If the Millennium Falcon is the fastest ship in the galaxy, then how come the Death Star can chase it so quickly when it returns to the Rebel's secret Yavin base?
Then, after its tracked it down (seemingly) in a matter of hours, how come it spends the best part of a day trying to fly round the planet to get the rebel base in its sights?
Why fly around the planet at all when we know it could just blow it up?
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QuoteIf the Millennium Falcon is the fastest ship in the galaxy, then how come the Death Star can chase it so quickly when it returns to the Rebel's secret Yavin base?
If it is the fastest ship in the galaxy, which it clearly isn't- are you telling me you fell for the old Solo sales patter..??
QuoteThen, after its tracked it down (seemingly) in a matter of hours, how come it spends the best part of a day trying to fly round the planet to get the rebel base in its sights?
Probably something to do with gravity wells around the planet or some such.
That and it increases narrative tension.
Leaving aside the dubious claims of self-confessed scoundrels Solo and Calrissian, it's pretty simple. The Death Star is fast enough when travelling through hyperspace (although it's still slower the Falcon, whose crew had time to get changed, arrange and load more wealth than Luke (but not Han) could imagine, have a combat briefing, borrow a starfighter and run into old friends before the Death Star showed up, and all this taking place after a detailed analysis of its Maguffin/Plans) but once it reverts to 'real' space, it's quite ponderously slow - particularly because because it's allegedly the size of a small moon, and it's negotiating the gravity well of a gas giant (Yavin) to get line-of-sight on an actual moon. Just imagine the gravity/orbital issues.
His Lordship, shouldn't you be out clearing snow?
Quote from: "Tiplodocus"His Lordship, shouldn't you be out clearing snow?
Agggh SHUT UP!!!!!!!
On the Star Wars front though- I had a great in depth conversation with my 7 year old last night about the Sith, why there are two of them and Palpatines motivation in making Annakin kill Dooku.
This is one of the reasons it pisses me off when people slag Lucas. He's created a complex moral tale that gets a 7 year old thinking- and has him understanding the that concept that a bad guy is not bad from his own point of view.
Quote from: "His Lordship rac"Quote from: "Tiplodocus"His Lordship, shouldn't you be out clearing snow?
Agggh SHUT UP!!!!!!!
On the Star Wars front though- I had a great in depth conversation with my 7 year old last night about the Sith, why there are two of them and Palpatines motivation in making Annakin kill Dooku.
This is one of the reasons it pisses me off when people slag Lucas. He's created a complex moral tale that gets a 7 year old thinking- and has him understanding the that concept that a bad guy is not bad from his own point of view.
Yeah, but the problem is he'll grow up screaming that Lucas raped his childhood with bad cgi faux videogame films.
QuoteYeah, but the problem is he'll grow up screaming that Lucas raped his childhood with bad cgi faux videogame films.
Ah, but your 'rape of childhodd' is his generations Star Wars. And Lucas will be dead by the time he's our age...
Quote from: "His Lordship rac"QuoteYeah, but the problem is he'll grow up screaming that Lucas raped his childhood with bad cgi faux videogame films.
Ah, but your 'rape of childhodd' is his generations Star Wars. And Lucas will be dead by the time he's our age...
Lucas will be in carbonite so he'll still be around. I'm sure he'll leave instructions.
QuoteLucas will be in carbonite so he'll still be around. I'm sure he'll leave instructions.
You could be on to something there...
Actually, I did express the opinion to him that I was quite confident there will be more Star Wars movies in the future.
It's too big a buisness to let it drop (and I don't mean that as any critisism- if I owned it, I'd milk it for everything I could!).
Quote from: "His Lordship rac"QuoteLucas will be in carbonite so he'll still be around. I'm sure he'll leave instructions.
You could be on to something there...
Actually, I did express the opinion to him that I was quite confident there will be more Star Wars movies in the future.
It's too big a buisness to let it drop (and I don't mean that as any critisism- if I owned it, I'd milk it for everything I could!).
they'll just be on TV.
There is that... but I can see in my mind a KOTOR movie series waiting to happen...
Quote from: "garageman"Lucas will be in carbonite so he'll still be around. I'm sure he'll leave instructions.
Already done!
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Don't forget there's a Bioware KOTOR MMO in development so soon we'll be experiencing the delights of getting a force push that's a bit more powerful than it was before you killed that Trandoshan.
Your missing the SMALL PRINT.
The Death star is not a SHIP>>>>>>>>>
Quote from: "TheEdge"Your missing the SMALL PRINT.
The Death star is not a SHIP>>>>>>>>>
it's no moon either.
One man's ship is another man's battlestation.
'Not a ship', true, but it has a means of propulsion, travels through a frictionless environment, and must be able to achieve considerable speeds to be useful as a weapon, since it has to travel vast distances of space to get close enough to target planets to threaten or vaporize them. Imagine if it took a year to travel the length of just one sun's planetary system!
Another problem that made me wonder recently - in Space 1999, just how fast is the moon supposed to be tumbling through uncharted space? Fast enough to be menaced by a different alien threat each week, as in Voyager, but not so fast that the Eagle craft flying missions can't then catch up with it again? I can't even begin to work it out. How many times faster than the moon is the cruising speed of an Eagle craft? Why didn't they just evacuate the moon in the first episode?
Geek - Over load me thinks....
in SPACE 1999 - wouldn't the speed be relative as long as the ships didn't go to a stationary object (relative to the moon that is) If everything they encounter is moving relative to the moon then the speed difference is not so much.
Quote from: "House of Usher"Another problem that made me wonder recently - in Space 1999, just how fast is the moon supposed to be tumbling through uncharted space?
as fast as the theme music.
