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Title: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 27 August, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
The familiar thump on the doorstep propelled me out of bed.

A mean and moody cover from Paul Davidson which my first, sleep-addled glance mistook for the return of Ian Gibson. Most of the stories are in mid-flow so it's all about where they're going.

This most excellent of Dredd stories continues apace as our hero once again outwits Justice Department's finest. With all the extra little bits being brought in I've no idea how this will be wrapped up in three short episodes. As some readers already commented about previous episodes, this is the best Carlos art for years as well.

More spectacular D'Israeli art in Scarlet Traces. This seems to have turned into a whistle-stop tour of Edginton's Venus without much plot to drive it but the stops along the way are interesting.

The unexpected and very welcome return of Jaegir gives us a quick recap and sets the scene for some very different adult-child relationships to come.

Scarlet Traces continues.

I'm a bit lost about who is controlling who in Anderson but it's been a strong story so far so I hope it can end well.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 27 August, 2016, 01:01:12 PM
Denise gone and no prog in Bonnybridge :(

filippo
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Echidna on 27 August, 2016, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 20 August, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Maybe's threat has me worried about [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler]. Or... oh no! What if he's going after [spoiler]Walter[/spoiler]? :o

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 20 August, 2016, 09:26:04 PM
Or [spoiler]Mrs. Gunderson[/spoiler]. With Maybe, who knows.

Quote from: Beaker on 22 August, 2016, 09:34:09 PM
I do think PJ may be (see what I did there?) going after [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler] though.

Quote from: Trout on 24 August, 2016, 02:07:17 AM
My expectation for next week is [spoiler]the Quite Nice Bar, and that means Walter and Mrs G[/spoiler].

Quote from: dweezil2 on 24 August, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
I get the sense that [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler] could be next in Maybe's sights!

We were all [spoiler]right[/spoiler]! Yaaay!

Clever stuff - Wagner played us just like PJ played Dredd.

What's the consensus on spoiler tags round here, btw? Helpful or annoying? I seem to remember someone got pissed off because they read a spoiler in the spoiler forum when Dredd [spoiler]died[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: hippynumber1 on 27 August, 2016, 02:17:18 PM
I say if you're reading the spoiler threads before you've read the prog/meg then youdeerve everything you get.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: hippynumber1 on 27 August, 2016, 02:18:37 PM
And always proofread before posting!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Richard on 27 August, 2016, 03:16:27 PM
Poor old Dredd. I will feel sorry for him if PJ wins this one.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 August, 2016, 03:17:57 PM
Likewise. I hope his target survives, and that Wagner's comments about people behind annoyed are because a long-standing villain gets offed, finally.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Geoff on 27 August, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
Surely that straightforward diversionary tactic wouldn't be enough to fool canny old Dredd...

I think at long last PJ's gonna get Got!But we'll see.

Enjoying the other strips too, especially Scarlet Traces.

Admit to being a bit confused by Anderson and finding the art makes the people look a bit dumpy.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 August, 2016, 05:14:54 PM
Yeah Dredd is certainly cranking up the stakes in a fine Prog. PJ or Vienna seem the options now. Unless we're being feed diversionary tactics as well. Epic, edge of the seat stuff, can't wait to see how this one pans out.

Outlier ain't far behind, really enjoying this and have a feeling the human race ain't going to do to well, we'll see but its cracking stuff. As is Scarlet Traces, blinding, there should always be giant centipedes on any alien planet from the 50s, I'm pretty sure it was made a law Clement Attlee, for which we should all be grateful.

Anderson is working its way to any interesting conclusion, be fun to read this one back I suspect while Jaegir gives us a grimmy interesting set up. Lets see where this one goes shall we.

