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Title: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
The cover for Prog 1981 has gone up on Facebook. (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt99/flipray09/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/flipray09/media/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg.html)

filippo
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 03:00:29 PM
Forgot to credit Jon Davis-Hunt as the artist :)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Satanist on 13 May, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 03:00:29 PM
Forgot to credit Jon Davis-Hunt as the artist :)

You also forgot to review the prog  ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ZenArcade on 13 May, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
Think Mick Carroll put it up. Z
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 13 May, 2016, 04:29:39 PM
That's damn fine cover :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 May, 2016, 05:24:58 PM
Well executed but it gives me déjà vu. As has quite a bit in Dredd recently.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Frank on 13 May, 2016, 05:33:38 PM

Why is Dredd wearing a black conical hat?


(http://i.imgur.com/KVsgLgu.png?2)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Old Tankie on 13 May, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
I do like that cover.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Timothy on 13 May, 2016, 07:31:27 PM
That is a fine cover. The end of year poll is going to be tough this year.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
Quote from: Satanist on 13 May, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 03:00:29 PM
Forgot to credit Jon Davis-Hunt as the artist :)

You also forgot to review the prog  ;)  :lol:
Was just leaving the reviews to the far more eloquent wordsmiths of the forum ;) and I don't receive my prog until dinnertime tomorrow :)

filippo
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 13 May, 2016, 10:48:54 PM
Quote from: Butch on 13 May, 2016, 05:33:38 PM

Why is Dredd wearing a black conical hat?


(http://i.imgur.com/KVsgLgu.png?2)

It's that Brian May hairstyle he's been covering up for all these years.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: Butch on 13 May, 2016, 05:33:38 PM

Why is Dredd wearing a black conical hat?


(http://i.imgur.com/KVsgLgu.png?2)
It's so the ECBT don't about the logo being covered up :)

filippo
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Pete Wells on 14 May, 2016, 09:21:06 AM
Some cheek from the Holden droid  :lol:

(http://s32.postimg.org/6v1spmzw5/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Judge Olde on 14 May, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
The cover for Prog 1981 has gone up on Facebook. (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt99/flipray09/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/flipray09/media/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg.html)

filippo

Is Dredd playing a Game of Thrones?  :D
The Law Lives - certain a sh*t tag line  :-X :-\
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 14 May, 2016, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 14 May, 2016, 09:21:06 AM
Some cheek from the Holden droid  :lol:

(http://s32.postimg.org/6v1spmzw5/image.jpg)
Yes but where are YOU, Pete?  :lol:
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Pete Wells on 14 May, 2016, 10:41:14 AM
IN Greggs, surely? (Or raking through the bins at the back.)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 14 May, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 14 May, 2016, 10:41:14 AM
IN Greggs, surely? (Or raking through the bins at the back.)
Um...Synthi-Sausage Roll?
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
Weird cover, given the contents of the Dredd strip. Interesting by Texas City, too.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: moly on 14 May, 2016, 11:19:58 AM
Good ending to both survival geeks and tainted looking forward to tainted returning, Dredd this could be a very interesting turn of events with [spoiler]texas City and elements of Brit cit working together ?[/spoiler] slaine is just dragging on and saving brink to read in one go
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: jannerboyuk on 14 May, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
Short review
Cover: Dredd being Dredd
Dredd: Dredd ain't dead
Survival geeks: deadline lives
Brink: hmm
Tainted: Fairfax is Dredd?

Loving the prog, not convinced Defoe coming back is that exciting.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: mejustnow on 14 May, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
Cover of the year.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: SpongeJosh on 14 May, 2016, 12:12:18 PM
Sorry for jumping on the band wagon - lovely cover  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Butch on 13 May, 2016, 05:33:38 PM

Why is Dredd wearing a black conical hat?

