Day of Chaos 2: a.Covid-19 thread.

[TordelBack]

Oh dear god. What has the Curious Orange done now?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-who-funding-white-house-press-briefing-today-coronavirus-a9465401.html

How much more insane can he get before someone takes him out?

A solid election campaign play that seems fully in line with about half of what I read on social media, which blames the WHO for, if not directly engineering the virus in cooperation with a Wuhan bioweapons lab, at least deliberately spreading it globally on the orders/in the employ of either China, Big Pharma or Bill Gates. 

Straight out of the Boris 'blame the EU for us not listening to them' playbook.

Those fat fucks aren't as stupid as they look/sound/act/actually are.

[Jim_Campbell]

Something simply isn't right there, and it has to be a deliberate distortion - or a calculated omission.

Can't track it down now, but I saw a tweet yesterday from a proper reporter that funeral directors they've been speaking to are saying the 'extra' burials that are most likely COVID-related are running a 5:1 ratio between those coming in from care homes compared to hospitals.

[Old Tankie]

We live in extra care housing, approximately 100 of us, carers in and out all day. We have the virus in the building and we have had deaths but we are not sure what people have died from. There is no panic here, we are just doing our best to survive with the help of great staff.

[shaolin_monkey]

Hang in there Tankie.  Thinking of you dude.  I have two friends who work in this sector also - massively concerned for both of them, and one has also reported the virus is present.



Heading for 40,000 deaths - the world leader!  Yay, go us. 

Dr Anthony Costello,  Director of the Institute for Global Health, University College London:

"It's a public health catastrophe."

"If you have 12,000 now and add on half again for community deaths, that's 18,000, if you have the same deaths on the way down as the way up, that makes 36,000, and we haven't included care home deaths yet.  So we're heading up towards over 40,000 deaths.  That wold make us 200 times higher than Korea, and it could easily put us in 1st place for the world, although I think the US could rival us. So this is the worst public health catastrophe in the last century, and you have to ask questions about why it has happened."


Dr Allyson Pollock, Director of the Institute of Health and Society, Newcastle University:

On care homes:

"It's the final irony that the government said it was going to shield older and vulnerable people, and it is the one group we know absolutely hasn't been shielded or protected.  We know from the rest of Europe that about half of all the deaths have occurred in care homes, and its very likely we will see a similar picture here, with Scotland and UK reporting increasing deaths across care homes."


Dr Rosalyn Moran, Reader in Theoretical Neurobiology, King's College London:

"In our modelling we saw numbers around 49,000."



That's from the first 5 minutes of the COVID report 14/4/20.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY3sEIB7pJY

[shaolin_monkey]

Dr Rosalyn Moran, Reader in Theoretical Neurobiology, King's College London:

"There could be three to up to ten subsequent waves... it'll look from January to now again... potentially there could be the same number of cases again without contact trace and quarantine."

Dr Bharat Pankhania, Senior Clinical Lecturer, Exeter Medical School:

"We have made no effort to gather an army of people who are going to do contact tracing.  I see no evidence of it.  Either we are going to do it, or we are not going to do it.  At the moment it looks like the government does not want to do it."


Dear god.

[Rately]

This is just frightening, horrendous stuff.

The numbers are just terrifying, Shaolin_Monkey.

I fear that the Government are just hoping for some miracle, as the more I read about their handling of the situation, the clearer it becomes that they made an horrendous initial decision, and are now just flailing from disaster to disaster. There is no excuse. They knew it was coming, and they gambled peoples lives.

To read that they have been offered support by the EU. Private business etc. and basically told them to get stuffed, I mean, how can any of this Governments ministers continue. When you see how they have let so many of us down, surely at some stage it is a resigning matter for most, if not all of them.

Sadly, they have so little empathy and morals, I'd frankly be surprised.

[TordelBack]

Thinking of you too, Tankie, although you're clearly a tough old bastard so any concern is probably wasted. 

This is some fecking mess, and I don't think we know the half of what's coming over the next year. 

For my own little corner of the apocalypse, my old man has (mild dose (easy for me to say)) chemo session scheduled for Thursday for the first time since this kicked off, and I'm bricking it - my 77yr-old mam, who is now his sole carer 24-7, doesn't want him to go in because she's convinced he'll get C-19 and bring it home to kill the two of them (his mental state is hopeless, he gets lost every time he goes to the hospital and he's as likely to end up licking the floors as he is washing his hands and keeping his distance - and there's no way they'll let me go in with him), but having screamed at them for weeks to stay isolated, I'm now trying to explain that the situation isn't going to improve any time soon and while he might get away with postponing one session, what about the next, and the next?

I've almost convinced her that we need to be led in his by the oncologist himself, who has to have serious infection-control systems in place if he's still bringing out-patients in, but he's apparently uncontactable 'on annual leave', which I can't help thinking is admin-speak for quarantined or redeployed: what sort of doctor is on his holliers in the middle of this?

