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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #15 on: 13 October, 2021, 01:32:01 PM »
Hasn't Constantine been bi for years (forever?)? He was certainly bi in the Spurrier run.

I have some vague notion that it was at least strongly implied in the Azzarello run (which I haven't read) and has been solidified since then.
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #16 on: 13 October, 2021, 01:52:24 PM »
Hasn't Constantine been bi for years (forever?)? He was certainly bi in the Spurrier run.

I have some vague notion that it was at least strongly implied in the Azzarello run (which I haven't read) and has been solidified since then.

Don't quote me on this but I seem to remember Constantine's bisexuality first being introduced by none other than John Smith; who wrote exactly one issue of Hellblazer in about 1992.  He wrote a very good Hellblazer too - would have loved to see him do a few more.
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #17 on: 13 October, 2021, 02:26:37 PM »
Don't quote me on this but I seem to remember Constantine's bisexuality first being introduced by none other than John Smith; who wrote exactly one issue of Hellblazer in about 1992.

#51 which, for some unfathomable reason, I've never read. And you're quite right — it features the line "Girlfriends, the odd boyfriend… they all have a nasty habit of walking out on me."

(Thinking back, I now recall that it was #50 which caused me to give up Hellblazer. I wasn't a fan of Ennis' take on the character to begin with, and #50 had a very strong undercurrent of homophobia which made up my mind to drop the book completely. I only found out some years later that John had done a fill-in for the following issue.)
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #18 on: 13 October, 2021, 02:56:02 PM »
If you were a cynical person you might think that making headlines was the motivation behind this. You might even cynically think this is just an attempt to stoke up social media  "discussion" for free publicity.

Turns out that the real Superman* agrees with that position: Making Superman bisexual is 'bandwagoning not brave'

(Newsthump also having some fun.)




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« Reply #19 on: 13 October, 2021, 04:50:39 PM »

You're Goddamn right, Mister Pops. What I was trying to say, in my own clumsy way, was that in a parallel world where orientation didn't matter in the same way that it did in ours these films would still be great regardless of the protagonists' preferences. Just rewriting them in our world would be as bad as you suggest and I wouldn't argue for such revisions to be made. In writing modern films, however, I wonder whether presenting characters with different orientations without signposting and just telling a good story in an entertaining fashion would be one way of encouraging acceptance; to make boy meets boy, girl meets girl or feral teen meets ape (??) as mundane as boy meets girl without feeling the need to sensationalise it. Person meets person, kind of thing. (Which is not to say that there is no place for films exploring the prejudices and difficulties faced by minorities, far from it - but, maybe, not every film has to present non-traditionally oriented protagonists as victims of prejudice or be constantly tub-thumping. I guess I'm arguing for subtlety, which is just as much a shock for me (as subtle as a cast iron wheelbarrow full of broken breeze blocks, I am) as it is for anyone who's read any of my posts!)

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #20 on: 14 October, 2021, 01:52:24 AM »
Again I take your point, Shark.

However, romantic stories can be enhanced, and sometimes depend on strife and prejudice. A love can be more meaningful because the society says it's wrong. Romeo and Juliet. Dante and Marakov.
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #21 on: 14 October, 2021, 08:58:55 AM »
Hasn't Constantine been bi for years (forever?)? He was certainly bi in the Spurrier run.

I have some vague notion that it was at least strongly implied in the Azzarello run (which I haven't read) and has been solidified since then.

Aye, Johnny boy even explicitly stated he had a passionate and frantic relationship with King Shark so our guy really doesn't seem too fussy what his type is.

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #22 on: 14 October, 2021, 01:42:12 PM »
 The new Captain America came out as gay 6 months ago during Pride month yet no one seemed to notice

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/18/marvel-announces-first-gay-captain-america-aaron-fischer-united-states-of-captain-america

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #23 on: 14 October, 2021, 08:37:47 PM »
Oh, the usual suspects did very much notice that there was a new Cap and he was gay. And by Usual Suspects, I mean of course the internet/ Facebook thickos who just cannot seem to grasp that:

Gay people exist and should be represented in comics.
Comics are not (just) for children.
Reading about the gay does not make you the gay.
And even if it did, so what?
The new Cap was not the old Cap.
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It's usually best to read an article before spouting ill-informed bigoted hate that relates to a headline only.
And, I dunno, dinosaurs were real.

See also the current Aquaman: The Becoming mini series, which received the same response, probably from many of the same people.

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #24 on: 14 October, 2021, 10:56:20 PM »
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #25 on: 14 October, 2021, 11:30:39 PM »
See also the current Aquaman: The Becoming mini series, which received the same response, probably from many of the same people.

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Personally, I don't care about someone's sexual orientation, and such themes should be superficial to the character. Soul and integrity are more important. If you don't have that...it's bonkers. Like when they changed Dr. Who into a woman. Who had no character at all.
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #26 on: 15 October, 2021, 12:41:48 AM »
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Don't quote me on this but I seem to remember Constantine's bisexuality first being introduced by none other than John Smith; who wrote exactly one issue of Hellblazer in about 1992.  He wrote a very good Hellblazer too - would have loved to see him do a few more.

Hellbalzer #51 - Counting To Ten - The one mostly set at a launderette. It's a VERY good issue, worth hunting down.

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #27 on: 15 October, 2021, 01:56:59 AM »
I don't care about someone's sexual orientation, and such themes should be superficial to the character. Soul and integrity are more important.

Except that actually they're intertwined.
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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #28 on: 15 October, 2021, 07:21:38 AM »
I don't care about someone's sexual orientation, and such themes should be superficial to the character. Soul and integrity are more important.

Except that actually they're intertwined.

Cool. Another quasi scientific essay.

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Re: Kiss His Cape..?
« Reply #29 on: 15 October, 2021, 10:54:10 AM »
How in gods name do you create characters sans sexuality, sensuality, and agency? That's not a character, that's a cipher.

Genuinely baffling take.
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