON EVERY BUS, TRAIN, PLACES!
Excellent idea!
When I was in the UK last Friday, I was shocked and horrified that I saw only two posters for "Dredd" in all of central and western London, and I would have missed those if didn't specifically look. Poster for the "Lawless" and "The Sweeny" were by contrast all over the place. The distributor only have themselves to blame for the poor showing during the opening weekend, but hopefully, word of mouth will keep the movie afloat a while longer.
Does anyone have any daily numbers for Monday and Tuesday? Any indication of it picking up steam and gaining viewers? Fingers crossed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19541737
Lets hope Dredd can bust the slump. It does say its partly down to shit films which might help it as we know its awesome.
Quote from: norse_sage on 12 September, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
The distributor only have themselves to blame for the poor showing during the opening weekend
Can they control the weather? Dredd has been as heavily promoted as any other 18-rated movie I can recall: theatrical trailers; TV ads; newspaper ads; billboards...
Add in (almost) universally good reviews, ongoing fantastic word of mouth on Twitter, and I'm wondering what more they were supposed to do, beyond rounding people up at gunpoint and herding them into cinemas.
Sometimes (as the mention of Serenity upthread has reminded me) being an excellent film with great reviews just isn't enough. Sometimes, people just
won't go and see the fucking thing.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 September, 2012, 09:45:39 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19541737
Lets hope Dredd can bust the slump. It does say its partly down to shit films which might help it as we know its awesome.
Wow, those numbers are pretty frightening. Expendables 2 only made 4 million in a month? In the US? The Tom Jane Punisher movie made about 20-30 and was considered a devastating flop. Stallone and his mob must have lost a lot of money there.
@Jim: And both films have an albatross in the US. Serenity had the problem of people assuming you needed to have watched Firefly first; Dredd has the 1995 movie. Still, who knows? I doubt Dredd will be a smash-hit in the USA, but I do hope it manages to make back its budget (including marketing).
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 12 September, 2012, 10:12:01 AM
Wow, those numbers are pretty frightening. Expendables 2 only made 4 million in a month? In the US? The Tom Jane Punisher movie made about 20-30 and was considered a devastating flop. Stallone and his mob must have lost a lot of money there.
I think it means it made 4 million dollars this weekend after being in the cinemas a month. People in Hollywood would be jumping off bridges otherwise
Jim is right, I'm afraid.
I LIVE in London and there are four huge billboards within a mile of my flat, and those are just the ones I have seen. I've seen newspaper ads and TV ads - overall I've seen far more promotion and pre-publicity for Dredd than, say, Total Recall or Looper.
Maybe it's just too much of an uphill struggle to get people to give the film (and the brand, still suffering from Stallone toxicity) a chance? For every positive Tweet about the movie, there are more reacting with disbelief - "Dredd is good? Wtf?!?!?". The negative buzz that has hung around this film since day one may just be too much to overcome, however unwarranted it is.
I was expressing these doubts as we left the (quiet) cinema last night, and my girlfriend just said "A film that good won't flop", and suggested that maybe it'll find it's audience on DVD.
And I'm pretty sure Dredd would have taken double what it did were it not for the weather.
I mean, even Serenity must have turned a profit by now, right?
Unfortunately not so much on the promo front here (Ireland) in terms of billboards etc...at least not from what I've seen.
In fact, both cinemas I've been to so far didn't even have any standees or one sheets on display...disappointing, but that's just my experience maybe others have seen something.
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 September, 2012, 10:18:41 AMI think it means it made 4 million dollars this weekend after being in the cinemas a month. People in Hollywood would be jumping off bridges otherwise
Tony Scott says hi! :o
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 10:20:53 AM
For every positive Tweet about the movie, there are more reacting with disbelief - "Dredd is good? Wtf?!?!?". The negative buzz that has hung around this film since day one may just be too much to overcome, however unwarranted it is.
But with the WTF usually comes a 'must see if it's true' kinda comment. So, not so bad an outlook.
I'm not so worried about box office anymore, since twitter, because it looks to me regardless of what paid publicity is out there, the best publicity is the free word-of-mouth kind and twitter is taking care of that amazingly well.
Hopefully the buzz lasts to catch it opening worldwide.
Quote from: Hairwolf on 12 September, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Unfortunately not so much on the promo front here (Ireland) in terms of billboards etc...
Yet to see a billboard or poster, and it's not even on in my local multiplex...
Mind you, I've yet to wriggle free of commitments long enough to actually see
Dredd yet, so I'm hardly helping the cause.
Quite surprised that I've only seen four billboards/banners for DREDD in London.
One billboard in Wood Green (now replaced); one just opposite Lambeth North tube station (good spot); poster and banner outside Empire cinema at Leicester Square of course.
I don't even know if there have been tube adverts? (Must say, back in 95 I was impressed with the tube posters from 'that' film.) Now I think of it, are there that many film adverts on the tube?
Come on guys 'n' gals, this is the internet age. Look how many people are posting on this site. If everyone with a non country specific email address i.e. .com and not .co.uk etc, sent an email to all the entertainment pages/ editors of the main national newspapers in the countries that Dredd 3D has not yet opened in, asking when the opening date is going to be, or when they are going to add a review, then bigger the number of enquires the greater the interest these papers will pay to Dredd 3D to see what's going on. Then hopefully it will get more international exposure, which in turn may boost bums on seats around the world. While you're at it get your work mates etc to do the same. Before you know it we may well have a whole series of films. If Dredd does well this time round we could see other 2000AD characters on the big screen in the future. If you shout loud enough in the right places then ears will prick up and people will listen.
Spain box-office
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/spain/?yr=2012&wk=36&p=.htm
(http://www.pori.tut.fi/~maja/scorchio.jpg)
Scorchio!!
My plan to help the box office is:
Go see it with my little brother - acheived.
Take Mrs Tips up the Odeon on Friday.
Take Princess Tips to see it at some point next week.
Take Prince Tips to see it at some point next week.
That way I'll have dragged four other people to see it and seen it four times myself.
That should help the Box Office.
I don't have any mates otherwise I'd ask them too.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 September, 2012, 12:31:08 PM
Take Mrs Tips up the Odeon on Friday. :o
She likes that, well she does when I do it ;)
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 September, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
Spain box-office
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/spain/?yr=2012&wk=36&p=.htm
That's...not good.
Quote from: norse_sage on 12 September, 2012, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 September, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
Spain box-office
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/spain/?yr=2012&wk=36&p=.htm
That's...not good.
Isn't it ? Almost 1/2 a million dollars in the opening weekend of what I assume is not a key demographic sounds pretty good to me.
Is 3D really a box office asset for an 18 certificate? It's hard to find many, and most adults I know simply don't like it. Seems like it's limiting its audience to have so few 2D screenings in the UK. Personally, I don't feel I've actually watched it since I was so distracted by it (not in a good way), and can only wait for the DVD to give it my full attention.
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 12 September, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Is 3D really a box office asset for an 18 certificate?
Maybe not but 3D was a main selling point in getting the film funded.
If Dredd doesn't make more money than Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter I'm officially giving up on the human race.
QuoteIs 3D really a box office asset for an 18 certificate? It's hard to find many, and most adults I know simply don't like it. Seems like it's limiting its audience to have so few 2D screenings in the UK. Personally, I don't feel I've actually watched it since I was so distracted by it (not in a good way), and can only wait for the DVD to give it my full attention.
I saw it again last night in a Vue Xtreme (basically a state of the art, massive 3d screen) and was blown away. It looked ten times better than the two other times I've seen the film; really crisp, solid and sharply detailed, and the 3d (despite the odd bit of ghosting and noise) blew me away. Was a bit pricey, but I'd recommend seeing it this way if you can. Probably best use of 3d I've seen in a film. I think like most things 3d has a bad rep because it's so often set up/exhibited very poorly by incompetent staff. It wouldn't surprise me to find that the majority of 3d cinema screenings are wrongly calibrated, because the effect tends to usually be so flat and underwhelming.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
If Dredd doesn't make more money than Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter I'm officially giving up on the human race.
If
the Sweeney makes more this week it's officially the end of the world.
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 September, 2012, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Hairwolf on 12 September, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Unfortunately not so much on the promo front here (Ireland) in terms of billboards etc...
Yet to see a billboard or poster, and it's not even on in my local multiplex...
Mind you, I've yet to wriggle free of commitments long enough to actually see Dredd yet, so I'm hardly helping the cause.
Part of the problem is that some chains and theatres don't deal with Entertainment Films (IMC) or have had disputes with them over costs (Savoy) which may cause big problems for
the Hobbit since it's the same distributor but I've not seen one poster for Dredd in Dublin.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
If Dredd doesn't make more money than Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter I'm officially giving up on the human race.
QuoteIs 3D really a box office asset for an 18 certificate? It's hard to find many, and most adults I know simply don't like it. Seems like it's limiting its audience to have so few 2D screenings in the UK. Personally, I don't feel I've actually watched it since I was so distracted by it (not in a good way), and can only wait for the DVD to give it my full attention.
I saw it again .. the 3d (despite the odd bit of ghosting and noise) blew me away. Was a bit pricey, but I'd recommend seeing it this way if you can. Probably best use of 3d I've seen in a film.
This ^
Quote from: CraveNoir on 12 September, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
Spain box-office
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/spain/?yr=2012&wk=36&p=.htm
I'm in Madrid just now and there was no sign of Dredd in either of the two cinemas I saw. They were in city centre though and showing foreign (local) films so he must be doing his stuff in the multi-plexes. Photo opportunity lost!
Dredd hits #4 in the Irish Box Office.
http://www.thisisirishfilm.ie/box_office/
Would have expected a better position seeing as Judge Dredd is a well known character. :(
Lawless doing twice as much business in the first weekend as well.
I blame the lack of advertising in Ireland. Didn't see too many adverts bar a few on tv. The heavy advertising in the UK made the difference in getting it to #1.
Also blame the fact that some chains won't deal with Entertainment Film, not even the Savoy.
I know we want the movie to do well, and worrying about the box office makes sense, but looking for explanations and whatnot is always nebulous. Most films, genre films like sci-fi flicks without blockbuster budgets and marketing, just don't do crazy well at the box office.
Plus, Kevin Smith was talking a lot about this, how now more than ever with the net people are always talking about the numbers and worrying about them, when this is just a small window in the film's life. Theater attendance is down in general, so home video is arguably just as big or a bigger deal.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 12 September, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
I know we want the movie to do well, and worrying about the box office makes sense, but looking for explanations and whatnot is always nebulous. Most films, genre films like sci-fi flicks without blockbuster budgets and marketing, just don't do crazy well at the box office.
Plus, Kevin Smith was talking a lot about this, how now more than ever with the net people are always talking about the numbers and worrying about them, when this is just a small window in the film's life. Theater attendance is down in general, so home video is arguably just as big or a bigger deal.
But its been stated that sequels are directly dependant on box office. That's the only reason why. Dredd may well have a 'long tail' and rake it in on DVD/BR but if its past the window for a sequel so what. Films don't get a sequel based on dvd/br sales / rental or at least not sequels starring the same cast with a similar budget. Like Urban said, at least we have a kick ass film either way, and should be more than chuffed with that. It's just we'd like to see more.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2012, 04:21:31 PM
Also blame the fact that some chains won't deal with Entertainment Film, not even the Savoy.
Yup I'd noticed when I went looking to book tickets thin king to go to the savoy for old time's sake the movie wasn't even listed...a shame, we're a small enough box office i guess, but pity it's not going to get the chance of maximum exposure here.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
I saw it again last night in a Vue Xtreme (basically a state of the art, massive 3d screen) and was blown away. It looked ten times better than the two other times I've seen the film; really crisp, solid and sharply detailed, and the 3d (despite the odd bit of ghosting and noise) blew me away. Was a bit pricey, but I'd recommend seeing it this way if you can
Not for me: I can't even wear my own prescription glasses or sunglasses for more than a short period without feeling nauseous: I'm just sensitive to any kind of lens except contact lenses.
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 September, 2012, 01:13:23 PM...what I assume is not a key demographic...
But the man looks like a Spanish pirate!
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 September, 2012, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 September, 2012, 01:13:23 PM...what I assume is not a key demographic...
But the man looks like a Spanish pirate!
"What If? Dredd was a Spanish Pirate", I'd read the hell out of that. :D
I've tried my very best to get people from work to go see it, I really have, but no one seems very interested. Seems like anyone showing the slightest interest is waiting for the blu ray. Although a lot of them did go and see DKR. Odd really. To be honest it does wind you up a bit when people can be so dismissive because of the old film. Although no one mentioned it looked like The Raid!
It's weird- outside of fandom and this board, most people i ever mention the stallone movie to say they enjoy it. Yes, they refer to it as (grud help me, i hate this expression) "cheese", but that's also how they see Predator, Robocop and basically any genre movie not made in the last five years. There's a lot of affection for "mr eye! yam! de leurgh!" out there, and i confess i feel that too. Ive never had a problem with it.
SBT
Saw it again tonight with my older brother and....
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PACKED!! :D :D
I'd say about 40 at the Odeon in Cardiff.. Which includes a bloke who got all shirty about being in my seat..
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 September, 2012, 10:28:57 PM
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PACKED!! :D :D
Would that be because of the Orange Wednesday? Does that still apply to 3D films?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 September, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
I'd say about 40 at the Odeon in Cardiff.. Which includes a bloke who got all shirty about being in my seat..
Standard Execution round?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 September, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
I'd say about 40 at the Odeon in Cardiff.. Which includes a bloke who got all shirty about being in my seat..
Did you tell him you made the Lawgivers.
Quote from: Light Surfer on 12 September, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 September, 2012, 10:28:57 PM
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PACKED!! :D :D
Would that be because of the Orange Wednesday? Does that still apply to 3D films?
It does.Orange Wednesdays are popular -glad they chose Dredd though.
Can someone who understands Twitter better than me explain why do many people are tweeting:
'I'm watching Dredd (347 others checked-in) http://t.co/fImYcRU1 #GetGlueHD #Dredd'
Or variations thereof. What does it mean?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
Did you tell him you made the Lawgivers.
Didn't have to. I was handing out fliers at my book signing outside the theatre.
Pretty busy in Odeon Wimbledon - probably about 75/80% full out of 376 seats.
Also lost my iphone, which was luckily handed in to the manager straight away... wouldn't have happened in Lawless.
And we got a trailer for Taken 2 with Liam Neeson basically threatening film pirates. I wish they'd done a Dredd version.
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 September, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
And we got a trailer for Taken 2 with Liam Neeson basically threatening film pirates. I wish they'd done a Dredd version.
Write that down.
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 September, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
And we got a trailer for Taken 2 with Liam Neeson basically threatening film pirates. I wish they'd done a Dredd version.
Aaaah, so that's what it was? I thought he was just threatening the audience in general (didn't really pay attention).
But yeah, a Dredd version may been nice. Or it could wrecked the character if done improperly.
Blah! >8O
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 September, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
Pretty busy in Odeon Wimbledon - probably about 75/80% full out of 376 seats.
Also lost my iphone, which was luckily handed in to the manager straight away... wouldn't have happened in Lawless.
The baseball cap-with-ironing-board-flat-peak kind of crowd?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 12 September, 2012, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 September, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
Pretty busy in Odeon Wimbledon - probably about 75/80% full out of 376 seats.
Also lost my iphone, which was luckily handed in to the manager straight away... wouldn't have happened in Lawless.
The baseball cap-with-ironing-board-flat-peak kind of crowd?
That's probably the Sweeney lot...
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 12 September, 2012, 10:12:05 PM
It's weird- outside of fandom and this board, most people i ever mention the stallone movie to say they enjoy it. Yes, they refer to it as (grud help me, i hate this expression) "cheese", but that's also how they see Predator, Robocop and basically any genre movie not made in the last five years. There's a lot of affection for "mr eye! yam! de leurgh!" out there, and i confess i feel that too. Ive never had a problem with it.
SBT
Predator and Robocop had bread and butter as well as cheese. Judge Dredd '95 only had the one ingredient.
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
Can someone who understands Twitter better than me explain why do many people are tweeting:
'I'm watching Dredd (347 others checked-in) http://t.co/fImYcRU1 #GetGlueHD #Dredd'
Or variations thereof. What does it mean?
Some kind of ipad app reviewing films.
Maybe they get a discount on Dredd if they tweet it?
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 12 September, 2012, 11:28:56 PMPredator and Robocop had bread and butter as well as cheese. Judge Dredd '95 only had the one ingredient.
Though as George Costanza tells us, sometimes eating a block of cheese is living the dream.
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 September, 2012, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
Can someone who understands Twitter better than me explain why do many people are tweeting:
'I'm watching Dredd (347 others checked-in) http://t.co/fImYcRU1 #GetGlueHD #Dredd'
Or variations thereof. What does it mean?
Some kind of ipad app reviewing films.
Maybe they get a discount on Dredd if they tweet it?
Oh right. Cheers.
I like Twitter, but its annoying.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 12 September, 2012, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 12 September, 2012, 11:28:56 PMPredator and Robocop had bread and butter as well as cheese. Judge Dredd '95 only had the one ingredient.
Though as George Costanza tells us, sometimes eating a block of cheese is living the dream.
Sure, but Predator had crunchy bits of bacon, too.
on bbc WEBsite
UK & IRELAND BOX OFFICE TOP FIVE
1 Dredd- £1,049,345
2 Lawless - £973,234
3 Anna Karenina - £875,702
4 Total Recall - £675,280
5 Brave - £649,057
Went to see Dredd again on WEd night... Thats my 5TH time. Going to give it a rest feel my eyes going strange :o
CINEMA had about 65- 70 perps vue multi omni (20:30 showing)
just came from a sneak peek in san francisco, and the whole cinema was cheering/laughing through the whole thing in equal amounts. 17/17 of the people I went with loved the film, and only 4 or 5 of us had ever even read a Judge Dredd comic before so that bodes very well for word of mouth here in the states... i'll be going again opening night!
Nice,really hope you Yanks like it so we get another film or six.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 08:31:29 AM
Nice,really hope you Yanks like it so we get another film or six.
me too!
my friend said he wants lionsgate to copy their "Saw" movie model and make a new one every year. I agree!
Quote from: karl on 13 September, 2012, 08:11:30 AM
just came from a sneak peek in san francisco, and the whole cinema was cheering/laughing through the whole thing in equal amounts. 17/17 of the people I went with loved the film, and only 4 or 5 of us had ever even read a Judge Dredd comic before so that bodes very well for word of mouth here in the states... i'll be going again opening night!
Good man thats what we like to hear :thumbsup:
Quote from: junox on 13 September, 2012, 07:23:10 AM
on bbc WEBsite
UK & IRELAND BOX OFFICE TOP FIVE
1 Dredd- £1,049,345
2 Lawless - £973,234
3 Anna Karenina - £875,702
4 Total Recall - £675,280
5 Brave - £649,057
Went to see Dredd again on WEd night... Thats my 5TH time. Going to give it a rest feel my eyes going strange :o
CINEMA had about 65- 70 perps vue multi omni (20:30 showing)
Well played sir im going for my second viewing tomorrow cant wait im going after your record of 5 views so far haha :D
Here's a useful link with loads of stats;
http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18144/UK-Box-Office-7
Quote from: FoldsFive on 13 September, 2012, 10:12:57 AM
Here's a useful link with loads of stats;
http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18144/UK-Box-Office-7
That's really interesting, especially the number of cinemas the films are released in. Looks like the 3D prices might have helped pip Lawless but in Anna Karenina's case, not likely an issue.
So Dredd might not be reaching a massive audience, but it's very interesting to observe the amount of people on Twitter saying they want to see it AGAIN after having seen it.
Of the group I took to see it on Sunday, one said he'd happily watch it again and another (who i thought at the time was only lukewarm on the film) said he plans to see it again, this time in 2D.
My girlfriend loved it so much she said last night that she want to go again, and is even thinking about getting a group of her mates together to go - and she NEVER does this.
It might have legs.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 13 September, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
...but in Anna Karenina's case, not likely an issue.
Probably because it's a pretentious costume snooze-fest..
I'd be interested to see what the division between 2D and 3D is with the distributor who snagged the 2D prints (Cineworld?)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 September, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: radiator on 12 September, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
If Dredd doesn't make more money than Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter I'm officially giving up on the human race.
If the Sweeney makes more this week it's officially the end of the world.
heard a couple of interviews with Ray Winstone, even he seemed unimpressed with the Sweeny, mentioning 'paying the bills' and such, I've said it before but Isay it again I do think this Dredd film will be a grower and in time will be up there with Bladerunner as a classic gamechanger.
It's entirely possible that The Sweeney will top Dredd's UK take (there's a lot of idiots out there) but The Sweeney won't do shit outside the UK, and Dredd is building some real buzz stateside.
I think The Sweeney's more a DVD film, like all of Mr Love's oeuvre.
Lionsgate are doing a lot of pushing over there, so much so most of the publicity we saw in the UK was theirs not Entertainment Films'
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
It might have legs.
It might take more this weekend than last. I know that's not how these things are supposed to work, but I think it's possible given the
very low attendence last week, the word of mouth, and the amount of tweets about seeing it again.
Paranorman will surely take first place, but there's no reason why DREDD can't be a solid second, ahead of The Sweeney.
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
Maybe they realise they got shit films out this weekend?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 September, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
I think The Sweeney's more a DVD film, like all of Mr Love's oeuvre.
I have seen the trailer for the sweeney and it looks crap i mean i really like ray winstone but when i seen plan b i burst out laughing and the laughter didnt stop there have a look at the poster for that movie i mean come on you have got plan whatever he wants to be called with a gun resting on his shoulder trying to look hard haha ray winstone kinda can get away with looking tough look its like this anyone who is thinking about going to see this needs to come to their senses and pay to see DREDD and if you have seen it already then see it again there`s only room for 1 badass cop on the big screen this summer and his name is ds carter aha just kidding its DREDD :thumbsup:
Quote from: Goaty on 13 September, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
Maybe they realise they got shit films out this weekend?
That sounds to me like they're getting more people in than expected, maybe the weekday numbers really have picked up in comparison to the weekend?
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 13 September, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 13 September, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
Maybe they realise they got shit films out this weekend?
That sounds to me like they're getting more people in than expected, maybe the weekday numbers really have picked up in comparison to the weekend?
or was it during to screening overbooked?
When I saw it on friday the 7th there were 6 people in a 300 seater screen. When I saw it on last saturday there were 40. It certainly seems as though it's picking up momentum, but it might be too late in places, my local Odeon has now moved it to the smallest screen in the cinema, a measly 100 seater.
QuoteQuote from: DanboJohnJ on Today at 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
My local Cineworld in Hammersmith has scrapped all morning and afternoon showings as of tomorrow to one performance a night at 9pm.
Bad sign...?
Few people watch 18 rated films in the morning or the afternoon.
Good point. Its also a small cinema with only one 3D screen which I suspect they will be using for Paranorman!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 September, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
I think The Sweeney's more a DVD film, like all of Mr Love's oeuvre.
but does your local show that goddawful Orange sweeney ad? That'll be polluting screens for every film for the next few months.
Better than the cringeworthy Expendables Orange ad, which was blatantly filmed in two completely seperate places. At least the Sweeny one has some ELO in it. :D
the Expendables one did make me chuckle (the first time) but the sweeeny one is eyeball-gougingly horrible full stop..
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 13 September, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
My Vue local has changed the times,earlier showings and more of them.
Good sign...?
Can't be bad? I'm off tommorrow so I will report back although it's the 1.30 showing I don't expect there to be that many folk.
F*ck it - we've decided to go again at the weekend. I can't remember the last time I wathced a film twice at the cinema, I really can't. Man I love this film!
Has it made up for the disappointment of Prometheus Matt?
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 September, 2012, 03:22:34 PM
but does your local show that goddawful Orange sweeney ad? That'll be polluting screens for every film for the next few months.
We don't get d'Orange ads.
Quote from: radiator on 13 September, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
Has it made up for the disappointment of Prometheus Matt?
Actually, yeah! ;)
I havent gone to the same movie twice in the cinema in about ten years either....but definitely going to catch this again. It really is that good!
Just out of curiosity, but if £1,000,000 is a poor taking for a number one position after three days, what would be a good number after another week? Really hope it has picked up and holds on to the number one position.
I work part time as a projectionist (our cinema didn't get Dredd unfortunately) and we have Anna Karenina showing. It is has been almost full both nights I have been in which is worrying. Though we can only fit in 150 I think, so maybe not the best representation of how it's doing.
Odeon Liverpool One looks just as strong as last week, in terms of showings. Til next Thursday it's 5 to 6 a day in the normal screen and 3 to 5 in the gallery.
I'm not sure which part of next week I'll see it for the second time but Jurassic Park was the last I did that with.
Is Looper being hyped in the UK? cause it's being INSANELY hyped over here and comes out the weekend after Dredd... it's a mid-budget sci-fi action movie, as well, so I'm hoping it doesn't steal the spotlight...
Quote from: karl on 14 September, 2012, 07:40:02 AM
Is Looper being hyped in the UK? cause it's being INSANELY hyped over here and comes out the weekend after Dredd... it's a mid-budget sci-fi action movie, as well, so I'm hoping it doesn't steal the spotlight...
Stupid lack of edit! By "here" I mean the USA.
Some trailers but haven't seen any print ads yet.
Not really,bits and bobs.JGL's chin looks funny so I'm not going to bother.
Is that that one about the man who has to kill bruce willis in a field, but he escapes? Trailer playing before dredd here, but looks boring. Probably not aimed at me- i got the impression it's targeted at kids.
SBT
Thats it,looks average but will probably make half a billion >:(
Got to admit, I'm looking forward to Looper. It's the writer/director of Brick and has a pretty cool concept. Add in JGL and I'm sold. Not so much that I would go and see it over Dredd, but I can very easily see why nonscrots would.
Im so far removed from the cutting edge of cinema these days, i have no idea what 'brick' is, or 'jgl'. The next movies i shall go to the cinema to see will be paranorman and texas chainsaw 3D, after my unexpected third and final visit to dredd tonight with a lapsed squaxx friend.
SBT
JGL - Joseph Gordon Levitt, and Brick was a movie he was in done by the same writer/director of Looper.
I'm looking forward to it too. Like both Willis and Levitt and Brick was so different and interesting, keen to see what this means for Looper. It's got good hype from people who've seen it, and on Rotten Tomatoes.
Having said that, I hardly ever make it to the cinema - and Dredd's the first one I've ever done on opening day - and this is likely to be one I save for later, for Prince Charles cinema. Or dvd.
I'll be going to see Looper, though I've heard mixed things about it. I always found JGL annoying - just saw him as the kid from third rock, but he was great in inception and TDKR.
Looper is more the 'District 9' of this year and will do very well.
Really? If anything I'd say Dredd was the District 9 of this year. Anything with Bruce 'Where's my hair gone?' Willis cannot possibly be considered as a 'minor' film. Add in JGL, who seems headed for maximum stardom, and it gets even bigger.
I did see pre-Dredd trailer but that's it. I'll almost certainly wait for the DVD. Though like has been said, it will make half a quadrillion pounds...or something.
Looper has been pretty much the film with constant positive indie buzz and anticipation since it was first announced whereas Dredd has been a surprise to many outside this forum. Dredd shares some production values with District 9 but like D9, Looper has more the clear-cut, sci-fi crossover appeal a mass audience goes for.
Yeah got to admit Looper looks pretty good. I think Looper will steal Dredd's thunder but hopefully it can hang on at number 2 and still make enough clams for a sequel.
Ian Sandwell @ian_sandwell
#AnnaKarenina adds over £1m Mon-Thurs for £1.91m to date; #Dredd adds £900k for £1.96m; #TheImposter £60k away from £1m after three weeks.
http://twitter.com/ian_sandwell
Is that decent? Looks quite healthy to me for weekdays, but I don't really know what's normal!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 14 September, 2012, 03:30:25 PM
Is that decent? Looks quite healthy to me for weekdays, but I don't really know what's normal!
I think so?What is that?Monday-Thursday?
It's weekday earnings.
I would say if Dredd ends up pulling 3- 3.5 that would be pretty good, wouldn't it? Or am I way off what's considered good for a UK box office?
Still got the weekend though, hopefully it will break 2 million.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 14 September, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
Still got the weekend though, hopefully it will break 2 million.
It's hit £1.91m already
It'll hit £2m based on board members trips alone.
1.96m and £10.80 I bought a ticket earlier
Read this on IMDB (Posted by infodogg)
The industry boffins operate with the following ratios: weekend dates generate, on average, 4.3 times the revenue of a non-weekend date. For purposes of this discussion, the weekend consists of Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
That means that on the 4 days Mon to Thur it brought in only slightly less when it should have brought in a quarter to a third of its weekend revenue. If the numbers for Spain are also correct, it means the film generated MORE ticket sales during the week than at the weekend.
Interesting, does this take into account offers such as Cheap Tuesdays and Orange Wednesdays? Might also show the effect the word of mouth is having, it's taken a week for the initial batch of viewers to pass the message on and for the second batch to start arriving.
The difference is the weather, I guess. Here's hoping for a weekend take equal to (or whisper it) more than last weekends... Going by the buzz on Twitter you think dredd is making Avatar money.
I suppose the weather doesn't really explain the low takings in Spain though....
Hmm.
Thanks ChufsterUK, that's really encouraging. Maybe it will have a bigger 2nd weekend then, and if the word of mouth is working here then hopefully thanks to the internet some of that buzz will spread to the US opening weekend (I've been sure to post my ravings about it on american sites talking about it).
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 14 September, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Thanks ChufsterUK, that's really encouraging. Maybe it will have a bigger 2nd weekend then, and if the word of mouth is working here then hopefully thanks to the internet some of that buzz will spread to the US opening weekend (I've been sure to post my ravings about it on american sites talking about it).
We could well have a, (predicted by some), genuine `sleeper`on our hands. :)
It took me a couple of days but I finally managed to spot a cinema showing Dredd in Madrid - I imagine 'Salon 7' is their best screen. Alas it was shut when I found it but I'm sure the amigos were lapping it up. On a positive note the 'Looky Looky' men had several new releases but no 'Dredd' - he is the law after all.
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I know it's not cast in stone , but assuming that there will be a sequel , how soon do you reckon it will be announced? Will it be not even mentioned for at least a year or will they strike as soon as the box office numbers come pouring in?
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:30:32 PM
I know it's not cast in stone , but assuming that there will be a sequel , how soon do you reckon it will be announced? Will it be not even mentioned for at least a year or will they strike as soon as the box office numbers come pouring in?
I'm announcing it, unofficially, right now. That means they have to do it, it's been announced now.
The site will be taken down.
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:30:32 PM
I know it's not cast in stone , but assuming that there will be a sequel , how soon do you reckon it will be announced? Will it be not even mentioned for at least a year or will they strike as soon as the box office numbers come pouring in?
I predict a Kick-ass 2 scenario where it doesn't get announced for like a year. But I firmly believe a sequel will happen, Lionsgate made sequels to Punisher and Silent Hill for grud's sake!
Would Urban and Furby have signed on for at least 2 films? Is that standard practice so they're committed in case of a sequel?
Quote from: karl on 14 September, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:30:32 PM
I know it's not cast in stone , but assuming that there will be a sequel , how soon do you reckon it will be announced? Will it be not even mentioned for at least a year or will they strike as soon as the box office numbers come pouring in?
I predict a Kick-ass 2 scenario where it doesn't get announced for like a year. But I firmly believe a sequel will happen, Lionsgate made sequels to Punisher and Silent Hill for grud's sake!
True, Punisher was deemed a flop and got a sequel purely based on dvd/blu-ray numbers supposedly.
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I know it's childish but I did laugh when I saw "ejecutor". :lol:
We'll know Dredd's a success when there's a puntastic porno cash-in.
$45 million to break even (excluding marketing costs), double to treble that for a sequel at least, I'd guess..
Dredd's made over three million dollars already just from UK box office and I think it will do well this week here too. Surely all the positive buzz and quality reviews will count for something in the U.S. (remains optimistic) :-*
Does it need 50 million Dollars or pounds?
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Would Urban and Furby have signed on for at least 2 films? Is that standard practice so they're committed in case of a sequel?
I think so , both Karl Urban and Olivia
Thirlby want to be in any sequels anyway.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 September, 2012, 09:11:28 PM
Does it need 50 million Dollars or pounds?
Sigh There's a stickied thread at the top of this very section of the forum where Alex-frickin'-Garland answers this exact question (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36741.msg701603.html#msg701603): the
minimum requirement is $50M at the US box office to make a sequel
possible. Not certain, not likely,
possible. Without that level of interest in the States, then all the DVD/Blu-Ray sales in the world won't land the project a US distributor, and without that, no sequel. Which isn't to say that $50M guarantees a sequel, just that unless the film does at least that kind of business, there's no chance.
And, to be clear, that's a pretty tall order for this kind of movie.
Cheers
Jim
A work colleague told me today that it had made over 200 million pounds at the box office and a sequel was already greenlit. I just nodded politely, while inwardly wondering why people just sometimes make things up.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 14 September, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
$45 million to break even (excluding marketing costs), double to treble that for a sequel at least, I'd guess..
will they count DVD release in that? if so it has a chance i reckon.
oops, that's been answered above.
ah so it needs to go gangbusters in the states or this will be it.. Well at least , if it is to be the only one, it is evidently a good one.
It's going to do much better than expected, and as far as subsequent domestic formats are concerned, it shall reap; it's a film that, needs to be in: action film aficionados collections, sci-fi aficionados collections and comic-book-movie aficionados collections; so there's three strains of completists to exploit. In each of these genres, it is a classic and a milestone.
The film screams out for a sequel: not because it ends with a cliff-hanger, but because it whets the appetite: a one-eyed budgie with a squint could see that there's more to this character... and after box-office-opening weekend reciepts are counted, that interest will only grow. Highlander didn't do that great in the cinema and spawned two more films and a tv series: Mad Max three was out at the same time and did very well on tickets but that was the end of that.
Honestly I have no doubt Dredd will continue in one form or another, my only fretting at the moment is what form it will take. The budget-halving, that happened with every instalment of Planet of The Apes series of films, being my ultimate nightmare scenario.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 September, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 14 September, 2012, 09:11:28 PM
Does it need 50 million Dollars or pounds?
Sigh There's a stickied thread at the top of this very section of the forum where Alex-frickin'-Garland answers this exact question (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36741.msg701603.html#msg701603): the minimum requirement is $50M at the US box office to make a sequel possible. Not certain, not likely, possible. Without that level of interest in the States, then all the DVD/Blu-Ray sales in the world won't land the project a US distributor, and without that, no sequel. Which isn't to say that $50M guarantees a sequel, just that unless the film does at least that kind of business, there's no chance.
And, to be clear, that's a pretty tall order for this kind of movie.
Cheers
Jim
Sorry :-[
Quote from: darnmarr on 14 September, 2012, 11:36:17 PM
Honestly I have no doubt Dredd will continue in one form or another, my only fretting at the moment is what form it will take. The budget-halving, that happened with every instalment of Planet of The Apes series of films, being my ultimate nightmare scenario.
I have the feeling there'll only be a
continuance if the budget is sufficient, at least with the current crew; and let's face it, it wouldn't be a part without them.
party
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 14 September, 2012, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Would Urban and Furby have signed on for at least 2 films? Is that standard practice so they're committed in case of a sequel?
I think so , both Karl Urban and Olivia Thirlby want to be in any sequels anyway.
I know it's Thirlby - I call her Furby ::)
Twenty-six in the 9pm showing tonight- Dredd has moved upstairs to a bigger screen that has fewer seats, which i dont understand, but hey. My mate thought it was okay- like me, he's no fan of shooty films, so responded more to the bits that reminded him of the comic. Sadly there wasnt enough of that, he said, and it was all way too contemporary. But Kark Urban got it spot on, he agreed. We both reckon the trailer for 'killing me softly' (is it called that? Brad pitt thing) may be the single worst trailer ever in the history of cinema.
SBT
Quote from: strontium71 on 14 September, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Would Urban and Furby have signed on for at least 2 films? Is that standard practice so they're committed in case of a sequel?
I'm pretty sure three is the general standard but it's obviously not set in stone or anything.
The Lionsgate deal was for 3 films depending on success.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 15 September, 2012, 12:48:12 AM
Twenty-six in the 9pm showing tonight- Dredd has moved upstairs to a bigger screen that has fewer seats, which i dont understand, but hey. My mate thought it was okay- like me, he's no fan of shooty films, so responded more to the bits that reminded him of the comic. Sadly there wasnt enough of that, he said, and it was all way too contemporary. But Kark Urban got it spot on, he agreed. We both reckon the trailer for 'killing me softly' (is it called that? Brad pitt thing) may be the single worst trailer ever in the history of cinema.
SBT
The bit with the car made me laugh the first time mind you, although it's wearing thin now. The worst trailer I've been getting beforehand is Paranormal Activity 7 (or thereabouts) which just looks appalling.
Quote from: Cactus on 14 September, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Buttonman on 14 September, 2012, 06:09:38 PM(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/button71/2012-09-11002.jpg)
I know it's childish but I did laugh when I saw "ejecutor". :lol:
We'll know Dredd's a success when there's a puntastic porno cash-in.
what judge head haha :lol:
seen DREDD for the second time yesterday fantastic cant wait now for the bluray to come out speaking of which does anyone have a rough idea when that would be :)
Quote from: hazy efc on 15 September, 2012, 08:47:19 AM
seen DREDD for the second time yesterday fantastic cant wait now for the bluray to come out speaking of which does anyone have a rough idea when that would be :)
No but given the short timescale in which they get released these days I would not be at all surprised to see a November or early December release - in time to make it onto people's Christmas shopping lists, in other words.
...Or they may take the slightly sneakier approach which is also common these days and bring out the DVD in time for Christmas, delaying the Blu-ray until 2013 in the hope that people will end up buying it twice.
I'd put money on the Blu-Ray/DVD arriving early February, unless it bombs hard then it'd be pre-Xmas.
It would be a shame if this were allowed to bomb. I would hold the people of Earth directly responsible.
Just read that Spain is a notoriously poor market for `foreign`films, so wouldn't worry too much. :)
those numbers for last weekend in full (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18144/UK-Box-Office-7---9-September-2012) Apologies if already posted.
Mentioned this in the reviews thread, but went to the 11:30am showing today and there were about 50 folk there, the busiest I've seen that screen on a morning showing.
Quote from: darnmarr on 15 September, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
those numbers for last weekend in full (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18144/UK-Box-Office-7---9-September-2012) Apologies if already posted.
Interesting stuff, will have to remember to keep tabs on this, as the weeks progress.
I'm going again tonight, first showing was 6 people, second showing was maybe 20, will see what tonight holds.
Yeah, got another viewing tonight with a mate who wants to go.
This will be fourth for me, and I'm fairly knackered... still will be interesting to see what it's like, particularly as the weather has picked up again.
Resident Evil's projected to finish the weekend with $22-$23 million dollars. Pretty average opening but it hasn't been marketed as much as Dredd has over here. Dredd's going to have to come in stronger than that to make the magic numbers. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: blackmocco on 15 September, 2012, 07:47:36 PM
Resident Evil's projected to finish the weekend with $22-$23 million dollars.
If Dredd gets that much in its opening weekend (longshot), it could make $50 mill by the end of its run.
Quote from: blackmocco on 15 September, 2012, 07:47:36 PM
Resident Evil's projected to finish the weekend with $22-$23 million dollars. Pretty average opening but it hasn't been marketed as much as Dredd has over here. Dredd's going to have to come in stronger than that to make the magic numbers. Fingers crossed.
lets hope interest in the new resident evil movie settles down by next friday when DREDD comes out in the states and hopefully DREDD does well it really deserves to i mean im a massive fan of the resident evil video games but man the movies are fucking bad i went the cinema back in the day to see the 1st one and it was average at best the 2nd one i caught on dvd and in my opinion is one of the worst movies ever made the third and fourth again i caught on dvd both better than the 2nd witch aint hard to pull off but still not very good yet people still go to see these shity movies at the cinema the odds are it will do better than DREDD at the box office witch i find very sad if there`s any justice in the world DREDD will end up being a big hit states side and people will choose to see a real movie than a corporate tie in >:(
There was a Resident Evil trailer in front of Dredd this afternoon -- the 3D looked fucking awful!
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 September, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
There was a Resident Evil trailer in front of Dredd this afternoon -- the 3D looked fucking awful!
I think I posted on this already - the WHOLE FILM looks bloody terrible. One of those movies that appears specifically engineered for 'kewl' 3D action sequences. Lots of stuff flying out of the screen, lots of Milla Jovovovovovovovovovich running at us in slow-mo... and no discernible plot.
No sir - give your money to DREDD! ;)
I posted about the 3D in the resident evil trailer last week- yeah, it was absolutely terrible. The absolute epitome of 'a series of flat cut outs on top of each other' that i see used as a criticism of the technology fairly often. Ive never seen it quite so poorly used before- the closest previously being the fight with the big snowmen in 'thor'.
I cant honestly believe people are still going to see resient evil films- that trailer was just, well, nonsense. I have no idea what it was about, other than it looked like a ripoff of the 'future war' scenes from terminator 2 but with a bored-looking fetish model instead of john connor. Am i close?
SBT
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 September, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
There was a Resident Evil trailer in front of Dredd this afternoon -- the 3D looked fucking awful!
Cheers
Jim
Indeed. It looked very poor.
I watched one of those movies a few weeks ago - dunno what one it was, it was in a desert. I literally had no clue what the hell was happening from scene to scene.
Just saw again - third viewing. The screen was nearly full, more people there than the first time I saw it, last Friday. Of course you can hardly judge from just one showing but it might just do as well or better as on the opening weekend.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 15 September, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Just saw again - third viewing. The screen was nearly full, more people there than the first time I saw it, last Friday. Of course you can hardly judge from just one showing but it might just do as well or better as on the opening weekend.
Excellent news!
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 15 September, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
... but it might just do as well or better as on the opening weekend.
Sweet grud I hope so.
Just back from an 18:50 showing with a mate - healthy attendance, appreciative audience - probably about 60% full.
Friend was raving about it.
I'm just exhausted, having seen it 4 times...
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 15 September, 2012, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 September, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
There was a Resident Evil trailer in front of Dredd this afternoon -- the 3D looked fucking awful!
Cheers
Jim
Indeed. It looked very poor.
I watched one of those movies a few weeks ago - dunno what one it was, it was in a desert. I literally had no clue what the hell was happening from scene to scene.
I was just going to post the same thing. I had no idea what the fuck was going on. Gave up about fifteen minutes from the end. Haha!
The Rei movies are awful but people (me included) go see them instinctively out of habit, it's a bit like Saw in that regard. Milla man, just too awesome.
Is the Resi trailer even IN 3D? I've found tht while Cineworld tell you to put on your glasses before they start, none of the trailers are actually in 3D.
The point is, it's in supermegaultra 3D, Whereach element is a hundred miles in front of the one behind and printed on cardboard. It literally looks like a victorian puppet show like they used to make on blue peter.
SBT
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 16 September, 2012, 08:56:15 AMIs the Resi trailer even IN 3D? I've found tht while Cineworld tell you to put on your glasses before they start, none of the trailers are actually in 3D.
Yes, it was the only 3D trailer at the showing and I was struck by just how flat it made all the planes look. Yes, the planes are differentiated within 3D space, but it just accentuated how flat the objects on each plane looked.
Cheers
Jim
Yeah, it has an unnatural look to the 3D.
3D is a tricky one to get right, I remember seeing Superman Returns which had partial 3D - and some scenes looked like miniatures because the 3D was overdone.
Same with that RE trailer - the separation was overdone.
I'm still not entirely convinced that 3D is worth the effort, even with Dredd. It doesn't annoy me, but I don't think I'd particularly miss it.
Quote from: Steve Green on 16 September, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
'm still not entirely convinced that 3D is worth the effort, even with Dredd. It doesn't annoy me, but I don't think I'd particularly miss it.
It was great on my first Dredd viewing, but if the downside is the headache-inducing ghosting from a poorly set-up system like the effect I saw at the second, then I say ditch it.
Cheers
Jim
At the screening of a film called Dredd or something...
And no spoilers please(!)
Quote from: Goaty on 16 September, 2012, 12:47:45 PM
At the screening of a film called Dredd or something...
And no spoilers please(!)
Sorry... I have no idea what you're trying to say here...
Cheers
Jim
Has Goaty just bought a ticket to see Dredd, but is then, presumably, going to walk out before it starts, as he doesnt want it spoilered?
Thats a bit hardcore, int it.
I think he's going to a subtitled print and was joking about the `spoiler`part as he's seen it before.
Nah it's normal screening, I was joking, and it fucking awesome as always!
Ian Sandwell @ian_sandwell
Hearing that, thanks to two days of previews, #TheSweeney is number one in the UK; #ParaNorman number one based on Fri-Sun with £1.3m.
:(
Just been to see it for the first time , left it so long because I went with my son and he is only 15, though tall for his age ... Thought we would have a better chance getting in on a Sunday matinee ..we did ! Really enjoyed it and there were about another 20-25 in the screening .
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 16 September, 2012, 05:21:13 PM
Ian Sandwell @ian_sandwell
Hearing that, thanks to two days of previews, #TheSweeney is number one in the UK; #ParaNorman number one based on Fri-Sun with £1.3m.
:(
There's no way The Sweeney will do as well as Dredd internationally.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 16 September, 2012, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 16 September, 2012, 05:21:13 PM
Ian Sandwell @ian_sandwell
Hearing that, thanks to two days of previews, #TheSweeney is number one in the UK; #ParaNorman number one based on Fri-Sun with £1.3m.
:(
There's no way The Sweeney will do as well as Dredd internationally.
Indeed,it sounds like it had a weak 3 day,too.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 16 September, 2012, 05:26:11 PM
There's no way The Sweeney will do as well as Dredd internationally.
THIS.
Plus, it looks bloody terrible.
Ah well, Dredd can still brag that it made it to number one which is pretty ace anyway.
Compared to Dredd, the Sweeney doesn't have to make a great deal of cash to turn a profit. It only cost 3 million quid to make - about the same as two episodes of a sci-fi show like Falling Skies or Star Trek: Enterprise - so it only has to do modest business to be declared a huge success.
Basically it doing well is the cinematic equivalent of having a lass throw her Cosmo in your face: you have failed miserably, but still got a free drink and are thus ahead. There will be a Sweeney 2.
Thought someone said Dredd had taken 900k during mon-thurs. guess that wasn't true...
Ian Sandwell said that, I've no reason to doubt it.
So it took less than 300k over the weekend?
No numbers published to know.
Someone mention 2400 screens in US?
Yep, about 600 less than Resident Evil, and 500 more than Looper gets. Expendables 2 had 3,316 and TDKR a whopping 4,404.
Will we get the magic number for the opening US weekend opening box office in a week, or will we have to wait a little longer?
As far as I can tell, for the opening weekend; $20m+ good, -$20m bad.
The Sweeney is number 1, Paranorman in second, with Anna Karenina in third. Presumably it's Dredd in fourth, or maybe even lower.
What a load of horseshit. I guess this proves once and for all that all the rave reviews and Twitter buzz in the world simply doesn't translate into tangible success where films are concerned. Gutted.
Here's hoping for a heathly US take this weekend, but I'm not holding my breath - seems the majority of people prefer mediocrity to quality (not having a dig at Anna Karenina, Lawless and Paranorman so much here - though by all accounts they are largely unremarkable films).
Quote from: radiator on 17 September, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
What a load of horseshit. I guess this proves once and for all that all the rave reviews and Twitter buzz in the world simply doesn't translate into tangible success where films are concerned. Gutted.
I say again: Serenity.
Dredd's relatively modest budget leaves me in no doubt that the film will make money. It may well break even at the box office and be a very tidy little earner on DVD/Blu-ray (again, much like Serenity, I believe), but it's an 18-rated 3D movie; it was never going to be a blockbuster. That $50M in the US was always going to be a tall order, so I'd start reining in those sequel dreams now, folks.
Cheers
Jim
Aw man. I really thought the second weekend would be bigger, purely going by the fact that a great deal of people I told about it during the 1st week seem to have gone to see what the fuss was all about. Thought maybe that would be happening countrywide! Still, without numbers we don't really know if it did badly? The Sweeney and Paranorman were always going to be the top films this weekend regardless.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 17 September, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
I say again: Serenity.
Dredd's relatively modest budget leaves me in no doubt that the film will make money. It may well break even at the box office and be a very tidy little earner on DVD/Blu-ray (again, much like Serenity, I believe), but it's an 18-rated 3D movie; it was never going to be a blockbuster. That $50M in the US was always going to be a tall order, so I'd start reining in those sequel dreams now, folks.
While I agree that Dredd will make its money, Serenity didn't break-even at the box-office. Not even close:
Total Budget: $58,000,000
Worldwide Gross: $38,869,464
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/serenity-2005?q=serenity
Interestingly I heard from the boss that it hit no.1 again.. I'm confused. Are there any official linkies anywhere?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
While I agree that Dredd will make its money, Serenity didn't break-even at the box-office. Not even close:
Wow. My mistake. That's even
more depressing.
Cheers
Jim
QuoteAre there any official linkies anywhere?
No, just Twitter rumours at this point.
Quote
The Sweeney tops the UK box office, you slaaaags. ParaNorman was second and Anna Karenina just scrapes third.
Well, one person on twitter that I can see.
Even if it is correct, I'm more interested to see the take rather than the position - that states that AK scrapes a third, but it's not clear whether that's closer to Paranorman or whatever's in fourth.
I would have been surprised if Dredd was at no. 1, considering the 3D bias.
I took it to mean that Dredd was in fourth, just pipped by AK.
It's possible - though unlikely - that Dredd could still have taken a respectable amount and that the top four are very close in takings, all hovering somewhere around the £1m mark.
Following this on twitter is not good for my health - I want to headbutt the screen anytime anyone thinks they are the first person in the world, ever, to:
a) Notice the similarities to the plot of The Raid.
b) Realise that Dredd sounds like Dread, enabling them to make a weak pun out of it.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 17 September, 2012, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
While I agree that Dredd will make its money, Serenity didn't break-even at the box-office. Not even close:
Wow. My mistake. That's even more depressing.
Serenity had more against it than Dredd, in my opinion. It was aimed at and made for a specific
clued-in audience; if you didn't know the lead-up, it had a lot less weight as a stand-alone.
Agreed, It was a continuation of a small scale, cult TV show that only had a few (admittedly excellent) episodes on a single TV channel, often late at night and run out of order. Dredd, by comparison, is much more widely known and deeply rooted in peoples minds.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 September, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
Dredd, by comparison, is much more widely known and deeply rooted in peoples minds.
Not in the States. If box office is "ho hum" here, where the character has some traction in popular culture, then I really wouldn't hold my breath for anything spectacular in the US.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: radiator on 17 September, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
I took it to mean that Dredd was in fourth, just pipped by AK.
It's possible - though unlikely - that Dredd could still have taken a respectable amount and that the top four are very close in takings, all hovering somewhere around the £1m mark.
Following this on twitter is not good for my health - I want to headbutt the screen anytime anyone thinks they are the first person in the world, ever, to:
a) Notice the similarities to the plot of The Raid.
b) Realise that Dredd sounds like Dread, enabling them to make a weak pun out of it.
I did draw the ire of an ex-colleague on Facebook there. He's always been a bit of a posturing film critic, a colleague had posted that he'd loved Dredd so this guy replied that Urban looked ridiculous, the outfit was crap, Stallone was a better Dredd and then finished off by saying "I haven't seen Dredd, but The Raid is clearly the better film" so I had to tell him he was spouting uninformed pish. It didn't go down well.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 17 September, 2012, 11:51:37 AMIt didn't go down well.
You can't really talk to ex's..
Quote from: radiator on 17 September, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
It's possible - though unlikely - that the rebels will find a weakness and exploit it.
FTFY
So still no official word?
I happened to catch an AK trailer on telly the other day. Every single shot looked like a Mills & Boon cover.. It'd be a travesty if a proper film with balls loses out to that..
It isn't really fair to compare them, and they're not competing for the same audience.
I'll probably never watch AK myself, but don't mind it - Working Title tend to make high quality costume dramas, it's just not my cup of tea as a genre.
The real shame would be seeing Dredd being beat out by The Sweeney, Total Recall and Resident Drivel. As action films they all look totally and utterly bland, predictable and generic where Dredd feels - if not wholly original - at least fresh and bold and a fine addition of the genre.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 17 September, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
I happened to catch an AK trailer on telly the other day. Every single shot looked like a Mills & Boon cover.. It'd be a travesty if a proper film with balls loses out to that..
I notice the Odeon keeps running points
pay-offs promotions for AK but nothing for Dredd. I wonder who decides which film deserves a leg-up?
I got a 2-for-1 at the Odeon Streatham for Dredd, as well as a voucher for glasses, but not at Odeon Wimbledon.
Maybe it's down to the individual manager.
Probably, Salisbury Odeon gave us 2-for-1 vouchers for every showing of Dredd we went to.
Resident Evil has taken $50million in its opening weekend apparently, that's all regions though. Not too sure what the US take was.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 17 September, 2012, 01:56:17 PM
Resident Evil has taken $50million in its opening weekend apparently, that's all regions though. Not too sure what the US take was.
Apparently, mercifully, less than the previous installment
Hearing that Dredd is down 30% from the opening weekend, but is fifth behind Lawless.
https://twitter.com/ian_sandwell (https://twitter.com/ian_sandwell)
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 September, 2012, 02:35:35 PM
Hearing that Dredd is down 30% from the opening weekend, but is fifth behind Lawless.
Worth mentioning that Ian follows up that Tweet by saying:
"Doesn't appear too bad of a drop, around 30%. So it hasn't tanked."Cheers
Jim
30% drop is bloody good isnt it.
Yeah, I don't know what is considered normal in terms of second weekend figures.
I'd like to know what effect the heavy focus on 3D has been - not that they had much choice if it was a condition of getting it made...
Total Recall - though it obviously had a far bigger opening weekend - dropped something like 74% on it's second week.
I anticipate that The Sweeney will drop like a stone from here on in too.
Sweeney opened to £1.5m but that included Weds/Thurs on 406 screens.
But yeah, I think it will disappear pretty quickly.
I think the slow burn is the only possible scenario in which Dredd could be a success now - open averagely in most markets, but stick around in the top ten for a while and depreciate gently on subsequent weeks thanks to good word of mouth and people returning for multiple viewings, eventually landing on a solid worldwide total, backed up by impressive disc & download sales (from the reaction online I think it's safe to say that a high percentage of people who saw the film will be buying it on home release).
Thanks Jim, finally in !
Bah, annoyingly the Dredd figures aren't available...
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846 (http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846)
Many of you don't know me, but been flying the flag for Dredd on the IMDB boards for about 8 months now. Today there is a little tiny bit of a collective downer. But the posters on the IMDB Dredd board are looking at this with a sense of cherishment. Regardless of how Dredd does we are all happy that we got such a fantastic film. If a sequel does not happen then we all have Judge Minty to look forward to, it could be a spiritual sequel. Once and for all 95 is banished into the depths of hell never to be remembered again, so thats another huge plus. If Dredd got some extra people to buy 2000ad then thats another win. The game is not over quite yet of course, so perhaps the doom and gloom should be reeled in slightly. Even if Dredd does not do the numbers it needs to we still win. They made a movie i would put up there with Bladerunner and Robocop so i could not really ask for more than that. As a fan i'm a very happy bunny, but the general movie going sheep need a serious slap in the head.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 17 September, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Bah, annoyingly the Dredd figures aren't available...
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846 (http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846)
Try this link
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.screendaily.com%2Fbox-office%2Fthe-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office%2F5046665.article%3Fblocktitle%3DLatest-news%26contentID%3D1846&ei=uDhXUJKLHcmm0QWyxoCQBw&usg=AFQjCNFX939RMAUaGP0q9AUXwnHRkYJ2hA&sig2=q_CQxJiwK_EBv5Linogj9A&cad=rja
Quote from: James Stacey on 17 September, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 17 September, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Bah, annoyingly the Dredd figures aren't available...
http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846 (http://www.screendaily.com/box-office/the-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office/5046665.article?blocktitle=Latest-news&contentID=1846)
Try this link
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.screendaily.com%2Fbox-office%2Fthe-sweeney-arrests-dredd-at-the-uk-box-office%2F5046665.article%3Fblocktitle%3DLatest-news%26contentID%3D1846&ei=uDhXUJKLHcmm0QWyxoCQBw&usg=AFQjCNFX939RMAUaGP0q9AUXwnHRkYJ2hA&sig2=q_CQxJiwK_EBv5Linogj9A&cad=rja
Bah..
Kinda annoying that Entertainment have not released figures, they where pretty quick releasing the figures last week when Dredd was top so why the hold up now ?
Quote from: radiator on 17 September, 2012, 10:26:39 AM
The Sweeney is number 1, Paranorman in second, with Anna Karenina in third. Presumably it's Dredd in fourth, or maybe even lower.
What a load of horseshit. I guess this proves once and for all that all the rave reviews and Twitter buzz in the world simply doesn't translate into tangible success where films are concerned. Gutted.
Here's hoping for a heathly US take this weekend, but I'm not holding my breath - seems the majority of people prefer mediocrity to quality (not having a dig at Anna Karenina, Lawless and Paranorman so much here - though by all accounts they are largely unremarkable films).
Sucks for sure but we also have to be mindful of the fact that this is not a family-friendly movie. It's extremely violent which automatically loses a huge chunk of a mainstream audience. People aren't going to bring their girlfriend or granny to see it and besides all of us who, let's fucking face it, have an unhealthy obsession with the movie's subject matter, it's not going to do huge repeat business for the average punter.
Weekend figures may be lower than expected, but wonder what the TOTAL takings have been so far?...
Sadly, most of the bums that go on cinema seats these days belong to affluent kids on a friday/saturday night out, who just want a couple of hours timekiller entertainment featuring something or someone familiar, before they go off to do whatever afterwards. They have no particular love of films- and indeed our culture now actively discourages appreciation of any artform or craft in favour of sport or politics. There is literally *nothing* 'unhealthy' about our appreciation of the comic or the character. Nor are people who know a lot about a subject 'nerds'.
The sad fact is cinemas have priced themselves out of the entertainment market (£10 a ticket for 3D in my poxy little town, grud knows what it is in london), and the majority of people are not willing or able to pay multiples of that for what amounts to two hours entertainment. They'd rather wait for DVD or Bluray.
Dredd's problem is the 18 rating- it should have been cut to a 15, and so broadened the audience. It's all well and good (cont)
(cont) to have a fanstically explicit movie but when the idea is to create a franchise and the budget is so high necessitating a massive take at the box office, i'd much rather have had few snips and a lower rating.
As wknow though, the american situation is completely different. I could take my kids to it if i were over there as, sensibly, their R rating us advisory and no one gets arrested. Let's hope that american kids latch on to how cool the character is and attend in their millions.
SBT
I was a little bit worried all week. There was widespread reports of empty or half full theaters at peak times. After the UK release we expected the IMDB board to be flooded as that usually happens, yet the traffic was very low indeed, perhaps 2 new posters a day. I have monitored twitter since release, on average Dredd was getting about 16-17 tweets an hour which is kinda low for a "big" movie. Many people seem alienated about the chronic lack of 2D showings and simply did not bother even though they wanted to see Dredd. I dunno what to make of this really. Entertainment not releasing the numbers is a little big dodgy though. Has it really done that bad that they are hestitating before the US release ? All a bit baffling really.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 17 September, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
The sad fact is cinemas have priced themselves out of the entertainment market (£10 a ticket for 3D in my poxy little town, grud knows what it is in london), and the majority of people are not willing or able to pay multiples of that for what amounts to two hours entertainment. They'd rather wait for DVD or Bluray.
You say that, however people will spend far more than that down the pub over the same period of time..
The Bourne Identity didn't do to well when it came out, yet thanks to word of mouth, it increased it figures and dvd sales helped it as well and now it has two squeals and a spin off !
I still reckon it'll do huge in DVD/BR sales.. It's easier to bamboozle a HMV employee than an eagle eyed cinema usher when it comes to age.
Quote from: painbros22 on 17 September, 2012, 04:51:29 PM
I was a little bit worried all week. There was widespread reports of empty or half full theaters at peak times. After the UK release we expected the IMDB board to be flooded as that usually happens, yet the traffic was very low indeed, perhaps 2 new posters a day. I have monitored twitter since release, on average Dredd was getting about 16-17 tweets an hour which is kinda low for a "big" movie. Many people seem alienated about the chronic lack of 2D showings and simply did not bother even though they wanted to see Dredd. I dunno what to make of this really. Entertainment not releasing the numbers is a little big dodgy though. Has it really done that bad that they are hestitating before the US release ? All a bit baffling really.
According to Ian Sandwell's tweet Entertainment often don't release figures until Monday Evening/Tuesday.
Quote from: painbros22 on 17 September, 2012, 04:51:29 PMMany people seem alienated about the chronic lack of 2D showings and simply did not bother even though they wanted to see Dredd.
That's me. Worryingly, that's also friends of mine, none of whom have seen Dredd, as far as I know. In many cases, this isn't a dislike of 3D, but being literally unable to watch it. But that doesn't mean more 2D showings would have helped—perhaps it would have got the same audience but a lower box office take, meaning no 'number one' stamp. That sad thing for me is that the movie's likely two- or three-week stint in the top ten means a wider 2D release is just not going to happen. Maybe I'll brave the 3D one and hope I don't end up with a migraine, and that Mrs G won't end up feeling queasy.
Why don't you do the '2D Glasses' trick? swapping lenses over to make two pairs of 2D glasses.
QuoteAccording to Ian Sandwell's tweet Entertainment often don't release figures until Monday Evening/Tuesday.
Yeah i know, he actually tweeted it to me, thats my twitter handle. Still does not explain how they managed to release figures last Sunday night if they release figures on Mon/Tues. Pretty sure if Dredd was still top we would be getting figures. I doubt the take is that bad though, 500k - 600k is looking likely if Lawless hit 700k. Also not sure where Ian got his 30% drop from when he has no figure.
Quote from: painbros22 on 17 September, 2012, 05:09:20 PMAlso not sure where Ian got his 30% drop from when he has no figure.
I figure he's assuming that Dredd is tucked up fairly tight behind Lawless at £788K -- a £700-£750K for take Dredd would give the 30% drop off suggested.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: painbros22 on 17 September, 2012, 05:09:20 PM
QuoteAccording to Ian Sandwell's tweet Entertainment often don't release figures until Monday Evening/Tuesday.
Yeah i know, he actually tweeted it to me, thats my twitter handle. Still does not explain how they managed to release figures last Sunday night if they release figures on Mon/Tues. Pretty sure if Dredd was still top we would be getting figures. I doubt the take is that bad though, 500k - 600k is looking likely if Lawless hit 700k. Also not sure where Ian got his 30% drop from when he has no figure.
Surely it just depends if it's good news or not - if you hit no. 1 you shout about it, if you're fifth, why rush?
Ok got the figure now, Dredd made £769,381 with a £2,725,180 total. Source = EDI Rentrack.
So 30% was spot on.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 17 September, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 17 September, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
The sad fact is cinemas have priced themselves out of the entertainment market (£10 a ticket for 3D in my poxy little town, grud knows what it is in london), and the majority of people are not willing or able to pay multiples of that for what amounts to two hours entertainment. They'd rather wait for DVD or Bluray.
You say that, however people will spend far more than that down the pub over the same period of time..
Yeah- that was the point I was failing to make because I was texting the response while walking home in bright sunlight and trying not to get run over! Cinema is as expensive as a serious night out at the pub- or even a reasonably decent meal (two tickets, popcorn, drinks, etc, can be upwards of £40). And cinema is largely a passive experience that doesn't involve much interaction with the people you're with. My wife, for example, if given fifty quid and told to go out for the evening with her husband or friends, would NEVER consider going to the cinema-
it's not intimate or sociable. It used to be okay when it was a cheapish prelude to your more expensive evening, or just a cheap night out full stop. But at ten quid a ticket plus, it's long since ceased to be that.
I'm a lifelong fan of Dredd, and I very very nearly didn't bother with the movie. Simply because ten quid is too much to pay for seeing a movie once- especially when I will be able to buy it on DVD for £6 within the year, and rent it for £3.25 as soon as it's released. I only ended up going because I wanted to support it, and so I could join in some of the discussions here. I only went back because my local cinema was giving away 2-4-1 tickets.
SBT
SBT
Is that good?
Bit disappointed that Dredd has been knocked down to 4th by a group of inferior films. People are such idiotic freaks sometimes.
But hey, it still kicked ass.
Well, total recall opened with £2.8m, then dropped to below Dredd's second weekend.
2 of the films above it are aimed at audiences who wouldn't see Dredd - it doesn't make them idiotic freaks.
QuoteDredd made £769,381 with a £2,725,180
Confused.
Thought Dredd made £1m on opening weekend, then another £700k this week, with a £1.7m total so far.
I heard it made more like 900k during the week, which seems the case with those figures.
Quote from: painbros22 on 17 September, 2012, 05:33:50 PM
I heard it made more like 900k during the week, which seems the case with those figures.
Yeah, the reports were £1.04M on the opening weekend, a pretty impressive £900K the following Mon-Thu, for a whisker under £2M over the whole opening week (Fri-Thu). Add in the reported £770-ishK for this weekend (Fri-Sun) to give you the £2.7M figure.
Cheers
Jim
Probaly posted somewhere but -How many 2D screening in the US will be available for its opening weekend?
Well if that's the case (I'm still a bit confused about how 'weeks' are delineated when calculating box office...) then £2.7m total so far after 1 week + 1 weekend isn't too bad really, is it?
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 September, 2012, 05:08:05 PM
Why don't you do the '2D Glasses' trick? swapping lenses over to make two pairs of 2D glasses.
Does that work? Won't the cinema get all pissy if you bugger up their 3D specs? We're still mulling it over (and this being a film Mrs G hunted around for ages trying to find a 2D showing for, because she wanted to surprise me with open-night tickets).
surely that cant be bad if its on £2.7m so far could easily take over 4million from the uk hopefully 5 million by the end of its run which would be nearly 10% of its budget have a decent opening weekend in the US which could make a follow up rated at 15 a shoe in (hopefully) either way everyone know nows who the real dredd is not the previous travesty
Well, the Cineworld in Cardiff was the busiest I'd seen it last night. I think about 3/4 of the seats were full.
I'm doing my bit - 6th time tonight. Hopefully a 7th on Thursday too.
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 September, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
Well, total recall opened with £2.8m, then dropped to below Dredd's second weekend.
Ouch. Quite a lot down considering the budget difference between Dredd and Recall.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2012, 06:50:08 PM
Does that work? Won't the cinema get all pissy if you bugger up their 3D specs? We're still mulling it over (and this being a film Mrs G hunted around for ages trying to find a 2D showing for, because she wanted to surprise me with open-night tickets).
