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: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Colin YNWA 03 June, 2021, 06:47:45 AM
Sorry Richard, but someone had to...

Time for you to decide your favourite as the droids square up to the tee…

Richard Elson - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=richarde)

OR

Carlos Ezquerra - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=CARLOSE)

Remember for this tourney you have 5 votes to distribute as you please between these two artists, whole numbers only. So you can vote 5 - 0; 4 - 1; or 3 - 2; either way depending on how much more you like one artist's work over the other.

If you can’t be doing with that just name your favourite - remember bold tags, or other ways of highlighting always appreciated - and I’ll give them 3 votes and nowt to the other droid.

Three day votes, so this one ends morning of Sunday 6th June

Remember we only consider work for Tharg in these Tourneys

What the heck is all this about - well we have a thread for that (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.0)

How does this new voting work?  Look here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059536#msg1059536) and why again? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059557#msg1059557)

I don’t understand how this works, what are the rules of the Ryder Cup - yep got ya covered there too (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47534.msg1059595#msg1059595)

Anything else just ask and I’ll make something up. Most importantly have fun!
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: rogue69 03 June, 2021, 07:19:35 AM
Richard Elson 1- 4 Carlos Ezquerra
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: milstar 03 June, 2021, 07:20:11 AM
Ezquierra 3
Elson 2
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: BPP 03 June, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
Well this is going to be vicious for the points tally...

5-0 to Carlos. And I like Elson he can do great action and heft without it straying into silly 90s muscle comics. But.....
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: The Mind of Wolfie Smith 03 June, 2021, 08:34:20 AM
4-1 to carlos
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: AlexF 03 June, 2021, 08:59:14 AM
Ezquerra 4, Elson 1
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Magnetica 03 June, 2021, 09:09:33 AM
Just because it’s Carlos, does it mean he has to win every time?

Richard Elson has become one of my very favourites and he seems to be a perfect match to Dan Abnett’s scripts. He has two stories that are his alone. There are not many of Tharg’s artists who can say that.

Can the man who brought us the Stainless Steel Rat, Fiends of the Eastern Front, Al’s Baby, Cursed Earth Koburn and Spectre compete with that? (There’s possibly a couple of other strips I’ve overlooked there 😉).

Hmmmmm

Elson 2 : 3 Carlos
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Tomwe 03 June, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
Gene The Hackman is on of my favourite modern characters… but…

Richard Elson - 1

Carlos Ezquerra - 4
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: paddykafka 03 June, 2021, 09:47:42 AM
Elson North End (2) Real Ezquerra (3)
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Dog Deever 03 June, 2021, 10:30:55 AM
Ezquerra 5 Elson 0
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: broodblik 03 June, 2021, 10:53:34 AM
Goodness graces how do you choose?

But here we go: Carlos 3 Elson 2
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Sean SD 03 June, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
Ezquerra Eagles 4 - Elson City 1
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 03 June, 2021, 12:51:24 PM
Love for Ezquerra should be a given here. But Elson is one of my very favourite modern era artists. So I'm going to have to score this one as a 3-2 win for the Super Squirrel.

SBT
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: TordelBack 03 June, 2021, 01:01:18 PM
Ah well,  it had to happen to someone. It's a measure of the pure joy that Elson's art has always given me, , right from Shadows through Lawcon, Atavar, Marauder,  Kingdom and F&F that he's stealing that single point from the King, he who needs neither introduction nor justification.


Super Squirrel 4, Son of El 1.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: DrJomster 03 June, 2021, 01:09:11 PM
Soooo unfair for anyone to go up against Carlos. Elson is an amazing talent and no mistaking, but I’m afraid Carlos pips it.

Carlos 3 Ricardo 2
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: I, Cosh 03 June, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Elson 5 - 0 Ezquerra
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: judgeurko 03 June, 2021, 01:28:41 PM
Carlos Ezquerra 5 Richard Elson 0.

Elson is awful.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Colin YNWA 03 June, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
Elson is awful.

Well he's not is he.What you mean is you really don't like his work - which is fine - but he's clearly not awful as he's carved out a successful career both here and in the States and regardless of personal views on subjective art, is clearly incredibly talented.

Remember rule number 1
1. MOST IMPORTANTLY - any artist who appears in these votes is a better artist than we'll ever be and so even if you really don't like someone’s work (which is fine) keep it lovely like I know you can.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Rogue Judge 03 June, 2021, 03:06:46 PM
Carlos Ezquerra 4 : Richard Elson 1

Unfortunate draw for Elson here. Kingdom is one of my all time favorite thrills, in no small part to Elson's fantastic efforts. However, like many others, I've made my passion for Ezquerra's art known, for me he can't be beat.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: sintec 03 June, 2021, 06:03:52 PM
Horrible draw for Elson but someone had to come about against Carlos.

Carlos 4 : Elson 1
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Funt Solo 03 June, 2021, 06:47:33 PM
Carlos Ezquerra 5 Richard Elson 0.

Elson is awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/JR5NeC8.png)

Elson 5 : 0 Ezquerra

Ezquerra is awful.

There. Now we're both making equal amounts of sense.


For the terminally dim:  I don't think any of the artists are awful. I'm making a broader point.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Dog Deever 03 June, 2021, 07:31:05 PM
Ezquerra is awful.

You're dead to me, Solo.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Funt Solo 03 June, 2021, 07:43:49 PM
Ezquerra is awful.

You're dead to me, Solo.

Erm ... awful as in awfully good?
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: TordelBack 03 June, 2021, 07:55:25 PM
Ezquerra is awful.

