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Title: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: judgeurko on 06 September, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
OK another obvious newbie question but realistically (if that is not a silly thing to say) how long can Dredd continue to patrol the streets of Mega City 1 & how do you think John Wagner will address this. Dredd must be in his 70s now?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Steve Green on 06 September, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
John's said a few things - he's talked about 70 being the new 50 in the future.

He's also said that by the time it needs to be addressed he'd be retired.

At the Dredd panel yesterday, he did talk about switching Dredds with a younger clone taking over and it being a challenge, but Dredd wouldn't be killed off as Rebellion wouldn't allow it.

I don't know if there's any option that would satisfy everyone.

I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Richard on 06 September, 2015, 02:13:34 PM
I like that idea.


The topic's been discussed before here:
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,21373.0.html
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 September, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 September, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.

Yeah a what if style special like that would be immense fun.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 September, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
I'll third that, sounds like it could easily spin into continuity should John find one tha clicks with him.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Fungus on 07 September, 2015, 01:32:15 AM
Superb idea. Emphatically not canon but exploring the possibilities.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Adventurer on 07 September, 2015, 02:10:09 AM
"Whatever Happened to The Law?"

I'd buy that for a dollar.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Proudhuff on 07 September, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
I'm with the shot in the back by a minor perp in some nameless skedway ( well they could came it The Proud Footway and I'd die happy) :D
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Hap Hazzard on 07 September, 2015, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 September, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
John's said a few things - he's talked about 70 being the new 50 in the future.

He's also said that by the time it needs to be addressed he'd be retired.

At the Dredd panel yesterday, he did talk about switching Dredds with a younger clone taking over and it being a challenge, but Dredd wouldn't be killed off as Rebellion wouldn't allow it.

I don't know if there's any option that would satisfy everyone.

I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.


Brain transplants are a thing in the Mega City. A couple more disasters and there won't be enough Judges left to hold the city. A Justice Dept policy of forcing older experienced Judges to take new cloned younger bodies so they can continue to provide service to the city would be an interesting path to go down. Or, the use of seized stookie being authorised by Justice Dept. Basically, older Judges forced to carry on whether they wanted to or not...especially with Dredd's own misgivings about the system as it is. Plenty of scope there for drama.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: judgeurko on 07 November, 2019, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: Hap Hazzard on 07 September, 2015, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 September, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
John's said a few things - he's talked about 70 being the new 50 in the future.

He's also said that by the time it needs to be addressed he'd be retired.

At the Dredd panel yesterday, he did talk about switching Dredds with a younger clone taking over and it being a challenge, but Dredd wouldn't be killed off as Rebellion wouldn't allow it.

I don't know if there's any option that would satisfy everyone.

I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.


Brain transplants are a thing in the Mega City. A couple more disasters and there won't be enough Judges left to hold the city. A Justice Dept policy of forcing older experienced Judges to take new cloned younger bodies so they can continue to provide service to the city would be an interesting path to go down. Or, the use of seized stookie being authorised by Justice Dept. Basically, older Judges forced to carry on whether they wanted to or not...especially with Dredd's own misgivings about the system as it is. Plenty of scope there for drama.
Yes. Imagine him finding himself in a younger body, forced to continue being a Judge & how he deals with that. Going on more & more dangerous assignments etc
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Professor Bear on 07 November, 2019, 06:14:34 PM
Judges don't wank, so my money's on his balls exploding.  Statistically, this is as likely as any other death scenario happening in the prog.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: WhizzBang on 07 November, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
It has long been established that there are many ways to extend lifetimes in Dredd's world (stookie, body transplants, re-juve, bio-chipping, artificial body parts) but the legality and cost varies. Dredd has been through at least two re-juve treatments that I can think of, so the 70 year thing doesn't bother me.

I have sometimes though that original Taggart tv show could be a good model for an ellderly Dredd. Taggart was a grumpy old Scottish cop who let the younger detectives do the running but directed the tactics and stamped his authority on things.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Richard on 07 November, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
QuoteJudges don't wank

They don't have sex (at least they're not allowed to), but I must have missed the story where it was established that they can't even wank. What happened in that one? Did Chief Judge Volt call Roffman into his office and say "Now, young man, it has some to my attention that..."
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Professor Bear on 07 November, 2019, 09:15:05 PM
SJS is always watching.  ALWAYS.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Greg M. on 07 November, 2019, 09:34:48 PM
I bet Judge Dredd had one off the wrist in the shuttle back from Luna-1, before being sworn back in as a judge of MC-1.