I'm not sure I'd recommend what has been recommended but Real 3D glasses are your property once you've bought them. Only the goggles are kept. In MY experience anyway. They're considered disposable.
I can only remember taking the glasses off a few times and one of the Lawmaster scenes stood out as being particularly blurry. Though considering most of the action takes place inside a tower block...
Quote from: moly on 17 September, 2012, 06:52:18 PMsurely that cant be bad if its on £2.7m so far could easily take over 4million from the uk hopefully 5 million by the end of its run which would be nearly 10% of its budget have a decent opening weekend in the US which could make a follow up rated at 15 a shoe in (hopefully) either way everyone know nows who the real dredd is not the previous travesty
I actually think it's done well in the UK, given the slump in cinema attendance and the fact it's a hard 18. Ultimately, though, US box office is the only really important thing. I'd love to see the movie do well there, so fingers crossed.
@Stan: I did ask the "should I just go and see it without glasses" question on Twitter. 100% no from a large number of answers!
Aaaah. I'm not gonna argue with that!
Quote from: Stan on 17 September, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
I'm not sure I'd recommend what has been recommended but Real 3D glasses are your property once you've bought them.
Swapping the lenses between two pairs of 3D specs will absolutely work -- if you have two left lenses in one pair and two rights in the other then you will see standard 2D through either pair of specs.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2012, 07:24:12 PM
I did ask the "should I just go and see it without glasses" question on Twitter. 100% no from a large number of answers!
^ Thats good advice.
Had a couple of sneaky peeks throughout the film, as well. Without the glasses its pretty blurred.
again, it works:
http://www.2d-glasses.com/
I still think this will chug along nicely for weeks, making a nice amount.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 07:01:05 PM
Well, the Cineworld in Cardiff was the busiest I'd seen it last night. I think about 3/4 of the seats were full.
I'm doing my bit - 6th time tonight. Hopefully a 7th on Thursday too.
Whaddaya mean hopefully? Already told the missus..
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 September, 2012, 07:01:05 PM
Well, the Cineworld in Cardiff was the busiest I'd seen it last night. I think about 3/4 of the seats were full.
I'm doing my bit - 6th time tonight. Hopefully a 7th on Thursday too.
Which showing were you in. I was in there for the 6.10 showing. More people in there than opening night.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 17 September, 2012, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: Stan on 17 September, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
I'm not sure I'd recommend what has been recommended but Real 3D glasses are your property once you've bought them.
Swapping the lenses between two pairs of 3D specs will absolutely work -- if you have two left lenses in one pair and two rights in the other then you will see standard 2D through either pair of specs.
Cheers
Jim
I've got two pairs from Tron and Dredd here so I might experiment if I can figure out a way of doing it without snapping them to pieces.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 17 September, 2012, 06:50:08 PMDoes that work? Won't the cinema get all pissy if you bugger up their 3D specs? We're still mulling it over (and this being a film Mrs G hunted around for ages trying to find a 2D showing for, because she wanted to surprise me with open-night tickets).
Won't work with 'active shutter' type 3D glasses. Absolutely should work with the polarized Real 3D type glasses, the theory is completely sound. Also I don't know about other Cinemas but at the Cinema I primarily go to (Cineworld) you pay for the glasses and they're yours to keep. The wife and I have about 5 pairs sitting around the house due to occasionally forgetting to bring them and having to buy extras.
Quote from: Stan on 17 September, 2012, 11:18:42 PMI've got two pairs from Tron and Dredd here so I might experiment if I can figure out a way of doing it without snapping them to pieces.
Unsurprisingly, there's a YouTube video that shows you how to do it (isn't there for everything?).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua5smxPXy8E
As the video kinda points out, be really careful not to get your lenses turned around top to bottom or back to front, otherwise they won't work like they're supposed to.
Just a thought - The Possession opened to a middling $17.7 million in the US, but it has reached $41 million after seventeen days and will surely hit $50 mil. Good sign for Dredd...?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 07:34:22 PM
again, it works:
http://www.2d-glasses.com/
That would be lovely if a) they didn't cost money and/or b) they weren't on Amazon USA and would therefore cost money to ship. I'm happy paying a bit extra to see Dredd, but I'm not going to faff about buying 2D glasses and having them shipped from the USA—at that point, I'll just grab the film when it shows up on iTunes!
As for 3D, clearly I'm an idiot, because I assumed the cinemas gave you the glasses and you bunged them in the 3D glasses bin after the film.
I wonder what the box office expectations were for the UK? The 18 rating does limit its audience. A 30% drop-off is pretty decent, showing that word-of-mouth is working quite well.
On rottentomatoes "Dredd" is on the top of the "opening" list and with a good rating... might get a lot of people to check it out.
I'd just like to point out a rather surreal fact -
We have a fucking brilliant Judge Dredd film.
There. Just wanted to say that.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 September, 2012, 08:15:13 AM
I'd just like to point out a rather surreal fact -
We have a fucking brilliant Judge Dredd film.
There. Just wanted to say that.
Fucking yes!
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 September, 2012, 12:29:43 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 September, 2012, 07:34:22 PM
again, it works:
http://www.2d-glasses.com/
That would be lovely if a) they didn't cost money and/or b) they weren't on Amazon USA and would therefore cost money to ship. I'm happy paying a bit extra to see Dredd, but I'm not going to faff about buying 2D glasses and having them shipped from the USA—at that point, I'll just grab the film when it shows up on iTunes!
As for 3D, clearly I'm an idiot, because I assumed the cinemas gave you the glasses and you bunged them in the 3D glasses bin after the film.
Depends on the chain.
It used to be Odeon did that but these days you buy them and keep them.
Empire still has bins for them still, not sure what others do these days.
I think you are encouraged on the packing to 'recycle them in the bins provided at the end of the movie' As if they only work the once or something. IMax glasses you always have to give back.
Cineworld charge you 80p for the glasses but they're yours to keep, they have recycling bins in case you want to ditch them after the movie. Off to see it at a Vue cinema tonight and curious to see what the 3D is like. First 3 viewings were at the large screen in Cineworld (3D was quite good), 4th was in a smaller screen in the same cinema (3D was awful, and very blurred). I wonder if there's a case to demand your 3D surcharge back if their screen is clearly set up badly...
Taking a gang of work colleagues along who haven't seen it, keen to see their reactions and to see if they spread the word further!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 18 September, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Off to see it at a Vue cinema tonight and curious to see what the 3D is like.
Is it the Vue Xtreme screen? If so, verdict? Am curious about that myself, whether it's better than the Empire one in Leicester Square. I was going to make a trip up to Westfield to see for myself.
The 3D in Cineworld Cardiff last night was wonky. Everything was left with a slight ghost. Didnt notice it much but the premium price they pay they should at least get it right.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 September, 2012, 08:15:13 AM
I'd just like to point out a rather surreal fact -
We have a fucking brilliant Judge Dredd film.
There. Just wanted to say that.
I thought that yesterday actually.
It's arsom.
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 18 September, 2012, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 18 September, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Off to see it at a Vue cinema tonight and curious to see what the 3D is like.
Is it the Vue Xtreme screen? If so, verdict? Am curious about that myself, whether it's better than the Empire one in Leicester Square. I was going to make a trip up to Westfield to see for myself.
Just a regular Vue screen sadly, Edinburgh doesn't have an Xtreme one :(
It's worth noting that a 30% drop is actually a very, very good sign. Even 50%-60% would be really positive.
Quote from: Molch-R on 18 September, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
It's worth noting that a 30% drop is actually a very, very good sign. Even 50%-60% would be really positive.
Excellent :D
The 3d was spot on at the ciniworld I went to, but on another note did anyone see the trailer for the new resident evil film ? The 3d in that looked shocking !!
Quote from: Molch-R on 18 September, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
It's worth noting that a 30% drop is actually a very, very good sign. Even 50%-60% would be really positive.
Yeash, as far as I understand, a 50% drop off in week two is normal, so this is a good result.
Quote from: Molch-R on 18 September, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
It's worth noting that a 30% drop is actually a very, very good sign. Even 50%-60% would be really positive.
I thought this myself when I saw that percentage. It had been mentioned earlier in the thread that your average film makes 70% less on it's first Mon-Thurs as it did in it's opening Fri-Sun weekend (and Dredd had nowhere near that dip). If that's an average first week drop then 30% sounds brilliant for a 2nd weekend.
It's also worth keeping in mind that The Sweeney had a stronger opening weekend but it did the classic cheeky move of releasing mid-week, thus adding extra days onto its opening 'weekend'. If you take Dredd's first 5 days I'm sure it made about the same.
QuoteThe 3d was spot on at the ciniworld I went to, but on another note did anyone see the trailer for the new resident evil film ? The 3d in that looked shocking !!
I thought the outrageous Sony product placement was more shocking. Don't think I even realised that it was 3d at the time.
QuoteIs it the Vue Xtreme screen? If so, verdict? Am curious about that myself, whether it's better than the Empire one in Leicester Square. I was going to make a trip up to Westfield to see for myself.
I went to see Dredd on a Vue 'Xtreme' screen last week (Islington) and it was by far the best experience I've had of watching the film (in a visual/aural sense). A bit expensive, but well worth it for the improvement in picture size, clarity, detail, brightness and the huge jump in quality of the 3d and sound. Frankly, it made the film look double it's budget.
Next best thing to IMAX.
It's worth pointing out that Dredd's takings are about to eclipse that of Keith Lemon - The Film, so that's one disaster averted.
The ? is how`s DREDD`s promotion going in the states i hope lionsgate are backing it stateside i no it keeps poping up on wwe shows
The "Movieometer" on IMDB shot up 16 places yesterday, Dredd is 16th atm. When Resident Evil came out it only managed nr 33 ( ok its nr 2 now but thats after 4 days so pfft ). So there is good buzz surrounding Dredd. The Jenniffer Lawrence PG13 "horror" dreck is languishing in the top 100 and the Clint Eastwood empty chair experience is hovering at the 500 mark. That means my friends that Dredd is far more interesting to movie goers than the other releases on friday. Pretty awesome for a little 45 million flick. To put it into perspective TDKR has a score of 4, so 16th is beyond good.
Good start to US...?
Metacritic's Six Picks for the Week
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/6-picks-for-week-of-september-17-2012 (http://www.metacritic.com/feature/6-picks-for-week-of-september-17-2012)
It's the ONLY movie Metacritic chose, so it's beyond impressive Goaty mate.
I've seen this film in screen 15 of Cardiff Cineworld about 4 times now, each time with varying quality. Last night was the worst - the friend I took kept taking his glasses off and rubbing them, thinking he had smeared stuff all over them. I came out with a mild headache.
Otherwise he loved it. Well, he's so laid back he's almost dead - he said 'very good' in his usual laconic manner, which for a normal person would be like jumping up and down, shouting 'IT WAS AMAZING' and letting off fireworks and shizz.
Quote from: painbros22 on 18 September, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
The "Movieometer" on IMDB shot up 16 places yesterday, Dredd is 16th atm. When Resident Evil came out it only managed nr 33 ( ok its nr 2 now but thats after 4 days so pfft ). So there is good buzz surrounding Dredd. The Jenniffer Lawrence PG13 "horror" dreck is languishing in the top 100 and the Clint Eastwood empty chair experience is hovering at the 500 mark. That means my friends that Dredd is far more interesting to movie goers than the other releases on friday. Pretty awesome for a little 45 million flick. To put it into perspective TDKR has a score of 4, so 16th is beyond good.
Eh, I dunno. Dangerous to assume based on internet data. Most average joes who go to see a movie on a weekend make their decision at the last minute. I would think End Of Watch and Jennifer Lawrence's boobs in a white see-through shirt are going to do some damage to Dredd's box office. Hopefully not too badly though. Didn't realize it was such a crowded weekend for releases.
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Gah, sorry about that, hit return!
Anyways...
I think while choosing 3D to get Dredd into production made sense at the time, ultimately it may drastically affect the films propects. Since that time, audiences have voted with their money and are seeking out 2D screenings of films like this. If they're not provided, then they're going to go to something else. I went to see Prometheus a couple of months back and the first cinema I went to didn't have any 2D screenings - thereby forcing you to go to 3D - so I walked out and waited until I found it in another cinema. I went to see Dredd in 3D cos' I'm a huge 2000AD and JD fan but for the majority of people, they're likely to do just what I did with Prometheus and walk away. This is not the first 3D film that this has happened to; it likely won't be the last.
3D films also cost more per ticket so people are choosing to spend that only on films they really want to see. Dredd isn't as keenly anticipated as big blockbusters like Avengers; a lot of people are willing to give it a chance but that's less likely to happen when they have to fork out an extra five or six dollars. They'll just wait for the DVD instead.
Hopefully I'm wrong on all this but 3D's fad is pretty much over and done with now. It is not a selling point and the 3D films that succeed nowadays often do so in spite of being in 3D, not because of it.
The good reviews have been having a very positive effect, however. Hopefully that will go some ways to improving the films prospects in the North American box office!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/sep/18/the-sweeney-uk-box-office
Good overall postings by Dredd
Does anyone know of a list which shows which territories do best in terms of box office clout? I can't seem to find anything but I'm pretty sure the UK is right up there.
Quote from: Stan on 19 September, 2012, 12:35:20 AM
Does anyone know of a list which shows which territories do best in terms of box office clout? I can't seem to find anything but I'm pretty sure the UK is right up there.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_cin_ann_att_percap-cinemas-annual-attendance-per-capita
It's over ten years old though. It's per capita data you're looking as that gives you the information relative to the country's size. Interesting Rep. of Ireland is no. 10; I remember reading a newspaper article about two years back where we'd moved up a few notches so possible it's the same with the UK.
Georgia and Bermuda sure seem to like their films, eh?
http://www.obs.coe.int/about/oea/pr/berlinale2012.html
More up-to-date information. Oh forum, get a bloody edit button, will you?
Obviously I don't know anything about film financing etc, but I was wondering if it'd be conceivable that the film's distributors and financiers are thinking long term about the potential for Dredd as a franchise.
Obviously there'll be no sequels if Dredd loses money or only breaks even - but it makes a small profit - through DVD sales etc (and we all know that while not many people have seen the film a lot of those people LOVE it and it is already something of a cult classic) would the money men take that as a consideration and see this one as the foundation for a much more profitable sequel?
I know it's far more likely that they would just write it off as a 'failure' - I'm just speculating.
I must ask this quick question there seemed to be alot of adverts before the film (including an ironic one for the Sweeney plugging some phone network),would Dredd see any of that advertising money?
As far as I know it's the cinema chains that get the advertising money, not the films that the ad's precede.
The problem with a sequel spawned from long tail sales is that it probably wont have the same cast and / or crew. It will have Kevin Sorbo or someone else cheap as Dredd.
Quote from: radiator on 19 September, 2012, 09:45:30 AM
Obviously I don't know anything about film financing etc, but I was wondering if it'd be conceivable that the film's distributors and financiers are thinking long term about the potential for Dredd as a franchise.
I imagine most companies with a property that has potential for more films hope that such a thing will be possible. With Dredd, though, I've always had the feeling the people involved really wanted to get Dredd right on-screen, just this once, and would be happy to return in the unlikely scenario of an underground hit. Garland and Urban have regularly said to reign in expectations and how tricky it would be for a hard 18/R to make the kind of money required for a sequel to be green lit. That doesn't mean it won't happen, of course, and I guess in a couple of weeks we'll know if Americans have taken Dredd to heart. But $50m+ is a massive ask.
QuoteThe problem with a sequel spawned from long tail sales is that it probably wont have the same cast and / or crew. It will have Kevin Sorbo or someone else cheap as Dredd.
I would hope that there are contracts in place to prevent this from happening, just as I'm sure all the principals are contracted for sequels.
Bringing up the Kick-Ass comparison - that got given a sequel, which was only greenlit two years after the first one came out (due to strong DVD sales and a loyal cult following one imagines). Matthew Vaughn isn't returning to direct (but only because he is too busy with X Men), but all of the relevant original cast are, plus they've added Jim Carrey too - hardly a DTV-type low rent actor.
Kick-Ass, remember, was seen as a huge disappointment when it was released.
Rodger Ebert,one of Americas top respected critics gave it 1 star out of 10,so it bombed.Hitgirl didn't go down too well.Empire gave it 5/5.Excellent film.
I'm a little worried as to what he gives Dredd,although he liked Robocop.
Quote from: James Stacey on 19 September, 2012, 10:12:44 AM
The problem with a sequel spawned from long tail sales is that it probably wont have the same cast and / or crew. It will have Kevin Sorbo or someone else cheap as Dredd.
No,no! Not Dean Cain. :D
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 19 September, 2012, 10:43:08 AMI'm a little worried as to what he gives Dredd,although he liked Robocop.
He gave Total Recall a 3/5, and so I'd be surprised if Dredd didn't get the same or better. Depends if he slams it for gore, I guess.
The remake? Might be alright then.....fingers crossed.
This really sucks:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19646290
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 19 September, 2012, 02:14:13 PM
This really sucks:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19646290
Why ? A 28% drop is pretty froody moves.
There's less than 100K between 3, 4 and 5.
It's just an angle - and as has been said that amount of dropoff is actually good, compared to Total Recall which was above 60%.
Yep, apparently comic book/genre movies generally drop 60-70% on their second weekend (which is I suspect what will happen to Sweeney next week), so that right there is evidence of word of mouth in action.
Quite. 50% is standard across most movies, and so Dredd's drop is relatively small. Also, bear in mind this is a hard 18, and so the expectation was that the audience would be heavily front-loaded. Frankly, a 28% drop is pretty spectacular.
30% drop is great for Dredd, I feelings the Sweeney will be worse drop next week.
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 September, 2012, 02:18:37 PM
There's less than 100K between 3, 4 and 5.
It's just an angle - and as has been said that amount of dropoff is actually good, compared to Total Recall which was above 60%.
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Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2012, 02:48:03 PM
Quite. 50% is standard across most movies, and so Dredd's drop is relatively small. Also, bear in mind this is a hard 18, and so the expectation was that the audience would be heavily front-loaded. Frankly, a 28% drop is pretty spectacular.
And This^
I'm actually pretty optimistic. Dredd just needs a long run in the states (hopefully with lots of 2D screenings available) and this will do well- given the chance quite a few people will see this twice methinks
Quotegiven the chance quite a few people will see this twice methinks
It's weird, I have witnessed through Twitter and first hand with people I know - a hell of a lot of people, having seen Dredd, have said they intend to see the film again.
I've never really encountered that before.
I think it being so tight and short really helps it in this way - I doubt many viewers came out of The Dark Knight Rises thinking "I really need to sit through that again".
My local cineworld (Ashford) has added a 2D print to its showings of Dredd, which should bring a few more punters in or those put off by 3D.
Cineworld listings for next week are up, other than 3 showings this Sunday it's still on 4 screenings a day. I've seen quite big profile films drop to way less after just one week so that's got to be a sign that it's having a good week.
The day showings at Vue are gone next week,still 3 a day though.
Quote from: radiator on 19 September, 2012, 04:41:46 PM
Quotegiven the chance quite a few people will see this twice methinks
It's weird, I have witnessed through Twitter and first hand with people I know - a hell of a lot of people, having seen Dredd, have said they intend to see the film again.
I've never really encountered that before.
I think it being so tight and short really helps it in this way - I doubt many viewers came out of The Dark Knight Rises thinking "I really need to sit through that again".
Well hows this.Just went and picked up my weekly fix from WH Smiths, and last time the girl serving said she wanted to go see Dredd.Today I asked if she'd seen it and enjoyed it and actually said 'Yeah,it was great ,miles better than than the first one.
I actually want to go and see it again'
I recommended she did ;)
Point is Dredd just needs
time to breath in the states and I think it'll make it.
'breathe'
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 September, 2012, 11:42:25 AM
He gave Total Recall a 3/5, and so I'd be surprised if Dredd didn't get the same or better. Depends if he slams it for gore, I guess.
He tends not to like relentlessly exciting films, IIRC he couldn't stomach Aliens.
Also spending 90 minutes staring at a dude's jaw could make him really uncomfortable.
The Vue Xtreme in Westfield still has day showings next week. Also, four a day total.
all this talk of demographics and target audiences. my mum (64) and her sister (early 50s) have just come back from watching the film and absolutely loved it.
Mum likes the fantasy type films (mummy, clash of titans, transformers, etc) so i was surprised she took to a cert 18 so well. either that or she secretly loves a bit of judge on perp action?
Most theaters here are showing in both formats. Two different screens. That's good. Anyone hoping for a long run is going to be disappointed. Lots of movies being released here every weekend. At least four this weekend alone. Dredd needs to do some business before it's moved on.
Dredd vs. Anna Karenina
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OoRZymrM6iE/UFoK6WPBdUI/AAAAAAAABM4/tzGvLTB2Nao/s1600/dredd_vs_anna.png)
http://brunez.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/dredd-vs-anna-karenina.html
cool steam engine
Quotecool steam engine
Chimneys too big!
Quote from: blackmocco on 19 September, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
Most theaters here are showing in both formats. Two different screens. That's good. Anyone hoping for a long run is going to be disappointed. Lots of movies being released here every weekend. At least four this weekend alone. Dredd needs to do some business before it's moved on.
Very pleased its showing in both formats, that will undoutedly help, the second bit is bad news.So its got to hit the ground running then.
My sixth viewing tonight. Orange Wednesday at cineworld and Dredd was on the smaller screen, but good turn out at the 20.20 showing. At least seventy people and very appreciative! :)
Dredd currently at no. 5 in the UK box office list. :(
From BBC News:
"Dredd - the first 18 certificate film to top the UK and Ireland chart since 2010 - took £769,381 in its second weekend of release and fell four places to five.
Based on cult 2000AD character Judge Dredd, its earnings from 415 locations were down 27% on its opening weekend."
Am i the only one thinking this is really bad news?
PS. Should add - one of the greatest films i've ever seen, alot of people at work are saying it's the film of the year - It should be higher in the charts, dammit!!!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 19 September, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
My sixth viewing tonight.
One more and you'll equal my total for the original version of Star Wars!
Quote from: Woolly on 20 September, 2012, 01:25:24 AM
Dredd currently at no. 5 in the UK box office list. :(
From BBC News:
"Dredd - the first 18 certificate film to top the UK and Ireland chart since 2010 - took £769,381 in its second weekend of release and fell four places to five.
Based on cult 2000AD character Judge Dredd, its earnings from 415 locations were down 27% on its opening weekend."
Am i the only one thinking this is really bad news?
Yeah, you are. You're worrying too soon. Most films drop off significantly after their first weekend and it's only been opened in a few countries so far, and has already hit the top spot in the cinema charts. That's massive press for the bigger markets like the US. I'm in Canada and the "no.1 in the UK" is being advertised here, and ads for it are all over the tv. Until it's finished it's entire cinema run everywhere, and it's been out on DVD as well for 6 months, then it's worth counting the total. But I'm betting the massive, brilliant critical reception it's had alone will encourage the backers to shell out for at least one sequel regardless - the great press and the popularity it will build in cinema and on DVD and download will ensure a sequel makes bigger box office. We've not seen the last of Dredd on the big screen, mark my words.
I wouldn't panic but I wouldn't be too enthusiastic either. Lawless and Anna Kerenina also fell but less than Dredd, and Dredd has 3D takings that should - theoretically - have kept it in a higher position. So even though there's very little difference in takings, there's a significantly higher amount of people choosing to see those other two films.
Ultimately, having been no. 1 in the UK should help some when it comes to US promotion, especially when coupled with the enthusiastic reviews the film has been getting. However, I'd be very surprised (and happy!) to see it get to $50 million in the US box office. It's competition in the US is pretty tough; there's that End of Watch cop film that's been getting stellar reviews, sci-fi film Looper (equally stellar) and The Master (stellar stellar reviews and breaking a few records along the way). All of which have star lead/s and none of them are in 3D! :-\
I honestly think that 50 million figure was a mistake by Garland to talk about because we're all fixating on it now. There's movies that have been far less successfully monetarily than Dredd will have been by end of run and less critically well received also, that have still got sequels. Considering the massive, huge critically positive buzz Dredd has got and making number 1 in Britain even if nowhere else, I'm sure that with what the investors make back from its total worldwide cinema run and it's earnings on DVD and download sell through that it'll be well worth them backing a sequel. What good word and critical praise Dredd has earned already alone guarantees that as that word spreads over the next year to two years, any sequel would garner much more attention and therefore higher box office. There's gonna be a sequel. Maybe only one instead of the two we hope for, but there will be a sequel. Mark Ol' Hap's words on it.
Quote from: golledge100 on 19 September, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Quotecool steam engine
Chimneys too big!
Excellent work, sir!
FWIW: it was moved to a bigger screen in the Inverness Vue on the second week.
Quote from: Hap Hazzard on 20 September, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
I honestly think that 50 million figure was a mistake by Garland to talk about because we're all fixating on it now.
If 'we' are, it's because 'we're' idiots. He was very clear that there were a lot of variables that would be necessary to make a sequel work, but he was also clear that less than $50M at the US box office would make it pretty much impossible to find a US distributor for a sequel and that would be the end of that. Alex knows more about getting movies made than the entirety of this board put together so I'm going to take his word for it.
Cheers
Jim
http://www.iftn.ie/distribution/boxoffice/irishweeklyboxoffice2012/sublinks_static/irishboxoffice14-%2016september/
Dismal performace in Ireland.
I think there should have been a better response to this in Ireland.
Shows our bad taste in movies since The Three Stooges performed better nearly every week compared to Dredd.
Blame the local lack of advertising on TV, no advertising in the cinema itself and general lack of awareness of the reboot since its been out. This is the Irish case. I understand we are a small market and it makes sense to put the money in the American and to a lesser extent the UK markets.
Shame as the character of Dredd is well known. :(
I really want Dredd to do well as a reward to it's makers more than anything. The thought of a sequel is sort of terrifying as the stakes are so high.
We now have one really good, universally praised, instant cult classic of a Dredd film. Hoping for a sequel to live up to that seems a bit of a pipe dream. Alex has already said that in all likelyhood, if there is a sequel, someone else will write it. A bigger budget means more studio control - we'd probably be looking at a 15 or 12 certificate. If a sequel gets made and it tanks - or even if it just isn't as good as the first then we're in a worse position than we are at the moment. I mentioned up thread about '28 Days Later' which I think is DNAs biggest success to date; it got a sequel '28 Weeks Later' which was nowhere near as good as the first - not written by Alex - and it came and went with a whimper. I wouldn't want that for Dredd.
I honestly think the best thing for Dredd isn't a sequel to this cracker of a film that's received a more universally positive response than we had any right to expect, but for the IDW comic to be a success in the US.
Sorry as got daily WUMO cartoon, this make me chuckle cos of cinema prices...
(http://wumocomicstrip.com/img/strip/-WM_strip_DK_20120920.jpg)
Quote from: JamesC on 20 September, 2012, 09:00:14 AMWe now have one really good, universally praised, instant cult classic of a Dredd film. Hoping for a sequel to live up to that seems a bit of a pipe dream. Alex has already said that in all likelyhood, if there is a sequel, someone else will write it. A bigger budget means more studio control
Will you definitely make the trilogy?
We have to wait to see if people want it. Alex has a very good idea for Dredd's journey in this world. It would be an exciting thing to be done. We've nailed a style and found in Karl Urban an absolutely magic Judge Dredd...if it happens, it will be Alex Garland writing the trilogy and Karl Urban playing the lead. It will be something that we will do again in partnership with IM Global. I am sure that, if it works, it's something that all the distributors will want to do again. It's just a case of waiting till the end of September.
http://www.screendaily.com/reports/one-on-one/andrew-macdonald/5046694.article?blocktitle=One-On-One&contentID=1799
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: JamesC on 20 September, 2012, 09:00:14 AMWe now have one really good, universally praised, instant cult classic of a Dredd film. Hoping for a sequel to live up to that seems a bit of a pipe dream. Alex has already said that in all likelyhood, if there is a sequel, someone else will write it. A bigger budget means more studio control
Will you definitely make the trilogy?
We have to wait to see if people want it. Alex has a very good idea for Dredd's journey in this world. It would be an exciting thing to be done. We've nailed a style and found in Karl Urban an absolutely magic Judge Dredd...if it happens, it will be Alex Garland writing the trilogy and Karl Urban playing the lead. It will be something that we will do again in partnership with IM Global. I am sure that, if it works, it's something that all the distributors will want to do again. It's just a case of waiting till the end of September.
http://www.screendaily.com/reports/one-on-one/andrew-macdonald/5046694.article?blocktitle=One-On-One&contentID=1799
Well that's a bit of comfort. I was pretty sure that in Alex's response to the message board he'd said he was unlikely to write a sequel even though he had ideas? Maybe he'd plot but someone else would actually write the script?
Maybe I'm just misremembering.
I think he's being cautious but I don't see DNA of Karl doing it without him.
When will we get an indication of how well Dredd has done over its American opening weekend? Momday morning?
Honest, it would get 500 to 800 Deaf people to view it at cinema if there is subtitled screenings of Dredd!
I blamed the cinema chains for useless fail, on the plus side, more in DVD sell!
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 20 September, 2012, 08:11:05 AMIf 'we' are, it's because 'we're' idiots. He was very clear that there were a lot of variables that would be necessary to make a sequel work, but he was also clear that less than $50M at the US box office would make it pretty much impossible to find a US distributor for a sequel and that would be the end of that.
Plus he and Urban have said dozens of times that $50m in the US is a big ask, and there's a strong possibility we'll end up with a single cult film. I can't recall a single interview where they've been asked about sequels where massive caveats of this and the sort you mentioned haven't been clearly stated.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 09:39:15 AM
When will we get an indication of how well Dredd has done over its American opening weekend? Momday morning?
More like Monday evening allowing for the time difference to the West Coast. 6PM here is only 10am there.
Quote from: judge devs on 20 September, 2012, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 09:39:15 AM
When will we get an indication of how well Dredd has done over its American opening weekend? Momday morning?
More like Monday evening allowing for the time difference to the West Coast. 6PM here is only 10am there.
Although estimates normally appear on Sunday afternoon.
That's true they usually have the Friday and Saturday data by then don't they. They're way more on the ball about that sort stuff then the UK is. I've struggled to find accuarte info about Dredd here until Tuesday morning. But I suppose they would be considering how much bigger the market is and how much of the industry is in the States.
I think it will be the second weekend when or if word of mouth has played a part,I'm not expecting unbelievable numbers first time but less of a drop and a stronger than average 2nd weekend.Saying that an R is not as restrictive as an 18 so who knows.
A week tomorrow and this finally gets released here in Norway... I'll do my best to give it a bump but I don't expect it to do massive business here. Still, I'm thankful it's being released at all - the wait since the UK release has been unbearable... One. More. Week...
I think US opening weekend will be fairy weak, sadly - around $10-15m. BUT as others have said I think it'll do what it did in the UK and will hold thanks to word of mouth - and take another $10-12m second weekend. I think it'll stand at about $30-35m after two weeks of release.
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Quote from: radiator on 20 September, 2012, 12:39:38 PM
I think US opening weekend will be fairy weak, sadly - around $10-15m. BUT as others have said I think it'll do what it did in the UK and will hold thanks to word of mouth - and take another $10-12m second weekend. I think it'll stand at about $30-35m after two weeks of release.
Given the way US cinemas usually treat British releases, I'd be surprised if it got a second week in many places if it bombs in week one. (Note: I'm not sure what a 'bomb' would be in this context. Serenity did, what, about $10m on opening weekend?)
So, odds of Dredd opening at no.1 in the us box office?
Tbh, I think it has a shot, but I reckon House at the End of the Street will get the top spot.
I think top 3 is realistic, though.
Looper will take it I think.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Looper will take it I think.
That's not out until the following week.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Home video releases are not as important as they used to be. Netflix etc. have taken a chunk of that income.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 20 September, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Looper will take it I think.
That's not out until the following week.
(http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/Lordofwar918/burns-excellent.gif)
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 20 September, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
Looper will take it I think.
That's not out until the following week.
:) Then Dredd might be in with a shot,I thought it was the same week....interesting.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Home video releases are not as important as they used to be. Netflix etc. have taken a chunk of that income.
Bugger,They must get some from that though? I'm not up on Netflix and all that stuff.
Or folk with NetFlix don'r buy DVD's anymore, Just got up it's still morning in my head.
I can't speak for anyone else, but my Blu-Ray buying has dropped a lot - they obviously do get something for netflix use but I don't know how it is calculated.
Makes sense.
Quote from: radiator on 20 September, 2012, 01:18:54 PM
So, odds of Dredd opening at no.1 in the us box office?
Tbh, I think it has a shot, but I reckon House at the End of the Street will get the top spot.
I think top 3 is realistic, though.
I think the grumpy Clint Eastwood movie Trouble with the Curve and House at the End of the Street will finish 1 & 2. Number 3 will probably be a close race between Dredd and End of Watch.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 08:42:42 AM
http://www.iftn.ie/distribution/boxoffice/irishweeklyboxoffice2012/sublinks_static/irishboxoffice14-%2016september/
Dismal performace in Ireland.
I think there should have been a better response to this in Ireland.
The film was not available in the majority of cinemas in Ireland. Certainly not in Dublin where there are only a few cinemas showing Dredd. I think there is some kind of distribution dispute with whoever Dredd's distributors are and the cinema chains. I had to hunt about for a show last weekend. The take here was always going to be low with less screens than normal for a new movie showing. A low take in Ireland will not put much of a dent in the worldwide box office.
I struggle to get my head round the idea that a film like Dredd can be financed without hope, from the backers' point of view , that it could be a moneyspinner for the first and any subsequent installments. Obviously I'm beyond thrilled it did happen. Was it simply a case of get in, hope to make a small profit on one film only, and get out?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
Home video releases are not as important as they used to be. Netflix etc. have taken a chunk of that income.
Bugger,They must get some from that though? I'm not up on Netflix and all that stuff.
With Netflix and similar services, the profit margin as far as the studio is concerned is mere cents per sale/rental/download. By contrast, they earn several dollars per sold DVD and Blu-ray.
Alas, sales of physical media has nosedived in recent years, for reasons ranging from priacy to something as mundane as people running out of shelf space. The end result remains the same, the time when DVD sales would push a movie into profitablility is long since over.
Quote from: flesario on 20 September, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
I struggle to get my head round the idea that a film like Dredd can be financed without hope, from the backers' point of view , that it could be a moneyspinner for the first and any subsequent installments. Obviously I'm beyond thrilled it did happen. Was it simply a case of get in, hope to make a small profit on one film only, and get out?
I believe that the majority of movies are deemed a 'success' if everyone gets paid! A handful make megabucks, most struggle to cover their costs. I suppose the people who make a movie are happy to be in gainful employment while making it.
I think Dredd will make a heap of money in the US by the way... (fingers crossed)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/20/Box-Office-Predictions-Dredd-Battles-The-Curve-Jennifer-Lawrence-Shines-Again
Prediction
1. "Trouble With The Curve" ($17 Million)
2. "House at the End of the Street" ($15 million)
3. "Dredd 3D" ($11.5 million)
4. "Finding Nemo 3D" ($10 Million)
5. "End Of Watch" ($9.4 Million)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Kick-Ass made $50 miilion at the US box-office, I 'm sure that didn't go unnoticed.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 September, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/20/Box-Office-Predictions-Dredd-Battles-The-Curve-Jennifer-Lawrence-Shines-Again
Prediction
1. "Trouble With The Curve" ($17 Million)
2. "House at the End of the Street" ($15 million)
3. "Dredd 3D" ($11.5 million)
4. "Finding Nemo 3D" ($10 Million)
5. "End Of Watch" ($9.4 Million)
[/quote dredd vs eastwood funny :D lets just see what happens after the weekend i think dredd is gunna surprise a lot of people stateside
I thought the comment about them turning out to see Eastwood after that Obama empty chair speech was a bit odd.
Not sure since it was widely mocked as a WTF moment, that people would want to see more of him out of curiosity, or would put them off.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Kick-Ass made $50 miilion at the US box-office, I 'm sure that didn't go unnoticed.
I'm also pretty certain it had a smaller budget then that as well, even with Nick Cage being in it.
Quote from: hazy efc on 20 September, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 September, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/20/Box-Office-Predictions-Dredd-Battles-The-Curve-Jennifer-Lawrence-Shines-Again
Prediction
1. "Trouble With The Curve" ($17 Million)
2. "House at the End of the Street" ($15 million)
3. "Dredd 3D" ($11.5 million)
4. "Finding Nemo 3D" ($10 Million)
5. "End Of Watch" ($9.4 Million)
[/quote dredd vs eastwood funny :D lets just see what happens after the weekend i think dredd is gunna surprise a lot of people stateside
If it means anything, the only reason I as a US citizen know ANY of those movies are even opening this month is because they are on the same night as Dredd... so none of them are getting any buzz at all.
Quote from: karl on 20 September, 2012, 05:40:27 PM
Quote from: hazy efc on 20 September, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: CraveNoir on 20 September, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/20/Box-Office-Predictions-Dredd-Battles-The-Curve-Jennifer-Lawrence-Shines-Again
Prediction
1. "Trouble With The Curve" ($17 Million)
2. "House at the End of the Street" ($15 million)
3. "Dredd 3D" ($11.5 million)
4. "Finding Nemo 3D" ($10 Million)
5. "End Of Watch" ($9.4 Million)
[/quote dredd vs eastwood funny :D lets just see what happens after the weekend i think dredd is gunna surprise a lot of people stateside
If it means anything, the only reason I as a US citizen know ANY of those movies are even opening this month is because they are on the same night as Dredd... so none of them are getting any buzz at all.
Jennifer Lawrence's boobs is one of those movies that's probably going to be #1 despite it clearly being so shit the makers haven't allowed it to be reviewed. Always a bad sign. Bizarrely enough, that flaming red flag won't stop people going to see it in their droves. Living proof reviews don't mean shit when it comes to box office.
Eastwood's an American icon, speaking to a chair notwithstanding, so I'm not surprised it's being predicted to do well. People love him and it's something you could bring your granny to.
Sadly, this looks about right for the weekend box office although I've a pretty gnarly feeling End Of Watch is going to be #3 and Dredd's going to be #5. Hope I'm wrong...
Quote from: judge devs on 20 September, 2012, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
Kick-Ass made $50 miilion at the US box-office, I 'm sure that didn't go unnoticed.
I'm also pretty certain it had a smaller budget then that as well, even with Nick Cage being in it.
Nik Cage gets his cock out for a fiver now
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 September, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 20 September, 2012, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 20 September, 2012, 12:48:01 PM
Not forgetting DVD/BLU,films have been green lit on those sales,like Kick Ass 2.
http://screenrant.com/kick-ass-2-greenlit-mark-millar-benk-76285/
It could be ages before we find out.
LOL, Sounds like a resident of Bath to me!
Kick-Ass made $50 miilion at the US box-office, I 'm sure that didn't go unnoticed.
I'm also pretty certain it had a smaller budget then that as well, even with Nick Cage being in it.
Nik Cage gets his cock out for a fiver now
Kick-Ass cost $60,000,000. Half of that could be marketing.
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/kick-ass-2010?q=kick-ass
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 08:54:13 AM
Shows our bad taste in movies since The Three Stooges performed better nearly every week compared to Dredd.
Blame the local lack of advertising on TV, no advertising in the cinema itself and general lack of awareness of the reboot since its been out. This is the Irish case. I understand we are a small market and it makes sense to put the money in the American and to a lesser extent the UK markets.
Shame as the character of Dredd is well known. :(
Relatively speaking, Ireland has one of the biggest cinema-going populations. When The Guard got to No.2 in the UK box office, it had
only been released in the Republic of Ireland (the tallies for the UK box office often include the whole of Ireland, as films tend to be released at the same time in both countries).
I'm not sure how many screens Dredd was actually in compared to stuff like Brave and Paranorman.
Yeah, but.
(http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed)
There was zero promotion for Dredd in Ireland despite having the largest going cinema audience, proportionally. Entertainment Films are responsible for promotion in both the UK & Ireland but certain cinemas and chains like Savoy, IMC don't deal with them.
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 07:27:52 PM
Yeah, but.
(http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed)
Doh.
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed)
Quote from: Steve Green on 20 September, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/mrs-browns-boys/21502/mrs-browns-boys-the-movie-confirmed)
Oh I thought
she was Scottish? :-\
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/box-office-oracle-trouble-with-the-curve-will-slide-pass-dredd/
Another prediction:
1 - Trouble with the Curve - 16.2m
2 - Dredd 3D - 14.4m
3 - House at the End of the Street - 12.3m
4 - Finding Nemo 3D - 9.2m
5 - End of Watch - 7.5m
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 08:42:42 AM
http://www.iftn.ie/distribution/boxoffice/irishweeklyboxoffice2012/sublinks_static/irishboxoffice14-%2016september/
Dismal performace in Ireland.
I think there should have been a better response to this in Ireland.
There were no press screenings in Ireland - this tends to make people assume it's not a very good film. (Apology if this point has already been made).
Quote from: soggy on 20 September, 2012, 07:48:10 PM
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 08:42:42 AM
http://www.iftn.ie/distribution/boxoffice/irishweeklyboxoffice2012/sublinks_static/irishboxoffice14-%2016september/
Dismal performace in Ireland.
I think there should have been a better response to this in Ireland.
There were no press screenings in Ireland - this tends to make people assume it's not a very good film. (Apology if this point has already been made).
Zero publicity full-stop, still haven't seen a single poster, and the film itself not taken up by all the cinema chains, as explained by Joe upthread.
It's either going to live or die on word of mouth in the longer term. This may be a sentence delivered directly from the depths of my arsehole, but it feels like a slow burner.
I'm not sure I want a sequel if its going to degenerate into fanwank like the proposed sequels/comic stuff in general. I got what I was after, which was a legit great movie.
You're in trouble if you're a Dredd fan from County Kerry as you can only see DREDD in Dingle!
Never realised how bad the situation was till I started seeing how many cinemas even in Cork are showing it. Only 5 in the whole county showing in 3D (2 Reel Picture and 3 Gate Cinema-one being in the town I'm living in) and 2 other outlets showing in 2D....what a disgrace!
Now I can understand the low numbers now.
What exactly is the nature of the problem that Entertainment Film UK has it with the other cinemas?
Not sure how many cinemas in Ireland have the capability of showing 3D films. Presumably just the big ones in Dublin, Cork, Kerry, Galway?
I know the city centre cinema in Cork has refunded a lot of people because the screen they were showing Dredd on had projector/sound faults throughout. So there's that. (3D costs more and yet they show the film in the faulty screen? Good work!) The only other option then is to make the trek out to Mahon Point where the cinema prices are incredibly high, and even moreso for 3D. Most people will sadly choose the cheaper option of something like Lawless and wait for Dredd on DVD.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 20 September, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
Not sure how many cinemas in Ireland have the capability of showing 3D films. Presumably just the big ones in Dublin, Cork, Kerry, Galway?
I know the city centre cinema in Cork has refunded a lot of people because the screen they were showing Dredd on had projector/sound faults throughout. So there's that. (3D costs more and yet they show the film in the faulty screen? Good work!) The only other option then is to make the trek out to Mahon Point where the cinema prices are incredibly high, and even moreso for 3D. Most people will sadly choose the cheaper option of something like Lawless and wait for Dredd on DVD.
I believe that Mahon Point wasn't showing Dredd as the brother was heading that direction to see it but wasn't showing it so he had to go to Ballincollig.
What did Entertainment do to fuck everyone off so royally?
I have just thought of something that may damage Dredd's US opening. The competition in films that week I think it can hold it's own against, but there is a popular video game Borderlands 2 coming out the same day. Not sure how it would affect it but I imagine that a lot of the people Lionsgate were trying to target would be comic book fans, which probably means they play video games as well.
If they went down the route of worrying about what people were spending on other mediums, the film would never get released.
Quote from: jamesedwards on 20 September, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
I'm not sure I want a sequel if its going to degenerate into fanwank like the proposed sequels/comic stuff in general. I got what I was after, which was a legit great movie.
Blapshemy!Burn Him!
No, seriously if you liked the first one (and hopefully it is the first one) you need to give them bit more trust that they could hadle any sequels right.The subject matter they choose is less important than HOW they portray it.Lots of proposed/finished films sound off on paper (th Matix sounds bonkers) but its how its presented that matters.Origins, democratic terrorists, even the Dark Judges could be done well, it just depends how its done.I would definately would want the same team to do any sequels.
Lads, I've found out the reason for Dredd's poor performance in Ireland:
(http://studioab.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/father_ted_001_003_002_0011.jpg)
Borderlands II is not a big enough title to effect Dredds box office, not in the slightest.
Clint movie is a bit of unknown but quite a lot of people are pretty pissed at him at the moment which is still fresh.
Jennifer Laurence flick not screened for critics, which may mean nothing but makes it a hell of a lot less threatening.
End of Watch may do well but it won't come near the top.
The Master may get a fair bit of box office.
I think its actually pretty hard to predict who will come where this week, everything kinda has some thing going against it that might turn audiences off, nothing is really a cert. Always like that in the dump months.
Quote from: painbros22 on 20 September, 2012, 11:30:49 PM
The Master may get a fair bit of box office.
The Master is not really in competition with the rest as it's only opening in 788 screens. They're aiming for the marathon rather than the sprint.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 20 September, 2012, 09:46:16 PM
Quote from: PreacherCain on 20 September, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
Not sure how many cinemas in Ireland have the capability of showing 3D films. Presumably just the big ones in Dublin, Cork, Kerry, Galway?
I know the city centre cinema in Cork has refunded a lot of people because the screen they were showing Dredd on had projector/sound faults throughout. So there's that. (3D costs more and yet they show the film in the faulty screen? Good work!) The only other option then is to make the trek out to Mahon Point where the cinema prices are incredibly high, and even moreso for 3D. Most people will sadly choose the cheaper option of something like Lawless and wait for Dredd on DVD.
I believe that Mahon Point wasn't showing Dredd as the brother was heading that direction to see it but wasn't showing it so he had to go to Ballincollig.
From another forum, found this in a general thread about the cinema:
"I tried to go see Dredd last Friday at the gate only to be told the showing was cancelled due to technical problems and they couldn't tell me when it would be fixed.
Went back on Sunday to watch it and was warned on the way into it about the sound issues. The girl at the ticket counter also told us if the sound annoyed us we could walk out and get a refund. The clipping/distortion during the action scenes was a bit annoying but we stayed for the whole thing anyway."
So clearly it was an issue that they had throughout the weekend. A lot of non-kids 3D movies aren't getting supported by the cinemas anymore either because people dislike it so much (from my discussions with friends who work in Cork/Dublin cinemas!)
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 20 September, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
I have just thought of something that may damage Dredd's US opening. The competition in films that week I think it can hold it's own against, but there is a popular video game Borderlands 2 coming out the same day. Not sure how it would affect it but I imagine that a lot of the people Lionsgate were trying to target would be comic book fans, which probably means they play video games as well.
borderlands2 came out on tue in the states
I don't think that'll really be a problem. Some of my friends are the biggest Borderlands fans out there, when I look at my steam window at least four or five are playing Borderlands 2 all the time. And we're all seeing Dredd on Friday. Even gamers can pull themselves away from a new game at least once a week. :P
Quote from: pops1983 on 20 September, 2012, 11:28:19 PM
Lads, I've found out the reason for Dredd's poor performance in Ireland:
(http://studioab.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/father_ted_001_003_002_0011.jpg)
haha nice 1
That's a relief!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
If they went down the route of worrying about what people were spending on other mediums, the film would never get released.
Yeah, let's concentrate on one thing at a time. Dredd will bomb or not regardless of how much we over-thnk it.
Shitty speculation http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=67603
Quote from: Stan on 21 September, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 September, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
If they went down the route of worrying about what people were spending on other mediums, the film would never get released.
Yeah, let's concentrate on one thing at a time. Dredd will bomb or not regardless of how much we over-thnk it.
Yeah, I did think for a moment he has a point. My office has a ton of folk all desperate to play Borderlands 2 tonight, so if Dredd was out here this weekend then it would be a hard sell getting any of them to go to it.
Saying that, it's already been out for a few days in the states so folks are probably ready for a break.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 21 September, 2012, 02:21:10 AM
Shitty speculation http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=67603
Wow, theres some pretty lazy and entrenched views on show in those comments, ::)
Like the one from somebody saying " yeah, word of mouth is good, but ill watch it when it lands on dvd" Blimey, dont knock yersen out Fella.
Still, all the lazy comments were much on show when the trailer first hit, and theyve been largely silenced now.
Every film has its nay-sayers and bashers, we just notice them all the more due to being so invested in Dredd. :)
US box office projections for the first weekend seem to be ranging $9-13m [Variety, EW, boxofficeguru, boxofficeprophets, et al.]...
Well.. Predictions are always a bit of a gamble. Ask Harold Camping..
I haven't been keeping track of the Rotten figures but I think American reviewers have kncoked it down by around 10%. Currently at 76..
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dredd_3d/
The audience percentage remains pretty much the same though.
@ian_sandwell:Dredd has made £3.3m in the UK.
Quote from: Stan on 21 September, 2012, 02:45:25 PM
I haven't been keeping track of the Rotten figures but I think American reviewers have kncoked it down by around 10%. Currently at 76..
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dredd_3d/
The audience percentage remains pretty much the same though.
what are some of these american reviewers whatcin
Quote from: hazy efc on 21 September, 2012, 03:15:21 PM
what are some of these american reviewers whatcin
Some remake of the raid with this Judge Dread guy..
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 21 September, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
@ian_sandwell:Dredd has made £3.3m in the UK.
I wonder if that's above or below UK expectations?
Quote from: DarkDaysBish-OP on 21 September, 2012, 02:40:21 PM
US box office projections for the first weekend seem to be ranging $9-13m [Variety, EW, boxofficeguru, boxofficeprophets, et al.]...
Are those just speculation or are they going on pre-bookings or something? That's pretty low.
Guesswork and twitter.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 September, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
Guesswork and twitter.
And some of this too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhrpD1x8zo
TheOneRing.net is reporting that The Hobbit's trailer is playing with Dredd 3D in its 3D format
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/21/62113-hobbit-trailer-playing-with-dredd-3-d/ (http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/09/21/62113-hobbit-trailer-playing-with-dredd-3-d/)
(They also give a kind word to Derdd as "well worth the ticket price")
Hopefully that mght add a few numers State-side.
Hollywood Reporter say that "early returns suggest that Dredd might finish with $ 7-8 million this weekend"
Fucksticks :'(
That is too bad to hear, I'd love sequels of course, and it would've been nice if this caught on.
But yeah, this kind of topic I have to say, it's just a bit harsh that fans need to worry about the business end. Art that isn't made with mass appeal, something that is doing something special that speaks to some but not all, won't necessarily be making many millions at the box office.
Once in a while something fringe does catch on and make tons of money, but yeah, art and money, it's a messy relationship. None the less, this is a great movie.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 22 September, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
Hollywood Reporter say that "early returns suggest that Dredd might finish with $ 7-8 million this weekend"
Fucksticks :'(
Lets just wait and see expect the worse and the best always happens
Strangely enough I didn't think the Yanks would 'get' the movie, too grim and downbeat for their chirpie 'everything resolved at the end' world view (sweeping generalality I know), however i think it will be a slow burner and will get the cash back in the long haul as it finds its audience by word of mouth and fan/cult comments.
Based on nothing, I think the French may like it!!
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 September, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
Strangely enough I didn't think the Yanks would 'get' the movie, too grim and downbeat for their chirpie 'everything resolved at the end' world view (sweeping generalality I know), however i think it will be a slow burner and will get the cash back in the long haul as it finds its audience by word of mouth and fan/cult comments.
Based on nothing, I think the French may like it!!
People are people, period. If you know you're making sweeping generalizations, you know what you're saying is pointless.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 September, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
Strangely enough I didn't think the Yanks would 'get' the movie, too grim and downbeat for their chirpie 'everything resolved at the end' world view (sweeping generalality I know), however i think it will be a slow burner and will get the cash back in the long haul as it finds its audience by word of mouth and fan/cult comments.
Based on nothing, I think the French may like it!!
Indeed. That's the kind of thing they do in Russia.
People are people, period. If you know you're making sweeping generalizations, you know what you're saying is pointless.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 September, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
Strangely enough I didn't think the Yanks would 'get' the movie
Well, it's certainly not a sweeping generalisation to observe the US has consistently failed to 'get' Dredd the comic character for the last 35 years, so it should hardly come as a surprise that they would similarly fail to get a film adaptation that successfully captured the essence of a character they just don't seem to understand and/or care for.
(Note that I believe the derision and scorn heaped on the Stallone version of the movie, although widely characterised as being the result of its massive liberties with the source material, is actually the result of it
just not being a very good film.)
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 September, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
Strangely enough I didn't think the Yanks would 'get' the movie
Well, it's certainly not a sweeping generalisation to observe the US has consistently failed to 'get' Dredd the comic character for the last 35 years, so it should hardly come as a surprise that they would similarly fail to get a film adaptation that successfully captured the essence of a character they just don't seem to understand and/or care for.
Just by boiling down everyone in the US as "the US" and saying they have failed to get Dredd is generalizing. And pointless, yes. Sure, we often import the product directly from across the pond, and sure we're spread out across a larger land mass.
What you're saying is still pointlessly divisive, and not even factual.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 22 September, 2012, 11:29:30 AM
the French may like it
Has it come to this?, a sad day indeed ;)
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 12:24:01 PM
What you're saying is still pointlessly divisive, and not even factual.
Nonsense. Stop being so defensive. It is an undeniable fact that Dredd, despite being one of the UK's most enduring comic characters, has notably failed to gain much traction in the US despite numerous efforts including allowing various US creators to fuck with the basic elements of the strip as in the DC Dredds and repackaging the reprints with stellar creators' names across the front, with little success.
Given that if you present Dredd to a US audience as is, he fails to get much of a response, and if you fuck about with the character then present him to a US audience, he fails to get much of a response, it would suggest to me that there is something fundamental and cultural that is intrinsic to Dredd that US audiences either don't 'get' or don't care for. Just look at the way the film's Rotten Tomatoes rating plummetted when the mainstream US reviews started to come in...
Cheers
Jim
The best early reviews were all from the US.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 September, 2012, 12:46:06 PM
The best early reviews were all from the US.
You'll note I said
mainstream reviews, which was somewhat central to my point about Dredd failing to find a
wide audience. Contrast with the fact that the film received excellent reviews in the UK from The Guardian
and The Sun.
I'm not saying that
no Americans
ever get Dredd, I'm speculating that the failure of Dredd to gain any significant audience for the comics and, it seems, the film in either faithful representations or ones more distorted to suit a
perceived US market suggests that there's something fundamental in the character which doesn't connect culturally with an American audience.
Cheers
Jim
Yeah, those Yanks are a strange lot, alright. I mean, even after the shitty Stallone movie, once-in-a-while reprints, and a foreign anthology comic that you cant find for love nor money, they still refuse to 'get' Dredd.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 12:51:50 PMI'm not saying that no Americans ever get Dredd, I'm speculating that the failure of Dredd to gain any significant audience for the comics and, it seems, the film in either faithful representations or ones more distorted to suit a perceived US market suggests that there's something fundamental in the character which doesn't connect culturally with an American audience.
For one thing, the definition of a significant audience. By placing higher expectations on America because it has a larger popular, it's not necessarily a fair comparison. Let's say an equal amount of Dredd fans existed in America as in the UK. Would you still say they're not significant, just because that's a low proportion? If we're going by numbers, do you consider your own country to be an insignificant audience?
Just saying, since Dredd will make more in the US than in the UK even if it's considered a financial failure, the fans are there. And yes, the fans in the US do have to go out of their way more to get into Dredd. And well, yes it's pointless to say America doesn't "get it" because a particular character or brand isn't well known to them. As others pointed out above.
Comics are a niche market in America to begin with, almost no title sells over 100,000 copies ever. Many long popular enduring series only sell 10-15thousand copies a month (G.I. Joe, Witchblade, Spawn), some only selling say 4000 (Savage Dragon). Though that's not exclusive to America, but yeah importing a comic will also bring that number down as well, plus an overall lack of marketing.
Also, you never hear anybody giving Canada guff over these things, its always "the Yanks". :P
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
Also, you never hear anybody giving Canada guff over these things, its always "the Yanks". :P
I don't understand where you get the impression I'm giving the US "guff" over anything. I'm not implying that any failure to 'get' Dredd is a failure of intelligence, for example, I'm just observing that the British boys' adventure comic market from which 2000AD emerged had a very specific cultural element and 2000AD was shaped by that, even when it was reacting against it. I'm speculating as to whether that ingrained cultural context goes some way towards explaining US audiences' resistance to the character.
The comics don't seem to sell
that well within the frame of reference of the US comic market, either. I'll be genuinely interested to see how the IDW book performs.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 September, 2012, 12:46:06 PM
The best early reviews were all from the US.
You'll note I said mainstream reviews, which was somewhat central to my point about Dredd failing to find a wide audience. Contrast with the fact that the film received excellent reviews in the UK from The Guardian and The Sun.
Yeah I get that but it's at 78%, I wouldn't say that it plummeted given the size of the US and how the critics have decimated some of their own films. Much of the criticism towards the film is not particularly aimed at the set-up or what the character represents but the limitations imposed on the film itself for other reasons.
78%,its gone back up :) it was 76 I think at one point.
I can't understand the mentality of ANYONE who refuses to see Dredd on the basis that Stallone's `Judge Dredd` was so shite.I mean, it's like saying you wouldn't give `Batman Begins` a chance because of `Batman And Robin` for fucks sake!
Sorry for the language, but I feel so crushed that Dredd isn't making the amount of money it deserves to make and especially sad for those involved who made , in my eyes, a work of art.
...and it gets worse, with predictions even lower: 5. Dredd 3D (Lionsgate) NEW [2,506 Runs] R
Friday $2.2M, Weekend $5.7M
Chill out,still early days.Batman made more money outside the US than in it.I think we will scrape it.Give it another weekend.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 01:24:36 PM
I don't understand where you get the impression I'm giving the US "guff" over anything. I'm not implying that any failure to 'get' Dredd is a failure of intelligence, for example, I'm just observing that the British boys' adventure comic market from which 2000AD emerged had a very specific cultural element and 2000AD was shaped by that, even when it was reacting against it. I'm speculating as to whether that ingrained cultural context goes some way towards explaining US audiences' resistance to the character.
I personally don't think that's anything other than an assumption, since we don't have comparable situations. Weekly comics anthologies were not a popular thing in the US in the 70s and 80s, it was a market that just didn't exist for whatever reason. And the various other elements people have pointed out about the difference in how Dredd has been marketed here. It really is pointless to imply you can explain it as a cultural thing reacting against the idea of Dredd.
Plus, again, why is it that you're keen to always post this sort of thing about the US in particular? Where's your opinion on the culture of Canada, Australia, Japan, and whatever other country not having Dredd be popular? If you don't have cultural reasons for everybody, why the US in particular? I wanna see your post about Canada's culture and why they don't get Dredd.
Just about to watch it for the second time
Yes I know I've been slacking but I've two young kids!!
Gonna look out for more board references this time!
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 01:41:51 PMI wanna see your post about Canada's culture and why they don't get Dredd.
I don't know whether they do or not. This conversation specifically arose out of seemingly disappointing box office in the States. You seem determined to make this into a fight, apparently as a defensive tactic, when I'm not actually being in any way critical.
Are you suggesting that there
isn't a cultural difference between American and British comics? I'd suggest the fact that, in an American book, exposure to mutation-inducing radiation gets you born as a psychic who grows up to be a smoking hot babe but in a British one you get an arm growing out of the side of your head or a face where your knee should be rather neatly illustrates the sort of thing I'm talking about.
I'm not saying one culture is better than the other, hence my bewilderment at your defensive tone, I'm saying that they're
different which, I thought, was both undeniable and uncontroversial. I don't know whether, in your head, you're reading my posts as some veiled way of saying "Stupid Americans -- it's
their fault there won't be any sequels!" but that's really, really not what I'm saying.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 September, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
Chill out,still early days.Batman made more money outside the US than in it.I think we will scrape it.Give it another weekend.
My worry is that if the numbers are as low as those predictions it's doubtful it will get a second weekend in any meaningful way. I do hope those estimates are wrong, because for a US release they seem very, very low.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 01:41:51 PMI wanna see your post about Canada's culture and why they don't get Dredd.
I don't know whether they do or not. This conversation specifically arose out of seemingly disappointing box office in the States. You seem determined to make this into a fight, apparently as a defensive tactic, when I'm not actually being in any way critical.
You say defensive, to me I'm being logical. It's not a fight, I'm just disagreeing with the ideas your throwing out there and explaining my thoughts.
I think "I don't know whether they do or not" would also apply to America if it applies to Canada. Nuff said really.
Jim is of course correct about cultural differences but to me Dredd is a character of certain appeal everywhere, not just in the US. Unfortunately for this film the '95 version haunts it. Once the words Dredd/Remake/Stallone are falsely braided together a lot of people in the mainstream have all ready made their minds up, but, I believe Dredd has enough appeal to be successful and to be sustainable and don't be surprised to see Dredd's viability as a sellable character become greater in the foreseeable.
Also, the bit you just said about American comics versus Brit ones, oddly enough you just only used the superhero Marvel and DC comics. Let's not forget about all the other comics companies and their output. Really, your posts on the topic of America in general seem to be broad strokes and stereotypes, that's why I disagree.
Jim is talking about wide-appeal (where stereotypes can be true) not what indies are doing.
A separate issue, but sexuality and sexism are not the same thing. An illustration of say a topless women which is meant to be titillating to male readers (and lesbians by the way) is not sexist. By some definitions art has to be sexless to not be sexist. But I know there's no real point in discussion our opinions on what's acceptable or not especially in that realm, everybody has their own lines.
Woops, where's that edit button, debating in two threads at once and posted that one in the wrong place. :lol:
And again, it's a bit odd to color everything other than Marvel and DC as not worth mentioning, it's a very sizable part of the market. Walking Dead #100 was recently the best selling comic, outselling anything by Marvel or DC. And it would not be out of place in 2000AD.
I think you're missing the point.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 September, 2012, 02:20:23 PM
I think you're missing the point.
An easy thing to say. He compared 2000AD as Brit and then said in America instead we've have "insert stereotypical Marvel/DC thing here". But the American market is much more than that, even in mainstream terms.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 02:13:27 PM
Also, the bit you just said about American comics versus Brit ones, oddly enough you just only used the superhero Marvel and DC comics. Let's not forget about all the other comics companies and their output. Really, your posts on the topic of America in general seem to be broad strokes and stereotypes, that's why I disagree.
Umm. If one is discussing cultural differences, of course one deals in broad strokes. I'm also characterising British culture in broad strokes. 2000AD was most emphatically mainstream when the Strontium Dog stories I was referencing were running, so a direct comparison with Marvel is entirely appropriate.
I have to ask you again: is it your contention that there are no cultural differences between the two? And, no, I'm not talking about Canada, or Japan, or France, because this conversation arises from reports of disappointing US box office. The film has been heavily marketed and largely well-reviewed in the US, which is the
key market and yet people
still don't seem to be going to see it. I'm just wondering whether the fact that there is an undeniable cultural difference between the UK and the US plays some part in this and, if so, why that should be.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 02:23:03 PMI'm just wondering whether the fact that there is an undeniable cultural difference between the UK and the US plays some part in this and, if so, why that should be.
I think plenty of reasons more tangible than that have been given for why Dredd is less popular in the US than the UK. And, for the record, it's less popular literally everywhere else on the planet as well.
And that you say you think something about the character of Dredd doesn't work for Americans, but you have no opinion on how this works for Canadians, to me says a lot.
American audiences haven't failed the movie, they just haven't seen it. And why should they?
It's not like they have a compelling reason to if they are not already fans who have followed the movie.
No, the only ones that failed whereLionsGate Films Marketing Department, the weakest link in Dredd's entire chain. It doesn't help that everyone else did their job to perfection when Tim Palen & Co failed so miserably at doing theirs...again. If anyone else still wonders why I keep going on and on about them, then this is why. They have, as feared, delivered the worst marketing campaign bar none this side of Conan, and in the process poisoned the Judge Dredd brand on film and killed even the remotest chance of a sequel happening.
Thankfully, we now have one proper Judge Dredd movie.
It is the only one we will get.
Ive got to ask, but just why should Dredd be popular in the states? Has any foreign title ever taken America by storm?
I know for a fact that Dredd is pretty well received by those that have had the
opportunity to read the strip. Those case files seem to be doing a grand job at that. And more than the art (which you would think would be the case) its the stories, and the quality of the writing, that seems to grab. And yes, i think that as Dredd offers a 'British' or 'different' take on things, that is part of the appeal, as well.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
Also, you never hear anybody giving Canada guff over these things, its always "the Yanks". :P
Thats because of the hissy fit you lot threw in Boston.
Canada remained loyal to the crown, and didnt throw their Britishness away (with the tea), and for that reason are above reproach ;)
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
And that you say you think something about the character of Dredd doesn't work for Americans, but you have no opinion on how this works for Canadians, to me says a lot.
Because we're not talking about the fucking Canadians, OK? Or the French, or the Australians, or the Krygyzstanis. You are determined to try and paint me as having some anti-American axe to grind and I will tell you, again, that I do not. You seem determined to ignore the actual words I'm saying, so I'll quote them again:
QuoteThe film has been heavily marketed and largely well-reviewed in the US, which is the key market and yet people still don't seem to be going to see it. I'm just wondering whether the fact that there is an undeniable cultural difference between the UK and the US plays some part in this and, if so, why that should be.
Again: there is no criticism implicit here, no agenda or bias, I'm merely
curious.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 02:31:58 PMBecause we're not talking about the fucking Canadians, OK? Or the French, or the Australians, or the Krygyzstanis. You are determined to try and paint me as having some anti-American axe to grind and I will tell you, again, that I do not. You seem determined to ignore the actual words I'm saying
We're just talking about something we disagree on, honestly. I asked you earlier and you said you don't know whether Canadians do or don't get Dredd. So we did talk about them. You've also said a lot that you think Americans don't get Dredd. I honestly do think this point kind of explains itself.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 22 September, 2012, 02:31:07 PMThats because of the hissy fit you lot threw in Boston.
Canada remained loyal to the crown, and didnt throw their Britishness away (with the tea), and for that reason are above reproach ;)
Well you've got me there. :D
Quote from: norse_sage on 22 September, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
American audiences haven't failed the movie, they just haven't seen it. And why should they?
It's not like they have a compelling reason to if they are not already fans who have followed the movie.