Either way appears 2000ad is going into Prog 2000 in good shape. Well done Tharg.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 27 August, 2016, 05:29:20 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/61489d36e5b4227ea5a62cada9f2993c_zps4umzfmlz.jpg)

Sorry it's late, Mr Mainwaring. I had to see a man about a dog. Red sky at night, southers take fright and all that.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: The Monarch on 27 August, 2016, 05:45:13 PM
Please tell me pj smashes the lisping twat to bits please
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: IndigoPrime on 28 August, 2016, 12:15:14 AM
The cover art reminds me of Ian Gibson.
Title: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: James Stacey on 28 August, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 August, 2016, 12:15:14 AM
The cover art reminds me of Ian Gibson.
I think it's the ankles :)
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Trent on 28 August, 2016, 01:10:02 PM
I hope PJ evades capture (as surely Dredd would execute him now given the chance) for the mostly selfish reason that Serial Serial and Ladykiller don't really have the pagecount for a new trade so a third tale would be necessary.
Then we can have a final PJ volume to complete his stories from the Mega Collection.
Otherwise loving Dredd and Anderson, looking forward to Prog 2000 and hoping for more Johnny Alpha before long.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Geoff on 28 August, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 28 August, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 August, 2016, 12:15:14 AM
The cover art reminds me of Ian Gibson.
I think it's the ankles :)

Yep the face and the bottom third of the legs!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 28 August, 2016, 03:36:37 PM
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 27 August, 2016, 01:01:12 PM
Denise gone and no prog in Bonnybridge :(

filippo

I was at a party in Bonnybridge last night.

No prog here either.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: sheridan on 28 August, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
Not aware of any previous work by Paul Davidson, so a stirling first appearance there!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: hippynumber1 on 28 August, 2016, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 August, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
Not aware of any previous work by Paul Davidson, so a stirling first appearance there!

He was the artist on the last 'Aquila' story.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: hippynumber1 on 28 August, 2016, 05:33:49 PM
And one or two of the Dredd movie sequels in the Meg.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: sheridan on 28 August, 2016, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 28 August, 2016, 05:33:49 PM
And one or two of the Dredd movie sequels in the Meg.
Thanks for the info - is it his first appearance on the cover?
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 28 August, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Absolutely cracking Prog this week.

Dredd is about as good as it gets. Just brilliant.

I am struggling to see how Dredd will wrap in the next three weeks and I would say the same about Outlier, especially as it needs to wrap up the whole thing, not just this series. For me Outlier has progressed from solid back up material to something more.

Great to see Jaegir back - this looks really interesting.

This has been a most welcome fresh take on the Anderson series.

Bring up the rear for me is Scarlet Traces. It's perfectly ok, just bettered by the others for me.

Re Paul Davidson - he has also done a couple of Dredds in the Prog (most mememorably for me was the goblin king one with Gideon Dallas) and a regular (i.e. non-movie ) Dredd in the Meg (as well as the movie sequel mentioned above.) To me he is an artist I would like to see doing more Dredds (slightly out of proportion shoulder pads notwithstanding  :lol:).



Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 28 August, 2016, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 27 August, 2016, 01:15:18 PM
What's the consensus on spoiler tags round here, btw? Helpful or annoying? I seem to remember someone got pissed off because they read a spoiler in the spoiler forum when Dredd [spoiler]died[/spoiler].
For me, I go with: if you don't want spoilers for the Prog whose number is in the title of the thread, you shouldn't open the thread. Spoilers for something in the Meg or elsewhere, cover it up.

I find it pretty irritating when it's just speculation about what's going to happen next in a current story. Partly because they're a pain to read on my phone.

I understand why people do it and it's probably decent etiquette, but it can seem a bit silly when you get spoiler tags around the identity of [spoiler]The Dead Man[/spoiler] or something.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: mejustnow on 29 August, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
Spurious prediction: I can't see Vienna actually being in her apartment. There's no way Dredd would leave her dangling like that. All those undercover judges are guarding a decoy. PJ's going to get his comeuppance by story end.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
I hope so. There's something unnecessarily crappy about Vienna being offed. Having her eke out a touch of humanity from Dredd has been an interesting development. It'd be horrible to see her go. As for PJ, he's had a good run. (And will probably find some way of slipping through the net anyway, even if Dredd hurls him into a furnace.)
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 August, 2016, 12:28:58 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2016, 12:18:26 PM
(And will probably find some way of slipping through the net anyway, even if Dredd hurls him into a furnace.)