(http://i.imgur.com/KVsgLgu.png?2)

He does look a bit Coneheads, doesn't he

(http://i66.tinypic.com/33vezjm.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Tjm86 on 14 May, 2016, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: moly on 14 May, 2016, 11:19:58 AM
Dredd this could be a very interesting turn of events with [spoiler]texas City and elements of Brit cit working together ?[/spoiler]

The TC reveal was not completely surprising.  I think most of us were in the 'Beware of Greeks bearing gifts' camp.  As to your other theory, it does seem sensible.  Where would the greatest threat to any plot come from?  Take that player off the board and leave Hershey seemingly weakened.  Would Joyce then simply be collateral damage and the extradition just a convenient excuse?  Having listened to Carroll on the podcast I'm reading his work slightly differently now.  I really do hope that he can land this one well.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Steve Green on 14 May, 2016, 01:33:12 PM
Subs prog not arrived - seems to be a fairly regular occurrence, 1977 arrived a week late.

Switching to digital when it renews.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 01:53:02 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 May, 2016, 10:48:54 PM
It's that Brian May hairstyle he's been covering up for all these years.

Sorry, couldn't resist

(http://i64.tinypic.com/11ty69y.png)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
I'm sorry, everyone

(http://i63.tinypic.com/244ph7p.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
I'm so, so sorry

(http://i64.tinypic.com/34fmlph.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: jannerboyuk on 14 May, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 02:15:49 PM
I'm sorry, everyone

(http://i63.tinypic.com/244ph7p.jpg)
judge Bart is scary
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 14 May, 2016, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
I'm so, so sorry

(http://i64.tinypic.com/34fmlph.jpg)
I always just assumed Dredd and Guile where seperated at birth anyway.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Geoff on 14 May, 2016, 03:45:01 PM
Arrgggh - no Saturday prog again!

I'll review what I can - cover looks great.

The Bart Dredd one in particular...
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: The Monarch on 14 May, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Now i can buy tc as a shower of pricks!

Just see the issue of the mega collection this fortnight for proof of that
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: The Adventurer on 14 May, 2016, 04:40:45 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
I'm so, so sorry

(http://i64.tinypic.com/34fmlph.jpg)

You killed me.

I am dead.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Geoff on 14 May, 2016, 05:32:41 PM
It's here - along with the Meg no less - postie must have been delayed by thrill suckers!
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: McNulty on 14 May, 2016, 05:53:43 PM
Dredd: It definitely seems like the Texans have an agenda in their help with Mega City One. I do remember that Texas City did help in the reconstruction of the big Meg after Necropolis, maybe they want to do more than lend Mega City One some judges. Nice nod to Forbidden Planet in Brit Cit. I loved that the alien tourists were trying to get around Brit Cit with a map of Aberdeen! I never had the 2000AD Brit Cit justice dept down as being capable of such callous cruety in shooting one of their own. The Megazine version certainly, but the Brit Cit shown in 2000AD didn't show such a harsh edge to it.

Survival Geeks: I enjoyed this ending. What's wrong with Highlander? I enjoyed it.

Slaine: This chapter hasn't really done it for me this time around. The pacing is slow and the artwork isn't my favourite. I would prefer more in detail in the backgrounds - this week we had white backgrounds or green grey walls.

Brink: Not into this series too much talking heads.

Tainted: The earlier comments have brought up a point I never considered, with Deadworld being so different from Mega City One, I never thought that they could have been a Judge Dredd dimensional counterpart, but if they had a Judge system, why not? This series has really fleshed out Death's world, introducing elements not before shown. I assumed that their technology was not as advanced as Dredd's world, but now we have their versions of lawmasters with artificial intelligence. It seems like this world didn't have a worldwide Atomic war and Death had to resort to other methods of mass destruction to eradicate life - poisoning the air, the water and the food supply. In earlier flashbacks in other stories, we see the Purges - where the citizens are lined up to receive death at the hands of the Dark Judges. This surely would have taken hundreds of years to finish. Also, if it was the entire world's population that was destroyed, including all animal and plant life - it never could have been accomplished without other measures.

Finally, has it ever been explained how Death and his Dark Judges came back to attack that spaceship. The last I heard, Death had been defeated shortly after Las Vegas was nuked and the rest of the Dark Judges were captured by PJ Maybe. I must have missed that explanation.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Steve Green on 14 May, 2016, 06:03:25 PM
It was never explained how Death got back from being pulled down into hell after Vegas.