No, the only ones that failed whereLionsGate Films Marketing Department, the weakest link in Dredd's entire chain. It doesn't help that everyone else did their job to perfection when Tim Palen & Co failed so miserably at doing theirs...again. If anyone else still wonders why I keep going on and on about them, then this is why. They have, as feared, delivered the worst marketing campaign bar none this side of Conan, and in the process poisoned the Judge Dredd brand on film and killed even the remotest chance of a sequel happening.
Thankfully, we now have one proper Judge Dredd movie.
It is the only one we will get.
Care to say specifically what you thought they did wrong? The initial trailer? Reliance on TV Spots rather than a second trailer? Poster Campaign?
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 02:35:48 PM
We're just talking about something we disagree on, honestly. I asked you earlier and you said you don't know whether Canadians do or don't get Dredd.
I don't know any Canadians, I don't know anything about the Canadian comic industry, I don't know what kind of comics Canadians read or what kind of TV they watch. Crucially, Canadian box office was never a key plank in this film's commercial strategy and so, I imagine, less marketing muscle will have been expended there.
Once again: I'm curious as to the reasons why, if the box office is as disappointing as is being suggested, US audiences have proved resistant in the face of marketing efforts, generally good reviews and excellent word of mouth (yes, from Americans who clearly
do get it). Obviously, marketing ineptitude may be an alternative explanation, as norse_sage is suggesting.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: norse_sage on 22 September, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
American audiences haven't failed the movie, they just haven't seen it. And why should they?
It's not like they have a compelling reason to if they are not already fans who have followed the movie.
No, the only ones that failed whereLionsGate Films Marketing Department, the weakest link in Dredd's entire chain. It doesn't help that everyone else did their job to perfection when Tim Palen & Co failed so miserably at doing theirs...again. If anyone else still wonders why I keep going on and on about them, then this is why. They have, as feared, delivered the worst marketing campaign bar none this side of Conan, and in the process poisoned the Judge Dredd brand on film and killed even the remotest chance of a sequel happening.
Thankfully, we now have one proper Judge Dredd movie.
It is the only one we will get.
Other posters in the US have said Dredd has been marketed very heavily ,making a big impact.So a bit puzzled by this...?
Americans. So touchy!
And I didn't really see a problem with the marketing campaign. Though maybe, as a fan, I was following it a little too closely and had my rose-tinted glasses on.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
An easy thing to say. He compared 2000AD as Brit and then said in America instead we've have "insert stereotypical Marvel/DC thing here". But the American market is much more than that, even in mainstream terms.
Have you ever checked the icv2 top 300 US comic sales? I do, every single month, and in any given month, the first non-superhero comic you will find will be Walking Dead, typically somewhere between #40 and #50. The next one after that will most likely be one of Dark Horse's Buffy titles, usually somewhere between #75 and #100.
Cheers
Jim
I really hope this 5.5 million figure is not true. If its is true then pretty much nobody went to see the film at all. If the box office from Spain + Ireland is anything to go by then nobody across the world will see it either. I'm so pissed off that i will never pay to see a hollywood blockbuster at the theater ever again. Hollywood wonders why piracy is so rife, well Holllywood you fucking deserve it. Also seems like the american audience is just robots. Very pissed off today, 5.5 million jesus, The Master made 1 million in two bloody theaters ffs.
Just cross fingers the estimate is not accurate, that WOM from friday was good and it picks up today. Otherwise i'm worried they will manage to scrape the budget back. Even Kick Ass had a better opening weekend so something very wrong has gone on here.
It's far too early to chuck around weekend figures at this stage. Saturday's numbers are always higher than Friday's. Good word of mouth can cause a significant leap from Fri to Sat. We'll have to wait and see, tentacles crossed.....
You can't blame Hollywood for people not seeing a film in the UK, Ireland & Spain. People are being far too presumptuous.
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
The Master made 1 million in two bloody theaters ffs.
A film from a director/writer in complete control of how is film is marketed, with a seriously good track record, starring two of the best actors in the US and it's about a facinating subject. I wouldn't wish for anything less.
Well who is to blame then if these figures are true. Nothing to do with Hollywood, nothing to do with the quality of the film. I can only think of a few things, Judge Dredd has very few fans indeed ,the Stallone movie put people off, Lionsgate marketing ( though i doubt this one, they seemed to do a good job ) or all the reviews concentrating on extreme violence.
The UK performance makes me think that very few people even read Dredd comics these days.
Still hoping it will pick up though. If not we will get the blu ray before christmas so thats cool.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 22 September, 2012, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: norse_sage on 22 September, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
American audiences haven't failed the movie, they just haven't seen it. And why should they?
It's not like they have a compelling reason to if they are not already fans who have followed the movie.
No, the only ones that failed where LionsGate Films Marketing Department, the weakest link in Dredd's entire chain. It doesn't help that everyone else did their job to perfection when Tim Palen & Co failed so miserably at doing theirs...again. If anyone else still wonders why I keep going on and on about them, then this is why. They have, as feared, delivered the worst marketing campaign bar none this side of Conan, and in the process poisoned the Judge Dredd brand on film and killed even the remotest chance of a sequel happening.
Thankfully, we now have one proper Judge Dredd movie.
It is the only one we will get.
Other posters in the US have said Dredd has been marketed very heavily ,making a big impact.So a bit puzzled by this...?
I didn't say that LGF didn't market the movie, I said that their marketing campaign was a disaster.
Plastering posters all over the place and running TV spots non stop won't do a damn thing for attendance unless they are part of a larger marketing strategy which aims to bring reluctant audiences into cinemas. LGF have time and again proven themselves useless in coming up with a working marketing strategy.
More to the point, LGF Marketing creates visibility, but that is all they do.
When promoting a genre movie, they preach to the choir, but fail to give the general audience who weren't going anyway a single good reason why they should go. Their marketing campaign has been late and misguided, featuring pretty posters, but these are not backed up by trailers that intrigue the paying moviegoing audience.
Where more competent studios release three trailers (teaser=hook, trailer1=line, final trailer=sinker), LGF only releases trailer 1. In fishing terms, they have a line, but no hook and no sinker. This approach has NEVER worked for them in the past, yet they carry on NOT releasing the all important final trailer in the weeks before release.
Then it doesn't help how many posters they plaster all over the place, nor does it help how many millions they waste on TV spots. Without the trailers aimed at convincing the target audience that already goes to cinema at a regurlar basis, it's all money down the drain.
I do not understand how Joe Drake (head of LGF) can still have a job after he malicously dumped 19 in development movies greenlit by his predecessor, thereby costing LGF untold millions and at least two potential franchises.
Furthermore, while Tim Palen may be a decent photographer, he has proved himself utter useless as a Marketing exec time and again, yet he still runs LGF marketing. Tim Palen first and foremost is the one responsible for Dredd's inevatble failure, as he was the one who signed off on the one trailer we have, which has done the movie no favours. Furthermore, he had the power to make a final trailer and attach it to Resident Evil, which should have been a no brainer, but he didn't.
Not really true Norse. Karl Urban has been to every backwater mall in the US to promote the movie. Pretty much every single "geek" site has had Dredd features including IGN. There has been tons of featurettes, clips and other assorted stuff. If anything Dredd had great marketing for a low budget foreign flick. How much marketing did you see for Inbetweeners ? Sorry i'm not buying this LGF fucked it up thing, look at The House On The End OF The Street, zero marketing, zero clips, zero interviews, not screened for critics yet i bet it does better than Dredd. Your theory does not really hold water mate.
We can come up with loads of conspiracy theories but the likely proof is people could not be bothered with it and the trailer did not sell or "wow" people.
That's what i mean, all the promotion has been directed towards the geek sites, the built in audience that were going anyway. But what about the general audience? Those that don't check out the geek sites?
For them there was nothing but posters (that alone won't convince anybody), TV-spots (that alone won't convince anybody) and that ONE trailer, which we know recieved a VERY mixed reception from non fans. Most people express shock and surprise that a movie that had written off in no small part because of the trailer could get such good reviews.
http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA (http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
An easy thing to say. He compared 2000AD as Brit and then said in America instead we've have "insert stereotypical Marvel/DC thing here". But the American market is much more than that, even in mainstream terms.
Have you ever checked the icv2 top 300 US comic sales? I do, every single month, and in any given month, the first non-superhero comic you will find will be Walking Dead, typically somewhere between #40 and #50. The next one after that will most likely be one of Dark Horse's Buffy titles, usually somewhere between #75 and #100.
Cheers,
Jim
I do, and to be fair walking dead was the best seller recently with issue 100. And I think those top 300 lists in general are representative of the scene, not just the very top sellers. Just seems a more fair comparison with the non big two books.
Alos good points about the marketing, above post. Though it can seem tough to sell various genre movies in general.
The geek sites are very impotant for this kind of movie Norse, LGF did the right thing. Seen plenty of other non geek sites that ran Dredd prize pack giveaways, interviews etc. Sometimes you can market a movie all you want be it will still fail. Drive Angry even got a superbowl spot and look what happened to that. Does all the marketing for Twilight give you an urge to see the movie ? No, then maybe its not your cup of tea to begin with.
I wonder to what extent Dredd is 'mainstream friendly' anyway. It could take quite a while for WOM to filter beyond the hardcore.... very likely after its cinema run is over.
I hope producers etc take a long-term view with regards to a sequel.
Quote from: MattJW on 22 September, 2012, 03:44:50 PM
I wonder to what extent Dredd is 'mainstream friendly' anyway. It could take quite a while for WOM to filter beyond the hardcore.... very likely after its cinema run is over.
I hope producers etc take a long-term view with regards to a sequel.
If they do, I can see that view being kiddie-friendly...
Dredd was made for an over 18's male audience, it was never mainstream.
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
I can only think of a few things, Judge Dredd has very few fans indeed ,the Stallone movie put people off, Lionsgate marketing ( though i doubt this one, they seemed to do a good job ) or all the reviews concentrating on extreme violence.
The UK performance makes me think that very few people even read Dredd comics these days.
Why would its audience, anywhere, be made up of largely 'Dredd' fans?
And hasnt it been said that this weekend in particular, has been a bad/slow one for films in general, and for several reasons?
Down to shitty luck, in part, then, if true.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 September, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
Dredd was made for an over 18's male audience, it was never mainstream.
True, rated R comic book films haven't typically made much, 300 aside.
Also a random note, The Master was in five theaters not two, though still impressive.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 03:39:29 PM
I do, and to be fair walking dead was the best seller recently with issue 100. And I think those top 300 lists in general are representative of the scene, not just the very top sellers. Just seems a more fair comparison with the non big two books.
My point is that the big two basically
are the US comic industry. There are two non-big-two books in the top 100 for August and it's
always like that, so don't try to make out that I'm distorting the nature of the US comic market by drawing the comparison that I did.
Cheers
Jim
Kick Ass and Sin City did pretty ok'ish so there is a market for unknown comic books. Like someone said it just seems to be bad luck. Although i'm going for the trailer really damaging Dredd's chances. So many people came to the imdb boards saying the same thing "the trailer was terrible but the movie was great". Perhaps releasing a second trailer may have been a good idea instead of a bunch of tv spots, perhaps a red band trailer too. Oh well.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2012, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 22 September, 2012, 03:39:29 PM
I do, and to be fair walking dead was the best seller recently with issue 100. And I think those top 300 lists in general are representative of the scene, not just the very top sellers. Just seems a more fair comparison with the non big two books.
My point is that the big two basically are the US comic industry. There are two non-big-two books in the top 100 for August and it's always like that, so don't try to make out that I'm distorting the nature of the US comic market by drawing the comparison that I did.
Cheers
Jim
Ha, I know we disagree on things, and look at say the top 300 differently, this doesn't mean I'm saying you''re distorting it, we simply don't agree on it. To you only one third of the 300 counts, but to me that's not the case. I did find your comparison unfair, that's just my view.
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
Kick Ass and Sin City did pretty ok'ish so there is a market for unknown comic books. Like someone said it just seems to be bad luck. Although i'm going for the trailer really damaging Dredd's chances. So many people came to the imdb boards saying the same thing "the trailer was terrible but the movie was great". Perhaps releasing a second trailer may have been a good idea instead of a bunch of tv spots, perhaps a red band trailer too. Oh well.
Sure, but it's not that common for these to hit like that. And Kick-Ass's box office wasn't considered that strong at 48 mil, but it is getting a sequel so that's something.
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 03:42:30 PM
The geek sites are very impotant for this kind of movie Norse, LGF did the right thing. Seen plenty of other non geek sites that ran Dredd prize pack giveaways, interviews etc. Sometimes you can market a movie all you want be it will still fail. Drive Angry even got a superbowl spot and look what happened to that. Does all the marketing for Twilight give you an urge to see the movie ? No, then maybe its not your cup of tea to begin with.
Indeed. A second trailer wouldn't have hurt anyone but I'm not sure what else they could've done beyond that. The TV spots would've intrigued me, fan or not.
Sad to say, I think cult classic is where DREDD is headed judging by early returns from the US box office. That's disappointing but, on the plus side, we've still got a cracking Dredd movie to enjoy now and in the future...
Why are you all talking about box office figures being x amount at the weekend when Saturday night hasn't even arrived yet?!
Oh and for the record..all this 'we have got the film we wanted' is just bravado
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Nobody ever gets the movie "they" want based off literature. You either make a film for fan's only which alienates average movie goers or you make a mainstream film stripping away layers some people want. You can't win. Even hardcore Batman fans say "he is not a detective any more, i want more detective stories". Very hard to win either way.
Saying "well at least we got a great Dredd movie" is simply putting good spin on a bad situation, nothing wrong with that when it's the closest to the truth.
What if they did a sequel with a lower budget then the first? Is that something that could happen? Desert landscapes can't cost as much to make as Mega City One backdrop right?
They could do something like mad max?
Quote from: norse_sage on 22 September, 2012, 03:23:25 PM
I do not understand how Joe Drake (head of LGF) can still have a job after he malicously dumped 19 in development movies greenlit by his predecessor, thereby costing LGF untold millions and at least two potential franchises.
It's rule number 1 for studio bosses: sack everything in development in case something your predecessor did becomes a success and raises the expectations of your own performance. Basically, if a new male lion takes over a pride, its first act is to kill all the cubs that aren't his own. This is how studios have always, always done things. If you climb high enough to become a studio head, then it is expected that you act as nonsensically, illogically, wastefully and egotistically as you damn well please. It's textbook Hollywood, which is to say it's detrimental to everyone except the single guy at the top and there's fuck all anyone can do about it.
No, not really.
I think the hardest part of any Dredd adaptation is getting Dredd right, which they've done. The rest of it is minor in comparison.
Would I liked to have seen other Megacity stuff, sure - but it didn't help the '95 film and I doubt it would have made a jot of difference to how this one performs.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 22 September, 2012, 04:59:07 PM
What if they did a sequel with a lower budget then the first? Is that something that could happen? Desert landscapes can't cost as much to make as Mega City One backdrop right?
They could do something like mad max?
Book of Eli cost more than Dredd did.
To be honest 95 Dredd makes me sad..what ifs and could have beens..if I'm realistic I don't think we will ever get that blank chequebook budget we all crave..unless we rope in Lucas/Speilberg :lol:
Just think what Garland could have done with the 95 budget
I agree that it's something special just that this movie got made, it finally happened. And it rocks. I want sequels too, but box office hit or not this is a victory for the fans.
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
Oh and for the record..all this 'we have got the film we wanted' is just bravado
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Guff! This will indeed be the Dredd film that some of the messageboard have always wanted, some will think it's not anything like how they imagined it to be, some will think it's 'kind of alright', and there'll be all kinds of points of view inbetween.
To disbelieve someone's opinion just because you don't share it, is a wee bit insulting.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 22 September, 2012, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
Oh and for the record..all this 'we have got the film we wanted' is just bravado
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Guff! This will indeed be the Dredd film that some of the messageboard have always wanted, some will think it's not anything like how they imagined it to be, some will think it's 'kind of alright', and there'll be all kinds of points of view inbetween.
To disbelieve someone's opinion just because you don't share it, is a wee bit insulting.
Im not disputing the concept..the near future..the look..all brilliant
I'm just saying due to the budget restraints imposed at the end of the day it's Dredd in an apartment block
As a fan..and be honest..would you not liked to have seen more of the City?
Don't interprete me as a naysayer..I love this film..I'm just wishing there was more money to throw around
Garlands Dredd is brilliant..it seems a shame that there might not be a continuation..because its crying out for expansion
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Actually, it's closer than I ever expected. No one gets the film they want because everyone's 'Dredd film' is different. What surprises me most is how close this Dredd is to my Dredd and that's why I like it. I'd love it to go
bigger of course but that's not the point.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 September, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Actually, it's closer than I ever expected. No one gets the film they want because everyone's 'Dredd film' is different. What surprises me most is how close this Dredd is to my Dredd and that's why I like it. I'd love it to go bigger of course but that's not the point.
Well that is the point Joe..and what I was trying to get at
Finally saw your Easter Egg today btw :lol:
Goaty posted mine in the other thread.
Or at least, I assume the 'fuck off' was directed at me.
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Well that is the point Joe..and what I was trying to get at
You'll have to make it yourself then, no one else will.
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Finally saw your Easter Egg today btw :lol:
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It's still mad thinking that it's in there.
From Variety Online: And despite a strong critical response for the weekend's fourth new entry, Lionsgate's "Dredd" trailed with $2.2 million, ahead of the Weinstein Co.'s wide expansion of "The Master," at $1.4 million. Both should land in the mid- single digits.
Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118059683
Quote from: DarkDaysBish-OP on 22 September, 2012, 05:51:10 PM
From Variety Online: And despite a strong critical response for the weekend's fourth new entry, Lionsgate's "Dredd" trailed with $2.2 million, ahead of the Weinstein Co.'s wide expansion of "The Master," at $1.4 million. Both should land in the mid- single digits.
Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118059683
Yeah thats pretty much terrible, doubt it picks up that much more Sat/Sun, and for a 3D film too ack. Lets hope it does better than Drive Angry. Sad the Jennifer thingy flick is doing well, i heard it's complete pants. Oh well, hope the Dredd blu ray is out next month when they scrabble around trying to make some profit off this. I think it will do great on DVD/Bluray as all the kiddies rent it from Netflix.
Gagh.. This is almost painful, waiting for these results.
Again, we got an awesome Dredd that the fans of 2000AD love (on the whole). And soon there's Judge Minty too. All in all not a bad time to be a Dredd fan. Gonna buy the fuck out of the DVD/Bluray for friends and family (especially if it stops them from downloading it..)..
Box Office Mojo is what I've been checking (they do a daily breakdown), and they've got Friday's figures as 2.2 million too. That's a bit upsetting, I'd convinced myself that worst case scenario it would do just ok, but if the weekend doesn't pick up it looks like it's tanked horribly. Really, really gutted, thought there was an outside chance it might be a hit.
The other films haven't done much better.
Not good
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
Hmmmm, that article seems to suggest Lionsgate have done nothing to promote it. If that's true they're idiots, they could have had a modest hit on their hands. Was chatting to my brother today, he lives in Canada and says there's pretty much zero awareness of the film there.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 September, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
Not good
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
Getting the :sick: feeling on this one but not altogether surprising.
Thinking this could bomb altogether. I don't think the WOM is spreading fast enough on this to get the people in the seats.
Predicate a similar outcome around the world as seen in the UK, ok figures but nothing outstanding.
Definately the movie will do the business in Blu-Ray/DVD/Download sales and rentals. This is where the WOM will finally have filtered and have the impact. The people who missed it in the cinema will check it out and generate huge interest and money.
Cult status achieved- but should ensure at least people would have more interest in going to the cinema for a sequel knowing that the first movie is brilliant and not a damp squib like the 95 one.
If a sequel is done- Drop the 3D and aim for a 15 rating max.
Still we have a brilliant movie that I will cherish and watch many times over. :cool:
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 22 September, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
Hmmmm, that article seems to suggest Lionsgate have done nothing to promote it. If that's true they're idiots, they could have had a modest hit on their hands. Was chatting to my brother today, he lives in Canada and says there's pretty much zero awareness of the film there.
Got that vibe as well. Massive ball dropping if thats the case on LGF's part.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 September, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 September, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
Not good
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
If a sequel is done- Drop the 3D and aim for a 15 rating max.
Still we have a brilliant movie that I will cherish and watch many times over. :cool:
Totally agree
Hope Goaty is ok, seen very little of him today and i really shouldn't take my frustrations out on Mark Millar, bad painbros.
It's not really good to go around burying the film on the second day of its US release either, painbros22. At least give things a chance to play out.
Yeah i know Soap, these estimates though are usually always correct so grabbing onto something positive is very difficult. In fact said multiple times in this thread that things may get better, just don't want to delude myself. BTW you write similar to Burl, same person ?
Yep.
Glad you said it before I did it in a far shoutier way.
It reminds me of the early days of bad spy-photos and ambulances Steve.
Maybe should retrospectively photoshop Kate Middleton topless into them.
Might get us some free promotion. We'd have to move to France after it though.
In fairness a lot of us stuck behind the project and are still behind it.
We are relying on the whole "word of mouth" aspect instead of the distributors getting properly behind it through print and advertising. WOM in majority of cases has been more effective in killing bad movies rather than selling good movies.
It's fact of life that bad news travels faster than good news.
If the figures hold right, I'm surprised by how much 'End of Watch' performed against DREDD. Same target demographic and R rating yet double the intake. Something very wrong here if that's the case.
Really hope the figures improve over the weekend for DREDD.
However low everyone is feeling at these early figures coming out, spare a thought for Garland et al who have put so much into this project-I know it's their work but it comes across that they've put so much personal passion into it and risked a lot.
To Karl, Olivia, Alex, John, Carlos and everyone else involved-we all still think its great no matter what.
Good effort!
That's it then. Game over.
Gutted.
Still an amazing film, just so sad that it hasn't found an audience.
People are stupid.
Next weekend,just chill and forget about it until then.
Bottom line its a GREAT film,it will sort its self out either by WOM,worldwide BO or DVD sales and i'm sure at the very least cover its costs.
And I stand by my statement that it's better than Dark Knight Rises Catwomans arse aside.
I would like to say something: I disagree with everything NorseSage has said in regards to the marketing Dredd has received. If the idea is to raise a movie's awareness in the public's eyes then they have succeeded completely. What else were they supposed to do? The movie was marketed far more over here than it was in Europe.
Dredd was always going to be a tough movie to market to the general public. It's violent, it's from a not-very-well-known comic in the US, it's an action film, it's incredible bleak - generally the kind of movie the general public tends to stay away from. It's frustrating to hear people blame the marketing for a movie's failure. It's always the first thing people to leap on when something they want to do well fails.
There's a far more simple truth to why Dredd has not taken off at the box office: People did not want to go see it. WE did. Most people didn't. That's not a failure in marketing. There is nothing Lionsgate could have done to sell this movie any differently. At the end of the day, a movie either catches people's interest or it doesn't and sadly, Dredd did not. That's what happens sometimes. It was always going to be a niche market they were selling this movie to. It's not a date movie (although my gf fucking loved it last night), it's not a family movie, it's not a mainstream movie. It never was. I think Joe Soap has been trying to convey that on here for the last two years to deaf ears and unrealistic expectations.
The numbers are not good and it really looks like the movie's going to tank. The people who predict this stuff know what they're talking about. It's simple math. That's deeply unfortunate for all of us who love the property but them's the breaks. We all love Dredd and wish we could have more of this stuff in sequels and other 2000ad characters but at some point, we all need to be realistic about who was really going to go see this movie.
Quote from: James on 22 September, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
However low everyone is feeling at these early figures coming out, spare a thought for Garland et al who have put so much into this project-I know it's their work but it comes across that they've put so much personal passion into it and risked a lot.
To Karl, Olivia, Alex, John, Carlos and everyone else involved-we all still think its great no matter what.
Good effort!
Don't forget Pete. He just seems swept aside in regards to this movie. Regardless of what happened behind the scenes he clearly had a huge part to play in putting this up on screen.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 22 September, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
In fairness a lot of us stuck behind the project and are still behind it.
We are relying on the whole "word of mouth" aspect instead of the distributors getting properly behind it through print and advertising. WOM in majority of cases has been more effective in killing bad movies rather than selling good movies.
It's fact of life that bad news travels faster than good news.
If the figures hold right, I'm surprised by how much 'End of Watch' performed against DREDD. Same target demographic and R rating yet double the intake. Something very wrong here if that's the case.
Really hope the figures improve over the weekend for DREDD.
End of Watch is in the vogue with all these found footage/video taped movies, it hit that niche, it's also about cops which generally tends to go down very well. It was also promoted on David Letterman and has a big star name. It had a hell of a lot going for it. Looks like a good movie too from what i heard. It's one of the dump months so nothing was expected to set the box office on fire to be fair.
It's like the fall of Rome on here
It hasn't even been out 24 hours in the states yet
The Film cost 45 million to make which is fuck all, when you have a near global market to recoup the costs
it will make it's money back, 5 million from the UK(at least) 20 million from the US(at least)... and then the other 198 countries it has or will be released in
the number crunchers at lionsgate/reliance/IM and DNA would not deliberately back something that was going to fail, the are aware of the limited appeal.. they will have done the maths, it will turn a profit.
we all appreciate that big openers in the States can make or break American films but this is a low-budget British indie film, backed by Indian money
Then theirs BD/DVD and commando forces who will bump up the final figure.
when the bottomline is finally announced in six or seven months time then we'll know if we will get a sequel.
Garland himself said that it was a hard sell, and it was a long shot that it would turn a huge profit off the bat.
any way back to the looting and the panicking ..if anyones looking for me i'll be trying to break into the FutureShop
Thats what I meant to write but I'm a little drinked
Quote from: NSFTM on 22 September, 2012, 09:04:37 PM
It's like the fall of Rome on here
It hasn't even been out 24 hours in the states yet
The Film cost 45 million to make which is fuck all, when you have a near global market to recoup the costs
it will make it's money back, 5 million from the UK(at least) 20 million from the US(at least)... and then the other 198 countries it has or will be released in
the number crunchers at lionsgate/reliance/IM and DNA would not deliberately back something that was going to fail, the are aware of the limited appeal.. they will have done the maths, it will turn a profit.
we all appreciate that big openers in the States can make or break American films but this is a low-budget British indie film, backed by Indian money
Then theirs BD/DVD and commando forces who will bump up the final figure.
when the bottomline is finally announced in six or seven months time then we'll know if we will get a sequel.
Garland himself said that it was a hard sell, and it was a long shot that it would turn a huge profit off the bat.
any way back to the looting and the panicking ..if anyones looking for me i'll be trying to break into the FutureShop
Needs a damned LIKE button
People are just about bummed out i suppose, it may be premature but understandable. Heres hoping things pick up tonight from great WOM, still might happen. Otherwise i think it will make a killing on Bluray/dvd. SO of course there is hope, give people a chance too, they are just upset, it will pass, always does.
The best situation is that it gets a sequel 6 months down the line and the first movie will have changed perceptions on DREDD and US box office success should come alot easier after the WOM filters through with success in retail sales and rentals.
This is an ice breaker movie that makes the sequel easier to push through in the cinema when it comes along and should then be a far bigger commercial success.
Should be an interesting few weeks ahead of us.
What NSFTM said.
And I'm still optimistic. And then this happened a few minutes ago =
2000 AD Tweet Droid @2000AD
Y'hear that sound, Earthlets? That's the sound of Judge Dredd Case Files #1 selling out in the US! Just had confirmation from distributors
Woo!
And it's a great film, I believe strongly in WOM, so yeah, still optimistic.
I thought that was Lenny Zero a couple of progs back.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 22 September, 2012, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: NSFTM on 22 September, 2012, 09:04:37 PM
It's like the fall of Rome on here
^ What he said.
Nonsense, the fall of Rome had actual, profound historical significance
People, people! Enough with the doom!
At the very least we've just had a Dredd film that's been better than we could have hoped for. I know we're all anxious and want a sequel, but I'd honestly suggest taking a break from the thread for a week or so. I don't want half the board members having heart attacks as they watch the viewing figures every day!
Maybe post positive stuff on the web rather than fretting too much in here. Word Of Mouth and all that...
Ps. Hang on in there!
Quote from: DrJomster on 22 September, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
People, people! Enough with the doom!
At the very least we've just had a Dredd film that's been better than we could have hoped for. I know we're all anxious and want a sequel, but I'd honestly suggest taking a break from the thread for a week or so. I don't want half the board members having heart attacks as they watch the viewing figures every day!
Maybe post positive stuff on the web rather than fretting too much in here. Word Of Mouth and all that...
Ps. Hang on in there!
Yeah, might have jumped on the bandwagon too quickly. Have to keep remembering everyone I brought last night ended up loving it. Most want to see it again and they'll tell all their mates who might be on the fence. A bit more of that and we'll be doing alright.
Oddball says...
If it helps any then the volume of new posters on IMDB and the volume of #dredd tweets went up about 80% today. Americans are tweeting other americans to go see it, so WOM is pretty damn good. Many tweets though have been talking about lack of 2D showings again and that the screens it is on are the smallest. But generally the WOM is very good, so its likely to hang in there. So there is plenty of hope left. Sorry if i came across as negative, just really bummed out. Its getting great reception on IMDB, people do like the movie and the case files is selling out, thats win right there.
We only worry because we care.
Agree.
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 10:37:25 PM
If it helps any then the volume of new posters on IMDB and the volume of #dredd tweets went up about 80% today. Americans are tweeting other americans to go see it, so WOM is pretty damn good. Many tweets though have been talking about lack of 2D showings again and that the screens it is on are the smallest. But generally the WOM is very good, so its likely to hang in there. So there is plenty of hope left. Sorry if i came across as negative, just really bummed out. Its getting great reception on IMDB, people do like the movie and the case files is selling out, thats win right there.
Most places here are showing alternate screenings of 3D and 2D which is good and Dredd was in a pretty large theater last night.
Haven't read the board in 24 hours so have missed how this is being interpreted but can report that word of mouth on this is really really good - for example on the AV Club it got an absolute stinker of a review, the first few pages of comments were 'Raid Rip off / THAAAALLLAWWWW / TDKR is best' nonsense. Then the last 2 days are solid 'Reviewer - you are fxxking wrong, that was the best thing I've seen all year'. The Site gave it a D+, the Community has it at B-B+. I've seen that on many sites..
As the ABC Warriors would say: SPREAD THE WORD
As Nemesis would say: CREDO!
There's no two ways about it - this is a disaster.
$10-15m opening would have been weak, potentially less than $6m is just terrible, shocking.
Less than zero chance of a sequel now, never gonna happen.
My gut hasn't changed its mind. The sequel is still on. Chuck Sixpackman is never wrong.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 22 September, 2012, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 September, 2012, 10:40:44 PM
We only worry because we care.
Too true.
Aye, but now a "its flopped" thread has appeared on the forum, so im off to bed.
Fucking Scojo is having a field day with this *sigh*
Quote from: Judge Jack on 22 September, 2012, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 22 September, 2012, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 22 September, 2012, 10:40:44 PM
We only worry because we care.
Too true.
Aye, but now a "its flopped" thread has appeared on the forum, so im off to bed.
Yup, I second that idea. Fecking stupid humans, don't know what's good for them!!!!
Night :|
Quote from: radiator on 22 September, 2012, 11:45:13 PM
There's no two ways about it - this is a disaster.
$10-15m opening would have been weak, potentially less than $6m is just terrible, shocking.
Less than zero chance of a sequel now, never gonna happen.
Yeah, it's not great it's true. Traditionally you can start halving the first weekend's box office for each consecutive week but I dunno. Let's see what sort of drop it takes the second weekend. Word of mouth is strong. Strong enough? We'll see...
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 11:53:59 PM
Fucking Scojo is having a field day with this *sigh*
That little cuntnut. He's crawled out of hiding now to gloat.
Quote from: blackmocco on 23 September, 2012, 12:00:42 AM
Quote from: painbros22 on 22 September, 2012, 11:53:59 PM
Fucking Scojo is having a field day with this *sigh*
That little cuntnut. He's crawled out of hiding now to gloat.
The fucking twat.So,does he think that he'll get his script made if this Dredd loses money??
I step away from the forum for five minutes...
Quote from: Mudcrab on 22 September, 2012, 10:34:55 PM
Oddball says...
Or to paraphrase Oddball - "It's a mother beautiful film and it's gonna do well"
Mate of mine in LA just told me he couldn't get into the screening he wanted tonite cause it was full and there was a line for the next showing. Don't see how it's doing that bad if that's the case. Weekend estimates always miss the ball with sleeper hits, i'm thinking it's going to do ok.
Quote from: Beeks on 22 September, 2012, 04:50:20 PM
Why are you all talking about box office figures being x amount at the weekend when Saturday night hasn't even arrived yet?!
Oh and for the record..all this 'we have got the film we wanted' is just bravado
Whilst I really like this film it is a long way off the Dredd I've always wanted..and I think that goes for you lot too
Actually I'm both happy and also slightly ashamed to admit that it is better than the Dredd film I've always wanted... which I guess goes to show why people like Alex Garland make films and I don't. Garland and co. made some very smart choices with this film which personally I would never have envisioned, and the film's all the better for it.
And just to unashamedly steal (and distort) the words from your mouth, I think that if they're honest with themselves, the same goes for a lot of other Dredd fans too.
Without being pessimistic i'm afraid it has been a bit of a box office disaster this weekend which is puzzling a lot of people according to deadline hollywood because it's been so well recieved...if it makes anyone feel better the weekend is turning out to be a bit of a disaster for every film released with only End Of Watch ( the surprise no 1 for this weekend) doing better than expected....I would say from these figures Dredd is going to be this years Conan which is a real shame......still it needs about double what it cost to make (Although Garland was saying from the way it's financed just over $50 million for a sequel) ...well it could still do that when the worldwide figures come in....i get the feeling it'll eventually break even and only just so it may be another 17 years before we see another Dredd....I hope not.
Sucks that it's tanking, but it clearly is. Weekend estimates that are based on the Friday gross usually aren't off by that much. Also, cinemascore is usually *very* accurate when it comes to audience reaction and a B is a lacklustre rating.
Puffing out your chest and getting enjoyment out of Dredd failing is a dick move, though. But that's to be expected from the DURRR DEY SHOULDA MADE DUH SCRIPT I WRITTEN MYSELF fanboy troll.
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 12:36:38 AM
Mate of mine in LA just told me he couldn't get into the screening he wanted tonite cause it was full and there was a line for the next showing. Don't see how it's doing that bad if that's the case. Weekend estimates always miss the ball with sleeper hits, i'm thinking it's going to do ok.
That's good to hear. :thumbsup:
Quote from: johnone on 23 September, 2012, 12:41:56 AM..still it needs about double what it cost to make (Although Garland was saying from the way it's financed just over $50 million for a sequel) ...well it could still do that when the worldwide figures come in...
Fifty million in the US alone.
Yeah Scojo is now spamming the IMDB board to death rendering it un-usuable, so i'm off to bed, all this depression is doing my head in. Nighty nite.
Damn, he must be bad. It's unusable at the best of times!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 22 September, 2012, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: NSFTM on 22 September, 2012, 09:04:37 PM
It's like the fall of Rome on here
It hasn't even been out 24 hours in the states yet
The Film cost 45 million to make which is fuck all, when you have a near global market to recoup the costs
it will make it's money back, 5 million from the UK(at least) 20 million from the US(at least)... and then the other 198 countries it has or will be released in
the number crunchers at lionsgate/reliance/IM and DNA would not deliberately back something that was going to fail, the are aware of the limited appeal.. they will have done the maths, it will turn a profit.
we all appreciate that big openers in the States can make or break American films but this is a low-budget British indie film, backed by Indian money
Then theirs BD/DVD and commando forces who will bump up the final figure.
when the bottomline is finally announced in six or seven months time then we'll know if we will get a sequel.
Garland himself said that it was a hard sell, and it was a long shot that it would turn a huge profit off the bat.
any way back to the looting and the panicking ..if anyones looking for me i'll be trying to break into the FutureShop
Needs a damned LIKE button
The commando forces comment made me laugh. Yeah, you are right!
I'm not gonna lie, the box office reports are not comforting. (okay down right depressing)
I saw it, LOVED IT.
Sad we won't get a sequel. :'(
Glad that other thread has been locked- why oh why would you start that after ONE day?Dumb.
You could say that about a lot of the posts on this thread too.
Wait...
Belive me I'm hoping & praying good word of mouth helps in the coming weeks, but the numbers are just not good.
I mean I thought dredd would at least come close to District 9's Opening Weekend of about $40 million, But Dredd's take in 2 days is just $2,230,000.
I'm trying to be positive, and I'm praying for a miracle here, but I'm prepared for the worst.
People don't need to reitrate it in every post.
The weekend isn't over yet folks, stay positive!
Exactly.
Bunch of mates who went to see it in Los Angeles today at various different theaters and it was doing brisk business. Let's wait and see. I've been barraging my Facebook page with everything Dredd related the last few weeks to the point where I thought maybe I was damaging friendships. Haha! Interesting to note the people most annoyed have now seen it three times and are raving.
Can't stop the signal.
Having now read through this entire thread, I feel compelled to (once again) break my vow of no further posts, this whole 'doom and gloom' thing today simply won't do, if you all are feeling down in the dumps about Dredd's potentially low box-office take, then spare a thought for Alex Garland and the DNA Films team who poured their heart and soul and professional reputations into making this the PROPER Judge Dredd adaptation we've all hoped for... and by gum, they darn well succeeded, and then some!
If Dredd tanks - and it hasn't finished it's full theatrical run yet, not even close - then it won't be because the product was lousy, it'll be because it always had an uphill struggle to catch on with a wider audience; it was a dark, violent, grim, gritty, visceral film based on relatively obscure source material that had no A-List stars/director/producer, and had a restrictive R/18 rating to boot, it always was going to be a long shot, a leap of faith, a step in the dark, but be of good cheer that they actually took that step, I know I am... we got ONE HECK of a movie because other people took a chance on a project they believed in!
Lastly, I feel the need to point out that the 2004 version of The Punisher only made $55m at the box-office worldwide on a $33m budget, which is pretty bad - considering it had a massive star in John Travolta in it - but it took off like gangbusters once it hit DVD, selling nearly 2 million copies in the first week of release, and four million within a month, making a further $60m, and upping the total take to $115m worldwide... more than enough to get a sequel, which it promptly got! Whilst not saying that Dredd's fortunes will follow this pattern, but it has both every chance to and no reason not to, I personally still hold out hope that Dredd will find it's audience on home release - outside of the cutthroat box-office competition - and if it does, a sequel is not only NOT an impossibility, far from it, but a very real likely prospect. If they do get a sequel, we'll more than likely not hear about it until early next summer at best, so pipe down with the negative waves, think beautiful thoughts, and before you know it, we might - just MIGHT - be surprised at how this particular saga plays out, it ain't over yet...
It was worth returning to the thread for that Beaky. Good stuff!
Look you other lot. Get out there with your own positive word of mouth on the net or in (gasp) real life rather than fretting on here. See the film again cos it's great, get the soundtrack, blast away on Dredd vs Zombies (which has had a cool makeover for the film including the trailer!) and give a good review on iTunes, buy trade paperbacks on Dredd and other 2000AD characters... I'll stop as it's probably obvious where I'm going with this! :)
Ps. And as before. Just hang on in there. Be positive and DO positive things. If that's not too hard. Ta.
I think any gnashing of teeth and heavenward wailing is precisely because we do appreciate the efforts of the creative team.
Anyway, as has been said, we should all do what we can to suppport this great film.
I do understand the temptation to fret, I really do! :)
Now then, I've just signed into imdb for the first time and given it 10 out of 10. The user ratings are looking very positive. Here they are! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/ratings)
I've already given Dredd vs Zombies top marks on iTunes, but duly updated my comments to give some love to the new film content they've added. And to shamelessly comment how players should also see the film LOTS.
Subtle, I know.
Ultimately Dredd is a damned good film, visually unique, action-packed and with some real depth in the performances: it's a genuine success, all the more so because it's also true to the source material. Regardless of opening weekend figures, it will do business over the long haul. It will also do the property a lot of good, giving Judge Dredd back the gritty cult status that '95 transformed into a plastic codpiece and a running joke.
Back when all the movie talk started up, I was pretty negative. I'd no real interest in seeing an adaptation of a comic I loved for being a comic (never went to see Watchmen, for example), and I really feared what it would do to the Prog - I couldn't face another disaster like the Stallone year. As the images and clips came out I rapidly warmed to it, and as the reviews came in I got really excited. But deep down I suspected people were being resolutely bullish, especially people who'd seen it in preview screenings, comic-cons and the like, with stars and hype in attendance: I went all the way to New York to see TPM on opening day, I know how the excitement of being at a special event with other fans can blind you to even the most egregious of flaws.
And then I saw it myself, on my own, at an early evening showing with about 8 other people in a 400-seater screen, with some annoying light-spill at the bottom right and slightly fuzzy sound: about as clinical a viewing experience as is possible. I loved it. It has some very minor problems, but it's both a clever adaptation, and a film that stands on its own legs as a powerful action piece set in a believably horrific dystopia, with memorable characters and visuals.
Dredd is a better film than I could ever gave hoped, and it will stand the test of time and make its money. Opening weekend box-office numbers will be fondly scoffed at in a few years time.
I have to say Beaky's post is the most sensible thing to turn up on this thread for a little while. There has been far too much throwing out the baby with the bath water.
That Punisher Movie was also (IMHO) total balls. There is a very long way to go yet before we can totally write off the future potential of this brilliant movie. It could easily make good money on DVD and bring us upto that magic $50M mark. I know a big noise has been made about it having make $50M solely at the box office to trigger a sequel, but that is with the current distributors only. There are a whole load of factors that can be added together that could grab the attention of other backers and distributors and the over all financial return is likely to be one them and no just it's box office take.
Let be honest they have managed to make a franchise out of Resident Evil, so absolutely anything is still possible.
If you ask me you can not seriously starting think about the possibility of there being no more Dredd until at least 2-3 months after the DVD comes out
I admire your optimism, we're all just going on what Garland said about sequel possibilities. I'd imagine the $50 million at the box office that he mentioned was in relation to the cinema distribution deal. The distributor paid almost that for the rights if I recall correctly, so I think the problem would not be whether it can make the money back on dvd/blu-ray later in the day, rather I would assume that if it doesn't give the cinema distributor specifically a return on their investment then trying to sell distribution rights to a sequel wouldn't be possible, so it would be in trouble before it even got off the ground.
Also, Resident Evil isn't a valid comparison as regardless of quality every Resi movie has made a great deal of money at the box office, usually in its opening weekend.
That was my reading of it anyway. I've had the night to sleep on it and now feel bad about being as kneejerk doom-and-gloom about the US box office, it still has the rest of the weekend and on closer inspection it may have only come in 5th but it's not like the films higher on the list did particularly great business, so it stands a good chance of another week, where the word of mouth will hopefully do it some justice. I'm quietly optimistic now and hoping for the best, and at the end of the day they made an incredible movie, so no matter what it isn't going to go down in history as the turkey that the '95 movie was, and the comic/GN sales have clearly seen a knock-on effect which is fantastic.
Quote from: DrJomster on 23 September, 2012, 07:46:01 AM
It was worth returning to the thread for that Beaky. Good stuff!
Look you other lot. Get out there with your own positive word of mouth on the net or in (gasp) real life rather than fretting on here. See the film again cos it's great, get the soundtrack, blast away on Dredd vs Zombies (which has had a cool makeover for the film including the trailer!) and give a good review on iTunes, buy trade paperbacks on Dredd and other 2000AD characters... I'll stop as it's probably obvious where I'm going with this! :)
Ps. And as before. Just hang on in there. Be positive and DO positive things. If that's not too hard. Ta.
And I've just read Beaky and Jomster's comments and now feel bad for even perpetuating the box office banter, these guys are right, we shouldn't be so glum, let's be positive.
I just looked at Box Office Mojo for the UK figures and turns out after its slight 2nd weekend drop it actually went on to make more in week 2 than it did in week 1, which is great news.
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=UK&id=dredd.htm (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=UK&id=dredd.htm)
Quote from: judge devs on 23 September, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
It could easily make good money on DVD and bring us upto that magic $50M mark. I know a big noise has been made about it having make $50M solely at the box office to trigger a sequel,
It's not a 'big noise', it's what Alex Garland talks about, specifically, in his own words in the thread that is stickied at the top of this very section of the forum. The number itself is kind of an arbitrary placeholder that you need to mentally translate into: "a VERY strong showing at the US Box Office for a film of this kind". Alex specifically says that the number is the
sort of performance that would be needed to secure a US cinema distributor for a sequel, without which a sequel would be dead in the water. A cinema distributor doesn't give a toss about the DVD sales.
Dredd will make money -- I have no doubt about that. However, the sequels were always going to be a long, long shot -- I suspect the $50M quote was actually supposed to
dampen expectation, but you can't keep a fanboy down...
Cheers
Jim
From the beginning of the Film Discussion thread there has been worrying about the big helmet, look of Lawmaster, cheap van, shoulder pads, no marketing etc the list goes on..
On every point the worry-ers have been proven wrong - the movie is totally Zarjaz! :thumbsup:
Regarding Box-office even Garland said it would probably be a hard sell with the R 18 rating etc.. if it does very well this is to be considered a bonus. If it reamains a cult-classic that will be ok.
So the state of mind shouldn't be worrying and dooming which contributes no positive energy whatsoever and doesn't help at all.
If it's the bonus we want, then continue to sustain the positive buzz momentum the Dredd movie has hade the last couple of months.
In my opinion that's the way to care about this movie, don't abandon it by giving up hope!
Jim,
Maybe badly phrased this whole 'Big Noise' thing, but what I was getting at was that the figure of $50M box return for a sequel was clearly stated by Alex Garland and the likes of us have been widely referring to it and debating it. What perhaps isn't so clearly is if this is genuinely box office returns only or if it includes wider returns from DVD's and the like.
Anyway. I will remain optimistic for as long as I can becuase there is nothing in the world right now I want more then a sequel to this brilliant movie.
I am right now taking comfort in the fact that at the US Box Office have generally been poor this weekend for everything apart from End of Watch, and that it's still doing decen business in the UK, and that the Word of Mouth effect appears to be pretty strong.
Other then that I shall keep believing that I'll win a fuck off Euromillions jackpot and pay for a sequel myself :)
Quote from: judge devs on 23 September, 2012, 10:57:50 AM
What perhaps isn't so clearly is if this is genuinely box office returns only or if it includes wider returns from DVD's and the like.
If the film only grosses $50M
total, then it will have been an unmitigated disaster -- that would barely recoup the production budget and would likely register a loss after promotion and marketing expenditure.
At the Q&A at the London Film & Comic Con, Garland said:
"...In the sequel. Which we can make as long as the film grosses over $50 million in the States. It might be tough – this is an 18, an R rating."I think it's clutching at straws to read that in any way other than $50M at the US box office.
Cheers
Jim
I've not had the time to visit the movie forum as often as I would have liked, but when I started reading the comments from several pages back I thought that Private Frazer was spamming the board. What had happened to all the positivity from a few days ago? All the 'Doom and Gloom' just feeds the Trolls, Dredd is an excellent film which has been getting some really good press. Lets not get disheartened folks. 'It ain't over till the fat lady sings.'
Stew.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 23 September, 2012, 11:12:13 AM
I think it's clutching at straws to read that in any way other than $50M at the US box office.
In that case to paraphrase Charlton Heston my clutched straws will be prised from my cold dead hands.
Reposted from the other thread:
There just seems to be this unshakable perception, wildly inaccurate and uninformed as it is, among the majority that Dredd '3D' represents some kind of nadir in popular culture - a REMAKE of a woefully unpopular Stallone film, IN 3D!
They always had an uphill battle to sell this movie, and it seems like nothing short of a massive media blitz would have done anything to change that (then the movie would have had to recoup many times more).
I fully expect Dredd to have a RELATIVELY strong second week, but it'll be too little too late.
A cult hit it is. And as others have said, we got a smashing film out of it, that will ultimately do a world of good for the Dredd brand in the long term. But I feel genuinely upset and frustrated at this latest development, this film is so close to my heart, not least because of the fan screening and meeting Alex etc, it's really sad that this is the result after all the build up.
SKD's right.
It's a great film, well made and acted and it's far too early to write it off. Blows the balls off your usual Hollywood action flick.
..can't we sue Stallone for defamation?
I meant it's far to early to...[spoiler]judge[/spoiler].There! I said it punks! :P :-[
I've still got to wait until Friday for Dredd to be released here (Norway) and in the meantime I'm just having to ignore all the doom and gloom and focus on the very obvious good things about the film, of which there are many!
Box office, schmox office - I just want to see Dredd, please!
Sorry for the other topic but:
2.2 million on Friday and due to be pulled in theatres in a few days time according to someone on the Comics and Graphic Novels forum on GameFAQs which are always very well informed about such things.
Probably the same well informed people who told us the violence was going to be toned down or it look cheap or travis had been murdered by garland
Quote2.2 million on Friday and due to be pulled in theatres in a few days time according to someone on the Comics and Graphic Novels forum on GameFAQs which are always very well informed about such things.
In other words, it's completely unfounded rumour and hearsay. I've gone to that message board, and the guy who made that statement isn't even stating it as fact - it's just his opinion.
Why are you so keen to persist with this nonsense, seeing as last time you posted it, the thread got locked? Do you want to get ignored/banned?
Quote from: radiator on 23 September, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Quote2.2 million on Friday and due to be pulled in theatres in a few days time according to someone on the Comics and Graphic Novels forum on GameFAQs which are always very well informed about such things.
In other words, it's completely unfounded rumour and hearsay. I've gone to that message board, and the guy who made that statement isn't even stating it as fact - it's just his opinion.
Why are you so keen to persist with this nonsense, seeing as last time you posted it, the thread got locked? Do you want to get ignored/banned?
This^
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
To quote one fan
Quote[ I just checked out the showtimes for the two theaters I usually go to and neither of them have very many showings(for 2D or 3D). One has only two 2D and three 3D showings. The other has just one 2D showings and three 3D showings.
I also don't think the movie was promoted well. I haven't seen any TV spots and I didn't even see the trailer play in front of movies I went to see in the theaters. /quote]
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
That qualifies someone to have an opinion, nothing else.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
To quote one fan
Quote[ I just checked out the showtimes for the two theaters I usually go to and neither of them have very many showings(for 2D or 3D). One has only two 2D and three 3D showings. The other has just one 2D showings and three 3D showings.
I also don't think the movie was promoted well. I haven't seen any TV spots and I didn't even see the trailer play in front of movies I went to see in the theaters. /quote]
So your source must be high up in the movie business if he knows it's going to get pulled in the next few days..
Quote from: radiator on 23 September, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
But I feel genuinely upset and frustrated at this latest development, this film is so close to my heart, not least because of the fan screening and meeting Alex etc, it's really sad that this is the result after all the build up.
Latest development perhaps, but the final result (unless you have a Proteus in your backyard) we have yet to see
Chin up mate! :D
Keep that ball rolling!
Once more over the top my fine lads! ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 September, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
That qualifies someone to have an opinion, nothing else.
I totally agree, there are so many mixed messages about full screenings, empty screenings etc, etc that we can't seriously have a proper conversation about the success of this film for weeks to come yet. Just keep spreading the word and the world will be our post apocolyptic future run by proto fascists that we just can't hate :-)
Listen guys, I'm a fan just like you lot but judging from reactions from other forums such as GameFAQs, Gallifrey Base, IMDb and others, it's not looking good. It was #5 yesterday with $2,230,000.
Because fans are really measured, reasonable people who don't swing wildly between pessimism and optimism.
Scojo posts on IMDB.
That's all I have to say on that.
Yes, I think we are aware that it is not looking good, thank you. If you'd care to read the last few pages of this thread you can see that - the majority of us are being realistic.
But your continued reposting of scurrilous, unfounded rumours as gospel fact is annoying people. I suggest you stop it, unless, as I say, you are deliberately trying to get people to ignore you/get yourself banned.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 September, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
That qualifies someone to have an opinion, nothing else.
Opinion's are like arseholes everyones got one,it's just that most don't know that their. talking out of their arse and talking shit....
I don't have an opinion. The word "opinion" implies the possibility I'm wrong.
I'm only going with what other fans on other forums are saying based on their experience. I want this film to succeed as well but it's looking like some TV stations didn't show adverts for the film AND some theatres are possibly pulling this film alltogether. Would an American user came and explain what the film is doing Stateside please?
Quote from: klute on 23 September, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 September, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Roughly unfounded considering that the topic in question is populated by
A) Comics fans
B) 2000AD/Judge Dredd fans
C) Are fairly knowledable about the box office
I agree with you wholeheartedly, I hope that there be sequels to.the film.
That qualifies someone to have an opinion, nothing else.
Opinion's are like arseholes everyones got one,it's just that most don't know that their. talking out of their arse and talking shit....
I don't have an opinion. The word "opinion" implies the possibility I'm wrong.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:46:56 PMAND some theatres are possibly pulling this film alltogether.
You have no basis for this other than some bloke speculating on a different forum. Please stop saying it.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
Sorry for the other topic but:
You say your sorry for the other topic... and then post the same rumours. ???
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:24:05 PM
Listen guys, I'm a fan just like you lot...
.... and you still insist on focusing on some negativity when others on here are prepared to play the long game and wait and see.
I was always told that 'if you can't say something nice....'
Stew.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 01:46:56 PM
I'm only going with what other fans on other forums are saying based on their experience. I want this film to succeed as well but it's looking like some TV stations didn't show adverts for the film AND some theatres are possibly pulling this film alltogether. Would an American user came and explain what the film is doing Stateside please?
Problem is you're looking at forums we could do that here all day long and get a different result...whilst the states have a bigger audience than us and all of the benefits that go with it,i wish people would stop looking sateside as being the only way a film can succeed it's still early days and not been shown everywhere or been released on DVD yet.
I feel more upbeat about the figures today.I really feel we'll see an increase next weekend and some good returns during the week.
Please don't label the IMDB board as full of idiots. The board has actually been great with lots of JD fans and we have turned a lot of people on to reading 2000ad. Scojo and some other guy have been the two trolls, Scojo tends to get banned every week. Otherwise the board has been filled with people very passionate about the movie and very civil and metered in their responses. Most of the posts people loved Dredd. All in all it's been very pleasant in there, nothing like the Prometheus boards delusion. People from the board put a lot of effort helping get the word out about the film too and many of them post here.
I don't normally look at the IMDB boards, but I did try to have a look for this Scojo johnny and see what the score was. I hadn't realised how big the IMDB baords are and gave up trying to track down Dredd related threads.
He does sound like a giant boner though, and it is a shame that people like that feel the need to be arseholes amid people trying to have a sensible discussion about things.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 02:57:13 PM
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
All that has all ready been posted here, pages ago.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 02:57:13 PM
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/soft-friday-box-office-clint-eastwoods-trouble-with-the-curve-disappoints-but-end-of-watch-strong-even-if-house-1-rebooted-dredd-opens-just-dreadful/
You're point being?
Just out of curiosity Batman..why are you being a tit?
Quote from: Beeks on 23 September, 2012, 03:28:35 PM
Just out of curiosity Batman..why are you being a tit?
Because fans on other forums are worried that the film will not be a success at the box office. Some fans have heard that some theatres are gonna pull the movie from showings by next weekend, just in time for the likes of Looper and Taken 2. Plus, it did well below Lionsgate expectations at the box office Stateside hasn't helped matters. I'm sorry if certain individuals are finding my behaviour in this topic to be crass but I personally hope it does extremely well Stateside, enough to warrent both the trilogy AND TV series that Alex Garland is hoping for.
can you provide a list of theatre please?
and the contact an Lions gate, I'd like to call them directly for an official comment.
Thanks
Do not feed...
Well, you know the rest.
And you Batman posting constantly negative stuff, the same stuff ,over and over and over is going to help?
Go and PROMOTE the film on other sites rather than constantly bemoan its chances on here.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 23 September, 2012, 03:28:35 PM
Just out of curiosity Batman..why are you being a tit?
Because fans on other forums are worried that the film will not be a success at the box office. Some fans have heard that some theatres are gonna pull the movie from showings by next weekend, just in time for the likes of Looper and Taken 2. Plus, it did well below Lionsgate expectations at the box office Stateside hasn't helped matters. I'm sorry if certain individuals are finding my behaviour in this topic to be crass but I personally hope it does extremely well Stateside, enough to warrent both the trilogy AND TV series that Alex Garland is hoping for.
Rumours and speculation that's how your post reads any idiot on a forum can start a rumour. It doesn't make it true
Interesting post from another movie thread, about another one pointlessly started when there was another one about the same subject...
"First time posting in here (was more interested in the comics than the film tbh with ya)!!!! " (BSC)
So you weren't interested and now you're trolling. I'm off to another thread before I say something offensive about the mentally challenged...
Quote from: Mudcrab on 23 September, 2012, 04:05:31 PM
Interesting post from another movie thread, about another one pointlessly started when there was another one about the same subject...
"First time posting in here (was more interested in the comics than the film tbh with ya)!!!! " (BSC)
So you weren't interested and now ou're trolling. I'm off to another thread before I say something offensive about the mentally challenged...
That vaugely rings a bell, could you please post the topic to see if I was refering to the '95 film or not.
Really Batman, what someone says on a forum without any sources or proof should just be disregarded, that is the case with ANY forum, no proof = just some guy down the pub telling you dog's can't look up.
Ok, I'll agree with that statement. Cheers mate!!! I' looking forward for any announcement regarding a sequel in the coming months.
Post from Amsterdam, well, it's early days!
People in IMDB board are really nice, there always so troll / twats! But we get more new posts from new people that they likes the film! Which is great!
Oh Batman, please read the boards here! And your posts about any spoilers very strangest...
Cheers!
Bloody hell, just notice new thread! Good job on lock it! As that twat post same title in IMDB, and people there just ignore him. Sad fucker.
As I say before, it early days. :)
And it's great here in Amsterdam!
Peace out!
What happens in the Dam,stays in the Dam ;)
Fucking love that place.
Quote from: Goaty on 23 September, 2012, 04:45:39 PM
Bloody hell, just notice new thread! Good job on lock it! As that twat post same title in IMDB, and people there just ignore him. Sad fucker.
As I say before, it early days. :)
And it's great here in Amsterdam!
Peace out!
You referring to me as a "sad fucker"?
Reading again, silly.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha oh god this is literally painful and hilarious to read at the same time, does everyone realise this? It's a cult film. And apparently, a film cult.
Quote from: Goaty on 23 September, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
Reading again, silly.
Just what the fuck are you talking about?
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 September, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
Reading again, silly.
Just what the fuck are you talking about?
No need for that!Goaty was stating that you should read the previous comment again, as the sad fucker being referred to was Sc*jo.
The top 6
1 N House at the End of The Street Rela. $13,000,000
2 N End of Watch ORF $13,000,000 -
3 N Trouble with the Curve WB $12,720,000
4 2 Finding Nemo (3D) BV $9,446,000
5 1 Resident Evil: Retribution SGem $6,700,000
6 N Dredd LGF $6,300,000 -
Looking at this, the weekend was poor for all the films, so, all in all, I guess it held it's own.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 23 September, 2012, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 September, 2012, 05:09:03 PM
Reading again, silly.
Just what the fuck are you talking about?
No need for that!Goaty was stating that you should read the previous comment again, as the sad fucker being referred to was Sc*jo.
Oh, apologies to Goaty. I'm still a little upset that he didn't apologise to me for calling me an "idiot" over the Ridley/Tony Scott debacle!!!
Looking at those figures, it's unlikely to be seeing a sequel in anything other than straight to video or IDW comic terms.
Um....is it's possible to put good spin on this ? Grabbing straws to find something. Best with no comment.
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Um....is it's possible to put good spin on this ? Grabbing straws to find something. Best with no comment.
It's still early days i'm suprised that people are giving up it's still got time to build traction and relly all the numbers suggest is a bad weekend for all the films involved
Yeah it's crap for all of them,give another week or so,might pick up.
Quote from: klute on 23 September, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Um....is it's possible to put good spin on this ? Grabbing straws to find something. Best with no comment.
It's still early days i'm suprised that people are giving up it's still got time to build traction and relly all the numbers suggest is a bad weekend for all the films involved
Yeah perhaps you are right, but a movie not screened for critics, made in 2010 and with horrible critical reception earns double. So i don't feel like i can comment on the US box office any more without being insulting to Americans. Guess the BO in USA is beyond me.
It will eventually make it's money back and it's a legitimately excellent genre piece. If you need more positive spin than that I cannot help you.
Box office has significantly increased from Friday so you never know the film might be getting some traction from word of mouth - lets see if things pick up during the week.
There's always the chance it might be a grower not a show-er but you should probably come to terms that its not going to be a huge money spinner.
Quote from: Cookyman on 23 September, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Box office has significantly increased from Friday so you never know the film might be getting some traction from word of mouth - lets see if things pick up during the week.
This
Well it's likely will be up this week. Now is afternoon in US so the week not over.
Any whimpers, 10 years in the cubes with repeatable views of Batman And Robin, creeps!
Whatever happens we got a bloody good film out of all this - let's not all start scrapping. Nobody I know went to see Dredd, no matter how good I said it was. Not because of anything but they just don't bother with cinema anymore. They will probably all get around to seeing it but will wait for DVD. Don't most people do that now? I very rarely go to see anything, it's just to pricey and there's better things to spend money on for a good night out. I'm sure DVD and iTunes sales will be great and it's a shame so much rests on how many people see it at the cinema.
Quite.
This year, I've seen TDKR, Prometheus and Dredd at the cinema.
I didn't see John Carter, I didn't see Avengers, I didn't see Spiderman and I doubt I'll see the Hobbit.
Quote from: Goaty on 23 September, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
Well it's likely will be up this week. Now is afternoon in US so the week not over.
Any whimpers, 10 years in the cubes with repeatable views of Batman And Robin, creeps!
Oi! Get back to being on holiday!
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 23 September, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
The top 6
1 N House at the End of The Street Rela. $13,000,000
2 N End of Watch ORF $13,000,000 -
3 N Trouble with the Curve WB $12,720,000
4 2 Finding Nemo (3D) BV $9,446,000
5 1 Resident Evil: Retribution SGem $6,700,000
6 N Dredd LGF $6,300,000 -
Looking at this, the weekend was poor for all the films, so, all in all, I guess it held it's own.
is that for fri and sat takeings and not sun im assuming it is as its still sunday
Quote from: hazy efc on 23 September, 2012, 06:39:20 PM
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 23 September, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
The top 6
1 N House at the End of The Street Rela. $13,000,000
2 N End of Watch ORF $13,000,000 -
3 N Trouble with the Curve WB $12,720,000
4 2 Finding Nemo (3D) BV $9,446,000
5 1 Resident Evil: Retribution SGem $6,700,000
6 N Dredd LGF $6,300,000 -
Looking at this, the weekend was poor for all the films, so, all in all, I guess it held it's own.
is that for fri and sat takeings and not sun im assuming it is as its still sunday
That's the estimated 3 day.
Given the 50 mill US alone target then it's clear we won't get a sequel.
We did get a bloody good film though and I think it has a decent chance of making its money back with all international sales and once the blu ray and DVD releases come out.
Does look like cinema is generally struggling now. Makes me wonder how long any films are going to be getting much funding really.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 23 September, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
Does look like cinema is generally struggling now. Makes me wonder how long any films are going to be getting much funding really.
Indeed.I think the real money is in TV.
Quote from: blackmocco on 23 September, 2012, 05:00:58 AM
I've been barraging my Facebook page with everything Dredd related the last few weeks to the point where I thought maybe I was damaging friendships. Haha!
Dredd fans are the new Paultards.
Worst month in US cinema since in years.. And a low budget british indie film with an 18 certificate based on a niche comic character starring relatively unknowns makes the the top ten..with 6 million dollars... Its pretty good performance and its a decent movie.
And thats bad because?
Yeah, maybe weve all been fixating on that magical 50 Mill figure too much.
But doing any box office googling and the nightmare phrase of DREDD FLOPS!! crops up a bit too often, for my liking. Regardless of any sequels, im just hoping it does pretty good during its run (which were only a couple of days into) to negate this impression.
Indeed.I think the real money is in TV.
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Yeah it certainly seems to be going that way. I read a good article a while ago going on about how dramatically subscription channels, and inparticular HBO, have changed the dynamic between cinema and TV. Studios are getting more nervous about making movies (was it Universal that postponed the new Bond for two years or whatever it was because it was on the verge of bankruptcy?), and TV is a much safer bet. HBO has pretty much been the standard bearer for this with large budget high quality productions, and not just visually. The Saprano's owned the Emmy's for about 6 years. Just look how many well known performers have moved into TV. I saw Steve Buscemi talking about that fact the dramatically wise the biggest risk takers and most exciting projects were now largely on TV.
Smarter production has also made changed things a lot as well. Spartacus wouldn't have exisited 5 years ago, and not just because of the level and graphic nature of the violence in it. They've gotten around the need for expensive location shoots by using clever productiona and stylings. Lets not forget Game of Thrones either and it's reported $6M per episode budget. I bet you could make a good Dredd show for a fraction of that budget, lets face wouldn't need a fraction of the cast!
I believe Alex Garland himself said that he thought that Dredds most likely continuation would be in TV.I'd fucking love to see that.
Slightly OT, but has the TIFF video where Garland debunks the "we copied the raid" thing been posted yet, just seen it and he is VERY candid to put it mildly.
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 08:00:33 PM
Slightly OT, but has the TIFF video where Garland debunks the "we copied the raid" thing been posted yet, just seen it and he is VERY candid to put it mildly.
Love to see that-should've released it as a trailer! :lol:
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 08:00:33 PM
Slightly OT, but has the TIFF video where Garland debunks the "we copied the raid" thing been posted yet, just seen it and he is VERY candid to put it mildly.
I think it may have - but worth posting again, I entirely sympathise with him and really despair of those shamefully lazy c**ts reviewing it who don't do their research.
Is 40 odd million really seen as low budget the days? Crazy, not so long ago it seemed low budget could mean less than a million or a couple of million. Something like monsters was what I'd call low budget, where they made it for under half a million dollars.
Alex Garlands Raid debunk :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GGkKfs6kheQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GGkKfs6kheQ)
Blah blah box office, see i'm still on topic :)
Alex Garland has been realistic enough all along to realise that $50 mil in the States was always going to be a tall order, with little chance of a sequel. His cautious words have seemingly come to fruition, so we shouldn't be too shocked at the outcome.
Ultimately, we have a fantastic Dredd film which will be enjoyed for many years to come by those that care.
I still hope that, somehow, they manage to put out another one in a few years time.... could a good Dredd film be made for $30 mil?
