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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Richard - Today at 01:42:31 PMRico must be in his forties by now, but they can make other clones. Biochips exist in Dredd continuity (see The Judge Child).
It's not Dredd's fault that most of the city is in ruins; that happened because Francisco ignored his advice.
It's not Dredd's fault that most of the city is in ruins; that happened because Francisco ignored his advice.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Vector14 - Today at 01:31:25 PMYou could have a story where Dredds brain has to be transfered into Ricos body, Bennet Beeny style.
That would keep Joe going a while longer before we get back to the getting old stories again.
But maybe Rico is old too at this stage...
That would keep Joe going a while longer before we get back to the getting old stories again.
But maybe Rico is old too at this stage...
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Prog / Re: Prog 2380 - By Steed and S...
Last post by Vector14 - Today at 01:23:53 PMQuote from: Jake Lynch on 07 May, 2024, 08:35:51 PMQuote from: Vector14 on 07 May, 2024, 11:06:53 AMJake Lynch's art is fantastic on this so still plenty to enjoy.This Earthlet seems to possess great insight - I for one would certainly like to hear more from him... *cough*
Yes, I've always thought I possess great insight. Amazing it's taken this long for it to be acknowledged.
Anyway keep up the good Jake. Anything with Midnight in it looks great.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Leigh S - Today at 12:52:32 PMQuote from: IndigoPrime on Today at 11:13:49 AMAs for status quo shifts, I'm still of the opinion that Chaos Day shouldn't have happened – at least to that extent. Or at least without Wagner having plans regarding what to do next, rather than destroying the city and wryly going "get out of that then". It wasn't ultimately consequential, and only rarely addressed.
Which is really not Wagner's fault (unless he didnt mention what the outcome of Chas Day was going to be, and evven then, thats kind of editorials for not being curious!). Wagner presented the writers with a whole new potentially interesting set up (two if you count the end of Origins) and instead we get Millar-Bear and N-AI-Mand Bog Paper Nostalgia.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by IndigoPrime - Today at 11:13:49 AMBut the fact Dredd hasn't had a reboot is a differentiator in and of itself. And there have been pseudo reboots, such as the various attempts by other publishers, the movie version, 2099, etc. I'm not sure binning continuity and starting afresh would benefit Dredd in any meaningful way for what is still ultimately a niche character. It'd surely just piss off those who are invested.
As for status quo shifts, I'm still of the opinion that Chaos Day shouldn't have happened – at least to that extent. Or at least without Wagner having plans regarding what to do next, rather than destroying the city and wryly going "get out of that then". It wasn't ultimately consequential, and only rarely addressed. It had less impact than the Apocalypse War (which was followed by some superb stories). But perhaps issues of consequence are all but impossible when you don't have one vision for the strip and instead have several somewhat competing ones. Thinking about it, there's not really anything else like that in 2000 AD now, bar perhaps Rogue Trooper. And that's not something that ever moves along. Things happen. Then you get another story. There's no overriding arc or plan.
As for status quo shifts, I'm still of the opinion that Chaos Day shouldn't have happened – at least to that extent. Or at least without Wagner having plans regarding what to do next, rather than destroying the city and wryly going "get out of that then". It wasn't ultimately consequential, and only rarely addressed. It had less impact than the Apocalypse War (which was followed by some superb stories). But perhaps issues of consequence are all but impossible when you don't have one vision for the strip and instead have several somewhat competing ones. Thinking about it, there's not really anything else like that in 2000 AD now, bar perhaps Rogue Trooper. And that's not something that ever moves along. Things happen. Then you get another story. There's no overriding arc or plan.
Quotehow does Dredd now get back homeMy guess is he'll just be back in MC-1 and that won't be addressed. After all, the next strip isn't by Williams. But we'll see soon enough.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by norton canes - Today at 11:07:55 AMI can see them maybe killing Dredd off for the 50th (it would certainly be a suitable epic selling point) and replacing him with a(nother) clone, who to all intents and purposes would continue to be Dredd (but would have to learn the ropes all over again).
Very much so, great spot. And do we actually know where the protagonist in Duel is going? It's enough for the movie that he's just 'on a journey' but I think 'R&TWT&C' needed a little more context, especially given the prologue. Did it benefit from not having a simple panel at the start saying something like 'En route to a routine check on MC1's northern border facilities, Dredd's flight hits trouble..'? I love a dislocated narrative as much as the next cit but if that's what Rend and Tear... (sorry, I'm done with the acronym) was aiming for then the prologue at the Academy was a bit incongruous. Perhaps the Williams droid was asked to add that because starting the story proper in a 'jumping on' prog would have presented new readers with a leap to far? It also struck me that perhaps Tharg managed to secure the services of R. M. Guéra at short notice, and Rob Williams had to cook up a story post-haste?
And how does Dredd now get back home? All will become clear, I'm sure.
Oh and everything else this week was brilliant.