He's a magic zombie in spirit form, not a physical being after all.

He possessed the spirit of Cutler(?) who released the other Dark Judges from PJ Maybe - they all presumably hitched a lift inside the same body.

In the Stallone/Lawman of the Future version of Death, Judge Death actually was an alternate version of Dredd who'd been killed in action.

Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Andy Lambert on 14 May, 2016, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
The cover for Prog 1981 has gone up on Facebook. (http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt99/flipray09/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/flipray09/media/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg.html)

filippo

Wonderful cover, but I can see some amusing edits being made to it - it's almost asking for it..! ;)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: hippynumber1 on 14 May, 2016, 08:35:21 PM
The 'Coming Soon' box has been bothering me all day; I love MacNeil's art but am I the only one who thinks he's an odd choice for Defoe?
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 14 May, 2016, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 14 May, 2016, 08:35:21 PM
The 'Coming Soon' box has been bothering me all day; I love MacNeil's art but am I the only one who thinks he's an odd choice for Defoe?
Nope, Chaos Day show's he can do hordes of Reek like "runners" no problem, and he retains enough of Gallaghers style whilst still very much being his own man to make it work.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: jannerboyuk on 14 May, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 14 May, 2016, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Butch on 13 May, 2016, 05:33:38 PM

Why is Dredd wearing a black conical hat?

(http://i.imgur.com/KVsgLgu.png?2)

He does look a bit Coneheads, doesn't he

(http://i66.tinypic.com/33vezjm.jpg)
explains why he never takes off his helmet (http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/b12621868703e30eef03ddc8631db6fe/l.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Richard on 14 May, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
You only have to look at that picture of a reek to see that MacNeil is an excellent choice for that series. It's been a long time since we saw him do black and white, and while I normally prefer colour I think his art looks better in black and white. There's more detail.

I'm not usually keen on Slaine, but I liked thus episode, with the bad guy gloating about how he's going to defile Slaine's corpse...

It's a good cover, but not really relevant as Dredd isn't in this prog. I think that would be a bit confusing for new readers.

It was explained in Dark Justice that the Sisters of Death rescued Judge Death from Hell or wherever he was.

It's not possible that Fairfax could actually be Dredd's counterpart in another dimension, because the worlds' histories are too different. And if these events happened in Mega-City One, Dredd wouldn't run away to save his own skin. He'd save the city or die trying.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: JUDGE BURNS on 14 May, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
Surprised to find the latest prog AND the Meg on my doormat this afternoon. Its unusual to have them delivered on a Saturday for a change.

Cracking cover this week ( despite DREDD not making an appearance, so my Saturday night is sorted with the kids on the xbox , my wife working late shift at the care home and me with my reading material sorted  :-)

Still not too sure about the Brink story. Simon Davis' art is awesome on Slaine, not much of a story just one long fight scene... loving survival geeks , shame its finished though. Tainted is a great vision of life ( and death) on deadworld , looking forward to the next chapter....
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Frank on 15 May, 2016, 12:10:02 AM

Following Echidna's hilarious tinkering, here's Jon Davis Hunt's cover image reinterpreted in the style of Washington Irving, by David Whitehead of the 2000ad Discussion Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2000adDiscussion/):


(http://i.imgur.com/VWDF7zF.png?1)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 02:46:44 AM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 13 May, 2016, 02:58:22 PM(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt99/flipray09/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/flipray09/media/FB_IMG_1463147587725_zpsxaxwsfky.jpg.html)

(http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/14542/342311-19752-126150-1-2000-a-d.jpg)

Did anybody remember this Slaine cover?

Same amount of face shown here!

Same shape of face two!

If I had the patience, I might try a facial swap just to see if it fits.

Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Woolly on 15 May, 2016, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 02:46:44 AM
(http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/14542/342311-19752-126150-1-2000-a-d.jpg)

Did anybody remember this Slaine cover?

Same amount of face shown here!

Same shape of face two!

If I had the patience, I might try a facial swap just to see if it fits.