Oh, and several in the bath.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Professor Bear on 07 November, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
Then why was he so fucking grumpy?  Exploding balls.  Put money on it.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Greg M. on 07 November, 2019, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Professor Bear on 07 November, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
Then why was he so fucking grumpy?

He wasn't very good at it.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Rara Avis on 08 November, 2019, 10:07:37 AM
Richard asking the big questions  :D

Quote from: Richard on 07 November, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
QuoteJudges don't wank

They don't have sex (at least they're not allowed to), but I must have missed the story where it was established that they can't even wank. What happened in that one? Did Chief Judge Volt call Roffman into his office and say "Now, young man, it has some to my attention that..."
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 November, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: Richard on 07 November, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
QuoteJudges don't wank

They don't have sex (at least they're not allowed to), but I must have missed the story where it was established that they can't even wank. What happened in that one? Did Chief Judge Volt call Roffman into his office and say "Now, young man, it has some to my attention that..."

Given that they're forbidden sex but not simply given a chemical castration/suppressant of some kind on graduation, I get the impression that Judge celibacy is a deliberate test of willpower. Like Dredd and the fleas - 'I've got 'em. I'm just not scratching.' So would wanking be an approved outlet for their urges, or a disappointing failure of will?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: paddykafka on 08 November, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Richard on 07 November, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
QuoteJudges don't wank

They don't have sex (at least they're not allowed to), but I must have missed the story where it was established that they can't even wank. What happened in that one? Did Chief Judge Volt call Roffman into his office and say "Now, young man, it has some to my attention that..."
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In that case, a slap on the wrist would be the most appropriate sanction.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: dweezil2 on 08 November, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
I'd like Dredd's consciousness to be transplanted into the body of a young female street Judge and for the strip to be retitled "Joanne Dredd" just to annoy Daily Mail readers!  :lol:
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Tiplodocus on 08 November, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
I refer the honourable readers to FATHER FIGURE in ZARJAZ #9.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 November, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
I'd like Dredd's consciousness to be transplanted into the body of a young, female street Judge and for the strip to be retitled "Joanne Dredd" just to annoy Daily Mail readers!

Meghan Dredd, if you're going for Mail readers*


* I don't understand what they don't like about that young, mixed-race foreigner
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 November, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
He has a very shiny helmet.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 08 November, 2019, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 November, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: Richard on 07 November, 2019, 08:58:07 PM
QuoteJudges don't wank

They don't have sex (at least they're not allowed to), but I must have missed the story where it was established that they can't even wank. What happened in that one? Did Chief Judge Volt call Roffman into his office and say "Now, young man, it has some to my attention that..."

Given that they're forbidden sex but not simply given a chemical castration/suppressant of some kind on graduation, I get the impression that Judge celibacy is a deliberate test of willpower. Like Dredd and the fleas - 'I've got 'em. I'm just not scratching.' So would wanking be an approved outlet for their urges, or a disappointing failure of will?

They do take libido suppressants, though.  It was mentioned in The Pit (or one of the related stories from that era anyway). 

I know it would make sense to give Dredd a body transplant, I really do. And I know things can't go on forever they way they are, with Dredd as a geriatric even by MC1 standards.  But I really, really hate the idea of Dredd being younger than me.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 08 November, 2019, 06:56:07 PM
things can't go on forever they way they are, with Dredd as a geriatric even by MC1 standards

They magicked him all young again*. It's a dull solution to such a long-running topic of fan-interest, but it's done, now.

Once the bollocks has been established, all bollocks stemming from that bollocks is legitimate, as I believe Oscar Wilde once said.


* The Carousel, Meg 375 (https://i.imgur.com/k5RAox8.jpg), by Carroll & Willsher. The Samaritan (Niemand & Johnson, 2138 (https://i.imgur.com/NHwA3pQ.jpg)) threw in some bollocks about limiting Dredd's regenerations, like Dr Who, but, in the unlikely event people are still reading Judge Dredd comics in 20 years time, Tharg can just decide there's been a breakthrough in the technology. Just as there was in the business of full cellular rejuvenation, which Al Ewing and PJ Holden reckon didn't exist just 10 years ago (A Home For Aldous Mayou, 1699 (https://i.imgur.com/gzK4cgx.jpg))
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 November, 2019, 07:22:59 PM
He got sent on a mission to Verdus ...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
 
Quote from: Steve Green link=topic=42533.msg889869 #msg889869 date=1441544886I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.
Or a Zarjaz special. If that's on the cards, Bolt, I'm in!
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 08:09:31 PM

Anyway, back to wanking.

