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: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Beeks 15 July, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
Announced by Duncan Jones on Twitter!!
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: Beeks 15 July, 2018, 06:05:47 PM
https://twitter.com/manmademoon/status/1018540768561004546?s=21
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: Colin YNWA 15 July, 2018, 06:07:11 PM
Beat me to it. The boards about to go ballistic!
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: Beeks 15 July, 2018, 06:11:12 PM
Beat me to it. The boards about to go ballistic!

He’s been hinting for awhile but must admit that’s broadsides me!

So excited..not just for the film but for 2000ad
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: Bolt-01 15 July, 2018, 06:52:28 PM
Oh, hells Yeah!
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: Leigh S 15 July, 2018, 07:06:58 PM
Rogue's an interesting one!  I'm not so wedded to the character as Dredd/Stront/Nemesis, so there's wriggle room, and I think there's room to make a film that could actually reboot the character for the better.  That said, I think the main weakness in Rogue was never the set up, including Gunnar/Helm/Bagman, but the way it never contextualised the things that seem a bit GFDy (3 SLOTS - 4 MAN SQUADS!). The otehr problem is it never quite found a way to put Rogue's search into a consistent conflict, where the warring sides and the world felt "solid" - the boundaries of the war, the geography and the stakes.


If Duncan Jones can find a way of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, we might finally see Rogue live up to the promise that the strip always teased us with.  Visually I think its all there in Gibbons/Kennedy/Wilson/Ewins art, and in the 2000~AD tradition of taking the visual and cultural language (in this case of WAR!) and distorting and ballooning it to insane levels.  I want to see a Nu Earth that is a true hell hole, but perhaps in some ways a beautiful, chem coloured, crazy, over the top experience - not just men in chem suits and a quarry! hopefully they will have the budget to do that element well.
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: Leigh S 15 July, 2018, 07:07:54 PM
Also, hope GFD, Gibbons and arguably Steve MacManus will see some proper recompense
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: von Boom 15 July, 2018, 07:32:15 PM
Exciting news and probably a lot easier to market to a US audience.
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: Colin YNWA 15 July, 2018, 07:37:07 PM
Its very exciting for those that love Rogue and there do seem to be many. It seems like a simple enough concept (once you've sussed how to make the Bio-chips work I guess) and you can easily imagine how it will be visually interesting - just use Colin Wilson's design for vehicles they feel so solid and real as they are.

For me the fundamental problem they'll face, as with the strip, is the led character is so bland. Still there will be smarter people than me involved so I'm sure they'll sort that... by just not making bland being my first guess!
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 July, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
Really looking forward to this.  Rogue may be a bit lacking in personality but I think he can easily carry a story of there's enough interesting things going on around him (re. Cinnabar and my fawning interview about it on Eamonn's podcast).

Now, body paint or CGI? (Or maybe he won't be blue at all - I really hope he is though.)
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: Leigh S 15 July, 2018, 07:45:12 PM
I think this is another area where Rogue lets itself down, but it doesnt require reimagining, just a bit of thought - the same thought that gave us "Portrait of a Mutant" or "A Question of Judgement".  Rogue is a genetically engineered supersoldier, so he isnt going to have been given much of a soul, but that's the strength - like Dredd, who was brought up to enforce the law implacably.  Rogue was not meant to have feelings, he wasnt meant to go Rogue, he is in many way a child soldier - (just how old is he in real years?  I can't see Millicom waiting 20 years to see if they worked, despite what the tshirts in Millicom memories might suggest!  All kinds of interesting angles that dont ahve to reinvent the character
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: Angry Vince 15 July, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
Holy fu....
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 July, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
I often wondered how old Rogue was. He can't have been much more than 18 when the Quartz Zone massacre happened.
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: Greg M. 15 July, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
For me the fundamental problem they'll face, as with the strip, is the led character is so bland.

Just play him as a cool, laconic soldier, the grounded straight-man to the three much more extreme bio-chips. I'm not expecting an adaptation of Cinnabar, but that's how you do the bio-chips - Gunnar as the venomous, smart-mouthed bitch, Bagman as the seemingly sensible one who's quietly but profoundly insane, and Helm trying to convince everybody (himself included) that everything's fine and he's got this.

Aside from that, I'm with Leigh S - a surreal, OTT journey into a bizarre future-tech-strewn landscape in which the madness of war is turned up to 11. Plot optional.
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: Apestrife 15 July, 2018, 07:58:58 PM
Wow!  :D
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: The Legendary Shark 15 July, 2018, 08:06:48 PM

Zarjaz! Let's knife!

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: Crom 15 July, 2018, 08:55:34 PM
Probably way too soon to ask, but is there any word on where it might be filmed? Really hope it's here in the UK.
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: The Legendary Shark 15 July, 2018, 09:03:06 PM

It needs to be a spoiled, poisonous wilderness. So, Birmingham, probably...

:-p

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: Bolt-01 15 July, 2018, 09:45:55 PM
...sigh...
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: Swerty 15 July, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
Brilliant news
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: shaolin_monkey 15 July, 2018, 10:39:24 PM
Yes yes yes YEEEEEESSSSS!!!
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: Cookyman 15 July, 2018, 11:01:31 PM
Rogue has always been the straight man to his bio chips if they stick to this then they can have some quality banter.  This is exciting news and may even lead to a 2000ad cinematic universe, Button Man next please. 

Sorry had a thrill power overload there which caused my optimism to spike!
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 16 July, 2018, 01:04:28 AM
Amazing! It's fantastic material for a film, and great to hear Duncan's a fan. 2000ad awareness is on the rise I hope!
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: flesario 16 July, 2018, 06:51:35 AM
This could be great. Very good news. Might it be a wholly CGI job like Warcraft? We'll see. I expect we'll see more of him in the prog as well.
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: Steve Green 16 July, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
Exciting!

Best of luck to Duncan bringing it to the screen!
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: wedgeski 16 July, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
Holy crap! Now the long wait...
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: Link Prime 16 July, 2018, 09:29:12 AM
I remember some rumbling rumours of a Duncan Jones 2000AD project at the 40th bash, but had incorrectly assumed it would be Strontium Dog.

Looking forward to this of course and absolutely delighted for all those Prog 228 Ebay floggers who will reach new dizzying heights of an £8.99 price spike.
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: PlanetReplicas 16 July, 2018, 09:51:49 AM
Absolutely delighted to hear this last night.
Brilliant news. Couldn't be happier!!!
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: dweezil2 16 July, 2018, 09:58:52 AM
Excellent news!
Let the casting speculation commence!!!!  :lol:
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 16 July, 2018, 10:51:25 AM
Good Grud who could play Rogue Trooper or is he going to be a CGI character played by someone like Andy Serkis? Fantastic news for Rebellion and 2000AD fans!
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: DrRocka 16 July, 2018, 11:13:35 AM
Would this not be the CGI/quasi animated style of Warcraft?
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: Jim_Campbell 16 July, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
Would this not be the CGI/quasi animated style of Warcraft?

With Rogue’s near-zero brand recognition amongst the general public, I’d expect the budget to be quite a bit smaller than Warcraft’s…
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 16 July, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
Would this not be the CGI/quasi animated style of Warcraft?

I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better. The Apes in the those Planet of the Apes films certainly look believable to the audience. I hope Rogue has a 'Stealth' adaption added so he can change the colour of his skin chameleon style to suit the environment he's fighting in and blend effectively into the background.
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: Beeks 16 July, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
I’d like to see something with the look of ‘Edge Of Tomorrow’ a film that despite Tom Cruise, I loved

I wasn’t a huge fan of Rogue Trooper as a kid..Johnny, Joe, Ro-Jaws, Torquemada et al took up most of my attention..but as far as conversion to the big screen goes and appeal to a mass audience who would have never heard of the strip..Rogue is as good as it gets
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: Jim_Campbell 16 July, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better.

Are those the only two options? Would it not be possible to tweak the skin colour of a real actor as part of the digital grading process? (Genuinely curious, not being snarky.)
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: Keef Monkey 16 July, 2018, 12:13:33 PM
If we're talking dream casting, I'd always thought Tom Jane would make a fantastic Rogue.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 16 July, 2018, 12:24:31 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better.

Are those the only two options? Would it not be possible to tweak the skin colour of a real actor as part of the digital grading process? (Genuinely curious, not being snarky.)

Whichever style works best if they got the money! That is, of course, a bit of an unknown at the moment. I'm genuinely surprised it was Rogue rather than something like Dredd 2 or even a Sinister Dexter/Button Man style film which would be cheaper production wise.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 16 July, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
If we're talking dream casting, I'd always thought Tom Jane would make a fantastic Rogue.

Sold!! I bloody love Tom Jane. Joel Kinnamon has a the look for it for me too, not so sure of the acting though
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: sheridan 16 July, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
Its very exciting for those that love Rogue and there do seem to be many. It seems like a simple enough concept (once you've sussed how to make the Bio-chips work I guess)


Worked for KITT on low-budget TV in the early 1980s - can't see biochips would be a problem now.
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: sheridan 16 July, 2018, 12:31:57 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better. The Apes in the those Planet of the Apes films certainly look believable to the audience.


It's easier to make a non-human creature believable to an audience, as they're not so familiar with them, whereas we have close contact, look at and talk to human being's faces every day.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 16 July, 2018, 12:43:24 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better. The Apes in the those Planet of the Apes films certainly look believable to the audience.

It's easier to make a non-human creature believable to an audience, as they're not so familiar with them, whereas we have close contact, look at and talk to human being's faces every day.

An Actor then but who? WHO? What about his Bio Chip buddies or will he even have them? They could make it a straight revenge story without Helm, Gunnar or Bagman's synth chips and the 3 Amigos would appear during the old 'Nam flashback disease they seem to have in Movies a lot as his cannon fodder Pals.
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: Link Prime 16 July, 2018, 01:05:12 PM
An Actor then but who? WHO?

Jake Gyllenhaal.
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: Colin YNWA 16 July, 2018, 01:08:52 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better.

Are those the only two options? Would it not be possible to tweak the skin colour of a real actor ...

That's a bit harsh Jim, what you want some poor schmo injected with blueberry juice or some such!
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: davidbishop 16 July, 2018, 01:17:32 PM
I hear Scarlett Johansson has a gap in her schedule...
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: Steve Green 16 July, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
I assume it's cheaper to have a painted actor but maybe a CGI Rogue would be better.

Are those the only two options? Would it not be possible to tweak the skin colour of a real actor as part of the digital grading process? (Genuinely curious, not being snarky.)

You could, depends on what's else in the background.

If any of the landscape shifts towards pinks/browns then they're going to shift colour as well - but if you're rotoscoping characters, not such a big deal.

Tried doing it to a degree on the short where makeup was wearing thin/off during stunts, but it tended to shift more than just him, and since there was only one instance of a regular human with pink skin, it might have just made it look like a blueish grade rather than him being blue.