Quote from: painbros22 on 23 September, 2012, 08:15:39 PM
Alex Garlands Raid debunk :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GGkKfs6kheQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GGkKfs6kheQ)
Blah blah box office, see i'm still on topic :)
He's a really good bloke....he looks like he can handle himself too!
there saying its
$6.3 million on its debut weekend.....
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 23 September, 2012, 12:09:45 AM
I step away from the forum for five minutes...
Hurrah, Sharky's back in the water! You made it out of the sickbed for a look-see at Dredd yet, TLS?
Quote from: MattJW on 23 September, 2012, 08:19:39 PM
Alex Garland has been realistic enough all along to realise that $50 mil in the States was always going to be a tall order, with little chance of a sequel. His cautious words have seemingly come to fruition, so we shouldn't be too shocked at the outcome.
Ultimately, we have a fantastic Dredd film which will be enjoyed for many years to come by those that care.
I still hope that, somehow, they manage to put out another one in a few years time.... could a good Dredd film be made for $30 mil?
I'll be optimistic and say at this point anything is possible. Reports from those in the U.S who have actually seen the film show that they have loved it, but the Stallone version still colours the general public's perception of Dredd. Even though it doesn't look too good right now, I think Dredd could stick around in the charts for a few weeks to come, maybe not in time to make $50 mil, but in time for people to realise that it is something more special than say Resident Evil.
People aren't always very quick to pick up on something unusual, like Karl Urban has said Dredd as a film exists within the Cult Classic department, along with The Thing and Assault on Precinct 13.
I'm sure something good will come as a result of this film in any case.
It's not even been out for 3 full days and 'some' are saying it's a disaster!
Let's just wait and see what the end take is before we all go mad and eat ourselves in torment. To even start a thread saying it has died was a wee bit rash, to say the least but that's what forums are for and I wouldn't want to live in a country where people can't express such things. Saying that, can we just wait until the final outcome before we do please!
I'm looking at word of mouth when people go back to work to bring some extra trade to see the film. Sometimes this is what it takes to reach certain targets and from all the positive remarks on the web the film is hitting the target for about 95% (that's just from my looking about and in no way official, obviously).
It still has to visit other territories and I know the magic $50 was said about America but let's just see how it goes around the globe as well. One thing I am amazed with is that it still hasn't hit the torrents.
As has been mentioned earlier, we have a film to be proud of and most true fans are really happy with the whole package. If anything, I feel for all the creative team because we know what they put into this film. Saying that, I'm always positive and I nearly went down the same path that I'm complaining about just then!
SANITY^
From Box Office Mojo (not Scojo!):
In sixth place, comic book adaptation/remake Dredd bombed with just $6.3 million from 2,506 locations. That's less than one-third of Kick-Ass's $19.8 million, and only a little over half of the original Judge Dredd's $12.3 million (and that movie was considered a flop 17 years ago!). It's at least up on Shoot 'Em Up ($5.7 million) and about on par with April's Lockout ($6.2 million), though those comparisons suggest Dredd is on track for less than $20 million through its entire run. The audience was predominantly male (75 percent) and older (69 percent were 25 years of age or older) and they gave the movie a "B" CinemaScore. A 3D share is not currently available.
Dredd's awful performance is the latest example of how the Comic-Con/online fanboy crowd just doesn't make up a large portion of the moviegoers in this country. The movie came out of its Comic-Con screening in July with tons of online buzz and very strong reviews, and it maintained a 100 percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes through at least its first 25 reviews (though it ultimately wound up at a more-reasonable 77 percent). As a result, the fanboy audience was very aware of this movie ahead of release, and anticipation seemed to be pretty high among this group as well. Ultimately, though, it's just not a big-enough group to drive strong business. For a good dissection of the hazards of targeting fanboys, check out this piece from earlier this year in The Hollywood Reporter.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3530&p=.htm
"On par with Lockout".
Disgraceful. Utterly disgraceful.
At least its not Pluto Nash, that would be wrist slitting bad. Or Oogielovies that 12 people saw. Not matter how bad things look things can be much worse.
More details on New York Times website.
http://movies.nytimes.com/movies/boxoffice/us/weekend.html
BTW the $6.3m figure is for USA and Canada.
Top 10 for an R rated niche movie isn't bad, especially when there's a flag waving cop movie.. Interestingly the user rating for End of watch is 2, while Dredd's is 4.5 out of 5..
Quote from: judge devs on 23 September, 2012, 07:56:41 PM
Indeed.I think the real money is in TV.
Yeah it certainly seems to be going that way. I read a good article a while ago going on about how dramatically subscription channels, and inparticular HBO, have changed the dynamic between cinema and TV. Studios are getting more nervous about making movies (was it Universal that postponed the new Bond for two years or whatever it was because it was on the verge of bankruptcy?), and TV is a much safer bet. HBO has pretty much been the standard bearer for this with large budget high quality productions, and not just visually. The Saprano's owned the Emmy's for about 6 years. Just look how many well known performers have moved into TV. I saw Steve Buscemi talking about that fact the dramatically wise the biggest risk takers and most exciting projects were now largely on TV.
Smarter production has also made changed things a lot as well. Spartacus wouldn't have exisited 5 years ago, and not just because of the level and graphic nature of the violence in it. They've gotten around the need for expensive location shoots by using clever productiona and stylings. Lets not forget Game of Thrones either and it's reported $6M per episode budget. I bet you could make a good Dredd show for a fraction of that budget, lets face wouldn't need a fraction of the cast![/quote]
I gotta disagree, getting something on TV is just as hard if not harder than movies, and for various reasons it can't really replace movies. For one thing the $6m an episode for GoT is of course 60 mil for the 10 episode season of the show, a higher budget than the Dredd movie. Also those coveted cable channel slots are few and far between.
And of course, TV isn't the best venue for stand-alone film projects. Though they all end up on video anyway. Pretty much, if anything I just think the overall lowering of cinema attendance just means we'll see movies getting lower budgets.
Woops that quote came out wrong, my reply starts from the "I gotta disagree" part. But yeah, getting a big company to give you funding and give you a TV time slot it tough in its own right, just like making a film.
I saw it Saturday night, 7:15 show. Besides me and my date, there were two other people in the "crowd".
This was in Philadelphia, a fairly big city. There is zero word-of-mouth around here.
Tough going.
Afraid to say it but that's it....Dredd has made half of what was predicted for it's opening weekend (and those predictions were already halved from earlier this month.) Yes it's had the bad luck to open on what has turned out to be one of the poorest weekends this year and the fact that next week the hot word of mouth Looper will be opening which is going to push Dredd down a further two place at least (unless by some miracle it has an upsurge) making it likely within two weeks that it will be out of the top ten....this doesn't mean it's a bad movie...far from it....Shawshank which many consider to be one of the greatest films ever made suffered a similar fate so it's in good company , It also doesn't mean Cinema is dead and that the future lies in tv, cinema is just an extremely cut throat business, it's just that not enough people outside of Britain really know who Dredd is....he's just too British.....the good news is that the film has boosted the chracters profile and hopefully new international readers will follow, and there still is the rest of the World Box office ( As I said before , there is still the chance of the film breaking even internationally ala Nanny Mcphee which took $80 million worldwide before releasing in the States)...but 2000ad has other characters such as Strontium Dog or Rogue trooper which i believe have the ability to be transformed into films with far more American appeal than Dredd has at the moment , you just need the right director and the right campaign..( I also believe there is a great Dredd movie to be made , it just may take a few more years.)...the only lesson this has taught is....stay away from Comic con , this happened last year and the year before , both Cowboys and Aliens and Sucker punch came away from the con with great buzz and then nothing....it seems to me to get that Cons approval is the commercial kiss of death and studios are placing too much fate in a minority of fans.
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Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 24 September, 2012, 01:40:47 AM
Woops that quote came out wrong, my reply starts from the "I gotta disagree" part. But yeah, getting a big company to give you funding and give you a TV time slot it tough in its own right, just like making a film.
Ha, ha yeah gotta say I was looking at the top half of that and think I wrote that!
Quote from: johnone on 24 September, 2012, 07:57:52 AM..the only lesson this has taught is....stay away from Comic con...
Rrright, so after you've made the film your secret to success is not to market it to the core audience and then everything will be okay? I don't think ComicCon has anything to do with anything, and comparing Dredd
as a film to Sucker Punch is ridiculous. It's a great film, it just hasn't found its audience - yet.
Correlation, like the man says, is not causation.
I'm not comparing Dredd to Sucker punch...(jeez Sucker Punch is bloody appalling). I'm comparing the studios relying on comic con for predictions of success.
Watchmen, Sucker punch, Cowboys and Aliens, Scott Pilgrim and Dredd all have the same problem, they got rave reviews at Comic Con. Execs in the last few years have started to make the assumption that if a film is a hit at Comic Con then it will be a hit full stop and there is no need for further work, the last three years of box office failure has proven that is not the case. That Dredd was a hit at the Con and that was great but it was also preaching to the converted...and that section of the audience is I'm afraid a minority of the audience a film needs.
(by the way anyone saying Watchmen was a hit ,I'm sorry but thanks to the unique way Watchmen was funded...it flopped at the U.S box office.)
Ahh yes Fisticuffs I should have used a paragraph but the question is do you disagree with what I wrote?
Quote from: johnone on 24 September, 2012, 09:12:01 AMExecs in the last few years have started to make the assumption that if a film is a hit at Comic Con then it will be a hit full stop and there is no need for further work...
Okay, that point's a lot clearer than it was in your previous post. You're stating that Dredd's performance on opening weekend is a result of 'execs' sitting on their laurels after ComicCon. I'd say that's a serious misreading of a situation where advertising money was in short supply, and was spent judiciously.
In Dredds case , Comic Con success was not the problem! The fact it was independently financed and thus did not have the budget to promote was a far greater problem ....when you see that John Carter spent at least the whole of Dredd's budget on marketing alone you realise the mountain Dredd has to climb...the decision as well to have it shown mainly in 3D may not have been the best especially as an R rated film, (Here in ireland If you didn't want to see Dredd in 3D you would have to travel 180 miles to see a 2d version.)
But this is all hindsight as I said before the main problem simply is Dredd is not well known in the States outside of the Sylvester Stallone disaster. Hopefully the film will at least garner more positive attention to the character in the U.S market and hopefully allow Dredd on screen again at some point in the near future and that's not unrealistic , they are still planning a relaunch of the Punisher even though two punisher films flopped in the space of eight years.
As for Comic con I used the term studios plural...they along with fans have been guilty of assuming that Comic Con Success will equal box office triumph but if you look at the last three years it could not be further from the truth which leads to massive disappointment...as I stated before with the films I listed , all did great guns at Comic Con only to crash and burn at the box office..the question is where the hell did this kind of thinking come from?it's actually bad business....Dredd did exceptionally well ,it got brilliant reviews from the Con and what did that buzz actually produce in terms of box office....nothing! which is a genuine shame in Dredds case as I think it's brilliant....
Quote from: johnone on 24 September, 2012, 10:08:43 AM
As for Comic con I used the term studios plural...they along with fans have been guilty of assuming that Comic Con Success will equal box office triumph but if you look at the last three years it could not be further from the truth which leads to massive disappointment...
Yes, but I don't see how that is relevant to how the movie actually performs at the box office. Our expectations as fans may be unrelaistically high, but how does that affect anything except ourselves? If you're arguing that eventual fan disappointment in box office take is hightened by early success at ComicCon, then I agree: other than that I just don't see the link. It strikes me that good word-of-mouth is always a good thing, so its worth a shot generating that with the grass-roots, but if the great unwashed don't want to see a film because they'd rather watch the same repetitive pablum they watch every week, then all the WOM in the world just isn't going to help.
As to publicity, yeah, Dredd was barely visible in Ireland (
still haven't seen a poster), and I'm sure its infinitely more limited PR budget hasn't helped its cause. By contrast I felt
drowned in mainstream publicity for Sucker Punch and John Carter, and they underperformed spectacularly.
On coffees break from crazy bike riding in Amtersdam.
Honest, no matter what, we still got an awesome and quality Dredd film! Well done to the crew involve in the film, it's great production film!
And don't listen to any trolls!!!
Peace out!
Well, all is not lost.. There's still the rest of the commonwealth. I know quite a few lads in South Africa are itching to see it, Australia knows Dredd, as does New Zealand..
Anyone heard any rumbles about the latest UK box office? Curious how this week went!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 September, 2012, 10:51:20 AM
Well, all is not lost.. There's still the rest of the commonwealth. I know quite a few lads in South Africa are itching to see it, Australia knows Dredd, as does New Zealand..
Just curious, I've never seen any sales numbers for 2000AD or anything, how do you know Dredd is notably popular down under? I've seen letters from there, but ditto for everywhere else.
I think what disappoints me most is that the general public is clearly happy for movies to continue targeting the lowest common denominator. You so often hear complaints about how action movies in particular have been heavily sanitised since the 1980s, in order to draw in more kids. In the UK, 18 movies became 12As, largely through the removal of blood (because a massive body count means nothing if you can't see the red stuff!), and themes were softened. Should Dredd not do terribly well, it showcases that this argument is also by and large niche, and that the majority happily eats up whatever's put in front of them.
For me, Dredd wasn't so much just about 2000 AD nor the property nor a bunch of people whose careers I respect creating a movie, but also a toe in the water as to whether cinema could take on such a movie without it being extreme (torture porn like Saw 3463, say) or part of an ongoing series.
As for the rest of the Commonwealth, here's hoping, but I can't imagine between SA, NZ and Oz they'll take in more than the UK did.
A considered response to the box office performance
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/dredd/22760/dredd-struggles-at-us-box-office
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 24 September, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 September, 2012, 10:51:20 AM
Well, all is not lost.. There's still the rest of the commonwealth. I know quite a few lads in South Africa are itching to see it, Australia knows Dredd, as does New Zealand..
Just curious, I've never seen any sales numbers for 2000AD or anything, how do you know Dredd is notably popular down under? I've seen letters from there, but ditto for everywhere else.
Well, I do know that in SA there's more people than I expected who are familiar with 2000AD.. I am being somewhat presumptuous, I admit. I do reckon that Dredd resonates more with Aussies than it would with Americans..
QuoteI think what disappoints me most is that the general public is clearly happy for movies to continue targeting the lowest common denominator. You so often hear complaints about how action movies in particular have been heavily sanitised since the 1980s, in order to draw in more kids. In the UK, 18 movies became 12As, largely through the removal of blood (because a massive body count means nothing if you can't see the red stuff!), and themes were softened. Should Dredd not do terribly well, it showcases that this argument is also by and large niche, and that the majority happily eats up whatever's put in front of them.
For me, Dredd wasn't so much just about 2000 AD nor the property nor a bunch of people whose careers I respect creating a movie, but also a toe in the water as to whether cinema could take on such a movie without it being extreme (torture porn like Saw 3463, say) or part of an ongoing series.
Yep, this is
exactly how I feel. I've commented on that Den of Geek piece a similar sentiment. Dredd bombing isn't just bad for Dredd - it'll have ramifications for British films and genre films in general. There was always more at stake here than the success or failure of one film.
Perhaps this signifies a broader trend in film - people like us have become used to being the centre of the universe for filmmakers, but maybe that's not the case any more?
Maybe the sad truth is simply that we're not that valued market any more, and the younger generation coming of age now - as hard as it is to swallow - genuinely prefers Resident Evil 5 and Underworld 4 and The Sweeney and Total Remake and House at the End of the Street to (in our eyes) more considered, sophisticated fare like Dredd, or Moon, or District 9, or Children of Men. They adore The Hunger Games, but would reject Battle Royale. It seems utterly bewildering to us, but only in the way our favoured pop-culture was to our parent's generation - we just don't understand how people can lap up this shit.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 September, 2012, 11:22:11 AM
Just curious, I've never seen any sales numbers for 2000AD or anything, how do you know Dredd is notably popular down under? I've seen letters from there, but ditto for everywhere else.
Well, I do know that in SA there's more people than I expected who are familiar with 2000AD.. I am being somewhat presumptuous, I admit. I do reckon that Dredd resonates more with Aussies than it would with Americans..
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Does it? I mean maybe it does, I don't know. As you can tell from this topic, I do kind of question these things. And it's my personal opinion that Dredd's lack of success in America is not due to it not resonating with us, it's more to due with circumstances, timing, and how it's been done. If 2000AD was available over here as inexpensively as in the UK for starters, I do think it would have caught on more. Granted its available everywhere digitally now.
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 11:29:13 AM
QuoteI think what disappoints me most is that the general public is clearly happy for movies to continue targeting the lowest common denominator. You so often hear complaints about how action movies in particular have been heavily sanitised since the 1980s, in order to draw in more kids. In the UK, 18 movies became 12As, largely through the removal of blood (because a massive body count means nothing if you can't see the red stuff!), and themes were softened. Should Dredd not do terribly well, it showcases that this argument is also by and large niche, and that the majority happily eats up whatever's put in front of them.
For me, Dredd wasn't so much just about 2000 AD nor the property nor a bunch of people whose careers I respect creating a movie, but also a toe in the water as to whether cinema could take on such a movie without it being extreme (torture porn like Saw 3463, say) or part of an ongoing series.
Yep, this is exactly how I feel. I've commented on that Den of Geek piece a similar sentiment. Dredd bombing isn't just bad for Dredd - it'll have ramifications for British films and genre films in general. There was always more at stake here than the success or failure of one film.
Perhaps this signifies a broader trend in film - people like us have become used to being the centre of the universe for filmmakers, but maybe that's not the case any more?
Maybe the sad truth is simply that we're not that valued market any more, and the younger generation coming of age now - as hard as it is to swallow - genuinely prefers Resident Evil 5 and Underworld 4 and The Sweeney and Total Remake and House at the End of the Street to (in our eyes) more considered, sophisticated fare like Dredd, or Moon, or District 9, or Children of Men. They adore The Hunger Games, but would reject Battle Royale. It seems utterly bewildering to us, but only in the way our favoured pop-culture was to our parent's generation - we just don't understand how people can lap up this shit.
Because their sheep they follow the herd just like with avatar not one person i no could tell me why they went to see it other than its in 3D its nuts i didnt go and see dredd twice because its in 3D i went because its a great movie all round a guy posted on here saying he was gonna go pay to see resident evil knowing it was probably going to be crap i mean what the hell is up with people
Quote from: MattJW on 23 September, 2012, 10:36:09 PM
From Box Office Mojo (not Scojo!):
In sixth place, comic book adaptation/remake Dredd bombed with just $6.3 million from 2,506 locations. That's less than one-third of Kick-Ass's $19.8 million, and only a little over half of the original Judge Dredd's $12.3 million (and that movie was considered a flop 17 years ago!). It's at least up on Shoot 'Em Up ($5.7 million) and about on par with April's Lockout ($6.2 million), though those comparisons suggest Dredd is on track for less than $20 million through its entire run. The audience was predominantly male (75 percent) and older (69 percent were 25 years of age or older) and they gave the movie a "B" CinemaScore. A 3D share is not currently available.
Dredd's awful performance is the latest example of how the Comic-Con/online fanboy crowd just doesn't make up a large portion of the moviegoers in this country. The movie came out of its Comic-Con screening in July with tons of online buzz and very strong reviews, and it maintained a 100 percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes through at least its first 25 reviews (though it ultimately wound up at a more-reasonable 77 percent). As a result, the fanboy audience was very aware of this movie ahead of release, and anticipation seemed to be pretty high among this group as well. Ultimately, though, it's just not a big-enough group to drive strong business. For a good dissection of the hazards of targeting fanboys, check out this piece from earlier this year in The Hollywood Reporter.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3530&p=.htm
Well there's another site I won't be generating clicks for. Dunno about the rest of you, but I absolutely fucking detest being referred to as a "fanboy". As far as I'm concerned it's nothing but a derogatory term (esp. in gaming) and whoever wrote that can suck my balls.
Quote from: hazy efc on 24 September, 2012, 11:46:23 AM
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 11:29:13 AM
QuoteI think what disappoints me most is that the general public is clearly happy for movies to continue targeting the lowest common denominator. You so often hear complaints about how action movies in particular have been heavily sanitised since the 1980s, in order to draw in more kids. In the UK, 18 movies became 12As, largely through the removal of blood (because a massive body count means nothing if you can't see the red stuff!), and themes were softened. Should Dredd not do terribly well, it showcases that this argument is also by and large niche, and that the majority happily eats up whatever's put in front of them.
For me, Dredd wasn't so much just about 2000 AD nor the property nor a bunch of people whose careers I respect creating a movie, but also a toe in the water as to whether cinema could take on such a movie without it being extreme (torture porn like Saw 3463, say) or part of an ongoing series.
Yep, this is exactly how I feel. I've commented on that Den of Geek piece a similar sentiment. Dredd bombing isn't just bad for Dredd - it'll have ramifications for British films and genre films in general. There was always more at stake here than the success or failure of one film.
Perhaps this signifies a broader trend in film - people like us have become used to being the centre of the universe for filmmakers, but maybe that's not the case any more?
Maybe the sad truth is simply that we're not that valued market any more, and the younger generation coming of age now - as hard as it is to swallow - genuinely prefers Resident Evil 5 and Underworld 4 and The Sweeney and Total Remake and House at the End of the Street to (in our eyes) more considered, sophisticated fare like Dredd, or Moon, or District 9, or Children of Men. They adore The Hunger Games, but would reject Battle Royale. It seems utterly bewildering to us, but only in the way our favoured pop-culture was to our parent's generation - we just don't understand how people can lap up this shit.
Because their sheep they follow the herd just like with avatar not one person i no could tell me why they went to see it other than its in 3D its nuts i didnt go and see dredd twice because its in 3D i went because its a great movie all round a guy posted on here saying he was gonna go pay to see resident evil knowing it was probably going to be crap i mean what the hell is up with people
Full stops! ;)
That was me. What I meant by it is that film-goers are creatures of habit. I went to the first Resi movie in the cinema with my brother, it was bad but we had a laugh and it generated a lot of enjoyable bad movie banter so I've gone back with mates every time one has come out and had a similarly good time each time. In the right company a certain kind of bad movie can be really, really fun.
I do consider myself discerning film fan, and wouldn't for a moment try and suggest something like Resident Evil is more worthy of my money than something genuinely well crafted like Dredd. I just saw some comments that seemed to assume Resident Evil would flop because it looked bad, or even that Dredd would outperform it because it was the better film, I was just pointing out that regardless of these factors neither of those things really had any chance of happening. And they didn't.
Quotea guy posted on here saying he was gonna go pay to see resident evil knowing it was probably going to be crap i mean what the hell is up with people
I don't get it either. My sister and her husband have been to see all of the Pirates of the Caribbean films at the cinema, but if you press them on it, in truth they only actually genuinely
enjoyed the first one. It's almost like they keep going to see them out of habit.
I have to
force them to watch stuff like District 9 (which they'd never heard of, but which blew their minds) - and it looks like I'll have to force my brother in law to watch Dredd, because he didn't go to the cinema to see it. But I know he did go to see The Expendables 2, and he was probably underwhelmed by it. Go figure.
It's frustrating - some people need to be reassured by seeing a face, a name they recognise. Personally, I've never understood the allure of 'stars'. All I want to know is 'Is this film any good?'.
Timing is everything. I think it's a shame the 3D bubble burst - if Dredd had come out a year or 18 months ago I think it may have had a bigger impact. I'm glad they took their time and gave us a quality product though. I think quality always shines through in the end.
Even if we don't get a sequel straight away we may not have seen the end of Dredd on film. I hope the IDW comic sells well and helps to boost Dredd's profile in the US. I never thought we'd see another Rocketeer film but this is now on the cards. A combination of cult-love for the old (a flop at the time) film and rising comic book success has made Disney think about re-booting the franchise on film. So never say never!
I wonder where the comic book movie is heading as a genre in general. After the mega-success of the Avengers and Dark Knight there doesn't seem to be much room for the lesser known characters to make their mark. Films like Ghost Rider, Jonah Hex, Punisher, The Spirit or Green Hornet never seem to make any money (and yes I know that most of those are crap). It seems strange that one of the first successful comic adaptations that helped kick off the upsurge of comic book movies was Blade. I went into that film expecting another Phantom or The Shadow and came out amazed. But if they made another Blade film now, with a similar budget, would it perform any better than Dredd?
I'll be interested to see how Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy perform with the might of Disney and the Marvel brand behind them (I'd actually argue that the Marvel brand works similar to the Pixar brand - a mark of quality that brings in an audience regardless).
I think the next major shift in trend will be an upsurge in gamer films. Another genre that's traditionally panned. If the upcoming Assassin's Creed film is even half decent and Halo ever gets made we can expect a slew of game IPs on the big screen.
Maybe the smart move for Rebellion would be to get their IP's into some decent games for the next generation of consoles. It's the only stepping stone that's likely to see a Rogue or Stront film made.
Anyway, I haven't written off Dredd yet. It's a slow burner, that's all.
Wish this thread would just get locked so we can all move on basically then we can update 3-4 months down the line. Everyone is saying give it time, and i agree. Lets give it time, lock the thread and update later on when there is good news to report, this thread is just collective depression with some denial thrown in. Beyond caring what BO Dredd does now, seems a little irrevevant.
Ok we can all speculate on why Dredd is not pulling in the punters, be it lack of a decent add campaign/imdb etc. Bottom line is this is a big forum with a lotta luv for Dredd and all things 2000ad so it's up to us to raise awareness about this movie. See http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36817.msg708216.html#msg708216
It's worth a try.
Quote from: Mudcrab on 24 September, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
Well there's another site I won't be generating clicks for. Dunno about the rest of you, but I absolutely fucking detest being referred to as a "fanboy". As far as I'm concerned it's nothing but a derogatory term (esp. in gaming) and whoever wrote that can suck my balls.
Well said, I agree entirely. The term 'fanboy' is a load of arse, it implies you can't have a valid opinion on a subject you're into.
Dredd film is absolute quality and i'm sure it will generate enough in the long-term to secure at least one sequel (hopefully more)!
Cheers :)
Im an Aussie and Im itchin' for it to come out here!
Again I could be in the minority but I would think the character is well known here.
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 24 September, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Im an Aussie and Im itchin' for it to come out here!
Again I could be in the minority but I would think the character is well known here.
You wont be disappointed mate its fantastic how long have you gotta wait for dredd to come out in oz and is it being promoted well there
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 01:03:14 PM
Wish this thread would just get locked so we can all move on basically then we can update 3-4 months down the line. Everyone is saying give it time, and i agree. Lets give it time, lock the thread and update later on when there is good news to report, this thread is just collective depression with some denial thrown in. Beyond caring what BO Dredd does now, seems a little irrevevant.
Dude, you can move on any time you want to.
Just checked Prometheus' box office - an extremely well crafted, challenging, horrific and existential movie - and it did a fucking ton at the box office. It's not even out on Blu Ray yet. Dredd appears to have failed because they spunked the budget on boys who are also fans and - can we be honest here? - there's nothing about Dredd that resonates with a wider audience. He's just a robot–like bastard with a gun. Robocop was about a robot that is really a man, Dredd is the inverse.
I got my excellent, tasteful movie. Garland clearly doesn't understand that his wholly original stories are the best way to go for sequels, and I have no interest in more Cursed Earth or the Dark Judges. I'm content.
Quote from: atp on 12 September, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
Come on guys 'n' gals, this is the internet age. Look how many people are posting on this site. If everyone with a non country specific email address i.e. .com and not .co.uk etc, sent an email to all the entertainment pages/ editors of the main national newspapers in the countries that Dredd 3D has not yet opened in, asking when the opening date is going to be, or when they are going to add a review, then bigger the number of enquires the greater the interest these papers will pay to Dredd 3D to see what's going on. Then hopefully it will get more international exposure, which in turn may boost bums on seats around the world. While you're at it get your work mates etc to do the same. Before you know it we may well have a whole series of films. If Dredd does well this time round we could see other 2000AD characters on the big screen in the future. If you shout loud enough in the right places then ears will prick up and people will listen.
your 100% spot on mate i watched this review from an american the other day just before it came out there and he said the movie was fantastic but the shame was it probably wouldnt do well at the box office in the states unless we the fans genarated a buzz about the movie
In aus Dredd is being advertised as Ma15+ which may be good for ticket sales as it means that it is open to the teenage market, although the description (Strong violence, blood and gore and drug use) may encourage teenagers to see it, parents may be put off. http://www.eventcinemas.com.au/Movie/Dredd
I just hope it doesn't also mean that it has been butchered by some nanny state censor board committee.
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 02:19:30 PM
Just checked Prometheus' box office - an extremely well crafted, challenging, horrific and existential movie
I think you just about
lost everyone there.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 02:19:30 PM
Just checked Prometheus' box office - an extremely well crafted, challenging, horrific and existential movie
I think you just about lost everyone there.
Get off the stage
Im not that bothered yet, for example, check out Last King Of Scotland...
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lastkingofscotland.htm
Opening Weekend: $142,899
(#37 rank, 4 theaters, $35,724 average)
% of Total Gross: 0.8%
> View All 34 Weekends
Widest Release: 540 theaters
went on to do:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $17,606,684 36.4%
+ Foreign: $30,756,832 63.6%
Worldwide: $48,363,516
;)
Quote from: hazy efc on 24 September, 2012, 02:14:21 PM
how long have you gotta wait for dredd to come out in oz and is it being promoted well there
25th Oct ( http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36237.msg705990.html#msg705990 )Unfortunately at the moment there hasn't been any sight nor sound of Dredd publicly i.e. posters/radio etc
[/quote]You wont be disappointed mate its fantastic how long have you gotta wait for dredd to come out in oz and is it being promoted well there
[/quote]
There are posters in the cinemas you couldnt miss if you're seeing something else, but no TV spots or billboards that Ive noticed yet. Late October I think it comes out here. Probably see ads the week its released.
I think this is one of those films that'll gain cult status (and thereby warrant sequels) over time, like Alien.
Quote from: Teivion on 24 September, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
Im not that bothered yet, for example, check out Last King Of Scotland...
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lastkingofscotland.htm
Opening Weekend: $142,899
(#37 rank, 4 theaters, $35,724 average)
% of Total Gross: 0.8%
> View All 34 Weekends
Widest Release: 540 theaters
went on to do:
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $17,606,684 36.4%
+ Foreign: $30,756,832 63.6%
Worldwide: $48,363,516
;)
So all we have to do is wait for Karl Urban to win the Oscar for Best Actor for his Dredd performance, and the film's quids in?
Quote from: GordonR on 24 September, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
So all we have to do is wait for Karl Urban to win the Oscar for Best Actor for his Dredd performance, and the film's quids in?
Shhh. These straws won't clutch themselves, you know...
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 24 September, 2012, 03:08:19 PM
I think this is one of those films that'll gain cult status (and thereby warrant sequels) over time, like Alien.
Errrr.....Alien was a major hit when it was released. The reason it took 7 years for a sequel to appear was more because of the way the film industry operated back then, when not every genre film was automatically seen as studio franchise fodder.
Quote from: GordonR on 24 September, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
So all we have to do is wait for Karl Urban to win the Oscar for Best Actor for his Dredd performance, and the film's quids in?
On the off chance that he did, should he keep the helmet on to accept the award.
Wow Prometheus was THE most disappointing film of the year. Supposed to be some existential musing on creation. All i got out of it was Evil Dead. Does that sound weird ? Well bunch of idiot teenagers ( scientists ) go into the dark woods ( alien world ) to a deserted cabin ( temple ) where they open a sealed area ( read the book of the dead ), Then they spit up, get stoned, have sex and all die one by one leaving a lone survivor ( Ash ). It just seems to use the lamest horror tropes available and wraps it all up in a pile of hogwash about "faith". Add to that it's far more scary to stand in line at the Post Office than watch Prometheus. But hey it looks great, people do like shiny things. Baffling how it nearly got half a billion.
Gutted to hear the news about the US box office takings. It's a real kick in the teeth for all of us champing at the bit to get a sequel, but I feel sorriest for the people who worked so hard on making what has turned out to be an excellent film. Their efforts deserved to be seen by a much wider audience. I just hope that word of mouth can maybe turn things around...
Vote for Dredd:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=67737
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
Wow Prometheus was THE most disappointing film of the year. Supposed to be some existential musing on creation. All i got out of it was Evil Dead. Does that sound weird ? Well bunch of idiot teenagers ( scientists ) go into the dark woods ( alien world ) to a deserted cabin ( temple ) where they open a sealed area ( read the book of the dead ), Then they spit up, get stoned, have sex and all die one by one leaving a lone survivor ( Ash ). It just seems to use the lamest horror tropes available and wraps it all up in a pile of hogwash about "faith". Add to that it's far more scary to stand in line at the Post Office than watch Prometheus. But hey it looks great, people do like shiny things. Baffling how it nearly got half a billion.
It didn't wrap everything up in a bow, it had some genuine "oh fuck" moments of body horror (direct quote from my date during the pregnancy scare) and it depicted stupidity in a way that's very believable. Better film than Dredd, and I liked Dredd.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 03:34:40 PM
Vote for Dredd:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=67737
Cheers Joe - done!
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
Wow Prometheus was THE most disappointing film of the year. Supposed to be some existential musing on creation. All i got out of it was Evil Dead. Does that sound weird ? Well bunch of idiot teenagers ( scientists ) go into the dark woods ( alien world ) to a deserted cabin ( temple ) where they open a sealed area ( read the book of the dead ), Then they spit up, get stoned, have sex and all die one by one leaving a lone survivor ( Ash ). It just seems to use the lamest horror tropes available and wraps it all up in a pile of hogwash about "faith". Add to that it's far more scary to stand in line at the Post Office than watch Prometheus. But hey it looks great, people do like shiny things. Baffling how it nearly got half a billion.
Not 100% sure if you are being serious there. The body horror was fine, but jumping up and vaulting over things 10 minutes later made it very silly indeed dampening the effect greatly.
It didn't wrap everything up in a bow, it had some genuine "oh fuck" moments of body horror (direct quote from my date during the pregnancy scare) and it depicted stupidity in a way that's very believable. Better film than Dredd, and I liked Dredd.
She was on a fuckload of space drugs. Have you ever had morphine? You wouldn't feel it.
Thats not true, she appeared to be in great pain doubling over all the time if i remember. Anyway those puny staples would have a problem holding with that kind of activity.
This is not the Prometheus thread people.
Take it where it belongs: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,33871.855.html
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Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
Thats not true, she appeared to be in great pain doubling over all the time if i remember. Anyway those puny staples would have a problem holding with that kind of activity.
Space staples.
The exact same space staples that are used in Dredd 3D [spoiler]o patch up quite an important part of his abdomen. He's at full fighting strength immediately[/spoiler].
If you wanna be consistent, I mean...
Can't comment on that mate, Dredd opens on the 27th here. Best we just drop it, it's not really on topic :)
Now pinch of salt time and DON'T get your hopes up but I saw this from one of the American regulars over on a site I vist, anyway...
''The beginning of college football conference games (Sat) and only Week 3 in the NFL (Sun) probably took away half of the target Dredd audience (men 25-35yo) this weekend. That's why I didn't see it. Next Friday night I'm there baby!!!''
Don't blame me if it's just a coincedence :)
Yeah pretty much same thing happened in the UK opening weekend, can't remember what, perhaps footie and Paraolympic's closing ceremony.
Barbecue weather too if I remember.
Could the issue be really bad release timing then, would Dredd have done much better earlier in the year ? September is a classic month where lots of movies that are deemed under performers are dumped. Are people aware of that now and skip September/October ?
So excuses aside... what's the take so far?
In the territories of release so far I'd say possibly $12-14 million.
I think we may need that Moosef*ckers :D
There was never going to be a perfect time to release it - it was always going to have to compete with something, be it hot weather, sporting events or other movies.
As it happens, I think they did pretty well to find as quiet a spot as they did in an extremely busy year for genre films, but ultimately, it turns out that only a tiny audience is ever going to be interested in seeing a Judge Dredd film. There's nothing that can change that.
Even if Dredd somehow takes double next weekend what it did this weekend in the US, it's still nowhere near reaching that 50 mil - at this point I honestly doubt whether it'll even break even worldwide theatrically.
It's sad, but that's how it is I'm afraid.
It not only means no more Dredd movies, it most likely kills any potential future 2000ad films and games too. What it all means for the continued survival of comic itself, only time will tell.
Still, rather a credible, faithful and genuinely brilliant cult film than a crap successful one, right? Imagine a Paul WS Anderson Dredd film... Doesn't bear thinking about.
http://io9.com/5945745/therell-probably-never-be-another-judge-dredd-movie (http://io9.com/5945745/therell-probably-never-be-another-judge-dredd-movie)
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
It not only means no more Dredd movies, it most likely kills any potential future 2000ad films and games too. What it all means for the continued survival of comic itself, only time will tell.
Hmmm, can I just quash any speculation about the future of 2000 AD, whatever happens with the movie? The comic is safe with Rebellion, please don't start the more nervous amongst our number panicking.
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
it most likely kills any potential future 2000ad films and games too. What it all means for the continued survival of comic itself, only time will tell.
Not at all. That's like saying because Green Lantern flopped nobody likes DC's characters. Strontium Dog, ABC Warriors, Robo-Hunter, Rogue Trooper, Slaine, Flesh are all perfectly viable properties.
Radiator, we're all taking this news pretty badly but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The movie's been well-reviewed and if anything, it gets the people who see it interested in the comics.
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
It not only means no more Dredd movies, it most likely kills any potential future 2000ad films and games too. What it all means for the continued survival of comic itself, only time will tell.
The sales of Case Files increased. A bit mad and alarmist to suggest we'll all crash and burn.
Something rather nice is the out pouring of annoyance i'm seeing on many sites that Dredd did not do as well as it should have. One site i use, Screenrant, nobody ever talked about Dredd, today there are tons of comments from people who loved it and are kinda baffled by the situation. They are even encouraging people to go see the movie asap. Same thing is happening on twitter and movie forums everywhere. People who have seen Dredd really seem to care and are taking issue with that it deserved to do much better. Even seen Nolanites with high praise for the movie. Seen many media sites also encouraging people to go see Dredd. It has touched some kind of collective nerve.
It's a bit of a travesty that Dredd hasn't made more money considering the likes of the 'Resident Evil' films continue to make truckloads of money. (Dredd may be 'Niche' but if people really wanted to watch 'good movies' Resi would've tanked on the release of the first film).
The majority of movie goers are swayed by hype, and as good as Dredd is, it wasn't heavily advertised. If it were things may have been different!
Still optimistic for a sequel!!!!
Cheers :)
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Something rather nice is the out pouring of annoyance i'm seeing on many sites that Dredd did not do as well as it should have. One site i use, Screenrant, nobody ever talked about Dredd, today there are tons of comments from people who loved it and are kinda baffled by the situation. They are even encouraging people to go see the movie asap. Same thing is happening on twitter and movie forums everywhere. People who have seen Dredd really seem to care and are taking issue with that it deserved to do much better. Even seen Nolanites with high praise for the movie. Seen many media sites also encouraging people to go see Dredd. It has touched some kind of collective nerve.
Something, all right.
So You Need To Go See 'Dredd' ASAPhttp://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/09/so-you-need-to-go-see-dredd-asap/
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Something rather nice is the out pouring of annoyance i'm seeing on many sites that Dredd did not do as well as it should have. One site i use, Screenrant, nobody ever talked about Dredd, today there are tons of comments from people who loved it and are kinda baffled by the situation. They are even encouraging people to go see the movie asap. Same thing is happening on twitter and movie forums everywhere. People who have seen Dredd really seem to care and are taking issue with that it deserved to do much better. Even seen Nolanites with high praise for the movie. Seen many media sites also encouraging people to go see Dredd. It has touched some kind of collective nerve.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. deadlinehollywood's the go-to site in Los Angeles for seeing what's going on in the industry and the comments section is usually inhabited by people working throughout the entertainment business. Most people there seem saddened and disappointed it didn't do well.
Gives you a bit o' hope for the week(s) ahead, reading all this.
And look, I'm the last person who has any faith in the likes of Facebook petitions and all that fucking nonsense but I did ask everyone on my page to post this link:
http://www.uproxx.com/gammasquad/2012/09/so-you-need-to-go-see-dredd-asap/
to their pages. It's not like it's suddenly going to convert ten million people to suddenly run out and see it but it may well sway some people who are on the fence. Every bit helps and the one thing that's helpful is that people who've seen it have loved it.
Now the gigantic publicity droid has said that about the future of the comic in the wake of Dredd 3D'S disappointing run at the us boxoffice, i can stop reading threads about the movie. The comic is in great hands, there's not much wrong with it (though it might be overdue a kick up the arse looks-wise, having been the same feel, size, shape and design for a good while now), and i hope we're good til at least the fortieth.
Dredd crashing is sad, but let's not tear each other apart over. I could say it was always going to tank as it's just not very good. That would, of course, be only my opinion, but i stick with it. Garland may have been better making a contemporary thriller about a cop on the edge who, obsessed with the character of judge dredd, periodically imagines himself to be him. That may have given him a critical hit and excused the look which killed the film for me.
Anyway- strontium dog and rogue trooper are better bets. Let's have 'em!
SBT
Done and done. I've been telling everyone I know - I despise that people think that numbers make a film and there are probably nearly a thousand good examples of brilliant films that did terribly. My DVD collection is stuffed with them.
But either way and either which it really should be seen in the cinema - I live under a rock cinemawise, Dredd 3D is the first film in a mainstream cinema I've seen in about two years. In terms of repercussions on "good comic films" and studios taking punts on genuinely heartfelt adaptations... ppff. Who can say. I can't and I won't.
I don't know much about the movie business, but surely with the raise in awareness of Dredd, and the extra sales in the books, and once DVD/Blu-Ray sales are accounted for, plus the fact the film kicks ass and critics loved it too, that's gotta be seen as a success right?
hate sounding negative but here's my input
Fu#KN NORMszzzzz to many Squares in America there ive said it :P
QuoteAnyway- strontium dog and rogue trooper are better bets. Let's have 'em!
But why would anyone want to make a film about a 2000ad character, now that a relatively low-risk film based on what is - by a million miles - it's most popular and recognisable one - is failing so dramatically?
Someone above made the comparison to Green Lantern, but it's a different kettle of fish. DC have a
proven track record of turning their characters into massively successful film franchises.
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 06:37:35 PM
But why would anyone want to make a film about a 2000ad character, now that a relatively low-risk film based on what is - by a million miles - it's most popular and recognisable one - is failing so dramatically?
I don't think we can say for sure that, just because one character fails at the American box office, others will. Strontium Dog in particular offers a lot that I think Americans will go for.
You know.. A rogue trooper movie might actually do reasonably well, because it hasn't had a franchise pissed on by a half arsed hatchet job that ruins the public's perception of the character..
Before you all pull the last bit of soil over your heads, here's a funny little anecdote form ScreenRant:
I'm a bit surprised. I saw End of watch last night, me and my girlfriend were the only ones in the theater. Everyone else in line were there to see Dredd. End of Watch ended up being one of the best movies I've seen all year. Excellently acted, different, and it sure hits emotionally hard. Very glad I saw that, but I plan on seeing Dredd next weekend or the weekend after. Depending on if I see Looper instead. But Dredd is for sure something I will eventually see. Even if it doesn't perform well at the box office I think when it comes out on DVD it will make up for it.
http://screenrant.com/end-watch-house-end-street-trouble-curve-dredd-box-office/
Quote from: radiator on 24 September, 2012, 06:37:35 PM
QuoteAnyway- strontium dog and rogue trooper are better bets. Let's have 'em!
But why would anyone want to make a film about a 2000ad character, now that a relatively low-risk film based on what is - by a million miles - it's most popular and recognisable one - is failing so dramatically?
Someone above made the comparison to Green Lantern, but it's a different kettle of fish. DC have a proven track record of turning their characters into massively successful film franchises.
Because even though it's the most popular and recognizable character, it may not be the easiest one to sell to a general public. There
is a difference, Radiator. Also, as MVK says above, the other characters haven't been introduced to the US through a misguided and clumsy first attempt. Rogue, ABC Warriors and Strontium Dog can still be approached without worrying about being pigeon-holed with Dredd's box-office takings...
Without wanting to get pulled into this further- i thought we agreed that the americans didnt know who dredd was? If no one knows who the 'most popular' character is, then all bets are off and it's a case of finding strips that have movie or franchise potential. Stront being a western, and rogue being a war story, both fit that criteria, i reckon.
To a foreign audience, it's all unknown quantities- which is just as it is for most films thatrent sequels or remakes. Whether it's slaine or space girls, all that matters is if it's good. And as i say, i dont think dredd was.
SBT
Maybe in the end Dredd and the 2000AD characters are just a niche that appeal to a certain group of people that grew up in a certain period of time. Maybe it'll never have that wider appeal.
Even if that is the case then it doesn't take away from the fact that they've given us a great film here. And great comics and fun games in the past ten years , it's been good.
I do wonder about the wider appeal. I cannot get my son and friends remotely engaged with it. I wonder if its a product of its time, as we are really, as long as we're around then let's hope it continues.
Dredd Is The Stylish 80s Action Film Expendables Wanted To Behttp://www.fempop.com/2012/09/24/dredd-is-the-stylish-80s-action-film-expendables-wanted-to-be/
QuoteAnd then I sat down and watched Dredd on his dinky motorcycle racing down a highway and weaving in between cheap boxy import vans. It's a crime riddled dirty mess of a city. A mishmash of mile high slums and row houses no one could be bothered to tear down. And the closest thing a studio action film has gotten to the 80s since the 80s.
The gore. The violence. The outrageously evil and worthless thugs. Even the LEDs on Dredd's gun. They're 80s-tastic in the best way possible.
QuoteDredd only made a little over six million in it's opening weekend. If it clears 50 million in box office receipts they'll do two sequel. WE NEED THOSE SEQUELS. There will be zombie judges according to writer/producer Alex Garland. I want that.
Out of all them Stront has the most potential, although whether the space western thing will be seen as worth playing up is debatable considering how badly Serenity did outside of the Firefly fanbase.
But it does have inventive gadgets, bizarre looking mutants, a sympathetic lead character and more obvious potential for a wider appeal than Dredd or Rogue, also a lot easier to aim for a PG-13.
It doesn't place as much strain on creating the environment that Dredd has either.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 06:16:37 PM...I could say it was always going to tank as it's just not very good...
Given that the great majority of people, both fans and non-fans who have actually seen it do think it's good, that's not the reason it's tanking. It may have picked up a much higher proportion of negative reviews since releasing in the US, but it's audience approval rating has remained solid, as has it's IMDB rating of 7.8, which, by the way is not merely good but actually a pretty exceptional score. A 'high 8.0' is sufficient to get a film onto IMDB's all-time top 250 list.
I too really love this movie and think it's great. And I also don't think quality has anything to do with money making. Lots of great things are unknown, sometimes they're successful sometimes not, it's not any automatic reflection on quality.
Quote from: junox on 24 September, 2012, 06:33:40 PM
hate sounding negative but here's my input
Fu#KN NORMszzzzz to many Squares in America there ive said it :P
Ha, you know I'm gonna ask for logic every time. So you need to work hard if you want to roast the Americans. What is your evidence for America having a higher ratio of squares than other places hmmm? And is it not hip to be square? :lol:
May I point out Freddy Kreuger was a household name and icon beloved by everyone in the 80s? He's a wisecracking child killer! Stranger things than Dredd have caught on. There's just no predicting the public zeitgeist.
Ah, if only things were as straight forward as quality=major success. Perhaps in some alternative dimension.
Still rooting for you Dreddy.
That's all fine and dandy- but of the people i went with, one loved it (my wife, whose never read a page of the strip), and the other hated it (longtime reader, between 83 and 91). This longtime reader (77-now) didnt recognise it as any dredd i knew. Everything fantastic and funny and briliant about the strip had been removed, leaving something that was, at best, an ugly pastiche of the kind of movie they dont make anymore. It was like a seaside carnival carboard-around-a-disability-scooter version of the starship enterprise. They should be applauded for the effort, but in no way mistaken for the real thing.
Look, im sorry. I know we all wanted this to be brilliant and for this thing we love to be embraced by the world- but that's seeming more unlikely by the day. I hope word of mouth makes it a grower- i saw it three painful times because i support the idea if not the execution and 2000AD is very important to me. But, frankly, the stallone one gave me more of a 'thrill' than this. And that was awful.
SBT
The biggest obstacles for Stront and Rogue are being set in Britain and being accused of ripping off other war/sci-fi movies respectively.
I wouldn't care if they changed Alpha to an american.
In fact, I think I'd prefer it.
Guys, never refer to Strontium Dog as 'Stront'.. It's the Dutch word for 'Shit'..
Dredd will make money in the end because it's good and because Sci-Fi fans will keep buying it.
I would rate the chances of a big budget sequel as pretty remote now, but hey ho, such is life.
Besides, I reckon Judge Minty will be cool.
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 September, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
I wouldn't care if they changed Alpha to an american.
In fact, I think I'd prefer it.
Yeah, preferably Adam Sandler so it could officially be the worst film ever made.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 September, 2012, 08:05:19 PM
Guys, never refer to Strontium Dog as 'Stront'.. It's the Dutch word for 'Shit'..
Every day's a school day. Apologies-I hate it when people abbreviate stuff too.
No no, it's Slaine they need to make American. :D Set it in an alternate reality 1970s, maybe with kind of a disco soundtrack, yeah baby.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:16 PMBut, frankly, the stallone one gave me more of a 'thrill' than this. And that was awful.
The only review that really matters - the SBT seal of disapproval! You
know a film is almost flawless when Steev can't be bothered with it. :D
So far UK box office is looking like this :
1. Paranorman
2 [ unknown yet ]
3. The House At The End Of The Street
4. The Sweeney
No news about Dredd yet, only other thing i know is Savages only made 380 K, so that one i doubt is in the top five.
Dunno if End Of Watch opened in the UK.
If Dredd holds at 5th place then excellent, though the unknown 2nd place is interesting.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:16 PM
That's all fine and dandy- but of the people i went with, one loved it (my wife, whose never read a page of the strip), and the other hated it (longtime reader, between 83 and 91). This longtime reader (77-now) didnt recognise it as any dredd i knew. Everything fantastic and funny and briliant about the strip had been removed, leaving something that was, at best, an ugly pastiche of the kind of movie they dont make anymore. It was like a seaside carnival carboard-around-a-disability-scooter version of the starship enterprise. They should be applauded for the effort, but in no way mistaken for the real thing.
Look, im sorry. I know we all wanted this to be brilliant and for this thing we love to be embraced by the world- but that's seeming more unlikely by the day. I hope word of mouth makes it a grower- i saw it three painful times because i support the idea if not the execution and 2000AD is very important to me. But, frankly, the stallone one gave me more of a 'thrill' than this. And that was awful.
SBT
You saw a movie you didn't like three times because you like a comic?
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 08:13:37 PM
You saw a movie you didn't like three times because you like a comic?
It's called 'character'. Steev has great sloppy buckets of it.
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:16 PM
That's all fine and dandy- but of the people i went with, one loved it (my wife, whose never read a page of the strip), and the other hated it (longtime reader, between 83 and 91). This longtime reader (77-now) didnt recognise it as any dredd i knew. Everything fantastic and funny and briliant about the strip had been removed, leaving something that was, at best, an ugly pastiche of the kind of movie they dont make anymore. It was like a seaside carnival carboard-around-a-disability-scooter version of the starship enterprise. They should be applauded for the effort, but in no way mistaken for the real thing.
Look, im sorry. I know we all wanted this to be brilliant and for this thing we love to be embraced by the world- but that's seeming more unlikely by the day. I hope word of mouth makes it a grower- i saw it three painful times because i support the idea if not the execution and 2000AD is very important to me. But, frankly, the stallone one gave me more of a 'thrill' than this. And that was awful.
SBT
You saw a movie you didn't like three times because you like a comic?
Yes. Supporting the movie regardless. Deserves respect.
Ok figures in :
Dredd 9th with £382,359 Running total £3,696,772
Supporting a movie he.... doesn't like?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:16 PMI know we all wanted this to be brilliant...
Thing is, most of us do think it's brilliant as the overwhelming response on these forums should demonstrate.
I completely understand the opposite opinion, however. Over the years the Dredd strip has shown many, many different sides, had many different stories told in many different styles. Even just looking at what Wagner has written - he's unlike many other comic writers in that he can turn his hand to any type of story and Dredd has benefited enormously from his versatility.
The film, on the other hand, has a laser-like focus on a single tone, a single style, a single type of Dredd story. Just one note. In my (and from what I have seen most other fans on this forum) opinion it hits that one particular note exactly right. Hell, even Wagner himself agrees. But it's still only one note, not the full symphony... and if it's one you're not that keen on, of course you aren't going to like it.
Spot on, Mark. I know what I usually want in my Dredd is crazes, fatties, troggies, more crazs, batgliders, etcetera plus police procedurals, the glacial grinding Dredd's character development and the shifting political landscape around him. But those are only some of the many aspects of the strip. As you so clearly put it, we got a different single facet of the oh-so-versatile Judge Dredd strip: but the style we got was pitch-perfect.
Sorry to go off topic
Never read Johnny Alpha as a Brit,he was Mel gibson in my mind and Wulf was Arnie? Not read it since I was a kid and I do remember lots of Milton Keynes references though
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:16 PMLook, im sorry. I know we all wanted this to be brilliant and for this thing we love to be embraced by the world- but that's seeming more unlikely by the day. I hope word of mouth makes it a grower- i saw it three painful times because i support the idea if not the execution and 2000AD is very important to me. But, frankly, the stallone one gave me more of a 'thrill' than this. And that was awful.
SBT
But most people who have actually seen it have embraced it. That's good enough for me, and it's probably the main reason I believe a sequel is on the cards. Or maybe I'm just a little naive in thinking the universe will reward their efforts.
Either way I'm not quite worried at this point.
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
Some video games and random things have raised millions of dollars on kickstarter, hey, ha if nothing else, we can kickstarter some kind of ultra low budget Dredd thing maybe. Always possibilities.
Whatever happens with the final numbers,at the end of the day isn't the last time we've seen Dredd on the big screen. It's going to be labelled as a classical cult like Blade Runner was and sooner than later someone may want to revisited this stuff. I would say that the only negative point it might have generated was toughen the game up to possible new 2000ad flicks (Slaine for instance,though I guess that dreadful Conan killed the genre for a decade anyway).
Fear not folks,we shall see that big chin again.
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
Personally I have no problem with going off topic. Normal conversations go off topic constantly. It's the nature of human discourse.
However, it's the internet, dude. Expecting fairness is expecting to find sanity in nuthouse. ;)
Quote from: StahlMench on 24 September, 2012, 08:45:18 PM(Slaine for instance,though I guess that dreadful Conan killed the genre for a decade anyway).
I know sword and sorcery and fantasy are different subgenres, but hey The Hobbit movies hit soon. Maybe some studio will want to greenlight a sword swinging Slaine epic.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 24 September, 2012, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: StahlMench on 24 September, 2012, 08:45:18 PM(Slaine for instance,though I guess that dreadful Conan killed the genre for a decade anyway).
I know sword and sorcery and fantasy are different subgenres, but hey The Hobbit movies hit soon. Maybe some studio will want to greenlight a sword swinging Slaine epic.
I wonder how Slaine would react to hobbits? Probably beat them soundly for being kinda dwarf-like.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 24 September, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
Personally I have no problem with going off topic. Normal conversations go off topic constantly. It's the nature of human discourse.
However, it's the internet, dude. Expecting fairness is expecting to find sanity in nuthouse. ;)
Lol yeah i know. Oh well i booked my Dredd ticket and it seems i have the theater all to myself here in Denmark. Awesome i can sit in my boxers then while smoking my Sherlock Holmes pipe. Bring on "Dommerman" !!!
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
The current chat on this thread is still in relation to Dredd and 2000AD characters as film adaptations whereas discussing Prometheus, which has a thread all to itself where people waffle endlessly about the same crap, was derailing it. Sorry but you were getting off the subject.
Yes- dont get me wrong, i want more dredd movies, if at all possible. Id just like them to be made by a creative team that get the source material and wont shy away from the more extreme elements of the strip. The elements that made the bloody thing a success in the first place- instead of removing all that and making something else entirely.
And as for the thumbs up from john wagner- im really pleased he liked it. Im really pleased anyone liked it! I want it to make shitloads of cash and open the door to 2000AD's owners and creators having a mega revenue-stream. But those of us who like stephen king's novels are used to him applauding often terrible adaptations of his work- most notably he loved the mick garris version of the shining and hated the kubrick one. The reasons for that are many and we all know them, but the author's okay is just the author's okay. Memorably clive barker sat me down and told me hellraiser 2 was the best thing he'd ever lent his name to, and was a movie i'd love. Lying twat.
SBT
Michael Fassbender is planning to star a CuChullain film.The guy is becoming very popular rapidly so wouldn't be surprise to see this project resuscitating the genre the way Gladiator did with the epics. Hope it comes to see the day-light soon. Once succeeding ,that would be where our chances to see a Slaine movie relies on.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
The current chat on this thread is still in relation to Dredd and 2000AD characters as film adaptations whereas discussing Prometheus, which has a thread all to itself where people waffle endlessly about the same crap, was derailing it. Sorry but you were getting off the subject.
Ah ok , had no idea you where an admin, thought the thread was about Box Office but it's gone in really weird tangents, no matter, whoever said unfairness is part of the internet i tip my hat to you
SBT, sometimes we're just swimming against the tide no matter what. Happens to all of us. I for one couldn't bring myself to rate The Dark Knight Rises higher than a 5.5 out of 10, and that's being generous. Whereas according to 90% of everyone else it was either the second best movie ever after The Dark Knight or the best movie ever, even better than The Dark Knight. Personally I thought it had a plot like a swiss cheese and characters whose motivations made about as much sense as a battering ram made of swiss cheese. But hey. That's life.
Disclaimer: This post should in no way be taken as encouraging people to discuss The Dark Knight Rises any further in this thread. It was merely intended as an example of how most people can like something whilst some think they're a pile of stinky old rubbish. ;)
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 08:58:21 PM
But those of us who like stephen king's novels are used to him applauding often terrible adaptations of his work- most notably he loved the mick garris version of the shining and hated the kubrick one. The reasons for that are many and we all know them, but the author's okay is just the author's okay. Memorably clive barker sat me down and told me hellraiser 2 was the best thing he'd ever lent his name to, and was a movie i'd love. Lying twat.
SBT
I thought the Mick Garris version was closer to the original version. The Kubrick version was good but very different to the book.
I enjoyed Dredd, thought it was a real good effort that only suffered from lack of advertising and the General Publics desire for mind numbingly shit movies (Res Evil/twilight/etc).
Cheers :)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 24 September, 2012, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 24 September, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
So all we have to do is wait for Karl Urban to win the Oscar for Best Actor for his Dredd performance, and the film's quids in?
Shhh. These straws won't clutch themselves, you know...
Cheers
Jim
Good point Jim.
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
Ah ok , had no idea you where an admin, thought the thread was about Box Office but it's gone in really weird tangents, no matter, whoever said unfairness is part of the internet i tip my hat to you
Heh, trust me I'm nowhere near qualified to be any
admin-bot but Prometheus well...you've seen the IMDB boards to know where that leads.
Yep, im afraid i didnt, and wont, see DKR. Was burned by boring boring batman begins and dark knight. (and since im all namedroppy tonight, that made a long plane journey next to the guy who played scarecrow uncomfortable i can tell you). I like my batman all spikey, drawn by kelley jones, and teamed up with the phantom stranger and deadman against killer croc and swamp thing- i was never going to respond to the adolescent iporn of inhuman technowanker nolan.
It's monday night, uk time- do we have a total for the us yet and a daily breakdown? I have a feeling that dredd will grow during the week (or at least, not fall as hard as the others released friday) and we might see some positive headlines by next weekend. Headlines in proper places- not insignificant blogs and internet sites. I mean trade papers and the like.
SBT
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
The current chat on this thread is still in relation to Dredd and 2000AD characters as film adaptations whereas discussing Prometheus, which has a thread all to itself where people waffle endlessly about the same crap, was derailing it. Sorry but you were getting off the subject.
Ah ok , had no idea you where an admin, thought the thread was about Box Office but it's gone in really weird tangents, no matter, whoever said unfairness is part of the internet i tip my hat to you
He ain't an admin. But it's a fine line on here with on topic and off. Conversations will drift, just like in real life. But in this case, I think it was fair to direct you guys to the Prometheus thread. Drifting into other 2k properties... not so far off the main subject. but PLEASE do not take this as a crit of your posts. All is cool.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
I went off topic earlier and got chastised for it straight away, can some people go off topic and others not ?
The current chat on this thread is still in relation to Dredd and 2000AD characters as film adaptations whereas discussing Prometheus, which has a thread all to itself where people waffle endlessly about the same crap, was derailing it. Sorry but you were getting off the subject.
We were comparing it with Dredd, but sorry to pop your monocle.
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 09:25:31 PM
We were comparing it with Dredd, but sorry to pop your monocle.
Nah, you were drifting off into whether Noomi Rapace was drugged up or not.
Quote from: jamesedwards on 24 September, 2012, 03:52:00 PM
She was on a fuckload of space drugs. Have you ever had morphine? You wouldn't feel it.
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 03:53:39 PM
Thats not true, she appeared to be in great pain doubling over all the time if i remember. Anyway those puny staples would have a problem holding with that kind of activity.
Anywaym carry on.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
It's monday night, uk time- do we have a total for the us yet and a daily breakdown? I have a feeling that dredd will grow during the week (or at least, not fall as hard as the others released friday) and we might see some positive headlines by next weekend. Headlines in proper places- not insignificant blogs and internet sites. I mean trade papers and the like.
As of yesterday, Dredd was standing at $14,600,00 (worldwide)
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rentrak-announces-worldwide-box-office-results-for-weekend-of-september-23-2012-170898431.html?ispopup=y
That's in 9 territories (Resident Evil is playing in 74 at the moment and has grossed around $140 mill).
Well I know at least 2 people in USA that couldn't see it this weekend who will be going. Hope that helps.
But seriously (though I do know those 2 people are going later) this is still the first weekend, not first week, or first month. It has time.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
That's in 9 territories (Resident Evil is playing in 74 at the moment and has grossed around $140 mill).
Resident Evil is bound to make more, it is built on cinema-goers more than the game now.
Cheers, joe. What's specifically the daily us breakdown? Since that's the one everybody's cacking it over...
I ask this because i dont rely get a chance to go to the rest of the web- here, facebook and ebay. That's my life. And all my phone will handle.
SBT
Nice to see aintitcoolnews flying the flag:
"I know we don't sit around over here at Ain't It Cool dwelling on the box office numbers that roll in at the end of every weekend. Sure, movies are a business, and it's good to know what's making money and what isn't, but quality doesn't always translate to dollars. It's a sad fact that I'm often reminded of in times such as this past weekend when DREDD 3D didn't even come close to getting the respect or exposure it deserved.
This is a seriously bad-ass flick, especially for those of you who claim to be fans of comic book movies and/or action films. This is right up your alley, and the fact that a lot of you didn't go out of your way over the weekend to lend a good film such as this your support is a bit sad.
I hope a lot of you correct this for yourselves soon, but, in South Florida, I am taking matters into my own hands by sending a bunch of you off to check out DREDD 3D."
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/58560
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
Cheers, joe. What's specifically the daily us breakdown?
Do you mean the breakdown of each day last weekend?
Quote from: Bat King on 24 September, 2012, 09:43:18 PM
Well I know at least 2 people in USA that couldn't see it this weekend who will be going. Hope that helps.
But seriously (though I do know those 2 people are going later) this is still the first weekend, not first week, or first month. It has time.
Well that's the problem in the end. Dredd will have to pick up some impressive box office quickly to prevent being yanked from theaters. They're pretty merciless over here when something isn't performing.
Never seen AICN do that before, very cool, still hate Harry Knowles though, he is a total sell out, usually avoid that site like the plague, first time i clicked on it in years.
Quote from: painbros22 on 24 September, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
Never seen AICN do that before, very cool, still hate Harry Knowles though, he is a total sell out, usually avoid that site like the plague, first time i clicked on it in years.
Ha! Exactly my feelings.
Direct quote from ICv2 :
"There is no way to sugarcoat the implications of Dredd 3D's debut, which tallied just $6.3 million from 2,506 theaters for a meager average of $2,514 per venue. Sly Stallone's much maligned 1995 Judge Dredd earned only $35.7 million during its entire run, a total that Dredd 3D will be hard pressed to match in spite of much higher 3D-aided ticket prices. In spite of solid critical notices (77% positive on Rotten Tomatoes) and a so-so "B" CinemaScore, the new Dredd film has so far done nothing to dispel the notion that Judge Dredd will always be "cult" property in the U.S. with a devoted but limited group of fans who "get" the property's delicious black humor. Perhaps it's too much to expect a country that has elevated Dirty Harry to the status of an iconic hero to show much enthusiasm for a property that is basically a hilarious "reductio ad absurdum" satire of the antics of eponymous hero of Don Siegel's 1971 film. It would be hard to fault Lionsgate, which did run a pretty aggressive TV marketing campaign for the film, including ads on sports cable networks aimed at broadening the audience. If Dredd 3D can show some legs over the next few weeks, perhaps it can reverse the perception that the property has earned, but it is hard to see the film's opening as anything but a disappointment that will provide more ammunition for those who contend that Comic-Con exposure (where Dredd was screened to adoring fans) is overrated."
Yeah, friday-saturday-sunday numbers for the us. Is there anywhere that info is displayed? And i can tell youre not from round here- "last weekend" would be the one beginning 14th sept. Friday 21st starts "this weekend just gone", the one coming up is "next weekend" until midweek, when it becomes "this weekend". The 21st only becomes "last weekend" from 12pm gmt wednesday. That's this wednesday not next wednesday, obviously. Then it'd be "ages ago".
SBT
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
As of yesterday, Dredd was standing at $14,600,00 (worldwide)
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/rentrak-announces-worldwide-box-office-results-for-weekend-of-september-23-2012-170898431.html?ispopup=y
That seems pretty good.
Quote from: blackmocco on 24 September, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: Bat King on 24 September, 2012, 09:43:18 PM
Well I know at least 2 people in USA that couldn't see it this weekend who will be going. Hope that helps.
But seriously (though I do know those 2 people are going later) this is still the first weekend, not first week, or first month. It has time.
Well that's the problem in the end. Dredd will have to pick up some impressive box office quickly to prevent being yanked from theaters. They're pretty merciless over here when something isn't performing.
I guess so, they cancel TV shows over there far too promptly too...
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 24 September, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Yeah, friday-saturday-sunday numbers for the us. Is there anywhere that info is displayed? And i can tell youre not from round here- "last weekend" would be the one beginning 14th sept. Friday 21st starts "this weekend just gone", the one coming up is "next weekend" until midweek, when it becomes "this weekend". The 21st only becomes "last weekend" from 12pm gmt wednesday. That's this wednesday not next wednesday, obviously. Then it'd be "ages ago".