You're dead to me, Solo.

Erm ... awful as in awfully good?

Creating a generation filled with awe.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: abelardsnazz 04 June, 2021, 10:01:56 AM
Has to be a tie on this one for me.

Carlos Ezquerra 2, Richard Elson 2.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Colin YNWA 05 June, 2021, 06:42:56 AM
Love the fact that even though there is such love for Carlos and his talent even he can't get a whitewash and some individual votes have gone Richard Elson's way. Just a day to pile on the love as I'll close this one in the morning.

As for my vote.Well yes Carlos is brilliant - he's in my top ten, but unlike many he's not my absolute fav. I also have a great deal of love for Richard Elson's muscular art and Kingdom is just a high in recent years and his art there is just astonishing and its hard to imagine anyone else coming close on that series. As such:

Richard Elson 2 : Carlos Ezquerra 3
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: I, Cosh 05 June, 2021, 11:56:38 PM
Elson 5 - 0 Ezquerra

This was a joke, by the way. I don't idolise Ezquerra the way many do but he was very good.

Ezquerra 4 - 1 Elson
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Colin YNWA 06 June, 2021, 07:03:20 AM
Voting Closed

No surprise here with a comfortable victory for Classic Team. Its worth noting the amount of love there was for Richard Elson but let's be honest there wasn't an artist around who was going to make much of an impact on Carlos.

In the overall picture that narrow win yesterday has meant all of a sudden Classic Team have close the gap that was starting to open up down and the result tomorrow morning is all the more important as we enter the final full week of competition.

Current Team 12.5 : Classic Team 11.5

Current Team 1082 : Classic Team 1159*

*still need to check these!
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: judgeurko 08 June, 2021, 04:00:04 PM
Carlos Ezquerra 5 Richard Elson 0.

Elson is awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/JR5NeC8.png)

Elson 5 : 0 Ezquerra

Ezquerra is awful.

There. Now we're both making equal amounts of sense.


For the terminally dim:  I don't think any of the artists are awful. I'm making a broader point.
No we are not. I am giving my opinion. Not sure what your broader point is, do we have to like all artists?
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: BPP 08 June, 2021, 05:49:32 PM
Carlos Ezquerra 5 Richard Elson 0.

Elson is awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/JR5NeC8.png)

Elson 5 : 0 Ezquerra

Ezquerra is awful.

There. Now we're both making equal amounts of sense.


For the terminally dim:  I don't think any of the artists are awful. I'm making a broader point.
No we are not. I am giving my opinion. Not sure what your broader point is, do we have to like all artists?

No but you can express your dislike constructively or couch it in subjectivity a tad more tactfully. But on the whole this isn’t a place to be negative. For example instead of saying ‘this cover is crap’ it would be better to say ‘it dosent work for me, I think the colours / style / figurework / perspective/ whatever isn’t great’.  People often say they don’t like stories in the prog reviews but nobody needs to call anything ‘awful’ like a clarion cry.

It’s just the vibe here. There are FB groups where people can do that negative opinions thing the internet loves to deal in.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Funt Solo 08 June, 2021, 06:05:41 PM
...do we have to like all artists?

It's political correctness gone mad.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Colin YNWA 08 June, 2021, 06:16:41 PM
No but you can express your dislike constructively or couch it in subjectivity a tad more tactfully. But on the whole this isn’t a place to be negative. For example instead of saying ‘this cover is crap’ it would be better to say ‘it dosent work for me, I think the colours / style / figurework / perspective/ whatever isn’t great’.  People often say they don’t like stories in the prog reviews but nobody needs to call anything ‘awful’ like a clarion cry.

It’s just the vibe here. There are FB groups where people can do that negative opinions thing the internet loves to deal in.

100% and entirely this. Thanks BPP.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: The Mind of Wolfie Smith 08 June, 2021, 08:44:15 PM
'nobody needs to call anything ‘awful’ like a clarion cry.' *

*except for mark millar's work, though, it seems ...
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Funt Solo 09 June, 2021, 01:53:53 AM
I think I wrote some of the worst 2000 AD stories ever.

 - Mark Millar, Megazine #323
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: judgeurko 09 June, 2021, 07:38:27 AM
Carlos Ezquerra 5 Richard Elson 0.

Elson is awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/JR5NeC8.png)

Elson 5 : 0 Ezquerra

Ezquerra is awful.

There. Now we're both making equal amounts of sense.


For the terminally dim:  I don't think any of the artists are awful. I'm making a broader point.
No we are not. I am giving my opinion. Not sure what your broader point is, do we have to like all artists?

No but you can express your dislike constructively or couch it in subjectivity a tad more tactfully. But on the whole this isn’t a place to be negative. For example instead of saying ‘this cover is crap’ it would be better to say ‘it dosent work for me, I think the colours / style / figurework / perspective/ whatever isn’t great’.  People often say they don’t like stories in the prog reviews but nobody needs to call anything ‘awful’ like a clarion cry.

It’s just the vibe here. There are FB groups where people can do that negative opinions thing the internet loves to deal in.
It wasn't a clarion call.
: Re: Richard Elson or Carlos Ezquerra - Artists Ryder Cup Current vs Classic - Tie 24
: Tjm86 09 June, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
'nobody needs to call anything ‘awful’ like a clarion cry.' *

*except for mark millar's work, though, it seems ...

Actually I think you will find that Millar's Tooth work is more of a euphemism for "so utterly crap you want to gouge out your eyes with a melon-baller and drive an ice-pick through each socket ..."

So I suppose you're right on one level.  Not needed really ...