I imagine it would just be makeup and any required digital touch ups - CGI reserved for armies. Could probably get quite a lot out of head mounting a camera for the southers and doing digital versions for the medium to background troops, since you're only seeing their face through a visor.
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: Trooper McFad 16 July, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
This is fantastic news 👍🏻👍🏻. Rogue was my first favourite when I was introduced the world of 2000AD. Yes the story lines aren’t as varied as Dredd & Jonny but as a possible one off film (would prefer a trilogy in his search for the Traitor General) this could be a great Futuristic shoot em up to introduce a new audience to the world of Tharg and the thrills contained in the pages of the progs.
I hope they don’t stray too far from the essence of Rogue & his buddies and try and cram too many nods to characters or stories in his adventures i.e. Stallones  “Judge Dredd” .
Any rumours on time scales or is this just an open ended project?
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: Steve Green 16 July, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
It's not even been officially announced by Rebellion, early days.

Duncan tweeted something along the lines of condensing a childhood favourite last year (I think), if it was that I imagine there's some kind of treatment at least.
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: Taryn Tailz 16 July, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
I hear Scarlett Johansson has a gap in her schedule...


Very well played.  :lol:
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: DaveGYNWA 16 July, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
So we're looking for someone who looks good in blue....

(https://www.superherodb.com/pictures2/portraits/10/100/884.jpg)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/8/83/Guardians_Of_The_Galaxy_XBS0190_comp_v003.1002.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20140730181153)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/b/bd/Papa_Smurf123.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20130805130238)

And the lads pre-biochip:

(https://www.shropshirestar.com/resizer/1gBJ2PfvL3gh1iBDDnij7Li9Teg=/1000x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-shropshirestar-mna.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZFMK7WF2HVCUJBF3YOKAWTEVGU.jpg)
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: Tjm86 16 July, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
Didn't Tulio give the Smurfs the Nu-Earth treatment last year?  Or was that a particularly dubious batch of meds?
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: JayzusB.Christ 16 July, 2018, 04:20:46 PM
It's times like this I wish the Mayor were still around, just to read his casting suggestions.  Justin Bieber as the Traitor General, perhaps?
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: The Legendary Shark 16 July, 2018, 04:34:07 PM
Rogue - Idris Elba
Helm - Ricky Gervais
Bagman - Steven Merchant
Gunnar - Karl Pilkington
Traitor General - Richard E Grant
Venus - Uma Thurman
Major Magnum - Schwarzenegger

This is why I don't make films...
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: blackmocco 16 July, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Would this not be the CGI/quasi animated style of Warcraft?

With Rogue’s near-zero brand recognition amongst the general public, I’d expect the budget to be quite a bit smaller than Warcraft’s…

And all the better for that, I think. Moon was great. WoW was very much not. Rogue could be done relatively cheaply (compared to the likes of Dredd where an entire city needs to be built every time).
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: radiator 16 July, 2018, 05:41:17 PM
Interesting news, good on Mr Jones!

I'm going to assume this is going to be a fairly low budget indie type deal more along the lines of Moon than Warcraft?
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: Beeks 16 July, 2018, 07:03:37 PM
A little more info on the main website

https://2000ad.com/post/3755
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: sheridan 16 July, 2018, 09:48:41 PM
A little more info on the main website

https://2000ad.com/post/3755

Woo-hoo!  Properly official now!
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: hazy efc 16 July, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
Amazing news a Rouge Trooper film by Duncan Jones wow this could turn out to be something really special, Duncan's film moon is fantastic so I'm super excited to see what he does with the Rouge charcter, and fingers crossed Sam Rockwell turns up somewhere in the film but not as Rouge lol I could definitely see him as the Traitor General though :D
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: wedgeski 17 July, 2018, 09:16:15 AM
Good! Great! Mr. Jones is a fine director. Blue skin paint will be just fine. War robots are easy CGI and should be nice and cheap. The core revenge story is an easy sell. Can't wait!
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: credo 17 July, 2018, 10:37:09 AM
Rogue - Idris Elba
Helm - Ricky Gervais
Bagman - Steven Merchant
Gunnar - Karl Pilkington
Traitor General - Richard E Grant
Venus - Uma Thurman
Major Magnum - Schwarzenegger

This is why I don't make films...

Rogue as an actor of colour would definitely be a winner for me. Always thought that the combination of US Civil War and WW2 characterisations of the Norts and Southers was an oft-overlooked bit of genius. Both sides are bad guys - the Norts are nasty Nazi torturers, but the Southers sought to conduct their war using what are basically slave soldiers.

The film must have the following: Hoppers, bio-wire, glass zones chem-fog.
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: I, Cosh 17 July, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Just make the whole thing an adaptation of Fort Neuro and I'll go twice.
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: Trooper McFad 17 July, 2018, 12:17:19 PM
What age bracket would be best to show the brutality of Nu earth I’d prefer an 18 but to pick up a new audience it might have to be a 15 or possibly a 12A! I don’t think they need to use today’s profanities but could easily add in the strips terminology “synth out” etc. Which should help the rating be lower.
Looking at the standard of violence on Deadpool they could still get away with a lot in a 15.
On what I’d like to see : sentary Turrets and Rogue traversing a couple of zones on what ever story they pick.
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: sheridan 17 July, 2018, 12:47:02 PM
but the Southers sought to conduct their war using what are basically slave soldiers.

Did they?  Don't remember that storyline?
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: sheridan 17 July, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
Just make the whole thing an adaptation of Fort Neuro and I'll go twice.


Glad I'm not the only one who loves Fort Neuropa!
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: Jim_Campbell 17 July, 2018, 01:00:24 PM

Did they?  Don't remember that storyline?

Did the GIs choose to fight…?
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: Greg M. 17 July, 2018, 01:11:33 PM
For the want list: stammels. I demand stammels.
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: sheridan 17 July, 2018, 01:18:30 PM

Did they?  Don't remember that storyline?

Did the GIs choose to fight…?

Ah, I see - I'd read the original statement as possibly being about conscription.
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: Steve Green 17 July, 2018, 01:46:45 PM
It's not something I picked up on as a kid.

The Space Spinner guys were talking about the South and that Brett Ewins cover with Rogue in chains, and he's a different colour, property of the military etc. there's a lot of other stuff there, beyond the chem clouds and biowire.
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: Cosier 17 July, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
What age bracket would be best to show the brutality of Nu earth I’d prefer an 18 but to pick up a new audience it might have to be a 15 or possibly a 12A! I don’t think they need to use today’s profanities but could easily add in the strips terminology “synth out” etc. Which should help the rating be lower.
Looking at the standard of violence on Deadpool they could still get away with a lot in a 15.

I think 12A or 15 would be for the best. If you make an 18 film, you're basically losing the teen market straight off the bat. Imagine what the box office for Dredd could have been if it were a 15...

I also think that Rogue Trooper would really struggle to get an 18 classification anyway because most of the BBFC's guidelines are based on context. The future war setting is so fantastical that the audience engages with the movie to a greater degree as a piece of fiction; whereas a modern-day urban setting gives movies a greater sense of reality, so violence and brutality feel more visceral and can incur a higher classification even for similar scenes. Duncan would have to really go out of his way to make an 18 version of Rogue (constant gore, brutal violence and strong swearing) and I'm not sure that would really add anything to the movie - best to stick to a 12A or a 15.
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: Trooper McFad 17 July, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
On my afternoon lunch time stroll I was thinking what type of story would I like to see and I was torn between a straight from the start origins involving the Quartz Massacre or dropped in the middle of Rogues search for the Traitor with flash backs to fill in the Quartz stuff
The more I thought about it I came down on the action packed straight to hunting down the Traitor. Too much screen time could be wasted on the buildup to the the massacre then a truncated search for the Traitor. I think it has to grab the audience ASAP.

Then I thought feck it as long as it’s made I’ll probably be happy 😃 let the professionals get on with it they’ll have better story lines than me and so far I’ve been  entertained for 40 odd years 👍🏻
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: Tiplodocus 17 July, 2018, 02:24:22 PM
Grim and gritty but with talking hat?

Let's keep it a 12a is my hope.
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: I, Cosh 17 July, 2018, 02:36:36 PM
Grim and gritty but with talking hat?
Is this your pitch for the Dirty Harry Potter movie?
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 17 July, 2018, 03:20:40 PM
12 seems too low to me? The world of Nu-Earth is as grim as it comes.
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: Pyroxian 17 July, 2018, 03:26:16 PM
Let's keep it a 12a is my hope.

12a would be nice - could go and see it with my nephew then...
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: JayzusB.Christ 17 July, 2018, 03:36:15 PM
I would like some horrible biowire deaths please.
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: Trooper McFad 17 July, 2018, 03:57:15 PM
Some laz knife fights would be good ⚔️ and good few long range snipes
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 17 July, 2018, 07:33:16 PM
I think it could be good for 2000ad to focus on the adult side of their properties with their films, to differentiate themselves and project the their own identity. 2000ad was always the 'cool older brother' of comics to me, why not of films too.
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: Goaty 17 July, 2018, 08:29:37 PM
(First post after two months break from this forum)

Great news about film of Rogue Trooper, a film with flashback to the Quartz Zone Massacre would be perfect story. (maybe doing first three stories in 2000AD, that debut page would be great opening)

For the casting, I just think Ben Foster could be perfect, as he always give haunting look;

(https://www.whatsonstage.com/dyn/photos/whatsonstage/v1finw480/ben-foster-as-stanley-in-a-streetcar-named-desire-at-the-89998.jpg)
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: Tiplodocus 17 July, 2018, 09:43:07 PM
Thinking about it, to differentiate it from almost everything else around, it would be great if it was more of a Venus Bluegenes movie. 

Following her as she follows Rogue's story would give you a fresh take on things but still allow you to see his origin, have kick ass action but avoid pitfalls of the movie being about a friuff loner with a big gun.
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: Taryn Tailz 17 July, 2018, 10:18:21 PM
...have kick ass action but avoid pitfalls of the movie being about a friuff loner with a big gun.

You're never alone with your bio-chip buddies.  ;)
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: Tjm86 18 July, 2018, 05:44:48 AM
Is this your pitch for the Dirty Harry Potter movie?

What where Hermione ....


Ah, sorry, not that kind of dirty?
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: sheridan 18 July, 2018, 12:42:56 PM
(First post after two months break from this forum)

Great news about film of Rogue Trooper, a film with flashback to the Quartz Zone Massacre would be perfect story. (maybe doing first three stories in 2000AD, that debut page would be great opening)


Welcome back!