I blame the unions.
Date
Daily Gross
Sep 23, 2012
$1,640,470
Sep 22, 2012
$2,418,078
Sep 21, 2012
$2,219,943
Thanks, and yikes. I expected a bigger hike saturday night. I thought americans liked shooty muthafucka films! Maybe they shouldve cast some rappers as the bad guys.
SBT
Fair play to AICN, I see that Harry Knowles is urging his twitter followers to go see Dredd as well.
I wonder how much LGF paid for Harry's new hot spa, everyone else got a Hunger Games DVD ( DVD not Blu Ray ) and assorted PG13 "horror" movies, seeing now where that 27 million marketing budget went.
Harry gave a pretty cool review of the movie too, so it's a cause he's happy to help as well I'd imagine. Plus he was raised on the progs too.
Quote from: blackmocco on 24 September, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Nice to see aintitcoolnews flying the flag:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/58560
Reading some of the comments on the Aint It Cool Board is highly depressing. The reason this generation of film goers can take a cynical excuse of a non film such as House on The End of The Street over Dredd just speaks volumes. There's a reason Franchises with no teeth,which in my opinion are 100 times more irresponsible in their depiction of violence, such as Hunger Games and Twilight are so popular. It's because much of the younger audience are not capable of recognising the nuances under the surface of a property such as Dredd.
Over the last decade I think since the success of Titanic big film studios have wrongly only marketed heavily to that tween - teen - 'young adult' audience chasing the big Billions and in the process have alienated a lot of the rest of us. The result is for the most part other demographics are less likely to be regular cinema goers and are more inclined to buy dvd's or stream over the internet. Tastes of the actual casual cinema going audience aren't exactly the same as they might have been before.
This could just be me whining over people not getting the thing that I'm into, but I do think it is a genuine problem in cinema today. I think Dredd 3D has sparked an interest in the comic and I think the film may be a slow burner which in a few years time, much like The Thing or Bladerunner, will have a huge army of fans who will not believe or even care about how much the film grossed at the box office.
Quote from: critter on 24 September, 2012, 10:10:58 PM
Direct quote from ICv2 :
"There is no way to sugarcoat the implications of Dredd 3D's debut, which tallied just $6.3 million from 2,506 theaters for a meager average of $2,514 per venue. Sly Stallone's much maligned 1995 Judge Dredd earned only $35.7 million during its entire run, a total that Dredd 3D will be hard pressed to match in spite of much higher 3D-aided ticket prices. In spite of solid critical notices (77% positive on Rotten Tomatoes) and a so-so "B" CinemaScore, the new Dredd film has so far done nothing to dispel the notion that Judge Dredd will always be "cult" property in the U.S. with a devoted but limited group of fans who "get" the property's delicious black humor. Perhaps it's too much to expect a country that has elevated Dirty Harry to the status of an iconic hero to show much enthusiasm for a property that is basically a hilarious "reductio ad absurdum" satire of the antics of eponymous hero of Don Siegel's 1971 film. It would be hard to fault Lionsgate, which did run a pretty aggressive TV marketing campaign for the film, including ads on sports cable networks aimed at broadening the audience. If Dredd 3D can show some legs over the next few weeks, perhaps it can reverse the perception that the property has earned, but it is hard to see the film's opening as anything but a disappointment that will provide more ammunition for those who contend that Comic-Con exposure (where Dredd was screened to adoring fans) is overrated."
That seems pretty supportive of Lionsgate's promotion.
God, will someone high up in 2000ad please hit the IMDB board and say something to shut Scojo up, even if you never post there make it your one and only post, the guy is even ignore proof cause he just makes another ID, his current ID has Sci_Fi_IS_For_nerds. never seen a more demeted person in my life who claims to be a 2000ad fan, beyond demented, creepy Ted Bundy delusions. Been on the net since Time Berners Lee turned it on, still Scojo is by far the worst out there.
And if anyone can dig up his failed scripts please PM them to me, i ran out of Douglas Adams to read and need a damn good laugh.
:rant over: Back on topic.
That would be called bullying.
Yeah kinda know that, just having a wee rant, i know he shouldn't but he just winds me up so much, trolls normally don't do that with me, but this guy oh god, still would like to see his scripts though at some point, i really into profiling nutcases, little hobby of mine. anyway bed time.
Dredd has gone up to number 6 on IMDb's movie meter, a good sign perhaps? Up 11 since it's opening in the US. Think it was down at 36 or something for UK release.
Wow NR 6, that is an awesome sign, Prometheus is Nr 1, great news.
Without wanting to come across as a Monday morning quarter-back, would it have been a better decision to have released Dredd in February this year as was originally planned? There was considerably less competition that month, plus the big CBM titles had yet to be released, and (this is just my own personal opinion here) had they NOT made the movie in 3-D, which is little more than a gimmick and an excuse for higher ticket prices;
1) the budget would have been an even $40m, giving them more leeway in breaking even and even turning a profit in short order,
2) without the post-production rendering process for a 3-D release like Dredd, they could absolutely have finished the film in time to make that February release,
3) and audiences who were clearly reluctant to stump up four or five bucks more for a 3-D film that wasn't a big and familiar tentpole release just might have been convinced to have went for Dredd had it been a normal wide 2-D release with cheaper standard ticket prices.
Dredd is clearly one of the strongest CBM adaptations of recent years, and I'm convinced it will endure as a cult classic on DVD/Blu-Ray/telly repeats, but I really feel for those involved in it's making that their efforts should have been better rewarded, and wonder if some of the above mentioned details had been different, would it have changed the ultimate outcome? It has yet to finish it's theatrical run, and will undoubtedly do strong and steady business on home release formats - even the 1995 debacle did well on that front - but enough to justify a sequel (?), probably not in all likelihood, and that's a pity, a still-modest $50m budget (minus the stereoscopic imaging) would have been enough for that pro-democracy terrorists/Cursed Earth idea that Alex Garland had mentioned, and although it might still happen in a few years (ya never know!), I believe it's more unlikely than likely at this point, alas...
Sorry for the long post, wanted to make sure I said everything I wanted to say here, but short of any major new developments in the short-term future, I believe this little odyssey is drawing to a close, it's been some 22 months getting to this point, and although I would have wished for a better outcome - commercial not creative, the film rocks, ROCKS I tells ya - I'd like to thank Alex Garland and all at DNA Films for actually making the herculean effort in getting a new Judge Dredd film made, much less one so darn good, your efforts are, have been, and will be appreciated, and although I still live in (slim) hope you'll get another bite at Mega-City One onscreen sometime, nonetheless the version you did successfully bring to the big screen was everything I hoped it would be... and then some! Thanks again, cheers everyone here, I really am done now, anything else before I go (?)...
... court's adjourned.
The film wasn't finished in February and marketing hadn't even started.
The 3D pitch was one of the main selling-points that got the film funded. No 3D, no film.
As far as I can tell, there were only two images used in the promotion of the movie. The silouette and the one of Dredd standing on the building. That's just lazy on LG part...
I've seen at least two other official posters!
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 24 September, 2012, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: StahlMench on 24 September, 2012, 08:45:18 PM(Slaine for instance,though I guess that dreadful Conan killed the genre for a decade anyway).
I know sword and sorcery and fantasy are different subgenres, but hey The Hobbit movies hit soon. Maybe some studio will want to greenlight a sword swinging Slaine epic.
Michael Fassbender is meant to be making a movie about Cuchulain already
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 24 September, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
Reading some of the comments on the Aint It Cool Board is highly depressing.
This a phrase that can be employed on any given day.
Amongst the somewhat glumness of it all I've found some delight in plugging this film on an NHL Ice Hockey forum I frequent. Some people from Canada and the US have really been digging it and will do their best to spread the news of it being awesome via word of mouth. Even turned someone onto the Case Files so it ain't all that bad.
Quote from: karl on 25 September, 2012, 05:35:40 AM
As far as I can tell, there were only two images used in the promotion of the movie. The silouette and the one of Dredd standing on the building. That's just lazy on LG part...
So you're saying that ther film did not do well becasue there wasn't a bigger variety of poster designs?
I suspect the truth of the matter may be slightly more complex than that...
Leaving aside the motion poster, the graffiti poster, the burning cityscape poster...
ok Im stoked for this movie and Dredd (he he) to ask this but it happens sometimes, does anyone know if this is still going to get an OZ release? its due out 28/10 but as happens with some movies that open in America so long before OZ and dont do too well quite often get pulled from OZ release, i'd hate for this to happen as it'd be a tragedy, Dredd and 2000AD have always had a strong presence in Australia, the Prog has always been available from newsagents not just specialist shops and I suspect this movie would definatly do the numbers in Australia (not huge in comparison to the US but still enough to add an extra $10-15million to the bottom line). Still no confirmation from my cinema that they're gonna get it but hell as long as it got a release i could see me traveling 700kms to Perth to see it. I'm gonna be pretty upset if I have to wait for Blueray and really want to osee this in 3D.
CU radbacker
I dont no what it is with folk in the states from what im hearing the movie was promoted pretty well over there they were aware of it they just dont want to give it a chance and thats sad just like with the sex pistols or oasis whether you guys like those bands or you dont i for one do they were pretty fuckin popular almost everywere but the states and it just makes you sit back and think why this is im not saying every ones gotta like dredd or those bands but it seems pretty apparent when the brits come a shouting something them lot in the states love to do they dont like it and therefore turn their nose up at, it they no about dredd in the states and they hear all the great things being said about this british/south african produced FILM they wont give it the time of day in my opinion because A.it isnt american made and B.its been making a little noise outside of the states a noise they started with the great reviews at comic con and i think they didnt like the fact it opened in the uk first, the sex pistols go over there the yanks dont want to no but the ramones do just fine hmmm i wonder why, oasis were suppose to do big things over there back in the mid nighties and they got booed out the fucking country and i no it aint over for dredd yet but it aint looking good it seems anything with a bit of attitude non american made be it music or film and they shit on it knowing its good and then they do what they always do admit it later they like it when its to late now i aint saying us brits are perfect i for one am not but what you see is what you get with us we like something or we dont regardless of were a band or a film is coming from :thumbsup: ps if you live in the states get your ass down the cinema and see dredd haha
Sounds like Dredd's to some extent hit the chain restaurant problem. On visiting an unfamiliar town, many people will plump for what they know rather than chance something they don't, even if they've heard good things about the latter. Guaranteed mediocrity is a safer (if ultimately potentially less satisfying) bet than possible excellence. With a series like Resident Evil, you know what you're going to get, even if you know it probably won't be great. With Dredd, you don't know if you're going to like it and there's a chance you won't; ergo, it isn't the safe bet.
What's really interesting is the word of mouth and many people/sites clamouring to get others to watch the movie. It would be wonderful to see it bounce at least a bit off of the back of this in the USA. (I think the UK, Dredd's probably peaked, and really for the type of movie it is, the takings don't seem too bad at all.) That said, quality isn't always enough—remember how short Moon's stay in the cinema was, and that was one of the finest sci-fi films in a very long time.
Quote from: hazy efc on 25 September, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
I dont no what it is with folk in the states from what im hearing the movie was promoted pretty well over there they were aware of it they just dont want to give it a chance and thats sad just like with the sex pistols or oasis whether you guys like those bands or you dont i for one do they were pretty fuckin popular almost everywere but the states and it just makes you sit back and think why this is im not saying every ones gotta like dredd or those bands but it seems pretty apparent when the brits come a shouting something them lot in the states love to do they dont like it and therefore turn their nose up at, it they no about dredd in the states and they hear all the great things being said about this british/south african produced FILM they wont give it the time of day in my opinion because A.it isnt american made and B.its been making a little noise outside of the states a noise they started with the great reviews at comic con and i think they didnt like the fact it opened in the uk first, the sex pistols go over there the yanks dont want to no but the ramones do just fine hmmm i wonder why, oasis were suppose to do big things over there back in the mid nighties and they got booed out the fucking country and i no it aint over for dredd yet but it aint looking good it seems anything with a bit of attitude non american made be it music or film and they shit on it knowing its good and then they do what they always do admit it later they like it when its to late now i aint saying us brits are perfect i for one am not but what you see is what you get with us we like something or we dont regardless of were a band or a film is coming from :thumbsup: ps if you live in the states get your ass down the cinema and see dredd haha
...and breathe.
Icon (http://iconmovies.com.au/), the Australian distributor are still promoting DREDD on their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/IconFilmDistribution.Au) as of three hours ago, so it's getting a theatrical release. How wide that will be is anyone's guess.
No offence Hazy, but when I see a single sentence that length my eyes break.
James Joyce has a lot to answer for.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 25 September, 2012, 11:50:02 AM
No offence Hazy, but when I see a single sentence that length my eyes break.
I'm afraid my ignore list now regularly includes people who won't punctuate, spell or use paragraphs properly. If you can't be arsed to take an extra two minutes to formulate your posts in a coherent fashion, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to decipher them.
Plus, I'm supposed to be watching my blood pressure.
Cheers
Jim
Agreed. I'm no grammar or spelling nazi, but most people will automatically skip over a big block of text like that (myself included).
Just hit the return key once in a while.
dude, buy yourself some punctuation.
You haterz have no poetry in yore soles.
Quote from: hazy efc on 25 September, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
I dont no what it is
with folk in the states
from what im
hearing
the movie was promoted pretty well
over there
they were aware of it
they just dont want to give it a chance
and thats sad
just like with the sex pistols or oasis
whether you guys like those bands or you dont
i for one do
they were pretty fuckin popular almost everywere but the states
and
it just makes you sit back and think
why this is
im not saying every ones gotta like dredd
or those bands
but it seems pretty apparent
when the brits come a shouting
something them lot in the states love to do
they dont like it
and therefore
turn their nose up at it
they no about dredd in the states
and they hear all the great things being said
about this british/south african produced FILM
they wont give it the time of day
in my opinion
because
A.it isnt american made
and
B.its been making a little noise outside of the states
a noise they started with the great reviews
at comic con
and i think
they didnt like the fact it opened in the uk first
the sex pistols go over there
the yanks dont want to
no
but the ramones do just fine
hmmm
i wonder why
oasis were suppose to do big things over there back in the mid nighties
and they got booed out the fucking country
and i no
it aint over for dredd yet
but it aint looking good
it seems
anything with a bit of attitude
non american made
be it music or film
and they shit on it
knowing its good
and then they do what they always do
admit it later
they like it when its to late
now i aint saying us brits are perfect
i for one am not
but what you see is what you get with us
we like something
or we dont
regardless of were a band or a film is coming from
ps if you live in the states get your ass down the cinema and see dredd haha
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 September, 2012, 11:35:44 AM
Sounds like Dredd's to some extent hit the chain restaurant problem.
Possibly - but Dredd's been trying to crack the States for nigh on forty years and yet again has proved not to be to American tastes (comic book fans aside). If you think about it, though, that's hardly surprising, as Dredd's a punky British satire on America's ugliest traits - the ones that mainstream America really doesn't recognise in itself. Even in the wonderfully stripped-down Garland version, it's basically a giant "Fuck You USA, you self-parodic violent hellhole."
Quote from: Dudley on 25 September, 2012, 12:38:59 PM
Dredd's a punky British satire on America's ugliest traits - the ones that mainstream America really doesn't recognise in itself. Even in the wonderfully stripped-down Garland version, it's basically a giant "Fuck You USA, you self-parodic violent hellhole."
Maybe that's the problem.
DREDD depicts America as a failed State where an oppressive government imposes it's will on all it's citizens. Not much pioneer spirit in Mega City 1 no band of self reliant, armed and willing citizenry riding to the rescue. Also I think as others have pointed out it's a case of bad timing to boot.
DREDD comes to US Cinemas during the worst economic downturn since WW2.
Judge Dredd is pretty unfamiliar to most Americans so do you really want to go to the Cinema to spend your hard earned dollars on something your not really sure about? The empty Theatres tell the tale there.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 25 September, 2012, 01:07:05 PMDREDD depicts America as a failed State where an oppressive government imposes it's will on all it's citizens.
...ummmmm
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 September, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
Still no confirmation from my cinema that they're gonna get it but hell as long as it got a release i could see me traveling 700kms to Perth to see it.
CU radbacker
I am in awe of this commitment. I salute you Sir!
Mind you having said that, I've travelled that far to go and see bands.
:sadface: I live in Denmark, Dredd opens on thursday, but Denmark has a nasty habit of pulling movies that flopped in the USA, and right on cue 80% of showings got pulled, now i have to see it in a crappy vomit laden theater where they show movies like Antichrist. Sucks to live here, high taxes, rampant xenophobia, more pigs than people and now Dredd on a shitty screen. Oh well, bring on the Dommerman !
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 25 September, 2012, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 25 September, 2012, 11:50:02 AM
No offence Hazy, but when I see a single sentence that length my eyes break.
I'm afraid my ignore list now regularly includes people who won't punctuate, spell or use paragraphs properly. If you can't be arsed to take an extra two minutes to formulate your posts in a coherent fashion, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to decipher them.
Plus, I'm supposed to be watching my blood pressure.
Cheers
Jim
Sorry sir lol :thumbsup:
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 25 September, 2012, 11:50:02 AM
No offence Hazy, but when I see a single sentence that length my eyes break.
Well if they have ill buy you a new pair :D
Quote from: Dudley on 25 September, 2012, 12:38:59 PMPossibly - but Dredd's been trying to crack the States for nigh on forty years and yet again has proved not to be to American tastes (comic book fans aside). If you think about it, though, that's hardly surprising, as Dredd's a punky British satire on America's ugliest traits - the ones that mainstream America really doesn't recognise in itself. Even in the wonderfully stripped-down Garland version, it's basically a giant "Fuck You USA, you self-parodic violent hellhole."
Now, there are a few ways to break down that analysis, which I disagree with by the way. For one, studying say film for example, you'd know with Vietnam and movies and culture in the 70s, it's actually quite popular to criticize the government or the police. There are plenty of successful movies that paint authority in a negative light, yes even in America. In fact, especially in America.
And of course, if you think Dredd's message only applies to America, I think you're missing the big picture.
Plus as I've mentioned before, we got poorly colored reprints of random Dredd arcs and issues in the 80s, and a poor DC series, but saying they're tried very hard to get America in on Dredd for decades is a bit of an overstatement.
Dredd works the best in it's native serialized format, which we never got over here. Unless you paid a bit extra and got it imported at comic shops, or paid massive shipping charges for a subscription etc. And of course now that the Case Files that collect everything in order are being released here, theyr'e doing great. As was mentioned recently, Vol 1 sold out. Just sayin'.
Quote from: painbros22 on 25 September, 2012, 02:08:45 PM:sadface: I live in Denmark, Dredd opens on thursday, but Denmark has a nasty habit of pulling movies that flopped in the USA, and right on cue 80% of showings got pulled
How odd. I'd have thought for English-language movies Scandinavian countries would pay more attention to the UK response than the American one, given that Northern Europeans have more in common than Scandinavians and Americans. (BBC4's practically Scandinavian TV a good chunk of the time—it's shown Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Icelandic shows over the past year.)
Quote from: hazy efc on 25 September, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
A.it isnt american made and B.its been making a little noise outside of the states a noise they started with the great reviews at comic con and i think they didnt like the fact it opened in the uk first
I don't think the majority of the uninitiated even know this film is foreign, Karl Urban and Lena Hedley are well liked in Hollywood for example. I also don't think they'd know it opened in the UK first.
And of course, if they've heard it had great reviews at comic con, or even care about comic con, they probably are already initiated.
Poor Dredd running against Jake Gyllenhaal in End of Watch. Pretty boy, only grossed about $666,233,283 in his lifetime says t'internets. Hopefully you're all getting yer knickers in a twist and Dredds profile will pick up as the weeks go... but either way everyone better buy the books!! x
How many weeks can we expect Dredd to be screened in the US? Or in other words, how many days left for it to earn the money it needs to get to sequel status? I assume it would be shown simultaneously across the states?
$2,068,482 opening weekend Russia (850 theatres)
Quote from: Dash Decent on 25 September, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
How many weeks can we expect Dredd to be screened in the US? Or in other words, how many days left for it to earn the money it needs to get to sequel status? I assume it would be shown simultaneously across the states?
Yeah it's in theaters all across the country, though there are some "second run" smaller theaters that might run it a bit later. I'd say it'll probably be in most theaters for about three weeks. Though they'll probably be fewer total showings of it, for example maybe say 3 showings a day instead of 6 a day at some screens.
Anyways, I'm going to see it again today to show somebody else, so I'm doing my part. :thumbsup:
So the russians dig it then!
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 September, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
So the russians dig it then!
Almost exactly 1/3rd of the screens as in the US, and almost exactly 1/3rd of the money. So, it's pretty much the same reception. Yes, this math post was probably my nerdiest. :P
Ah, my bad, I thought it was the same as US but with less theatres, but then remembered that was just Friday's takings.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 September, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
So the russians dig it then!
Almost exactly 1/3rd of the screens as in the US, and almost exactly 1/3rd of the money. So, it's pretty much the same reception. Yes, this math post was probably my nerdiest. :P
That doesn't add up as they have less then half the population. That proportionally makes it 50% better. I think. :-*
Quote from: judge devs on 25 September, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 September, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
So the russians dig it then!
Almost exactly 1/3rd of the screens as in the US, and almost exactly 1/3rd of the money. So, it's pretty much the same reception. Yes, this math post was probably my nerdiest. :P
That doesn't add up as they have less then half the population. That proportionally makes it 50% better. I think. :-*
If they have 1/2 the population its 100% better. I think. :-*
It's at No. 2 (Resident Evil: Retribution is No.1)
http://kinometro.ru/box/show/region/ru/lang/en
Quote from: judge devs on 25 September, 2012, 04:05:23 PMThat doesn't add up as they have less then half the population. That proportionally makes it 50% better. I think. :-*
Now that's getting complex. :D I assume the 850 theaters expect to do good business, despite the overall popular of their country.
You only thing learned from this is Paul Anderson should have directed Dredd with Milla as Anderson in really tight leather and a lawgiver stuck down her knickers, box office gold right there.
That is cool that Dredd is #2 over there. As for Paul WS Anderson, ha man we can't even joke about that.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 04:07:54 PM
It's at No. 2 (Resident Evil: Retribution is No.1)
http://kinometro.ru/box/show/region/ru/lang/en
I hate resident evil haha
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
$2,068,482 opening weekend Russia (850 theatres)
Pretty good.Piracy is rife there too, so I'm pleased it hasn't leaked online yet.
The Russians love it....but they best not mention The(Apocalypse)War ;)!
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 25 September, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
Pretty good.Piracy is rife there too, so I'm pleased it hasn't leaked online yet.
Only if they have 2D prints.
Heard from some shady underground release type people on IRC that there is no cam etc for Dredd because they are supporting the movie and holding back the release. Pirates do have souls then, thanks underground people.
I wonder if that is due to it being an independent release!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 25 September, 2012, 04:59:51 PM
Pretty good.Piracy is rife there too, so I'm pleased it hasn't leaked online yet.
Only if they have 2D prints.
There is a filter they use so 3D movies become 2D, similar to the reverse 3D glasses. Approx 1.30 mins after Resi was released a cam hit the web, sometimes the pirates do this as a statement against Hollywood "release shit and we will cam it straight away". Its no secret that many of these release groups are populated by members of Anon.
"C'mon Hollywood: What does the failure of Dredd tell us?"
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/cmon-hollywood-why-did-dredd-fail
Interesting article. In it they say it was primed to be a hit Rated-R action movie, and you see it called an action movie a lot. To me, it doesn't really watch like an action movie. It's more in the genre that Dirty Harry is to me, a crime thriller.
It's tense, in that we want to see the Judges survive these encounters, but it's not really played in an action movie way until very late in the film. I'm not sure how to put it, but the kind of retro violent cop movie it was, rather than an "action movie", doesn't really play by action genre rules of what satisfies the audience.
But then again, I do see others calling it an action packed movie. Maybe how you view the tone and what makes it "action" or "un-idealized violence" is up to the individual. It seems to play more on tension than having say complex action pieces or choreography.
Anyways, I love the movie and am about to go see it again now, but I can at least say I can guess why the usual action movie audience might not all find what they're looking for. Plus without a typically likeable or wise-cracking protagonist. The movie sets higher standards for itself which in a way makes it less easy for it to please the masses.
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 September, 2012, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 25 September, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 September, 2012, 03:42:14 PM
So the russians dig it then!
Almost exactly 1/3rd of the screens as in the US, and almost exactly 1/3rd of the money. So, it's pretty much the same reception. Yes, this math post was probably my nerdiest. :P
Before we give each other a headache lets just stick to 'the Russians dig it'. :)
But now I think about it 100% better as a proportion of the population is right.
That doesn't add up as they have less then half the population. That proportionally makes it 50% better. I think. :-*
If they have 1/2 the population its 100% better. I think. :-*
It seemed to have far more action than Dredd '95, which has remarkably few action scenes when you examine it - and I understand why it's being marketed as a straight action movie. I would personally put it in the same genre as Robocop etc etc - that sweet spot of sci-fi, action and satire.
I think what really carries the film is the pacing - which to me perhaps made it feel more action-packed than it actually is. It's got a great sense of pace to it and the film is carried along by a series of beats which starts with the very first shot of the film - some of them are action beats, but others are great exchanges of dialogue, bugout violence or fx or whatever. It's why it's so fun to watch with people who haven't seen it before and actually seems shorter and more perfectly formed each time you watch it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
That's in 9 territories (Resident Evil is playing in 74 at the moment and has grossed around $140 mill).
I assume that those 9 are UK, RoI, US, Canada, Russia and Spain as I've heard people refer to screenings in all those but what are the other 3? I'm guessing France and Germany are two.
We're also hearing lots about people in the likes of Denmark, Holland, Aus, NZ and SA all waiting for it to come out have you got any idea what the global release schedule is?
I think there is too much focus in reviews on the fact that it is a 'faithful comic adaptation'. Yeah, that's good, but for people who aren't in to comics, or are sick of comic book movies, it might put them off. Dredd is such a great film I think it stands well on it's own even if you knew nothing about the character it was based on.
There's no super powers or anything, it is just a bad-ass action film.
I think the closest comparison I saw, can't remember where, is 'Robocop meets Die-Hard with better music'. Yeah, there is more to it then that, and you can argue that Robocop borrowed elements from Judge Dredd in the first place, but to people who don't know I think it is a pretty good description.
Also, I was thinking, do you think that film distributors would go for a sequel even if the first instalment didn't perform well, if a big name joined the crew? Like a big star as the villain, or big name Director?
Quote from: radiator on 25 September, 2012, 06:18:25 PM
It seemed to have far more action than Dredd '95, which has remarkably few action scenes when you examine it - and I understand why it's being marketed as a straight action movie. I would personally put it in the same genre as Robocop etc etc - that sweet spot of sci-fi, action and satire.
I think what really carries the film is the pacing - which to me perhaps made it feel more action-packed than it actually is. It's got a great sense of pace to it and the film is carried along by a series of beats which starts with the very first shot of the film - some of them are action beats, but others are great exchanges of dialogue, bugout violence or fx or whatever. It's why it's so fun to watch with people who haven't seen it before and actually seems shorter and more perfectly formed each time you watch it.
I can agree the most has a great pace with those beats, but just how I look at it more as a crime thriller, I don't really consider most of them "action beats". Take say, the scene with the gas. Or the scene where the guys in the room are on slo-mo.
It's fun from a plot sense to see how they overcome their enemies, but they don't overcome their enemies through an action scene, aka dodging gunfire back and forth, stylish flashy stuff, etc etc.
There is that later on, but yeah. I love that, it's interesting to see how they'll get out of each situation, and it's unique in that I don't think we've see a movie like that in quite a while. Reminds me a bit of John Carpenter movies.
It's a shame that IDW's Dredd comic didn't hit shops, say...a year before the film. Just to raise awareness amongst US comics buyers.
Quote from: judge devs on 25 September, 2012, 06:19:31 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
That's in 9 territories (Resident Evil is playing in 74 at the moment and has grossed around $140 mill).
I assume that those 9 are UK, RoI, US, Canada, Russia and Spain as I've heard people refer to screenings in all those but what are the other 3? I'm guessing France and Germany are two.
We're also hearing lots about people in the likes of Denmark, Holland, Aus, NZ and SA all waiting for it to come out have you got any idea what the global release schedule is?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/releaseinfo
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 September, 2012, 06:27:21 PM
Also, I was thinking, do you think that film distributors would go for a sequel even if the first instalment didn't perform well, if a big name joined the crew? Like a big star as the villain, or big name Director?
If no profit is made, then no, I don't think so.
It's been a long time since I posted...but for what it's worth. Here's what Mike Gallagher for the ComicGeekSpeak podcast had to say in response to the B.O. numbers. Mike worked in the theater industry for 18 years and was also manager of one of the huge movieplex places over here in the states.
"1 N End of Watch ORF $13,152,683 - 2,730 - $4,818 $13,152,683 $7 1
2 N House at the End of The Street Rela. $12,287,234 - 3,083 - $3,985 $12,287,234 $10 1
3 N Trouble with the Curve WB $12,162,040 - 3,212 - $3,786 $12,162,040 - 1
4 2 Finding Nemo (3D) BV $9,641,474 -42.2% 2,904 - $3,320 $30,175,449 - 2
5 1 Resident Evil: Retribution SGem $6,701,803 -68.2% 3,016 +4 $2,222 $33,469,530 $65 2
6 N Dredd LGF $6,278,491 - 2,506 - $2,505 $6,278,491 $50 1
I would not say that Dredd flopped, tanked, sunk.
It's a comic book movie of a character that either A. the average american has never heard of or B. the average American only knows from the stinkified Stallone film.
It is also a rated R film.
AND
this is September, the worst month of the year for films.
Trouble with the Curve opening at $12 mil is not a blockbuster. Far from it.
As kids are back in school and summer spending is over, any movie opening is going to struggle to get more than $3-$4 mil opening weekend.
Given all the factors running against Dredd (notice I didn't mention 3D) It is doing solid business.
Take that for what you will. It's not like I know this stuff.
Oh wait.........."
I pretty much agree, Flint. Dredd is finding its legs, however long they may turn out to be.
He does raise good points. I do disagree on one bit though, January is always referred to as the dumping ground for movies.
Where's that edit button. I'm sure he's right that September makes the least money, though January is probably close. Just for whatever reason January is the month where studios dump movies they don't think are good, maybe because it's right after Oscar noms are over.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 25 September, 2012, 07:08:00 PM
He does raise good points. I do disagree on one bit though, January is always referred to as the dumping ground for movies.
so is September but these can also be rather 'superstitious' beliefs.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 September, 2012, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 25 September, 2012, 06:19:31 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2012, 09:35:33 PM
That's in 9 territories (Resident Evil is playing in 74 at the moment and has grossed around $140 mill).
I assume that those 9 are UK, RoI, US, Canada, Russia and Spain as I've heard people refer to screenings in all those but what are the other 3? I'm guessing France and Germany are two.
We're also hearing lots about people in the likes of Denmark, Holland, Aus, NZ and SA all waiting for it to come out have you got any idea what the global release schedule is?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/releaseinfo
Ta Joe. Surprised Germany is so far down the list. I'll have to have a word with all my German mates and get them on the case.
It's suprising that Japan isn't on that list. I remember once I was surprised and disappointing that an Alien Vs Predator movie was stomping a Godzilla movie at the box office there. And hey, Judge Dredd fought those Aliens and Predators, maybe Japan would like Dredd too. This is my logic. :D
Opened in a good few countries last weekend. We are yet to see box office data for most of 'em.
Quote from: James on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
The biggest obstacles for Stront and Rogue are being set in Britain and being accused of ripping off other war/sci-fi movies respectively.
Rogue is set in Britain!? When did that happen? :o
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 September, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
ok Im stoked for this movie and Dredd (he he) to ask this but it happens sometimes, does anyone know if this is still going to get an OZ release? its due out 28/10 but as happens with some movies that open in America so long before OZ and dont do too well quite often get pulled from OZ release, i'd hate for this to happen as it'd be a tragedy, Dredd and 2000AD have always had a strong presence in Australia, the Prog has always been available from newsagents not just specialist shops and I suspect this movie would definatly do the numbers in Australia (not huge in comparison to the US but still enough to add an extra $10-15million to the bottom line). Still no confirmation from my cinema that they're gonna get it but hell as long as it got a release i could see me traveling 700kms to Perth to see it. I'm gonna be pretty upset if I have to wait for Blueray and really want to osee this in 3D.
Think you're being a bit generous with your numbers, alas. To date, it's taken £3,696,772 in the UK, the equivalent of about $6 million. (I'm assuming you were talking in US dollars, and not Australian. Apologies, if otherwise.) It's down to 9 in the UK charts this week, with takings of £382K, a figure that's now only going to continue to decline in further weeks.
Given that, I think it'll now unfortunately struggle to see $10 million in Britain, and certainly no chance of $15 million. If it can't do those numbers in the UK, a country of 60 million people where awareness of the character is higher than anywhere else, it's not going to do it in Australia, which has a third of the UK's population.
Monday, September 24, 2012
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TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day
1 1 End of Watch ORF $1,268,421 -63% - 2,730 $465 $14,421,104 4
2 3 Trouble with the Curve WB $854,376 -68% - 3,212 $266 $13,016,416 4
3 4 House at the End of The Street Rela. $611,964 -73% - 3,083 $198 $12,899,198
4 6 Dredd LGF
$567,929 -65% ,506 $227 $6,846,4202nd best hold on Monday in the US.
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 25 September, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: James on 24 September, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
The biggest obstacles for Stront and Rogue are being set in Britain and being accused of ripping off other war/sci-fi movies respectively.
Rogue is set in Britain!? When did that happen? :o
That was when Rogue when rogue -the lost years ,the really really lost years :D
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 25 September, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Monday, September 24, 2012
<<Prev Day <Wk <Mo <Yr
>Yr >Mo >Wk >>Next Day
TD YD Title (Click to View) Studio Daily Gross % +/- YD / LW Theaters / Avg Gross To-Date Day
1 1 End of Watch ORF $1,268,421 -63% - 2,730 $465 $14,421,104 4
2 3 Trouble with the Curve WB $854,376 -68% - 3,212 $266 $13,016,416 4
3 4 House at the End of The Street Rela. $611,964 -73% - 3,083 $198 $12,899,198
4 6 Dredd LGF $567,929 -65% ,506 $227 $6,846,420
2nd best hold on Monday in the US.
I detect a straw of hope there -and by Grud I'm clutching it with both hands. :P
That's the spirit!
Quote from: GordonR on 25 September, 2012, 09:34:42 PMIt's down to 9 in the UK charts this week, with takings of £382K, a figure that's now only going to continue to decline in further weeks.
I think it's mostly done here. Mrs G was looking at showings this weekend, having decided to brave 3D, despite it being likely to make her feel ill. The minor snag: even the massive Vues have all but cut the film from this coming weekend's refresh. Dredd is down to a single late showing per day. Elsewhere, Showcase is still running it, with up to four showings per day, but then Showcase tends to run films later and boast a wider selection anyway (despite having fewer screens than some of the local Vues). As for the local Odeon—the only other major chain in the area—Dredd finishes there entirely this Thursday.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 September, 2012, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: karl on 25 September, 2012, 05:35:40 AM
As far as I can tell, there were only two images used in the promotion of the movie. The silouette and the one of Dredd standing on the building. That's just lazy on LG part...
So you're saying that ther film did not do well becasue there wasn't a bigger variety of poster designs?
I suspect the truth of the matter may be slightly more complex than that...
Yes, in advertising you only stick to one image like that if your brand is already iconic or if it has some sort of intrigue to it. Dredd had neither of those aspects. LG just left it out to dry.
Quote from: karl on 26 September, 2012, 06:29:42 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 September, 2012, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: karl on 25 September, 2012, 05:35:40 AM
As far as I can tell, there were only two images used in the promotion of the movie. The silouette and the one of Dredd standing on the building. That's just lazy on LG part...
So you're saying that ther film did not do well becasue there wasn't a bigger variety of poster designs?
I suspect the truth of the matter may be slightly more complex than that...
Yes, in advertising you only stick to one image like that if your brand is already iconic or if it has some sort of intrigue to it. Dredd had neither of those aspects. LG just left it out to dry.
Oh, and I meant they only seemed to use the same two vague images of Dredd in ALL the promotional materials, not just the posters.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, and Math was never my strongest point, but according to Box office mojo:
Sept 2011 total gross box office : $606.9 mil
compared to
Sept 2012 total box office ( so far..but hey 4 days left ) : $147.4 mil
So with that amount of drop ( if Im reading it right) Im not surprised the expected return isn't being made.
Have I read it right ?
http://boxofficemojo.com/monthly/
Way behind on alot of the topic threads .... Especially this one. In summary can anyone say if our excellent Dredd movie has made enough in return to warrant sequels? (or is it still to early to say).
the outlook is not good on that front. Cinema takings are well down across the board.
No, not by a long shot. It has basically tanked in America and seems to be doing just OK elsewhere.
It looks doubtful whether it will even make it's budget back theatrically, let alone make a profit.
:'(
Quote from: radiator on 26 September, 2012, 11:36:08 AM
No, not by a long shot. It has basically tanked in America and seems to be doing just OK elsewhere.
Is
tanked really the best term for Dredd's performance? From what I've read (mostly here, admittedly) takings for almost all films in the US are relatively modest at the moment, so while Dredd might not have set the cinema-going world on fire, it's doing steady business.
Or am I way off?
Cheers James all those numbers on previous pages really confused me. It'd be a shame if the current financial slump impacted on the chances of a sequel. Its very understandable though, we are all strapped for disposable cash.
I think it will make it's money back from it's theatre run. Still got to open a lot of places yet, and there is a higher interest in Dredd then last week so maybe people are checking it out.
As of last weekend it had made $14,600,000 which doesn't seem bad on a $45 mil budget. And there's DVD/Blu-Ray which it will dominate at as it is one of those films that 'bokes' buy.
the film has to make twice it's box office to have considered broken even, Dredd could still do that with the worldwide release but it is not going to make enough profit to really generate a sequel (unless the chinese love it and they turn out in droves)
So to anyone depressed and downharted about this.
So Dredd failed at the U.S box office and does it matter...well yes and no. it's one of the most well reviewed flops in a long time and could easily make a lot of money on DVD and Netflix, this happens all the time, Austin Powers which had huge kudos for it's sequel actually made the majority of its profit on home release.
It has most certainly increased Dredds profile and 2000ad's profile in the states (not as much as one hoped but more people are aware of Dredd being more than just the 1995 film.)
Has it damaged the comic as some speculated earlier? Apparently not, Rebellion seemed to have played this much more cleverly than Fleetway did...( or must I remind you of the two flopped DC comics, the grudawful movie adaptation or the lawman of the future comic..."for kids?!?!?" that all came out in 1995, fleetway nearly bet the farm that time...and lost!)
Will there be a another Judge Dredd movie...actually probably we may have another 10 to 15 years to wait but it's a viable property.
Does it make other 2000ad properties movies a possibility...again yes and no! many will see this as a sign Dredd is unfilmable and perhaps it is for the mass audiencebut there's also a wealth of other stories with frankly easier stories to adapt for screen, Harry Twenty On The High Rock , The A.B.C Warriors, Strontium Dog , Rogue Trooper amongst others.. a certain film called Hardware was "inspired" by a 4 page Ro Jaws tale.
So is it disappointing ? Yes, is Dredd a good movie ? Yes and will there be other days? Of course there will be.
Quote from: johnone on 26 September, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
a certain film called Hardware was "inspired" by a 4 page Ro Jaws tale.
No need to beat around the bush, it was entirely based on it! Enough to have them forced to include a credit at the end on the DVD (or video at the time lol). Still, was a damn good film, which just goes to show...
I sometimes forget about Hardware's 2000AD connections. So that's two great 2000AD movies we now have!
Quote from: johnone on 26 September, 2012, 12:07:22 PMthe film has to make twice it's box office to have considered broken even
That depends entirely on the marketing budget, obviously, and we don't know what that was.
QuoteHas it damaged the comic as some speculated earlier? Apparently not, Rebellion seemed to have played this much more cleverly than Fleetway did
Case Files 1 sold out in the USA. More people are talking about Dredd generally. Americans are popping by this forum. Judging by the App Store charts, 2000 AD's iPad app is grossing well. So the absolute
worst-case scenario appears to be that Dredd has benefited the comic. (As for the comment earlier in the thread, I've genuinely no idea where that arrived from. 2000 AD is safe and its ongoing existence has no bearing on the movie.)
As for other 2000 AD movies, I doubt Dredd makes the slightest bit of difference. What will be more of an issue is the British sensibilities of most strips. 2000 AD revels in the anti-hero, which generally isn't so popular in the USA. Still, Button Man is apparently finally moving into gear again, there's the rumoured Rogue Trooper movie, and although some 2000 AD strips probably couldn't work without radical changes (Strontium Dog would perhaps end up being unfavourably compared to Firefly/Serenity), I could see a Sláine trilogy working really nicely in the cinema.
QuoteThat depends entirely on the marketing budget, obviously, and we don't know what that was.
Lionsgate reportedly spent $25m on prints and advertising for Dredd - it seems as if most of that was spent on TV ads aimed at wrestling fans. While we don't know what they paid for the distribution rights, it sounds like that $50m would be the minimum required for them to make a decent profit on it.
QuoteCase Files 1 sold out in the USA. More people are talking about Dredd generally. Americans are popping by this forum. Judging by the App Store charts, 2000 AD's iPad app is grossing well. So the absolute worst-case scenario appears to be that Dredd has benefited the comic.
Yes. Though relatively few people have seen Dredd 2012 compared to Judge Dredd '95, a lot of the people who have seen Dredd seem to want to check out the comics, whereas Judge Dredd probably put off more potential readers than it attracted.
Quote(As for the comment earlier in the thread, I've genuinely no idea where that arrived from. 2000 AD is safe and its ongoing existence has no bearing on the movie.)
That was me. The last time a Dredd film flopped, it nearly killed the comic. I accept that things are different now to how they were then, and I was merely suggesting that things may have ramifications later on down the line - I wasn't predicting doom and gloom or advocating blind panic.
Quote from: radiator on 26 September, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
I was merely suggesting that things may have ramifications later on down the line
Without wishing to hammer home the point, that's how it came across and it really, really won't.
The film is a good promoter of Dredd; if it was a bad representation of the character and a bad film, critically derided that no one liked - like the last film - it might do some damage, but that is certainly is not the case. It's the total opposite.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/imageArchive/images/5211_gall_003.jpg)
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 26 September, 2012, 12:39:07 PM
I sometimes forget about Hardware's 2000AD connections. So that's two great 2000AD movies we now have!
I liked Hardware, great film.
Regarding Dredd: is there anything else that will be contributed to the final takings? Such as a percentage of the soundtrack sales or something?
Quote from: Teivion on 26 September, 2012, 10:08:43 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, and Math was never my strongest point, but according to Box office mojo:
Sept 2011 total gross box office : $606.9 mil
compared to
Sept 2012 total box office ( so far..but hey 4 days left ) : $147.4 mil
So with that amount of drop ( if Im reading it right) Im not surprised the expected return isn't being made.
Have I read it right ?
http://boxofficemojo.com/monthly/
Yes, these last two weekends have been record-breaking here in the US for all the wrong reasons. The economy is definitely part of it. It costs the best part of $20 to see a movie in 3D over here and throw in a meal with that it's more than the average person can afford.
The other reason is simply that it's so much easier (and SO MUCH cheaper!!!!) to watch movies at home right now. I have a Roku box which streams Netflix, Amazon-On-Demand and a whole plethora of other goodies straight to the TV and most people are simply waiting a few months to see movies this way. No extra fees, no people on their phones (an absolute curse over here in a theater, by the way), no people kicking the seats behind you or arriving late.
Quote from: blackmocco on 26 September, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
. No extra fees, no people on their phones (an absolute curse over here in a theater, by the way), no people kicking the seats behind you or arriving late.
and no stroppy ticket sellers...(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/Empire%20screening/_MG_9994.jpg)
QuoteYes, these last two weekends have been record-breaking here in the US for all the wrong reasons. The economy is definitely part of it. It costs the best part of $20 to see a movie in 3D over here and throw in a meal with that it's more than the average person can afford.
The other reason is simply that it's so much easier (and SO MUCH cheaper!!!!) to watch movies at home right now. I have a Roku box which streams Netflix, Amazon-On-Demand and a whole plethora of other goodies straight to the TV and most people are simply waiting a few months to see movies this way. No extra fees, no people on their phones (an absolute curse over here in a theater, by the way), no people kicking the seats behind you or arriving late.
Meh - you could make that argument all day, but the fact is plenty of films still find an audience - like Resident Evil 5, which seems to be doing just fine. If Dredd was making the same money RE5 was, we'd have had Dredd 2 greenlit already.
Quote from: blackmocco on 26 September, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Teivion on 26 September, 2012, 10:08:43 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, and Math was never my strongest point, but according to Box office mojo:
Sept 2011 total gross box office : $606.9 mil
compared to
Sept 2012 total box office ( so far..but hey 4 days left ) : $147.4 mil
So with that amount of drop ( if Im reading it right) Im not surprised the expected return isn't being made.
Have I read it right ?
http://boxofficemojo.com/monthly/
Yes, these last two weekends have been record-breaking here in the US for all the wrong reasons. The economy is definitely part of it. It costs the best part of $20 to see a movie in 3D over here and throw in a meal with that it's more than the average person can afford.
The other reason is simply that it's so much easier (and SO MUCH cheaper!!!!) to watch movies at home right now. I have a Roku box which streams Netflix, Amazon-On-Demand and a whole plethora of other goodies straight to the TV and most people are simply waiting a few months to see movies this way. No extra fees, no people on their phones (an absolute curse over here in a theater, by the way), no people kicking the seats behind you or arriving late.
another good reason to have had more 2d prints out there maybe? They might have priced a niche and mature rated film out of the market by pushing 3d?
Get the feeling the bubble may have burst at the wrong time for them too as 3d seems to have a lot of folks who dislike it and have lost interest.
Thing is, we won't ever know how much the 3D-only aspect of Dredd kept people away. Perhaps it made a big difference, but maybe it only made the tiniest of dents, which was made up for by higher 3D ticket prices.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 26 September, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: blackmocco on 26 September, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
. No extra fees, no people on their phones (an absolute curse over here in a theater, by the way), no people kicking the seats behind you or arriving late.
and no stroppy ticket sellers...
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/Empire%20screening/_MG_9994.jpg)
They should have had cardboard Burdis standees.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2012, 04:02:27 PM
Thing is, we won't ever know how much the 3D-only aspect of Dredd kept people away. Perhaps it made a big difference, but maybe it only made the tiniest of dents, which was made up for by higher 3D ticket prices.
Yeah that's true. I was just wondering if the extra cost isn't helping during difficult economic times.
Quote from: Mudcrab on 26 September, 2012, 12:20:26 PMNo need to beat around the bush, it was entirely based on it! Enough to have them forced to include a credit at the end on the DVD (or video at the time lol). Still, was a damn good film, which just goes to show...
I've always found this bit of trivia a bit odd. The strip is just a woman being attacked by a robot for a few pages, not much else. The movie Hardware does a lot of things throughout its running time. I can of course tell the writer was a 2000AD fan, and crediting the Tooth is fair, but I wouldn't say the movie was entirely based on it.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2012, 12:32:25 AM
the massive Vues have all but cut the film from this coming weekend's refresh. Dredd is down to a single late showing per day. Elsewhere, Showcase is still running it, with up to four showings per day, but then Showcase tends to run films later and boast a wider selection anyway (despite having fewer screens than some of the local Vues). As for the local Odeon—the only other major chain in the area—Dredd finishes there entirely this Thursday.
Same here in Bristol, both the Vue's is canning it after the weekend, as is Cineworld. Odeon is down to two showings in the evening and the two Showcases are doing 4 a day over the weekend and then down to 3 from Monday. At this rate I'd estimate by Sunday week that it'll be done in the UK :(
Still it'll have done four weeks, which I suspect isn't bad for an 18 cert movie.
I am still thinking this should do ok though, there are a lot of countries yet for this to open in. I don't think this will lose money personally. Isn't the general thinking that the 'total' budget is production cost plus the promotional budget which is usually roughly equal to the production budget? so we're looking for about $90M?
Blackmocco was also making some good points about the pick up from Netflix and the like. There's still a lot of mileage left to go yet.
Dredd didn't cross the Cursed Earth a day you know!
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
I've always found this bit of trivia a bit odd. The strip is just a woman being attacked by a robot for a few pages, not much else. The movie Hardware does a lot of things throughout its running time. I can of course tell the writer was a 2000AD fan, and crediting the Tooth is fair, but I wouldn't say the movie was entirely based on it.
SHOK! : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from The Cursed Earth. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
HARDWARE : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from
The Cursed Earth a radioactive wasteland. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
I've always found this bit of trivia a bit odd. The strip is just a woman being attacked by a robot for a few pages, not much else. The movie Hardware does a lot of things throughout its running time. I can of course tell the writer was a 2000AD fan, and crediting the Tooth is fair, but I wouldn't say the movie was entirely based on it.
SHOK! : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from The Cursed Earth. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
HARDWARE : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from The Cursed Earth a radioactive wasteland. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
Sure, I'm aware of that. But if you posted an actual account of everything that happens in the brief story, and everything that happens in the movie, it's clear the movie is largely orginal.
Ha I mean, considering the whole misunderstood Dredd/The Raid issue, aren't we not into the whole boiling things down to the basic idea bit?
No.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
No.
How so? I agree the short story is the impetus for the idea of the film. But taking a very bare bones basic idea and fleshing it out into a full length film is enough that it's odd to say it just copied everything. Again, more of the movie is original stuff than not.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
I've always found this bit of trivia a bit odd. The strip is just a woman being attacked by a robot for a few pages, not much else. The movie Hardware does a lot of things throughout its running time. I can of course tell the writer was a 2000AD fan, and crediting the Tooth is fair, but I wouldn't say the movie was entirely based on it.
SHOK! : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from The Cursed Earth. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
HARDWARE : A soldier returning from duty buys a scrapped war robot from some dodgy bloke. The robot has been recovered from The Cursed Earth a radioactive wasteland. The soldier gives it to his artist girlfriend as a gift so she can use it in one of her sculptures. The robot reactivates and chases the girlfriend around her apartment in a huge, futuristic tower block, which she has now been trapped inside.
Sure, I'm aware of that. But if you posted an actual account of everything that happens in the brief story, and everything that happens in the movie, it's clear the movie is largely orginal.
Ha I mean, considering the whole misunderstood Dredd/The Raid issue, aren't we not into the whole boiling things down to the basic idea bit?
That's mostly down to it having to fill 90mins compared to a six page strip.
The basic premise of a robot > sculptural piece > homicidal killing machine is not as all encompassing than cops trapped in a building.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
I've always found this bit of trivia a bit odd. The strip is just a woman being attacked by a robot for a few pages, not much else. The movie Hardware does a lot of things throughout its running time. I can of course tell the writer was a 2000AD fan, and crediting the Tooth is fair, but I wouldn't say the movie was entirely based on it.
The legal system seemed to differ with you on that. Financial compensation for plagiarism and an agreement on onscreen credit were agreed on.
The Raid doesn't have identical characters in an identical setting doing identical things.
Hardware doesn't just have a roughly similar set up, it has the exact same plot and people with the exact same jobs in the exact same environment doing the exact same things. It's clearly ripped off the story.
The chances of all those identical elements coming about due to coincidence are very, very, very low indeed.
The Raid looks cluttered whereas Dredd looks like a smooth kill frenzy. I've never seen rampages done so coolly.
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 September, 2012, 06:08:29 PMThat's mostly down to it having to fill 90mins compared to a six page strip.
The basic premise of a robot > sculptural piece > homicidal killing machine is not as all encompassing than cops trapped in a building.
Sure, but just saying, I think filling that 90 minutes entertainingly is a bigger accomplishment that some give credit for. I certainly like the movie a lot more than that strip. Plus it has Lemmy. :D
And I'm not sure if the last sentence is supporting or disagreeing with my point.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 06:19:15 PM
The Raid doesn't have identical characters in an identical setting doing identical things.
Hardware doesn't just have a roughly similar set up, it has the exact same plot and people with the exact same jobs in the exact same environment doing the exact same things. It's clearly ripped off the story.
The chances of all those identical elements coming about due to coincidence are very, very, very low indeed.
Hey, I guess we agree to disagree. I honestly didn't think the strip had enough material to even convey much character.
Man I need that edit button, here's the triple post. Anyways, I never said it was a coincidence or disagreed that it was an influence/basis. Just saying the movie is entirely based on it I disagree with. 6 pages of comic versus what, 100 pages of script and a very good movie? Just my view there.
Quote from: GordonR on 26 September, 2012, 06:17:14 PM
The legal system seemed to differ with you on that. Financial compensation for plagiarism and an agreement on onscreen credit were agreed on.
I had some contact with Richard Stanley years ago, when I was developing a comic sequel to Hardware, and he maintained that there was certainly no intent to copy, but that the similarities are undeniable.
That's thing with these shorter and (no offence to MacManus and O'Neill) less memorable stories -- you're never going to mistakenly think you've come up with Judge Death off your own bat, but all these hundreds and hundreds of Future Shocks and shorts in annuals and specials just kind of merge into one big soup of stuff that you'd normally call 'influences'. Ordinarily, these will resurface piecemeal, or mis-remembered, or in combination with a completely different 'influence'.
And, occasionally, this mush of half-remembered stuff will disgorge something fully formed with no recollection of its origin and, as a creator, you're kind of relying on your editor/ producer/ mate down the pub to say: "You know what
that's just like, don't you...?"
Sometimes, when you're a writer/director knocking out a film in a few months on a budget of a million quid, the relative absence of oversight and interfering committees of money men is a godsend. Sometimes, it means that no one says to you: "You know what
that's just like, don't you...?"
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: GordonR on 26 September, 2012, 06:17:14 PM
The legal system seemed to differ with you on that. Financial compensation for plagiarism and an agreement on onscreen credit were agreed on.
First of all Gordon, I'm a fan. :D
And again, I'm not disagreeing with the court, like I said I think crediting it is fair. I'm just disagreeing with the fan sentiment that takes all credit away from the movie.
And thanks for the info there Jim, I think that's a good insight on the topic.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 September, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
That's thing with these shorter and (no offence to MacManus and O'Neill) less memorable stories -- you're never going to mistakenly think you've come up with Judge Death off your own bat
Unless you're this bloke...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1367972/BBC-sued-Who-drew-evil-Dalek-mastermind-Davros.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1367972/BBC-sued-Who-drew-evil-Dalek-mastermind-Davros.html)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 September, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
And, occasionally, this mush of half-remembered stuff will disgorge something fully formed with no recollection of its origin and, as a creator, you're kind of relying on your editor/ producer/ mate down the pub to say: "You know what that's just like, don't you...?"
Done that myself, and proposed such a hypothesis on here not too long ago when somebody posted a story in another thread which appeared to be pretty much identical to a future shock, ('course that was before I noticed all the other very familiar looking story ideas).
So, yes, I know it does happen, and I'm not saying it's necessarily an
intentional rip-off but it's still clearly the same story.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 06:30:00 PMJust saying the movie is entirely based on it I disagree with. 6 pages of comic versus what, 100 pages of script and a very good movie? Just my view there.
If somebody wrote a 90 minute film about three young, porcine farmyard animals who decide to build their own homes out of a variety of materials, which are then, in turn, exhaled upon to their detriment by a large, morally corrupt, lupine gentleman, but then included a romantic subplot regarding one of the pig's ex-girlfriend, (whom piggy still carries a torch for), becoming romantically involved with the wolf, completely unaware of the hairy chap's fondness for pork sausages, I'd still consider it to be The Three Little Pigs.
More Dredd in the Grauniad (from a couple of days back, so sorry if this already got posted), this from a general round-up of box-office performances in recent releases :
"IM Global and its Indian parent company, Reliance, financed and produced Dredd, the generally well-reviewed Judge Dredd remake starring Karl Urban. This one previewed at Comic-Con last July and premiered in Toronto, but fell short of expectations in the harsh proving grounds of theatrical release. It debuted in sixth place on $6.3m. Decent word of mouth may help Dredd stick around and it, too, will prosper on ancillary platforms."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/sep/24/indie-films-us-box-office?INTCMP=SRCH
A round-up yesterday put Dredd at #9 in the UK: £382,359 from 322 sites. Total: £3,696,772
I know that cinema is still the ultimate way of seeing a film, but it seems odd in this day and age of 'ancillary platforms' that so much emphasis is put on the theatrical release. What percentage of a movie's takings, nowadays, comes from DVD/Blu-Ray/rentals/legal downloads?
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 26 September, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
Man I need that edit button, here's the triple post. Anyways, I never said it was a coincidence or disagreed that it was an influence/basis. Just saying the movie is entirely based on it I disagree with. 6 pages of comic versus what, 100 pages of script and a very good movie? Just my view there.
In danger of veering off topic and lots has been said, but I'd agree with you that it involved a lot of good work from all involved to produce the film on top of just Shok. You're right, it's not entirely based on it but I'd say that the entirety of the strip was used as a basis for it.
I'd forgotten about the Lemmy bit, which is great :D AND it has Ministry/GWAR on the telly. I was going to say it had Ian Dury too but I'm thinking of "another" film there and entirely different dodgy dealer selling robot parts ;)
Quote from: Hoagy on 26 September, 2012, 06:20:37 PM
The Raid looks cluttered whereas Dredd looks like a smooth kill frenzy. I've never seen rampages done so coolly.
Just watching it now. It is damned good.
Must say though , apart from a similar premise it's not that much like Dredd, different setup, totally different type of combat and action and Dredd has very different characters and I felt more setup for its story too.
Quote from: Mudcrab on 26 September, 2012, 07:56:43 PM
I'd forgotten about the Lemmy bit, which is great :D AND it has Ministry/GWAR on the telly.
And let us not forget Carl McCoy somewhat ironically asking "Where's the little man" bless him.
Anyway, isn't Hardware altogether off topic, as entertianing as it is.
A bit of a boost from Monday Box-Office:
Mon $567,929
Tue $734,883
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/daily/2012-09-26
Groovy, could bode well for the weekend.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 26 September, 2012, 07:04:51 PM
So, yes, I know it does happen, and I'm not saying it's necessarily an intentional rip-off but it's still clearly the same story.
No, it is, and Stanley has even gone as far as to say that he had a fairly close relative on the IPC staff in the late 70s -- he was remarkably upfront about acknowledging that Shok could have been -- and probably was -- the direct inspiration for Hardware, but was adamant that what he
didn't do was sit down with the intention of ripping it off.
I now return you to regularly scheduled thread.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
A bit of a boost from Monday Box-Office:
Mon $567,929
Tue $734,883
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/daily/2012-09-26
Tuesdays in North America are usually when cinemas have discount prices. I went to see it again here in Toronto (in 2D!) and there were a good few people in the cinema but tickets were half the price they usually are. Hopefully the strong word-of-mouth will help but it seems like the chains are already cutting it loose as a dud. Lionsgate should consider trying to get more 2D prints out there if it's not too late already.
Second viewing of the film and I thought it was good but not great. There really is far too many scenes of Dredd walking around corridors and the pacing falls apart in the middle. Funnily enough, I feel the film would have benifitted by being ten to fifteen minutes
shorter. The reason so many compare it negatively to The Raid is because they do have similar plots but The Raid has far superior action scenes. The action in Dredd isn't particularly great. Also that scene in the classroom where Dredd talks to Anderson about going on the offensive: am I right in assuming that was one of the reshoots? Because it looks noticeably different to the scenes which bridge it. Like it was shot with a different camera and by a different cinematographer. It's great that they got the character right but I would have preferred more allusions to Mega-City One life; the film's set design for the block was also a bit too generic. The slo-mo scenes definitely work better in 3D!
Quote from: PreacherCain on 26 September, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
Also that scene in the classroom where Dredd talks to Anderson about going on the offensive: am I right in assuming that was one of the reshoots? Because it looks noticeably different to the scenes which bridge it. Like it was shot with a different camera and by a different cinematographer.
The reshoots involved the beginning (at the shopping-mall) and the end scene with Ma Ma. I don't see anything odd about the interrogation scene. Don't know how you could tell it was shot by a different cinematographer.
The more I see The Raid comparisons the more I get a bit frustrated that people feel the need to pick a side. I love both of them, if I'm honest The Raid is quite probably my favorite action movie. Ever. Dredd on the other hand I think may well be my favorite movie, full stop. Don't see why people can't just love them both for the different things they offer.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
A bit of a boost from Monday Box-Office:
Mon $567,929
Tue $734,883
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/daily/2012-09-26
After opening in 6th place at the weekend, Dredd has now gone up to 4th. Curious.....
Word of mouth has to be helping.
Bloody shame if they are canning it in some cinemas before it gets a chance to gain momentum. They seem to cut everything if it doesnt instantly make money over there.
Yep, on the US forums I go on, word of mouth has been very positive.
And numerous articles saying "Why is Dredd failing? It's great!" are hopefully arousing people from their apathy.
After it's low weekend figures, Dredd will certainly lose screenings in the US - but daily takings will be closely monitored by those who make the decisions. If it continues to pick up customers, it will hang around for a while yet.
I'm not getting good vibes about the box office from this thread. I saw it last week and even though I didn't think it was as good as some were making out before it's still well worth a watch (with certain reservations I still have about it).
It certainly doesn't deserve to flop. Is it really bombing or could dvd sales make up for bad box office?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 September, 2012, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: PreacherCain on 26 September, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
Also that scene in the classroom where Dredd talks to Anderson about going on the offensive: am I right in assuming that was one of the reshoots? Because it looks noticeably different to the scenes which bridge it. Like it was shot with a different camera and by a different cinematographer.
The reshoots involved the beginning (at the shopping-mall) and the end scene with Ma Ma. I don't see anything odd about the interrogation scene. Don't know how you could tell it was shot by a different cinematographer.
Hmm, that's odd. It looked very different to me, like it was shot on a (really good) mobile phone or something! The lighting, colour and sound all seemed at odds with the scenes before and after. Maybe it's just me :o
I didn't notice anything cinematically different in those shots.
Saw it for the 11th time tonight , (I've put the creds in for this film) and the screening was half full (or half empty -you choose) and the audience seemed to enjoy it, making all the right noises in all the right places. Its a pity films dont get a longer run like they used to...
much respect, ive only been 7 times hope to catch my 8th screening on MONDAY
National DREDD DAY 30th Sept spread the word!!!!!!what about having a national DREDD day ......Everyone must take 1 friend along on the 30th
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 26 September, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Saw it for the 11th time tonight , (I've put the creds in for this film) and the screening was half full (or half empty -you choose) and the audience seemed to enjoy it, making all the right noises in all the right places. Its a pity films dont get a longer run like they used to...
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 26 September, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Saw it for the 11th time tonight , (I've put the creds in for this film) and the screening was half full (or half empty -you choose) and the audience seemed to enjoy it, making all the right noises in all the right places. Its a pity films dont get a longer run like they used to...
Half-full, whereabouts?
Cleveleys Nr Blackpool
11 times, that deserves an award.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 September, 2012, 12:07:13 AM
11 times, that deserves an award.
And that is someone who loathed the film at the beginning.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 26 September, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Saw it for the 11th time tonight , (I've put the creds in for this film) and the screening was half full (or half empty -you choose) and the audience seemed to enjoy it, making all the right noises in all the right places. Its a pity films dont get a longer run like they used to...
WOW 11 times fair play sir ive only been twice but im going to see it again on sat :thumbsup:
Please don't hate me, in Denmark its 13 quid a pop with traveling expenses so twice is all i can manage :)
Quote from: junox on 27 September, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
much respect, ive only been 7 times hope to catch my 8th screening on MONDAY
National DREDD DAY 30th Sept spread the word!!!!!!
what about having a national DREDD day ......Everyone must take 1 friend along on the 30th
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 26 September, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Saw it for the 11th time tonight , (I've put the creds in for this film) and the screening was half full (or half empty -you choose) and the audience seemed to enjoy it, making all the right noises in all the right places. Its a pity films dont get a longer run like they used to...
Great idea i was gonna see it again sat but i can wait till sunday we should do a league to see whos seen it the most and by the end of its run crown a winner i think the sherman kid might just edge it haha :thumbsup:
Quote from: painbros22 on 27 September, 2012, 12:34:32 AM
Please don't hate me, in Denmark its 13 quid a pop with traveling expenses so twice is all i can manage :)
its worth every penny mate
Quote from: Misanthrope on 27 September, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 September, 2012, 12:07:13 AM
11 times, that deserves an award.
And that is someone who loathed the film at the beginning.
????
Not liking the props/vehicles they were using is not the same as 'loathing the film'.Still wish they used better stuff esp vehicles and tech equipment (apparently the budget wouldn't stretch to it)but I love the film they've made.Above all they have nailed Dredd as a character.
Not apparently. Definitely. Avis was never actually told what their Hilux' were going to be used for..
I didn't mind the vehicles actually. It's fairly logical that after a nuclear war people would ressurect old designs which don't rely on any microchips or computerised parts, as the EMP from a nuclear detonation would instantly fry these components rendering the vehicles useless.
EMP only affects that which is switched on at the time of the blast. It doesn't suddenly throw a societies tech' level back to the stone age. Older, more reliable vehicles would be prevalant for practical/mechanical and economical reasons.
I thought the vehicles looked great. Mega City One has always had cars anyway.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 26 September, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 September, 2012, 04:02:27 PM
Thing is, we won't ever know how much the 3D-only aspect of Dredd kept people away. Perhaps it made a big difference, but maybe it only made the tiniest of dents, which was made up for by higher 3D ticket prices.
Yeah that's true. I was just wondering if the extra cost isn't helping during difficult economic times.
We told 'em at the start! It's that damn oversized helmet!
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 27 September, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
I thought the vehicles looked great. Mega City One has always had cars anyway.
True - often thought it didn't make much sense to use a Lawmaster if cars fly. Not that the Stallone Lawmaster was the solution, mind you
With the vehicles thing i have this little theory. Mega City One is vast, so vast only 40% of it has been covered in the comics. So it is entirely plausible that some areas are basically like the third world with very poor infrastructure. Its kinda like going to Moss Side in Manchester. People in that area are not driving around in BMW's, they drive around in shitty Ford Cortina's from 1972, the roads are crap cause nobody wants to go there and the police only show up in extreme circumstances. If you think of it that way then the area around Peach Trees is so horrible that people with fancy mopads dare not even drive through it ( you wouldn't want to drive through Moss Side either ) and the population in the area simply cannot afford robots etc. That would explain the lack of flying vehicles.
