Terminator TV series in the UK

[Peter Wolf]

    even   if it is rubbish i will still go and see it as it is better than nothing  and i still enjoy these films.      They are enjoyed more if you just accept them for what they are.

[Mardroid]

Agreed. I actually quite enjoyed Alien vs Predator, although I agree it could have been better.

It wasn't any worse than the last Alien film. Although I didn't mind that either... but there were some major plot holes.

[Mardroid]

Oh, and I've heard that Alien Vs Predator 2 is being made (in fact it might have been finished by now). In some ways I'm surprised as most people didn't like it. Then again, just the name was enough to pull plenty in to see it. They didn't know they wouldn't like it until they saw it after all, and by then they'd paid the ticket and added to the box-office etc etc. At least I think that's how it works.

Sorry about the 2 posts, I thought of this after I had done my previous post, and there doesn't appear to be an edit facility on this forum.

[dweezil2]

Alien Vs Predator was shit and pissed on the Alien franchise from a great height. It's pretty much ruined any chances of a Scott/Cameron Alien 4 movie(as stated by a recent interview by Ridley Scott) that alone should be enough to justify Paul W.S. Anderson being held accountable for crimes against humanity.

[JOE SOAP]

***Alien Vs Predator was shit and pissed on the Alien franchise from a great height. It's pretty much ruined any chances of a Scott/Cameron Alien 4 movie(as stated by a recent interview by Ridley Scott)***

...and Alien 4 didn't? Ridley Scott says a lot of things which should be taken with a grain of salt. I think Aliens is a tired worn out franchise that doesn't need any more excursions. The greatest loss to the Alien films was Vince Ward's unmade Alien 3.

[dweezil2]

Sorry I was being a cock! I meant Alien 5.

[Art]

I think Aliens is a tired worn out franchise that doesn't need any more excursions.

It could have been so different. The comics were pretty great.

Vince Ward's unmade Alien 3

That would be the Gibson script.

[dweezil2]

Alien as a franchise is no less tired than many of the other series of movies we've had to endure, infact It's still got a lot more potential in it. Also ,In my opinion, I'd rather see another original Alien movie made, than some of the frankly abysmal remakes we've had to suffer!
Agree with you on Alien 3 though.

[JOE SOAP]

***Alien as a franchise is no less tired than many of the other series of movies we've had to endure***


...so basically you're saying it's a knackered series.


***That would be the space monks one? TBH I'm not that keen***


It had more visual, story originalty and potential than the first 2 films combined.

[dweezil2]

"...so basically you're saying it's a knackered series."



Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. Think of all the current and forthcoming sequels we've had, including: Star Trek 11, Die Hard 4, Fantasic 4(which didn't deserve a sequel) Pirates of the Caribbean (which didn't deseve one sequel, let alone two, Lethal weapon 4, Predator 2, 28 wekks later, Jaws 4, Poltergiest 3, Amityville horror 4, Friday the 13th 11(or what ever it is noe, I lose count)Spiderman 3 and countng, X-Men 3, plus spin offs? and on and on and on! How many of these movies have or will say anything new?
What I'm basically saying is, that there's enough potential left in the Alien mythos to make a fitting end to the franchise. It's shocking to think that Aliens Vs Predator should be the series final say on the matter. The Alien design is a classic piece of movie making artistry and to have it used in a moronic, superficial movie like AVP is insulting in the extreme.

[JOE SOAP]

You seem to arguing for a case that because every other franchise has been milked to death that the Alien films should continue to do the same, doesn't make sense to me.


***The Alien design is a classic piece of movie making artistry and to have it used in a moronic, superficial movie like AVP is insulting in the extreme. ***


Why does there have to be any more sequels at all? Ripley killed herself in Alien 3, by that stage the films had more than run their course; any more is just continuing to milk a design because that's all the films really were, a design, not some fabulous narrative. They were always just action films wrapped around one idea, that idea was done to death.

[dweezil2]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
I've never actually seen the Alien series as action movies at all. Ok 2 and 4 were more action orientated, but 1 and 3 are more mood pieces than anything else, in my opinion. Overal I put them in the Science fiction,Horror brackett-but maybe that's just me.
I have a love for this series, so I make no excuses for wanting to see another superior film made!
You could accuse Dredd of being "done to death", seeing as it's been going for 30 yrs+ but obviouslt there's still stories to be told.

[JOE SOAP]

Dredd is a whole world away from Alien, has more moral/political/sociological/human questions and brilliant characters than most Sci-Fi; so there's endless things to explore.
I think there's far more potential depth to Dredd and his world.

Alien is just one idea, how one species survives against another and each film unfolds exactly the same way, it all ends in a cat & mouse game with the final destruction of the Alien, nothing much else happens.

They fucked up the greatest chance of doing something interesting with Alien, set in a decent story context, by not making Vince Ward's version of Alien 3. Someone should do a comic version.

The Alien 3 we got was shot without a fully fledged script and ended up a weaker version of the first film.

I'd rather see the movie money go to something new.

[Mardroid]

Has anyone seen the extended version of Alien 3, the one that's part of the Alien Quadrilogy box-set? It includes much of the extra footage which was cut out of the original release. It's not perfect, and it's definitely not a director's cut (as the director has pretty much disowned it from what I've heard) and it's rather messy... a real monster of a film to borrow a bad pun ....

* tumbleweed drifts past *

but it's an interesting release just the same. It's got a whole scene/plot twist involving the alien which was cut out and some great cinematic outside shots which, whilst not adding much to the story do a lot in setting the scene and the lives of the inmates in particular.

As for Alien being a tired franchise... it's become that definitely. I'm one of a few people who actually like even the later 'bad films' but I'll admit they could have been better. A new film, done right, could revitalise the ongoing story if not the franchise as a whole but I don't think there should be more than one or two more films to wrap things up.

I would like to see a film dealing with the alien planet as that's one thread that was left dangling since that first crashed ship was found in Alien. I'd also like to find out more concerning the race that built the ship. The so called 'space jockeys'.
I.e., who were they? What did they do? What was their connection to the xenomorphs, and how come it was possible for an Earth Computer to translate their warning message, if only in part? Have they met humanity before?

I hope it's not retconned into the AvP2 franchise that those were the predator species, because that wouldn't be true to that creatures design.

[Buttonman]

The first episode of this has been leaked out (as has 'Bionic Woman') and you have to wonder if it's a publicity stunt by the TV companies. Gets the word out there and an instant audience for the premiere. If they were agahst at the leak I doubt it would still be on Mininova as we speak.

Anyway I really enjoyed it. It wasn't too original and basically a mini Terminator movie without the cast. Great action and a real sense of danger throughout. Interesting finale too which sends the heroes from 1997 to the present day. According to the Wiki T3 didn't happen in the TV series timeline.

One to watch...in 2008!