As for how I'd do the film - if I'm optimistic, Rogue could do some wandering, get caught up in something like Fort Neuro, then wander off into the mists at the end (as there would be no point having a sequel if he catches the TG, as we know from bitter experience).
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: The Legendary Shark 18 July, 2018, 02:46:58 PM
Rogue gets trapped in a (cheap) underground tunnel complex going after an evil enemy general, accompanied only by an over-large helmet, his biochips and an inexperienced but competent female G.I... Oh, hang on a minute...
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: Proudhuff 18 July, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
Rogue gets trapped in a (cheap) underground tunnel complex going after an evil enemy general, accompanied only by an over-large helmet, his biochips and an inexperienced but competent female G.I... Oh, hang on a minute...

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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: JayzusB.Christ 18 July, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
So, is Grant Morrison still doing the script, or has that baldy occult ship sailed?
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: Jim_Campbell 18 July, 2018, 05:36:56 PM
So, is Grant Morrison still doing the script, or has that baldy occult ship sailed?

That was about seven (!) years ago, so I’d imagine so.
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: Steve Green 18 July, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
There was a Gary Whitta treatment floating about that Chris Weston did some concept art for as well.

It's possible Duncan might involve Gary, or it might be something completely new (thinking probably the latter)
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: Eric Plumrose 18 July, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
For the casting, I just think Ben Foster could be perfect

Bit short, nu?
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: Steven Denton 18 July, 2018, 07:39:13 PM
(First post after two months break from this forum)

Great news about film of Rogue Trooper, a film with flashback to the Quartz Zone Massacre would be perfect story. (maybe doing first three stories in 2000AD, that debut page would be great opening)


Welcome back!


As for how I'd do the film - if I'm optimistic, Rogue could do some wandering, get caught up in something like Fort Neuro, then wander off into the mists at the end (as there would be no point having a sequel if he catches the TG, as we know from bitter experience).

God no. Never bank on a sequel! Use all the A material, ALL OF IT, in the first film and have it as a complete, self contained story unit. Do not leave dangling plot threads and do not set things up for later films. If its a hit worry about what comes next then.
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: Woolly 18 July, 2018, 08:01:38 PM
(First post after two months break from this forum)

Great news about film of Rogue Trooper, a film with flashback to the Quartz Zone Massacre would be perfect story. (maybe doing first three stories in 2000AD, that debut page would be great opening)


Welcome back!


As for how I'd do the film - if I'm optimistic, Rogue could do some wandering, get caught up in something like Fort Neuro, then wander off into the mists at the end (as there would be no point having a sequel if he catches the TG, as we know from bitter experience).

God no. Never bank on a sequel! Use all the A material, ALL OF IT, in the first film and have it as a complete, self contained story unit. Do not leave dangling plot threads and do not set things up for later films. If its a hit worry about what comes next then.

Totally this.
As long as the Traitor General somehow survives. Y'know, just in case  ;)
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: Eric Plumrose 18 July, 2018, 08:19:07 PM
As long as the Traitor General somehow survives.

He does exactly that in Progue 238.
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: The Legendary Shark 18 July, 2018, 08:24:24 PM

All he's got to do is fall into a river.

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: Steve Green 18 July, 2018, 08:26:19 PM
I don't think I would be that bothered if the Traitor General was ditched or substantially changed so he's a bit less Hooded Claw/Bond Villain.

The Clavell stuff of confronting your creators is very Blade Runner too.

For me Rogue's been more about the journey rather than the destination - there's an abundance of interesting visuals in the strip, from terrible hallucinations with the Dreamweavers, bio wire crawling into suits, the mad tech of drills, decapitators and hard rain - but what story to tell is a tough one.

Seems like at the core you'd want some interaction with Rogue and the regular Souther troops - or even maybe the Marauders at the core of it, both sides sick of it.

And it depends what kind of budget there is of course.

Best of luck to the team, equally daunting and exciting I imagine.
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: JayzusB.Christ 18 July, 2018, 08:54:58 PM
So, is Grant Morrison still doing the script, or has that baldy occult ship sailed?

That was about seven (!) years ago, so I’d imagine so.

Sweet Jesus.  When did that near-decade go?  It's hard to imagine a Morrison Rogue anyway, though I've just remembered he did a (fairly average) Venus Bluegenes one-off.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 19 July, 2018, 10:58:07 AM
Let's assume Rogue Trooper has a similar Budget to Dredd had which tends to make it a mid-tier production. Outside shots might be limited to say the first fifth of the Movie and then it's mostly inside some Nort/Souther Base looking for information on the Traitor General. Rogue then has to contend with Souther/Nort Intelligence Corps both of who want the Traitor to survive for specific reasons. For the Norts it's the Souther Milli-Com Intel he provides, Goldust in Intelligence terms and as for the Souther's, 'turning' the traitor, making him work for them on his discovery since they must suspect somebody from their High Command is leaking information to the enemy. Rogue Trooper threatens both these interests with his resolute determination to identify and expose the Traitor, and we all know what happens to individuals who upset powerful Military forces even on this Earth.
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: Steven Denton 19 July, 2018, 11:05:03 AM
Let's assume Rogue Trooper has a similar Budget to Dredd had which tends to make it a mid-tier production. Outside shots might be limited to say the first fifth of the Movie and then it's mostly inside

Why would it need to be inside? The cost of re-creating a future city packed full of vehicles and citizens and a baron landscape are very different.   
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Yeah, Rogue has a lot of advantages on the budget front.
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: Jim_Campbell 19 July, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
It occurs to me that you could quite successfully use Full Metal Jacket as a template. Open on Nu Earth with a battle in the Quartz Zone going badly for the Southers — Milli-Com tells them to hold the line, help is on its way… something new that will turn the tide…

FLASHBACK: the first half of the movie is the then-secret GIs in training, perhaps with a little added spice from someone actively trying to sabotage/kill off the GIs (foreshadowing the TG’s ultimate betrayal), giving Rogue, Helm, Gunnar, Bagman and some supporting cast a chance to flesh out. Bonus: it’s cheap.

NOW: the second half of the movie, they deploy and it all goes a bit Saving Private Ryan. You could end with the biochips and Rogue… going Rogue.
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: JamesC 19 July, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
It occurs to me that you could quite successfully use Full Metal Jacket as a template. Open on Nu Earth with a battle in the Quartz Zone going badly for the Southers — Milli-Com tells them to hold the line, help is on its way… something new that will turn the tide…

FLASHBACK: the first half of the movie is the then-secret GIs in training, perhaps with a little added spice from someone actively trying to sabotage/kill off the GIs (foreshadowing the TG’s ultimate betrayal), giving Rogue, Helm, Gunnar, Bagman and some supporting cast a chance to flesh out. Bonus: it’s cheap.

NOW: the second half of the movie, they deploy and it all goes a bit Saving Private Ryan. You could end with the biochips and Rogue… going Rogue.

This is pretty much what I was thinking. There has to be some background to the GIs and it would be good to get to know Gunnar, Helm and Bagman pre-biochip to make the horror of the biochip state (and desperation for re-gening) hit home. I don’t think the search for the traitor general should really feature - the massacre and subsequent search should be where the film ends. A good framing device may be soldiers telling battlefield ghost stories/urban legends, then make the rest of the film something like FMJ or even Starship Troopers.
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 12:36:51 PM
It could be really horrific, beta-testing the biochip.

GI escorted into a lab on Milli-com, shot in the head and the chip extracted to prove the process 'works'
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: IndigoPrime 19 July, 2018, 12:37:45 PM
Let's assume Rogue Trooper has a similar Budget to Dredd had which tends to make it a mid-tier production.
Didn't they say in the end the $50m budget was bullshit, designed for investors, and the actual figure was much lower (something in the region of $35–40m)? That puts you in the same territory as the likes of Lucy, Paul, The Muppets, etc. What we got for the money in that film was quite astonishing.

As for Rogue, I'm not that fussed about the character, but I do hope it's a good film and a success. Moon is a superb slice of sci-fi, and showcases that Jones can do VFX on a tight budget. That said, I do hope they figure out how to deal with the biochips in a non-awful way. I always hated that stunning coincidence thing that the one called Rogue went rogue, the one named Gunnar ended up in the gun, and so on. That's fine for a comic for children, but would come across really badly in a movie. (I can't recall what Brian Ruckley did in the IDW version, but I remember Rogue's name came right at the end. I vaguely seem to recall they were basically all serial numbers, and given nicknames based on their subsequent situations. Hence 'bag man', rather than someone called Bagman ending up in a backpack.)
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: AlexF 19 July, 2018, 12:41:10 PM
Daniel Kaluuya for Rogue Trooper!

I think keeping the character young and ripe for disillusionment is the way to go.
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
I just imagine that they're nicknames they give themselves based on their abilities and what they drift towards.

Kind of works for Bagman and Gunnar, less so Helm - considering that they don't exactly have any experience outside of their training.

Or it's a designation, that it's a class of clone, so there's a Gunnar Class, a Bagman etc, and hundreds of each.

On Milli-com they'd just have a BXXXX or a GXXXX serial number amongst the Genies.

They are designed for a particular piece of equipment, in the event of an emergency.

Rogue is the awkward one, since he doesn't have anything to slot into.
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: TordelBack 19 July, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
i can contain myself no longer! First off, elements of Cinnabar should form the 2nd Act: Charybdis gives a unifying theme through the manufacture of genetically engineered materiel by both sides, plus gives the biochips opportunities to shine (Rogue less so).  As an obstacle to/stage of the hero's journey (Descent into the Abyss! Revelation! Rebirth!), it also serves as exposition about the world, and the nature of the 'sides' in the conflict, especially with added TG involvement. 

Second, War Machine got lots of things right, not least the nicknames: 001=Top, 013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.  Not sure how to translate this into Helm etc, but its a better path than the one that leads to short-lived member of the team Sammy, and of course the legendary (round these parts) unseen GI, Buttplug.

Also: another vote for Stammels. Non-negotiable.

The element of classic Rogue that always stumped me, even as a nipper, was why GI equipment wasn't equipped with some kind of AI control as standard: Rogue's gear is so phenomenally useful with his dead buddies on board, that it seems wasteful not to build that functionality in.  Solving the problem of the biochips(how? why? where?)  is key to this thing working - leaving them out removes so much of the premise that it would be up there with helmetless Dredd as a no-no.

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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 01:11:58 PM
i can contain myself no longer! First off, elements of Cinnabar should form the 2nd Act: Charybdis gives a unifying theme through the manufacture of genetically engineered materiel by both sides, plus gives the biochips opportunities to shine (Rogue less so).  As an obstacle to/stage of the hero's journey (Descent into the Abyss! Revelation! Rebirth!), it also serves as exposition about the world, and the nature of the 'sides' in the conflict, especially with added TG involvement. 

Second, War Machine got lots of things right, not least the nicknames: 001=Top, 013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.  Not sure how to translate this into Helm etc, but its a better path than the one that leads to short-lived member of the team Sammy, and of course the legendary (round these parts) unseen GI, Buttplug.

Also: another vote for Stammels. Non-negotiable.