Climactic conveyor belt fight! ©Mark Millar
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Richard on 29 August, 2016, 02:36:54 PM
I don't think we've seen Vienna since about four years ago, so I don't think we'd be missing out too much if she was killed off. The impact it would have on Dredd, on the other hand, would be well worth showing, from a story-telling point of view. It's a win-win.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Richard on 29 August, 2016, 02:39:58 PM
I've just realised that I'm never going to be able to use, read or hear the phrase "it's a win-win" without thinking of that scene from the second series of Zombo where one of the suicide junkies says to another one "okay, you try to stop him and I'll film it. It's a win-win." I want another series of Zombo, especially as the last series predicted Donald Trump would be president and now that might actually happen.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 August, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
Quote from: Richard on 29 August, 2016, 02:36:54 PM
I don't think we've seen Vienna since about four years ago, so I don't think we'd be missing out too much if she was killed off. The impact it would have on Dredd, on the other hand, would be well worth showing, from a story-telling point of view. It's a win-win.
Feels a bit fridge-y to me.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Frank on 29 August, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
.
Vienna's entire existence has been a bit fridgey.

When Wagner brought her back I really hoped it wasn't just a storytelling shortcut to give Dredd something to save every now and again and show his human side.

That's pretty much how she was used, though. We can all think of great moments she made possible, but they're all small, domestic sketches, from the era after Wagner took her off the board by confining her to quarters*.

Rico and especially Beeny offer much more interesting ways to look at ties of blood and conflicting loyalties**, but I'm still not keen on the idea of Call Me Maybe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNaR-rxAic) doing a number on Pasternak.

Her death would bring out the cloying sentimentality of her first story, which is always lurking just below the surface of Wagner's writing. Besides, without her in her apartment, where else are all the Fargo clones going to meet up for awkward Christmas dinner?



* I stopped reading just before Blood Trails - is it legitimate to interpret Vienna's resulting agoraphobia as Wagner moving to stop other writers breaking his toys, as happened with Dekker and Guthrie?

** And the beats of early Vienna stories, of Dredd being emotionally unavailable to her, seemed like they would have worked better if they'd come from DeMarco instead
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 August, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
What is the point of the Judge in drag in the first panel of Dredd?

Is it a man in drag? (I don't think so?) Why is she holding a gun only to be told that she won't be armed? Why is it important she changes her voice?

I assume she is somehow going to impersonate PJ?
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 August, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
What is the point of the Judge in drag in the first panel of Dredd?

Is it a man in drag? (I don't think so?) Why is she holding a gun only to be told that she won't be armed? Why is it important she changes her voice?

I assume she is somehow going to impersonate PJ?

Funny was thinking similar myself, that and wondering about the arse shot of PJ escaping, where he's hiding his tackle?  :o :-X
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: dweezil2 on 31 August, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
No Prog in Ashford, Kent's WHSmith after the bank holiday!

Bummer!

This is becoming a regular, unwelcome occurrence!!  :(
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 27 August, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
The familiar thump on the doorstep propelled me out of bed.

is that a euphemism? 
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 06:01:14 PM
what I meant to say before I came over all 'Mrs Slocome's pussy' was:

Prog 2000 Signing's nationwide and Scotland, the Juves in Wales and The Pit aren't going to like that...
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
New one announced in Cardiff!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 August, 2016, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 05:57:47 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 27 August, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
The familiar thump on the doorstep propelled me out of bed.

is that a euphemism?

Didn't think there were any milkmen left anymore.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Batman's Superior Cousin on 31 August, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
New one announced in Cardiff!


Any in the Newcastle-Upon-Tyne area???
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: ZenArcade on 31 August, 2016, 10:27:52 PM
We'll have to organise our own signing in Belfast. We have the wherewithal. Z
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 12:34:04 PM
wondering about the arse shot of PJ escaping, where he's hiding his tackle?

Didn't he say he'd tucked away the family jewels South of the border?

In the absence of an Allo Allo remake, let's celebrate fake foreign ácçëñtŝ mangling language to create unintentional rudeness with news that Nort street vendors offer a hot, tasty treat of particular interest to Scottish punters:

(http://i.imgur.com/Pe3ae6f.png)


GIANT BUGS(!) are balanced by a wry exchange of dialogue between Irya and the painfully sincere Shakespeare in Scarlet Traces. Nothing much else to say about an otherwise meat and two veg issue.


Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 31 August, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
New one announced in Cardiff!


Any in the Newcastle-Upon-Tyne area???

Don't be silly. Los Angeles and Shrewsbury are obvious but NoT - that'd be crazy! Looks like Edinburgh's your nearest one.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: A.Cow on 01 September, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 August, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
What is the point of the Judge in drag in the first panel of Dredd?  Is it a man in drag? (I don't think so?) Why is she holding a gun only to be told that she won't be armed? Why is it important she changes her voice?  I assume she is somehow going to impersonate PJ?

I think you've fallen for misdirection.  Presumably, this (female) Wally Squad judge is going to impersonate [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler].  (Hence why her specific role is deliberately left unclear.)
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 September, 2016, 07:53:08 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 01 September, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 August, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
What is the point of the Judge in drag in the first panel of Dredd?  Is it a man in drag? (I don't think so?) Why is she holding a gun only to be told that she won't be armed? Why is it important she changes her voice?  I assume she is somehow going to impersonate PJ?

I think you've fallen for misdirection.  Presumably, this (female) Wally Squad judge is going to impersonate [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler].  (Hence why her specific role is deliberately left unclear.)

Well, you've got to wonder how Dredd knows his neice has a potty mouth and dresses like a hooker.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 01 September, 2016, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 September, 2016, 07:53:08 AM
Quote from: A.Cow on 01 September, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 August, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
What is the point of the Judge in drag in the first panel of Dredd?  Is it a man in drag? (I don't think so?) Why is she holding a gun only to be told that she won't be armed? Why is it important she changes her voice?  I assume she is somehow going to impersonate PJ?
I think you've fallen for misdirection.  Presumably, this (female) Wally Squad judge is going to impersonate [spoiler]Vienna[/spoiler].  (Hence why her specific role is deliberately left unclear.)
Well, you've got to wonder how Dredd knows his neice has a potty mouth and dresses like a hooker.
Because Andrew Currie drew her once?
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: GordonR on 01 September, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 31 August, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 August, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
New one announced in Cardiff!


Any in the Newcastle-Upon-Tyne area???

Don't be silly. Los Angeles and Shrewsbury are obvious but NoT - that'd be crazy! Looks like Edinburgh's your nearest one.

The distribution of these signings depends on two things:

Droids who live in the area and are able and willing to do it, and availability of suitable venues.  (For example, one chain of stores wasn't very enthusiastic, hence why we're signing in Waterstones Edinburgh rather than FP Glasgow or Edinburgh...)

There's at least two good comic shops in Newcastle, but a bit of scarcity of droids resident in the north-east.  Sorry, Newcastle.

Oh, and John Wagner lives in Shrewsbury...
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Rately on 01 September, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: ZenArcade on 31 August, 2016, 10:27:52 PM
We'll have to organise our own signing in Belfast. We have the wherewithal. Z

Pub. Progs. PJ Holden ( Not Maybe.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: ZenArcade on 01 September, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Pub. Progs. PJ Holden ( Not Maybe.

Exactly, do it at end of month meet up.

Z
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Rately on 01 September, 2016, 10:17:19 AM
Quote from: ZenArcade on 01 September, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
Pub. Progs. PJ Holden ( Not Maybe.

Exactly, do it at end of month meet up.

Z

Sounds like a plan, fella!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 September, 2016, 10:24:41 AM
Remember and tell PJ!  :-X
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 September, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 12:34:04 PM
wondering about the arse shot of PJ escaping, where he's hiding his tackle?

Didn't he say he'd tucked away the family jewels South of the border?

But wasn't it the wally squads' magic specs that could see family jewels through clothing, a couple of issues ago, that were going to spot PJ's hidden talents? Confused Ersewatcher of Edinbra

Quote from: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 August, 2016, 12:34:04 PM
wondering about the arse shot of PJ escaping, where he's hiding his tackle?

Didn't he say he'd tucked away the family jewels South of the border?