If Dredd had salvaged Inga, complete with Hershey head, and had her refurbished, then they shagged the fuck out of each other whenever Dredd signed-off for personal time, that would be more like wanking, wouldn't it?

The celibacy rule is to prevent personal attachments and the way they compromise integrity, rather than some Proud Boys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Membership) shite, but none of that applies to pumping your hoover. Feel free to replace the word Inga with Walter when considering this proposition.

Do other readers spend Friday nights dreaming of rattling Metal Mickey?


Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 08:15:19 PM

Maybe the sleep machines have... attachments.

Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 08:15:19 PM
Maybe the sleep machines have... attachments.

A JUDGE CAN HAVE NO PERSONAL ATTACHMENTS.


Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 November, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Quote from: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 08:09:31 PM

Do other readers spend Friday nights dreaming of rattling Metal Mickey?


:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 08:15:19 PM
Maybe the sleep machines have... attachments.

A JUDGE CAN HAVE NO PERSONAL ATTACHMENTS.




Heh. I'm talking about Justice Department attachments like the rub-gun or maw-rod...

Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: sheridan on 08 November, 2019, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 08:09:31 PM
If Dredd had salvaged Inga, complete with Hershey head, and had her refurbished, then they shagged the fuck out of each other whenever Dredd signed-off for personal time, that would be more like wanking, wouldn't it?

The celibacy rule is to prevent personal attachments and the way they compromise integrity, rather than some Proud Boys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys#Membership) shite, but none of that applies to pumping your hoover. Feel free to replace the word Inga with Walter when considering this proposition.

Do other readers spend Friday nights dreaming of rattling Metal Mickey?

(https://mikescollection.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/twiki-show.jpg) (https://mikescollection.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bob-blackhole.jpg) (https://mikescollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/daggit-film.jpg)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 09:27:43 PM
Phwoar...



Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 November, 2019, 10:14:16 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/2/27/Maximillian.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140125195834)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 10:21:17 PM

We all love black hole.


Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: rs_jr on 09 November, 2019, 06:19:18 AM
at 2000ad 50th anniversary.

Dredd at 83 and Rico and most of MC1 judges will fail the save MC1.

Dredd, Rico, Dolman and most of the judges will die trying to save a small section of the city.

Rico survives and takes the survivors to Tex city ( his original city) and takes the names Dredd and the script continues with a new Dredd ( Rico) in a new mega city.

at 2000ad 70th anniversary.

Dredd ( Rico) at the 20 year memorial of the MC1 destruction visits the remains of MC1 and realizes there is a small population for survivors that continued living there and protected by Dolman and some of the other surviving judges.

Dolman meets Dredd (Rico) and quickly realizes its Dredds brain in Rico body (Rico went brain dead 20 years prior).

All 2000s fans that grew up with Rico as their Dredd for the last 20 years flip out and stop buying it and 2000ad ends :(

oh and Gerhart becomes the new horned god but still can't figure out a good story for that lol :)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: sheridan on 09 November, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
Quote from: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 10:21:17 PM

We all love black hole.


Old B.O.B. and Black Hole did keep coming up in my search results while I was looking for those pictures...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: sheridan on 09 November, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: rs_jr on 09 November, 2019, 06:19:18 AM
at 2000ad 50th anniversary.

Dredd at 83 and Rico and most of MC1 judges will fail the save MC1.

Dredd, Rico, Dolman and most of the judges will die trying to save a small section of the city.

Rico survives and takes the survivors to Tex city ( his original city) and takes the names Dredd and the script continues with a new Dredd ( Rico) in a new mega city.

at 2000ad 70th anniversary.

Dredd ( Rico) at the 20 year memorial of the MC1 destruction visits the remains of MC1 and realizes there is a small population for survivors that continued living there and protected by Dolman and some of the other surviving judges.

Dolman meets Dredd (Rico) and quickly realizes its Dredds brain in Rico body (Rico went brain dead 20 years prior).