Ahem, buttplug got a mention on a twitter thread I tagged PJ in - Duncan noticed that one...
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: Keef Monkey 19 July, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
One thing I've never understood about Rogue (and think would come across really oddly in a movie) is what Gunnar actually does in terms of aiming the gun. In the comics he's adjusting Rogue's aim for him (unless I've imagined that) and I just roll with that because the premise is so fun, even if I can't understand how he could be doing that.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 19 July, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Or it's a designation, that it's a class of clone, so there's a Gunnar Class, a Bagman etc, and hundreds of each.

I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?

I also like the IDW explaination IndigoPrime brought up, of them being numbers and naming themselves after the fact, perhaps that's better just in so much that watching them make their own names is some good characterisation.

The element of classic Rogue that always stumped me, even as a nipper, was why GI equipment wasn't equipped with some kind of AI control as standard: Rogue's gear is so phenomenally useful with his dead buddies on board, that it seems wasteful not to build that functionality in.

I just tell myself its the military always cuttin' corners man, they figured between the cost and the fact that your dead buddies' brains could do it..
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: JayzusB.Christ 19 July, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.

Christ, I'm thick. Never copped either of those till now
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: Steven Denton 19 July, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.

I think it would be a hard method to expand on without the GI battalion becoming a game of bingo.

'Ducks, Legs, Doctors orders, cover our left flank!'
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 02:59:15 PM
Or it's a designation, that it's a class of clone, so there's a Gunnar Class, a Bagman etc, and hundreds of each.

I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?

I also like the IDW explaination IndigoPrime brought up, of them being numbers and naming themselves after the fact, perhaps that's better just in so much that watching them make their own names is some good characterisation.

The element of classic Rogue that always stumped me, even as a nipper, was why GI equipment wasn't equipped with some kind of AI control as standard: Rogue's gear is so phenomenally useful with his dead buddies on board, that it seems wasteful not to build that functionality in.

I just tell myself its the military always cuttin' corners man, they figured between the cost and the fact that your dead buddies' brains could do it..

Maybe some sort of basic AI, like Dredd's gun that gets booted out when the chips are inserted.

Particularly now that alexa, siri etc are commonplace - doesn't make much sense that they'd not have anything at all.
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: Bolt-01 19 July, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
That's a good point- If the default chips in the kit 'are' voice activated- then each piece of kit would have to be coded to a specific GI voice pattern...
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: TordelBack 19 July, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
"Siri, dispense micro-mines".

When I think about it now, obviously the equipment had a basic vocal-command-and-response OS - the backpack has that little arm, for example, and what use is the helmet if he's not feeding his wearer info.
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: JamesC 19 July, 2018, 03:34:06 PM
There are loads of things that don’t quite make sense but it’s nothing that can’t be sorted out.
The chips should be able to talk out loud but it’s not much good for stealth if your hat keeps shouting things and giving away your position. They should be able to communicate with Rogue via an earpiece or something - and he with them by thought control, or at least by a whisper or something (whatever works cinematically).
I’m not really sure how Gunnar helps Rogue with aiming as such but painting targets, spotting and helping with tactical decisions seems reasonable.
I’m sure the weapons could have inbuilt AI but in fiction a computer programme is never as good as instinct or a ‘gut feeling’ that a bio chip could have.

I thought the computer game got a lot right. Using Gunnar for sentry duty was brilliant but I always wished he had limited autonomous movement after being placed. I think a Gunnar on mobile spider legged stand would look great on film.
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: Lobo Baggins 19 July, 2018, 03:34:30 PM
I just imagine that they're nicknames they give themselves based on their abilities and what they drift towards.

Kind of works for Bagman and Gunnar, less so Helm - considering that they don't exactly have any experience outside of their training.

Still works with Helm  - he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...
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: Jim_Campbell 19 July, 2018, 03:37:20 PM
he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

You're fired — Ed.
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: TordelBack 19 July, 2018, 03:37:59 PM
he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

No shame. No shame at all.
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: Leigh S 19 July, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?


No need for Rogue to have a slot - if all four of your squad are dead, there's no one to carry them!  Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip - hence the idea of classes of GI, three specialising in their equipment slot and one "rogue" who can fit in any of the three Jack of all trades level. 

The War Machine nicknames make less sense to me than the functional names of the original - why would soldiers bred for battle be made aware of the concept of Pool or superstitions - if we say the Genies named them, then you are back to the functional names being a cruel joke by the Genies, which I think works better
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: Bolt-01 19 July, 2018, 03:57:05 PM
I just imagine that they're nicknames they give themselves based on their abilities and what they drift towards.

Kind of works for Bagman and Gunnar, less so Helm - considering that they don't exactly have any experience outside of their training.

Still works with Helm  - he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

Bravo, sir. Bravo.
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: TordelBack 19 July, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip

Bagman could do it - "dispensng laz-scalpel, uh, me!".

As to the culturally-derived names of the War Machine GIs, given that Friday may partly get his name from a Genie ("a real Friday job", or something to that effect), the nicknames may be given by instructors, with a mnemonic component that allows them to remember the trooper's official number. OTOH, we know those troopers do have sanctioned recreational activities - Lucky has a pack of cards, for example - so why not other non-murderous activities/watching the snooker?  They are people, after all. 

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: GrudgeJohnDeed 19 July, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
No need for Rogue to have a slot - if all four of your squad are dead, there's no one to carry them!  Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip - hence the idea of classes of GI, three specialising in their equipment slot and one "rogue" who can fit in any of the three Jack of all trades level.

Yeah true, but it just seems odd to me that they've all got their specialisation with regards to being posthumously inserted into hardware, and Rogue doesn't.
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
Yeah, I think basically - equipment responds to voice commands, but doesn't have autonomy, but chipped equipment does.

The game did well with Gunnar as a sentry gun, can't remember if Bagman ever used his arm to fire Gunnar or throw him to Rogue - could follow that with the idea of Gunnar getting possessive and particularly doesn't like being handled by Bagman.

From a twitter post talking about Dredd's hard-R restricting box-office it sounds like it could skew to PG-13, so the slightly crazier elements could sit better than in something like Dredd.
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: Leigh S 19 July, 2018, 05:44:54 PM
From a practical point of view, someone has to lug the other chips about -  a tough job, but someone has to do it! You could try and find another piece of equipmnent for the fourth man, but since they are already  stretching things with Helm, it makes sense to have the fourth man a "rogue" who can fit in any slot should one of the specialists be the last GI standing

No need for Rogue to have a slot - if all four of your squad are dead, there's no one to carry them!  Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip - hence the idea of classes of GI, three specialising in their equipment slot and one "rogue" who can fit in any of the three Jack of all trades level.

Yeah true, but it just seems odd to me that they've all got their specialisation with regards to being posthumously inserted into hardware, and Rogue doesn't.
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: The Legendary Shark 19 July, 2018, 05:54:00 PM
As the Quartz Massacre was progressing, surely there'd be scores of G.I.s removing the chips of the dead and inserting them into equipment slots all over the place. I always wondered what became of all those bio-chipped weapons and why Rogue apparently abandoned them. Maybe a good story would be Rogue trying to rescue as many chips as possible (not only from "death" but also an enemy retrieval squad), carrying them across Nu Earth in a bloody sack only to find there's no hope for them. If the chips communicate via some form of bluetwooth or wi-fi (doing away with the need for voice-synthing), Rogue might be inundated with signals, driving him to the edge of madness so that, in the end, he is forced to either abandon them, except three, or crack up. The naming of the biochips might be done under encroaching insanity. The bodies of the dead G.I.s might be studied and reverse-engineered to produce a genetic monster which is bigger, stronger and madder than Rogue, but without the training or control.

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: GrudgeJohnDeed 19 July, 2018, 06:24:57 PM
From a practical point of view, someone has to lug the other chips about -  a tough job, but someone has to do it! You could try and find another piece of equipmnent for the fourth man, but since they are already  stretching things with Helm, it makes sense to have the fourth man a "rogue" who can fit in any slot should one of the specialists be the last GI standing

Yeah I getcha, perhaps also it could be that all 4 have specialisations, but all 4 are at least competent to an acceptable degree when inserted in slots not their own? That would be the most useful I guess.
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: Leigh S 19 July, 2018, 06:40:57 PM
You'd think that would be a good idea, but then theres that story where Rogue is blinded and puts the chips in the wrong slots with hilarious results - posssibly not the best story to use as source material for the film!   :lol:


From a practical point of view, someone has to lug the other chips about -  a tough job, but someone has to do it! You could try and find another piece of equipmnent for the fourth man, but since they are already  stretching things with Helm, it makes sense to have the fourth man a "rogue" who can fit in any slot should one of the specialists be the last GI standing

Yeah I getcha, perhaps also it could be that all 4 have specialisations, but all 4 are at least competent to an acceptable degree when inserted in slots not their own? That would be the most useful I guess.
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: Dandontdare 19 July, 2018, 07:55:17 PM
Plot-wise, I'd bet a pound to a penny that we'll see either a rookie soldier on his first posting, or a sexy female war correspondent, encountering Rogue whilst stranded in the chem-deserts, and being saved by him from all kinds of Nortynesss, whilst explaining the traitor general storyline, all leading to a final boss battle.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 19 July, 2018, 08:11:30 PM
Do you think this might be an attempt at an adult franchise that Dredd was supposed to start? There's a never-ending possibility for films set on Nu Earth so that you can see the logic of beginning another comic book Universe perhaps with a more mature audience in mind. I hope it does end in a cliffhanger though with Rogue thwarted in his attempt to discover the Traitors whereabouts and having to slog his way across the Nu Earth Battlefield just in time for the sequel.
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: JayzusB.Christ 19 July, 2018, 08:19:51 PM
I'll probably get shot for saying it, but I'm not entirely sure the film needs the Traitor General.  The first Friday story did ok without him, as did many of the original Rogue stories.

How about an adaptation of The Golden Fox Rebellion? (Joking about that bit of course.)
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: Magnetica 19 July, 2018, 10:27:49 PM
I’m strangely not excited yet. I just hope it will be good, but am afraid if it has a relatively modest budget it won’t look that great. I hope I am wrong and of course I realise a Star Wars or Marvel level budget is unrealistic.

I find it interesting that when Jason Kingsley was talking about Rebellion licensing 2000AD films at the 40th, the example discussed was Rogue Trooper. Coincidence or was something already in the pipeline?
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: Eric Plumrose 19 July, 2018, 10:29:08 PM
There are loads of things that don’t quite make sense but it’s nothing that can’t be sorted out.

Well, quite. Oh, sure they're GM gingers but why even have bio-chips when GI exceptionalism basically means they don't have to suit-up.
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: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 10:30:55 PM
I’m strangely not excited yet. I just hope it will be good, but am afraid if it has a relatively modest budget it won’t look that great. I hope I am wrong and of course I realise a Star Wars or Marvel level budget is unrealistic.