Is it normal for Slaine to have such a tiny head?  :o
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 May, 2016, 04:53:25 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 14 May, 2016, 08:35:21 PM
The 'Coming Soon' box has been bothering me all day; I love MacNeil's art but am I the only one who thinks he's an odd choice for Defoe?

Yeah completely agree - for me not the best use of his talents - though to be fair that's very possibly more to do with my dislike of Defoe than anything else. At least this is balanced by the return of Grey Area which art aside I'm very much looking forward too.

ANYWAY - so many posts so few reviews and this, the review thread. Better do what little I can to redress the balance.

Dredd just keeps getting better and better. Nothing really different yeah its building up so much as has been said questions about just what Texas City are up to. The extremes we're seeing in Brit Cit. Like vultures circling the dying Mega City One old allies peak for best seats at the corpse. All defted realised by both script and art. Some of the very best Dredd.

Brink is an interesting change of pace for the Prog and one I'm enjoying. Its moving things along more sutly than we're used to and that is refreshing in the Prog. I think this one will be a slow burner and when we look back at this and see something a little  special.

So all good then... oh right that's just two thrill. Well we have two endings I'm happy with, but only in that the two strips concerned are ending. To be fair I've enjoyed this Survival Geeks story more than any before, but that's not really saying much. Tainted just end but grimly promises to return.

I've stood up this Slaine longer than most and I've enjoyed the first two books of The Brutania Chronciles but really this book after fooling me at the start, is just dull old nonsense. I mean really we have another Slaine about to be behead cliffhanger. Really. Dull.

So pretty low key Prog all in all BUT the prospect of two new thrills next week gives me hope.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Magnetica on 15 May, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
I have a fairly similar take on this week's Prog to Colin.

The cover is one of the very best in a long while IMO.

Dredd - yeah just great. PJ and Carroll at the top of their games.

Geeks - I have enjoyed the last two series more than any previously but am happy this is the last episode (er there isn't any story starting next week is there?)

Slaine - over the years this has been one of my very favourite things in the comic. Ever. Indeed I sit here writing this wearing a "Kiss My Axe" T- Shirt by Angie Mills. But this is dragging on too much.  3 Weeks and counting for what could have been a couple of pages. And isn't Slaine looking old now. Unlike Dredd, it just doesn't suit him.

Brink - agree its a bit of a slow burn, and it is verging on needing a re-read already (which is not normal for a Dan Abnett script).

Tainted - just sort of stops. Was going to say ends, but that's not right. I for one won't be looking forward to it returning.

Thrills of the future. I seem to be in the minority, but I think Macneil's art on this will be great. Yes the current style he uses on Dredd would not be suitable, but this looks completely different to that. One thing he has shown over the years is an ability to draw / paint in different ways.



Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 17 May, 2016, 08:21:58 AM
Quote from: Woolly on 15 May, 2016, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 02:46:44 AM
(http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/14542/342311-19752-126150-1-2000-a-d.jpg)

Did anybody remember this Slaine cover?

Same amount of face shown here!

Same shape of face two!

If I had the patience, I might try a facial swap just to see if it fits.

Is it normal for Slaine to have such a tiny head?  :o

It does look like he's just further away. I'd attempt that myself just to see if it fits if I could find a cover picture that is the same size. Otherwise I might have to find some art program that would help. Paint & Art-Rage aren't what they used to be.

Back on the subject of buying this prog, I had to choose between eating until I get paid next Monday, and buy any of the two versions of last weeks and this weeks progs. My last ten dollars only went as far twelve packet of noodles (Which aren't very filling, they're so tiny) and a box of oats and small bottle of milk. Now all the milk's gone and not sure about the oats. I'm having some now with touch of Cacao powder and they aren't much like the oats I've had from those free samples I often find in the mail.

I don't think I will be seeing any more Slaine until next Monday.

Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: SuperSurfer on 17 May, 2016, 02:47:27 PM
Well, I have to say... and I have debated with myself and others whether I should post this... my ears pricked up when I read about the United City States concept in the prog. I thought that was an interesting idea – that the USA was once again whole. Rather than a union of states, it would be a union of city states. And that Dredd would now be imprisoned and tried. And then when I saw the 1981 prog cover, I had an even stronger feeling of déjà vu. Which I also had when reading some other things. I'm not dissing Jon Davis-Hunt as I don't know what his brief was.

My 'Final Days' forum art comp entry from 2012:

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x141/mycenaean/Final-days-layout-flat.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/mycenaean/media/Final-days-layout-flat.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 May, 2016, 07:19:04 PM
Brilliant work as ever Supersurfer.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 18 May, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Well that was all rather good!

Behind a smashing Judge Dredd cover by JDH (has anyone see his art on Clean Room recently? Utterly phenomenal!) even if it is a little misleading about the content of the strip itself this week. Mr. Holden has got his vision of Brit-Cit down to a T, brilliant stuff and the Car-Roll droid really is hitting the spot right now. Dredd has been uniformally great for a few years running now and long may it remain thus.

Survival Geeks is...alright. Googe is a brilliant artist but I can't help but feel hus talents are wasted on an a series that alright at best. I love the Beeby droid and GRennie but sadly this just isn't for me, despite te fact I feel it should be. Tainted ends as it lived, grotesquely. And I loved it! More please, and make it soon!

Slaine is boring the tits off of me, Simon Davis is such a phenomenal talent it's almost a shame to see his work be wasted on such a tright boring slug fest thats been going on for weeks and weeks. And the dialogue is just AWFUL! "NEVER! Slaine is my friend!" God give me strength!

Brink is the surprising star of the prog right now. Everything about it clicks, it's old rope but it feels like it's been tied into a new knot and i'm loving it so far!
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 18 May, 2016, 12:12:01 PM
I'm sorry to hear such bad press about Slaine I from what I have seen  so far, I'm getting impression  that Pat doesn't feel the same way for this character that he when the he was in his prime as identity here and chronologically as well.

Dare, I say, maybe it might have been better off to have ended with the Horned God when it really began to be recognised internationally, I guess. Yet, also when the stores started to feel like they were just going through the motions. Well, at least as far as it's concerned plot-wise or what ever point was being made.

I still in it for art work & action at least....it's legacy from the Pre-Horned-God days is that powerful. Which why a lot of us still bother to read....why I still bother to only buy the Prog for this reason alone.

About the art work... I like Simon Davis's work. Why I actually believe it was myself who suggested he should have this duty ages ago. After seeing his work on Dark Siddhara/Abbey Cruxis (You should know the one even if I got the spelling wrong!) that one about the prisoner island and that Bob Geldorf inspired Slaine poster....

Which I currently can't get in Google images

Yet,  his art work here in Slaine does pale in comparison. or perhaps the drabness is intentional. Because it's supposed to be bleak looking. I still like it of course, but Slaine does suddenly look very old like blessings of the Earth Goddess are starting fade. What ever holding back foibles that life kick's every bodies butt!
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: TordelBack on 18 May, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
Cor, I did enjoy that Prog. Everything motoring along nicely - particular nods to the background gags in Dredd, the snappy dialogue in Brink, the neat resolution to Survival Geeks, the promise of more Tainted (yay!) and the Triumphant Return of the Purple Willy.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: mejustnow on 18 May, 2016, 01:31:35 PM
I'd set Brink aside after the first episode and decided to do a catch up last night. What a little jewel of a story! The characters' voices seem their own (I was surprised to see it was an Abnett story. They don't sound like anyone he's written before, if that makes sense).

There's a good little police procedural going on. A hint of Lovecraftian cosmic horror. A setting with a ton of possibilities, and...and I realise I'm going out on a limb to invoke this....the dialogue and interaction and slice of life tone of this thing really reminds me of the first book of Halo Jones. The world feels larger than that we see inside the little boxes. It seems realised and lived in. Maybe it's just that the slang hits the mark for me (as it did with Halo Jones). It feels genuine.