Quote from: nxylas on 08 May, 2024, 05:17:48 PMThe Dredd story reminded me a little of the Steven Spielberg movie Duel - a thrilling chase with, as I recall (it's a long time since I've seen it), a somewhat anticlimactic ending
Very much so, great spot. And do we actually know where the protagonist in Duel is going? It's enough for the movie that he's just 'on a journey' but I think 'R&TWT&C' needed a little more context, especially given the prologue. Did it benefit from not having a simple panel at the start saying something like 'En route to a routine check on MC1's northern border facilities, Dredd's flight hits trouble..'? I love a dislocated narrative as much as the next cit but if that's what Rend and Tear... (sorry, I'm done with the acronym) was aiming for then the prologue at the Academy was a bit incongruous. Perhaps the Williams droid was asked to add that because starting the story proper in a 'jumping on' prog would have presented new readers with a leap to far? It also struck me that perhaps Tharg managed to secure the services of R. M. Guéra at short notice, and Rob Williams had to cook up a story post-haste?
And how does Dredd now get back home? All will become clear, I'm sure.
Oh and everything else this week was brilliant.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by nxylas - Today at 10:29:08 AMQuote from: IndigoPrime on Today at 08:55:16 AMUnless 2000 AD itself is ending (and the Meg too), there's no way in hell the comic kills off its key IP.They can always reboot. They killed off Superman, and James Bond. Dredd is the outlier in not having had a continuity reset in nearly 50 years.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by Barrington Boots - Today at 10:03:06 AMQuote from: Richard on 08 May, 2024, 09:44:42 PMI don't want to read another storyline about Dredd having a difficult relationship with another chief judge, we had that already with McGruder and Hershey.
Definitely this.
Dredd's plot armour is, imo, indisputable. That's fine - you could say the same about Batman. I think the issue is partly that 2000ad has tried to be more 'consequences-matter' in its storytelling instead of endlessly recycling Mean Machine and so on (see Judge Death for an example where this does happen, and not for the better). But its very difficult to do that when you have a character like Dredd who really encapsulates the comic to the wider world.
The other half of the issue I suspect is that the bulk of us here on the forum are older readers, so very invested, and we've kind of seen it all before - so we're anxious for tales that do shift the status quo, but realistically that won't happen to any major degree: chief judges may change, supporting characters will die, but things won't really move along. Chaos Day was the best chance for that. It's the same reason Dredd aged up to a certain point and then stopped.
It must be really difficult, as a writer, to balance stuff like this.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2381: A grizzly fate
Last post by IndigoPrime - Today at 09:55:51 AMI mean, as an Elseworlds in the Meg, maybe. But if Dredd is killed off in 2000 AD, why would you continue the strip? And at that point, you've lost the anchor for your comic. That doesn't tend to benefit anthology comics, on the whole. (Even The Phoenix suffers from this – my kid is not thrilled when there's no Bunny vs Monkey, even though that comic doesn't have a defined 'main' strip.)
So a what-if could work. But even then, what's it going to tell us? That MC1 would be screwed without Dredd, even though he's ultimately largely responsible for the city being in bits? You couldn't really get away with 'oh, and things are better now', or that erodes the entire history of a 45+ year strip. Beyond the shock and a bit of news, I just can't see the value in this. And 2000 AD – on the whole – has been against resurrections*, and so would be unlikely to do a Marvel/DC and a month later go 'Dredd got better now'.
* And, yes, I know Dredd got shot through the head, etc. But it's not like the comic has properly killed Dredd off entirely and then later on said 'he's fine'. The few times the comic has done that with major or even supporting characters, it's not exactly gone down well.
So a what-if could work. But even then, what's it going to tell us? That MC1 would be screwed without Dredd, even though he's ultimately largely responsible for the city being in bits? You couldn't really get away with 'oh, and things are better now', or that erodes the entire history of a 45+ year strip. Beyond the shock and a bit of news, I just can't see the value in this. And 2000 AD – on the whole – has been against resurrections*, and so would be unlikely to do a Marvel/DC and a month later go 'Dredd got better now'.
* And, yes, I know Dredd got shot through the head, etc. But it's not like the comic has properly killed Dredd off entirely and then later on said 'he's fine'. The few times the comic has done that with major or even supporting characters, it's not exactly gone down well.
#10
Off Topic / Re: Life is riddled with a pro...
Last post by Barrington Boots - Today at 09:43:17 AMLuckily I have no quality clobber! Only piles of old Bolt Thrower and Entombed tshirts. Oh no wait, those are quality.
My initial glue trap seems to have winnowed out all the stupid months, as I replaced it with a fresh one and the moth survivors are carefully avoiding it.
Funny you should mention this - my wife suggested oil of cloves when this first flared up and she of course had some in the house. I didn't know how much oil of cloves to put on, but I was feeling pretty sore so I rubbed quite a decent amount into my gum. Turned out not only does it taste vile, but in large amounts can cause ulcers like you've never seen. My gum split like overripe fruit and I had a new level of pain to worry about for a few days.
My initial glue trap seems to have winnowed out all the stupid months, as I replaced it with a fresh one and the moth survivors are carefully avoiding it.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 08 May, 2024, 05:12:08 PMI always have a bottle of oil-of-cloves on hand whenever I feel a twinge coming on.
Funny you should mention this - my wife suggested oil of cloves when this first flared up and she of course had some in the house. I didn't know how much oil of cloves to put on, but I was feeling pretty sore so I rubbed quite a decent amount into my gum. Turned out not only does it taste vile, but in large amounts can cause ulcers like you've never seen. My gum split like overripe fruit and I had a new level of pain to worry about for a few days.