I'd say that, along with a lowish budget, this is more about realism and extrapolation. Today's world doesn't have flying cars, nor robots that scoot about like Walter. But it does have increasingly massive cities, repressive police forces and extremely high-tech in tiny places. Early 2000 AD had walking robots but computers the size of a house; instead, our robots can barely walk up stairs, but we can nip into Argos and buy a device superior to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy for 150 quid.
In Cuba they still drive American cars from the 1950's, it's not hard to imagine a city-state 3 times the the size of Cuba - completey urbanised and packed with 800 million people from it's outer wall to the Atlantic - needing to run old cars. After a nuclear war nothing would be wasted and if old vehicles - and the factory plants that made them - can be repurposed and made to work, why not? The only vehicles that we see in the film look quite utilitarian - like the blocks themselves - vans and buses, public transport etc so it's possible there's room for other of more advanced vehicles in the better serviced and less ghettoised areas of the city.
The only people who make this criticism, and few actually do, are those all ready familiar with comic-Dredd so it obviously doesn't stand out or come across as illogical and that's because the concept fits with the design and post-apocalyptic setting.
Didnt albert einstein say and i quote i no not with what weapons world war 3 will be fought, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones
If there was so little land based traffic in the big meg..what would be the point in all these roads?
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Quote from: Fisticuffs on 27 September, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
EMP only affects that which is switched on at the time of the blast. It doesn't suddenly throw a societies tech' level back to the stone age. Older, more reliable vehicles would be prevalant for practical/mechanical and economical reasons.
That's one of the big reservations I had about the film from the beginning and still do even though the film itself was worth watching. There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
Shielding for the military kit!
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
Not in the slum sectors of the city.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
That's one of the big reservations I had about the film from the beginning and still do even though the film itself was worth watching. There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
So the only consequence of a nuclear war is the EMP? I think it's far more likely that in a future of scarce resources, those in charge - i.e. the Judges - and social elites monopolize the better tech while everyone else is left to fend for themselves with what can be scavenged or built with inferior and scarce materials. Don't forget the Lawmasters and the 'spy in the sky' drones are clearly higher tech, while the Hall of Justice is a cool, gleaming building bristling with technology.
Not unlike the country it was filmed in, DREDD showed a painfully unequal society that is crumbling from the ground up. Which is why I loved every minute.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 27 September, 2012, 06:20:12 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
Not in the slum sectors of the city.
I suppose that could be possible but you still see modern up to date cars in real slum parts of cities around the world.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
I suppose that could be possible but you still see modern up to date cars in real slum parts of cities around the world.
Not many though. We're on that highway for, what, three minutes max?
That's a really good point, the shots of the control room, the lawmaster computers, the voice activated lawgivers etc. are all swanky pieces of kit. It creates a nice contrast with the way things are on street level and in Peach Trees.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
I suppose that could be possible but you still see modern up to date cars in real slum parts of cities around the world.
but they aren't a walled city of 800 million,
post-apocalypse.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 September, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
That's one of the big reservations I had about the film from the beginning and still do even though the film itself was worth watching. There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
So the only consequence of a nuclear war is the EMP? I think it's far more likely that in a future of scarce resources, those in charge - i.e. the Judges - and social elites monopolize the better tech while everyone else is left to fend for themselves with what can be scavenged or built with inferior and scarce materials. Don't forget the Lawmasters and the 'spy in the sky' drones are clearly higher tech, while the Hall of Justice is a cool, gleaming building bristling with technology.
Not unlike the country it was filmed in, DREDD showed a painfully unequal society that is crumbling from the ground up. Which is why I loved every minute.
Fair points. If we do ever get a sequel though I'd like to see Mega City expanded upon with robots, flying cars and those roads snaking high between the skyscrapers. They're an integral part of M.C. so let's see em.
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Quote from: Molch-R on 27 September, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 September, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
That's one of the big reservations I had about the film from the beginning and still do even though the film itself was worth watching. There'd still be loads of more advanced vehicles about in the future world of Dredd even if there was a load of nuclear explosions or EMP.
So the only consequence of a nuclear war is the EMP? I think it's far more likely that in a future of scarce resources, those in charge - i.e. the Judges - and social elites monopolize the better tech while everyone else is left to fend for themselves with what can be scavenged or built with inferior and scarce materials. Don't forget the Lawmasters and the 'spy in the sky' drones are clearly higher tech, while the Hall of Justice is a cool, gleaming building bristling with technology.
Not unlike the country it was filmed in, DREDD showed a painfully unequal society that is crumbling from the ground up. Which is why I loved every minute.
The LOGIC of it is all fine and good, and works well for this particular film, but not the issue really.As a Dredd fan , for me,it would have been good to see more future tech material, whatever it may be, but alas the budget wasn't there.The most important bits ,the uniform and lawgiver were spot on.Anyway as I say, still an excellent enjoyable film.
and the real Dredd persona has hit the big screen, so its all good.
The most advanced kit is and always will be for the military. You could come up with an equal place for space (the military will always have something to do with this behind the scenes) and probably sports such as F1 for vehicle development.
In Mega-City One the Judges are the new military in terms of research and development for new toys and so they will have all the best kit many years before anything is available for the citizens. Even then they won't have anything as good as the Judges and by then the Judges will have devised even better kit!
There is -a- robot. In the med centre there's a small surgical robot. You only briefly see the top of it through one of the windows. Also, there's the drones milling around which may or may not be remote controlled..
Thing is, it is present, but it's not a focus point. It's there in the background, just like in Star Wars space travel was more or less incidental. Granted, more bucks would've meant more tech. However, this was a manky block where if they weren't careful, even the Lawmasters would end up on bricks.
and also the cleaning-droid in the mall.
Dredd is the 'MTV Hero of the week', with them imploring folk to go and see him this weekend. Better than a daystick to the skull.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 27 September, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
this was a manky block where if they weren't careful, even the Lawmasters would end up on bricks.
:lol:Brilliant.
Quote from: flesario on 27 September, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
Dredd is the 'MTV Hero of the week', with them imploring folk to go and see him this weekend. Better than a daystick to the skull.
Excellent news, Dredd just needs more breathing space so word of mouth can does its work (a faint hope I know)
5 4 Dredd LGF $528,144 -28% - 2,506 $211 $8,109,447
Slowly getting some more cash...
Just went to see it in Bahrain city centre and while I really enjoyed the movie it was marred by the running time only being 87 minutes - I reckon the arseholes chopped nearly 10 minutes from the movie! The fabled violence that got the 18 cert seeemd to be almost completely expunged. >:(
That and half the screen being covered by arabic AND french subtitles.
There are also no 3D prints available here either.
You obviously didn't see the nudity then!
Quote from: malkymac on 27 September, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Just went to see it in Bahrain city centre and while I really enjoyed the movie it was marred by the running time only being 87 minutes - I reckon the arseholes chopped nearly 10 minutes from the movie! The fabled violence that got the 18 cert seeemd to be almost completely expunged. >:(
That and half the screen being covered by arabic AND french subtitles.
There are also no 3D prints available here either.
Ugh.. That's annoying..
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 27 September, 2012, 01:47:31 PM
EMP only affects that which is switched on at the time of the blast. It doesn't suddenly throw a societies tech' level back to the stone age. Older, more reliable vehicles would be prevalant for practical/mechanical and economical reasons.
That's a misconception I'm afraid, albeit a common one. EMP creates an 'induced current' which will flow through electrical devices regardless whether they're powered up or not. Circuits composed of discrete components stand a good chance of surviving unscathed. Microchips are a different matter altogether as they're far more sensitive to even the smallest electrical currents (the currents they're designed to handle in operating conditions are, relatively speaking, tiny). Unshielded microelectronics will fry regardless of whether they are turned on or off.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 27 September, 2012, 09:12:57 PM
5 4 Dredd LGF $528,144 -28% - 2,506 $211 $8,109,447
Slowly getting some more cash...
3rd place is $724,000, and Dredd is above Resident Evil so iI cant see it being pulled too quickly.
Hopefully not.
I see around ten pages back it was noted that Dredd was being pulled from a specific Odeon this week (Indigo Prime I think) but Liverpool One still has it showing four times a day next week. Which is good because I planned to impulse buy.
Quote from: Stan on 28 September, 2012, 05:16:30 AM
Hopefully not.
I see around ten pages back it was noted that Dredd was being pulled from a specific Odeon this week (Indigo Prime I think) but Liverpool One still has it showing four times a day next week. Which is good because I planned to impulse buy.
Its done well in the UK, its more a worry in the US where under-performing films are yanked quickly
Quote from: malkymac on 27 September, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Just went to see it in Bahrain city centre and while I really enjoyed the movie it was marred by the running time only being 87 minutes - I reckon the arseholes chopped nearly 10 minutes from the movie! The fabled violence that got the 18 cert seeemd to be almost completely expunged. >:(
That and half the screen being covered by arabic AND french subtitles.
There are also no 3D prints available here either.
So basically you just saw a film in which Dredd and Anderson go to Peach Trees, get the elevator to the top floor, encountering no resistance, tell off Mama, then leave!
Quote from: Stan on 28 September, 2012, 05:16:30 AMI see around ten pages back it was noted that Dredd was being pulled from a specific Odeon this week (Indigo Prime I think) but Liverpool One still has it showing four times a day next week. Which is good because I planned to impulse buy.
Yep. Dredd is now gone from Odeon in Basingstoke, which I suspect might be down to a lack of 3D screens and Dredd's niche appeal (versus Brave 3D, which is still showing). Now would be the time to roll out 2D prints to British cinemas, if they want them. Interesting to see the likes of Spider-Man still playing in the same cinema—but only late showings in 2D (i.e. the slot Dredd could do well in).
Elsewhere locally, Dredd's also gone from Odeon Guildford, is down to a single late showing in Vue in Basingstoke/Camberley and two in Reading. Showcase in Winnersh, near Reading, has dropped Dredd to four showings on Friday/Saturday and three from Sunday. Showcase is actually pretty good at playing films for longer, so that's no surprise. Overall, I guess if you want to see Dredd in the UK, do so this weekend, because it'll largely be gone at next Thursday's refresh. (Note that this isn't any kind of criticism of the film—I think its run's been pretty much what you'd expect for the type of film that it is. That said, as I noted earlier, it might have been sensible to have 2D prints waiting in the wings for a longer tail, but there you go.)
Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: malkymac on 27 September, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Just went to see it in Bahrain city centre and while I really enjoyed the movie it was marred by the running time only being 87 minutes - I reckon the arseholes chopped nearly 10 minutes from the movie! The fabled violence that got the 18 cert seeemd to be almost completely expunged. >:(
That and half the screen being covered by arabic AND french subtitles.
There are also no 3D prints available here either.
So basically you just saw a film in which Dredd and Anderson go to Peach Trees, get the elevator to the top floor, encountering no resistance, tell off Mama, then leave!
Dredd gave the guys in the blue van at the start a ticket for speeding as well.
In four hours time i finally get to see Dredd in my own Danish empty theater. I'm giddy like a little boy at christmas, even had problems sleeping last night as i had my own version of Midnight Surfer playing in my head ( just with far more sex scenes with Anne Hathaway ). Just can't wait !!!
went to see it again last night with my better half at braintree and there was at least 25 people in there which for a thursday at 6:30 which i thought was a good turn out she did enjoy the film but was not impressed with the vision of MC1 and thought the 1995 film was much better with the cityscape and vehicles i did mention the massive differance in budget but she came back and said they should of spent more of the budget at the beginning outside of peachtrees..cant please all the people all the time i suppose
Still showing in Bristol 'til next Thursday at least - nobody near enough for a cider 'n cinema evening? ;)
Come over to the Diff on Wednesday and join us. I can provide a sofa :)
about 20 people at the 9.00 2D showing in Belfast last night.
Both 2D and 3D versions made it through to another week at the big chain here - showing 2D in one of their 2 central branches, 3D at the other.
Hurrah.. that means another viewing next week. Have to say the film only improves with repeat viewings. If any of the people involved still are reading - you rock.
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 28 September, 2012, 12:48:29 PM
Still showing in Bristol 'til next Thursday at least - nobody near enough for a cider 'n cinema evening? ;)
I'm seeing it at the Bristol Odeon again tomorrow at 6ish with a mate and her boyfriend. Sadly I'll have to pass on the cider 'n' cinema evening as I'm running the Bristol Half Marathon on Sunday morning :( :)
If it's still still being shown by the Showcase next weekend, which I think might be likely, could possilbly do one then.
About 20 at the Leeds Showcase last night.
I might keep an eye out for 2D showings, as I don't think I can see 3D properly. It hasn't effected my enjoyment of the film, but I would like to see it in 2D on the big screen as well.
Stacey I'm confused, what's a DIFF?
Devs, I'm away the next weekend but if you're around in the week give us a PM I'm well up for another bit o' Dredd.
Good luck with the half marathon!
The 'Diff is what we call Cardiff round 'ere :)
I'm off to see it again tomorrow night for the last time. That'll only be 3 times for me but it's the first time I've seen a film at the cinema more than twice.
I'm going with my brother who used to read 2000 AD back in the 80's. I KNOW it's going to blow him away!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 28 September, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
I'm going with my brother who used to read 2000 AD back in the 80's. I KNOW it's going to blow him away!
When he comes out and says 'That blew me away' you have to say 'Ahhh noooo yewd say that'
Quote from: James Stacey on 28 September, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
The 'Diff is what we call Cardiff round 'ere :)
Also short for the differential on a car..
It's finally arrived in my local cinema, 2d only at this cinema in the new screen that just opened as the refurb progresses.
Wife doesn't want to see it again so we are going to see Looper. I'll probably wait for DVD now.
http://www.odeon.co.uk/fanatic/film_info/s71/Brighton/m100431/Dredd_3D/
Looking good in Brighton- which is pretty cool considering that I saw NO posters of any sort around town. If I wasn't a fan of it before hand - I wouldnt have known there was a film out .....
It's gone at the three cinemas near me. C'mon BluRay hurry up...
Cardiff ey? ...tempted... I've never actually been despite my close location.
ON-TOPIC: ",creep!"
Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 28 September, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Cardiff ey? ...tempted... I've never actually been despite my close location.
ON-TOPIC: ",creep!"
Joooooooin uuuuuuussss.....
For 20 years i have been calling RESYK "res-sic", now after tonite Dredd told me i'm epic fail and it's actually "ree-syke" ***Head smashes into desk violently***
Quote from: Something Fishy on 28 September, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
It's finally arrived in my local cinema, 2d only at this cinema in the new screen that just opened as the refurb progresses.
Wife doesn't want to see it again so we are going to see Looper. I'll probably wait for DVD now.
How can you have posted 2500 times to the forum and NOT see Dredd?
I belive the fish has al ready seen it.
that would explain my bafflement.
Am blessed with another half who is even more keen for multiple viewings than I. She's been well trained.
Quote from: painbros22 on 28 September, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
For 20 years i have been calling RESYK "res-sic", now after tonite Dredd told me i'm epic fail and it's actually "ree-syke" ***Head smashes into desk violently***
Excellent! Live and learn, eh? :)
Quote from: painbros22 on 28 September, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
For 20 years i have been calling RESYK "res-sic", now after tonite Dredd told me i'm epic fail and it's actually "ree-syke" ***Head smashes into desk violently***
But...isn't it obviously short for 'recycle'?
Why has this thread only got 84 pages? Don't you people care AT ALL about the film?
Quote from: painbros22 on 28 September, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
For 20 years i have been calling RESYK "res-sic", now after tonite Dredd told me i'm epic fail and it's actually "ree-syke" ***Head smashes into desk violently***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78
Smallest drop in the top 5 :)
1 End of Watch $1,046,554 -14% 2,730 -- $383 $18,168,632
2 Trouble with the Curve $894,063 -15% 3,212 -- $278 $16,195,962
3 House at the End of the Street $558,738 -17% 3,083 -- $181 $15,070,969
4 Dredd 3D $475,160 -10% 2,506 -- $190 $8,584,607
5 Resident Evil: Retribution $468,858 -11% 3,016 4 $155 $35,704,933
Making more than resident drivel? Nice!
Reports of Dredd's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
It also fell the least out of any film in the top 5 - 10% - and via less theatres. It's a steady earner, down to word of mouth, if not a runaways success but then again it is an R-rated Sci-Fi action film.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 28 September, 2012, 09:55:48 PM
Reports of Dredd's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Demise was...... uncooperative.
Holy mother of God this film is amazing. Fuck the US critics. A film this good is only gonna grow. If it's not a hit at the cinema it'll be a cult smash on Blu-ray. Sooner or later there will be a sequel, and I for one cannot wait.
After a week's word of mouth I wonder who will do better against Looper this weekend. I can't imagine House At The End Of The Street would gain much of a boost in this regard. Although I suppose the type of people who saw it first time round may have actually found it to be the scariest movie in history. I am intrigued anyway.
Not counting any other new releases I'm unaware off, I think it would go something like this..
Looper
End Of Watch
Dredd
Though people came out in droves for Nemo 3D so I probably shouldn't make stupid predictions.
Hotel Transylvania (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0837562/) will be number 1.
Aaaaah, damn it all to f%@king hell. Animated films should be banned. They're ten a penny nowadays.
Been to see Loopers , it was good but the Dredd trailer at the start made me want to see it again. I'm going to drag one of my old buddies out with me mid week to see it whilst it's near me.
Quote from: BPP on 28 September, 2012, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: Something Fishy on 28 September, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
It's finally arrived in my local cinema, 2d only at this cinema in the new screen that just opened as the refurb progresses.
Wife doesn't want to see it again so we are going to see Looper. I'll probably wait for DVD now.
How can you have posted 2500 times to the forum and NOT see Dredd?
Yeah seen it already further away when the 2d print turned up there.
Wife wanted a new film tonight, so i'm going to need to sneak out another night.
I updated my Facebook thusly..
Americans, take heed. Is a vampire really the best role model for your children?
Take them to see DREDD this weekend. Teach them a healthy respect for THE LAW.
Thank you
Quote from: Montynero on 28 September, 2012, 10:57:25 PM
Holy mother of God this film is amazing. Fuck the US critics. A film this good is only gonna grow. If it's not a hit at the cinema it'll be a cult smash on Blu-ray. Sooner or later there will be a sequel, and I for one cannot wait.
Needs a like button
+1
Quote from: Something Fishy on 28 September, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
Been to see Loopers , it was good but the Dredd trailer at the start made me want to see it again. I'm going to drag one of my old buddies out with me mid week to see it whilst it's near me.
Good that the trailer is running in front of such a big film though!
Yeah,nice that the trailer is still running even though the films out,shows that they haven't given up.
Good point that. It can't hurt. It's only just arrived in my local though so that might be why.
The old bint next to me annoyed me, she piped up "oh, we've seen the whole of that already then" after the trailer. So i made a point of saying what a brilliant film it was to the wife loud enough to ensure she heard it..
It makes my heart bleed to see such a great film take such small takings so far, but I have faith that as said earlier the film will grow and takings will improve. The DVD/Blu-Ray sales should be good as I'm sure it will sell well.
Here's me keeping the hope of a sequel alive, congrats to all for giving an ol' fart like me a chance to see Dredd on screen as he should be after all these years.
Quote from: painbros22 on 28 September, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
For 20 years i have been calling RESYK "res-sic", now after tonite Dredd told me i'm epic fail and it's actually "ree-syke" ***Head smashes into desk violently***
I was a "rezzik" man myself for a while. Around the same time I was also under the impression that the poisonous chem (chemical) clouds in Rogue Trooper should be pronounced "shem" rather than "kem". Psi Division caused some confusion, and don't even start me on Sláine (and I'm Irish!).
In other more on topic news, Dredd movie is great, go see it twice!
Out of the top ten for Friday.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/fine-friday-box-office-sony-claims-1-hotel-transylvania-and-2-looper-universal-platforms-pitch-perfect-on-key-waldenfox-surrenders-wont-back-down/
No word of mouth bump then.
Sadly that'll see it pulled much quicker than over here.
I think we can safely the 50 million sequel target isn't going to get nearly reached.
I still think it might do enough globally and with home releases to make a small profit so won't be considered a bomb in the long term.
Looper did well. 15 rating helps a lot with sci fi. The 18 rating and 3d bumping the price and limiting the audience during poor economic times feel like they've made it a massive missed opportunity to me.
QuoteOut of the top ten for Friday.
:o
Staggering.
Absolutely staggering.
I didn't think it would do so badly in my worst nightmares.
How utterly depressing.
Roll on the DVD sales I say.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Looper did well. 15 rating helps a lot with sci fi. The 18 rating and 3d bumping the price and limiting the audience during poor economic times feel like they've made it a massive missed opportunity to me.
I can recall you saying this three weeks ago fishy your spot on mate i think the 3D fad is losing its appeal every cinema should have a 2D option but man is dredd great in 3D
I really don't know why Dredd has ignored 2D to such a degree. It's audience is primarily an adult one, most of whom surely aren't so enthusiastic for 3D as juves are.
I'll be interested to hear opinions and explanations from Lionsgate, Garland and DNA further down the line.
Crap. :( I'm very disappointed. Guess good critical reception and w.o.m didn't make up the numbers alas.
Quote from: hazy efc on 29 September, 2012, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Looper did well. 15 rating helps a lot with sci fi. The 18 rating and 3d bumping the price and limiting the audience during poor economic times feel like they've made it a massive missed opportunity to me.
I can recall you saying this three weeks ago fishy your spot on mate i think the 3D fad is losing its appeal every cinema should have a 2D option but man is dredd great in 3D
I have to admit to obviously being biased against 3d because I can't see it but I wasn't just going by my problem with it but by how many people i know who dislike it and will actively avoid it (and i'd read many more saying the same including several on grcade where i'm often found).
I think it's such a shame they were forced down this route to get funding. The funders were short sighted (aren't they always) and have hamstrung their own investment.
I bet it is great in 3d though for sure, i've heard nothing bad from those who like it. Just such a shame they didn't make the cheap old money option widely available. Get the feeling they could have doubled their sales if they did that and could get a 15 rating (but that would compromise their vision for this film so fair enough I guess).
Quote from: MattJW on 29 September, 2012, 02:30:46 PM
I really don't know why Dredd has ignored 2D to such a degree. It's audience is primarily an adult one, most of whom surely aren't so enthusiastic for 3D as juves are.
I'll be interested to hear opinions and explanations from Lionsgate, Garland and DNA further down the line.
that's a good point. the older audience are much more likely to have visual problems and to wear glasses, putting a lof of them off. They're also probably more averse to these fads.
How's ar' excellent Dredd film done in comparison with District Nines takings (or is it still to early to calculate)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9#Box_office
115 million in the USA and Canada. It did much better.
District 9 Opening Weekend: $37m
Dredd Opening Weekend: $6m.
it's a bloody shame.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/09/25/will-dredd-3d-finally-kill-the-comic-con-myth/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They have a point. Comic Con tells us nothing about how ordinary folk will take to things. Promote it poorly at your peril.
Optimistic position adopted: Lookin' good for Dredd's enduring cult status!
Really is a pisser to see something that gets so much right and has been received so well do so poorly. Everyone involved deserved a bigger hit.
As to 3D, I understand why this movie had to be in 3D to get made, and I thought 3D was well-applied in the movie itself, but the experience in general annoys me.
First, I wear glasses, which makes cinema-supplied glasses unbearably annoying. In go the disposable contacts, which adds to the hassle and the expense. Whether it's connected to my eyesight or not, I always have a problem focussing on fast motion in 3D showings, and I often find it too dark. Also, I find any light-spill at all in the theatre tends to feck depth-things up badly in that area.
Second, (and not applicable here), my kids don't like wearing 3D glasses (not an issue with Dredd). My son regularly takes his glasses off in 3D showing and peers at the dark fuzziness. Having shelled out more, this irritates me considerable.
Third, even where there is a 2D option offered, I usually feel I'm missing out on the intended experience if I plump for that one (although if the kids are with me I tend to take that hit). I have enjoyed some 3D movies, including Dredd, Tintin and Cave of Forgotten Dreams, but generally the whole process wears me down.
None of this is Dredd's fault, and it didn't stop me seeing it of loving it, but I can see how some people may be put off completely.
Quote from: radiator on 29 September, 2012, 03:00:03 PM
District 9 Opening Weekend: $37m
Dredd Opening Weekend: $6m.
Thanks for the calculations guys. Bloody ell' those figures really put it into perspective! Was the economy a bit more buoyant when District came out?!
Quote from: TordelBack on 29 September, 2012, 03:08:58 PM
None of this is Dredd's fault, and it didn't stop me seeing it of loving it, but I can see how some people may be put off completely.
What's made me particularly angry about 3D is that I think a
lot of the issues with 3D are nothing to do with the format itself. First time I saw Dredd, the 3D was excellent: really, really good. It added a lot to the experience. Saw it again a week later, same cinema, different screen, and experienced a lot of the things people complain about as being their 'problem' with 3D, ie: fuzzy, headache-inducing, not very 3D.
What was clear to me was that the thing hadn't been set up properly. I don't know exactly what's involved in setting up/calibrating a RealD 3D projection system, but this one showing showed visible ghosting that got worse the further 'back' from the plane of the screen an object was supposed to be.
If you're going to charge me a premium for a feature you're selling as adding value to my cinema experience, then fucking well do
not allow some disinterested youth on minimum wage to set up the projection system in a half-arsed way that actually
reduces my enjoyment of the film.
I have to wonder what proportion of people who think that 3D is
intrinsically fuzzy and/or headache causing have actually just been the victim of badly set up projection systems.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: radiator on 29 September, 2012, 02:16:13 PM
QuoteOut of the top ten for Friday.
:o
Staggering.
Absolutely staggering.
I didn't think it would do so badly in my worst nightmares.
How utterly depressing.
Seconded
Unreal I thought this would continue to do steady business at the very least. :(
Saw it last nite in Denmark, peak time, was just me, but they had a marketing guy in the lobby who gave me a metal Dredd badge, a t shirt and soundtrack album and a copy of Hunger Games, yeah i went eh on the last bit too ( apparently the first 5 where supposed to get them ), nice to get free stuff though, Dredd badge is a replica and looks awesome.
Doh, poster not tshirt, can i buy an edit button for a dollar ?
Oooo, nice haul.
[spoiler]Adam Sandler must die.[/spoiler]
Quote from: painbros22 on 29 September, 2012, 04:35:01 PM
Saw it last nite in Denmark, peak time, was just me, but they had a marketing guy in the lobby who gave me a metal Dredd badge, a t shirt and soundtrack album and a copy of Hunger Games, yeah i went eh on the last bit too ( apparently the first 5 where supposed to get them ), nice to get free stuff though, Dredd badge is a replica and looks awesome.
Wish they had that here.
There were thirty in for loopers and when we went in, none yet for Dredd.. I could have switched lines and grabbed some swag.
So what does this all mean for the future of Dredd?
The more I look the more I fear a narrow group of middle aged men mostly in Uk are keeping it alive.
It isn't going anywhere yet, but will it really be around when we all turn our toes up?
Strange how all those Case-Files sold out in the US.
I'd love it if that meant the brand was growing but I fear it is a core of comic fans giving it a look.
I hope it goes mainstream but I don't believe it will.
F%$£ This needs a sequel!!
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Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 September, 2012, 05:35:37 PM
Strange how all those Case-Files sold out in the US.
I'll be bloody delighted if it leads to a new generation of fans in the Us and a sustained success over there though.
Yeah, I know it's been said before, but despite what the box-office situation may mean for future cross-media adaptations, I suspect that its long-term effect will be to strengthen recognition of Dredd as an interesting and relevant character, and not just something people remember as either some long-gone comic they read as a nipper or a so-bad-it's-an-internet-meme of a film.
The film was a masterclass in 'always leave 'em wanting more', and the feeling of being (-shudder-) 'leet' because you got and actually saw Dredd3D and hardly anyone else did may play well with wider online geekdom (see also: The Raid). It's a good film, and faithful to the source material - it has to have some effect on positive perception of the strip.
Rebellion seem to have played this one very carefully, there has been no (obvious) splurging of money on tie-ins or rebranding. A modest bump in returning readers and fresh overseas interest, boosted by shelf-date online availability of the weekly, would be a welcome, and quite plausible, outcome. Circulation is purportedly so small that if even a tiny proportion of those few who actually saw the movie buy some more 2000AD comics it should be good news.
Might be down to timing . With the best product in the world (which Dredd definitely is), if the it doesn't appear at the perfect time it could go tits up. In this case the likes of The Raid, economic issues and the US audiences responses had a major impact. :(
Quote from: dracula1 on 29 September, 2012, 03:14:55 PM
Thanks for the calculations guys. Bloody ell' those figures really put it into perspective! Was the economy a bit more buoyant when District came out?!
Hehheh. Bloody bankers can add killing Dredd 2 to their list of crimes.
Possibly. ;)
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Looper did well. 15 rating helps a lot with sci fi. The 18 rating and 3d bumping the price and limiting the audience during poor economic times feel like they've made it a massive missed opportunity to me.
Since that article is about the US box office, just pointing out Looper and Dredd have the same R rating over here.
Um guys?
Dredd has been estimated to be at number 9 this weekend will make roughly - $2,200,000
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29 (http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29)
Tempted to go again today or tomorrow. Love the film.
Looks bad for any hope of a sequel. But if I win squillions on Euromillions I will bung £50mil at it. 50% of my total win if I get over £100mil.
I'd want Alex, Karl Olivia, etc.
Other than that, I will obviously buy blu-Ray soon as it is out.
Quote from: Cookyman on 29 September, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
Um guys?
Dredd has been estimated to be at number 9 this weekend will make roughly - $2,200,000
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29 (http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29)
That's a weekend
guess.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 September, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Cookyman on 29 September, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
Um guys?
Dredd has been estimated to be at number 9 this weekend will make roughly - $2,200,000
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29 (http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/early_estimate/2012-09-29)
That's a weekend guess.
I'm aware of that. it was posted earlier it's out of the top ten. It's still not great but better than was reported previously on here.
It's still a great film no matter how many people saw it. I think it will make its money back - and probably make a profit - on DVD / Blu ray. We still have a great Dredd movie, with good reviews and all that stuff, which isn't something we'd have predicted a few years ago. Damn shame if we don't get a sequel but at least we have something awesome to watch.
DVD in time for Christmas?
QuoteDVD in time for Christmas?
IIRC someone said that Dredd will only be out on DVD before Christmas 'if it tanks in America'...
Quote from: Cookyman on 29 September, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
I'm aware of that. it was posted earlier its out of the top ten. its still not great but better than was reported previously on here.
No. its estimated to be at number 11 for the weekend on that page.
Limited releases Pitch Perfect and The Master are both expected to make more.
Quote from: Bat King on 29 September, 2012, 06:15:46 PM
Tempted to go again today or tomorrow. Love the film.
Looks bad for any hope of a sequel. But if I win squillions on Euromillions I will bung £50mil at it. 50% of my total win if I get over £100mil.
Well if you believe what Alex Garland and Pete Travis said if they got a sequel at most they would want maybe another $10M above what they got for the first one and maybe not even that. So lets call it $55M, given exhange rates you'd only need about £35M, so you don't need such a huge Euromillions pay out.
You might need to chuck so extra sponds at the marketing though.
I've spent a lot of time working this out ;)
I've also been trying to second guess how much a TV show would cost to produce. I'm guessing $2-$3M per episode. I think Battlestar Galacticas budget was around $1.5M per episode but of course I'd want to make it totally awesomesauce and bollocks to the cost. This after all what Lottery fantasys are about right?
Quote from: radiator on 29 September, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
QuoteDVD in time for Christmas?
IIRC someone said that Dredd will only be out on DVD before Christmas 'if it tanks in America'...
So before Christmas then.
Which is good. The sooner people buy a shitload of DVDs, the sooner Chuck Sixpackman gets his sequel.
Quote from: PsychoGoatee on 29 September, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
Looper did well. 15 rating helps a lot with sci fi. The 18 rating and 3d bumping the price and limiting the audience during poor economic times feel like they've made it a massive missed opportunity to me.
Since that article is about the US box office, just pointing out Looper and Dredd have the same R rating over here.
Ah ok, that's a fair point.
I don't know then, 2d and make Bruce Willis Dredd next time?
I know what everyone I know is getting for Christmas, then.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 September, 2012, 05:35:37 PM
Strange how all those Case-Files sold out in the US.
An oft-quoted fact here that - unless you know how many were in the print run that was sold out - really means nothing at all.
True. Though even in the UK I've noticed some of the early books (Case Files) are trickier to get and there's been some doubling up on others. After all those months struggling to find Origins there ended up being two on the shelf when I got my final one.
I was chatting to a mate the other night who works in the movie biz. He has a lot of access to sales figures etc and said that as far as he can tell, most low budget movies take the vast majority of their money on home formats/streaming/TV deals etc. He said that for a lot of films, getting a cinematic release is more of a publicity thing. He said that Attack the Block - which did nothing at the box office - sold so strongly on DVD, especially in the US, that it's well into profit now.
Probably means little with regard to Dredd which is relatively big budget, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Interesting too that there is so much speculation and analysis of box office, but practically none of ancillary sales data, which is much more important for a lot of films released.
Quote from: GordonR on 29 September, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
An oft-quoted fact here that - unless you know how many were in the print run that was sold out - really means nothing at all.
It was also high on Amazon.com's graphic novel sales ranking charts, which is a good solid figure.
Quote from: GordonR on 29 September, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 September, 2012, 05:35:37 PM
Strange how all those Case-Files sold out in the US.
An oft-quoted fact here that - unless you know how many were in the print run that was sold out - really means nothing at all.
While I'm quite sure, if you so desire you'll pop back with a quick sharp put down, but does the fact its sold out not in fact mean the following. The company (SnS) printed as many as they thought they could reasonably sell. That number has now sold out and so therefore regardless of the specific numbers concerned it does mean the book has matched its maximum expected potential and more likely will exceed that as they will very possibly go to a second print?
I of course speak with absolutely no knowledge of the workings of publishing, so stand ready to be put firmly in my place...
An American who works for me told me he'd seen Dredd today. I didn't get a chance to ask him much other than what did you think? He said something like "they didn't tone the gore down, did they?" I asked him if it was better than the Stallone version, which he said he'd enjoyed as an 80's (yup, he actually thought it was made in the 80's and was shocked when I told him it was '95) cheesy action movie, he said "nah!".
I fired him.
Ha, bad opinions aside, I think anyone who sees Dredd in theaters is one of the good ones.
Actually that's what I said. My supervisor was giving him grief about something and I told her to leave him alone-he's on my good list.
a friend of mine went to see it and had a similar view.
Actually he said the new one felt more like Dredd but the old one looked more like it and the world he expected from the comics.
Overall he just enjoyed the cheese of the old one more but still enjoyed this a lot.
It's a shame, he was a really close friend.
First - I have no love for the Stallone film...but I would have liked something in the middle of that and the new film. I think the tone of the new film could have benefitted from some of the more outlandish or over-the-top elements of the Stallone film...
I agree that a happy medium between the two films would be a perfect 'comic' Dredd, but given the choice between one and t'other, it's Mr Urban all the way thanks.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 29 September, 2012, 10:10:12 PM
I think the tone of the new film could have benefitted from some of the more outlandish or over-the-top elements of the Stallone film...
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 29 September, 2012, 10:34:09 PM
I agree
Have you seen the Stallone version recently?....
They got the tone of this Film right, sometimes good films do not strike a cord with main stream audiences.
One of my favourite films of recent times is Beyond The Black Rainbow which has a very 80's retro feel and definitley does not appeal to the masses. Whereas something like Glee: The 3D concert Movie can make $28 million at the box office.
They made the right choices on Dredd 3D but people are sometimes slow to catch on. To take it back to the '95 film would not have been the right way to go, to me the MC1 we see in the first 15 minute of this film encompasses a lot of what we see in the comics, and is still just a tiny section of the entire city. I'm still holding out hope that we'll see more Dredd in some form from this production team.
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 29 September, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
They got the tone of this Film right, sometimes good films do not strike a cord with main stream audiences.
They made the right choices on Dredd 3D but people are sometimes slow to catch on.
Wait - so because you disagree with me, I'm "slow to catch on"?
Yep.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 29 September, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 29 September, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
They got the tone of this Film right, sometimes good films do not strike a cord with main stream audiences.
They made the right choices on Dredd 3D but people are sometimes slow to catch on.
Wait - so because you disagree with me, I'm "slow to catch on"?
:lol:
I am referring to the mass audience, In the same way Shawshank was ignored when it was released but gained popularity on video.
DVD & Blu-Ray sales may recop money but unlikely to get us a sequel :(
'Twas a round and unvarnished tale; methinks. You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Well sequel or not, as fans we have had 2 Dredd movies and 35 years plus of great comic art and stories. This most recent movie attempt can only extend the life of the 2000ad franchise and give us many more years of quality art and scripts from the Rebellion camp. Who knows we may get to see Button man and Rogue movies next (kicking Hollywoods attempts at hero action movies into touch once again). :D
Yep, i think we need to chalk this one up to experience and start looking forward to Button Man.
There is an entire generation of talent, both behind and in front of the camera, who grew up on 2000AD- it's inevitable that some of these people will push for these properties to make it to the screen. Only yesterday i read an interview with Andrew Lincoln (Rick, in Walking Dead) in which he talks of his love of the prog while growing up. Just as it was inevitable Dr Who would return to tv when the fans got successful enough to start making their own shows, so 2000AD will have its days in the sun as the readers become more advanced in their careers. Bowie's son, f'rinstance, just needs one major hit under his belt and who knows- he may well decide to give Dredd another shot. Or Stront. Or whatever.
If it's important to you that 2000AD strips become movies (and i confess that it's not important to me at all) then i think it's a case of waiting a bit, that's all.
SBT
Very eloquently put SBT and so true.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 29 September, 2012, 11:59:39 PM
Yep, i think we need to chalk this one up to experience...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
:lol: That about sums it up :lol:
Is it just me or do things look less bleak right now? According to this taking every region into account it's sitting at around $20,000,000. That's more than double the lifetime gross of something like Punisher:War Zone.
I'm not really stressing about a sequel, just hoping it makes enough that it shakes off the flop label. Whether it's been profitable or not (and it seems pretty clear it will be in the long run) that take is surely enough to get it out of the turkey club (real box office bombs make way less than that).
I truly don't think the general public is ready for a Dredd movie. This was spot on in most aspects and most fan boys seemed happy with this.
Perhaps doing films close to source material isn't the way to go.
At least we have our Dredd movie which pisses all over the 95 shite.
Big thanks again to Alex, Karl and all others that were involved. Especially the designer of the Lawgiver whoever he may be.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 September, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
I truly don't think the general public is ready for a Dredd movie. This was spot on in most aspects and most fan boys seemed happy with this.
Perhaps doing films close to source material isn't the way to go.
At least we have our Dredd movie which pisses all over the 95 shite.
Big thanks again to Alex, Karl and all others that were involved. Especially the designer of the Lawgiver whoever he may be.
V
I myself think it was the way to go, it aint working out at the box office the way this fantastic movie should, but you no what i think it could still makes its money back at the box office once its run
is over worldwide, and i think it will do really well with dvd/blu ray sales,
if the sale of dvd/blu rays are really good especially stateside a sequel could happen,
dredd is a sure fire cult classic this movie is going to be rememberd for a long time,
i think like a fight club or shawshank redemption which both flopped at the box office
but had fantastic video/dvd sales it aint over for dredd yet people :thumbsup:
You never know the kids may pester thier mum and dad ,I want he DREDD movie for christmas./mum &dad have not seen the movie :o :-X ;)
Is it too late to market Dredd to Tea Party rallies?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 29 September, 2012, 03:19:24 PMI have to wonder what proportion of people who think that 3D is intrinsically fuzzy and/or headache causing have actually just been the victim of badly set up projection systems.
A lot, I supsect, as I've said on here before. I see about 4-6 films a month at the cinema so I've seen a LOT of 3D. The best approach seems to be find a cinema that consistent does it well and stick to it.
I always go to Cineworld in Edinburgh and it's consistently good, though not perfect. There's the occasional showing where you can see a bit of 'ghosting' but never the extreme blurriness/fuzziness I've heard others complaint about.
Vue in Edinburgh Omni Centre is the best non-IMAX 3D I've seen, the Glasgow Cineworld varies from screen to screen but is never particularly decent.
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 30 September, 2012, 12:32:05 PM
Vue in Edinburgh Omni Centre is the best non-IMAX 3D I've seen, the Glasgow Cineworld varies from screen to screen but is never particularly decent.
Yeah I think Cineworlds vary from location to location. As I said, Edinburgh is good but I went to one in Aberdeen on one occasion and the standard was far lower with more ghosting and motion blur.
Buddy in Bogota Columbia went to see it on release on Wednesday loved it but the numbers in the cinema were poor.
I saw it on a Wednesday night at 10pm so there wasn't many, maybe 20 people. There's posters for it everywhere here, though, I think it might do quite well.
Quote from: hazy efc on 30 September, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 September, 2012, 09:34:16 AM
I truly don't think the general public is ready for a Dredd movie. This was spot on in most aspects and most fan boys seemed happy with this.
Perhaps doing films close to source material isn't the way to go.
At least we have our Dredd movie which pisses all over the 95 shite.
Big thanks again to Alex, Karl and all others that were involved. Especially the designer of the Lawgiver whoever he may be.
V
I myself think it was the way to go, it aint working out at the box office the way this fantastic movie should, but you no what i think it could still makes its money back at the box office once its run
is over worldwide, and i think it will do really well with dvd/blu ray sales,
if the sale of dvd/blu rays are really good especially stateside a sequel could happen,
dredd is a sure fire cult classic this movie is going to be rememberd for a long time,
i think like a fight club or shawshank redemption which both flopped at the box office
but had fantastic video/dvd sales it aint over for dredd yet people :thumbsup:
The problem is that studios only take into account US box office takings when deciding on sequels. Clearly this, to my mind, is the wrong approach as a film that bombs over there may do extremely well in other territories and if blu/dvd sales were also taken into account (which I don't believe they are) then a 'bomb' could in fact do very well. Now, while I'm sure there are some very good accounting reasons why it doesn't work like this, it just make any sense to me...
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 30 September, 2012, 08:31:16 AM
Is it just me or do things look less bleak right now? According to this taking every region into account it's sitting at around $20,000,000. That's more than double the lifetime gross of something like Punisher:War Zone.
I'm not really stressing about a sequel, just hoping it makes enough that it shakes off the flop label. Whether it's been profitable or not (and it seems pretty clear it will be in the long run) that take is surely enough to get it out of the turkey club (real box office bombs make way less than that).
I'm just tankful that it was well received, critically speaking. I'd rather that than it being a success financially while being a horrible Dredd film. Though I'm gutted for those involved in making it. I like to think critical acclaim is a far better sleeping pill than is lying on a bed of money.
Oh and congrats to Hazy on his last post. What a joy to read!
At least it is a critical success and fans and most people who see it love it. That means it'll never be seen as a flop or be a real one as it will sell well over time in other formats
It's not like a turkey that is utter crap and nobody ever touches it at th cinema or home. This is a good film, it just needs time and the right format.
A positive we can take from this is that Hollywood won't grab this for a sequel and do another 95.
V
And probably not 3d.
I read an article on eurogamer interviewing Sony who are moving away from it in gaming realising it hasn't taken off as they'd hoped.
The thing with 3D, in my opinion, is that it is nowt but a gimmick, really. Though it worked really well in Dredd, and looked totally fantastic in the Hobbit trailer on show beforehand. But, still a gimmick at the end of the day.
Bolton Cineworld still showing Dredd, a big IMAX ,anyone seen it there and what was it like compared to other cinemas?I could be tempted...
3D as novelty feature is perfect for Dredd as the main focus of the film is image and the enjoyment of pure, unadulterated image. Dredd looked truly fantastic with these enhancements because the fim is about spectacle. Anna Karenin would be a film where the 3D enhancements would be rendered superfluous because of a ponderous storyline. You pays your money and you takes your choice.I'm gonna see Dredd in 2d as well.
I have several mates who didn't go to see it because it was only in 3D. The nearest place to Bristol showing it in 2D was Cardiff, which isn't all that far away, only 45 mins or so, but it's still and extra expense in petrol and bridge tolls and they were all happy to wait for the blu-ray.
It sounds like the money junkies and fad fetishists may have kicked themselves in the nuts, and I can't say they have very much of my sympathy. That goes to the actual craftsmen who made the film.
Craftspersons!
Quote from: Stan on 30 September, 2012, 05:41:21 PM
It sounds like the money junkies and fad fetishists may have kicked themselves in the nuts, and I can't say they have very much of my sympathy. That goes to the actual craftsmen who made the film.
Dredd looks and works better in 3D for this particular film (except of course where its not being shown properly). The central problem seems to be not enough 2D prints have been put out , either here or in the US to give everyone a choice.
On the 3D thing, as noted here more than once, it's worth noting two things: first, this film only got funding because of the 3D component—that it may have coincided with a possible 3D burst bubble is unfortunate, but there you go; secondly, 3D = more money. That almost certainly helped the #1 UK status.
As for local cinemas, it's all gone a bit random. The film was unceremoniously yanked from both local Vues (Camberley, Basingstoke), despite listings stating one showing only a few days ago, but it's getting two showings per day in Reading and Staines. Mulling over a trip to the local Showcase this evening.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 23 September, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
Sorry for the other topic but:
2.2 million on Friday and due to be pulled in theatres in a few days time according to someone on the Comics and Graphic Novels forum on GameFAQs which are always very well informed about such things.
According to Box Office Mojo Dredd has actually OPENED in an extra 51 cinema theatres in the US -a week after this was stupidly posted.Sorry BSC but it was very poor form.
Currently Dredd is close to 11mill in the US and climbing, just want to see that tally continue to go up...
PS I am going to Bolton Cineworld ;)
An extra 51 cinemas and 11 million doesn't sound like a lot but it's certainly going in the right direction. It's looking like this film could build slowly on word-of-mouth, if only they keep it running long enough...
Really hope so. If its low in the top ten it'll be difficult to keep it on screens but if it grows with word of oath it could climb on hold its place for a few weeks. Really hope so.
Again it's in no way a flop. Critical success and a slow burner.
Word of mouth that is.
Just been to my 5th viewing. Vue, Kirkstall Road, Leeds. Final week, last showing here is Thursday. 18 people, all looked happy coming out. Only one show a night from tomorrow.
Still in Vue, The Light in Leeds city centre with three showings a night. Not checked elsewhere as those are thee Ray journeys.
Thinking of seeing it one more time & encouraging as many asI can to go with... Maybe last screening at one of thee Vues.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 30 September, 2012, 06:09:11 PM
PS I am going to Bolton Cineworld ;)
I went there for my 3rd viewing - the quality was better, but I wouldn't say it was three quid better.
According to Box Office Mojo's estimate, Dredd's take for this weekend is 63.7% down on last weekend's. That's a sizeable drop, considering that word of mouth is meant to be good.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 30 September, 2012, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: Stan on 30 September, 2012, 05:41:21 PM
It sounds like the money junkies and fad fetishists may have kicked themselves in the nuts, and I can't say they have very much of my sympathy. That goes to the actual craftsmen who made the film.
Dredd looks and works better in 3D for this particular film (except of course where its not being shown properly). The central problem seems to be not enough 2D prints have been put out , either here or in the US to give everyone a choice.
Yeah, that's kinda what I meant. Someone made the decision to go all or nothing with the 3D and I'm not even convinced it was the most financially savvy option. Assuming that was the entire reasoning behind it (and I think I'm on safe ground in assuming so!).
Main cinema in Denmark is full tonite, WOM in Denmark is massive. When i saw it Friday totally empty, its been packed out all day today, just thought i would throw that in.
Quote from: MattJW on 30 September, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
According to Box Office Mojo's estimate, Dredd's take for this weekend is 63.7% down on last weekend's. That's a sizeable drop, considering that word of mouth is meant to be good.
It's gone up from the previous estimate for this weekend though.
I agree a bit that the 3D might have hurt it commercially. Personally it didn't bother me, I thought it made good use of it and it was one of the very,very few movies where 3D enhanced the experience. The problem is though that while I'd imagine it's easy to get people shelling out for 3D films if they're taking kids (hence all the animated kids movies doing big bucks in 3D) most grown ups just don't like it.
It's been said thought that the movie getting funded and getting the budget it needed was dependent on it being 3D, but that would be a decision made probably a couple of years back, and since then the 3D bubble seems to have really burst and it's now seen as a bit of a fad and a rip-off. So it's a shame if the 3D thing has scuppered it when without the 3D it would never have existed in the first place.
Doesn't mean there can't be more 2D screenings though.
Shame they couldn't see the bubble had burst, look at the John Carter flop, and respond by putting out a lot more 2d prints,
Ah we'll, it's done now. At least we have a 2d option for buying at home.
I doubt 3D had much to do with John Carter.
Look at the Avengers, that was shown in 3D as well and was a massive hit.
I do think banking on 3D hurt it in the UK, but I don't think it was as much of a major factor in underperforming in the US.
Seeing that Looper was made for $30million I do wish that 3D hadn't been a criteria for getting Dredd made.
It was money that could have been spent elsewhere to better effect, shame they didn't have that choice.
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
Main cinema in Denmark is full tonite, WOM in Denmark is massive. When i saw it Friday totally empty, its been packed out all day today, just thought i would throw that in.
Glad to hear it!Reading you watched it on your own last time was just depressing.
Well, you folks who'd prefer the2D Dredd coulda just kept one eye shut during the screening. Seriously though, I loved every moment of DREDD3D. Plenty of 2D screenings in my district,now; I'll go along to a couple to see what the differance is...enjoyment wise.
Yeah when you can't see it thought its nicer just to have an old 2d print.
I'm pleased I got one down here.
Dammit pirates released it :(
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 08:18:30 PM
Dammit pirates released it :(
I think this is a big factor. This sort of action movie is the kind of thing the pirate market eats up. I think the 3D was an attempt to kerb this.
Don't think it effected the BO pops, it popped up yesterday, i only know cause people in my IRC channel are cheapskates.
Research.
Ah the Pete Townsend approach :)
"Just who the hell is Judge Dreck? I never heard of him!"
"Dreck's a successful comic book character in England. They had the idea that if they introduced him in the U.S.A. he'd be popular!"
"Almost as popluar as that other splendid British idea. "Taxation without representation"!"
'MAD' magazine 1995, representing American sentiment then and now...apparently.
Hate MAD magazine, Spy vs Spy is ok, the rest is drivel and about as funny as as finding out your 15 year old son just ran up a 100 quid phone bill tying to win the iphone he already has.
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
Hate MAD magazine, Spy vs Spy is ok, the rest is drivel and about as funny as as finding out your 15 year old son just ran up a 100 quid phone bill tying to win the iphone he already has.
I would disagree when it comes to the old Don Martin strips, and Sergio Aragones is one of the best living cartoonists, imo. But as far as the rest of the magazine, it's okay.
American satire does nothing for me, its too damn obvious. Judge Dreck, har har. MAD only worked in cartoons that said nothing, the whacky stuff, that worked, but the satire was like a David Letterman monlogue.
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
American satire does nothing for me, its too damn obvious. Judge Dreck, har har. MAD only worked in cartoons that said nothing, the whacky stuff, that worked, but the satire was like a David Letterman monlogue.
Did you have the Pyton magazine in Denmark in the 90s? They published some truly great parodies, for example "Teenage mutant ninja burgers".
I read it when I was young and stupid, and I still can't shit symmetrical because how hard I laughed.
Sheesh.
Don Martin and Sergio Aragones are cartoonists, not satirists.
Read some Groo. It's brilliant. Plus, Sergio Aragones is Spanish, so it won't be an American making you laugh.
Was this film even advertised in the US? I haven't even seen any telly adverts for it over here in the UK.
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
American satire does nothing for me, its too damn obvious.
the Larry Sanders show?
Not even Larry Sanders no. Spoiled to death with things like The Frost Report, Not The Nine O Clock News, Brasseye. Only The Daily Show works for me, that is a funny show, but stuff live Saturday Night Live leaves me cold. Not an anti american thing, i just don't like american satire that much.
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
Spoiled to death with things like The Frost Report, Not The Nine O Clock News, Brasseye. Only The Daily Show works for me
They're all political shows though.
I think they contain political content but are not political, Not The Nine O Clock News was random stuff not just politics. Brasseye was a satire of the media. The Thick O It now that's political in my eye's.
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
it's a bloody shame.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/09/25/will-dredd-3d-finally-kill-the-comic-con-myth/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They have a point. Comic Con tells us nothing about how ordinary folk will take to things. Promote it poorly at your peril.
That myth has been debunked for a while now. After both
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
it's a bloody shame.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/09/25/will-dredd-3d-finally-kill-the-comic-con-myth/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They have a point. Comic Con tells us nothing about how ordinary folk will take to things. Promote it poorly at your peril.
That myth has been debunked for a while now. After both Watchmen and Scott Pilgrim bombed. In fact, I don't think anything that has got rave reviews at Comic-Con has done well in wide release.
District 9 first screened at ComicCon.
But if 2 out of the 3 Comic-con darlings bombed, you would question it...
Not sure how Suckerpunch went down there...
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
Not even Larry Sanders no. Spoiled to death with things like The Frost Report, Not The Nine O Clock News, Brasseye. Only The Daily Show works for me, that is a funny show, but stuff live Saturday Night Live leaves me cold. Not an anti american thing, i just don't like american satire that much.
I always thought G.W. Dubya Bush was a hilarious comedian.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 30 September, 2012, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: Something Fishy on 29 September, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
it's a bloody shame.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/09/25/will-dredd-3d-finally-kill-the-comic-con-myth/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
They have a point. Comic Con tells us nothing about how ordinary folk will take to things. Promote it poorly at your peril.
Can it really be said its 'tanked' already?10 mill so far and still running...and it is R rated.Still time yet.
That myth has been debunked for a while now. After both Watchmen and Scott Pilgrim bombed. In fact, I don't think anything that has got rave reviews at Comic-Con has done well in wide release.
So we finally went before the film vanished locally—smallish screen in our local Showcase, with precisely six other people in the 7:30 screening. Mrs G and I both slightly woozy afterwards, but, fortunately, neither one of us is sick (although she's worse for wear than I am).
Overall, Mrs G liked the film at hated the 3D. She thought the film would have been better without it, but other than that, she thought this was interesting, she liked Anderson a lot, and she much preferred it to the last Batman film (which, to be fair, she disliked in a fairly big way). Me, I thought I was going to end up not liking it a huge deal—there was an odd 'dip' maybe a third of the way in; but after that, it really just built to the end, and I thought it was a very good film. I also liked the city—in many ways, this was precisely how I imagined MC-1 to be, and it still had some nice dark humour buried in there (the food court announcements in particular).
Also, did anyone spot the map on the schoolroom wall? Looks like they redrew in big-o-form the one from Anderson: Shamballa—I definitely spotted Ciudad Barranquilla on there!
#Indigo -Been a real revelation that so many seem to have a real physical problem with 3D.Glad you enjoyed the film anyway.
Went to see it again this morning. It got moved to the smallest screen. I was the only person there so I just took it as my own private screening. It was supposed to start at 10.15. By 10.25, nothing was happening so I had to go ask them to start the movie. Sound was good but smaller screen meant some of the sound channels weren't there. No cleaning droid in the cafeteria, no bike commands to the crowd. Pretty sure it'll be gone next week. Frustrating to see Looper take $21 mil. No doubt it's a good movie but still smarts a bit seeing Dredd get ignored.
Just finished looking at Boxoficemojo and Dredd finally made it to the 10 million mark.
:'(
As always, it's all on Denmark.
It looks like the 9pm showing this weds will be the last chance to see it in Cineworld Cardiff. :'(
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 01 October, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
It looks like the 9pm showing this weds will be the last chance to see it in Cineworld Cardiff. :'(
Lets make it go out in style then.
Quote from: Borntohula on 30 September, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
Quote from: painbros22 on 30 September, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
American satire does nothing for me, its too damn obvious. Judge Dreck, har har. MAD only worked in cartoons that said nothing, the whacky stuff, that worked, but the satire was like a David Letterman monlogue.
I actually have the complete collection of Pyton, from first to last.
If anything, they are better to today, as piece of history and how they caught the zeitgeist of the time.
Did you have the Pyton magazine in Denmark in the 90s? They published some truly great parodies, for example "Teenage mutant ninja burgers".
I read it when I was young and stupid, and I still can't shit symmetrical because how hard I laughed.
Out of the top ten, but 11th in US and Canada for weekend of Sep 28, 2012 -Sep 30, 2012
http://movies.nytimes.com/movies/boxoffice/us/weekend.html
Hmm took $2.28 million in the US last week, down 63.7% on the previous week. :( Another example of quality being no guarantor of success. http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
Out of curiousity and apologises if it has already appeared on this thread previously. What did The Raid end up grossing in the end?
$4m worldwide - but that's good on a budget of $1m. It'll make a packet on DVD too.
Quote from: radiator on 01 October, 2012, 01:56:58 PM
$4m worldwide - but that's good on a budget of $1m. It'll make a packet on DVD too.
I think that figure's North American box office only - imdb seems to think so. It would have made more worldwide (and probably make its costs back and gone into profit in the Far East alone.)
That 1:4 ratio on production cost to box office is the equivalent of Dredd doing about $200 million on US cinema release...
Well, it's currently sitting on $20.9 million.
Hopefully it'll keep pulling in money. And hopefully it'll make a decent impact on DVD and Blu-ray.
I really, really, REALLY want the sequels to this movie.
The Raid is a financial success then. I can't believe it was made for a mill'!!8-/
Has Dredd opened in all territories now? Or is it yet to open in a few more places?
I feel like they should have released the first five minutes of the movie online - up until the "Do you need backup?" "No".
Much more attention-grabbing and interesting than the clips they did release, and pitches the movie very succinctly.
I also would have made much more of Dredd's connections to District 9 and 28 Days Later in the marketing materials.
I think the theatrical poster was solid, but I would have done another one featuring the ensemble cast or at least Anderson - maybe character-specific one-sheets for each of the four leads.
Good point, Radiator. I was actually thinking something similar the other day. Just because the film's out I don't see why releasing more footage would have been a problem. As long as it wasn't too spoilery. I mean what's to lose?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 October, 2012, 04:23:51 PM
Has Dredd opened in all territories now? Or is it yet to open in a few more places?
I know I keep saying this but I'm still waiting for it to open in my part of Europe. All websites say it's coming soon or this year but never mention when exactly. I'm not sure how much popularity Dredd has here, really. Most forums I've read are mired in nostalgia for Stallone and offended anyone would slight what they see as a trash cinema classic with this new "remake".
I hope it does open soon.
IMDb says it's still opening into November. I'm still not sure about the Serbian release but I'm sure they were down for the 7th Sep before it was removed. A friend over there isn't sure either.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/releaseinfo
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 October, 2012, 04:23:51 PM
Has Dredd opened in all territories now? Or is it yet to open in a few more places?
It opens in New Zealand and Australia in the next few weeks then Germany in November. There are a good few other countries in there too. I believe it gets a release in Japan next year but probably won't get a release in China because of its violence and political overtones.
Quote from: dracula1 on 01 October, 2012, 01:52:11 PMWhat did The Raid end up grossing in the end?
It made nearly $10 million worldwide.
Quote from: orinAGN on 01 October, 2012, 04:02:01 PM
Well, it's currently sitting on $20.9 million.
Is that worldwide takings to date? Im guessing that it is.
Thanks for the info
Joe, nice that theres still a good few places left, to hopefully add to the coffers, but its still got a way to go yet, hasnt it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 October, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
...I believe it gets a release in Japan next year but probably won't get a release in China because of its violence and political overtones.
Would it have been more acceptable if Dredd had driven a tank or steamroller over the homeless guy?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 01 October, 2012, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: orinAGN on 01 October, 2012, 04:02:01 PM
Well, it's currently sitting on $20.9 million.
Is that worldwide takings to date? Im guessing that it is.
Yeah. Worldwide gross thus far.
I'm hoping that Dredd manages to keep pulling in money. At least enough so that fans can see a sequel.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
To rub it in further, a "Glee"-esque teen musical called Pitch Perfect opened this weekend on only 336 screens and still managed to open in the same spot Dredd did last weekend with almost as much money ($6.3 million to $4.9 million). Maybe if Judge Dredd and his young female sidekick had lip synched Top 40 pop songs in between shooting bad guys it might have caught on.
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/60235/lots-moviegoers-check-hotel-transylvania
I hope everyone who constantly complains about Hollywood's generically crappy, conveyor belt, watered down output went to see Dredd. I'm guessing not though.
Im guessing that it's because the public at large thought DREDD 3D to be a generic, crappy example of Hollywood's quest to remake everything that it hasnt taken off as well as it might. The publicity didnt exactly go out of its way to scream INDEPENDENT! NOT HOLLYWOOD! NOT REMAKE! did it? Though im not really sure what else it could have done, to be honest, i might have put a picture of one of the female cast on the poster and mentioned 28 Days Later, The Beach and District 9.
SBT
It might not be the only reason for the film underperforming so far but I've got 3 friends in the US (2 are Dredd fans) and they said they haven't seen any promotion for this film whatsoever out there.
The only promotion I've seen over here is on certain websites and on the back of a sci fi mag or two.
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Well, it's currently sitting on $20.9 million.
Is that worldwide takings to date? Im guessing that it is.
Yeah. Worldwide gross thus far.
I'm hoping that Dredd manages to keep pulling in money. At least enough so that fans can see a sequel.
it cost 40 million.. so probably needs to gross over 70 to make some money? I really hope the home release goes down a storm for them.
Yeah, it's pretty much echoes my feelings towards the masses. It is a film that has got oodles of mass appeal.The film is flawless in my opinion, it really delivers the goods, ther isn't a single fault with the film. That I can see. It's just cos it's Dredd. That, and the fact that public tastes in entertainment is moving away from film and into something more interactive via the web. Lots of people feel left out of the artistic process when watching any film, let alone something as awesome as Dredd is. People are becoming more interested in making films about the fluff in their belly buttons and uploading on to the web to discuss with their mates than to trek afew miles to the cinema ma. Also their attention spans are becoming shorter when it comes to entertainment.
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where a film as good as Dredd makes the same amount of money as film as bad as Drive Angry.
20.9$ million dollars so far is poor if this includes 10$ million for north america and if the uk is around £5 million thats about 7$ million so only $3 million dollars for the rest of the world sorry time to admit its bombed badly even the 1995 film took $113 million and thats not including inflation people obviously prefer crap to class :(
The problem with DREDD is that it doesn't have schmaltz!
Schmaltz sells.
Quote from: radiator on 01 October, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where a film as good as Dredd makes the same amount of money as film as bad as Drive Angry.
Dredd will make more than 10mill which was the total US gross for Drive Angry, it will probably finish with double that.
Quote from: radiator on 01 October, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where a film as good as Dredd makes the same amount of money as film as bad as Drive Angry.
I feel your pain. The general public concerns me daily. They're so stupid.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 01 October, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
The problem with DREDD is that it doesn't have schmaltz!
Schmaltz sells.
Ah, A humorous sidekick would-er, forget it. :-[
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Quote from: radiator on 01 October, 2012, 06:53:00 PM
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where a film as good as Dredd makes the same amount of money as film as bad as Drive Angry.
I feel your pain. The general public concerns me daily. They're so stupid.
The late great Sid Vicious, when asked what he thought of the man in the street, replied "Ive met the man in the street. He's a cunt".
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I'm not sure I want to live in a world where a film as good as Dredd makes the same amount of money as film as bad as Drive Angry.
Dredd will make more than 10mill which was the total US gross for Drive Angry, it will probably finish with double that.
No it won't. Itll probably end up with $11m total tops.
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
It's not been the big hit we all hoped it would be. It is difficult for us to contemplate how Resident Evil: Whatever can make more money than a film like DREDD but that is the reality.
Perhaps there is something fundamentally unlikable to the general public about the whole Judge Dredd set up. Fascistic Cops executing people,Ugly clinics,brutal individualism, everyone trying to cheat,steal or murder one another, urban desolation and decay. There is no hope in Judge Dredd. We fucked it up and this is the result.
I remember Judge Dredd strip appeared in the METRO a free paper given out to London and other major cities commuters. But it was dropped for Nemi, a comic strip about a goth teenager. There is something in Dredd that just doesn't seem to click with the average punter.
Maybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
I think the time has come. My wife is now watching x flipping factor. I have lost all faith in humanity. Time to get rid of humans.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
It's not been the big hit we all hoped it would be. It is difficult for us to contemplate how Resident Evil: Whatever can make more money than a film like DREDD but that is the reality.
Perhaps there is something fundamentally unlikable to the general public about the whole Judge Dredd set up. Fascistic Cops executing people,Ugly clinics,brutal individualism, everyone trying to cheat,steal or murder one another, urban desolation and decay. There is no hope in Judge Dredd. We fucked it up and this is the result.
I remember Judge Dredd strip appeared in the METRO a free paper given out to London and other major cities commuters. But it was dropped for Nemi, a comic strip about a goth teenager. There is something in Dredd that just doesn't seem to click with the average punter.
Maybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
That's my feeling. It's from and of its time as are we. We might just be it pretty much. Still, enjoy what we got.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PMMaybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
I know we're disappointed the movie didn't rock the box office, but I don't think we need to be worrying that much about how mainstream the property is. Dredd is successful, it's been running for over 30 years, it's a success. It's in a much safer place than many other comics.
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Ah, A humorous sidekick would-er, forget it.
I knew you'd say that.
Cheers!
Jim
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 01 October, 2012, 07:37:04 PM
Dredd will make more than 10mill which was the total US gross for Drive Angry, it will probably finish with double that.
Dredd almost certainly won't make $20 million at the US box office, not now that the number of screens it's showing on will start to diminish rapidly. (Box Office Mojo had it still showing at 2,500 screens, but pulling in an average of less than $900 a theatre, and that isn't good - by comparison, Looper is making $7000 a theatre, without 3D prices.)
Drive Angry cost slightly more than Dredd, and made $28 million worldwide (they really liked it in Germany, apparently). I'm really not sure Dredd will do much better than that.
As arguments go, "At least Movie A isn't nearly as big a flop as Movie B" isn't the strongest argument for the merits of Movie A.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
I remember Judge Dredd strip appeared in the METRO a free paper given out to London and other major cities commuters. But it was dropped for Nemi, a comic strip about a goth teenager.
As far as I know, the Dredd strip in the Metro was only scheduled to appear for 6 months right from the beginning. I wish it would come back though. I fucking hate Nemi. Stupid, Tori Amos liking goth twat.
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Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
Ah, A humorous sidekick would-er, forget it.
I knew you'd say that.
Cheers!