It's a good job I don't have much hair left, I'd have it pulled it out by now.

[Jim_Campbell]

To read that they have been offered support by the EU. Private business etc. and basically told them to get stuffed, I mean, how can any of this Governments ministers continue. When you see how they have let so many of us down, surely at some stage it is a resigning matter for most, if not all of them.

Have you seen the polls?

As much as I despise the term "mainstream media", it is, almost without exception, failing to hold the government to account on this, preferring to support the main government narrative with some mild criticism around the edges, as if there are occasional supply chain blips, or problems are something all governments are experiencing.

It's quite telling that the government has refused to make any minister available to Channel 4 News for eight days running.

[sheridan]

This is just frightening, horrendous stuff.

The numbers are just terrifying, Shaolin_Monkey.

I fear that the Government are just hoping for some miracle, as the more I read about their handling of the situation, the clearer it becomes that they made an horrendous initial decision, and are now just flailing from disaster to disaster. There is no excuse. They knew it was coming, and they gambled peoples lives.

To read that they have been offered support by the EU. Private business etc. and basically told them to get stuffed, I mean, how can any of this Governments ministers continue. When you see how they have let so many of us down, surely at some stage it is a resigning matter for most, if not all of them.

Sadly, they have so little empathy and morals, I'd frankly be surprised.

That's what you might think - that they wouldn't be able to get away with it, but only half the people seem to be paying attention.  Following taken from the same BBC Have Your Say thread.






Comment number175. Posted byAndreon
2 minutes ago
The "government" has moved past the "containment" stage and is entering the "cover up" stage


Comment number174. Posted byMr Mugwumpon
2 minutes ago
Boris is back, just watch how the death figures now drop with his hand on the tiller. Thank God we do not have socialism making this worse than it need be.




Comment number221. Posted byChopperon
32 minutes ago
?? what a great leader Boris is ?? showing the opposition,the eu & the world how it's done ??




Comment number41. Posted byScubadooon
1 hour ago
Strange to have a bulletin board for this story when so many other important topics and stories have been in the news these last few days. Has it been a deliberate strategy to deny a voice on such things as our German friends givong us 60 ventilators and the govt seemingly deliberately staying out of EU procurement on no less tgan 3 occasions fir PPE? #theyneedusmorethanweneedthem?

[Rately]

Jim / Sheridan,

It is a horrible failure by the media. Surely shaping up to be the greatest scandal in British history, and they meekly line up, one by one, to lob softballs at Ministers, who in most circumstances can't even answer the soft questions competently, or coherently.

When you witness Piers Morgan, who I'm no fan of, tearing apart Ministers every morning on the TV, you have to ask - Are we living in Bizarro world? When the mornings soft news and entertainment show is asking the hard questions, and harrying people for answers, while the rest of the Press are in a state of paralysis... So bloody frustrating.

[Old Tankie]

Thanks for your concern guys, stay safe everyone and don't take chances if you can help it.

[Rately]

Thanks for your concern guys, stay safe everyone and don't take chances if you can help it.

Tankie, meant to reply to you earlier. Stay safe.

[IndigoPrime]

When you witness Piers Morgan, who I'm no fan of, tearing apart Ministers every morning on the TV, you have to ask - Are we living in Bizarro world?

The thing people forget is Morgan isn't stupid. He loves to be the guy people hate — but only to a certain extent. He's a populist too. So this was a piece of highly targeted venom. It showed to me that he could be a great journalist if he so chose to be. He decides otherwise almost all of the time.

As for the Tories, the last poll I saw had them on 54%. Even if the death count is quite high, it's going to require a miracle with that kind of lead for them not to win the next GE — not least given that the Lib Dems are a busted flush and there's no-one to replace them. (Labour should be able to flip a bunch of seats in London, and a few in the south, but even now the Lib Dems remain the main alternative to the Tories in a large chunk of the south that Labour will have a hell of a time trying to win.)

[Rately]

We live in frightening times.

If Corbyn, by some miracle, had been elected, I've no doubt the media would be frothing at the mouth with vitriol if he was handling this situation even half as badly as the Tory Government is.

Have no doubt the Tories will win the next election. It terrifies me that even with this shotshow, they are almost certain to hold onto power.

[Tjm86]

A solid election campaign play that seems fully in line with about half of what I read on social media, ....

You know what p***es me off most about social media?  I keep hearing about all of these bat-s*** crazy theories and stories that people keep sharing but I never actually hear any of them.  The best I've managed is reports of Eammon Holmes not really but sort of vaguely denying that he confused people with claims that the link between 5G and Covid-19 might be useful to the government  (which is completely understandable as computers and people can both get 'viruses' so that must be what has been spreading it ...)