Star Trek

[Tweak72]

I like Enterprise a lot, and I never quite got the dislike for it. Certainly no worse than other series (it's probably my favourite actually although some of the later DS9 and the Voyager episodes when they reached Borg space were good.)  I'm not as keen on it as I was, but it's certainly not bad.

OMG! And I thought I was the only one on the board who liked it. But then again most of the people who hated Enterprise seem to have liked the film. Meh!

[Buddy]

I liked Enterprise too, when I actually managed to track it down, it seemed to change schedule every week, never being on at a regular time week after week.

There was a show called The 4400 that suffered a similar fate, it was sort of a prelude to Heros but much better IMHO but was never on at the same time week after week.

I doubt I seen 50% of 4400 dute to the constant shifting of broadcast time, but what I did se I really emjoyed.

[Mardroid]

Which brings up the most obvious failing of the TNG Treks - a holodeck that can create any fantasy a man can think of and he uses it to go sailing?  I can only speak for myself rather than the entire male population of the planet Earth, but I'm going on the record right now as saying that's not how I'd spend my time, and no, I wouldn't give a toss if someone walked in halfway through.

There was a strong implication (particularly in Voyager and DS9) that some people did use the holodecks for that too. Thing is, it's a family show with moral messages so it's not like they're going to show that on-screen is it?  And if your in deep space, it makes sense to me that you'd use it to do earth based activities like sailing and rock climbing. (And not everyone's into porn.)

[PsychoGoatee]

I loved this movie! Very fun, very awesome. Kirk was a lot more badass than I thought he'd be, and Bones nearly stole the show. Damnit, Jim!    The movie even had a hot green chick (who also will play Scarlett in the GI Joe movie).

I also really loved the future lawman. This is probably the only forum that would appreciate it, but isn't he awesome? "Stop, citizen!". I'd like a movie about that guy's day to day.

[Professor Bear]

And if your in deep space, it makes sense to me that you'd use it to do earth based activities like sailing and rock climbing.

Or you could climb a mountain to get to a brothel - all bases are covered.

(And not everyone's into porn.)

Please explain.

[Roger Godpleton]

I've missed you so much Prof.

[Adrian Bamforth]

I don't know if it urked other viewers but it also seemed to me the credibility bar just seems to have taken a nosedive in this new film? In particular, it seems to be almost effortless for ships to cross between worlds, to the extent that The Enterprise is effectively 'scrambled' to deal immediately with a situation affecting Vulcan. Of course The Enterprise can 'warp', though the ease with which is seemed to flit almost Tardis-like between place negated the whole 'voyage' element of the original premise. If it is that easy, they are hardly explorers at all (though they seem to have dropped that almost entirely - now they are 'peackeepers'...until the closing moments). Similarly, the 'drilling into the planet's core' seemed slighly laughable, while the 'red matter' was barely explained. I would have thought there could be more imaginative methods than just a big laser.

And was it me or did they (whoever runs Starfleet, who don't know who that is) pretty much hand over control of the ship to a novice crew who we're not sure have even been into space yet?

Nothing as drastic as 'Tardis tows Earth' - and it's science fiction of course, with a tradition of holodecks and 'beaming', though if the limits of what is and isn't possible don't seem to have consistency, or seem to be made up on the spot, the less you feel the story is finely honed and not just reliant on the effects and ever-swelling music.

[the shutdown man]

If it is that easy, they are hardly explorers at all (though they seem to have dropped that almost entirely - now they are 'peackeepers'...until the closing moments)

I thought the opposite to be honest. There were a few little comments made here and there that made space travel seem like a big deal in this film, and indeed space itself seemed big. Like at the beginning, the Kelvin's captain says something along the lines of "There's no help for us out here." And the trip from Vulcan seemed to take ages. Maybe that was just the way it was edited, but it gave me the impression that even at high speeds it was pretty far. Sure the Enterprise did it easily, but they've known where Vulcan is for ages now.

[Tiplodocus]

All Adrian says is true.

But I still liked the film a lot - it was a big dumb actioner but it's got enough Star Trek in it to make me grin from ear to ear.  And also enough to make me think that a new series with great episodes that don't involve big dumb action (I'll name "Darmok", "The Perfect Mate" and "The Inner Light" all from Next Generation here as I've seen them recently) may be on the small screen again in a few years time.

They do say something daft like "Seven minutes to Vulcan" as they all set off at warp but I put that down to ships travelling at "the speed of plot".


Foolishly, I read the review in SFX online at lunchtime and it had me choking on my sandwiches. It was full of phrases along the lines of "Star Trek was always about two fisted fun.." (not in the four original series episodes I've just seen) and the utterly ridiculous "Of course, Roddenberry's big mistake was...".

Roddenberry's big mistake - yeah, right.


And I can vouch for the fact that if you had access to the holodeck and unlimited supplies of porn, you wouldn't spend all of your time furiously masturbating.

After all, you have access to the internet and unlimited supplies of porn and *some* of you stop long enough to read comics, type in comments on this forum or go watch movies.

At least I'm assuming some of you stop while doing the other activities.

[Professor Bear]

After all, you have access to the internet and unlimited supplies of porn and *some* of you stop long enough to read comics (or) type in comments on this forum

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have two hands.
DS9 excelled TNG for the non-action episodes, I thought - The Visitor being the best example - but also surpassed other Trek for outright action-oriented stuff like The Siege Of AR559 or Nor The Battle To The Strong - where it was different to see one of a show's main characters was a yellowbelly without being comic relief.

[The Legendary Shark]

It seems to me that, [spoiler:3a2240ca]after Vulcan was destroyed[/spoiler:3a2240ca], the Enterprise would probably spend a little time looking for survivors in space stations/outposts/stranded or damaged ships etc and wouldn't immediately go charging off after Eric Banana. (I thought of this while wondering why it took so long for the Enterprise to go charging off after Eric Banana after [spoiler:3a2240ca]Vulcan had been destroyed[/spoiler:3a2240ca].)

Is it too late for spoilers?

[the shutdown man]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have two hands.
DS9 excelled TNG for the non-action episodes, I thought - The Visitor being the best example - but also surpassed other Trek for outright action-oriented stuff like The Siege Of AR559 or Nor The Battle To The Strong - where it was different to see one of a show's main characters was a yellowbelly without being comic relief.

It also had one of the all-time greats, "In The Pale Moonlight".

I always enjoyed DS9's more light hearted episodes too, like the holosuite baseball one, or even the ones in Vic's nightclub. (Can't remember the names, perhaps all the more reason why I need to go and buy the DVDs...) Or even One Little Ship. Dumb as a mule, but still fun. Comparing those episodes to, for example, the Voyager "comedy" episodes set in the Oirish village shows the difference in the writing.

[The Legendary Shark]

Also



who I love. *sigh*

[Tiplodocus]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have two hands.

I did cover that in my assumption.  I'm always amused by the fact that "I have two hands" means that you have more than the average number of hands.  Something you can say for just about every single body part (providing you have the biologically correct number). And can be used as an amusing chat up line (providing you add a gender clause).


Is it Adrian up above who mentions that the only "themes" of the film are really grief and vengeance so chasing after Nero/Bana rather than helping folk is at least true to the idea of the film?

[ThryllSeekyr]

Is Spock's last name really --- Prime?