Jim
Hee. :) That Rob Schneider might make a perfect sidekick that could only enhance the schmaltz. :o
But I'd put Dredd as a classic like Blade Runner or Mad Max, I guess it's too early to tell. Still can't help feeling riled somehow. I suppose I really am out of touch.
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Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
I think the time has come. My wife is now watching x flipping factor. I have lost all faith in humanity. Time to get rid of humans.
I'll start my side, you can come up from the South, Radiator can come West from London. We need some Northeners and Scots to work their way down and we'll all meet in the middle, culling as we go.
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Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
I think the time has come. My wife is now watching x flipping factor. I have lost all faith in humanity. Time to get rid of humans.
I'll start my side, you can come up from the South, Radiator can come West from London. We need some Northeners and Scots to work their way down and we'll all meet in the middle, culling as we go.
Like four Judges of merciless destruction. ;)
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Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
I think the time has come. My wife is now watching x flipping factor. I have lost all faith in humanity. Time to get rid of humans.
Think that's bad? Have a look at MTV's The valleys..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 01 October, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
Think that's bad? Have a look at MTV's The valleys..
Truly frightening. :o
I wonder if we can some how cunningly make it an electoral issue in the States? Would be a handy bit of publicity.
Sadly though I think the 'era' that Dredd is set in his politics would pretty much make him a Repbulican, and world can do without those fuck nuggets getting into power.
Maybe I'll just have write a strongly worder letter to my MP.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PMMaybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
You could be right. I would describe myself as an extremophile. I like extreme music, extreme literature, extreme movies. Dredd is an extreme character. Now that I come to think about it, I don't know why I would expect Dredd to be hugely popular in any format. I'm a fan of extreme metal but I've never expected bands like Slayer, Kreator etc. to suddenly become the next pop sensation - most people can't hear past the wall of noise. Now that I come to think about it, when I read some of the negative Dredd reviews out there I see a similar phenomenon - many of these reviewers are unable to see past the violence, as if it's presence is obscuring their ability to see anything beyond it, so they think it's all there is.
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Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PMMaybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
You could be right. I would describe myself as an extremophile. I like extreme music, extreme literature, extreme movies, even extreme food (as in very hot curry etc.). Dredd is an extreme character. Now that I come to think about it, I don't know why I would expect Dredd to be hugely popular in any format. I'm a fan of extreme metal but I've never expected bands like Slayer, Kreator etc. to suddenly become the next pop sensation - most people can't hear past the wall of noise. Now that I come to think about it, when I read some of the negative Dredd reviews out there I see a similar phenomenon - many of these reviewers are unable to see past the violence, as if it's presence is obscuring their ability to see anything beyond it, so they think it's all there is.
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Quote from: Zarjazzer on 01 October, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Oh why did i look at IMDb to see how Battleship did only to find it apparently MADE money? WTF? :o And Dredd ignored? I 'll have to destroy humankind after all. You have failed.
I think the time has come. My wife is now watching x flipping factor. I have lost all faith in humanity. Time to get rid of humans.
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I'll start my side, you can come up from the South, Radiator can come West from London. We need some Northeners and Scots to work their way down and we'll all meet in the middle, culling as we go.
Like four Judges of merciless destruction. ;)
You won't need a plan for wholesale extermination.... Just watch 'em breed and breed their dumb asses into the seas.
Oops, was trying to modify last post but ended up quoting myself instead... no Modify button. Oh well.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
It's not been the big hit we all hoped it would be. It is difficult for us to contemplate how Resident Evil: Whatever can make more money than a film like DREDD but that is the reality.
Perhaps there is something fundamentally unlikable to the general public about the whole Judge Dredd set up. Fascistic Cops executing people,Ugly clinics,brutal individualism, everyone trying to cheat,steal or murder one another, urban desolation and decay. There is no hope in Judge Dredd. We fucked it up and this is the result.
I remember Judge Dredd strip appeared in the METRO a free paper given out to London and other major cities commuters. But it was dropped for Nemi, a comic strip about a goth teenager. There is something in Dredd that just doesn't seem to click with the average punter.
Maybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
In fairness, the Dredd strip was corny pish and Nemi is rather charming
Quote from: radiator on 01 October, 2012, 08:10:21 PM
No it won't. Itll probably end up with $11m total tops.
It all ready has $11 million, it'll inch a bit further.
Worldwide Gross: $23,743,964
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/dredd-2012
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
Perhaps there is something fundamentally unlikable to the general public about the whole Judge Dredd set up. Fascistic Cops executing people,Ugly clinics,brutal individualism, everyone trying to cheat,steal or murder one another, urban desolation and decay. There is no hope in Judge Dredd. We fucked it up and this is the result.
I've yet to find any general punter review/comment that truly reflects this as a concern. Most of them just accept the premise and enjoy it for what it is. Dredd is still a character to root for in the film and Ma Ma and the corrupt Judges serve as adequate demoralised foil while Anderson is still a relatively 'decent skin'. It's only politically minded critics and pundits that raise the
state of our culture alarm but since when did reviews, bad or good or with a moral stance determine the success of a film? The previous 2 weeks at the box-office have proven that.
The film didn't need to make bilions to be a modest earner, it just needed to convince its target audience (18-40 year old men) to actually go see it because when they did bother, the vast majority of them liked it. There was a failure to communicate what the film is and this is reflected in worldwide box-office and not just the US box-office.
On a side note: I saw the film again tonight- a 18:40 screening at Cineworld, Dublin. The 150 seat cinema was almost full.
Bit by bit, it's finding a moderately sized audience of very enthusiastic people. This will grow further in months and years to come.
Looking at Box Office Mojo, most of the non-US figures seem to refer to only a few days' earnings so far.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=dredd.htm
This film has cult success written all over it. I havn't really kept up to date with action movies, and with my new sprog I havn't been able to get to the cinema for ages, but this sort of reminds me of when the real nasty, low budget horror movies started to work their way back into the public consciousness and spawned new interest in the genre.
Dredd wasn't about high concept action movies and one-liner big name stars and it wasn't even about the politics of a facist police state. It was a gimy, brutal film about one man getting on with his job on a really bad day.
Yeah, but it is a lot of fun to watch.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 October, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
On a side note: I saw the film again tonight- a 18:40 screening at Cineworld, Dublin. The 150 seat cinema was almost full.
I went to see it there the Friday it came out in America. I dragged 7 mates along (felt nice to do my bit for thrillpower) but the cinema was only half full then, which saddened me. Glad to hear it's picked up a bit!
This is it in SA..
1 N Hotel Transylvania Ster Kinekor $314,020 - 75 - $4,187 $314,020 1
2 1 The Bourne Legacy UIP $140,913 -42.6% 52 -31 $2,710 $517,480 2
3 3 Tyler Perry's Madea's Witness Protection Ster Kinekor $75,585 -14.6% 46 -1 $1,643 $698,286 5
4 2 Step Up Revolution Nu Metro $67,697 -43.2% 42 -19 $1,612 $2,237,332 7
5 N Dredd UIP $67,610 - 47 - $1,439 $67,610 1
I've got a sneaky feeling that because it's the arse end of the world the marketing may have failed somewhat there..
$67,610? So I guess SA's potential market's not massive? A pity it didn't do a little better, purely given where the film was made.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 October, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
It's not been the big hit we all hoped it would be. It is difficult for us to contemplate how Resident Evil: Whatever can make more money than a film like DREDD but that is the reality.
Perhaps there is something fundamentally unlikable to the general public about the whole Judge Dredd set up. Fascistic Cops executing people,Ugly clinics,brutal individualism, everyone trying to cheat,steal or murder one another, urban desolation and decay. There is no hope in Judge Dredd. We fucked it up and this is the result.
I remember Judge Dredd strip appeared in the METRO a free paper given out to London and other major cities commuters. But it was dropped for Nemi, a comic strip about a goth teenager. There is something in Dredd that just doesn't seem to click with the average punter.
Maybe that's it. Such an extreme character could only ever have a small[ish] following. :(
From what I can glean from IMDB and rotten tomatoes nearly eveyone who has seen the movie liked it. I think the problem is that most people don't know what Dredd is which is could be down to the marketing.
Even in the UK, I'm having people telling me they didn't want to go and see a new terrible Stallone movie, or a remake of a terrible Stallone movie. That said, these people can't have been paying much attention to 1) the lack of Stallone in the posters, 2) the lack of Stallone in the trailers, and 3) the lack of Stallone in the reviews that only mention Stallone in the sense that he's not in the new movie.
QuoteI think the problem is that most people don't know what Dredd is which is could be down to the marketing.
Yeah, the failure of Dredd is imo more down to a perfect shitstorm of bad timing/poor marketing/overall box office slump/unfortunate Raid comparisons/3D bubble bursting/lack of big name stars.
People love this movie, and the word of mouth on it is phenomenal - having said that, it's probably only ever going to be relatively niche in appeal compared to Batman or whatever, but it could have,
should have done a lot better.
The problem wasn't with the film, it was with the selling of the film and factors outside of anyone's control.
I think that what we've learned from all this is that, apart from us, everyone is a fucking idiot.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 October, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
$67,610? So I guess SA's potential market's not massive? A pity it didn't do a little better, purely given where the film was made.
I think it'll be more to do with the currency conversion and the local cost of going to the cinema in SA. Look at the number one, it's only $300K odd.
Having been to the movies in South Africa, I can safely say the majority of the cinema going public are fuckwits..
I've seen people walk out of Wall-E..
Quote from: judge devs on 02 October, 2012, 12:09:31 PMI think it'll be more to do with the currency conversion and the local cost of going to the cinema in SA. Look at the number one, it's only $300K odd.
Sure, but that still defines the potential market. Clearly, for whatever reasons, South Africa's another country that could add a little to any film's kitty, but not a huge amount. I suspect the same might be true for Australia (although to a lesser degree) when it comes to Dredd.
I just noticed my local have pulled it after tomorrow. They didn't even give it a week.
I need to try and get a friend to come in so i can see it before it's gone.
I think many people that see this on dvd or bluray will regret not seeing t on three big screen. They might go see a sequel due to said regret. That said, they probably cost us or sequel.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 02 October, 2012, 12:01:01 PM
I think that what we've learned from all this is that, apart from us, everyone is a fucking idiot.
In response to Indigo's post I was about to ask 'How can people be that dense?'. This summation will do.
Sadly I think they have. Small minded idiots, influenced too much by marketing and too little by their own brains.
Quote from: Bat King on 02 October, 2012, 02:00:47 PM
I think many people that see this on dvd or bluray will regret not seeing t on three big screen. They might go see a sequel due to said regret. That said, they probably cost us or sequel.
TIME PARADOX.
@Bat King: Quite. I think even if it cleans up on shiny disc purchase and rental, it would have needed to at least made budget to get a movie sequel. Hellboy did $99m on a $66m budget, and even the second film for that took a long time to get sorted (and a third film's still not arrived, despite the sequel doing quite well). Still, you never know. If it does astonishingly well at retail, there's a chance something else Dredd might happen, although I suspect we'll in reality be in the same space as the Browncoats.
We got a really good film though: great writing, excellent direction and photography, first-rate acting, solid effects. My wife (not familiar with Dredd) considered it one of the better comic-book films she's seen (and far better than the Batman films). It would have been lovely to get more than a glimpse of that reality, but at least we did get that glimpse. Hats off to the guys and gals who made it happen.
Even The Green Hornet took almost $100m at the US Box Office - nearly ten times the amount that Dredd managed.
The Green Fucking Hornet!
Does anyone even like that film?
AAARGH!!! WHAT is WRONG with people?!?!
Quote from: radiator on 02 October, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
Even The Green Hornet took almost $100m at the US Box Office - nearly ten times the amount that Dredd managed.
The Green Fucking Hornet!
Does anyone even like that film?
AAARGH!!! WHAT is WRONG with people?!?!
I rank it right up there with the Avengers.. The one with Sean Connery..
I don't know anyone who has SEEN Green Hornet, let alone like it!
Quote from: Something Fishy on 02 October, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
I need to try and get a friend to come in so i can see it before it's gone.
Go see it on your own! Of the 8 times (including tomorrow night) I will have seen it on my own on three of those occasions. It's no big deal. Man up! ::) ;) :lol:
Really not into going alone anymore. Would feel a right saddo at my age :lol:
Mind you, we're all my age or older pretty much so i'm not alone there.
I mostly always go to the cinema on my own these days- and see nothing sad in it at all. Long since stopped bothering with how others may see me!
SBT
I prefer going on my own sometimes..
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 02 October, 2012, 03:40:31 PM
I mostly always go to the cinema on my own these days- and see nothing sad in it at all. Long since stopped bothering with how others may see me!
SBT
yeah true but i still feel it. silly really. i have done a few times but rarely.
I prefer it,Sat morn at 10 0'clock,tub of ice cream and a full cinema (almost) to myself regardless of the film.
Bliss.
The three times i've seen it i've been alone. Mrs not interested. :lol:
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 October, 2012, 04:07:28 PM
I prefer it,Sat morn at 10 0'clock,tub of ice cream and a full cinema (almost) to myself regardless of the film.
Bliss.
My preferred screening also, first showing Saturday morning. Love it!
I've seen it twice - once with a date and once by myself.
I enjoyed it so much more by myself. My date was a constant question-asker.
I barely heard a peep out of Mrs G for the entire duration of the film, bar the odd chuckle at a Dredd one-liner.
Ouch, don't think I could tolerate a chatty cinema companion regardless of how much I fancied them.
Was chatting comic book movies today and while investigating we discovered The Spirit made twice what Dredd did in the US. Stop the world, I want to get off.
Quotewe discovered The Spirit made twice what Dredd did in the US
Ugh. I feel physically sick.
Quote from: radiator on 02 October, 2012, 02:26:49 PMThe Green Fucking Hornet!
Does anyone even like that film?
I like that one. :D
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 02 October, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
Ouch, don't think I could tolerate a chatty cinema companion regardless of how much I fancied them.
Was chatting comic book movies today and while investigating we discovered The Spirit made twice what Dredd did in the US. Stop the world, I want to get off.
I also like The Spirit, I even bought it on DVD. Somebody get me my tie!
Dredd is better, of course.
The Green Hornet was utter garbage. It gave too many nods to the original series. Was it mean't to be a cringeworthy comedy?
V
I think the film is sublime. When I 1st saw it I really wigged. After seeing it half a dozen times I'm just starting to catch my breath. It's almost like watching a new genre being born, something between sci-fi, fantasy and realism. I dunno, the film is a MONSTER.....man.
:o :o :D. :D
Quote from: vzzbux on 02 October, 2012, 08:10:56 PMcomedy?
If is a comedy yes, not to everyone's taste, but nothing is. Did you at least appreciate James Franco's legendary scene? :P
We could sit here all day and name terrible movies that made more money than Dredd ever will. It lacked the hype needed to get bums on seats. I suppose I enjoyed it more than a lot of the hype-fests (Prometheus, TDKR, Spiderman and so forth) because I didn't have the internet screaming at me (apart from here of course ;) )
I don't know if we could get past the first step actually, since nothing is objectively terrible in art. ;)
Is the edit button gone altogether?
Just as I finished typing that, another ad for a product hyping the new Bond came on. Bond's become some a slut.
Ha, I do think Bond was always a slut. He's certainly always been promiscuous. :P But it's true, him selling beer is pretty funny.
This was for coke zero actually.
Daniel Craig's hard drinking, dark and brooding Bond drinks Coke Fucking ZERO? Right then.
QuoteIt lacked the hype needed to get bums on seats.
There was
hype for The Spirit and The Green Hornet?
Quote from: radiator on 02 October, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
QuoteIt lacked the hype needed to get bums on seats.
There was hype for The Spirit and The Green Hornet?
Maybe hype's not the right word. They did have recognizable faces in those movies though, not huge names but names people know. I reckon most people went to see the Green Hornet because Seth Rogen was in it, not because they loved or were even interested in the comics
Quote from: pops1983 on 02 October, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
This was for coke zero actually.
Daniel Craig's hard drinking, dark and brooding Bond drinks Coke Fucking ZERO? Right then.
And Heineken..
Quote from: Something Fishy on 02 October, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
I just noticed my local have pulled it after tomorrow. They didn't even give it a week.
My local (four showings a day in both 2D and 3D, no less) only gave it, in the end, two weeks!!
Bit jealous of some of you Guys that can still pop to see it.
Quote from: vzzbux on 02 October, 2012, 08:10:56 PMWas it mean't to be a cringeworthy comedy?
I assumed so, because I found it really funny, and enjoyed the whole thing hugely.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 02 October, 2012, 08:47:41 PMMy local (four showings a day in both 2D and 3D, no less) only gave it, in the end, two weeks!! Bit jealous of some of you Guys that can still pop to see it.
Gone from our local Showcase as of Friday. One showing in Vue Basingstoke/Camberley. Curiously, Vue now listing Dredd (i.e. 2D) in seven cinemas.
8 9 Dredd LGF $252,778 -63% -56% 2,557 $99 $11,201,341 11
Back up to number 8 in the US :)
Quote from: Beeks on 02 October, 2012, 05:39:13 PM
The three times i've seen it i've been alone. Mrs not interested. :lol:
I've been twice now. Taken groups of friends each time. Including my S.O. both times.
And I plan on going again this weekend with some more pals.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 02 October, 2012, 09:49:02 PM
8 9 Dredd LGF $252,778 -63% -56% 2,557 $99 $11,201,341 11
Back up to number 8 in the US :)
I'm getting 7th on Box Office Mojo. Huzzah!
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/daily/2012-10-02?force_kind=true
Quote from: Stan on 02 October, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
I'm getting 7th on Box Office Mojo. Huzzah!
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/bo_numbers/daily/2012-10-02?force_kind=true
That list is split into 2 different charts, one for films that are on over a 1000 screens and another for films on less than 1000. Pitch Perfect made more than Dredd on less than 1000 screens so Dredd is really at number 8.
Aaaah, thanks. I did wonder what that bottom list was for but it didn't appear worthy of examination.
Out of curiosity, I looked up that other Karl Urban sci-fi movie..
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=doom.htm
Must say I prefered the 2D version... A little more clarity. What is Bond? Have I been missing something?
Quote from: Michaelvk on 02 October, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked up that other Karl Urban sci-fi movie..
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=doom.htm
But the difference there is... DOOM was just a bad movie.
DREDD is a great movie.
Quote from: orinAGN on 02 October, 2012, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 02 October, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked up that other Karl Urban sci-fi movie..
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=doom.htm
But the difference there is... DOOM was just a bad movie.
DREDD is a great movie.
Doom was a fun little movie. Most people who say it sucked haven't seen it, but it has quite a few twists/turns that go against many of the typical action movie tropes.
#Karl #Orin -As I notice you are Americans or based there, what is your take on the marketing for Dredd and why the reception hasn't been as good as we hoped?
Well, I know we want answers, but personally, over here I didn't find Dredd's marketing to be much different from any other movie. It had posters, other than that it had a couple trailers. Can't say I happened to notice many ads on TV or anything.
Anyways, I'm not sure the marketing is necessarily to blame, maybe this particular movie just doesn't attract a huge audience. Many things don't. Who knows? Groovy flick.
I saw two huge posters by where I work, but annoyingly that particular billboard, all be it at a busy junction, is still under a fly over. I did catch the trailer on TV a good half dozen times, especially on Sky channels. I'd say the UK advertising wasn't too bad, and it was widely reviewed by the press.
Frustrating to see Dredd hit 11 for the end-of-week and then get a midweek bounce that no-one will see (given that the midweeks are relatively rarely printed/shown). It really does seem like fate doesn't want Dredd doing great cinema business in the US, for some reason.
The 18 rating for it knocked off a large proportion of potential audience, let's not also forget.
QuoteThe 18 rating for it knocked off a large proportion of potential audience, let's not also forget.
Yes, but it's
rated R in the states, just the same as Prometheus and Looper. In the UK it did pretty well for an 18.
I had to smile to myself the other week while I was wandering through a busy Leicester city centre to see it, overhearing a couple of lads complaining that they'd prefer to see Dredd but wouldn't be allowed in to watch it. :'(
Well there's a couple of DVDs sold.
Unless they're brothers or something. Then maybe one.
Still...
Quote from: karl on 03 October, 2012, 01:52:29 AM
Doom was a fun little movie. Most people who say it sucked haven't seen it, but it has quite a few twists/turns that go against many of the typical action movie tropes.
I've seen it. Twice. It's garbage.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 03 October, 2012, 01:59:52 AM
#Karl #Orin -As I notice you are Americans or based there, what is your take on the marketing for Dredd and why the reception hasn't been as good as we hoped?
Well, the marketing sucked. I was excited because I was familiar with the source material.
But the trailers didn't do a good job of presenting the movie to people unfamiliar.
And unfortunately Judge Dredd isn't mainstream or well-known enough in America.
Most Americans know the cheesy, hammy, goofy Stallone movie.
So, that automatically hurt this films reception.
It indicates that audiences don't like trying something new.
Dredd isn't mainstream in the US, or pretty much ANYWHERE except the UK.
And all Americans know about it is Stallone.
Some people wanted to argue that it was the Hard R rating that the film got.
That people don't go see R movies as much anymore.
And that's bullsh!t. And I can prove it.
Audiences flock to what they're familiar with. Using that notion, and going back to Stallone...
The Expendables was hard R, tons of blood, gore and exploding bodies.
That movie had way more gratuitous violence than Dredd.
It's budget was 80 million.
It's BO take was almost 280 million.
The Expendables 2 was hard R.
It's budget was a lil' more than the 1st film.
It's made even more money than the first film did.
It has nothing to do with the R-rating. And EVERYTHING to do with movie going audiences being sheep.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 02 October, 2012, 05:59:02 PM
I've seen it twice - once with a date and once by myself.
I enjoyed it so much more by myself. My date was a constant question-asker.
Tell me more tell me more, did you get very far?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 03 October, 2012, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 02 October, 2012, 05:59:02 PM
I've seen it twice - once with a date and once by myself.
I enjoyed it so much more by myself. My date was a constant question-asker.
Tell me more tell me more, did you get very far?
Tell me more! Tell me more! Like, does he have a car?
Quote from: orinAGN on 03 October, 2012, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 03 October, 2012, 06:46:27 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 02 October, 2012, 05:59:02 PM
I've seen it twice - once with a date and once by myself.
I enjoyed it so much more by myself. My date was a constant question-asker.
Tell me more tell me more, did you get very far?
Proudhuff, her questions were a complete turnoff - how dare she not know anything about Dredd?!
As for the car quote, orinAGN, I guess that went right over my head. I'll assume that even if I "got it", it would be as funny as it is now.
Tell me more! Tell me more! Like, does he have a car?
You're right about people liking what is familiar....and Dredd confuses a lot of people....the 1995 version is a prime example of how confused they get over it. They forget it is a fantasy first...."How is this a fantasy without some fucking Hobbit not turning up?"....secondly they become flustered because he never takes his headgear off..."Where's the big ego stars' face"....lastly they cannot understand why he does not keep rescuing beautiful ladies from nasty villians and jumping into bed with them a la 007.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 03 October, 2012, 07:25:47 PM
As for the car quote, orinAGN, I guess that went right over my head. I'll assume that even if I "got it", it would be as funny as it is now.
I am shocked and dismayed that a human being walks upon this Earth, unable to recognise those words immediately. Allow me to elucidate... http://youtu.be/aXlnMveRt-Y (http://youtu.be/aXlnMveRt-Y)
God, I'd forgotten how annoying that song was.
Quote from: fonky on 03 October, 2012, 07:28:48 PM...lastly they cannot understand why he does not keep rescuing beautiful ladies from nasty villians and jumping into bed with them a la 007.
Much as I love my Bond films, Dredd would shoot first. Bond's used to dealing with showy monologuers.
INFO from
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/dredd-2012
Opening Weekend: $6,278,491
Total Domestic Gross: $11,548,247
Worldwide Gross: $28,406,251
Total Budget: $72,000,000
that budget is way higher than i had read. That includes marketing and distribution?
so it needed to gross over 100 million to make some money? blimey.
Quote from: Mark Taylor on 03 October, 2012, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: fonky on 03 October, 2012, 07:28:48 PM...lastly they cannot understand why he does not keep rescuing beautiful ladies from nasty villians and jumping into bed with them a la 007.
Much as I love my Bond films, Dredd would shoot first. Bond's used to dealing with showy monologuers.
It's why there has been so many Bond films. The success is down to the fact he's tough and a ladies man. Dredd on the other hand comes over as a moody vigilante, who, unlike Batman, has no manners.
Quote from: junox on 03 October, 2012, 08:48:51 PM
Worldwide Gross: $28,406,251
Total Budget: $72,000,000
This world was never meant for one as beautiful as Dredd.
I thought the budget was $45 million?
i think that was to make it, this is everything.
im going with between 45 to 50 mil i aint buyin the 75mil one :thumbsup:
Quote from: hazy efc on 03 October, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
im going with between 45 to 50 mil i aint buyin the 75mil one :thumbsup:
pardon me gentlemen 72 mil
Interesting turn up for the books.
The Bristol Showcase Deluxe is starting to show the 2D verison of Dredd into the middle of next week (at least), starting on Friday after the 3D finishes tomorrow. Only one other of another 7 cinemas in Bristol is showing it into next week and that is only one 3D showing each night.
I went to see it again tonight with CrazyFoxMachine, and I know it was an 'Orange Wednesday', but this was comfortably the busiest screening I've been to out of 6 so far, 70-80 people in there.
Still some life in the old boy yet.
7 Dredd 3D $346,906 37% 2,557 51 $136 $11,548,247 2 Lionsgate
Another decent day.
So does the '51' mean it's being shown in more venues this week? That seems a little odd.
Quote from: judge devs on 03 October, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Interesting turn up for the books.
The Bristol Showcase Deluxe is starting to show the 2D verison of Dredd into the middle of next week (at least), starting on Friday after the 3D finishes tomorrow. Only one other of another 7 cinemas in Bristol is showing it into next week and that is only one 3D showing each night.
I went to see it again tonight with CrazyFoxMachine, and I know it was an 'Orange Wednesday', but this was comfortably the busiest screening I've been to out of 6 so far, 70-80 people in there.
Still some life in the old boy yet.
Was this a 2-D showing?
Quote from: Stan on 03 October, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
So does the '51' mean it's being shown in more venues this week? That seems a little odd.
It's being shown in 2,557. The 51 is a percentage fall in comparison to the same day last week.
Quote from: hazy efc on 03 October, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
im going with between 45 to 50 mil i aint buyin the 75mil one :thumbsup:
The actual production budget to make the film was
$35 million.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Stan on 03 October, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
So does the '51' mean it's being shown in more venues this week? That seems a little odd.
It's being shown in 2,557. The 51 is a percentage fall in comparison to the same day last week.
Nope. Dredd has actually opened in an extra 51 theatres in the US -it is only a small number, but it all counts. Dredd for Tuesday is only a few thousand behind Resident Evil (which unfortunately is hugely popular despite being terrible).
Went to see Dredd at Bolton Imax in Real 3D, didn't really notice much difference in quality, but the sound system was not very good.Last showing there is tomorrow night.It had a headcount score of 22.
If Dredd can keep out there for a decent amount of time, maybe push some more 2D prints out...the final figure might not be as bad as feared..
OK now I am really confused. Why would they spend the same amount of money that it cost to make a film to advertise it as well. Surely it couldn't be $72 million all together. Then Alex Garland's comment about the $50 mil mark for a sequel wouldn't make any sense as it would still be down on money.
Quote from: judge devs on 03 October, 2012, 10:23:42 PMThe Bristol Showcase Deluxe is starting to show the 2D verison of Dredd into the middle of next week (at least), starting on Friday
Showcase is doing the same here. Friday/Saturday get 22:00 and 00:15 showings; Sunday and Monday get 22:00.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 04 October, 2012, 12:39:43 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Stan on 03 October, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
So does the '51' mean it's being shown in more venues this week? That seems a little odd.
It's being shown in 2,557. The 51 is a percentage fall in comparison to the same day last week.
Nope. Dredd has actually opened in an extra 51 theatres in the US
I had suspected that but it does match the % fall too. I wonder does this mean they're pushing out some 2D.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 04 October, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
OK now I am really confused. Why would they spend the same amount of money that it cost to make a film to advertise it as well. Surely it couldn't be $72 million all together. Then Alex Garland's comment about the $50 mil mark for a sequel wouldn't make any sense as it would still be down on money.
The $50 mill would be the production budget + marketing in the US.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 03 October, 2012, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 03 October, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Interesting turn up for the books.
The Bristol Showcase Deluxe is starting to show the 2D verison of Dredd into the middle of next week (at least), starting on Friday after the 3D finishes tomorrow. Only one other of another 7 cinemas in Bristol is showing it into next week and that is only one 3D showing each night.
I went to see it again tonight with CrazyFoxMachine, and I know it was an 'Orange Wednesday', but this was comfortably the busiest screening I've been to out of 6 so far, 70-80 people in there.
Still some life in the old boy yet.
Was this a 2-D showing?
No the showing I went to last night was 3D, and at that particular Showcase they're stopping showing the 3D version tonight (Thursday) and starting showing the 2D twice if not three times a night for a week from Friday. Nowhere in Bristol out of 7 or 8 cinemas in the city has shown the 2D until now. Nearest previously was Cardiff.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 01:29:05 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 04 October, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
OK now I am really confused. Why would they spend the same amount of money that it cost to make a film to advertise it as well. Surely it couldn't be $72 million all together. Then Alex Garland's comment about the $50 mil mark for a sequel wouldn't make any sense as it would still be down on money.
The $50 mill would be the production budget + marketing in the US.
So $70 is about right for the total global budget, $35M production, $15M US marketing, $20M rest of the world marketing?
I noticed quite a bit of difference between the two versions. You become aware of a lot more of the detail in the film, colours seem better defined and don't merge and blend together as much. The narcotic sequences in the film worked just as well in 2D, which suprised me. All in all, there isn't a downside to the film.
I'm certianly going to check it out, probably twice just to sure.
are they releasing dredd in france and japan i think it would do great in japan
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 04 October, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
OK now I am really confused. Why would they spend the same amount of money that it cost to make a film to advertise it as well. Surely it couldn't be $72 million all together. Then Alex Garland's comment about the $50 mil mark for a sequel wouldn't make any sense as it would still be down on money.
Yep, it's lunacy, but studios often spend almost as much on advertising a dim as making it. Something like Datk Knight Rises probably had a marketing budget over $100m. For many low budget films they spend MORE on marketing than the film itself.
I fear that it would have taken a huge marketing blitz to make the film a success - which would somewhat defeat the purpose of making it on a low ish budget in the first place.
The $50m number was for the US - it would have recouped the amount Lionsgate paid for distribution rights and marketing.
As I understand it, most films don't make a huge profit theatrically, but continue to make money on home video, rentals/streaming, TV rights etc etc. That is why most film's appear to lose money when you look at box office.
Garland's remark was 1) a fairly throwaway comment, and 2) $50m in the US. I suspect the assumption was if it did $50m in that territory, it'd pick up another $15m–$30m elsewhere. Also, is that $70m figure ratified anywhere, or is it just another site firing guesswork into the ether, like IMDB and Mobygames? (Note that the figure wouldn't surprise me, given that even the smallest movies are often production budget x 1.5 for actual budget.)
The reported production budget seemed to rise from $35m to $45/50m during production. Is it possible that the film went over budget due to reshoots or something?
Would films be insured for that kind of thing?
Sure you're not getting your £/$'s mixed up?
Possibly...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 04 October, 2012, 12:39:43 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Stan on 03 October, 2012, 11:19:36 PM
So does the '51' mean it's being shown in more venues this week? That seems a little odd.
It's being shown in 2,557. The 51 is a percentage fall in comparison to the same day last week.
Nope. Dredd has actually opened in an extra 51 theatres in the US
I had suspected that but it does match the % fall too. I wonder does this mean they're pushing out some 2D.
Oh Okay.I think/hope they are pushing more 2D prints out.
The total box office for Dredd should jump a lot in next few days.Looking at the foreign gross, the figures are for the most part just accounting for a few days of release, even UK box office hasn't released last weekends figures yet and I can't see anything at all relating to Irelands figures just yet either. Basically there is a lot of numbers to come in ,I'm still holding out hope that things look a lot better in a weeks time.
Again, the problem there is if any other countries will heavily impact on those numbers. For Dredd, the UK is the 'home' territory and the US is, as always, the potentially largest market. I can see the film grabbing a few hundred thou here and there, and perhaps a million or two in very large territories (like in Russia), but we could really do with it going batshit mental somewhere. Ideally, it'd be lovely if the Japanese just went totally Dredd crazy when the film shows up there.
Last Night for Dredd in Belfast tonight. So we'll be there, then off to the monthly comic book group to beat them over the head if they haven't seen it.
Bummed its the last show.
Quote from: hazy efc on 04 October, 2012, 09:23:00 AM
are they releasing dredd in france and japan i think it would do great in japan
Yeah, it could be big in Japan.
...tonight.
I recall something about it being released early next year. Though I'm not sure why (I could be mistaken anyway).
I've mentioned this before, but I have a friend in Japan, and as far as he can tell Dredd doesn't have distribution there.
Quote from: Stan on 04 October, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: hazy efc on 04 October, 2012, 09:23:00 AM
are they releasing dredd in france and japan i think it would do great in japan
Yeah, it could be big in Japan.
Well on previous visits to Japan I've taken a Judge Dredd action figure as a present for my brother in law, and last time, I took the two Tour of Duty trades and he had a bit of a look at those. He might go see it I suppose although he had never heard of Judge Dredd or 2000 AD until I blathered on about it to him.
Judge Dredd is even less well known in Japan than he is in America but it could do well if marketed as a pure, violent action film.
I asked a couple of weeks ago so, or about 40 pages back, if someone had a full distribution list, and I am certain it was Joe Soap that who posted a link to a list. I'm sure Japan was on it, but the biggest surprise for me was Germany being one of the last on the list in late November.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/releaseinfo
Japan hasn't appeared on any release lists as far as I can tell.
Though Karl is promoting it there, apparently.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 03 October, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 03 October, 2012, 07:25:47 PM
As for the car quote, orinAGN, I guess that went right over my head. I'll assume that even if I "got it", it would be as funny as it is now.
I am shocked and dismayed that a human being walks upon this Earth, unable to recognise those words immediately. Allow me to elucidate... http://youtu.be/aXlnMveRt-Y (http://youtu.be/aXlnMveRt-Y)
God, I'd forgotten how annoying that song was.
HAHA! I love that song! Oh well, to each their own! Your reaction was priceless though. Comedy gold!
re Dredd Japan
In a New Zealand radio interview the other day, Urban said he's going to Australia then Japan as part of the publicity tour.
It's at the 8m50s mark
http://www.therock.net.nz/Karl-Urban-hangs-out-with-Robert-and-Jono/tabid/381/articleID/22342/Default.aspx?ref=FBRock
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 October, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/releaseinfo
Thats the badger.
Hong Kong is on the list, but not China - anyone know why? Shame. Such a huge market to miss out.
Miffed because they didn't get action figures to produce perhaps?
Dredd 8th in the US for Wednesday ,just 17k behind 7th place ,another 1/4 mill in the kitty.The longer it keeps in the top ten the longer theatres will hopefully continue to show it.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 October, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Miffed because they didn't get action figures to produce perhaps?
this HAS to happen at some point!
Quote from: CraveNoir on 04 October, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
re Dredd Japan
In a New Zealand radio interview the other day, Urban said he's going to Australia then Japan as part of the publicity tour.
It's at the 8m50s mark
http://www.therock.net.nz/Karl-Urban-hangs-out-with-Robert-and-Jono/tabid/381/articleID/22342/Default.aspx?ref=FBRock
Worth checking out - Karl does a wicked Frank Spencer impersonation!
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 04 October, 2012, 07:19:57 PM
Hong Kong is on the list, but not China - anyone know why? Shame. Such a huge market to miss out.
Violence and political overtones probably. Only a limited quota of foreign films are chosen each year.
It is rather Western imperialist...
Another decent hold on Thursday
7 Dredd 3D $253,023 2% 2,557 51 $99 $12,050,414 2 Lionsgate
It's definitely hanging on in there. Critically liked and surely going to make money one the home release happens means it should be seen as a success.
Caught the 2D version earlier this evening as it finally made it onto a screen in Bristol, I have to say I think I preferred it to the 3D version. Don't get me wrong, having seen the 3D version 6 times and loved it, I just found the picture clearer and sharp and easier to watch. It could be because I wear glasses and have to wear the 3D ones over the top, but the 2D experience for me was a good deal more enjoyable.
Be interested to see what the opinion of other people who have seen both the 3D and 2D version is.
Overall I'd say that the 3D hasn't particularly enhanced the film, but then I don't think it has detracted from it either, which I guess makes it a bit 'meh'.
Quote from: judge devs on 05 October, 2012, 10:43:43 PM
Don't get me wrong, having seen the 3D version 6 times and loved it, I just found the picture clearer and sharp and easier to watch. It could be because I wear glasses and have to wear the 3D ones over the top, but the 2D experience for me was a good deal more enjoyable.
That's infuriating, isn't it? I ended up taking my glasses off, and watching it just with the 3d specs, so the beauty of the slow mo scenes was lost a little bit thanks to the blurriness...
Do Yourself a Favor and See Dredd 3D Instead of Taken 2
http://gawker.com/5949128/do-yourself-a-favor-and-see-dredd-3d-instead-of-taken-2
Quote from: Stan on 06 October, 2012, 12:29:16 AM
Do Yourself a Favor and See Dredd 3D Instead of Taken 2
http://gawker.com/5949128/do-yourself-a-favor-and-see-dredd-3d-instead-of-taken-2
I really liked taken 1 ive got to admit, but im going to avoid the 2nd one as ive heard its awful
it will still do big box office numbers the numbers that dredd deserves to be making
Yeah, I liked the first Taken. I disagree with him on that bit. The whole 12A thing and rogue daughter crap has put me off the sequel though.
And I agree, it'll make a fucking bomb.
Quote from: strangelysaucy on 04 October, 2012, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 04 October, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Miffed because they didn't get action figures to produce perhaps?
this HAS to happen at some point!
I'd prefer to have Action figures based on the way they look in the Prog's not the movie. (just my preference)
Quote from: Aonghus on 06 October, 2012, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: judge devs on 05 October, 2012, 10:43:43 PM
Don't get me wrong, having seen the 3D version 6 times and loved it, I just found the picture clearer and sharp and easier to watch. It could be because I wear glasses and have to wear the 3D ones over the top, but the 2D experience for me was a good deal more enjoyable.
That's infuriating, isn't it? I ended up taking my glasses off, and watching it just with the 3d specs, so the beauty of the slow mo scenes was lost a little bit thanks to the blurriness...
I guess it depends on how bad your eye sight is and whether or not your comfortable not wearing them. Personallyy I'm not. If I had thought about it I'd have gotten an up to date contact presrciption before the film came out.
The other thing is I didn't appreciate the difference until I was able to watch the 2D version, so thought that what I was seeing when watching the 3D was actually ok.
Gonna go back and watch the 2D at least once more.
Quote from: Stan on 06 October, 2012, 01:31:50 AM
Yeah, I liked the first Taken. I disagree with him on that bit. The whole 12A thing and rogue daughter crap has put me off the sequel though.
And I agree, it'll make a fucking bomb.
I've heard people who enjoyed the first say that it's been edited so mercilessly to get a last minute 12A that there are scenes that make no sense at all (Neeson apparently just needs to walk into a room and look at someone and they'll appear dead suddenly).
I am a glasses wearer and am surprised so many glasses wearers list this as a big issue against 3d. Now I must say I prefer 2d in most cases (not seen this in 2d yet) but that is an artistic preference, I think mostly 3d is badly used and it annoys me. The glasses fit fine over my glasses, always have. Is it my glasses??? I know I've not always had the exact same stle so maybe not. I don't even find the glasses a minor issue.
Quote from: judge devs on 06 October, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
Quote from: Aonghus on 06 October, 2012, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: judge devs on 05 October, 2012, 10:43:43 PM
Don't get me wrong, having seen the 3D version 6 times and loved it, I just found the picture clearer and sharp and easier to watch. It could be because I wear glasses and have to wear the 3D ones over the top, but the 2D experience for me was a good deal more enjoyable.
That's infuriating, isn't it? I ended up taking my glasses off, and watching it just with the 3d specs, so the beauty of the slow mo scenes was lost a little bit thanks to the blurriness...
I guess it depends on how bad your eye sight is and whether or not your comfortable not wearing them. Personallyy I'm not.
Quote from: Bat King on 06 October, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
I am a glasses wearer and am surprised so many glasses wearers list this as a big issue against 3d. Now I must say I prefer 2d in most cases (not seen this in 2d yet) but that is an artistic preference, I think mostly 3d is badly used and it annoys me. The glasses fit fine over my glasses, always have. Is it my glasses??? I know I've not always had the exact same stle so maybe not. I don't even find the glasses a minor issue.
In my case, I have reasonably bad eyesight and an astigmatism, so watching without the glasses is annoying, but because of the shape of my nose it can't support both my normal specs and the chunky-ass 3d glasses without having to do a futile nerdy push-them-up-the-bridge-of-my-nose dealie.
It's not an insurmountable issue mind, and given an absorbing film I forget about whichever irritation I've settled on after about 5-10 minutes; it's just not ideal :P
Quote from: Bat King on 06 October, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
I am a glasses wearer and am surprised so many glasses wearers list this as a big issue against 3d. Now I must say I prefer 2d in most cases (not seen this in 2d yet) but that is an artistic preference, I think mostly 3d is badly used and it annoys me. The glasses fit fine over my glasses, always have. Is it my glasses??? I know I've not always had the exact same stle so maybe not. I don't even find the glasses a minor issue.
I'm not saying I found it a particular issue, as to be honest until I saw the 2D version I hadn't considered it. At no time whilst watching did I think it was an issue, I didn't feel it was getting in the way of my enjoyment of the film. It's that I found the 2D version so much clearer and sharper then the 3D one, and I was rather surprised. This is the first movie I have seen both the 2D and 3D versions in the cinema and has wondering if being a glasses wearer might have been a contributing factor.
I'm not so sure it was, I think it is just the case that 2D version really is clearer and sharper and that 3D technology, although adding a nice depth to some scens, does actually make the image a bit less sharper then it should be. I was just surprised at how big I thought the contrast between the two versions was.
QuoteThe whole 12A thing and rogue daughter crap has put me off the sequel though.
indeed. me and themrs loved the first one. i mean
properly loved it*....as soon as we saw the daughter is involved in the trailer (while watching dredd) we both groaned and went 'fuck that!'
* most of you know we are suckers for revenge/kicking ass movies.
Why are the UK box office figures so painfully slow to come out, we still haven't got last weekends figures yet?
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 06 October, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: Stan on 06 October, 2012, 01:31:50 AM
Yeah, I liked the first Taken. I disagree with him on that bit. The whole 12A thing and rogue daughter crap has put me off the sequel though.
And I agree, it'll make a fucking bomb.
I've heard people who enjoyed the first say that it's been edited so mercilessly to get a last minute 12A that there are scenes that make no sense at all (Neeson apparently just needs to walk into a room and look at someone and they'll appear dead suddenly).
In fairness, Bryan Mills
is kinda hard. I would probably faint too.
@auxlenI don't blame either of you. It looks like Spy Kids. Except with just one Kid. Maybe Agent Codey Banks or whatever it's called.
Quote from: Aonghus on 06 October, 2012, 01:33:12 PM
In my case, I have reasonably bad eyesight and an astigmatism, so watching without the glasses is annoying, but because of the shape of my nose it can't support both my normal specs and the chunky-ass 3d glasses without having to do a futile nerdy push-them-up-the-bridge-of-my-nose dealie.
It's not an insurmountable issue mind, and given an absorbing film I forget about whichever irritation I've settled on after about 5-10 minutes; it's just not ideal :P
I can't see the film at all without glasses...
Quote from: judge devs on 06 October, 2012, 05:07:27 PM
I'm not so sure it was, I think it is just the case that 2D version really is clearer and sharper and that 3D technology, although adding a nice depth to some scens, does actually make the image a bit less sharper then it should be. I was just surprised at how big I thought the contrast between the two versions was.
3D is darker than 2D and 2D is definitely sharper. as I said, I prefer 2D in most cases. Not even been offered 2D yet...
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 06 October, 2012, 06:51:01 PM
Why are the UK box office figures so painfully slow to come out, we still haven't got last weekends figures yet?
http://industry.bfi.org.uk/weekendboxoffice
Thanks Joe - that is the first time I've looked at the UK box office figures for some time, and (given the disappointing and somewhat depressing news from the U.S.) I'm pleasantly surprised to see that the overall takings for Dredd seem to be on a par with most of the competition.
After weeks of badgering, I finally managed to talk a few people in my work into seeing it this week. They absolutely loved it, but I just wished I could have talked them into going sooner so there would have been more time for them to have recommended it to their friends... At least one of them is now going to try out the Case Files as a result!
Aw Man, DREDD isn't even in the top ten http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/
:(
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 06 October, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Aw Man, DREDD isn't even in the top ten http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/
:(
That's an incomplete chart as the reslts for all films aren't in but Dredd wasn't in the top ten last weekend either. It was at 11.
So in the UK we've taken roughly $6.5M, shame you can't up scale our population to that of the US, we'd have done about $33M on our own :)
BOXOFFICE
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/dredd-2012?q=dredd
Dredd 3D (R)
Action | Sci-Fi | 3D Movie - Sep 21, 2012
Opening Weekend: $6,278,491
Total Domestic Gross: $12,675,414 [est.]
Worldwide Gross: $29,533,418 [est.]
Total Budget: $72,000,000
Just screened Taken 2, and it was pretty much full, and this is after it's got a ton of negative reviews. The film is really bad. I understand that people may have liked the first one, but I think it was easy to tell from the trailers alone that this sequel was just a cash cow.
And then Dredd, which was clearly made with a lot of love, and is really good and got a ton of great reviews, nobody wants to watch.
Crazy.
It looks like it'll double Dredd's worldwide take in one weekend.
The number of screens for Dredd have also been slashed by two thirds.
Mmm, i guess its still early days and all that, but it looks like its going to really struggle to even make its money back.
I don't follow these things closely but I can't see it making much more than $15 mil in the US.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 07 October, 2012, 07:39:52 PM
Mmm, i guess its still early days and all that, but it looks like its going to really struggle to even make its money back.
Don't forget it's still to open in the cinema in these territories and even more that aren't listed here (from IMDb):
Argentina, Netherlands, Hong Kong, Australia, Chile, Taiwan, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland.
That it's going to be a runaway success seems unlikely, but that it will make it's money back doesn't seem so farfetched, bearing in mind income from home formats is yet to arrive.
Hopefully my post didnt come across as negative, think i was a little shocked, and disheartened, by the figures in junox's post. You would hope it would make its money, and as i said its still early(ish) days, but it needs to make another $40M? Gulp.
Has there ever been more of a rollercoaster ride of emotions, following a film, than this?
Good word of mouth and reviews, silencing the online idiots, have come thick and fast (and most importantly the film itself is top-notch), but followed by sluggish box office that picks up then slumps then picks up again.
For those that would know these things - just how much $ can home media formats generate, for a film like Dredd?
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 07 October, 2012, 06:53:28 PM
Just screened Taken 2, and it was pretty much full, and this is after it's got a ton of negative reviews. The film is really bad. I understand that people may have liked the first one, but I think it was easy to tell from the trailers alone that this sequel was just a cash cow.
And then Dredd, which was clearly made with a lot of love, and is really good and got a ton of great reviews, nobody wants to watch.
Crazy.
We all should of shit over dredd before it got to the states that way it would of made 30mil easy
Would you all be happier if it was a crock of shit that made a lot of money?
I know I wouldn't.
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 October, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Would you all be happier if it was a crock of shit that made a lot of money?
I know I wouldn't.
Well the first movie was certainly a crock of shit, and that didn't make money either.
Personally, I'm happy with a smouldering cult classic, which will, once rental and DVD sales are chucked in, make it's money back. It still also has a ton of territories to open in yet as well. Germany could add some good money to it's overall take.
I seem to rememmber Blade Runner lost money on it's initial release and was slated by critics and was wildely over budget and schedule in production, so much so it was also canned in production. That turned out ok. Directors recent works have been iffy though.
why no french italy or japan release for dredd, shame could of made good money in those countries
Out of curiosity just looked up Taken 2 on box office mojo, a movie which I've heard nothing but dreadful things about and is being universally slated. It's opening weekend took $50,000,000.
I know a lot of inferior films will be making more than Dredd, but this one in particular is a bit of a kick in the stones, given Dredd's hugely positive word of mouth and Taken 2's awful reputation. Especially as it's had the opening weekend Dredd needed and deserved.
Of course, I haven't seen Taken 2, it might be incredible.
Quote from: hazy efc on 07 October, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
why no french italy or japan release for dredd, shame could of made good money in those countries
Judge who?
im a TAXI DRIVER
Everone that went to Taken last few nights have been talking about how bad it was ... when i mentioned Dredd ,they all were under the impression it was a bad movie.........!!!#+*
where do these folk get there info
Quote from: hazy efc on 07 October, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
why no french italy or japan release for dredd, shame could of made good money in those countries
If I keep telling myself it will arrive in Italy, it will arrive. One day. I check a few times a week and there never seems to be any news other than it's being released in 2012.
Out at the cinema here right now is J. Edgar, a film from 2011. I'm guessing that following the dubbing process they'll wait for an opportune moment to release it later on. Sooner or later it will come, but although the chracter is known I'm not sure how popular he will be in the cinemas. A company called Magic Press has translated America and Total War, so there must be some more recent interest beyond the 1995 film.
Just have to wait and see.
Quote from: hazy efc on 07 October, 2012, 08:22:54 PM
We all should of shit over dredd before it got to the states that way it would of made 30mil easy
:)
Quote from: junox on 07 October, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
im a TAXI DRIVER
Everone that went to Taken last few nights have been talking about how bad it was ... when i mentioned Dredd ,they all were under the impression it was a bad movie.........!!!#+*
where do these folk get there info
Gawddamn Americans :crazy:
Wait, junox are you a taxi driver in america or elsewhere? :eh:
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 07 October, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
Out of curiosity just looked up Taken 2 on box office mojo, a movie which I've heard nothing but dreadful things about and is being universally slated. It's opening weekend took $50,000,000.
That's an estimate from last Friday. The weekend's not over.
Mr 9.8
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taxi driver Edinburgh/Scotland DROKK
Quote from: junox on 07 October, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
im a TAXI DRIVER
Everone that went to Taken last few nights have been talking about how bad it was ... when i mentioned Dredd ,they all were under the impression it was a bad movie.........!!!#+*
where do these folk get there info
They were under the impression dredd was a BAD movie well i guess they would of been with
mostly great reviews, thats why they flocked like sheep to watch taken2 which had terrible reviews
you should of travis bickled there ass`s haha im sorry it had to be said :thumbsup:
Most people don't read reviews.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
Most people don't read reviews.
well i for one do and thats why i aint going no were near taken2 which is sad
as i was really looking forward to seeing it as i liked the first one a lot
I don't not see a film just because of a review...
Quote from: Bat King on 07 October, 2012, 11:56:14 PM
I don't not see a film just because of a review...
I guess thats why crap like taken2 and resident evil do so well at the box office mate
and dredd not as well, i think its clear most people dont pay attention to reviews when it comes
to going to see a movie could you image if they did dredd 2 by 2014 anyone i can only dream haha :thumbsup:
Some reviews are wrong... Not mine about Dredd mind you.
I never take any notice of reviews whatsoever. None. If a movie appeals to me in some way, i'll give it a go. I'd imagine the reason Taken 2 has opened strongly is because a lot of people enjoyed the first one and are giving the sequel a go based on that, as well as liking Liam Neeson. If it's as bad as people are saying here, the it's have a significant drop-off in it's second week.
I dont know why no one saw Dredd, but i'd guess that to anyone not familiar with it, it looked like a low-budget remake without any stars. The poster had no 'names' on it, and it promised only violence and a story about a drug bust- perhaps in a time of global depression, both economic and based on conflict, audiences wanted something with more escapism and obvious fun. Maybe Dredd looked like a straight to dvd (or to netflix) title that went to the cinema only to cash in on/rip-off the 'success of The Raid' and to gethe audience to fork out for unnecessary and expensive 3D. I dont know.
SBT
It's a funny old world we're living in. The reason few people could be bothered to see DREDD and rather sit at home watching "Stars in Their Eyes" and "Blind Date" is the same reason why dross such as "Fifty Shades of Grey" sells millions. I won't mention F.W. here....still.
Too many living in the past. I don't mean nostalgia for the good old days, but outlooks and beliefs that are about 100 years old still clinging on. Is it the Tory conference this week, by and by, as we're on the subject of antiquated, exploded doctrines?
Idiocrasy is slowly, but surely, heading into documentary territory..
QuoteThe reason few people could be bothered to see DREDD and rather sit at home watching "Stars in Their Eyes" and "Blind Date"
You've just dated yourself by about twenty years with those cultural references... Blind Date and Stars in their Eyes seem rather quaint and charming compared to their modern equivalents.
Here's a few steps Dredd should have taken in order to ensure box office domination:
Scrapped the bonkers and brilliant soundtrack and replaced it with bland, laughably dated sub-Linkin Park nu-metal.
Got rid of the utilitarian Judge uniforms and replaced them with skin-tight shiny PVC with loads of camp-looking muscle definition. Lose the helmet, and replace Karl Urban with Jason Statham.
Edit out all of the blood and aim for a PG-13 rating.
Had all the characters doing repeated backflips in slow motion at regular intervals, during fight scenes so heavily stylised and choreographed that they lack any weight or tension whatsoever and quickly become unintentionally hilarious. When they land, they should land in that manga-esque 'three-point' landing, then slowly look up at the camera and deliver something banal.
Instead of [spoiler]executing Mama in a way that is brutal, unexpected, thought-provoking and somewhat poetic and beautiful[/spoiler], make her and Dredd have an extended kung fu fight scene with lots of slow motion backflips and ludicrous showboating - like running up the walls and dodging bullets like in The Matrix.
That's right... the invention of photography, radio and phonograph, film and the telephone,all of which appeared more or less simultaneously, brought about a democratisation of "The Arts". Television and groups such as The RollingStones introduced a development of democratisation to one of plebianisation of "The Arts". The level we're at now with the likes of X Factor is one of "cretin-isation" of "culture".
We all participate in it though, we either love it or lump it. (Cliche warniing).
Quote from: radiator on 08 October, 2012, 12:17:13 PM
Instead of [spoiler]executing Mama in a way that is brutal, unexpected, thought-provoking and somewhat poetic and beautiful[/spoiler], make her and Dredd have an extended kung fu fight scene with lots of slow motion backflips and ludicrous showboating - like running up the walls and dodging bullets like in The Matrix.
For some reason I thought you said snowboarding. God, that would've been awesome.
But.. :lol:
Quote from: radiator on 08 October, 2012, 12:17:13 PM:When they land, they should land in that manga-esque 'three-point' landing, then slowly look up at the camera and deliver something banal.
What
is it with that ninja landing thing? I guffawed when I saw it in Tron Legacy, and even Spiderman has fallen prey to it I believe.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThreePointLanding
Laugh it up boys...
"Judge Dredd the Musical" is in the pipeline; with Andrew Lloyd Webber and Graham Norton auditioning vast numbers of wannabes in search of the perfect Dredd co staring with Julie Andrews as Anderson : "The streets are alive with the sound of dum dums"
How do you solve a problem like Maria (and Walter, presumably).
Quote from: Michaelvk on 08 October, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
Idiocrasy is slowly, but surely, heading into documentary territory..
Saw Exhibit A at the cinema today -spoilers for anyone planning on going soon[spoiler]Just saw Loopers, 'this decades Matrix' my arse.Besides being incredibly dull and pretentious for almost its entirerity, it has plot holes so big you could sail the US Fifth Fleet through with ample room to spare.The fact that there is exposition to explain away the plot holes which
still dont make any sense of it all just makes it worse.That this is doing massive business compared to Dredd, just made me hate it that little bit more :([/spoiler]
Okay, I got a question about the box-office.
Apparently, so far it's earned $22,775,000, against a budget of 35-45 million.
But I read that this film also that "the film attracted $30 million in worldwide pre-sales to distributors before filming had even begun".
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155?refCatId=13 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155?refCatId=13)
Does this figure go towards the overall sales at the end of the day? So, pre-sales + box-office + DVD sales = total sales?
Anyone have any feedback?
No. In short:
DNA buy the rights and put together a film proposal
IMGlobal/Reliance finance the film ($45m), and court distributors.
Distributors buy rights to theatrical/home media. ($30m before the Lionsgate deal). They get the bulk of the take, but money also trickles back to IMG & DNA.
If distributors make big money then they are more likely to buy into a sequel.
Quote from: orinAGN on 08 October, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
Okay, I got a question about the box-office.
Apparently, so far it's earned $22,775,000, against a budget of 35-45 million.
But I read that this film also that "the film attracted $30 million in worldwide pre-sales to distributors before filming had even begun".
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155?refCatId=13 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118024155?refCatId=13)
Does this figure go towards the overall sales at the end of the day? So, pre-sales + box-office + DVD sales = total sales?
Anyone have any feedback?
The film has made $29,533,418 - not up to date - worldwide.
http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/dredd-2012
The film still needs to make money for the distributors; it just so happens that the pre-sales paid for most if not all of the film's modest $35 million production budget, but of course distributors still want to make a lot more than the amount they invested and not lose out. Hence whatever percentage split deal they made with DNA/IMG will need to see profit in multiples to recoup costs.
As far as I know Lionsgate only paid from prints & advertising.
Joe, I noticed on your link that they state the budget is $72,000,000. Given that we have all been discussing a budget of 35-45 million dollars (and imdb estimates it to be $50m), do you think that figure is correct?
Quote from: The Bissler on 08 October, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
Joe, I noticed on your link that they state the budget is $72,000,000. Given that we have all been discussing a budget of 35-45 million dollars (and imdb estimates it to be $50m), do you think that figure is correct?
Yeah, about that.
I've heard 45, 35, 72, and 50 million.
So, which is the real figure, and where's the proof?
Quote from: The Bissler on 08 October, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
Joe, I noticed on your link that they state the budget is $72,000,000. Given that we have all been discussing a budget of 35-45 million dollars (and imdb estimates it to be $50m), do you think that figure is correct?
It's budget + some marketing figuring (worldwide).
Grud on a greenie, the marketing costs almost as much as the film did to make?! Outrageous!
Quote from: The Bissler on 09 October, 2012, 12:11:42 AM
Grud on a greenie, the marketing costs almost as much as the film did to make?! Outrageous!
That's pretty normal over the last decade or more, no? It's why a film needs to recoup twice its budget in order to see profit.
Well depending on how your post is read they technically need to make 4 times their budget, since the cinemas take around half.
Are we throwing distributors in too?
Quote from: PreacherCain on 09 October, 2012, 01:40:37 AM
That's pretty normal over the last decade or more, no? It's why a film needs to recoup twice its budget in order to see profit.
No, marketing's a separate budget. A film needs to recoup twice its budget generally because theatres take around half of box-office.
How do you know the production budget for Dredd was $35m specifically, Joe sir, and if it was, what was the remaining $10m of the overall $45m budget spent on, the 3-D process?
That got me thinking, if Dredd is certain to make it's budget back (pre-sales + theatrical + home release) for Reliance, wouldn't they see fit to go for a sequel if they make a nice little profit off it? If they drop the 3-D for the sequel (because I think it's fair to say that it hurt Dredd at the box-office a lot more than it helped it ultimately), grant the DNA Films' team another $45m budget, put the full weight of said budget behind production values alone, and go with the pro-democracy terrorism/Cursed Earth (the latter of which could be filmed in neighboring Namibia) storyline that Alex Garland has alluded to recently, they absolutely could pull off such a sequel that is totally achievable within their budgetary resources, would provide the audience with a pretty definitive representation of the full strata of Dredd's world onscreen, and would more than comfortably fit in with the more grounded, gritty, heightened-realistic approach to this current and utterly superior adaptation, methinks anyway...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 09 October, 2012, 05:20:31 AM
How do you know the production budget for Dredd was $35m specifically, Joe sir, and if it was, what was the remaining $10m of the overall $45m budget spent on, the 3-D process?
'Cos Alex told him, I suspect!
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 09 October, 2012, 05:20:31 AMThat got me thinking, if Dredd is certain to make it's budget back (pre-sales + theatrical + home release) for Reliance, wouldn't they see fit to go for a sequel if they make a nice little profit off it?
Realistically, it's probably too much of a risk. Although some sequels are break-out hits of a sort (Hellboy 2, say), many don't fare any better than their predecessors. With Dredd, the movie might, as with Serenity, make a decent amount of cash on rental/shiny discs, but that points instead to long-term cult status and not another film.
QuoteThat got me thinking, if Dredd is certain to make it's budget back (pre-sales + theatrical + home release) for Reliance, wouldn't they see fit to go for a sequel if they make a nice little profit off it?
If you invested £1000 in a business, then after 3 years, you got back £1050, I think you probably wouldn't invest in that business again.
As I understand it, most movies eventually break even, but unless they make a significant profit they are considered to be a waste of time from an investment point of view.
QuoteWith Dredd, the movie might, as with Serenity, make a decent amount of cash on rental/shiny discs, but that points instead to long-term cult status and not another film.
I suspect this is correct - even if
Dredd goes on to be the cult classic we assume it will be, and continue to pay out years from now (as happened with for example John Carpenter's
The Thing, a flop on it's cinematic release), by then it will probably be too late to make a sequel, for numerous reasons.
As in the case of a
Firefly/Serenity continuation, it would probably be financially viable to do now, but it won't happen because most of the cast and crew have long since moved onto other projects.
I imagine Anthony Dod Mantle in particular isn't going to be worrying about getting work for the forseeable.
Isn't Dredd a different kettle of fish compared to The Thing? A bit more than a film? It's a name synonymous with 2000ad...and vice versa.
The next two films that have been suggested sound just right, I hope they manage to pull it off financially .Surely a project like Dredd is a labour of love, not simply a quick buck.
I would love a trilogy of Dredd films in the style of the last one.
The next one could incorporate a lot of war scenes, some where betwwen "Block Mania" and "Apocalypse War" with Dredd leading a crack troop of Judges against pro democracy fighters led and organised by foreign agents with access to nukes.
The last film could see a shattered vastly under populated Meg1 coming under threat by the Death Cult Judges who move through what's left of the city like spectres, trying to erase the last of the survivors, they could even be cannabilistic? Only Dredd can stop them.
Quote from: fonky on 09 October, 2012, 04:19:10 PMThe next two films that have been suggested sound just right, I hope they manage to pull it off financially .Surely a project like Dredd is a labour of love, not simply a quick buck.
The film industry doesn't work like that, and a Dredd sequel without the first film doing astonishingly well on rental (and I'm talking way beyond Serenity) would be in danger of becoming some kind of vanity project, along with being a huge financial risk. It's one thing taking a calculated punt, like the studio did with the second Hellboy flick, when the first did reasonably well, but Dredd doesn't look likely to break even in theatres, and that's the problem.
It's a pity the weekend numbers were against Dredd in the US, because it clearly did well mid-week. Even scraping back into the top ten last week would have been helpful.
Yeah, that's a naive view. Movies are a business.
People HAVE made a Dredd movie just for the love of it, they have invested time and money on it with no prospect of financial inumeration. It's a fan film, and it looks good.
It looks good...very, very true. Too good to be true, almost. It can't stand on it's own as a one off though, me personally, I have The Naked Lunch as my favourite cultish film. Dredd requires serialisation, like the strip.
True that movies are a business and all, but I think being an independent production gives it more chance of a sequel then a hollywood franchise.
The people funding this film must have known it was a risk financially, but for some reason they went for it, and I like to believe it was because it sounded really good. If they don't make their money back, instead of cutting their losses they could do another one? The first film was massively well received, and raised awareness, so already you are more likely that the sequel would perform better. If they did it for a smaller or similar budget too, and rebellion got on the case of making a video game to help hype it up before release, I think it would be the hit this one deserved to be.
Also don't get Lionsgate to promote it.
Wishful thinking I know, but I don't think it's too crazy to think a sequel could still happen. Even if it takes several years before they even start trying to make another one, that's still cool with me.
It was 7ish years between Terminator 1&2 and Alien & Aliens, and like 15 years or something between Escape from New York and L.A. Probably lots of other examples but that's just a few that came to mind.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 October, 2012, 10:14:41 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 09 October, 2012, 08:01:07 AM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 09 October, 2012, 05:20:31 AM
How do you know the production budget for Dredd was $35m specifically, Joe sir,
'Cos Alex told him, I suspect!
True.
Ah, I see now, good enough... would that be $35m before or after the 25% rebate on production costs from the South African government, then? I still stand by my assertion that a Dredd sequel would or could be done in the relative short-term if it racks up enough on the home release market, I still think it's improbable but not impossible, but time will tell...
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/10/09/fox-starts-work-on-taken-3-because-theres-just-too-much-money-to-be-made/
Things just get more depressing. :'(
DREDD was a far better film.
No justice in this world.
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 09 October, 2012, 07:43:13 PMThe people funding this film must have known it was a risk financially, but for some reason they went for it
Because it was a calculated risk. The script was solid, and they were creating something for which they thought there would be enough demand. At the cinema, it turns out that wasn't the case, for whatever reasons.
QuoteIf they don't make their money back, instead of cutting their losses they could do another one?
If you're in a hole, why would you dig deeper? Also, although Dredd had to battle against the Stallone movie, a second new film so soon would now have to battle against that
and a fairly poor box-office showing. Indie or not, I don't see why anyone would take such a crazy risk with many millions of dollars.
QuoteThe first film was massively well received, and raised awareness
To some degree, but not by that much. It's pretty clear many people avoided Dredd because they didn't know what it was, despite the positive reviews and advertising.
QuoteWishful thinking I know, but I don't think it's too crazy to think a sequel could still happen. Even if it takes several years before they even start trying to make another one, that's still cool with me.
I think if we're astonishingly lucky, there's a slim possibility the same team (or most of it) could reunite for a sequel if the rental market went absolutely bananas for Dredd. But I still think we're going to see another Serenity—strong sales, strong rentals, some vindication, but no chance of another movie. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see the business case for firing up a second Dredd movie.
Anyone afraid of a series of rubbish direct-to-DVD Dredd movies could follow if the DREDD 3D home video ends up a sleeper hit?
Although... if handled correctly, could work. With the right focus.
You know. Not like Starship Troopers has ended up.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 10 October, 2012, 10:02:31 AM
Anyone afraid of a series of rubbish direct-to-DVD Dredd movies could follow if the DREDD 3D home video ends up a sleeper hit?
Although... if handled correctly, could work. With the right focus.
