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Title: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 August, 2021, 06:27:49 AM
Last week of the Groups in Qualifying - next week with a fair wind we'll be into the play-off for the final places in the tourney proper

The Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11

Last two ties in the Epic Region today and all these stories really do define what being an Epic in the world of Johnny Alpha is all about in their own unique ways. Mind only one will qualify and one will make the Play-offs so thinking caps on...

All you need to worry about which is your favourite between:

The Final Solution - more info (https://www.denofgeek.com/books/strontium-dog-the-final-solution-review/)

Vs

The Bitch - more info (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18775099-durham-red)

Just reply in this thread naming your favourite of these two stories at the beginning of your post (or use Bold tags so I can spot it easy) and say what you like about these wonderful stories after that.

Match ends early on the morning of Saturday 28th August and the winner (I'll count up who gets the most votes basically) gets 3 points towards qualifying... huh...

... there's a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F3W5KkY37ZcH39J93nq5hR5_RhPIvaOapv7sZ0EmvUQ/edit?usp=sharing) to make following easier... if you fancy. If not, don't worry just VOTE!!!!

What on Earth is all this? (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47697.msg1064493#msg1064493)

Why (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47696.0) on Tharg's Earth head are we doing this?

Any questions, just ask as ever - and have FUN!

Oh and my 'More info' links... well I don't say how much more and they get pretty wonky at times!
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: broodblik on 25 August, 2021, 06:44:44 AM
The Bitch
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Aaron A Aardvark on 25 August, 2021, 06:52:43 AM
Bitch.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Trooper McFad on 25 August, 2021, 07:28:18 AM
The Final solution for me
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: AlexF on 25 August, 2021, 09:14:54 AM
The Final Solution. Durham Red may be a better character than Feral, but I prefer the politics and pathos of the Final Solution to the jokey tone of Bitch.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Barrington Boots on 25 August, 2021, 09:58:11 AM
Finally I can cast my vote for The Bitch. Deeply flawed story but there are some good bits in there: you can say the same for Final Solution but there's less good bits and those that are, are less good.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Timothy on 25 August, 2021, 10:00:12 AM
Final Solution for its scope.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: credo on 25 August, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
I loved Final Solution in the prog.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Southstreeter on 25 August, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
Final Solution.
Whereas Bitch was fun, and indeed introduced a major supporting character, it's ultimately inconsequential, if entertaining. FS however, like it or not (and I'm still not sure how much I do) is significant.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 August, 2021, 05:56:35 PM
Final Solution is essential.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Leigh S on 25 August, 2021, 08:54:09 PM
Well neither story is in my top ten, but at least Bitch makes sense, resolves its plot threads and generally feels like a potential new start, rather than a dead end that would waste years of John and Carlos's time unpicking to varying degrees of satisfaction. 
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 August, 2021, 09:01:44 PM
The best thing about Durham Red was the Abnett and Harrison series. The Final Solution
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 August, 2021, 08:50:16 AM
One more day and this one is getting VERY interesting - its not going the way I expected at all and I think we might have a shock (well to me) on our hand here. You, yes YOU can change that as we still have a day to vote. So if you haven't do so today and I'll count up in the morning.

Well I might think its a shock if and its still an IF The Bitch loses this one but its not necessarily one I disagree with. Both these thrills have significent issues. One is certainly too long and runs itself into the ground and runs a joke way too thin. The other, well the art is a stunning revelation and damn at least it tries to shake things up and on that basis my vote goes with - what I think might be a majority - though I've not counted up and

Final Solution
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 August, 2021, 06:36:05 AM
VOTING CLOSED

Well this might have been a dead rubber but it was still about to throw up a very interesting result. Both of these provide very significent moments in Johnny's tale but one... well introducing Durham Red is incredibly significent for the comic but in terms of the story it doesn't get more significent than the events in

Final Solution

                                        Points    Vote Difference
Portrait of a Mutant         6                  21
Max Bubba                        6                   5
Final Solution                    3                  -8
The Bitch                           0                 -18
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: broodblik on 28 August, 2021, 06:37:56 AM
Always struggled to understand the love for Final Solution.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 August, 2021, 06:47:39 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 28 August, 2021, 06:37:56 AM
Always struggled to understand the love for Final Solution.

It is a controversial story and while I'm surprised it done well against The Bitch - which I thought was much more popular than it appears here I think its fair to say against other stories it's found it level.

Mind having said that much as I love Carlos' art Simon Harrison's glorious stuff sure shock things up and made it a memorable story!
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: broodblik on 28 August, 2021, 10:31:17 AM
I actually do not rate The Bitch that highly, I just can not get over the fact that Grant killed Alpha.
Title: Re: Final Solution vs The Bitch - Bolt-01 Cup - Qualifying - Epic Game 11
Post by: Rogue Judge on 28 August, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Sorry I missed this one, I was on vacation days. Would have voted Bitch!