QuoteHow many times faster than the moon is the cruising speed of an Eagle craft? Why didn't they just evacuate the moon in the first episode?
I love you for this, Ush!
Fools! All fictional space craft (except the boring proper science-type ones) move at the Speed of Plot - in other words, they go as fast as they need to go in order to get to the place they need to be in order for the Plot to happen that week. Thus, the Death Star moves only just fast enough for the Rebellion to have formulated a plan to defend against its attack, but not slow enough for them to have made a proper evacuation. This also accounts for the anomalies in Voyager, where, despite being the fastest ship in the Federation, they were regularly overtaken by the 'technologically primitive' Kazon race and that Cardassian woman for two or three years.
Quote from: "Lobo Baggins"This also accounts for the anomalies in Voyager, where, despite being the fastest ship in the Federation, they were regularly overtaken by the 'technologically primitive' Kazon race and that Cardassian woman for two or three years.
Let's not even get into the episode where Tom Paris went so fast in a shuttlecraft that he evolved into a fish.
Quote from: "the shutdown man"Let's not even get into the episode where Tom Paris went so fast in a shuttlecraft that he evolved into a fish.
Let's face it, there are risks. Don't forget your towel.
What about Spaceballs?
QuoteColonel Sandurz: Prepare ship for light speed.
Dark Helmet: No, no, no, light speed is too slow.
Colonel Sandurz: Light speed, too slow?
Dark Helmet: Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed.
Colonel Sandurz: Prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo!
Colonel Sandurz: Sir hadn't you better buckle up?
Dark Helmet: AH! BUCKLE THIS! Ludicrous speed GO!
[upon going into "ludicrous speed"]
Dark Helmet: My brains are going into my feet!
Dark Helmet: [as the ship is going into ludicrous speed] Colonel, stop this thing!
Colonel Sandurz: We can't stop, it's too dangerous! We have to slow down first!
Dark Helmet: BULLSHIT! Stop this thing! I order you, *STOP*!
Is that fast enough?
Quote from: "the shutdown man"Let's not even get into the episode where Tom Paris went so fast in a shuttlecraft that he evolved into a fish.
Ah, well - a prime example of Speed of Plot. Paris clearly hit the
speed that turns Tom Paris into a fish, a velocity unlikely to be hit in any other episode or series, unless they wanted to (which is, admittedly, unlikely). Anyway, the likes of the Borg were able to move at greater speeds (when the Plot demanded it, naturally), so I'm sure that Star Fleet could come up with some sort of anti-turning-Tom-Paris-into-a-fish Field if they really wanted to.
In any case, the first five series of Voyager are seriously hampered by a lack of Jeri Ryan's Boobs. Fortunately, the mistake was rectified by the addition of Jeri Ryan's Boobs to the cast and all the boring characters (ie, everyone except the Doctor) ceased to appear much.
Really, we had to wait 5 whole series for that?? Gosh - it seemed not nearly so long at the time!
There is no real time frame between the falcon leaving the Death star and the Death Star arriving in the Yavin system in the film.
By the time it had arrived the rebels has formulated a plan of attack and were semi-prepared for assault.
Question answered maybe?
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//http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star
this link may help answer your questions
If you're talking confusing time lines in Star Wars films the one that lways got me was in Empire. Now I might be exposing compete ignorance it the one thing that lways bugged me about Empire is that Luke seems to do this entire Jedi training (well clearly not entire as he doesn't finish but hopefully you get my point) from finding Yoda to lifting an X-Wing during the time that Han and co are being chased by the Empire and maybe the first day or so on Bespin. Now either Luke gets from nowt to Jedi in about a three days OR Han and Leia really took a long time shaking that Star Destoryer.... or I missed something and I'm about to get laughed at?
Quote...during the time that Han and co are being chased by the Empire and maybe the first day or so on Bespin. Now either Luke gets from nowt to Jedi in about a three days OR Han and Leia really took a long time shaking that Star Destoryer....
You're not missing anything. However, I can offer you two factoids to help you come to terms with all this.
One: Thanks to the Prequesl, Luke is now at least 1/4 Midichlorian (there, I said it), so all bets are off as to how fast he can 'master' the Force.
Two: The Falcon is travelling
without hyperdrive from Hoth to Anoat (the asteroids) to Bespin. Now, I always assumed that these must be places in the same solar system, and when the chaps and chapesses talk about 'the Bespin system' they mean planetary sub-systems (moons around a gas giant etc.), but a painful read through Wookieepedia will inform you that 'canonically' (hiss, spit) these are separate
star systems, reached on sub-light engines alone. So the real question must be, how many
years was Luke on Dagobah?
Quote from: "TordelBack"Quote...during the time that Han and co are being chased by the Empire and maybe the first day or so on Bespin. Now either Luke gets from nowt to Jedi in about a three days OR Han and Leia really took a long time shaking that Star Destoryer....
You're not missing anything. However, I can offer you two factoids to help you come to terms with all this.
One: Thanks to the Prequesl, Luke is now at least 1/4 Midichlorian (there, I said it), so all bets are off as to how fast he can 'master' the Force.
Two: The Falcon is travelling without hyperdrive from Hoth to Anoat (the asteroids) to Bespin. Now, I always assumed that these must be places in the same solar system, and when the chaps and chapesses talk about 'the Bespin system' they mean planetary sub-systems (moons around a gas giant etc.), but a painful read through Wookieepedia will inform you that 'canonically' (hiss, spit) these are separate star systems, reached on sub-light engines alone. So the real question must be, how many years was Luke on Dagobah?
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