Stick the landing on this; set the stage well for future installments; and this could be the dark horse of the prog.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Ghost MacRoth on 18 May, 2016, 03:12:38 PM
Cover: Pretty cool....as are the various joke versions displayed here. ;)

Dredd: So....what are Texas up to I wonder?  Are they in league with the Brits??? And what the hell is the plan with Dredd I wonder??  Maybe they need Joyce before they can go to trial or summit.....

Survival Geeks: An entertaining run, but I reckon it needs to do something....more.... next time.  There's only so many times you will order light and frothy before you move onto the hard spirits.  :D

Slaine 'The Bore-tania Chronicles': Zzzzzzzzzz...............

Brink:  Not feeling it at all. 

Tainted: Damn....it's ended!  Look forward to seeing more on this.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 May, 2016, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 18 May, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Brink is the surprising star of the prog right now. Everything about it clicks, it's old rope but it feels like it's been tied into a new knot and i'm loving it so far!

Ha! Love that turn of phrase and if it wasn't for the fact I'm enjoying Dredd so much right now I'd agree 100%
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Frank on 18 May, 2016, 10:08:21 PM

Dredd I think PJ Holden may have oversold the ballistic properties of flat caps.

Sláine: "Obey as a dead body obeys" - Slough Gododin is basically Jimmy Savile - he (almost) says 'now then' as he's describing the sexy fate that awaits Sláine's corpse. The salmon of knowledge also seems to be functioning as a commentary on student loans.

Brink: the timing of that nipple scene was brilliant, and Culbard's overhead view of the habitat is breathtaking.

Tainted: Who knew Fairfax's sarcastic bike was a lady! From Kendall's fantastic art to the way the infected judges went around declaring innocuous behaviour and attributes capital offences (like the Cursed Earth mutie Dredd impostor (http://www.rockshockpop.com/screencaps/Comics/jd2.jpg)), this has been consistently enjoyable.

I was surprised by how much fun this was, because I really couldn't care less how the Dark Judges took over Deadworld. It could teach Mills and Davis a lesson in how to split a larger story into discrete parts too.


Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Goaty on 19 May, 2016, 09:06:14 AM
Great prog!

My fave story is Tainted, [spoiler]glad Fairfax's alive, he could be Deadworld's version of Dredd? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: TordelBack on 19 May, 2016, 10:05:46 AM
Yeah, Fall of Deadworld/Tainted was a complete triumph AFAIC, didn't put a foot wrong. Like Dreams... before it, Tainted made Deadworld real and terrible to me like nothing since Judge Death Lives! has managed.  I really worried that Dreams... might have been impossible to follow, but taking a new tack with the same sickening feel worked perfectly. It makes the most outrageous grand guignol supernatural nonsense plausible.

If the board will permit me another of my "reading things into the comic that just aren't there" meanders, I'd like to extrapolate a bit from the Sisters' mention of the Deadworld version of the Judge Child prophecy. Others have speculated that the Girl (blanked on her name) is who they are referring to, and I think there's a fair bit to support this.  If Death is the dark mirror counterpart of Dredd, then our heroine is similarly the flipped counterpart of Owen Krysler.  Female:male; normal human:psychic mutant; protective of her family:uncaring about the fate of his; untainted:tainted; merciful:cruel; taken along by Fairfax; abandoned by Dredd.

Time and again we've seen echoes of Feyy's prophecy that aren't quite what he described, but may have fed into it: the Apocalypse War, Necropolis, Chaos Day. Could it be that the fate of Deadworld is the original source of his vision?  All this is presumably taking place long before he has his deathbed vision in 2102.  It's a great parallel for Kek-W to explore in tandem with the Dark Judges.

Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: IndigoPrime on 19 May, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
One thing I do like about Deadworld is a palpable sense of horror. The Dark Judges may be one-note (and, frankly, a bit stupid—or at least terrible strategists in the main), but what happened to their world is ripe for expansion. We know it doesn't end well, because we've seen it, but the journey should be interesting.

