Dredd (2012)

[CrazyFoxMachine]

Oh well, there's still the comics eh?

Eh?

Comics, right?

Comics are good.

Happy FCBD.

[dracula1]

Yep! that's true I'm off to trawl through me 2000ad back issues
As for Jim's point on it in the last post, your correct from the viewpoint of investors looking at this from a business angle. Our Dredd movie was a victory creatively but unfortunately the Fuckups in suits that Adi is referring to are the ones that mishandled Dredd 3D from the  very beginning.

[radiator]

I was reading through some old Dredd the other night and found a one-off from around 2000 called 'The Island' by Wagner and Frazer Irving, which is a (very) loose riff on the movie 'The Beach'.

I wonder if Alex Garland is aware of it?

[dracula1]

Get the solicitor's!

[A.Cow]

It's not really the fuck ups in suits that are the problem, is it? It's the multi-million dollar loss on a piece of IP that tanked at the box office once when the movie was unfaithful to the source material, then tanked a second time when it WAS faithful to the source material. That's a no-win, right there.

Precisely the same thing happened with "Hulk"/"Incredible Hulk", so there's still hope.
(Like JD/Dredd, both movies pretty much only just broke even, taking prints & advertising into account).

There's also another avenue that nobody's mentioned yet.  It's a new frontier, but companies like Netflix and Amazon Prime are queueing up for exclusive content.  Dredd had a higher-than-normal proportion of DVD/bluray sales (normal seems to be about 10-20% cf. box office; Dredd did nearly 50%) and hit a similar demographic to the Netflix main customer base, so it seems a marriage made in heaven.

A gritty plot (requiring fewer effects) and no-3D would keep budget down.  Maybe even make it an Anderson-only spin-off, to reduce salary costs.

[Jim_Campbell]

Precisely the same thing happened with "Hulk"/"Incredible Hulk", so there's still hope.

Umm. Hulk made $245 worldwide on a budget of $137M, and Incredible Hulk made $263M on $150M. Dredd made $35M on a budget of $50M.

Also, the Hulk is a property with a far higher profile in the general public's consciousness and is part of a larger, largely very successful movie strategy from Marvel. They can stand the odd mediocre box office performance as part of that.

There is no comparison between Dredd and the Hulk movies.

Cheers

Jim

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[CrazyFoxMachine]

There is no comparison between Dredd and the Hulk movies.

Apart from that they're both underrated.




(I LOVE ANG LEE'S HULK)











(AND I'M USED TO BEING JUDGED FOR IT)



...which is another thing they have in common...

[Jim_Campbell]

Apart from that they're both underrated.

Takes all sorts, I suppose...!

As if to prove that, I think Ang Lee's Hulk is a stinking mess of a movie, but can't understand the hate for 'Incredible' which did exactly what was expected of it, and did it rather entertainingly, IMO.

Cheers

Jim

[dweezil2]

Precisely the same thing happened with "Hulk"/"Incredible Hulk", so there's still hope.

Umm. Hulk made $245 worldwide on a budget of $137M, and Incredible Hulk made $263M on $150M. Dredd made $35M on a budget of $50M.

Also, the Hulk is a property with a far higher profile in the general public's consciousness and is part of a larger, largely very successful movie strategy from Marvel. They can stand the odd mediocre box office performance as part of that.

There is no comparison between Dredd and the Hulk movies.

Cheers

Jim

Dredd made nearly $41M according to thenumbers.com, though I appreciate it's all academic probably'

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dredd#tab=summary


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[JOE SOAP]

Precisely the same thing happened with "Hulk"/"Incredible Hulk", so there's still hope.
(Like JD/Dredd, both movies pretty much only just broke even, taking prints & advertising into account).

The Incredible Hulk never lost money and was very successful, especially at the US box-office and after-sales which is what matters most to the studios because they get a far greater cut of money earned in the US than internationally.

Dredd made $41m with a production budget somewhere between $35m-45m  (The only source for the $50m production figure is boxofficemojo which no one seems to agree with).

P&A costs haven't been published but they possibly equal the amount spent to make the film (which is normal), but ignoring P&A costs -a complex issue- Dredd didn't break-even at the box-office and needed to earn about $70m-80m to manage that.

The P&A issue got more complex when it was reported that Lionsgate bore no marketing cost in the US because IMGlobal paid for it all which could mean that they, rather than Lionsgate, controlled the marketing, which also could mean that after box-office and disc sales Lionsgate made money from Dredd while IMGlobal -the financier- made none.

Dredd had a higher-than-normal proportion of DVD/bluray sales (normal seems to be about 10-20% cf. box office; Dredd did nearly 50%) and hit a similar demographic to the Netflix main customer base, so it seems a marriage made in heaven.

Might be a bit more positive than that- for what it's worth. The current figures suggest Dredd made more than 50% of its box-office in sales and is closer to 100%: in the US, disc sales exceeded US box-office while in the UK sales equaled box-office. If it's a global trend, Dredd made as much, or more, after box-office.

There's also another avenue that nobody's mentioned yet.  It's a new frontier, but companies like Netflix and Amazon Prime are queueing up for exclusive content ... Maybe even make it an Anderson-only spin-off, to reduce salary costs.

The VOD route is frequently mentioned (along with the proverbial kickstarter bollox) but an Anderson spin-off makes little sense; it's Dredd that sells and it's Dredd most people want to see, Anderson's a bonus. It's the distributor issue that seems the greatest impediment to any future prospect however remote that actually is.

[TordelBack]

..however remote that actually is.

Give that man a PhD in Caveats.

[JOE SOAP]

Never say never ... where there's a will ... just ask the Randians- Atlas Shrugged never made any money yet gets  2 sequels no one asked for.

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

DREDD will have to become a Capitalist Psychopath instead of the Futures toughest Law man if DREDD 2 is ever to be green lit.

2 sequels from a series of movies which are little more than Over class propaganda? Atlas mugged would be a better title.There is no justice in this world after all.

Oh yes if your rich there is...

[JOE SOAP]

2 sequels from a series of movies which are little more than Over class propaganda? Atlas mugged would be a better title.There is no justice in this world after all.

Oh yes if your rich there is...

Nothing to do with the rich upper class; no studio put any money into them because they're a total loss. Ironically, it seems the producers don't understand how capitalism works. There is no demand for them and no audience but we'll make them anyway because we have faith in the liberal market.

[Bubba Zebill]

There is no justice in this world after all.

There's just us.