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New Rogue Trooper Film!!

Started by Beeks, 15 July, 2018, 06:04:49 PM

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GrudgeJohnDeed

Quote from: Steve Green on 19 July, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
Or it's a designation, that it's a class of clone, so there's a Gunnar Class, a Bagman etc, and hundreds of each.

I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?

I also like the IDW explaination IndigoPrime brought up, of them being numbers and naming themselves after the fact, perhaps that's better just in so much that watching them make their own names is some good characterisation.

Quote from: TordelBack on 19 July, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
The element of classic Rogue that always stumped me, even as a nipper, was why GI equipment wasn't equipped with some kind of AI control as standard: Rogue's gear is so phenomenally useful with his dead buddies on board, that it seems wasteful not to build that functionality in.

I just tell myself its the military always cuttin' corners man, they figured between the cost and the fact that your dead buddies' brains could do it..

JayzusB.Christ

Quote from: TordelBack on 19 July, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.

Christ, I'm thick. Never copped either of those till now
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Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 19 July, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 July, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
013=Friday, 008=Eightball etc.

I think it would be a hard method to expand on without the GI battalion becoming a game of bingo.

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Steve Green

Quote from: GrudgeJohnDeed on 19 July, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 July, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
Or it's a designation, that it's a class of clone, so there's a Gunnar Class, a Bagman etc, and hundreds of each.

I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?

I also like the IDW explaination IndigoPrime brought up, of them being numbers and naming themselves after the fact, perhaps that's better just in so much that watching them make their own names is some good characterisation.

Quote from: TordelBack on 19 July, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
The element of classic Rogue that always stumped me, even as a nipper, was why GI equipment wasn't equipped with some kind of AI control as standard: Rogue's gear is so phenomenally useful with his dead buddies on board, that it seems wasteful not to build that functionality in.

I just tell myself its the military always cuttin' corners man, they figured between the cost and the fact that your dead buddies' brains could do it..

Maybe some sort of basic AI, like Dredd's gun that gets booted out when the chips are inserted.

Particularly now that alexa, siri etc are commonplace - doesn't make much sense that they'd not have anything at all.

Bolt-01

That's a good point- If the default chips in the kit 'are' voice activated- then each piece of kit would have to be coded to a specific GI voice pattern...

TordelBack

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"Siri, dispense micro-mines".

When I think about it now, obviously the equipment had a basic vocal-command-and-response OS - the backpack has that little arm, for example, and what use is the helmet if he's not feeding his wearer info.

JamesC

There are loads of things that don't quite make sense but it's nothing that can't be sorted out.
The chips should be able to talk out loud but it's not much good for stealth if your hat keeps shouting things and giving away your position. They should be able to communicate with Rogue via an earpiece or something - and he with them by thought control, or at least by a whisper or something (whatever works cinematically).
I'm not really sure how Gunnar helps Rogue with aiming as such but painting targets, spotting and helping with tactical decisions seems reasonable.
I'm sure the weapons could have inbuilt AI but in fiction a computer programme is never as good as instinct or a 'gut feeling' that a bio chip could have.

I thought the computer game got a lot right. Using Gunnar for sentry duty was brilliant but I always wished he had limited autonomous movement after being placed. I think a Gunnar on mobile spider legged stand would look great on film.

Lobo Baggins

Quote from: Steve Green on 19 July, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
I just imagine that they're nicknames they give themselves based on their abilities and what they drift towards.

Kind of works for Bagman and Gunnar, less so Helm - considering that they don't exactly have any experience outside of their training.

Still works with Helm  - he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...
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Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 19 July, 2018, 03:34:30 PM
he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

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TordelBack

Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 19 July, 2018, 03:34:30 PMhe's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

No shame. No shame at all.

Leigh S

Quote from: GrudgeJohnDeed on 19 July, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
I quite like that, if they have classes like that perhaps Rogue is the 'leader' class who is the most free-thinking in a squad and excels in initiative, strategy and leadership, and can still bark orders and formulate plans via the biochip after death. They'd need to come up with something for him to slot into in the case of his death though like you said, maybe some kind of military medal or medallion?


No need for Rogue to have a slot - if all four of your squad are dead, there's no one to carry them!  Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip - hence the idea of classes of GI, three specialising in their equipment slot and one "rogue" who can fit in any of the three Jack of all trades level. 

The War Machine nicknames make less sense to me than the functional names of the original - why would soldiers bred for battle be made aware of the concept of Pool or superstitions - if we say the Genies named them, then you are back to the functional names being a cruel joke by the Genies, which I think works better

Bolt-01

Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 19 July, 2018, 03:34:30 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 19 July, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
I just imagine that they're nicknames they give themselves based on their abilities and what they drift towards.

Kind of works for Bagman and Gunnar, less so Helm - considering that they don't exactly have any experience outside of their training.

Still works with Helm  - he's a Pathfinder/Scout, so he goes on a head...

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

TordelBack

Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip

Bagman could do it - "dispensng laz-scalpel, uh, me!".

As to the culturally-derived names of the War Machine GIs, given that Friday may partly get his name from a Genie ("a real Friday job", or something to that effect), the nicknames may be given by instructors, with a mnemonic component that allows them to remember the trooper's official number. OTOH, we know those troopers do have sanctioned recreational activities - Lucky has a pack of cards, for example - so why not other non-murderous activities/watching the snooker?  They are people, after all. 


GrudgeJohnDeed

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Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
No need for Rogue to have a slot - if all four of your squad are dead, there's no one to carry them!  Also, if three of your squad are dead, there's no one to cut out the fourth GIs chip - hence the idea of classes of GI, three specialising in their equipment slot and one "rogue" who can fit in any of the three Jack of all trades level.

Yeah true, but it just seems odd to me that they've all got their specialisation with regards to being posthumously inserted into hardware, and Rogue doesn't.

Steve Green

Yeah, I think basically - equipment responds to voice commands, but doesn't have autonomy, but chipped equipment does.

The game did well with Gunnar as a sentry gun, can't remember if Bagman ever used his arm to fire Gunnar or throw him to Rogue - could follow that with the idea of Gunnar getting possessive and particularly doesn't like being handled by Bagman.

From a twitter post talking about Dredd's hard-R restricting box-office it sounds like it could skew to PG-13, so the slightly crazier elements could sit better than in something like Dredd.