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Bolland! Didn't recongise him, don't think I've ever seen him draw Alpha.

I'm pumped about this to get the colour centrespreads, but might have to stick with the Carlos cover, I never get used to seeing anyone else draw him.

A bit odd to choose a non-Carlos cover for the webshop edition! Anyone know who this is?

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 17 September, 2022, 07:51:56 AM »

I think you've stuck onto an idea in the first place and are staying with it, despite evidence to the contrary - but then you're hardly unique in that. Unless, by "broadly similar", you mean that the comic is still an anthology called 2000 AD with an alien editor called Tharg, featuring Judge Dredd. Of course, the general format is something like 10-12 episode chunks, with 3rillers and one-offs filling the gaps. I hope we're not arguing that the pacing of Final Solution in Strontium Dog was something to be lauded?

As regards tone - Kingmaker was the first time we'd seen a LOTR::space opera mashup in the prog. The Order has a time-traveling band of historical figures fighting giant WWUUURRMMS - not seen that before. Hope is horror-noire - which you could argue that Chiaroscuro dipped its toe into, but ... c'mon ... this is pretty different, and breaks the mold on the standard format, coming in as a mini-series. Brink is longer format, different pacing, uses tons of dialogue in place of constant action, uses tons of callouts and real swearing. All new things. The Fall of Deadworld reinvented the idea of the Dark Judges for a modern audience.

It's a bit bizarre to call all of this treading water.

It's fine that we disagree. It's just my view, so there's no real matter of evidence here. I'm not convinced all those things are new or fresh. Horror noir is a pretty stale genre--that said, I like Hope. I also like Brink a lot. The others, yes, they feel like 2K on autopilot, and add little to the mix. I like my 2000ad wilder and weirder.

I loved Savage when it came out, as a really interesting take on the character, mashing up the 70s future with the 00s present, with some real moral ambiguity to it. But I'm not convinced it should have run 15 years.

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 16 September, 2022, 06:17:44 AM »
Yes, those lists are different, Funt, I'll give you that. But does anyone else think it all feels broadly similar? There aren't any curveballs, or things that shift the tone. Compare 82 to 87 to 92 to 97 and you'll see a prog that's evolving.

I'm with 13school in that I'm not massively nostalgic for the 80s or any particular period, I want it to feel like a product of now, and for the last little while 2000AD's voice has felt disconnected from the contemporary, going down its own little cul-de-sac.

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 16 September, 2022, 03:44:55 AM »
It's fine if you don't like 'em, I'm just not sure the argument that 2000AD isn't innovating holds up. If anything, people seem to argue that there are too many stories on the roster, which leads to longer gaps between series of a specific strip while everything else gets its turn.

That is a lack of innovation. Many of the "new" stories on that list upthread are five years old plus. The Order has been spinning on for ten years. If you pick up a prog from five or ten years ago, it feels pretty much the same as this week's.

I could be being disagreeable because I haven't really vibed with the current prog in quite a while, but I don't find the cycling of long serialised stories spun out over many years very rewarding to read. And I don't find that many of them innovative. I want 2022AD to feel fresh, different to 2012AD or 2017AD.

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 15 September, 2022, 07:49:47 AM »
It's interesting because many of the off-the-wall 'new ideas' that used to typify 2000AD's approach were just pastiches (or even lifts) of contemporary trends, films and stories. Flesh as a comment on inequality, with billionaires hunting the poor, is a great contemporary riff. A brutal superhero parody is a good one for the current moment, though it's probably well-trodden ground already. A violent satire about the royal family would kill right now.

A big zombie crossover event is about ten years too late I'm afraid :/

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 15 September, 2022, 05:03:36 AM »
Thanks for putting me right on the Smith situation. Sounds horrible, and I hope he's getting the support he needs. He's a wonderful writer, and his voice was a big part of the prog.

I still think that, the complexities of that particular case aside, out of respect for the creators (and the readers), a story should be left to rest or significantly re-tooled rather than just reassigned. We don't want the prog to feel like a holding pattern for IP, like DC does.

I'm loving the ideas flinging around this thread for a re-tooled Flesh, for example. Completely turning a strip on its head like that is a great way of keeping the prog relevant, and 'future rich hunting present-day poor' is very relevant and attention-grabbing. 21ST CENTURY FLESH: Time-travelling billionaire cannibals from a post-apocalyptic future use the present day as a hunting ground, carefully selecting victims who won't damage the timeline. How good is that?

Or if Rebellion had done something different with their contracts to give some stake back to the creators if not full ownership - but it was the Kingsleys money.  If it was mine, I'd have tried to lure back Moore with some sort of deal...