Slain is one of the big disappointments for me. I really liked the first book in this run. The art and script worked really well, with hints of otherworldliness that reminded me of Hellboy. Now, there's still a sense of a painterly Mignola in the art, but the script is repetitive, dull and preachy. As I said elsewhere on this board, I have a newfound respect of sorts for Mills after very much being reminded of his contributions in the 2000 AD documentary (as in, without him, no 2000 AD), but this Sláine run has plunged into the mire.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: mejustnow on 19 May, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
Thanks to Tainted I've been wondering about Deadworld's statue to the last person to receive judgement. Was that in Judge Death Lives?

I was going to ponder on whether that might be Fairfax, but it suddenly occurred to me: I reckon it was the statue maker himself. I can't imagine the Dark Judges knocking up their own statue, but I can imagine them keeping an artist alive and forcing them to build a commemoration of their (and a world's) demise. Then killing him in its shadow after the unveiling (witnessed by the creator and the four remaining Dark Judges). A little like how pyramid architects would be walled into their creations with their pharaohs.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Ghost MacRoth on 19 May, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Quote from: Tordelback on 19 May, 2016, 10:05:46 AM
I really worried that Dreams... might have been impossible to follow, but taking a new tack with the same sickening feel worked perfectly. It makes the most outrageous grand guignol supernatural nonsense plausible.

Hell yes.  Pardon the pun. ;)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 May, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: mejustnow on 19 May, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
Thanks to Tainted I've been wondering about Deadworld's statue to the last person to receive judgement. Was that in Judge Death Lives?

I was going to ponder on whether that might be Fairfax, but it suddenly occurred to me: I reckon it was the statue maker himself. I can't imagine the Dark Judges knocking up their own statue, but I can imagine them keeping an artist alive and forcing them to build a commemoration of their (and a world's) demise. Then killing him in its shadow after the unveiling (witnessed by the creator and the four remaining Dark Judges). A little like how pyramid architects would be walled into their creations with their pharaohs.

Don't know if you realised but the statue had an appearance (sort of) in Dreams of Deadworld - this cover was not actually a group shot of all four Dark Judges, as it's actually Fear, Fire and Mortis stood in front of Death's statue!

(http://www.kekw.org/uploads/2/1/2/1/21217902/8870571_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ZenArcade on 19 May, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
Good observation Jimbo. Tainted has been a triumph for the Prog in 2016. Unmissable week in week out. Z
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Steve Green on 19 May, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
I've loved Tainted.

It was pointed out to me by Mr Burdis that [spoiler]The leads could escape using the D-warps, potentially even leading Death to Mega City One.

Although if you believe Sidney the aliens bearing them didn't arrive until long after they killed the last person.

It might be an interesting way to take it, there's enough wiggle room and difference between the Tainted version and the original - at least to give them some hope/aim even if it ends up being snatched away from them[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ZenArcade on 19 May, 2016, 06:45:40 PM
Or just let them die at the hands of a group of possessed,  psychopathic ghouls in keeping with the general dynamic of the story concept. I hope the writer remains true to the fact that the Dark Judges extripated all life from their world.
Don't let there be a cop out and ensure that the horror of a pointless, cruel fate for all involved (which haunted a lot of readers youthful imaginations) is adhered to until the last soul on the planet dies needlessly to fulfill  the warped ideology of what are true monsters. No winners nor escapees in this one: please! Z
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Steve Green on 19 May, 2016, 06:46:42 PM
I didn't say it had to be successful.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ZenArcade on 19 May, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
True. Z
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 20 May, 2016, 05:00:10 AM
Because of my suffering internet. I couldn't post my usual commentary here last early this morning.

It was a doozey, at least I thought it was....

So, here's the abridged version.

That opening picture of Slough, Other Son of Feg standing full frontally nude and showing what circumcision taken too far probably is.

Nothing to see or read here aside from some very good & and exciting action visuals. Even I am tiring of the narrative/dialoge here that could be lifted away from the art work. Replaced by something more snappy &  to the point!

He has a very cool sword at least. It's some type of bastard sword. I'd like to own one and both variations of each axe wielded by our hero's...the same. Love those!

That very last image of Feg's Son holding his sword aloft, his long evil Cythy tongue displayed in such away as to remind me of....


