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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13140 on: 03 June, 2017, 05:09:20 PM »
Question for the constitutional experts (on the politics thread!Ha!):

Can a party without a majority be supported to form a government by another party, without a coalition? In other words, if Labour + SNP + Lib Dem > Tory, but Labour < Tory,  could they support Labour in forming a  minority government from the opposition benches?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13141 on: 03 June, 2017, 10:56:48 PM »
I think a formal coalition is required, otherwise the single largest party without a majority can form a minority government and attempt to pass legislation on an ad-hoc basis until the majority opposition parties can get enough combined votes to force a no confidence vote against them. The question is whether, if the Tories came in a handful of seats short, the LibDems a) had enough seats to get the Tories over the 326 line and, b) they'd actually be stupid enough to that again.
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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13142 on: 03 June, 2017, 11:15:57 PM »
Be great if the LibDems got in again: five years of people telling us things could be worse, which is just what you want to hear when your mum's walked into oncoming traffic because her benefits were sanctioned.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13143 on: 03 June, 2017, 11:29:41 PM »
I believe the government is formed by whomever the Queen invites to form it. It is only tradition (and common sense) that she always asks the leader of the largest party to form her government, but technically she could ask anyone - pointless if they don't have enough votes to passs any legislation, but technically possible

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13144 on: 03 June, 2017, 11:45:55 PM »
News coming in about an "incident" on London Bridge, and follow-up police action in Borough Market.  Stay safe, London peeps.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13145 on: 03 June, 2017, 11:54:26 PM »
Stay safe, just watching the news, worrying.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13146 on: 04 June, 2017, 12:43:09 PM »
The question is whether, if the Tories came in a handful of seats short, the LibDems a) had enough seats to get the Tories over the 326 line and, b) they'd actually be stupid enough to that again.

Can't find anything more recent, but as of April 2017 the following had been reported on as views of the lib dem leader / senior lib dems (can't be bothered to post links, but the following were all in the top 10 on google for "liberal democrat coalition"):
  • the lib dems have ruled out going in to coalition
  • the lib dems have to consider going in to coalition to get in to power
  • the lib dems have ruled out going in to coalition with the Tories again
  • the lib dems would consider going in to coalition with the Tories again
  • the lib dems have ruled out going in to coalition wth Labour

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13147 on: 04 June, 2017, 01:20:37 PM »
The SNP are likely to win about 50 seats (which will be reported as a massive loss to the Tories), and whilst they wouldn't enter into a coalition with Labour, they would absolutely be in favour of  the formation of a Labour minority government.  My original query was around this idea - if the Tories were in a minority, the opposition could threaten a vote of no confidence, and call for formation of a minority Labour government.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13148 on: 04 June, 2017, 03:10:36 PM »
Problem is, unless polling's way off, the only viable majority will be Con+SNP, which isn't going to happen. My guess is the polls are optimistic from Labour's standpoint and we'll see a 50+ Con majority, with the Lib Dems basically wiped out (signally the end of them as anything other than a rounding error). In the unlikely scenario we get a minority Tory government, it wouldn't surprise me if we go through all this shit again by the end of the year.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13149 on: 04 June, 2017, 05:55:41 PM »
A whole series of general election beckon, each less informed than the last, all fought on the principle that you already had a vote on important issues and you're not getting another one.  The PM is seen less and less in each one, initial we're just led by an abstract concept -"MAY".  It has no policy other than it will never negotiate.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13150 on: 05 June, 2017, 02:08:32 PM »
Wow, Theresa May is totally f**ked.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13151 on: 05 June, 2017, 02:19:48 PM »
On what basis?

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13152 on: 05 June, 2017, 02:30:39 PM »
Over police cuts.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13153 on: 05 June, 2017, 03:10:25 PM »
Go watch BBC coverage of the election, Goaty.  That's what most of the electorate are seeing.

We're fucked.

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Re: The Political Thread
« Reply #13154 on: 05 June, 2017, 03:44:01 PM »
My birthday is on 9th June, yes I am fucked.