In the absence of an Allo Allo remake, let's celebrate fake foreign ácçëñtŝ mangling language to create unintentional rudeness with news that Nort street vendors offer a hot, tasty treat of particular interest to Scottish punters:

(http://i.imgur.com/Pe3ae6f.png)


Indeed! I thought they were offering something completely different, Greenie Droid sneaked that one in!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 01 September, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 September, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
In the absence of an Allo Allo remake, let's celebrate fake foreign ácçëñtŝ mangling language to create unintentional rudeness with news that Nort street vendors offer a hot, tasty treat of particular interest to Scottish
Indeed! I thought they were offering something completely different, Greenie Droid sneaked that one in!
Yeah, I definitely wondered if that one was specified in the script or just a serendipitous umlaut.

"Mind ma batter ya fud!" remains one of my favourite lines from any comic I've ever read.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Frank on 01 September, 2016, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 September, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
Didn't he say he'd tucked away the family jewels South of the border?

But wasn't it the wally squads' magic specs that could see family jewels through clothing

I was trying to pull off a complicated, twisting, Simone Biles of a gag, involving Maybe's wealth being hidden in Cuidad Barranquilla, but it ended up more like a graceless Tom Daley bell flop.


Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: GordonR on 01 September, 2016, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 01 September, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 01 September, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: Frank on 31 August, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
In the absence of an Allo Allo remake, let's celebrate fake foreign ácçëñtŝ mangling language to create unintentional rudeness with news that Nort street vendors offer a hot, tasty treat of particular interest to Scottish
Indeed! I thought they were offering something completely different, Greenie Droid sneaked that one in!
Yeah, I definitely wondered if that one was specified in the script or just a serendipitous umlaut.

"Mind ma batter ya fud!" remains one of my favourite lines from any comic I've ever read.

It wasn't in the script, since that kind of ref would be inappropriate to the mood of the story.  File under just one of those coincidental things, since the Coleby droid is probably unfamiliar with the cruder points of Calhab parlance.

And  "Mind ma batter, ya fud!" remains a personal favourite line.

Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Couple of dumb questions.

Do we know which variant cover subscribers will be getting?

And

Do we know which comic shops will be selling the Fabry version?

(In my experience newsagents and Smiths near me tended to only sell one version when there have been two variants before- so trying to plan how to get hold of all 3 this time).
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Muon on 01 September, 2016, 04:23:39 PM
Okay, I just had to look up the word "Fud" in the Urban Dictionary. Now I'm wondering whether they had to edit out all the scenes involving Elmer Fudd when Bugs Bunny was broadcast in Scotland.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 01 September, 2016, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: Bogbrush on 01 September, 2016, 04:23:39 PM
Okay, I just had to look up the word "Fud" in the Urban Dictionary. Now I'm wondering whether they had to edit out all the scenes involving Elmer Fudd when Bugs Bunny was broadcast in Scotland.
Not really. However, when I worked for A Major Bank Formerly Based In Edinburgh, I tried to convince my boss that we should call our new, centralised authorisation tool the Finance User Data Store.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: dweezil2 on 01 September, 2016, 05:27:39 PM
Bloody hell!

How good is that Esquerra art!!!!!!!?  :o
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Frank on 01 September, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Bogbrush on 01 September, 2016, 04:23:39 PM
I'm wondering whether they had to edit out all the scenes involving Elmer Fudd when Bugs Bunny was broadcast in Scotland.

It's the proper name for a body part*, so it's acceptable in the same way David Attenborough can wield his penis at 9pm, but you have to stay up after bedtime if you want to hear about Jodi Foster's [spoiler]cunt[/spoiler] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ks4DLsHUc).


* A rabbit's body part (http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fud), to be precise
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: dweezil2 on 01 September, 2016, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 September, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: Bogbrush on 01 September, 2016, 04:23:39 PM
I'm wondering whether they had to edit out all the scenes involving Elmer Fudd when Bugs Bunny was broadcast in Scotland.

It's the proper name for a body part*, so it's acceptable in the same way David Attenborough can wield his penis at 9pm, but you have to stay up after bedtime if you want to hear about Jodi Foster's [spoiler]cunt[/spoiler] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ks4DLsHUc).


* A rabbit's body part (http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/fud), to be precise

Foster's film, The Beaver was a major disappointment!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Tjm86 on 01 September, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Couple of dumb questions.

Do we know which variant cover subscribers will be getting?


