The Political Thread

[The Legendary Shark]

Completely arsed that post up, sorry.

[Professor Bear]

Corbyn blah blah blah - Perhaps it doesn't suit some peoples agendas.

You weren't so keen on mind reading a minute ago, CF.

[COMMANDO FORCES]

Have you ever mentioned that Corbyn doesn't like the EU, if not, then why not?

[COMMANDO FORCES]

Those books still haven't been audited but who really cares

Yes, they have.

That's an interesting read and once you read the whole thing it's not quite as signed off as your post would indicate.

[Jim_Campbell]

That's an interesting read and once you read the whole thing it's not quite as signed off as your post would indicate.

It is interesting. And I didn't say they'd been signed off — you said they hadn't been audited, which they clearly have, because that's how they know there are discrepancies.

[Jim_Campbell]

I'm slightly puzzled at what (realistically) was expected of Corbyn over the EU vote. If he had performed a Johnson-like volte-face then the media would have (rightly) pilloried him for cynical opportunism and declared that he was an untrustworthy chancer who couldn't be trusted to lie straight in bed (in exactly the way they haven't done to Boris Johnson, for some reason).

Instead, he's opted to point out that this entire thing is a proxy war for two wings of the Tory party, enabling them to tear chunks out of each other whilst risking catastrophic damage to our economy and our international standing. Of the available options, 'Remain' is comfortably the best, maintaining the status quo and ensuring that the Tories can't sweep away what little remains of our workers' rights and environmental protections. One doesn't have to be an enthusiastic supporter of the EU to recognise 'Remain' as the least bad option by a mile. Remember that any substantive change to our relationship with the EU would trigger a referendum anyway.

(Which is broadly how I feel about it, too, funnily enough.)

Corbyn will also have seen what standing on the same platform as the Tories did to Labour in Scotland. Given that this was never a political hill he'd choose to die on in the first place, the idea that he'd do it to save Cameron's political skin is ludicrous.

However, those on the left thinking that voting 'Leave' is a way to stick it to Cameron are only correct to the extent that cutting off your foot is a way to stick it to sock-makers.

[Professor Bear]

Have you ever mentioned that Corbyn doesn't like the EU, if not, then why not?

Have you ever mentioned the atomic density of Osmium, if not, then why not?

[morpheas]

Germany are the power behind enforcing the steep bailout on Greece, which looks like the repayments are gonna fail again in the next month or so.

This is politics, I believe that everything will go on, as is. And Schäuble is very quiet these days because of the possible Brexit. This is the moment I have to state that I live in Germany.

I have read that suicides are up around 35% since all this began and that many people are sick of it all.

Maybe, I don't know how high they are, and 35% what from? There are only 10 million Greeks. I haven't seen a total number of suicides yet.
The poor are indeed suffering. The people I know in Greece are not-so-poor. They are unhappy about the taxes and cuts, but have options.

We all know that part of the problem was that taxes were not being paid across the board and that the retirement age was pretty impressive, to say the least.

Correct. But not everyone was so privileged. People had little income; not paying taxes helped them survive. The big ones don't pay and never will.  The whole government was corrupt for ages and generations.

It's numerous things like this that tell me Greece are not having a great time of it.

Do you want to see Photos from my Facebook feed? Maybe you shouldn't...Its summertime over there. Why shouldn't they have fun after all, life is too short to worry over taxes and they live in beautifull Greece.

Obviously I could be wrong on all this but there's only so much time in the day to read up on everything, unless you are Legendary

Hi sharky...

The problem is not the EU, it's the rightwing conservatism and neoliberalism, that raves in every country/government in the last 15-25 years. They see everyone as a resource (there are so many of us) trying to increase the profit and decrease the cost of keeping us alive.

So, leaving the EU is not solving any problem. The People from our Governments are the ones sitting in Brussel and making decisions.

[Professor Bear]

The right wing can't the problem - Greece has a left wing government and look at the state it's in right now.  Clearly the problem is socialism and we need to go further to the right to correct this.

[Steve Green]

Sick of the whole thing - it's been like a feature length director's cut session of PMQs.

Kellner has remain taking it by 8.5% +/- 6%.

http://politicscounter.com/?p=95

But you know... polls.

[The Legendary Shark]

I don't get why not being in the EU would automatically strip people of their rights. The European Convention on Human Rights is not an EU instrument - and even if it was, there's still the International Convention, UN conventions and even UK legislative law, UK court case law and Union rules.

[The Legendary Shark]

Hi Morpheas,

I agree. The EU is nothing more than an elitist control mechanism, like just about every "government" these days. Leaving or staying makes no difference, we'll all still be serfs tomorrow no matter what happens today.

[NapalmKev]

we'll all still be serfs tomorrow no matter what happens today.

Do something about it then!

I'm a Leftie, by popular definition, but I try not to think of myself in such 2 Dimensional terms. I've voted to 'Remain' because I believe it's the best thing for Everyone, not just me. The Conservative party wouldn't give you the drippings from their nose, let alone anything of real value.

As far as "UK legislation" goes: it was Europe that reduced my working week from 48 to 44 hours for the same pay. The Tories will quite happily give everyone Zero hour contracts and no holiday entitlement! And without an overarching authority to watch over them they would have done this a long time ago!

Cheers

[Mattofthespurs]

My politics too are fairly over on the left side and I too have voted to remain simply because it's what is best for everyone in my opinion (without getting too deep into it. I'm sick of it now tbh).

[Goaty]

People gone crazy, said you must bring pen as they would rubbing out your pencil mark!




Why there too many hate or Vote out comments on Daily Mail Online, I think many are trolls and not really vote etc. as they was same about vote for BNP or UKIP in election, and they didn't do well!