Just noticed on 1882 that I can't view the wraparound cover as a single piece of art. Only as two separate pages at each end of the Prog. Would it be possible to put those together so we can see them as the artists intended by turning the tablet to landscape?
Or have I missed an obvious way to do this?
Buy the physical prog, dammit.
S'right. These digital johnnies only have themselves to blame. Oh I've nothing against them, but the prog should be read as Tharg intended: it's Cover and Page, not JPG and CBR.
Quote from: eamonn1961 on 22 May, 2014, 09:42:48 AM
Just noticed on 1882 that I can't view the wraparound cover as a single piece of art. Only as two separate pages at each end of the Prog. Would it be possible to put those together so we can see them as the artists intended by turning the tablet to landscape? Or have I missed an obvious way to do this?
Nope - Al Ewing mentioned at Bristol that he's basically removed the double page spread from his box of tricks, since digital readers either view them as separate pages or at a size that renders dialogue balloons illegible. Every week, I just have to imagine how great
Sláine must look. We digital readers were made to suffer, it's our lot in life.
I've often wondered if the same thing would happen if you buy a digital version of any graphic novel with a double page spread?
Mind you I would hazard a guess that 99% of digital subscribers get physical trade paperbacks....
This I don't understand. When I buy commercial PDFs even the most basic free reader app renders double-page spreads as such - indeed when I make PDFs myself I can specify orientation of individual pages, which would amount to the same thing (simply have an 'A3' page display as landscape). Is it genuinely the case that whatever comics app on the iPad can't do this?
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 May, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
This I don't understand. When I buy commercial PDFs even the most basic free reader app renders double-page spreads as such - indeed when I make PDFs myself I can specify orientation of individual pages, which would amount to the same thing (simply have an 'A3' page display as landscape). Is it genuinely the case that whatever comics app on the iPad can't do this?
The double page spreads don't come as double page spreads; they're split into individual pages. You can sort of cheat a double page spread by coming out of full screen and changing to view two pages close together (with an annoying split in the middle), but in the case of this week's cover the first bit's page one and the second bit is page 32.
Aye, but the question is why are they presented as single pages? Surely the (I don't know what format you're using) file could contain some simple kind of metadata that can identify DPS's to the reader and ask it to render them as one landscape image? Like I say, whenever I assemble a PDF report I'm able to specify page orientation etc. and I'm just using freeware for Ubuntu.
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 May, 2014, 10:57:22 PM
Aye, but the question is why are they presented as single pages? Surely the (I don't know what format you're using) file could contain some simple kind of metadata that can identify DPS's to the reader and ask it to render them as one landscape image? Like I say, whenever I assemble a PDF report I'm able to specify page orientation etc. and I'm just using freeware for Ubuntu
Sorry, got ye now. My copy of
Roses Of Berlin features all those fantastic O'Neill double pagers as God (O'Neill) intended, so it's obviously a choice made by the good folks who produce my digital prog to present Simon Davis's
Sláine spreads as separate pages.
The Comixology app also manges to render double page spreads correctly, or at least it does in the Sandman prologue issues. I'm sure the iPad app could do this, it just needs to be told.
And I do get the physical issues as well, although I will probably go entirely digital when my sub next comes up for renewal.
Quote from: sauchie on 22 May, 2014, 11:13:35 PM...so it's obviously a choice made by the good folks who produce my digital prog to present Simon Davis's Sláine spreads as separate pages.
That
really needs to be fixed. Do we know if Rebellion supplies digi-progs in some sort of raw format to be assembled by a third party, or does the whole comic leave the Command Module fully formatted? 'Cos if it's by Tharg's hand, he needs to be told. I'm just teetering on the brink of moving into the tablet world, and this would be a massive, even decisive, factor in my going digital.
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 May, 2014, 08:57:11 AM
Do we know if Rebellion supplies digi-progs in some sort of raw format to be assembled by a third party
I only read Rebellion's comics to kill time on a Sunday, but the meatballs in their restaurant are to die for and those little wooden pencils (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000AD-830-10-April-1993-2000AD-pencil-free-gift-/321325664132) come in handy.
Quote from: sauchie on 23 May, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 May, 2014, 08:57:11 AM
Do we know if Rebellion supplies digi-progs in some sort of raw format to be assembled by a third party
I only read Rebellion's comics to kill time on a Sunday, but the meatballs in their restaurant are to die for and those little wooden pencils (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000AD-830-10-April-1993-2000AD-pencil-free-gift-/321325664132) come in handy.
