Day of Chaos 2: a.Covid-19 thread.

[Funt Solo]

Mini-Solo (8) has taken to approaching people in stores who wear their masks off their nose or as a chin-cosy and asking them if they would please wear it properly.

Sometimes it works.

[von Boom]

That irritates me no end and I see it a lot.

[The Legendary Shark]

Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Meta-Analysis & Public Policy Implications.

[RocketMother]

Right now here in Florida 1 in every 64 people have a confirmed case of Covid.

Meanwhile the governor has said it's ok for bars and restaurants to return to normal

For the last few months (it began far too late but that's another story) a lot of stores had mask mandates. I went out to get supplies a couple of days ago and the signage telling people they must wear masks has been removed and the workers at one of the stores were no longer wearing masks...

I don't think the outside world understands just how bad things are here or how ABSOLUTELY F'ING STUPID the leaders are here. I know they are bad in other countries but having lived in both the UK and the US I can say first hand it's much worse here.

Rant over (for now...)

[The Legendary Shark]

Public Health Lessons Learned From Biases in Coronavirus Mortality Overestimation (Cambridge Core.)

[The Legendary Shark]

NIH face mask studies from 2004-2020:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/

Cloth Mask Study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/
PMC4420971/

Other Mask Studies:

https://medrxiv.org/
content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1...
https://medrxiv.org/
content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2...
https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/
NEJMp2006372...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/
fullarticle/2749214...
https://cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567...
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/
PMC5779801/...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-
oa-0201.pdf...
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/
PMC4420971/...
https://academic.oup.com/cid/
article/65/11/1934/4068747...
https://jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_
pdf/-char/en...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/
BF01658736...
https://journalofhospitalinfection.com/
article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf...
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/
PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf
https://cidrap.umn.edu/news-
perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-
covid-19-not-based-sound-data...
https://nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-
consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-
masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-
april-8-2020...
https://nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6...
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/
article/26/5/19-0994_article...
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/
article/54/7/789/202744...
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/
PMC6599448/...
https://acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342

[TordelBack]

The RB Brown one has been doing the rounds since August, and it's quite a read, but it's pehaps worth noting that while the author is a graduate student in epidemiology, his PhD is actually in psychology.

Events seem to overtaken many of his conclusions. The Sept/October updates to this Medium article are worth a look. But I still think Brown makes good points about the psychology of the response.

[The Legendary Shark]

Excellent, thank you.

[Rately]

My COVID conspiracy cousin has been strangely quiet in our Group Chat since one of our friend's wives caught the bloody thing, and has been confined to bed for four days.

if he posts anything, even one shitey, snide, "i know better and am free" post, i am seriously going to lose it. Mind you, one off our mates in the chat works as a Software Engineer or summat, for BT, and he argued with him about bloody 5G!

[TordelBack]

[Ulr=https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/10/continual-local-lockdowns-answer-covid-control?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true]This [/url] is about as sensible a piece as I've read thus far.

My old man, very frail diabetic cancer patient, spent 13 hours on a trolley in A&E yesterday, alone and confused. How 'shielded' do you reckon he was for that time, or even now when he's finally in a ward? How shielded will my mother be if/when she resumes her duties as his 24/7 carer? My vulnerable wife's workplace has reorganised to keep people separated, but how shielded is she when our kids come home from classrooms that have exactly as many kids jammed into them as always?  It's plain nonsense to suggest the vulnerable can be protected long-term.

Consistent social distancing, properly resourced deep track and trace, until a vaccine can be fully rolled out. There's no other way, but 8 months on there's no sign of either, just a cycle of complacency, catastrophe, complacency.

[TordelBack]

Ah jeez. That link again.

[Rately]

[Ulr=https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/10/continual-local-lockdowns-answer-covid-control?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true]This [/url] is about as sensible a piece as I've read thus far.

My old man, very frail diabetic cancer patient, spent 13 hours on a trolley in A&E yesterday, alone and confused. How 'shielded' do you reckon he was for that time, or even now when he's finally in a ward? How shielded will my mother be if/when she resumes her duties as his 24/7 carer? My vulnerable wife's workplace has reorganised to keep people separated, but how shielded is she when our kids come home from classrooms that have exactly as many kids jammed into them as always?  It's plain nonsense to suggest the vulnerable can be protected long-term.

Consistent social distancing, properly resourced deep track and trace, until a vaccine can be fully rolled out. There's no other way, but 8 months on there's no sign of either, just a cycle of complacency, catastrophe, complacency.

Just one long continued Day Of Chaos.

Hoping things get better for you and yours TordelBack.

[Tjm86]

t how shielded is she when our kids come home from classrooms that have exactly as many kids jammed into them as always?  It's plain nonsense to suggest the vulnerable can be protected long-term.

Even in well organised schools the Covid-secure measures are slightly more than a little bonkers.  It is easier for Primary than Secondary school.  The best you can hope for there are "year group bubbles", something that goes out the window the moment the kids leave at the end of the day.

I tend to listen to LBC on the drive home from work just to get out of the echo chamber.  It is fascinating in a "watching a car crash unfold" sort of way.  Someone did make a good point recently on the subject of the "vulnerable".  They suggested that the idea that they should just lock themselves away and not come out until the end of the pandemic was an incredibly unjust proposition.  Granted it might be for their own safety but there is also a sense that they should not burden the rest of us.  Mind you, it feels at times like that's the British way.   

[paddykafka]

Fingers crossed for you and yours, Tordels. All the best and take care.

[IndigoPrime]

My kid has a bubble of 30. But that doesn't work, because her friends have siblings. People go to work. So the bubbles have inevitable overlap. The government doesn't even seem aware of this. We should be distancing at all times, mandating mask use at all times in public areas, and urging people to work from home when we possible.