Not really that dumb, I'd like to know the answer to that one since there are three this time.

Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Do we know which comic shops will be selling the Fabry version?

Isn't the Fabry one a Diamond exclusive, in which case I guess it would be down to individual CS's?  I relented on the Crimbo one and picked it up from Proud Lion in Cheltenham
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Judge Nutmeg on 01 September, 2016, 08:45:07 PM
Something weird going on with PJ the other voice in his head and the lack of spelling mistakes , Mrs Gunderson has always been a chaos magnet so I see her surviving this. I think Ross the doorman is DREDD.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 September, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Couple of dumb questions.

Do we know which variant cover subscribers will be getting?


Not really that dumb, I'd like to know the answer to that one since there are three this time.

Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 02:39:07 PM
Do we know which comic shops will be selling the Fabry version?

Isn't the Fabry one a Diamond exclusive, in which case I guess it would be down to individual CS's?  I relented on the Crimbo one and picked it up from Proud Lion in Cheltenham

Yes it is a Diamond exclusive, but the thing is, I don't know what that means  :-[
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: sheridan on 02 September, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 September, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
Isn't the Fabry one a Diamond exclusive, in which case I guess it would be down to individual CS's?  I relented on the Crimbo one and picked it up from Proud Lion in Cheltenham

Yes it is a Diamond exclusive, but the thing is, I don't know what that means  :-[
It means that only comic shops that receive comics from Diamond Distribution will have them.  No idea what proportion of comic shops that works out as though.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Jacqusie on 02 September, 2016, 02:07:10 AM
Quote from: eamonn1961 on 27 August, 2016, 05:29:20 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/61489d36e5b4227ea5a62cada9f2993c_zps4umzfmlz.jpg)

Sorry it's late, Mr Mainwaring. I had to see a man about a dog. Red sky at night, southers take fright and all that.


Lovely work by Paul Davidson, I like his attention to detail, colours and textures with some great characterisation. The return of Jagier is welcome to help bolster the prog on it's run towards the big one too...
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 September, 2016, 07:36:42 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 September, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 01 September, 2016, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 September, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
Isn't the Fabry one a Diamond exclusive, in which case I guess it would be down to individual CS's?  I relented on the Crimbo one and picked it up from Proud Lion in Cheltenham

Yes it is a Diamond exclusive, but the thing is, I don't know what that means  :-[
It means that only comic shops that receive comics from Diamond Distribution will have them.  No idea what proportion of comic shops that works out as though.

There is another catch. I've ordered this from my LCS and was warned that its limited to 2000 (for obvious reasons). If therefore it gets over ordered from Diamond they will distribute using allocations. This plays into the hands of the larger comic shops who can take the risk of ordering larger numbers and therefore at least get copies to give to people who have ordered it.

Of course 2000 may well be plenty. We'll see.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 02 September, 2016, 09:25:08 AM
Thanks Colin. So I have ended up doing the "obvious" thing and pre-ordered from Forbidden Planet online.

Hopefully the subscription will give me one of the others and I can buy the remaining one in Smiths.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 02 September, 2016, 09:35:13 AM
Odd thing is their Website is saying it is due for release on 12th Oct, yet the signings are on 1st Oct.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 September, 2016, 10:20:46 AM
I'be always found Forbidden Planet dates a work of fiction at the best of times. Find it hard to believe they won't have plenty at the signines. If you do end up with 2 I'd be surprised if there aren't loads of people here prepared to take it off your hands and cover your losses. I may be one if I don't get to a signing and my LMS can't get me one!
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 02 September, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
Yes indeed. According to my maths it should be in the shops on Weds 28th Sept, so I am planning to go up to Orbital and / or FP on Shaftsesbury AV after work.

Most likely thing is I will end up with 2 copies ( 4 of Prog 2000 in total).
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 September, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 September, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
Most likely thing is I will end up with 2 copies ( 4 of Prog 2000 in total).
I will swap you for one of the five copies of Prog 500 which I still have.
Title: Re: Prog 1996 - Fatherland
Post by: Magnetica on 02 September, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
I have two of those myself  :D

(And given it features the best ever art in the Prog - IMHO - in the form of Episode 1 of Slaine the King- I'm fine with that ).