I find it interesting that when Jason Kingsley was talking about Rebellion licensing 2000AD films at the 40th, the example discussed was Rogue Trooper. Coincidence or was something already in the pipeline?

I think you're worrying over nothing.
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: TordelBack 19 July, 2018, 11:00:36 PM
I'll probably get shot for saying it, but I'm not entirely sure the film needs the Traitor General.

Probably true, he was at his best when he wasn't in the strip at all, although I do like the current Rennie/Holden version.  Betrayal is at the heart of the strip though, so some entity responsible for the massacre needs to appear - even if it's only the Clavell Corporation conducting a field test.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Steve Green 19 July, 2018, 11:06:58 PM
Yeah, there needs to be something there, just not sure about it being the Traitor.
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: JOE SOAP 19 July, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
Rogue, especially, needs a personal objective to make him empathic beyond just being a clone-soldier created solely to fight a war. His story is meant to be grounded; so if Rogue's own war is incited and personified by the Traitor General, or the illusion of such a figure, then that's perfectly fine and the way to go.

Rogue and the bio-chips need a solid reason to go rogue and the hunt for the General all ready ticks a lot of boxes that need to be ticked anyway: a private war fought within a greater war against a somewhat phantom enemy playing both sides in what is all ready an insane conflict allows for plenty of subtext about identity and personal agendas during wartime.

The Quartz Massacre is a must-see cinematic and story-device – and don't forget the black-hole (not Butt-Plug's peripheral).
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: Beeks 20 July, 2018, 12:20:52 AM
013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.

I think it would be a hard method to expand on without the GI battalion becoming a game of bingo.

'Ducks, Legs, Doctors orders, cover our left flank!'

Ah this made me chuckle far too hard  :lol:
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: sheridan 20 July, 2018, 01:10:47 AM
Ahem, buttplug got a mention on a twitter thread I tagged PJ in - Duncan noticed that one...


You were in a twitter thread with PJ and Duncan?
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 20 July, 2018, 10:26:08 AM
The Traitor General is the antithesis of Rogue Trooper, and that's what made him, for me anyway, a good villain. Rogue is loyal to his comrades, saves them and selflessly helps others including civilians targeted by raiders while the TG does it all for himself becoming a Raider Leader in the Marauders after his escape from Buzzard 3. Batman has his Joker, Judge Dredd Judge Death and Rogue his arch enemy is the Traitor, his dark mirror opposite. Hasn't Rogue himself betrayed the Souther cause by going Awol in the first place? What's your price for betrayal? Everyone has there price after all.
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: Steve Green 20 July, 2018, 11:23:58 AM
I like Magnam as a villain.

Could quite easily see him as a blue R Lee Ermey type leading the GIs into suicidal situations before being chipped, then turning up later in his gun/chip combination.
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: Dash Decent 20 July, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
I hope we see how much of a slog it is for normal soldiers to fight in all their gear, to really emphasise the advantage the GIs have being unencumbered - to the point of even going shirtless.

I have no problem with Rogue, Gunnar, Helm and Bagman having those names, as long as it doesn't continue into the Kovert, Magnam etc territory which just pushes it too far.
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: Dash Decent 20 July, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
As the Quartz Massacre was progressing, surely there'd be scores of G.I.s removing the chips of the dead and inserting them into equipment slots all over the place. I always wondered what became of all those bio-chipped weapons and why Rogue apparently abandoned them. Maybe a good story would be Rogue trying to rescue as many chips as possible (not only from "death" but also an enemy retrieval squad

I'm sure there was a story - perhaps the Black Flame novel, "Blood Relatives" - which had the Norts retrieving biochips for their own equivalent of the GI programme.  The 60 seconds out of slot rule helps ensure there can't be too many around (equipment eventually runs out of power, I suppose).  I also imagine Bagman might have some kind of special frame stored that could hold a small multiple of further chips, though if so I suppose we would have seen Rogue use it - at least when temporarily pulling the chips from their usual slots.
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: JayzusB.Christ 20 July, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
I liked the idea of dodgy, Mark 1 versions of GIs, like Alan Moore's deformed Nort equivalents, as well as his normal-human-spliced-with-supergenes Souther prototypes.  I also liked Pete Milligan and John Smith showing Rogue and the chips doing some very morally questionable things - it's war, and everyone involved is a killer.

A bit of a tangent, but I really liked that Tor Cyan Rogue-era-flashback story where Cyan returned to a beautiful, peaceful Nu Earth; and was saddened to see it trashed again in a future storyline.
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: TordelBack 20 July, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
I hope we see how much of a slog it is for normal soldiers to fight in all their gear, to really emphasise the advantage the GIs have being unencumbered - to the point of even going shirtless.

This is another key aspect, IMHO. Rogue's edge should be as much about being free of all that gear (and its associated concerns) as it is engineered strength etc.: this is the environment he was made to live in, everyone else is a deep-sea diver.
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: Leigh S 20 July, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Indeed - Rogue should be (from a Nort point of view) a character from a horror movie.

I hope we see how much of a slog it is for normal soldiers to fight in all their gear, to really emphasise the advantage the GIs have being unencumbered - to the point of even going shirtless.

This is another key aspect, IMHO. Rogue's edge should be as much about being free of all that gear (and its associated concerns) as it is engineered strength etc.: this is the environment he was made to live in, everyone else is a deep-sea diver.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 21 July, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
Will the classic comic Uniform for Rogue Trooper be curtailed to a certain degree? Judge Dredd had to have his 80's shoulder pads reduced for the 2012 film version and quite right to so will Rogue Trooper be wearing a Flak Vest or Body Armour of some kind? Running around bare-chested in a Warzone has 'low survivability threshold' written all over it, so I assume the Film Rogue will incorporate some features from the Comic, but not all.
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: Steve Green 21 July, 2018, 10:39:07 AM
I'm not that fussed TBH.

In the short, Helm had a top which helped a lot providing some protection with stunts, but they decided to go with shirtless Rogue since he wasn't rolling down a rock outcrop and to make him a bit different.

As he's got a tougher skin, I guess it doesn't really help much in story as protection.

I imagine there might be a mixture, particularly if you need to identify multiple GIs quickly.

I think Bagman would need to be slimmed down a bit, the original design is a bit of a boxy liability for stunts.
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: Magnetica 21 July, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
I think if he was wearing a gilet that would look ok.

Overall I am not sure that many changes to the uniform are needed. He has fairly regulation army  trousers, boots and helmet (biochip slot apart) anyway, so he looks pretty much like the soldiers in a load of war films. Apart from being blue, which is  the one thing I assume they won’t change given Jason Kingsley’s comments about that being a red line.
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: TordelBack 21 July, 2018, 11:14:52 AM
I think Bagman would need to be slimmed down a bit, the original design is a bit of a boxy liability for stunts.

They could do worse than taking a lead from the IDW version, both in look and concept.
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: Steve Green 21 July, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
I've only skimmed one issue - have the collection on order though.

The one cover I did see steered a bit too much towards looking like a turtle shell though.
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: TordelBack 21 July, 2018, 11:50:07 AM
The one cover I did see steered a bit too much towards looking like a turtle shell though.

I was about to say "Like Helm, you mean?", but then I remembered there are other heroes with half-shells out there that you might want to avoid overlap with.
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: Steve Green 21 July, 2018, 11:57:53 AM
Helm's supposed to be more like a cobra/snake according to a chat I had with Dave on the Planet Replicas stand at a con.
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: AlexF 23 July, 2018, 12:45:52 PM
Don't think any film producer I've heard of would be sad to have their main character running around topless for a whole movie, regardless of whether it makes sense. Six-packs sell tickets!
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: Dash Decent 24 July, 2018, 11:47:53 AM
They're making a Venus Bluegenes movie too?  Brilliant!
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: sheridan 24 July, 2018, 01:13:37 PM
I think if he was wearing a gilet that would look ok.

Overall I am not sure that many changes to the uniform are needed. He has fairly regulation army  trousers, boots and helmet (biochip slot apart) anyway, so he looks pretty much like the soldiers in a load of war films. Apart from being blue, which is  the one thing I assume they won’t change given Jason Kingsley’s comments about that being a red line.

Blue characters would never work in a film - just look at Avatar, The Smurfs (and Smurfs 2), Guardians of the Galaxy, X-Men...
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: sheridan 24 July, 2018, 01:14:13 PM
They're making a Venus Bluegenes movie too?  Brilliant!
Was that in response to the comment about lead characters spending the film topless?
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: Mardroid 24 July, 2018, 04:25:04 PM
Assuming the GIs' blue skin is meant to aid in camouflage, it actually make sense that they WOULD have a lot of skin showing, I'd think. Otherwise just give them camouflage gear. Okay, I suppose the change in colour could also be to differentiate them from the regular Souther troops too...

Disclaimer: This comment is not meant in reference to Venus Bluegenes. Honest.
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: Frank 24 July, 2018, 04:54:42 PM
Assuming the GIs' blue skin is meant to aid in camouflage ...

It would only really work in one specific circumstance, where the enemy was the right height and distance from Rogue Trooper that the belt line of his green leggings appeared perfectly in line with the horizon - and the Norts would wonder why a talking turtle was floating towards them at head height* - but any measure that gives the GI an edge on his opponent is invaluable.

(https://i.imgur.com/WllPBhE.png?1)
Rogue Trooper, yesterday


* Rogue would need to keep his eyes shut, too, and hide Gunnar behind his back.
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: JOE SOAP 24 July, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Assuming the GIs' blue skin is meant to aid in camouflage, it actually make sense that they WOULD have a lot of skin showing, I'd think. Otherwise just give them camouflage gear.

Or give GIs a reptilian gene that allows their ash-blue/intermediate coloured skin to blend in with tanks, rubble, and other assorted war zone landscapes – not the Predator style bending-of-light effect, of course.

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: Mardroid 24 July, 2018, 05:07:13 PM
It's not the best camouflage, true, but I can see it working at  night, or in an environment where lots of Shadows are fast.
I tend to visualise the GI skin as dark blue, although it's sometimes depicted lighter. Dark blue should work pretty well there.

Mind you, that's not saying much. Dark clothing and a bit of face paint for lighter skinned types would work just as well.
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: Link Prime 24 July, 2018, 05:09:58 PM
3 words for the FX team; Blue Chem Clouds.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 24 July, 2018, 06:04:13 PM
Yeah dark blue could be pretty good camo at night for sure. Is there a canon reason for it being blue? I always thought him being blue was just an unfortunate side-effect of the genetic engineering to be able to process toxins and whatnot.
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: Tjm86 24 July, 2018, 06:05:20 PM
3 words for the FX team; Blue Chem Clouds.

Isn't that Orbital's next single?
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: Frank 24 July, 2018, 06:48:50 PM
Yeah dark blue could be pretty good camo at night

If that was the reason, black would make more sense. And neither would be good camouflage in daylight, which (presumably) accounts for most of the available fighting time on Nu Earth, as it does on Old Earth.