All 2000s fans that grew up with Rico as their Dredd for the last 20 years flip out and stop buying it and 2000ad ends :(

oh and Gerhart becomes the new horned god but still can't figure out a good story for that lol :)

...and then Dan Dare returns and clears his name ;)
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: sheridan on 09 November, 2019, 12:01:55 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 November, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
...and then Dan Dare returns and clears his name ;)

While we're at it - some form of Torquemada gets returned to the travel tubes before the teleporter accident, completing the timey-wimey circle.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: moly on 09 November, 2019, 12:23:56 PM
Transplant his brain into a mechanismo robot
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: dweezil2 on 09 November, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
Quote from: Frank on 08 November, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 08 November, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
I'd like Dredd's consciousness to be transplanted into the body of a young, female street Judge and for the strip to be retitled "Joanne Dredd" just to annoy Daily Mail readers!

Meghan Dredd, if you're going for Mail readers*


* I don't understand what they don't like about that young, mixed-race foreigner


That would induce apoplexy!
Great idea!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Woolly on 09 November, 2019, 01:26:04 PM
Give him an injury that forces justice dept to stick Dredd in Sus-An, have a few years of Rico stories, then fix old Joe?
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 November, 2019, 01:42:47 PM
Poor Susan.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 09 November, 2019, 01:45:52 PM

If anyone's ever wondered why more fans don't become comic writers, this thread provides a compelling answer.


Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Woolly on 09 November, 2019, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: Frank on 09 November, 2019, 01:45:52 PM

If anyone's ever wondered why more fans don't become comic writers, this thread provides a compelling answer.

You're not wrong  :lol:

That said, I'd definately read the one about exploding balls...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: TordelBack on 09 November, 2019, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Frank on 09 November, 2019, 01:45:52 PM

If anyone's ever wondered why more fans don't become comic writers, this thread provides a compelling answer.

Plenty of folk from this very site (and its predecessors) have done exactly that, with sexy results.

Picking just one idea from all the silliness, I'd love to see a story pick up on Rico having attended the Texas City academy, and his resultant drawl. Big missed opportunity in the Carroll Texas takeover story.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Frank on 09 November, 2019, 05:37:22 PM

Not one of these losers has suggested starting a new Kelvin timeline. They aren't ready to go pro.


Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 November, 2019, 06:28:43 PM

You've obviously never noticed the Sharkverse. It's subtle, but it's there...

Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 November, 2019, 06:29:58 PM

(So fiendishly subtle, in fact, that nobody has...)

Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: von Boom on 09 November, 2019, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: Frank on 09 November, 2019, 05:37:22 PM

Not one of these losers has suggested starting a new Kelvin timeline. They aren't ready to go pro.
No one is until they've mastered lens flare.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 10 November, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
None of you understand. Mark Millar (in many ways, the Dredd writer, explained it years ago.  He's kept in a big freezer and is defrosted sometimes to deal with the likes of Red Razors (in many ways the 2000ad character).

So the Dreddworld continues in real time, with 2000ad coming out once every ten or fifteen years, written by John Wagner with Mark Millar's brain transplanted into him and kept in Susan.  Sorry, I mean sus-an.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Woolly on 10 November, 2019, 02:28:22 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 November, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
None of you understand. Mark Millar (in many ways, the Dredd writer, explained it years ago.  He's kept in a big freezer and is defrosted sometimes to deal with the likes of Red Razors (in many ways the 2000ad character).

So the Dreddworld continues in real time, with 2000ad coming out once every ten or fifteen years, written by John Wagner with Mark Millar's brain transplanted into him and kept in Susan.  Sorry, I mean sus-an.

Works for me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Bolt-01 on 12 November, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 08 November, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
I refer the honourable readers to FATHER FIGURE in ZARJAZ #9.

Cheers Tip, you beat me to it!

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 08 November, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Quote from: Steve Green link=topic=42533.msg889869 #msg889869 date=1441544886I'd quite like a bumper prog with various Dredd writers and artists doing a 'Death of Judge Dredd' just for fun.
Or a Zarjaz special. If that's on the cards, Bolt, I'm in!

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: CalHab on 12 November, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 November, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
None of you understand. Mark Millar (in many ways, the Dredd writer, explained it years ago.  He's kept in a big freezer and is defrosted sometimes to deal with the likes of Red Razors (in many ways the 2000ad character).

I see that I'm not the only person who mixes up Demolition Man and the '95 Judge Dredd film.
Title: Re: Judge Dredd retires? Dies of old age?
Post by: Dash Decent on 13 November, 2019, 10:40:30 AM
These guys too: Notebook: i know how to use the three seashells judge dredd (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Notebook-three-seashells-sheets-inches/dp/1700745166/)