You know. Not like Starship Troopers has ended up.
Let's not start worrying about these things quite yet...
I did ST3.. It was awful.. Which is a shame..
Compared to ST2, ST3 was quite good. Bag of wank compared to ST1 though.
Does anyone know the up to date figures?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 10 October, 2012, 11:16:22 AM
Does anyone know the up to date figures?
As of yesterday, Dredd had made $12,812,235 in the US.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 October, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 10 October, 2012, 11:16:22 AM
Does anyone know the up to date figures?
As of yesterday, Dredd had made $12,812,235 in the US.
gah! that's not good news is it?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 10 October, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 10 October, 2012, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 10 October, 2012, 11:16:22 AM
Does anyone know the up to date figures?
As of yesterday, Dredd had made $12,812,235 in the US.
gah! that's not good news is it?
No, it's awful. All throughout the production of this film I've been confident that it was eventually going to do well. This is worse than I ever imagined it could be. Totally depressing considering the film is so bloody good.
Don't mean to wallow in the mire, I'm sure everyone feels the same.
It will be interesting to see how well the IDW comic does, in light of the U.S. response to the movie.
Yep, safe to say with those figures that there will be no sequels (and frankly I'd prefer no sequels at all to straight to DVD sequels - and I'd like to think that there are contracts in place to prevent that from happening).
It's sad - very sad, but as others have said we should be grateful that a film like DREDD can still be made at all in the age of Taken 2, Underworld and Resident Evil.
I've seen an alarming amount of people on Twitter saying Dredd was 'boring', and I've come to the conclusion that what they mean is that it didn't have loads of ludicrously staged and choreographed OTT action scenes, because it seems empty spectacle is what the majority want to see above all else in these type of films.
I've been watching Red Letter Media's reviews of the Resident Evil series, and having never seen any of them before (I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole) I'm genuinely staggered at what passes for an action movie these days. If this is what the new generation has grown up with no wonder they didn't respond to Dredd. Their loss.
Dredd was very slightly flabby at the end of the first act, but beyond that I cannot fathom how someone would consider it boring. It rockets along at a fair old lick, and is a pretty dense movie from an action standpoint. Bonkers.
I also get slightly angrier every time someone says/Tweets that Dredd has 'NO story or NO plot'.
What that says to me is that modern audiences have become so accustomed to flabby, convoluted and unnecessarily complex action/adventure movie plots (The Dark Knight series, Prometheus, The Matrix Trilogy, Star Wars prequels etc etc) that they can't appreciate a simple story well told.
QuoteDredd was very slightly flabby at the end of the first act, but beyond that I cannot fathom how someone would consider it boring. It rockets along at a fair old lick, and is a pretty dense movie from an action standpoint. Bonkers.
A lot of people point to a pacing problem with the sequence leading up to and following the miniguns. Sounds like a really fanboyish thing to say, but I found the films pacing to improve a lot on repeated viewings - I guess because you know what's coming the film seems to really flow the second, third+ time round and you can see just how tight it is.
I also don't understand the common complaint of "It wasn't funny/there was no humour in it".
I think the dryness of the humour went over a lot of heads...
Boring my arse. Dredd was lean and to the point. Dredd is a force to be reckoned with, not a simpering hero that agonises over what to do.
Dredd had a dry wit that made me laugh many times. It probably doesn't bode well for the future that so many people found it difficult to grasp.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 10 October, 2012, 01:43:36 PM
No, it's awful. All throughout the production of this film I've been confident that it was eventually going to do well. This is worse than I ever imagined it could be. Totally depressing considering the film is so bloody good.
Don't mean to wallow in the mire, I'm sure everyone feels the same.
It doesn't get any better here. According to the UK Film Council numbers, the film's currently at 28 in the UK charts (big drop from 13 the previous week) with a UK box office gross to date of £4,322 198. A couple of weeks ago, the Guardian film blog noted that "UK distribution rights alone for Dredd are rumoured to have cost significantly more than The Sweeney's entire production budget." The Sweeney's budget was £3 million, so assuming that 'significantly more' might be £4 million (if it's more than that, the story gets worse) then, once you deduct the cinema chains' cut of that £4.3 million, and add on the UK marketing costs, then the UK distributor is possibly looking at a fairly hefty loss here.
Of course, the UK DVD rights may have been part of the package, which would help significantly later down the line.
Quote from: Judge von Boom on 10 October, 2012, 02:29:42 PM
Dredd had a dry wit that made me laugh many times. It probably doesn't bode well for the future that so many people found it difficult to grasp.
How do you quantify many though? I've heard 'many' say the opposite to all these arguments but considering how few people went to see it in comparison to Looper or Taken and considering that it reviewed well with both critics and punters, it can be hard to generalise.
It's down to "many" people being in the dark about what the film is about. They can"t, or won't let themselves, hear the music in it all. Most just want a quick fix. There are also depths to that film, which is quite differant to "many" action movies... I put this dowqn to the heritage of 2000ad and the amount of talent pooled into that publication over the decades.
It's the way of the world—why do you think so many people 'enjoy' the guaranteed mediocrity of McDonald's, rather than trying something new when wanting to grab a bite to eat while out shopping. When spending cash, people would rather go for something they know will be OK rather than risk money on something they might not like.
Aye.....(sighs)... Well at least we can regard ourselves as the self elect.
Majority of cinema goers i'd hazard a guess don't read online reviews before they go see a movie. Some might see an ad and think they fancy it...others just rock up at a cinema and choose..Just don't think Dredd had enough footfall appeal
Quote from: GordonR on 10 October, 2012, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 10 October, 2012, 01:43:36 PM
No, it's awful. All throughout the production of this film I've been confident that it was eventually going to do well. This is worse than I ever imagined it could be. Totally depressing considering the film is so bloody good.
Don't mean to wallow in the mire, I'm sure everyone feels the same.
It doesn't get any better here. According to the UK Film Council numbers, the film's currently at 28 in the UK charts (big drop from 13 the previous week) with a UK box office gross to date of £4,322 198. A couple of weeks ago, the Guardian film blog noted that "UK distribution rights alone for Dredd are rumoured to have cost significantly more than The Sweeney's entire production budget." The Sweeney's budget was £3 million, so assuming that 'significantly more' might be £4 million (if it's more than that, the story gets worse) then, once you deduct the cinema chains' cut of that £4.3 million, and add on the UK marketing costs, then the UK distributor is possibly looking at a fairly hefty loss here.
Of course, the UK DVD rights may have been part of the package, which would help significantly later down the line.
Are the figures for the UK so bad?What total would you realistically expect from just the UK box office?Dredd has made 3 times more than Resident Evil, more than the Sweeney and is not a million miles behind Total Recall with its big budget.Dredd was always going to be a bit niche so ,although the figures so far for the US are poor, how much were they really expecting just from the UK box office?I don't think the distributors would pay so much for Dredd unless DVD sales were included, so hopefully they won't lose out.
If it was equal quality to this Dredd I would be happy with a direct to DVD. Yeah 'direct to DVD' brings up the idea it is cheap and shit, but I think people would still check it out. I think this one is gonna do really well on dvd/blu-ray so a lot more people will see it. Then when it comes to a sequel there will be a built in audience, plus maybe some new people that will see it, and then go back and get the first one too!
And with all the ways you can advertise stuff for free now a days you probably wouldn't have to spend much on the promotion side of things. All it would take is a facebook page and release a trailer on youtube which all the film websites would pick up on and share raising awareness.
Quote from: radiator on 10 October, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
Yep, safe to say with those figures that there will be no sequels (and frankly I'd prefer no sequels at all to straight to DVD sequels - and I'd like to think that there are contracts in place to prevent that from happening).
It's sad - very sad, but as others have said we should be grateful that a film like DREDD can still be made at all in the age of Taken 2, Underworld and Resident Evil.
I've seen an alarming amount of people on Twitter saying Dredd was 'boring', and I've come to the conclusion that what they mean is that it didn't have loads of ludicrously staged and choreographed OTT action scenes, because it seems empty spectacle is what the majority want to see above all else in these type of films.
I've been watching Red Letter Media's reviews of the Resident Evil series, and having never seen any of them before (I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole) I'm genuinely staggered at what passes for an action movie these days. If this is what the new generation has grown up with no wonder they didn't respond to Dredd. Their loss.
Oh dear! I don't know what film they watched but the Dredd I saw at the cinema's was anything
but boring! And i'm with you too - I do not want to see any direct-to-DVD films of Dredd. I would rather have this one solid film over
that possibilty. It's a shame really because I would loved to have seen where a sequel would go. Now it look's like we'll never know. : (
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 10 October, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
It's the way of the world—why do you think so many people 'enjoy' the guaranteed mediocrity of McDonald's, rather than trying something new when wanting to grab a bite to eat while out shopping. When spending cash, people would rather go for something they know will be OK rather than risk money on something they might not like.
I think I know you from another forum mate! :D
You know the one about films and other bits and bobs? I'm known as Nexus Wookie over there.
Quote from: Mabs on 10 October, 2012, 07:15:03 PM
I do not want to see any direct-to-DVD films of Dredd. I would rather have this one solid film over that possibilty.
Gotta say I don't think I'd be keen on direct to DVD editions, they don't have a history of being worth a bucket of warm shit. If we're going to talk about different options I'd rather see a TV series.
But for now one great movie is a good enough for me, and it's a great legacy.
Quote from: judge devs on 10 October, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: Mabs on 10 October, 2012, 07:15:03 PM
I do not want to see any direct-to-DVD films of Dredd. I would rather have this one solid film over that possibilty.
Gotta say I don't think I'd be keen on direct to DVD editions, they don't have a history of being worth a bucket of warm shit. If we're going to talk about different options I'd rather see a TV series.
But for now one great movie is a good enough for me, and it's a great legacy.
I have to say Devs, that TV series sounds really good! Just looking at shows like Battlestar Galactica, and Game of Thrones - i'd love to see a Dredd series up there with them in terms of thrills and quality. It's a brilliant idea in my opinion. And like you say, much better than the direct- to-DVD route. But we'll just have to wait and see. I've got my fingers crossed! :D
Had a good chat with some good friends who I coerced into going to see Dredd on opening night. They all uniformly loved from top to bottom. Loved Dredd, loved Anderson, loved the violence, loved the whole thing. Some of them went to see it more than once. They were all utterly exhilarated after watching it.
But...
...they told me after that there was no way in hell they would have gone to see it had I not been the one raving about it. They said they felt the poster made it look like a bad, cheap superhero movie; putting "3D" at the end of a movie title put them off because it made it sound "gimmicky" and they knew nothing about it. The posters were everywhere (Seriously. They were. You couldn't drive down the street without having your eyes gouged by Dredd) but they knew nothing about Dredd and the movie just didn't interest them in any way, shape or form bar my incessant ranting about how great it was. These are Dredd's prime demographic, by the way: Creative, arty, nerdy, movie and comic fans. Once again, these people fucking loved it once they'd seen it but if I'd just not spoken about it, they never would have been attracted to see it. I can only assume that same malady hit the general public.
I had originally posted in here that it was a tad unfair Lionsgate were getting the blame for their marketing and I'm still in two minds as to what to think. Was the marketing underwhelming? Do people just not care enough about a Dredd movie? Is it too niche...? Is there no audience left for a hard R rated action movie? (Expendables 2 was a box office disappointment just a few weeks before...) Is it all of these factors combined?
I don't know. I'm terribly disappointed. Not just because it's Dredd but because it's a great movie on top of it all. If I had never read a Dredd comic in my life, I would have still loved it because it's right in that golden spot of movies I love. Pulpy, crackling, raw and inventive within a confined budget. Makes you fill in the blanks sometimes because they couldn't afford to spoonfeed it to you but it makes the movie better because of that! Love it when movies do that. Magnum Force, Mad Max, Road Warrior, Escape From New York, The Thing, 28 Days Later, Dredd.
Quote from: GordonR on 10 October, 2012, 02:37:17 PM
A couple of weeks ago, the Guardian film blog noted that "UK distribution rights alone for Dredd are rumoured to have cost significantly more than The Sweeney's entire production budget." The Sweeney's budget was £3 million, so assuming that 'significantly more' might be £4 million (if it's more than that, the story gets worse) then, once you deduct the cinema chains' cut of that £4.3 million, and add on the UK marketing costs, then the UK distributor is possibly looking at a fairly hefty loss here.
Entertainment paid $7 million for the UK distribution rights, apparently (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Development))
And just to add to what I wrote above, they all had the same problem convincing people they knew that Dredd was worth seeing. Such a fucking shame. Wouldn't even mind it tanked but it tanked hard and that part is so unfair. Deserves far better. There's only one showing in the local multiplex now. 11.15pm and that'll be gone from everywhere this Friday.
Quote from: blackmocco on 10 October, 2012, 08:44:53 PM...they told me after that there was no way in hell they would have gone to see it had I not been the one raving about it. They said they felt the poster made it look like a bad, cheap superhero movie; putting "3D" at the end of a movie title put them off because it made it sound "gimmicky" and they knew nothing about it. The posters were everywhere (Seriously. They were. You couldn't drive down the street without having your eyes gouged by Dredd) but they knew nothing about Dredd and the movie just didn't interest them in any way, shape or form bar my incessant ranting about how great it was. These are Dredd's prime demographic, by the way: Creative, arty, nerdy, movie and comic fans. Once again, these people fucking loved it once they'd seen it but if I'd just not spoken about it, they never would have been attracted to see it. I can only assume that same malady hit the general public.
I had originally posted in here that it was a tad unfair Lionsgate were getting the blame for their marketing and I'm still in two minds as to what to think. Was the marketing underwhelming?
I think it's a fair enough comment to say that Dredd is something of a return (in a good way) to the sort of action movies we saw in the 80s, as various reviews have mentioned. However the marketing campaign (especially the trailer and 'rooftop' poster) also seemed to be a throwback to the 80s and well, that just isn't going to work in the present day marketplace. Certain 80s action movies still have much to recommend them, 80s marketing campaigns...
really not so much.
Could someone lock this thread as it severely depresses me, but dagnabbit I can't stop reading it. It's like an itch that won't go away and you have to keep scratching it.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 10 October, 2012, 09:04:42 PM
Could someone lock this thread as it severely depresses me, but dagnabbit I can't stop reading it. It's like an itch that won't go away and you have to keep scratching it.
We'd only start another one.
Quote from: Mabs on 10 October, 2012, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 10 October, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: Mabs on 10 October, 2012, 07:15:03 PM
I do not want to see any direct-to-DVD films of Dredd. I would rather have this one solid film over that possibilty.
Gotta say I don't think I'd be keen on direct to DVD editions, they don't have a history of being worth a bucket of warm shit. If we're going to talk about different options I'd rather see a TV series.
But for now one great movie is a good enough for me, and it's a great legacy.
I have to say Devs, that TV series sounds really good! Just looking at shows like Battlestar Galactica, and Game of Thrones - i'd love to see a Dredd series up there with them in terms of thrills and quality. It's a brilliant idea in my opinion. And like you say, much better than the direct- to-DVD route. But we'll just have to wait and see. I've got my fingers crossed! :D
TV show has been discussed a number of times on this thread and others, partly because Alex Garland mentioned it as a logical progression, but there are issues. GoT has a huge budget, $6M per episode allegedly, and Galactica's was a more modest $1.5M-$2M per episode. Assuming you could raise the funds to make one, securing good slots that will not only attract viewers and more importantly adertisers is hellishly hard in the States. Given the 'success' of Dredd in the states selling it to US TV channels would be hard work to say the least. There are plenty of good shows that suffered in bad schedule slots, Firefly being the obvious one.
But it would be a really nice idea if it could be pulled off, because youo get into some really serious story arc's.
Quote from: blackmocco on 10 October, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
And just to add to what I wrote above, they all had the same problem convincing people they knew that Dredd was worth seeing. Such a fucking shame. Wouldn't even mind it tanked but it tanked hard and that part is so unfair. Deserves far better. There's only one showing in the local multiplex now. 11.15pm and that'll be gone from everywhere this Friday.
I have to admit, everyone I took to see it were lapsed 2000ad readers or comic/sci-fi heads anyway and were an easy sell. I have spent months selling this to non 2000ad/comic mates and really had a hard time getting them interested.
I'm gonna win a fuck off Euromillions roll over and a movie for us and fuck the money :)
If I won the lottery I'd still blow it all on women and having a good time, I'm afraid. Happily, there is more chance of a Dredd sequel happening than there is of that.
Quote from: blackmocco on 10 October, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
And just to add to what I wrote above, they all had the same problem convincing people they knew that Dredd was worth seeing. Such a fucking shame. Wouldn't even mind it tanked but it tanked hard and that part is so unfair. Deserves far better. There's only one showing in the local multiplex now. 11.15pm and that'll be gone from everywhere this Friday.
Seen Dredd lots of times, dragged a number of folk along who ALL really enjoyed it (no bullshit), but it was ,like you experienced,very hard to convince others to go and see it.The 95 mess really put them off and a few mentioned the 3D too,so most said they'll just see it on DVD.I've looked at other US releases and they usually hang around for a while, albeit in a diminishing number of theatres so I doubt Dredd will vanish quite as soon as this Friday as far as the whole of the US goes.
So frustrating (I'm with you Judge Devs on the Euromillions :thumbsup: :)), just wonder if Dredd really had any chance. The 3D, the 18 cert, the violence (all these I thought were totally right for this film by the way), the 95 'movie', the lack of awareness or 2D prints,, the trailers that didn't have impact or really convey what Dredd was about, all worked against it.
Well, what would have helped?A big Premier both here and in the US might have been a good idea and getting some big names to endorse it eg an advance screening with figures such as Josh Wheldon , Zak Snyder, Stan Lee et al.It would have to come out of a limited marketing budget of course ,and the second part may have been difficult to arrange (if not these names suggested some celebrity endorsement would have been welcome),but it could have been worth it.The two month blitz of publicity before release worked well in terms of coverage (if not content)with lots of positve reviews thrown in, but it takes time for something 'new' to perculate down to joe public, which is why I thought teasers should have been shown a lot further in advance, despite the competition from TDKR and Prometheus ,making it clear Dredd was coming after. Dredd needed to be slowly built up so it became a curiosity ,something different ,that needed to be checked out eg like Cloverfield.Just throwing out some ideas, then again Bladerunner, a fantastic film flopped at the box office, maybe it just couldn't be done.
Ha, just reading about how difficult to get people to go reminded me of when I was drunk one time, it actually got to the point where I had someone in a head lock trying to get them to check out Dredd and they were just down right refusing to give it a chance.
I think the advertising did get better towards release, the trailer with the cool rock music kicked ass. But I suppose most people would have decided after watching the La Roux one. Which had all those text bits in-between clips like "and now he has to durp de durp de drurp de durr" which is just really generic and boring.
I think in the end it was down to Lionsgate, as the product itself was solid.
Out of a room full of so-called movie fanatics, I only managed to drag 2 to go see Dredd.. One even went so see Looper, Taken 2, but refused outright to see Dredd.. The others I had to remind that it in fact has left the theatres..
Last time I make a movie for those people..
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 October, 2012, 11:56:40 PM
the trailer with the cool rock music kicked ass. the La Roux one.
I thought that was a good trailer too.The other US trailers though were perhaps too generic.
It's being dropped from Odeon Liverpool One today as well. Only two other places keep hold of it for another week, which means I'd have to visit Manchester if I wanted to see it again.
URGH..
Quote from: Stan on 11 October, 2012, 01:17:35 AM
which means I'd have to visit Manchester if I wanted to see it again.
URGH..
That sounds like a miserable experience ;)
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 11 October, 2012, 12:56:12 AM
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 10 October, 2012, 11:56:40 PM
the trailer with the cool rock music kicked ass. the La Roux one.
I thought that was a good trailer too.The other US trailers though were perhaps too generic.
Yeah, I don't think the first trailer was a problem, I thought it was very, very stylish and sold the movie well as a sci-fi actioner with a really lush visual style. Just thinking about it makes me desperate to own the film on blu-ray to watch more and more.
Only got to see it the once, due to almost Tordelbackian levels of skintitude :(
Quote...they told me after that there was no way in hell they would have gone to see it had I not been the one raving about it. They said they felt the poster made it look like a bad, cheap superhero movie; putting "3D" at the end of a movie title put them off because it made it sound "gimmicky" and they knew nothing about it. The posters were everywhere (Seriously. They were. You couldn't drive down the street without having your eyes gouged by Dredd) but they knew nothing about Dredd and the movie just didn't interest them in any way, shape or form bar my incessant ranting about how great it was. These are Dredd's prime demographic, by the way: Creative, arty, nerdy, movie and comic fans. Once again, these people fucking loved it once they'd seen it but if I'd just not spoken about it, they never would have been attracted to see it. I can only assume that same malady hit the general public.
I remember when one of the big movie blogs did a passionate article pleading people to go and see Dredd. There were loads of comments at the end of the article agreeing with the sentiment, and then one of some bloke saying "Nah, I don't believe you. I still think it looks terrible".
That about sums it up. Seems like a lot of people had already made their minds up about this film and just wouldn't budge.
I don't understand it myself - even as a non Dredd fan - if a genre movie was getting such good reviews I would have been there like a shot regardless.
Horse to water and all that.
Not sure if it would have made a difference if they'd been able to factor in making a Dredd primer - a 5 minute short released online in the month or so before the release.
Not anything from the film, but something that gives a taster of what to expect.
But with Hungry Hippos and Monopoly both getting optioned after Battleship - I don't particularly want to set foot in a cinema again at the moment.
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 October, 2012, 09:39:35 AM
But with Hungry Hippos and Monopoly both getting optioned after Battleship - I don't particularly want to set foot in a cinema again at the moment.
Sweet mother of God. I swear I did a quick search to make sure I wasn't going to make a fool of myself by responding to this questioning if you were being serious... you were and that makes me so very, very sad.
Hungry Hippos starring Liam Neeson presumably.
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 October, 2012, 10:14:20 AM
Hungry Hippos starring Liam Neeson presumably.
It would be a better option than Taken 3...
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 October, 2012, 09:39:35 AM
Horse to water and all that.
Not sure if it would have made a difference if they'd been able to factor in making a Dredd primer - a 5 minute short released online in the month or so before the release.
Not anything from the film, but something that gives a taster of what to expect.
But with Hungry Hippos and Monopoly both getting optioned after Battleship - I don't particularly want to set foot in a cinema again at the moment.
As I said earlier, I think they should have released the first few minutes of the film online a week before release, the whole opening monologue, up to where Dredd says "I'm taking them out".
Would have done a much better job of selling the film than the trailer did IMO.
Maybe, I don't think there's enough of a hook in the first few minutes personally.
It's all academic now.
Im sure its been said elsewhere but you can factor in cinemas being a massive rip off. There'd be more incentive to take a punt on something if you were'nt paying £10 a pop. I love the 'cinema experience' but these days it takes the royal piss.
I don't get the 'cinema is expensive' argument.
You'd spend well over a tenner if you were sitting in a pub or coffee shop for a couple of hours.
There are also many discounts and concessions available, such as matinee shows, Orange Wednesday or Cheap Tuesdays.
You can also sneak your own snacks/drinks in if you resent paying cinema prices.
I went to see Moonrise Kingdom in my local fleapit cinema and it cost something like £3.50 a ticket!
Picture and sound were a bit shit (and auditorium very stuffy) but still.
Quote from: radiator on 11 October, 2012, 11:29:08 AM
I don't get the 'cinema is expensive' argument.
You'd spend well over a tenner if you were sitting in a pub or coffee shop for a couple of hours.
There are also many discounts and concessions available, such as matinee shows, Orange Wednesday or Cheap Tuesdays.
You can also sneak your own snacks/drinks in if you resent paying cinema prices.
I do all that plus sneak in and bring my own snacks but £10 any given day all concessions aside makes the thrift sensibilities take a grip and sit it out til its a few quid on dvd. The exception being when its a film I really want to see. My point was though that your regular punter isnt going to spend £10 on a genre film they are'nt sure about.
QuoteMy point was though that your regular punter isnt going to spend £10 on a genre film they are'nt sure about.
District 9 seemed to do alright.
Quote from: radiator on 11 October, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
I went to see Moonrise Kingdom in my local fleapit cinema and it cost something like £3.50 a ticket!
Picture and sound were a bit shit (and auditorium very stuffy) but still.
More of this sort of thing. Wish there were more fleapits left. Theres an anti piracy ad on in the cinema at the moment and it shows a dusty run down old school cinema with its patrons fading away and my first thought was it reminded me of the long gone cinema my dad took me to see Krull in and how I would'nt mind seeing films in a picturehouse like that today. I bet it'd be £1.25p admission.
Quote from: radiator on 11 October, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
QuoteMy point was though that your regular punter isnt going to spend £10 on a genre film they are'nt sure about.
District 9 seemed to do alright.
That was a couple of years ago though in fairness. In that time Ive noticed my own cinema going habits have decreased considerably (and Im someone who likes to see films in the cinema) and theres been a general drop in attendances since then.
I got £4ish change from a twenty when I saw Dredd and all I got was a regular coke,factor in parking charges and it's no wonder folk wait for the dvd.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 10 October, 2012, 11:37:27 PM
Seen Dredd lots of times, dragged a number of folk along who ALL really enjoyed it (no bullshit), but it was ,like you experienced,very hard to convince others to go and see it.The 95 mess really put them off and a few mentioned the 3D too,so most said they'll just see it on DVD.I've looked at other US releases and they usually hang around for a while, albeit in a diminishing number of theatres so I doubt Dredd will vanish quite as soon as this Friday as far as the whole of the US goes.
So frustrating (I'm with you Judge Devs on the Euromillions :thumbsup: :)), just wonder if Dredd really had any chance. The 3D, the 18 cert, the violence (all these I thought were totally right for this film by the way), the 95 'movie', the lack of awareness or 2D prints,, the trailers that didn't have impact or really convey what Dredd was about, all worked against it.
Well, what would have helped?A big Premier both here and in the US might have been a good idea and getting some big names to endorse it eg an advance screening with figures such as Josh Wheldon , Zak Snyder, Stan Lee et al.It would have to come out of a limited marketing budget of course ,and the second part may have been difficult to arrange (if not these names suggested some celebrity endorsement would have been welcome),but it could have been worth it.The two month blitz of publicity before release worked well in terms of coverage (if not content)with lots of positve reviews thrown in, but it takes time for something 'new' to perculate down to joe public, which is why I thought teasers should have been shown a lot further in advance, despite the competition from TDKR and Prometheus ,making it clear Dredd was coming after. Dredd needed to be slowly built up so it became a curiosity ,something different ,that needed to be checked out eg like Cloverfield.Just throwing out some ideas, then again Bladerunner, a fantastic film flopped at the box office, maybe it just couldn't be done.
I pretty much agree with all of this, and the most annoying thing is even just amongst those of us posting on here we have drawn up a pretty extensive 'lessons learnt list' which will probably never get referred to by anyone other then fans. There is every possibilty that a great plan (lets be honest we've already debated it to death) could be put together to make a great and succesful sequel, but unless someone is willing to potentially spunk away several ten's of millions of dollars it is never likely to happen.
I forget who it was that was making a well made point about the movie industry being at the end of the day a business and that no one would invest in anything that might make them a 10% return in 10 years. Sadly the movie industry is not a dream factory. :(
Come on you Euromillions! :D :lol:
Box Office mojo have not updated their foreign earnings listings total, but from the list they have posted we have, to date.
Domestic $12.9 million.
Foreign $16.5 million
Total $29.4 million
Boxoffice.com are always more accurate:
Worldwide Gross: $31,795,781
Quote from: judge devs on 11 October, 2012, 12:32:23 PMI forget who it was that was making a well made point about the movie industry being at the end of the day a business and that no one would invest in anything that might make them a 10% return in 10 years. Sadly the movie industry is not a dream factory. :(
Come on you Euromillions! :D :lol:
Maybe someone could persuade George Harrison to fund it? Oh, wait...
"Sadly the movie industry is not a dream factory"
....more of a dream dump.
Quote from: fonky on 11 October, 2012, 03:55:12 PM
"Sadly the movie industry is not a dream factory"
....more of a dream dump.
All too often, all too true >:(
Not sure where that other thread went, but Dredd's opening in the Netherlands today (and I'll be badgering my dad into going to see it in the theatre, as opposed to happily telling me he downloaded 'that movie you worked on').. reviews are positive as ever.
It's all done and dusted in Bristol now, I can certainly say that. Last screenings at the last two cinemas showing it were last night. I caught the last two 2D screenings back to back last night as I couldn't let the last showings go unseen, I'd have kicked myself at missing the last opportunity to see it on the big screen.
So I 've managed to catch the very first and very last showings in my home town. All in all 6 in 3D, 3 in 2D. Gotta say I think I really did prefer the 2D.
I don't know how many other places are still showing it, but I'm assuming there won't be many outside the large population centres like London, Manchester, Brum and possibly Leeds/Bradford?
It was still in Swansea yesterday..
Dredd is still showing at the Odeon in Manchester, a venue I haven't visited..........yet.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 October, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
Dredd is still showing at the Odeon in Manchester, a venue I haven't visited..........yet.
LOL, Surely there aren't any cinemas in Britain you haven't seen this film in?
Quote from: judge devs on 12 October, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 12 October, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
Dredd is still showing at the Odeon in Manchester, a venue I haven't visited..........yet.
LOL, Surely there aren't any cinemas in Britain you haven't seen this film in?
Somebody needs to keep our economy afloat ;)
Yeah we should have thought about this sooner, campaigned for the Chancellor to make it mendetory for everyone to go and see Dredd at least once. Roughly, 45 million people older the 18 in the UK, average of £10 a ticket, plus munch and drinks at another £5 (ish) that's £675M (or $1.1 Billion :D) injected in the economy.
Not to mention more sequels then we could shake a stick at.
Went to the Odeon Cinema Manchester last night with the girlfriend to bid farewell to Dredd on the big screen.
It was inside a large arcade with lots of bars and resturants, which was handy as it was a late night showing (11.35pm).Had a meal followed by a coffee at Cafe Rouge by the entrance which provided impromptu outside entertainment in the form of a mass brawl.Watching from the safety of our table at the window and whilst delicately sipping our lattes as the fists flew,we witnessed six policemen with the help of no less than eight security men make four arrests (no judges appeared to be available), whilst a chorus of screaming women also made their helpful prescence felt.Three police cars and two police vans (one with exciting name 'Tactical Unit' emblazoned on the side ) turned up.
Alas ,all too soon, the play , disturbance was over and we finished our drinks and made our way to the cinema.
Headcount -14, snacks Nachos (extremely salty :().Ah well it was good whilst it lasted and with this we said adieu to cinematic Dredd .
"Not with a bang, but a whimper"....?
This is why we don't visit Manchester, kids.
Weird though. Do they have a Cafe Rouge outside of every Odeon? This is Liverpool One..
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Looks like Mega-City 1
I was in there quite recently as I was doing some gigs in Liverpool and we had some time to kill. We were going to watch Dredd but ended up getting drunk instead.
Our Odeon has a Costa and Cadawaler..
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 14 October, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
We were going to watch Dredd but ended up getting drunk instead.
As always, what America does first, we Brits soon follow suit, ;)
Brits were getting drunk long before the Mayflower...
Quote from: Bat King on 14 October, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
Brits were getting drunk long before the Mayflower...
that's because they opened the duty free before boarding..
LOL.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/10/16/dredd-shows-why-the-3d-film-format-is-doomed-again/
Interesting article, seems to lay the blame at Lionsgate ( not sure if blame is the right word?)
I'm sure other distributors like Entertainment Film in the UK had a say in the amount of 2D screenings. Lionsgate only distributed in the US.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 14 October, 2012, 01:28:39 PM
Went to the Odeon Cinema Manchester last night with the girlfriend to bid farewell to Dredd on the big screen.
It was inside a large arcade with lots of bars and resturants, which was handy as it was a late night showing (11.35pm).Had a meal followed by a coffee at Cafe Rouge by the entrance which provided impromptu outside entertainment in the form of a mass brawl.Watching from the safety of our table at the window and whilst delicately sipping our lattes as the fists flew,we witnessed six policemen with the help of no less than eight security men make four arrests (no judges appeared to be available), whilst a chorus of screaming women also made their helpful prescence felt.Three police cars and two police vans (one with exciting name 'Tactical Unit' emblazoned on the side ) turned up.
Alas ,all too soon, the play , disturbance was over and we finished our drinks and made our way to the cinema.
Headcount -14, snacks Nachos (extremely salty :().Ah well it was good whilst it lasted and with this we said adieu to cinematic Dredd .
and that's why I hate the Printworks! You want to see that place around 3am on a saturday/sunday morning. You couldfilm a sequel right there.
Sounds hellish, and that's coming from someone who lives in East London.
Just looked at the figures for District 9, didn't realise it was an R rating for the US, or the size of its US box office take -$115 million (opening was $37 million), different distibutor Tristar.
District 9 is a very good film, Dredd is a very good film, same rating, comparable budget, both unknown quantities (Dredd at least to most under 30 in the US), no big stars in either film (in terms of mass appeal). The 95 film and the 3D were factors ,as was the recession, but the difference in impact enormous.
The remaining gulf has to be the marketing ,where did District 9 go right where Dredd went wrong?
I'm wondering if your first paragraph has answered that?
Interesting Metacrtic comparison.
Dredd - Critics 59% Users 8.5
District 9 - Critics 81% Users 7.9
Quote from: judge devs on 16 October, 2012, 08:32:01 PM
I'm wondering if your first paragraph has answered that?
Interesting Metacrtic comparison.
Dredd - Critics 59% Users 8.5
District 9 - Critics 81% Users 7.9
Yup it looks that way.
Interesting figures, you would have thought the user rating would have meant higher box office.Guess not.
"Where did district 9 go right where DREDD went wrong?" Blandness, I'd humbly opine. The more bland something is, the more mass appeal it will have. DREDD is just simply too far out for most to get there heads around. Ask how many would want to see a film like "The Naked Lunch" . Croenberg is famous and successful with a real enviable reputation and ouvre. That can be multiplied by ten for Burroughs. How popular is it though?
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 16 October, 2012, 10:40:38 PM
Quote from: judge devs on 16 October, 2012, 08:32:01 PM
I'm wondering if your first paragraph has answered that?
Interesting Metacrtic comparison.
Dredd - Critics 59% Users 8.5
District 9 - Critics 81% Users 7.9
Yup it looks that way.
Interesting figures, you would have thought the user rating would have meant higher box office.Guess not.
Those audience figures are relative to the number of people who saw the film, of course.
I think the 3D-only thing was a bigger factor than most people are willing to admit. District 9 had a much better trailer too; Dredd's trailer didn't exactly wow me. It wasnt' awful or anything but it didn't grab me as something that had to be seen in the cinema, and certainly not if I have to pay extra for 3D, an element which I'd prefer
not to have.
Quote from: fonky on 17 October, 2012, 12:58:58 AM
"Where did district 9 go right where DREDD went wrong?" Blandness, I'd humbly opine. The more bland something is, the more mass appeal it will have. DREDD is just simply too far out for most to get there heads around. Ask how many would want to see a film like "The Naked Lunch" . Croenberg is famous and successful with a real enviable reputation and ouvre. That can be multiplied by ten for Burroughs. How popular is it though?
Nonsense. District 9 is a very good film. Even better than Dredd, in my opinion.
Have to agree there, District 9 is phenomenal. Although I am a little surprised at how well it did, hardly anyone I know bothered to go and see it (it was the only film i'd seen twice at the cinema up to that point). I guess a more generic aliens+spaceship+big frikkin' guns and mechs just = better ticket sales than a grimy niche comic character (no matter how awesome) like Dredd.
(Oh and the 3D, my I only got my brother to see Dredd because he didn't realise it was 3D until I handed him the glasses on the way in. :D )
Quote from: fonky on 17 October, 2012, 12:58:58 AM
"Where did district 9 go right where DREDD went wrong?" Blandness, I'd humbly opine. The more bland something is, the more mass appeal it will have. DREDD is just simply too far out for most to get there heads around. Ask how many would want to see a film like "The Naked Lunch" . Croenberg is famous and successful with a real enviable reputation and ouvre. That can be multiplied by ten for Burroughs. How popular is it though?
You seem to be saying that the less well a movie does, the better it is, because the common crowd just don't understand it?
And comparing an action movie like Dredd to cronenberg's art house movies doesn't really work. They are totally different beasts.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 October, 2012, 07:20:36 AM
Have to agree there, District 9 is phenomenal. Although I am a little surprised at how well it did, hardly anyone I know bothered to go and see it (it was the only film i'd seen twice at the cinema up to that point). I guess a more generic aliens+spaceship+big frikkin' guns and mechs just = better ticket sales than a grimy niche comic character (no matter how awesome) like Dredd.
(Oh and the 3D, my I only got my brother to see Dredd because he didn't realise it was 3D until I handed him the glasses on the way in. :D )
Gamer demographic partially? The weapons in D9 have that Half-Life vibe and Blomkamp had a following in that community from the shorts he'd created - it doesn't equate to mainstream success, but after the collapse of his Halo project there was a lot of interest from that side as well.
But the gamer audience for HL and Halo is far going to outstrip a comic audience who are aware or interested in Dredd.
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 October, 2012, 08:27:39 AM
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 October, 2012, 07:20:36 AM
Have to agree there, District 9 is phenomenal. Although I am a little surprised at how well it did, hardly anyone I know bothered to go and see it (it was the only film i'd seen twice at the cinema up to that point). I guess a more generic aliens+spaceship+big frikkin' guns and mechs just = better ticket sales than a grimy niche comic character (no matter how awesome) like Dredd.
(Oh and the 3D, my I only got my brother to see Dredd because he didn't realise it was 3D until I handed him the glasses on the way in. :D )
Gamer demographic partially? The weapons in D9 have that Half-Life vibe and Blomkamp had a following in that community from the shorts he'd created - it doesn't equate to mainstream success, but after the collapse of his Halo project there was a lot of interest from that side as well.
But the gamer audience for HL and Halo is far going to outstrip a comic audience who are aware or interested in Dredd.
Fair point. It also had Peter Jackson's name on it and as you say, the Blomkamp Halo short would have been seen by the videogame audience which is pretty damn huge these days. Credit where it's due however: District 9 was a really good film and it just came at the right time and deserved its success. Dredd was also released in September which, alongside January, tends to be considered the graveyard shifts for films of any kind.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 17 October, 2012, 07:43:22 AM
Quote from: fonky on 17 October, 2012, 12:58:58 AM
"Where did district 9 go right where DREDD went wrong?" Blandness, I'd humbly opine. The more bland something is, the more mass appeal it will have. DREDD is just simply too far out for most to get there heads around. Ask how many would want to see a film like "The Naked Lunch" . Croenberg is famous and successful with a real enviable reputation and ouvre. That can be multiplied by ten for Burroughs. How popular is it though?
You seem to be saying that the less well a movie does, the better it is, because the common crowd just don't understand it?
And comparing an action movie like Dredd to cronenberg's art house movies doesn't really work. They are totally different beasts.
I am suggesting that, yes. Although you have sort of got the cart in front of the horse...the less well a movie is understood the worse it does in popularity. Blandness, plebinisation sells...big muscular hero saves beautiful co starring actress...Dredd and Naked Lunch are neither of these, and I shall compare seemingly disparate films ... Especially when Dredd owes so much to Burroughs.
i think the problem may have been , for the normal non comic viewer, that it may be a future too close to home with a possibility of happening ( MC1), coupled with the reflex ' dont mess with our democracy' headspace.
Even though it was a tough cop action flick, that also americans are a bit further along the 'them and us' , 'fed up with bad bully cop stories in reality' that threefold would have put them off thinking it was a bad concept/idea.
So i think that the trailer 'should ' have had the scene with anderson and dredd when they first arrest the guy, but split the scene up line by line throughout the edit so that you followed the conversaation, but it didnt drag on too long as it was cut up even further, so you had anderson saying hes hte killer, im 99% sure, and dredd responding with 99%s not good enough'..
I think if that 99% not good enough was heard onmthe trailer it would have allieviated some of the thoughts processed when watching to ' hes a real honest cop!'..
then maybe for the poster, some sort of image that instills ' a marshall in the wild west', theres a few shots come to mind, involving the badge, or dual at midday, but something that shows more that he is this tough law enforcer, rather than a menacing shadow, or cheesy comic book character old poster rehash, ( daredevil or something)
thats what i think happened in america anyway
Quote from: Eme on 17 October, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
i think the problem may have been , for the normal non comic viewer, that it may be a future too close to home with a possibility of happening ( MC1), coupled with the reflex ' dont mess with our democracy' headspace.
Even though it was a tough cop action flick, that also americans are a bit further along the 'them and us' , 'fed up with bad bully cop stories in reality' that threefold would have put them off thinking it was a bad concept/idea.
I don't think it's anywhere near as complex as that.
Your average American cinema-goer was not even peripherally aware of any of the themes you mention and I certainly don't think the decision not to see the the film was based on anything other than ignorance of the property and of the film itself.
They didn't know who Dredd was, didn't know enough about the film and had no reason to spend their money going to see it. Simple as that.
Well Dredd seems to have fallen well short of expectations at the box office. :(
I thought it would be successful in America similar in trajectory to the original Blade Film but optimism is a delusion according to Science and it seems American audiences just didn't take to it. Those that did see it seem to have enjoyed it no end so let's hope if the rumoured Button Man Film gets made it appeals to a larger demographic than Dredd did.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 17 October, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Those that did see it seem to have enjoyed it no end so let's hope if the rumoured Button Man Film gets made it appeals to a larger demographic than Dredd did.
It probably will.
The Button Man brand may be known among 2000AD fans and some fans of genre comics outside the 2000AD fanbase, but beyond that, Button Man has ZERO brandawareness. That is a far better to place to be than being associated with Stallone punchline, which Dredd was.
Also they guy who directed Bronson and Drive is attached, so that should get people to come and watch it.
That sounds a bit vague.
The Stallone movie was a farse. Dredd on the other hand was well executed and purged the memory of the '95 dismal failure. 2012v. didn't do well outside the Dredd constituency because the lines between good guys and bad guys isn't so obvious as it is in most mainstream films. Good and Evil merge and blur in Dredd, it's not like Batman, you really do wonder if Dredd is right or wrong in his behaviour. It's a bloody wonderful film. Fuck the bloody capitalists.
Just shy of 35 mil worldwide according to Boxoffice.com, has it been released everywhere now or are there and territories left?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 October, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Just shy of 35 mil worldwide according to Boxoffice.com, has it been released everywhere now or are there and territories left?
Still a few to go:
Hong Kong 18 October 2012
Australia 25 October 2012
Chile 25 October 2012
Taiwan 9 November 2012
Germany 15 November 2012
Switzerland 15 November 2012 (German speaking region)
Belgium 21 November 2012
Has it opened in Japan yet?
I've actually developed a complex series of algorithms that determines that anyone who didn't see Dredd is a c**nt! >:(
I was under the impression it wasn't opening in Japan. That's a whole lot of c**nts.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 17 October, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 October, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Just shy of 35 mil worldwide according to Boxoffice.com, has it been released everywhere now or are there and territories left?
Still a few to go:
Hong Kong 18 October 2012
Australia 25 October 2012
Chile 25 October 2012
Taiwan 9 November 2012
Germany 15 November 2012
Switzerland 15 November 2012 (German speaking region)
Belgium 21 November 2012
Thats quite a few left,wonder what the Jerrys will think of a fascist supercop?Looks like it could pull in it's film budget and if it makes a bit on its DVD/Blu sales like folk are thinking it might...Call me optimistic but I don't think we've seen the last of Dredd,that might mean a bunch of cartoons at least if not a full sequel.
Quote from: fonky on 17 October, 2012, 02:45:22 PMGood and Evil merge and blur in Dredd, it's not like Batman, you really do wonder if Dredd is right or wrong in his behaviour. It's a bloody wonderful film. Fuck the bloody capitalists.
The trouble is that you only know and think this
after or during seeing the film. You can't tell this from the trailers or if you are unfamiliar with Dredd.
I think that the two most obvious reasons are the real reasons Dredd has struggled.
1. 3D - People are getting genuinely sick of it.
2. Dredd is a 'niche' character, even within the comics world, and of limited appeal, especially to the general public.
That's it, sad, but true. Of course we, on a dedicated Dredd fan forum, will argue otherwise, but I think a few people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 October, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
The Jerrys!
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love it
Copy and pasted from The Golden Compass Box office on Wiki.
Makes interesting reading when you look at the US takings Vs ROTWorld, and the distribution deals that went down.
Risky business, this filming malarky.
"The North American opening weekend return was "a little disappointing" for New Line Cinema,[69] earning US$25.8 million with total domestic box office of $70 million compared to an estimated $180 million production budget.[70] Despite this, the film's loss rebounded as its performance outside the United States was described as "stellar" by Variety,[71] and as "astonishing" by New Line.[72] In the United Kingdom, the film grossed $53,198,635 and became the second highest grossing non-sequel of 2007 there (behind The Simpsons Movie). In Japan, the film was officially released in March 2008 on 700 screens, ultimately grossing $33,501,399; but previews of the film between February 23–24, 2008 earned $2.5 million. By July 6, 2008, it had earned $302,127,136 internationally, totaling $372,234,864 worldwide.[70] Overseas rights to the film were sold to fund the $180 million production budget for the film, so most of these profits did not go to New Line.[73] This has been cited as a potential "last straw" in Time Warner's decision to merge New Line Cinema into Warner Bros Pictures.[3] "
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Compass_%28film%29
Quote from: CYCLOPZ on 17 October, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 October, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
The Jerrys!
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love it
There was a German chap over on the Telegraph website and nick names cropped up,someone mentioned 'little Englanders' and he said that they never call us that but STILL call us Tommies or Inselaffe (islands apes),ruddy Bosch.
Quote from: chuffsteruk on 17 October, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 17 October, 2012, 03:03:01 PM
Just shy of 35 mil worldwide according to Boxoffice.com, has it been released everywhere now or are there and territories left?
Still a few to go:
Hong Kong 18 October 2012
Australia 25 October 2012
Chile 25 October 2012
Taiwan 9 November 2012
Germany 15 November 2012
Switzerland 15 November 2012 (German speaking region)
Belgium 21 November 2012
Still waiting on a cinema release date here in Italy.
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 17 October, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
The trouble is that you only know and think this after or during seeing the film. You can't tell this from the trailers or if you are unfamiliar with Dredd.
I think that the two most obvious reasons are the real reasons Dredd has struggled.
1. 3D - People are getting genuinely sick of it.
2. Dredd is a 'niche' character, even within the comics world, and of limited appeal, especially to the general public.
That's it, sad, but true. Of course we, on a dedicated Dredd fan forum, will argue otherwise, but I think a few people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Surely though those involved with making the film knew this, as we ourselves knew this. If that is the case, why express disappointment at the numbers? I'm perplexed. It's too bigger of a risk to take if you already know it will have limited appeal to hope that film fans will suddenly have a Saul to Damascus moment, and suddenly take Dredd to their hearts.
You're right, there are many who need converting. Keep spreading the good word brothers and sisters.
It is so ironic, also, that Dredd is about the only film where the 3D does actually suit it.
Couldn't agree more that the 3D actually suits Dredd very well (not a particular fan of 3D either), it works for this film and adds a lot to it.
Looked at the figures for Sunshine ,another by Alex Garland, a very good film that I bought.It did go off on a tangent in the second half to be a fight against a manic psychotic rather than survival (which I think would have served it better), but very enjoyable nonetheless. This tanked ,not gaining any wide release in the US for some strange reason unknown to me. A solid film with one of the best scores I have heard for a film, yet didn't come any where near fulifilling its potential at the box office. Good films dont always get what they deserve I guess.
Personally I still think it was down to the first trailer more then anything. Of the people who have seen Dredd, it is pretty much universally loved so I don't think it's anything to do with being too niche of a character or anything like that. People love a badass, take the recent success of taken 2 (even though it is absolutely shit) for example.
The Raid and Dredd comparisons have hurt it, and this was definitely down to the trailer. The Raid trailer puts across a similar sounding plot, but it does this much better. When I saw it, I was like "fuck that looks good". Where as with Dredd I was like that, but because I was already a fan and more interested in what the footage looked like, as I had already read the leaked script. I could understand why it didn't jump out at people unfamiliar with Judge Dredd. If anyone had seen that trailer and the '95 Judge Dredd, why would they wanna go see it?
The trailers did get better, but I think it was too late by then as people wouldn't keep track of a film they weren't interested in. The "Awesome" trailer where they used rock music, they didn't even show the plot to the film but it made it look really good. They should have released that first as a teaser or something to get people's attention. Then do a longer trailer revealing the story later. And they should have used the soundtrack from the film instead of La Roux as that was much better.
The most frustrating part is Dredd is better then The Raid, and that's not just because I am fan. It has a much tighter story, with better music and better look. It is just generally much more satisfying to watch, where as the Raid was irritating in many parts as it focused to much on crappy back stories of why certain characters were there, and the fights went on too long. But Raid gets the general favour because it was out first, and is clearly independent, where as Dredd people will think was a big hollywood blockbuster rip off. (well maybe not to that extreme) and therefore hate it before they have even seen it.
Let's see how it does on Blu-Ray, but I have a feeling if nothing else it will stand the test of time and still be seen as a classic for a long time to come.
Hopefully film magazine's like Total Film and Empire will actually show a bit of conviction when reviewing the dvd and bump it up a star instead of being 3 star pussies so people might actually check it out.
Some food for thought in these last few posts. Have to say the Dredd trailer, for me, was a bit groan worthy in places, but how much effect that had in people deciding not to see it, i dont know. And just why couldnt Dredd (seemingly) break out from being niche, to being an attractive proposition for the wider sci-fi/action going audience is as frustrating as hell.
Maybe it was the 3D, or maybe it was the rating that served as a limiter? Or perhaps Stallones Dredd simply cast too long a shadow, for this version to succeed?
For a film that has garnered almost universally positive reviews, and has had brilliant word of mouth, this has left us scratching our collective heads. As i said; frustrating as hell.
Still its pleasing to note that it has a good few places left to open in yet.
Something I'm noticing is that there seems to be a general consensus outside of this forum that Dredd got bad reviews...
I've seen this posted online in various places, but also a friend of mine - a bigger movie buff than me even, said the same thing to me a while ago "Shame the critics didn't like it".
I know it didn't go down quite as well with US critics as it did elsewhere, but the early reviews were astonishingly good. I think some people were so down on the film from day one (the leaked shots, the less than amazing trailer) that they were having a bit of selective hearing about it.
Once again, you have to point the finger at marketing - they simply didn't communicate the positive critical reception, and they had an embarrassingly huge selection of 'Better than DKR/better than The Avengers/Comic adaptation of the year/action film of the year' quotes and four star/five star ratings to choose from.
Someone really dropped the ball on this one. It's almost like they didn't have any faith in the product, so went for the lowest common denominator (wrestling fans) in the marketing, when they should have aimed it at a more sophisticated audience.
Baffling.
Another thing was the media blackout on anything relating to the film all through production. I know there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about this at the time, but now all is said and done, I think it's safe to say they should have grabbed any bit of exposure that they could - they really should have released the production stills and teaser posters as soon as the leaked shots started surfacing to counter the negative buzz. It's fair enough to clamp down on leaks and protect your interests, but at least put out something.
I don't know whose idea this was (I get the impression that it was not DNA or the filmmakers themselves) but they were really shooting themselves doing things like shutting down the unofficial movie blog etc. I defended their strategy at the time, but it's safe to say that it backfired pretty badly - the end result being that hardly anyone was actually aware of the film on its release. With any luck a few heads are going to roll as a result.
As I understand it, since it wasn't a studio film there wasn't an overall decision-maker for publicity during production.
DNA seemed to be very pro involving people, but the blog being shut down was via IMGlobal - and yeah I think that was a mistake, and said so at the time.
It's all very well and good to talk about context, but it's easier to put decent stills out to counter sneaked shots than trying to convince people otherwise.
Although to be honest, I still think that would still not register on the mainstream radar, more genre fans.
There's no way of knowing what effect things being done differently would have achieved though.
Quote from: radiator on 18 October, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
Another thing was the media blackout on anything relating to the film all through production. I know there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about this at the time, but now all is said and done, I think it's safe to say they should have grabbed any bit of exposure that they could - they really should have released the production stills and teaser posters as soon as the leaked shots started surfacing to counter the negative buzz. It's fair enough to clamp down on leaks and protect your interests, but at least put out something.
I don't know whose idea this was (I get the impression that it was not DNA or the filmmakers themselves) but they were really shooting themselves doing things like shutting down the unofficial movie blog etc. I defended their strategy at the time, but it's safe to say that it backfired pretty badly - the end result being that hardly anyone was actually aware of the film on its release. With any luck a few heads are going to roll as a result.
I also defended the news blackout, reasoning that there must be a fantastic marketing campaign ready to roll out that nobody wanted to spoil. As it turned out, they had virtually nothing but a spoof news site and a couple of posters.
If they'd allowed CraveNoir's website to continue, and also released more pics/info, all of us here at the very least would have used the information to plug the film at every opportunity, if only on Facebook, Twitter and blogs. As it was, we had nothing to share with anybody.
They could have let the fans do half the marketing for this film but instead they locked us, and everybody else, out.
I remember the secrecy surrounding the film, just a few photo stills on this forum, surely the main platform for DREDD, and a very short film clip that was gone in a matter of hours...very vague details over the action of the movie. It made area51 seem more accessible.
In one respect Ikm glad I had little idea of what the film would be like because when I first got to see it I was, as I've already said, ecstatic. It was a white knuckle ride all the way through...I kept expecting it to lose pace or go "stallone-ish", but it never did. And it has wider appeal.
I saw an advert for it in The Sun newspaper giving it a 10 out of 10 rating...I'd say the same.
QuoteThey could have let the fans do half the marketing for this film but instead they locked us, and everybody else, out.
This.
And why are they releasing these cool features about the special effects now, when the film has mostly been and gone?
QuoteIt's all very well and good to talk about context, but it's easier to put decent stills out to counter sneaked shots than trying to convince people otherwise.
I remember thinking at the time the set pics were leaking that
any day now, they're going to release some amazing hi res, graded pics of Dredd on the bike and Anderson....
And I waited. And waited...
The closest we got were the posters - about a year later - which were pretty good imo, but there should have been more publicity images, not just a few on-set photos (which, weirdly, mostly seemed to originate on that Karl Urban fansite rather than actually get released via a press release).
graded pics of Dredd on the bike, and some pics of Anderson....
Before anyone makes any smutty remarks. I know you lot can never resist an opportunity.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 18 October, 2012, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: radiator on 18 October, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
Another thing was the media blackout on anything relating to the film all through production. I know there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about this at the time, but now all is said and done, I think it's safe to say they should have grabbed any bit of exposure that they could - they really should have released the production stills and teaser posters as soon as the leaked shots started surfacing to counter the negative buzz. It's fair enough to clamp down on leaks and protect your interests, but at least put out something.
I don't know whose idea this was (I get the impression that it was not DNA or the filmmakers themselves) but they were really shooting themselves doing things like shutting down the unofficial movie blog etc. I defended their strategy at the time, but it's safe to say that it backfired pretty badly - the end result being that hardly anyone was actually aware of the film on its release. With any luck a few heads are going to roll as a result.
I also defended the news blackout, reasoning that there must be a fantastic marketing campaign ready to roll out that nobody wanted to spoil. As it turned out, they had virtually nothing but a spoof news site and a couple of posters.
If they'd allowed CraveNoir's website to continue, and also released more pics/info, all of us here at the very least would have used the information to plug the film at every opportunity, if only on Facebook, Twitter and blogs. As it was, we had nothing to share with anybody.
They could have let the fans do half the marketing for this film but instead they locked us, and everybody else, out.
I did consistently say a YEAR before the film was out that Dredd needed to start putting out material, stills etc, set up a website -anything ,as like Lee says fans would do their work for them and diseminate this far and wide.The blackout was commented on by a few film reviewers and didn't give a good impression (esp after the Directorgate story broke) A short sharp marketing was prefered but Dredd had a lot of work to do to get Joe public involved and to distance itself from the 95 debacle.
When Xmas came Dredd wasn't even listed on many sites or in many newspapers as a 2012 film to look forward to -which to me at the time ,worried me , that TOLD the movers and shavers that they hadn't made their prescence felt.Movies needs HYPE and exposure however its generated.UK and US Premiers with lots of celebs would have been good (it couldn't have cost that much, free drinks usually gets enough letter-openers ;)) -launching the film and showing everyone it was completely different to what they may have expected.
One question to our American cousins -did the US posters have lots of quotes and star ratings on them or were they simply blank.I never saw any posters here except the small ones in the cinemas.
If the product is sound ,which it certainly is, then despite all the other handicaps, the buck stops with marketing.
Just to clarify the above, I am in no way critising Karl, Olivia, Alex or others directly attached to the film, as their personal marketing work, interviews, conferences etc was simply outstanding, they were all excellent ambassadors for the film.
I seem to recall the TV spots had star ratings and quotes.
Any film can manage to scrape together some praise for it's poster - ISTR Jonathon Ross was quoted on the Batman Forever poster, hailing it as "One of the greatest films of all time", but imo the marketers of Dredd failed to really push this angle and make people aware that this film was worth noticing.
QuoteISTR Jonathon Ross was quoted on the Batman Forever poster, hailing it as "One of the greatest films of all time"
I remember Ross talking about this. He had a bet on with Paul Gambicinni (sp?) to see who could get onto the poster, whcih is why he said it.
There was this..
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So, just to catch up: who are we blaming today? Lionsgate or District 9? Or people who are not intellectual enough I understand movies like The Naked Lunch and Dredd?
All this flailing around really isn't helping, is it?
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 October, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
So, just to catch up: who are we blaming today? Lionsgate or District 9? Or people who are not intellectual enough I understand movies like The Naked Lunch and Dredd?
All this flailing around really isn't helping, is it?
Fun sponge.
I blame the Tories & Obama.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 18 October, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
So, just to catch up: who are we blaming today?
You Richmond. We're blaming you. You just didn't do enough to ensure this film would succeed.
Shame on you sir.
Im not really sure what any post-match dissection would be 'helping' anyway. Unless some of us are about to go off and invest £50m in a mid-range comic adaptation and want to avoid the same pitfalls as Dredd 3D, it's all just fans shooting the breeze- which unless im very much mistaken (and i have been before) is the point of this forum.
Nobody likes it, but Dredd 3D crapped out at the box office for a reason. All the reasons stated by Radiator et al above sound like contributory factors to me. I wasnt as enamoured by the movie as some of you, so i'd maybe have some other reasons i think it failed- but this isnt the place to air them. It's a massive shame, whatever happened. The world needed a good, blockbusting, gazillion-dollar-earning Dredd movie seen by millions... if only to warn them of what might happen if they vote Shitt Romney or David Cameron again.
SBT
Quote from: Stan on 18 October, 2012, 03:17:53 PM
There was this..
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Yes, saw quite a few of these in megazines ,newspapers etc, but never actually saw them on any billboards (not saying it didn't happen, just I've not seen any)
Yeah, I only saw one billboard in Scouseland myself and it was kinda hidden in away in a dingey part of town most people try to avoid. There was not a single ad on the side of a bus either.
I'm sure more would have attended if Cameron and Clegg hadn't made the recession worse.
There was a German chap over on the Telegraph website and nick names cropped up,someone mentioned 'little Englanders' and he said that they never call us that but STILL call us Tommies or Inselaffe (islands apes),ruddy Bosch.
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New Model Army wrote a whole song after the singer discovered the Germans often refered to the Brits as 'Island Monkeys'.
Yeah, but Cameron and Clegg made the recession worse on purpose...so they could laugh at people like me.
Someone should tell them to stop!
It's every members fault on the forum that it didn't become a box office smash! If we'd had another 500 pages of debate on the Dredd movie thread about his big helmet it might have caught the general public's eye.
Still on in Norwich, one showing a night at the Odeon at 21:45 every day up to and including next Thursday............
Quote from: flesario on 18 October, 2012, 08:26:42 PM
Still on in Norwich, one showing a night at the Odeon at 21:45 every day up to and including next Thursday............
Only 10 cinemas in the whole of the UK still showing Dredd I think.Now I know you're relatively knew here, and I hate to ask a favour...but if you just by 10 million tickets they'll be a pint in it for you ;)
I'll be going for my fith viewing Sherman, which I feel is just about acceptable. Will be a little emotional when it ends for the last time. My friend did consider buying a ticket or two onlne and not going just to bump it up.
Quote from: flesario on 18 October, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
I'll be going for my fith viewing Sherman, which I feel is just about acceptable. Will be a little emotional when it ends for the last time. My friend did consider buying a ticket or two onlne and not going just to bump it up.
Jeez how many spelling mistakes in my last post (hic ;), kidding)
Knew new
by buy.
Anyway seen Dredd lots of times but your mate offering to buy without seeing -thats what I call a BIG fan, wow.
I think one of the main hinderences to Dredd was the shadow of 95. Many people I have spoken to have said they didn't go to see it because they were not keen on REMAKES or The first one was shit so didn't bother.
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Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 18 October, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: flesario on 18 October, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
I'll be going for my fith viewing Sherman, which I feel is just about acceptable. Will be a little emotional when it ends for the last time. My friend did consider buying a ticket or two onlne and not going just to bump it up.
Jeez how many spelling mistakes in my last post (hic ;), kidding) Knew new by buy.
Anyway seen Dredd lots of times but your mate offering to buy without seeing -thats what I call a BIG fan, wow.
He didn't actually do it though. Still time Paul if you're reading this!
I wonder where the very last showing in Britain will be. I expect there will be a handful of simultaneous last showings on a Thursday.
Quote from: vzzbux on 18 October, 2012, 10:12:26 PM
I think one of the main hinderences to Dredd was the shadow of 95. Many people I have spoken to have said they didn't go to see it because they were not keen on REMAKES or The first one was shit so didn't bother.
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Without a doubt, I simply couldn't persaude some to see it because of it.
PS Vzzbux where is that quote from that you have?
It's the Sith code.
V
KOTOR was an awesome game
There should probably be a comma in the third line. Consistency etc.
Don't get pedantic with the Dark side...leave your grammatical criticims for the one who calls himself Yoda..
Countries awaiting release of DREDD:
Australia 25 October 2012
Chile 25 October 2012
Finland 2 November 2012
Taiwan 9 November 2012
Germany 15 November 2012
Switzerland 15 November 2012
Belgium 21 November 2012
Hungary 24 January 2013
Japan 16 February 2013
That a good handful left then. All those places put together will hopefully be swelling the coffers. Is Germany, for example, typically a large cinema going nation?
Just looking at the dates though, and it made me think 'poor sods' at having had to wait for so long, but then i saw Japan's release date - February!!
yes its been a rather torturous wait down here in OZ, but Thursday it is finally here and i just confimed my cinema has a 3D showing 8.15pm so thats the first one for me. I was getting worried it wasn't gonna get released in our cinema and when i rang this arvo the young girl gave me a heart attack but saying they didn't have it listed as a release this week :o i went into panic mode and asked her to check when they were getting it, oh it doesn't seem to be on the list >:( oh wait there it is sorry it is coming out on Thursday :) :D :lol: oh the releif, damn b*&ch that wasn't funny.
Anyway i recon its going to do pretty well in OZ for such a low population theres still alot of Dredd heads here, one of the few comics you can find on the newsagent shelves not specialist stores.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Radbacker on 22 October, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
yes its been a rather torturous wait down here in OZ, but Thursday it is finally here and i just confimed my cinema has a 3D showing 8.15pm so thats the first one for me. I was getting worried it wasn't gonna get released in our cinema and when i rang this arvo the young girl gave me a heart attack but saying they didn't have it listed as a release this week :o i went into panic mode and asked her to check when they were getting it, oh it doesn't seem to be on the list >:( oh wait there it is sorry it is coming out on Thursday :) :D :lol: oh the releif, damn b*&ch that wasn't funny.
Anyway i recon its going to do pretty well in OZ for such a low population theres still alot of Dredd heads here, one of the few comics you can find on the newsagent shelves not specialist stores.
CU Radbacker
A lot of us had the same problem here in the uk mate with what cinemas were going
to show dredd, i myself only found out my local cinema was going to show it the day before
it came out so i was flappin a bit myself, but it was all worth it in the end as im sure you will
find out when you go to see it :thumbsup:
I had Thursday booked as a day off but had to attend a conference. Will have to wait until Friday to see this. Just saw the Aust/NZ "Empire" magazine at the railway station with Dredd on the cover.
And to add insult to injury, i see that The Sweeney has now taken more money than Dredd, at the UK box office.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 October, 2012, 02:57:30 PM
And to add insult to injury, i see that The Sweeney has now taken more money than Dredd, at the UK box office.
WTF :-\
According to the BFI (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18212/UK-Box-Office-19---21-October-2012) site;
The Sweeney - £4,453,350 Dredd - £4,355,512
Shit really does happen, :(
'' Chavs,thousands of em''
Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 October, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
According to the BFI (http://industry.bfi.org.uk/article/18212/UK-Box-Office-19---21-October-2012) site; The Sweeney - £4,453,350 Dredd - £4,355,512
The Sweeney cost around 2 million sov's, Guvnor; making a sequel almost inevitable. DNA were the original producers of
The Sweeney, until the financing fell through in 2008 and they decided to make
Dredd instead. I'm playing a game of irony-Jenga - can anyone else add to this teetering pile of cruel coincidences?
A sequel? I might watch the first one when it's on ITV2!
I can't be arsed dragging up the post..but it's somewhere on this forum where I said the Sweeney was nailed on to top Dredd..there's a lot more brain dead cinema goers than you give credit for
Quote from: Beeks on 27 October, 2012, 06:33:30 PM
I can't be arsed dragging up the post..but it's somewhere on this forum where I said the Sweeney was nailed on to top Dredd..there's a lot more brain dead cinema goers than you give credit for
Be all the same dumb people that seem to believe professsional Ali G impersonator Plan B is actually a black guy from da hood instead of a middle class white berk. (I'm not a fan).
On the slightly sluggish side of decent-ish opening for Dredd in Australia - number 4, $809K (Australian dollars = £521K), although the monster that is Taken 2 shows just how much money there is to make in that market - $17 million in three weeks.
Damn lack of edit button. May my shame live in infamy.
Quote from: Stan on 29 October, 2012, 03:34:35 PM
May my shame live in infamy.
Well, mine does. Welcome to the club!
Has a link been posted for this site?
Pretty much what we've all been discussing of late, and with similar conclusions.
Five reasons why Dredd failed* (http://whatculture.com/film/dredd-3d-5-reasons-why-it-flopped-at-the-box-office.php/6)
*click backwards for the other Four.
Any updates now that we know it's making the rounds in Asia (or will be)?