By nature of how he's about to strike with sword while open mouth and tongue displayed in very similar manner. (Best picture I could find here!)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRP6T_jOPNht7Jhk7cxo0XpCGMAtYcJHBOOoTQOzXOB8FUsJRiAw)

By virtue of both their unnaturally distended tongues....

(https://theunfathomablemindofgod.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/gene-simmons-tongue.jpg)

By the way he's holds his sword as he's about to strike with that tongue displayed.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5ITYV7VUwPA/UTeAaDw2jbI/AAAAAAAAIZo/S1vHZDZsokI/s400/highlanderkurgan.jpg)

I do hope you all appreciate that I left ou the part where I described what the Primordial/Warped appearance of Gort & Slaine truly reminds me of and that Slaine always has that wide gaping grin that display more of his gullet. Maybe that Simon Davis has taken cues from the description of Cu-Chulainn....

....His mouth weirdly distorted: his cheek peeled back from his jaws until the gullet appeared....

I would have liked to see more variation here. I still prefer the warpings of Glen Fabry.

Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: DrRocka on 21 May, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Five pages in, and no-one's noticed that Zig and Zag (or at least, their descendants), are happily traversing the streets of Brit - Cit? 
Loving the prog right now, and yeah, my fears of the prog/Meg crossovers seems unfounded. The story's great and shaping up well in the prog alone. Sorry for the whinging, Mighty One. How could I have ever doubted you?
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Jacqusie on 21 May, 2016, 10:59:57 PM

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I've stood up this Slaine longer than most and I've enjoyed the first two books of The Brutania Chronciles but really this book after fooling me at the start, is just dull old nonsense. I mean really we have another Slaine about to be behead cliffhanger. Really. Dull.

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I'm not sure if we are supposed to be remembering any of the stories from the ABC warriors or Slaine, those cliffhanger endings are supposed to feel fresh and original after all...

I'm always pleased when something happens to stop Slaine getting beheaded, as I worry all week about him, I really do...
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Keef Monkey on 23 May, 2016, 03:26:02 PM
The stories in Slaine and ABC Warriors completely pass me by nowadays, I have no idea what's going on or when these things are set in the grand scheme of things to be honest. Usually the art sees me through both, and Slaine in particular always looks incredible, but these last few episodes it seems there's really not been much for Davis to work with so it's struggled to hold my interest.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Fungus on 24 May, 2016, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 23 May, 2016, 03:26:02 PM
The stories in Slaine and ABC Warriors completely pass me by nowadays, I have no idea what's going on or when these things are set in the grand scheme of things to be honest. Usually the art sees me through both, and Slaine in particular always looks incredible, but these last few episodes it seems there's really not been much for Davis to work with so it's struggled to hold my interest.

Me too.
Slaine promises much, but it's not happening at the moment.

Only really enjoyed Brink this week, slim pickings.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 June, 2016, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 14 May, 2016, 08:35:21 PM
The 'Coming Soon' box has been bothering me all day; I love MacNeil's art but am I the only one who thinks he's an odd choice for Defoe?

I think his art is constantly improving and it started out head and shoulders above the rest of the field at the time!
His recent rendering of silhouettes along with some cracking layouts means that Defoe's in safe hands and IMHO better hands.
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 01 June, 2016, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 June, 2016, 05:39:41 PM
His recent rendering of silhouettes along with some cracking layouts means that Defoe's in safe hands and IMHO better hands.

Sometimes, an artistic reshuffle works wonders in the prog... I'm particularly thinking of Cam Kennedy's transfer to Dredd from Rogue Trooper, but it's easy to forget that Simon Davis (for example) was probably as well known for Missionary Man before making Sinister/Dexter very much his own.

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: Dash Decent on 06 July, 2016, 02:11:09 PM
I know I'm way behind here, but I just glanced at the cover of prog 1981 and it occurred to me that the inverted V at the foot of the middle digits of "2000" could match the bridge of Joe's nose just as well as the top of his head.

(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/Prog_1981_zpsbfdzewpm.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 1981 - The Law Lives
Post by: A.Cow on 08 July, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
I can die happy knowing that I have been in the presence of pure genius.