Interstellar King Editor Alert!
I like my digital Prog but this double page thing is annoying, especially with the recent Slaine pages and some of the ABC Warriors pages a while back.
All they have to do is stitch the pages together.
You could even have the double page as intended and maybe immediately after them have the pages separate too for easier reading of text.
You can always zoom in to read the text if the double pages are joined.
Come on Tharg, it's the comic of the future so why won't it work in the present?
Comicrack makes double page spreads work by simply turning my tablet on it's side.
But It won't work for wraparound covers because they aren't next to each other. It would be cool if they could be included as a little add on at the end of the prog.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 10 June, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Comicrack makes double page spreads work by simply turning my tablet on it's side.
But It won't work for wraparound covers because they aren't next to each other. It would be cool if they could be included as a little add on at the end of the prog.
My experience of the 2000ad iPad app is the same. Double page spreads - no problem, just turn the pad to landscape. Wraparound covers - no can do. Boo.
Yeah, I just turn the iPad sideways and I see the spread properly. There's so little dialogue in Slaine that the balloons aren't a problem.
Quote from: Timothyjacobs on 11 June, 2014, 12:34:39 AMWraparound covers - no can do. Boo.
Pye explained this in the recent podcast. It's something that's come up at Rebellion HQ, but would require a partial rewrite of the app, and so is therefore seemingly a feature request for the future. From a logic standpoint, the app simply gives you pages from a PDF, one at a time, and then shifts to a two-up view in landscape. With a DPS cover, you'd have to tell the app "put the last page *before* the first page for this issue, but start at the second page and enable people to scroll across" or something similar. Easy in writing, but not a trivial change when it comes to UX.
Sadly there isn't currently anyway to do this in the app. However, I have passed your suggestion onto the development team!
Kind Regards,
Aaron
Why not repeat the front cover at the end of the PDF?
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 10 June, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Comicrack makes double page spreads work by simply turning my tablet on it's side.
But It won't work for wraparound covers because they aren't next to each other. It would be cool if they could be included as a little add on at the end of the prog.
I got around that by editting the cbz file. I converted it to a zip file (which just involved renaming it with a .zip extension instead of '.cbz) so I could access the internal files. As you're probably aware, the pages are named by the page number in the order they're too appear in the reader. I renamed the last page (the back cover ) to a number less than the front cover. So when comicrack positions it, it puts it first, so wraparound cover in two page spread. Rename the file back to .cbz and Robert is your Mother's brother.
You shouldn't really have to go through that rigamarole though... although I found it kinda fun.There have been changes lately in the way Comicrack displays the first page ( or is it the comic format) where this might not work through. There's always a blank screen before the first page in single page mode which means when turning your tablet landscape for double page mode, the first page is set on the right. That ruins the wraparound page thing although you can get around it by scrolling across and keeping your fingers on the screen, but that's pretty rubbish.
So a solution that doesn't require code changes or renumbering shenanigans, might be to just put the two pages of the DPS cover at the end of the PDF file in an order that makes it display with maximum thrill power when you turn the tablet on it's side. Would that be viable?
the digital copy of 1921 includes the full wraparound cover image today.
lovely stuff
Thanks to the Droids for sorting this
Speaking of which.....
I need all the wraparound covers for
Slaine everyone of them....
Starting with
Massimo's, McMaHon's, Fabry's, Bisley's, Lanely's, DavisI need covers for all the
Book of ScarsWould be cool if I could get double page art splitting each story from the
Book of ScarsAll of the
Davis covers.
Of the wraparound covers, I have a few of, but not to all the right scale.....to fit a page.
Please
It's for that project I messing around with.
They are all in the Book of Scars GN, I believe.
Yeah, I was just wondering if anybody would put them up here or is that a bad thing to do?
The Barney site needs updating. If anybody still maintains it.
I assumes a number of identities need to be brought up to date, and especially Slaine.
Needs the covers, done by the team of artist who worked on the Book of Scars progs and then the latest Simon Davis covers.
The Graphic novel section may need all the Slaine graphic novels added as well if you think it matters.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 02 July, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
So a solution that doesn't require code changes or renumbering shenanigans, might be to just put the two pages of the DPS cover at the end of the PDF file in an order that makes it display with maximum thrill power when you turn the tablet on it's side. Would that be viable?
The 200AD Android App actually works magically well for wraparound covers. Colour me chuffed.