Let's hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about (from the 2000ad panel at San Diego (https://2000ad.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/san-diego-comic-con-report-day-2-by-mick-cassidy/)):

Gibbons always intended Rogue’s skin to have scales, and his color was meant to be translucent, shimmering like a snake in the light. He also wanted to explore the idea that Rogue could regenerate wounds. Arms could grow back.

He gives a very moving and powerful deconstruction of the strip’s concept; how the ‘Kung Fu’ TV show and Alfred Bester’s ‘The Stars My Destination’ were huge influences on Rogue and his quest for vengeance.

We’re reminded that Rogue’s just a squaddie; a grunt born to kill but jaded by war. By the end, Gibbons has sold everyone on how large the myth of the last of the Genetic Infantrymen could and should be in a movie.

Didn’t know we came VERY close to a Rogue movie before, with Vin Diesel. (Would that have been the one Grant Morrison was supposedly working on…?) That it fell apart because the movie company didn’t want to paint Diesel blue*.



* Confirmed by Jason Kingsley at the 40th: https://youtu.be/nrvmYb161i4?t=29m4s
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: JOE SOAP 24 July, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
The original Rogue Trooper pitch:

(https://i.imgur.com/5LiTuOo.jpg)


(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_48189/subcat_133359/Gibbons%20Rogue%20ink%201.jpg)
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_48189/subcat_133359/1983AnnualRogue.jpg)
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 24 July, 2018, 07:38:47 PM
Cheers for the info! So it is just a side-effect right? It doesn't serve any function?
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: Frank 24 July, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
The original Rogue Trooper pitch:

https://i.imgur.com/5LiTuOo.jpg

Confirmed as Gibbons's handiwork (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=36541.msg696672#msg696672), rather than Gerry Finley-Day, as may be expected.


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: Magnetica 24 July, 2018, 08:29:43 PM
I think if he was wearing a gilet that would look ok.

Overall I am not sure that many changes to the uniform are needed. He has fairly regulation army  trousers, boots and helmet (biochip slot apart) anyway, so he looks pretty much like the soldiers in a load of war films. Apart from being blue, which is  the one thing I assume they won’t change given Jason Kingsley’s comments about that being a red line.

Blue characters would never work in a film - just look at Avatar, The Smurfs (and Smurfs 2), Guardians of the Galaxy, X-Men...

I don’t mind him being blue; in fact as Jason Kingsley said it is a requirement. I just think If changes were to be made (and that was the question I was responding to), then a gilet seems like a fairly innocuous change.

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: Steve Green 24 July, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
There's a fair bit of flexibility - even the comic tweaked the uniform during the original Rogue's run.

There's some practical issues - Bagman is pretty cumbersome for stunts, so they might scale him down or ditch him entirely for sequences where he'd be a liability.

Helm was pretty wide originally, again he might need a tweak.

I think as long as there are nods to the original design (the central biochip on helm + the 2 sensors either side) it will be fine.

The main thing I can see being a bit of a problem is location for Bagman and Gunnar, having to shoot from one side to see the biochip could get restrictive when you can't have speech balloons.
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: Leigh S 24 July, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
The best a man can get!

I think if he was wearing a gilet that would look ok.

Overall I am not sure that many changes to the uniform are needed. He has fairly regulation army  trousers, boots and helmet (biochip slot apart) anyway, so he looks pretty much like the soldiers in a load of war films. Apart from being blue, which is  the one thing I assume they won’t change given Jason Kingsley’s comments about that being a red line.

Blue characters would never work in a film - just look at Avatar, The Smurfs (and Smurfs 2), Guardians of the Galaxy, X-Men...

I don’t mind him being blue; in fact as Jason Kingsley said it is a requirement. I just think If changes were to be made (and that was the question I was responding to), then a gilet seems like a fairly innocuous change.
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: The Legendary Shark 24 July, 2018, 10:04:53 PM

His skin could be a chameleon-like pattern of subtly shifting blues to blend in with drifting chem-clouds.

Bagman could be re-purposed as Utilitybeltman.

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: Frank 24 July, 2018, 10:36:30 PM
Overall I am not sure that many changes to the uniform are needed.

He'd look terrible in overalls. They'll go for the War Machine 'Nam aesthetic, as the previous attempt to get Rogue onto the big screen did.

Some guy calling himself JOE SOAP tells you all about that, here, but I don't think that's his real name, so he's almost certainly a terrible person who hates 2000ad and is trying to bring it down from the inside:

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=41996.0

(http://i2.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Rogue-Trooper-painting.jpg)
Chris Weston, yesterday

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: blackmocco 25 July, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
The uniform, Rogue's color and the biochips were all discussed at the panel too, albeit through these blearily hungover eyeballs.

To sum up neatly, according to Gibbons:
- Rogue doesn't need to be blue. He'd like something to identify Rogue visually as not quite human but he doesn't have to be blue to do it.
- In the comic, Rogue was shirtless as the simplest visual cue to inform the reader that this is a soldier unaffected by Nu Earth's toxic atmosphere. Gibbons has no issue with Rogue wearing a shirt in a movie.
- I felt the biochips were being softly ridiculed as an idea by everyone on the panel. Even Gibbons said he dumped them for his version of Rogue (and he says he felt the wrath of the readership for doing so), but he feels - and far less importantly, so do I - that they're an essential part of Rogue's story. The voices of his dead friends accompanying and haunting him on his quest is too good a concept to discard. The danger is, as Gibbons also pointed out, is that Rogue wasn't always much of a deep character in the comic and when your main character is in danger of being upstaged by his backpack, you can run into problems.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 25 July, 2018, 04:40:26 PM
I wonder if they'll dump Helm, Gunnar and Bagman and have them as fleeting characters Rogues PTSD moments, the murdered comrades he saw die in front of him. Revenge will be the driving theme then, discovering the identity of the Traitor General and other Nort spies within the Milli Com war machine. Whose a loyal Souther and whose Nordland scum could be a topical commentary on the current partisan state of Amercian Politics at this moment. 
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: Greg M. 25 July, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
Lose the chips and you lose the most interesting part of the story. 'Haunted by memories of your dead buddies' is so much better when they're literally harassing you, bickering all the time, and fearing anybody that might domesticise you and drag you away from The Mission. (Not the band.)
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: Dandontdare 25 July, 2018, 04:57:18 PM
couldn't agree more - without the biochips , it's just a generic future war story.
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: Steve Green 25 July, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
Lose the biochips and you have the same problem Dredd has with knocking off the more interesting facets of the property.

It's fundamentally something that appealed to kids, trying to turn it into something it isn't seems a wrong step to take.

As for Rogue being upstaged by his gear, removing the competition isn't going to magically make him a deeper character.

I doubt anyone would query it if it were AI rather than his dead mates, even with Duncan Jones' own films he's got his lead conversing with a computer.
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: The Legendary Shark 25 July, 2018, 05:45:31 PM
I guess the biochips don't have to go into his equipment. A small "rescue terminal" with three slots/ports would do, I suppose. That might even set up the question of whether their voices are real or imagined, at least in the first half of the film.

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: JOE SOAP 25 July, 2018, 09:22:55 PM
Rogue without his bio-chip buddies is like Vic without Blood.

(https://i2.wp.com/janksreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/boy-dog-1.jpg?fit=1000%2C563)
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: Steve Green 25 July, 2018, 09:43:27 PM
Or Michael Knight without KITT.

You'll get Baywatch.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT YOU MONSTERS?
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: Frank 25 July, 2018, 10:09:11 PM

Does he have to be blue(?) is definitely the of course Dredd was always going to have to remove the helmet of this film's journey to the screen.

Maybe they should get rid of the biochips is the codpiece.


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: IAMTHESYSTEM 26 July, 2018, 10:52:54 AM
I hope the Bio Chips remain as I always felt that with his buddies present, it gave Rogue more to bounce off and a constant reminder of why he was fighting the war his way to get his fellow dead Troopers regened. Still if Helm, Gunnar and Bagman are just characters we meet briefly before oblivion beckons then I'm ok with that, but it's an opportunity lost IMHO. I've realised its probably a couple of years before we see the final product, but Duncan's got his vision of the story so two years will probably fly by us.
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: TordelBack 26 July, 2018, 11:56:30 AM
I wonder if there's a slightly different direction you could take with the biochips - that they actually are the G.I.s, their flesh bodies just a housing for fighting (and learning) algorithms that are endlessly repurposed. Popping them into equipment is just a step down from a humanoid form, and they could equally be slotted into other forms for different environments.    'Course Rogue and chums wouldn't necessarily know that, believing themselves to be 'real' soldiers, albeit engineered.  Perhaps this is another aspect to their betrayal...?

I realise this is a hoary SF concept, and also treads a bit on Bladerunner territory, and it does take away from the tragedy and ambiguity of the biochips.  But I do believe that the "electronic ghosts of his dead buddies" is absolutely integral to make a Rogue Trooper movie, rather than A. N. Other Future Soldier film.
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: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
If they were ditched, I think it might be more of similarities to concepts in Altered Carbon rather than it being a talking hat called Helm.

It would be a shame to see them go, otherwise you're down to Soldier with a bit of gas.
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: Keef Monkey 26 July, 2018, 12:25:45 PM
I guess the biochips don't have to go into his equipment. A small "rescue terminal" with three slots/ports would do, I suppose. That might even set up the question of whether their voices are real or imagined, at least in the first half of the film.

I was going to suggest the same thing, I wouldn't want to lose the biochips but I do think the idea of having them in his equipment will be a hard thing to sell in a film without it feeling a bit silly so my first thought was that he could have them with him and preserve the buddy dynamic without having them necessarily responsible for controlling any of his equipment. The idea of him carrying around the voices of his dead friends is interesting and cinematic enough I think.
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: SIP 26 July, 2018, 12:31:10 PM
I would be surprised if the fundamentals of the character change at all, Rebellion seem very protective (thank God!) of its characters.

I would expect to see a blue rogue with a talking gun, bag and helmet. I can't see any real reason why they would feel the need to change the most interesting aspect of the character/strip.
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: Frank 26 July, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
I do believe that the "electronic ghosts of his dead buddies" is absolutely integral to make a Rogue Trooper movie, rather than A. N. Other Future Soldier film.

Dropping the chips is such a stupid idea I can't believe we're even discussing it. If you* don't want to make a Rogue Trooper movie, make something else instead.


* Nobody has suggested Jones wants to drop the chips.
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: TordelBack 26 July, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
I think we're more discussing how biochips and their equipment - and indeed the G.I. setup itself - might be realised in a contemporary film, rather than suggesting they are at risk.  That I feel the need to continually emphasise their importance is just nervousness!   
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: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 01:28:07 PM
For the equipment - if you can get over the basic premise, Helm is a passive character relative to the others. See what else you can give him to do rather than just be a hat.