IIRC Moore has said in the past that they have offered him some kind of deal, and he responded by saying he'd only return if they upended their whole business model and returned all rights to the creators. I see where he's coming from, but I see why 2000AD will never, ever do that.

The best solution is to push forward and come up with many, many new ideas, and see what sticks.

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 14 September, 2022, 05:12:09 PM »
Absolutely not what happened.

Well, I happily withdraw that if I got the wrong end of the stick.

General / Re: To Flesh or not
« on: 14 September, 2022, 03:24:50 PM »
I mean… yes? But it’s not like 2000 AD is casually tossing people aside. Some folks do move elsewhere, to get better rates or work on jobs they’ve long dreamed about (hello, Al Ewing), but it’s not like anyone is forcing Dan Abnett or Gordon Rennie (to name but two) to write for 2000 AD against their will, and they seem to have stuck around for a while. (And long may they continue to do so.)

I think his point about creators being 'endlessly replaceable' is a good one though. John Smith being unceremoniously replaced mid-story is pretty galling. The fact that there was new Strontium Dog a couple of years after Ezquerra died is worse. I used to love the way 2000AD would (with a few exceptions) let a story lie when the creators moved on. It made it feel like the comic was led by stories, rather than a commercial need to exploit IP, which is what American comics feel like. 2000AD seems to have turned its back on that ideal in recent years.

I echo someone else further up this thread: new thrills please!

General / Re: Best Version of Necropolis?
« on: 07 September, 2022, 06:03:58 AM »
Why not the Mega Collection Necropolis volume to go with The Dead Man? 

I think it contains the same stories as the Essential volume from Rebellion

Same stories, but the Essential edition has bigger pages--as close as a complete edition gets to the original prog size.

I think about this stuff way too much.

General / Re: Best Version of Necropolis?
« on: 06 September, 2022, 06:55:08 AM »
For my money, it's these two, which tell the whole story, in (almost) the right order.

The Mega Collection version of Dead Man (from Hachette), which contains all the build up:

The Dead Man
The Shooting Match
A Letter to Judge Dredd
Tale of the Dead Man
Nightmares (a bit awkwardly placed here as it follows Necropolis)

and then the Essential Necropolis (Rebellion), which contains:

By Lethal Injection
Rights of Succession
Dear Annie

General / Re: Wagner Dredd missing from trades
« on: 31 July, 2022, 03:40:43 AM »
Thanks for the heads up on a few of those stories--I'll have to track down that Meg with the Block Judge reprint. Specific Mega Collection books are kind of hard to track down here in Oz.

Shame that the Maybe ones might stay in obscurity until the Case Files catch up to them in 10 years.

General / Wagner Dredd missing from trades
« on: 29 July, 2022, 07:13:44 AM »
Hey all, doing my once-every-five-years post here.

Having followed the PJ Maybe story for several decades, I'm surprised to see the end of it never got released in a book (like pretty much every other Wagner Dredd has been). Having dropped the prog some years ago, I'm finding these stories hard to find.

In fact there are a few gaps from around this time. From Barney:

Mega-City Confidential 5 episodes (Progs 1874 to 1878) 30 pages
Script: John Wagner, Artist: Colin MacNeil, Letters: Annie Parkhouse

Block Judge 10 episodes (Progs 1900 to 1909) 61 pages
Script: John Wagner, Artist: Carlos Ezquerra, Letters: Annie Parkhouse

Serial Serial 5 episodes (Progs 1950 to 1954) 30 pages
Script: John Wagner, Artist: Colin MacNeil, Colour: Chris Blythe, Letters: Annie Parkhouse

Terror Rising 3 episodes (Megs 365 to 367) 30 pages
Script: John Wagner, Artist: Colin MacNeil,

Ladykiller 8 episodes (Progs 1991 to 1998) 48 pages
Script: John Wagner, Artist: Carlos Ezquerra, Letters: Annie Parkhouse

Is there any reason why these might never have been reprinted? Wagner, Ezquerra, MacNeil, all good stuff. Gimme a book!

Classifieds / 2014 AD progs on eBay
« on: 27 October, 2020, 11:02:21 AM »
Hey folks,

Bit of a lurker/lapsed squaxx here -- I dip in and out of the prog these days, and haven't posted on here for ohhhh, fifteen years.

I'm clearing out some old progs on eBay, at what I think are pretty bargain prices. Starting with the entirety of 2014:


Note that I'm in Australia, so a) I'll probably only post locally, and b) I'd love to sell more but I'm not allowed out of Melbourne right now. Will get more up over the summer!

Splundig etc!
I'll have more over the summer when I'm allowed to go

Classifieds / Re: FOR SALE: 2000AD progs, March 2010 - Dec 2011.
« on: 19 December, 2011, 07:34:28 PM »
I've now listed this on eBay, starting at 60 quid:


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