Sensors, decoding, hacking, decoy etc.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to separate the group out occasionally, Gunnar on sentry duty, Helm hacking a comms terminal, which is more like the convention of a heist movie, or Mission Impossible.
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: TordelBack 26 July, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
I wonder could you build that into the story itself (as GFD did on occasion) - maybe the control of the equipment is a hack or fix by Rogue that comes later on, with the guys thoroughly despondent at being dead and toted around by Rogue, but then given useful roles? A bit twee, I know, but this is Rogue Trooper after all...
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: Greg M. 26 July, 2018, 01:37:25 PM
Helm is a passive character relative to the others. See what else you can give him to do rather than just be a hat.

Given that one of Helm's most clearly-defined traits is his egotism, I agree it makes sense to give him more to do to make him feel like he's the most important chip. As it stands, he just has the best view.
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: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 01:53:51 PM
I wonder could you build that into the story itself (as GFD did on occasion) - maybe the control of the equipment is a hack or fix by Rogue that comes later on, with the guys thoroughly despondent at being dead and toted around by Rogue, but then given useful roles? A bit twee, I know, but this is Rogue Trooper after all...

Could do - there is that thought of would you really want soldiers who have been traumatically killed slotted straight into lethal equipment they can control (well in two cases at least)

That it was never designed that way or a beta feature that was disabled by Milli-Com because it was too risky makes as much sense as anything in the context of the strip.

Also plays into that theme of Bagman having a breakdown, Gunnar being trigger happy etc.
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: Frank 26 July, 2018, 03:23:08 PM
That I feel the need to continually emphasise their importance is just nervousness!

I wasn't having a go at you, buddy.

Helm as a paraplegic version of R2D2/Al from Die Hard sounds fine to me; ditto the idea of Gunnar as one of the sentry guns from the special edition of Aliens.

As to how they're presented on screen, I'd go full-on stylised and use them exactly the way the comic did, as rectangular graphics popping up in the bottom left or right of the screen whenever they have a line. I suppose you could animate their skulls to make them more expressive, like Cain in Robocop 2.


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: The Legendary Shark 26 July, 2018, 03:49:43 PM

I wonder what kind of psychological strain being trapped in a chip might have. At first, they'd expect to be re-gened and put up with it, but when it becomes apparent that this isn't going to happen they might well go a little stir crazy, dragging Rogue with them. Might make for an interesting set of character arcs.

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: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
That I feel the need to continually emphasise their importance is just nervousness!

I wasn't having a go at you, buddy.

Helm as a paraplegic version of R2D2/Al from Die Hard sounds fine to me; ditto the idea of Gunnar as one of the sentry guns from the special edition of Aliens.

As to how they're presented on screen, I'd go full-on stylised and use them exactly the way the comic did, as rectangular graphics popping up in the bottom left or right of the screen whenever they have a line. I suppose you could animate their skulls to make them more expressive, like Cain in Robocop 2.

It wouldn't be a mile away from GERTY (just with less Spacey)

If the chips are some OLED type affair, maybe even project a hologram, maps, info etc. it gives them something else to do.

Don't know about the animated faces - on the short I just went with animating the speakers and it kind of worked for that, but you might need more to go on for a feature audience.

The question is why just go for a skull rather than a face - like the Friday reboot did? And the answer seems to be skulls are slightly less goofy than a CGI face?

In the days of poop emojis/avatars a fully animated face might be a step too far - certainly an animated skull could look pretty Skeletor.
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: blackmocco 26 July, 2018, 05:23:44 PM
Surely the chips lighting up when they speak isn't the brightest idea if Rogue wants to remain concealed, particularly at night. It's going to be an interesting challenge to bring to life onscreen. There's some creative leeway to be taken here, for sure. No reason they have to be numbered 1, 2 and 3 (some coincidence out of all the dying GIs in proximity) either. And as much as the names Helm, Gunnar and Bagman are ingrained into our consciousnesses, it's also a little too on the nose for their functions. Maybe they're just nicknames Rogue gives them once he's rescued the chips.

(This is why no-one's giving me money to make movies...)
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: Mardroid 26 July, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
I guess we could interpret the lighting as a perception thing that only Rogue can see. Much like he is the only one who can hear them. A neural link of some kind, possibly via this own chip.
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: TordelBack 26 July, 2018, 05:42:33 PM
Hmm, that could work - MCU Iron Man and Jarvis/Friday (not that one) work pretty well, as did Spidey and Friday (was that Friday? Or a different AI? Anyway...),  as long as we stay clear of too many Doom-style HUD POVs.

I do prefer the idea of the voices being audible to others, permitting interaction with Souther grunts and scaring Norts.
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: The Legendary Shark 26 July, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
Doesn't need to be a single method of speaking if the chips can bluetwooth to Rogue's chip, equipment speakers and even external devices as and when required - they might even be able to hack into enemy suit speakers; an excellent way to sow confusion, fear and disinformation.
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: Frank 26 July, 2018, 06:18:10 PM
Maybe they're just nicknames Rogue gives them once he's rescued the chips.

I think that's what everyone assumed was the case*

I swear I was typing something about audiences understanding the spatial relationships between Robert Downey Jr and Paul Bettany's disembodied voice without flashing LEDs at the same time TordlelBack posted his comment.

I'd still like the chips to pop up on screen at key emotional moments, so you could see the evil grin on Gunnar's skull when he's about to waste a platoon of unarmed Norts**, but if the tone of the movie is fun & silly, how about the Inner Space model? Every time it cuts to the chips, we see the actors sitting in little cockpits, visual metaphors for their confinement, functions, and personalities.

Gunnar's cramped sniper's nest is full of sights and scopes, so we can actually see him pulling the trigger when he fires; Helm's cubicle is a mess of maps and radar screens; Bagman's entombed in a miniature Amazon warehouse. Like Blackmocco, I now understand why I have yet to helm a major motion picture.


* I know it isn't

** One of the great joys of my wee life was noticing that Steve Dillon drew the skulls with different expressions.
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: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
Surely the chips lighting up when they speak isn't the brightest idea if Rogue wants to remain concealed, particularly at night. It's going to be an interesting challenge to bring to life onscreen. There's some creative leeway to be taken here, for sure. No reason they have to be numbered 1, 2 and 3 (some coincidence out of all the dying GIs in proximity) either. And as much as the names Helm, Gunnar and Bagman are ingrained into our consciousnesses, it's also a little too on the nose for their functions. Maybe they're just nicknames Rogue gives them once he's rescued the chips.

(This is why no-one's giving me money to make movies...)

Iron Man's eyes don't need to light up, but they do.

Chips don't necessarily have to be illuminated, could be more like e-ink/kindle sort of deal.

The general public over here came up with Boaty McBoatface, so arguments about naming of chips not being realistic seem a little off.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: TordelBack 26 July, 2018, 06:30:49 PM
Gunnar's cramped sniper's nest is full of sights and scopes, so we can actually see him pulling the trigger when he fires; Helm's cubicle is a mess of maps and radar screens; Bagman's entombed in a miniature Amazon warehouse.

Fuggit, let's just go full Numskulls.  I believe some folk in these parts have experience in that particular style of adaptation...?
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Steve Green 26 July, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Well, we've seen them in digital full body 'I have no junk but I must scream' © Spacespinner 2K in that episode where they're tronning their way through a computer system.

I kind of want to see something that loopy.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Tiplodocus 26 July, 2018, 09:56:30 PM
(https://www.mdccomicshop.co.uk/2000-ad-1977-prog-0301-12153-p.asp)

This or nothing.

"Yive or Yitterbug?"

"Both!"
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: sheridan 26 July, 2018, 11:58:56 PM
Well, we've seen them in digital full body 'I have no junk but I must scream' © Spacespinner 2K in that episode where they're tronning their way through a computer system.

I kind of want to see something that loopy.

Dr Manhattan, the Bowdlerised version ;-)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: sheridan 27 July, 2018, 12:34:38 AM
Helm is a passive character relative to the others. See what else you can give him to do rather than just be a hat.

Given that one of Helm's most clearly-defined traits is his egotism, I agree it makes sense to give him more to do to make him feel like he's the most important chip. As it stands, he just has the best view.

Certainly a better view than biochip 4, in the thermal underwear slot.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Jim_Campbell 31 July, 2018, 08:42:17 AM
Duncan Jones is having a bit of a witter on Twitter about his love for Rogue Trooper (thread starts here (https://twitter.com/manmademoon/status/1024094391198052352?s=21) for those interested.

He talks about the biochips as being an integral part of the story’s USP, so it’d be quite surprising if we don’t get to see them in some form…
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: broodblik 31 July, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
For me the Biochips is as much part of Rogue as Rogue himself.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Greg M. 31 July, 2018, 09:32:37 AM
When the man's tweeting panels from Cinnabar, you know this project is in good hands.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: TordelBack 31 July, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
Yeah, that run of tweets is very heartening.  Cinnabar is precisely where you start if you're trying to make a less "Boys Comics" version of Rogue, while still retaining all the crazy elements that make the strip what it is, and War Machine is where you go to see how far you can push things before they lose that special identity. 

Incidentally, the only real problem with War Machine as a reboot for me (apart from the lack of biochips) is that by the end it's done and dusted, rather than being a setup for new stories, so that the subsequent Friday run is basically a second, inferior, reboot. But that one-shot storyline might be exactly what a film should be.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: JOE SOAP 31 July, 2018, 11:58:57 AM
But that one-shot storyline might be exactly what a film should be.

I don't think Rogue, as an idea, lends itself too well to multiple films without some modification.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Greg M. 31 July, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
I think the basic structure of War Machine is a decent one to hang a film on. It just needs dressing up with some of the wilder and weirder aspects of the regular series. War Machine is well-written and artistically-stylish, but it's slightly dull.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: TordelBack 31 July, 2018, 12:20:57 PM
So, War Machine, but with biochips, stammels, Fort Neuropa and Charybdis in the second act.  There, we're sorted.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Greg M. 31 July, 2018, 12:27:42 PM
And Bland and Brass, obviously.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: broodblik 31 July, 2018, 12:34:39 PM
The main premises must be for the hunt of the traitor not War Machine. My 2 cents worth
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Dark Jimbo 31 July, 2018, 01:55:00 PM
So, War Machine, but with biochips, stammels, Fort Neuropa and Charybdis in the second act.  There, we're sorted.

Yup.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: BPP 08 August, 2018, 02:50:48 PM
Duncan Jones has other plans

https://news.avclub.com/duncan-jones-to-make-his-tv-debut-by-directing-drama-se-1828177794 (https://news.avclub.com/duncan-jones-to-make-his-tv-debut-by-directing-drama-se-1828177794)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: wedgeski 08 August, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
Duncan Jones has other plans

https://news.avclub.com/duncan-jones-to-make-his-tv-debut-by-directing-drama-se-1828177794 (https://news.avclub.com/duncan-jones-to-make-his-tv-debut-by-directing-drama-se-1828177794)
Additional plans. RT will be in development and pre-production for quite some time, and he has to pay the bills.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: ABCwarBOT 09 August, 2018, 02:15:18 AM
There's other things from 2000AD I'd rather see turned into films but this could be interesting.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Tiplodocus 15 August, 2018, 07:07:19 PM
This is ridiculous. It's nearly a week since there was any news! I doubt this film is really getting made!
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Jim_Campbell 15 August, 2018, 07:48:05 PM
There's other things from 2000AD I'd rather see turned into films

Well, if you can scare up $50-$100M in backing and a deal with a distributor, I’m pretty sure Tharg will be happy to talk to you about any 2000AD property you’d like to see on the big screen.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: SIP 15 August, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
As a stand alone action film, the whole premise and traitor-general story arc of Rogue should work fantastically well. It's a great choice for a movie property. Strontium Dog could make for a great ongoing TV show.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: radiator 15 August, 2018, 11:31:42 PM
Said it before, but Button Man and Kingdom would be the two 2000ad properties most suited for movie adaptation in my opinion (BM as live action, Kingdom as an animation). Leviathan would also make a great premise for a TV series.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: paddykafka 16 August, 2018, 01:11:36 PM
I would love to see an animated Nemesis movie, with Benedict Cumberbatch as Nemesis and James Earl Jones as Torquemada.

"Credo!"
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2018, 01:21:32 PM
Button Man's an interesting one, because it looks like a movie on the page, but the twist would have to be radically reworked on the big screen, purely on the basis that you'd know what the evil git chatting to Harry sounds like.

When I become a billionaire, the Strontium Dog TV show will be the first thing I'll be funding though.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: The Legendary Shark 16 August, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
Sounds good. I think Derek Jacobi would be great for voicing Nemesis.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: sheridan 16 August, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Another vote for Nemesis in case there are any angel investors reading!
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Woolly 16 August, 2018, 06:24:50 PM
Button Man's an interesting one, because it looks like a movie on the page, but the twist would have to be radically reworked on the big screen, purely on the basis that you'd know what the evil git chatting to Harry sounds like.

When I become a billionaire, the Strontium Dog TV show will be the first thing I'll be funding though.

Never read it as a twist myself. There's an air of mystery surrounding the 'voice' early on for sure, but as soon as the "cold fish" line is uttered, it's clear who the voice is. And why Harry has gone there in the first place.

It's certainly a big reveal in the story, but not a twist. A movie would be better served with the above scene happening in the middle, as opposed to towards the end IMO.

But anyway, Rogue Trooper Filum! Get Charybdis in there, and then make a spin-off Tor Cyan series on Netflix!
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: M.I.K. 16 August, 2018, 07:51:31 PM
Re: Button Man film...

Voice changer. Problem solved.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: flesario 16 August, 2018, 09:30:27 PM
It's obviously very important what I think and this is what it is; tell the story to its conclusion no matter what it is, don't plan for sequals. If this does ok then it opens the door for other 2000ad properties rather than a sequal.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Woolly 16 August, 2018, 09:43:53 PM
Re: Button Man film...

Voice changer. Problem solved.

Voice is changed, but the words aren't.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: ABCwarBOT 23 September, 2018, 02:39:04 AM
Just rewatched Moon again.   Fair play that's a good film and Jones seems to be a big fan of a lot of 60s and 70s sci fi especially British so hopefully it's in good hands.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Jade Falcon 16 December, 2018, 02:22:04 PM
Sorry if this is a necrosis but I haven't read all the thread due to a low phone battery, but it would be nice to have an appearance by Rafella Blue. Also, I liked the slightly grittier Rogue shown in the Realpolitik graphic novel.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: blackmocco 11 March, 2019, 03:30:24 PM
https://screenrant.com/duncan-jones-rogue-trooper-script-blends-guardians-galaxy-raid/?fbclid=IwAR0AxS_H_wlJF7sccSrp-o4ubjevh095BvW-V73kJD0o0Tuc_GWOFsfiSHk

Not exactly the cocktail I'd envisioned myself, but interesting nonetheless...
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: DrRocka 11 March, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
Surely we don’t need any MORE comparisons with The Raid?!!
Ah, hell... it’s Duncan Jones, I’ve got total faith in him.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: IndigoPrime 11 March, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
Irritating article, frankly. The Raid didn't influence Dredd, according to basically everyone outside of lazy film hacks. And Dredd and Rogue Trooper aren't in the same universe. (Yes, I know there was that crossover between Fr1day and Dredd, but that feels a bit more dimensional shenanigans than actual "everyone's in the same continuity".)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Tiplodocus 11 March, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
Quick! Write me a 1000 word article based on this thirty word tweet!
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Mardroid 11 March, 2019, 06:31:08 PM
Surely we don’t need any MORE comparisons with The Raid?!!
Ah, hell... it’s Duncan Jones, I’ve got total faith in him.

I didn't mind the article until I read that bit. So. Annoying!

Anyway, I have mixed feelings concerning the comparison with Guardians of the Galaxy and The Raid.

On one hand I'm not sure how it would work. I really like the Guardians... films and for all the darkness of the Rogue.... strip there is some humour to be had with Rogues biochips, etc. It could work.

I haven't seen The Raid, but I understand it generally went down well. I hope it doesn't involve Rogue stuck in a big building, fighting his way through to save budget, but I guess the budget could be also shaved setting it largely in a quarry environment too...

Reservedly hopeful.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Greg M. 11 March, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
Neither of those film comparisons are ones I would necessarily welcome in connection with Rogue Trooper, but I guess the Guardians part probably means some smart-mouthed biochips. Ah, what the heck, as I've said before, the guy likes Cinnabar, right? That buys plenty of credibility - let's see what he comes up with.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: IndigoPrime 11 March, 2019, 07:05:45 PM
Also, whatever else you might think about the guy, he wrote and directed Moon, which was bloody excellent classic SF. There's no reason to think this won't be good.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: blackmocco 11 March, 2019, 07:14:48 PM
Also, whatever else you might think about the guy, he wrote and directed Moon, which was bloody excellent classic SF. There's no reason to think this won't be good.

WoW and Mute would like a word. Nonetheless, I'm rooting for him and Rogue.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: IndigoPrime 11 March, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
Perhaps I should rephrase: there's no reason to automatically assume this will be bad.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: IAMTHESYSTEM 11 March, 2019, 08:34:32 PM
He's working hard on his script and seems pleased by what he's prepared so far, so that has to be good news. Perhaps my vision of Saving Private Ryan in Space meets Full Metal Jacket is for another day! :) Sounds more Action orientated than a searing commentary on humanities aggressive nature.
 
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Frank 21 July, 2019, 06:57:19 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/1XLtrDG.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/RZu0UPc.png)


I'd love to know what was in that blue folder (https://mobile.twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/1152274815450882048). Thanks to the all-caps JOE SOAP.


: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: TordelBack 21 July, 2019, 11:06:26 AM
Nice.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Mardroid 22 July, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
The dog makes me smile. "Whatcha doin'? Whatcha doin'?"
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Frank 22 July, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
The dog makes me smile. "Whatcha doin'? Whatcha doin'?"

The competition to guess the name of Finley-Day's dog starts here. Thanks to pouting sexpot Steve Green for this:


(https://i.imgur.com/VMhbmfs.png?2)

https://ew.com/movies/2019/07/22/rogue-trooper-duncan-jones-2/


: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Batman's Superior Cousin 22 July, 2019, 08:02:18 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/1XLtrDG.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/RZu0UPc.png)


I'd love to know what was in that blue folder (https://mobile.twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/1152274815450882048). Thanks to the all-caps JOE SOAP.

No offence, but who's who?
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Frank 22 July, 2019, 08:09:14 PM
who's who?

Finley-Day on the left. Can't blame you - one of the reasons I thought that worth posting was the realisation I had no idea what one of the most significant creators in the comic's history looked like.

I mean, it's not important, and I'm sure many people would sleep better at night if they'd never seen a photograph of Alan Moore, but it's an odd consequence of Finley-Day falling out of favour just before comic creators became (very) minor celebrities in fan media.


: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Jim_Campbell 22 July, 2019, 08:27:45 PM
Finley-Day on the left.

Gibbons bottom right. He’s a very good boy. No idea who the other hooman is in this photo.
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Colin YNWA 22 July, 2019, 10:22:34 PM
Mini update via that there Faciebook

https://ew.com/movies/2019/07/22/rogue-trooper-duncan-jones-2/?fbclid=IwAR1rr9O1JUPmMoINmI9SR1PkaU0CQmUf2-OfS4nOMSn85ok72johC5YguqA (https://ew.com/movies/2019/07/22/rogue-trooper-duncan-jones-2/?fbclid=IwAR1rr9O1JUPmMoINmI9SR1PkaU0CQmUf2-OfS4nOMSn85ok72johC5YguqA)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Bolt-01 25 July, 2019, 09:37:47 AM
Link to the EW articles that was in the Thrill-mail...

https://ew.com/movies/2019/07/22/rogue-trooper-duncan-jones-2/ (https://ew.com/movies/2019/07/22/rogue-trooper-duncan-jones-2/)

(I love that the image of Rogue they use comes from the Zarjaz cover Staz Johnson drew)

(http://www.futurequake.co.uk/imagebucket/Z13/CoverZ2.13.jpg)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Steve Green 08 March, 2020, 04:41:29 PM
https://blog.manmademovies.co.uk/2020/03/08/artistically-congested-duncan-jones-begins-to-feel-some-relief/ (https://blog.manmademovies.co.uk/2020/03/08/artistically-congested-duncan-jones-begins-to-feel-some-relief/)
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Batman's Superior Cousin 20 March, 2020, 03:41:11 PM
Finley-Day on the left.

Gibbons bottom right. He’s a very good boy. No idea who the other hooman is in this photo.
who's who?

Finley-Day on the left. Can't blame you - one of the reasons I thought that worth posting was the realisation I had no idea what one of the most significant creators in the comic's history looked like.

I mean, it's not important, and I'm sure many people would sleep better at night if they'd never seen a photograph of Alan Moore, but it's an odd consequence of Finley-Day falling out of favour just before comic creators became (very) minor celebrities in fan media.


Sorry for the late reply (I’ve forgotten I posted in this thread), but thanks for the quick responses!!
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: rogue69 31 August, 2020, 10:04:15 AM
There's a new video on YouTube with Duncan Jones talking to Forbidden Planet  about working with Rebellion and Rogue Trooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIVNMF6qeHQ
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: Tiplodocus 31 August, 2020, 08:41:05 PM
I enjoyed that, thanks.

Doesn't Duncan Jones seem like a nice bloke?
: Re: New Rogue Trooper Film!!
: TordelBack 31 August, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
Doesn't Duncan Jones seem like a nice bloke?

I blame the parents myself.